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22 Dec 2016 23:12:08
Hi guys. This apparent Zaha link is everywhere I look, and I've noticed some of the eds don't rate him, nor think we have any interest.
Although it does seem a strange rumour, I do rate him as a player, I think he has 3 goals and 6 assists in a struggling palace side. That's not bad at all.
Can he press and defend for the team? I think he can, he's a good prem winger with the potential to be a very good one.
Opinion?

Mag_ic786

1.) 23 Dec 2016 00:26:47
We could do better. But there really is no need for him.


2.) 23 Dec 2016 00:34:05
Ojo will be twice the player. No need to waste money on him.


3.) 23 Dec 2016 00:44:48
He's good but not great - we should be keeping what we have and giving Ojo a real shot.

We already have 5 established forwards, Ojo and also have Wilson coming through too so the only reason we should even consider paying up for another forward is if someone like aubemeyang comes up that will actually improve the first team, but that would mean selling someone like Sturridge.


4.) 23 Dec 2016 05:37:30
zaha? poor deluded pardew thought the guy was worth £60m and look at what has just happened to him, zaha is a player who does something half decent once every 30 games, ojo, Wilson and woodburn are far more deserving of a chance than he is, he had his chance at utd and blew it imo, stay well clear.


5.) 23 Dec 2016 08:03:43
Not a big fan of Zaha but how is Woodburn a better player than Zaha. Lol for god sake Woodburn is a kid. Zags plays for the first team.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? That is no reflection of quality. Coutinho couldn't get in a very poor Inter team when Zaha was a first choice player, does that mean Zaha is a better player than him too? Judge players on their own merits, not on silly notions like that. I would choose Woodburn over Zaha every single time, because he offers more quality on and off the ball. He is not as quick and strong, but he is not a headless chicken fond of putting a ball in row Z like Zaha.}


6.) 23 Dec 2016 08:31:35
No complaints there Ed01. Academy over any other player.


7.) 23 Dec 2016 09:32:53
Zaha reminds me a bit of Djibbrl Cisse - he's got the speed and the ability just lacks a calm edge to his game.


8.) 23 Dec 2016 11:24:23
The only player who reminds me of Cisse is Joey Barton.


9.) 28 Dec 2016 01:21:36
Woodburn is already good enough for the first team.

He is also hopefully going to improve for the next 10 years when players are reportedly at there peak.

What a prospect, and I'm sure he's at the right club to let him develop.

Klopp said he'd leave him alone until Woodburns quality (not age) and form make it impossible to ignore him.

Sound judgement.


 

 

 

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22 Jan 2017 16:44:58
Many posters and the eds hurled abuse at the so called fickle Liverpool fans who said we need to buy, they were refuted and told you don't buy a player to replace one leaving for 5-6 games (mane) .
At the time I agreed but these last 3 weeks has swayed me. If you are real or Barcelona then no you don't as u already have world class back up. and once the said player returns you would have an extra player not really needed.
However at a club like Liverpool, a top 6 team trying to break into the top we could and should of bought, and even when mane returns the bought player would be needed in and around the squad.
Having said that I'm pretty sure klopp won't not buy in January just for the sake of not buying in Jan and being different. So perhaps he just couldn't find the right signing yet.

From the position we were in Dec. this has been the mother of all h ups. Nothing short of a 10 game winning run can put the title challenge back on track.
And I don't care if I sound fickle or am seen as a moaner or glass half empty. that's your opinion just as the above is mine. I'm a realist, simple as that.
We have the squad manager and money to build on our pre Christmas position but have failed thus far. And that is very disappointing to see, and we've seen it year in year out. We saw it with Benitez, with Rodgers and again this year so far.

Supporters of the bigger teams will understand what I'm saying. If you support Everton you'll think we should be happy to have a chance of top 4.

Mag_ic786

1.) 22 Jan 2017 17:50:10
I have gone through the same turnaround as you.

I thought Klopp had enough faith in our youngsters to be able to do a like for like with OJo or Woodbury when Mane was out. Unfortunately, it would appear that Klopp thinks they're not ready.

That being the case, I would've championed for buying in order to avoid the sort of blip we have had.

It may be that we can recover and still be in the mix come May, in which case no harm done. Or it may be another 'if only' which would be heartbreaking to take again.


2.) 22 Jan 2017 18:08:21
i agree with you, Klopp has had all season to sort this out and he has not, no matter what he thinks will work it has not, to get beat by a team who is struggling we let them have 3 shot on target and thy score with those 3, if they would have had more on target they would have scored more, all season we knew we would need to replace Mane, and if he was not going to buy then instead of losing lallanas energy in midfield he loses it by putting him out wide, why could he not have had one of the young players come in and do the job, might not have been as good as Mane but we would not have lost lallanas energy in midfield, plus the experience the younger player would have got would have been very good for him,

the real worry though is our defence, to let any team score with every one of their shots on target is so wrong and has to be stopped, other wise we will nothing, at the start of the season every one was saying we had a good chance of winning the prem because we had no european games, but to tell the truth our team looks in bad shape they look shattered and that is because klopp was moaning at how many games we had to play in a week, what he does not realise is that other teams also had to play but their managers never moaned which seems to have gotten to our players who look so tired, if we are going to keep in the top 4 we need to use our youngsters other teams are doing it, also fot anyone that disagrees with me tell me who is going backwards and who are going forward


3.) 22 Jan 2017 18:08:25
I'd like to think Man U will get a point v Chelsea. We will beat them and so will Arsenal and then it's back on.
The problem is we'll beat Chelsea then lose against lesser opposition


4.) 22 Jan 2017 18:24:33
Blaming klopp isn't right in my opinion. He's come to a team with one top player, by top I mean would make it into the team of the big 3-4 in any of europes bigger league

He inherits a injury prone striker, a retired captain in gerrard and a sloppy hopeless defence. The rest of the squad were average, or had at least been playing at an average level for the past season.

He's on course for target 1 which is to get us back in champions league. one step at a time.
My earlier post is just expressing my annoyance at once again wondering what could have been.

{Ed002's Note - Another few years in transition with all the funds he needs and I am sure Liverpool will get back in the Champions League. You have no grasp of the clear target the club has.}


5.) 22 Jan 2017 18:52:28
magic786,

do you not agree we are not winning and dropping points once we go in front, are you sure we can hold onto a lead of 1-0 im not, and that is the worry, other teams around us are not dropping 2 points as they can hold onto a lead, they are not going backwards but forwards and above us they are winning games when they are not playing well because they can defend were as we cant, so while klopp has been here he has not improved all of the team, other managers have got onto how we play and how to hold out against us look at the swansea result, we are dropping points and position in the prem so i would not say we our on course for our target of the champions league because of all those points we have dropped from winning positions just because the other team we are playing runs at us and we lose our bottle, its happened for years


6.) 22 Jan 2017 22:12:50
I agree mbrock.
It's annoying but it's a work in progress, klopp has improved us that can't be denied. But our squad depth has been highlighted with the injuries and players leaving.
We have a soft centre and cave in too quick. Keeper defence and midfield is missing something. We have a leader in firminho up front he fights and shows the rest how it should be done. we need a similar personality in the defensive side of our game.


 

 

29 Dec 2016 21:42:43
I find it strange posters on here keep pointing out we have 5 attackers already plus youth so don't need anyone else. If klopp ends up signing another attacker then it's cause he needs another one and he know better than us.
all it takes is one injury and one to be off form and your bang in trouble.

Utd have depay mata ibrahimovic rooney young mkhitaryan and then rashford martial and lingaard on the bench who all have international caps and senior squad members.
Man City have sterling nolito aguero navas debruyne sane silva and iheanacho.
Chelsea have Moses oscar vanginkel batshuayi costa hazard Pedro and willian.
Arsenal ozil Ramsey giroud oxlade Sanchez wallcot welbeck and a few more.

These are our main rivals at the top of the table and their attackers comfortably outnumber ours.

Mag_ic786

1.) 29 Dec 2016 21:59:50
Thank the lord someone else can see it. We are really short compared to rest of top teams excluding Spurs.

Mane goes then sturridge gets injured and coutinho return get put back again. What do we do then?

{Ed001's Note - funny how you conveniently skate over the fact that a large number of those players listed are inexperienced youngsters who are being given chances, such as Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Iheanacho and Batshuayi. They may have international caps, but so does Harry Wilson, so how does that matter?}


2.) 29 Dec 2016 22:08:09
Magic, I think you'll find Chelsea have sold Oscar and Moses plays right back. Van Ginkel is very much on the same sort of level as Ojo or Ejaria anyway. So if you want to say we only have Coutinho, Firmino, Mane, Origi and Sturridge; realistically the only players you can count at Chelsea are Hazard, Costa, Pedro, Willian and Batshuayi.

Have you considered a) that we don't have any European football and don't need a squad as large as City, United or Arsenal? And b) that having a smaller squad improves team harmony/ spirit, and makes it easier to keep everyone happy and in form?

In case you missed it, we are above all the teams who have more attackers than we do. Arsenal may have a lot but they have a lot of poor players. Walcott, Welbeck and Chambo are just sprinters, Özil is the laziest player I've ever seen, Ramsey is a cripple who rarely gets into any sort of run, and their most under rated striker (Giroud) never plays because Wenger wants Sanchez up front. Arsenal are fortunate that Bellerin and Sanchez are so good going forward that it offsets how average the rest of their options are. If either of those two is missing they look like a skeleton team. My point here is that simply having numbers is not the answer. Quality over quantity. Or perhaps you want another Pongolle/ Babel/ El Zhar/ Assaidi/ Aspas etc?

Coutinho is back soon, Sturridge and Origi look good and Firmino is still good on the pitch! So if Mane is off for 3 games, I think we can get past it. If Ojo, Ejaria, Woodburn or Wilson have to cover as subs, I'll live with that!

Where I do agree with you is that if Klopp thinks he needs some more options, then I will fully support him in that decision. Personally though, I don't think we are exactly lacking firepower. Coutinho went out and Origi scored 5 in 5. Origi hit a bad patch in the last 3 games, and Sturridge comes off the bench to be heavily involved in goals against Everton and Stoke. Firmino is just Firmino and Mane will pick up where he left off in February. Don't panic buddy!

{Ed001's Note - Ozil lazy? Nonsense, he covers more ground than almost every other player in the Prem. He is not lazy, he just is not there to track back, that is not his role in the side.}


3.) 29 Dec 2016 22:51:50
UTD, Chelsea, City and Arsenal have enormous wealth to afford a Titanic full of players. We don't have enough with us. A wide player might come but not in January I guess.


4.) 29 Dec 2016 22:35:21
Apart from our boys ed lad 😉

But to be fair martial and bats are worth 70 odd million. If we signed a good young player and played him then for me its just a young player doesn't have to actually come from our youth academy, even though its nice.


5.) 29 Dec 2016 23:00:26
I think he just frustrates me Ed because there are times in games where he could make things difficult for the opposition and he simply chooses not to. I know it is not his job per se, but when you watch a player like Lallana or Firmino week in week out who are so selfless, then see Ozil not making the same selfless defensive efforts it just pales in comparison. Lazy is probably the wrong word. He does move a lot which is why he at times links play so well. It is just his absolute refusal to put in a tackle when the chance is there which frustrates many of my Arsenal supporting pals. Perhaps a lack of aggression is a better way of describing it?

I also think his creativity is massively exaggerated. He is branded as the king of assists, yet he can't even touch Milner or Henderson in this respect over the last 12 months. He just comes across as a luxury player at times who only shows up when the game is going well. If the going gets tough he shrinks away. I will admit though that I only watch Arsenal when they play us, or when they are on in the background in a pub. So perhaps I just haven't watched him closely enough to fully appreciate him.

I still don't think Arsenal's attack is anything like as good as it is cracked up to be. I think in Sanchez they have the best forward in the league and in Bellerin they have arguably the best attacking right back in Europe. These two guys make most of the decisive runs that actually carve teams open. Without them, Arsenal are pretty average offensively. They tend to get away with it though because they have a very solid defence, excellent options in the deeper midfield positions, and still in my opinion the best keeper in the league.

{Ed001's Note - Ozil is the most creative player in the Prem, it is not his fault he was creating chances for Giroud to miss.}


6.) 29 Dec 2016 23:06:26
Supermane

We signed a young keeper and is now struggling bad. Not all young ones go on to become Coutinho.


7.) 29 Dec 2016 23:10:12
I'll have to humbly disagree there Ed001! I think Ozil is very creative when his team are on top and the opposition are all over the place. However if he is faced with any sort of challenge, everything I have seen of him suggests he whys away from the test and just fails to deliver. I wouldn't have him anywhere near any Liverpool team in my lifetime. I think he is occasionally world class and consistently disappointing!

{Ed001's Note - I never said I would sign him for us, that would be pointless as he would not fit, but that does not stop him from being a top class player. He never failed to deliver when Germany won the World Cup, which is the biggest test of all. So I will have to agree to disagree. He is not a blood and thunder player, but that does not stop him being brilliant.}


8.) 29 Dec 2016 23:25:07
MK, I agree with your post overall BUT to say that Ozil is lazy is way off mark. He is to me, the one player of a certain group (he, Iniesta, Firmino, Modric, Kroos etc) that make football look easy. He is simply too talented for his own good.

As for creativity, he is world class and I know he doesn`t do a job defensively nor track back as he can be bullied off the ball at times BUT he is one of the players that I would want in my team any day of the week and twice on Sundays.


9.) 29 Dec 2016 23:26:52
For me De bruyne is the most creative with assists and goals scored.
The complete player for me.


10.) 30 Dec 2016 00:14:34
The reason why I include batshuiye and martial is cause if any club pays that sort of money for a player. he could be 12 yrs old for all I care, he's been signed for the first team and should be counted as such.
rashford and lingaard are miles ahead of the Liverpool youngsters in terms of first team and international games and are squad players. not youth players.
We had a bench of youth for 3-4 games, none got anywhere near the pitch in the premier league cause they are not ready. If rashford/ lingaard were on our bench they'd be thrown straight on.

We have 5 first teamers and a bunch of kids, we are not strong enough, had we had that extra 2 players to help cover our losses we would have more points.

This is exactly what happened on this forum when klopp was signing midfielders in the summer, everyone was moaning, but turns out klopp was right then too.
And finally just cause all those other teams have money to burn, it don't mean we can't have an equal squad size, all it means is we can't spend as much on each player. and as klopp has proven with matip klavan milner (left back) . it's not all about who spends the most. If your still in doubt, just ask Leicester.


11.) 30 Dec 2016 00:33:44
Oh and to say ozil is lazy. is just taking the mick, he is a top class player and would make any team including Barcelona and Madrid.
It's so easy to say xy and z are rubbish or just speed merchants, but whether we rate a player or not is not what we are debating here. Those players we call rubbish are first team players or at the least squad players, the managers for their respective teams deem them good enough.


12.) 30 Dec 2016 01:03:22
MK love your posts more than most on here ( great to hear your little one and Mrs are home) but early in this thread you say Arsenals defence is solid, only 2 less goals conceded than us.
There are only 3 teams with a markedly better defences than ours Chelsea, Spurs and Southampton and we're ahead of 2 of them.
It's as if everyone jumps on a bandwagon.
Chelsea two man team
LFC great going forward crap defence.
mcfc " " " " ".
Arsenal will implode in the run-in.
Spurs. " " " " " ".
ect.
Our defence is conceding about 0.25 goals per game more than the top 6 average.
Yet our attack is averaging 0.5 more goals than the top 6 average.
Happy days, i know what I'd pay to watch.


13.) 30 Dec 2016 01:08:46
Talking about players availability, I read in BBC that Firmino's hearing will be on the same day of the Chelsea game. Is there a possibility that he will miss the game?


14.) 30 Dec 2016 01:21:11
In what universe outside of China is Martial worth 70m?


15.) 30 Dec 2016 08:38:53
Marco there is no bandwagon, Chelsea have shown what can be done with both a potent attack and mean defence. If we had a better defence we would not be six points behind them now we would probably be 6 in front of them.

I am not saying we cannot go on to win the prem but 2014 was a case in point if we want to draw parallels. It will be a tough ask and there will be a few twists for us and them. But we will put pressure on them by beating city tomorrow and sunderland on Tuesday.


16.) 30 Dec 2016 08:52:00
Sigh, all you've done is mention as many players as you can to suit your agenda!

Utd - Rooney is sh@t, lingard is 23 and been in their youth setup for years and only just getting a chance now, depay is a huge flop they're trying to get rid of and rashford is a youth player no-one had heard of who was a given a chance when the chips were down (fair play he took it) . By the way how is all of that attacking depth working out for them? I think they currently sit 7 points short of us no?

City, can't argue with that except I would put ihenacho in the same boat as rashford, why can't that be ojo?

Chelsea - oscar has been sold and not used, Moses was a joke until this season and cannot be included as an attacker given he's playing RB, van ginkel is in loan somewhere and you should check how many appearances he has for Chelsea, I'm pretty sure it's meagre.

Arsenal i can't argue with except for Ramsay who is not a front 3 player or he's a tenuous one at that.

if I took your approach of kitchen sink then we have Mane, sturridge, firmino, coutinho, origi, ings, (that's 6 so far you can't argue with and don't give me they're injured a lot tripe if you've included wellbeck, ox, wallcott) . On top of those 6 we have lallana, wijnaldum (AM until he joined us and certainly can play there), Milner can definitely play winger.

You must get my point, you're actually talking nonsense and have tried everything to suit your agenda of wanting a needless signing.


17.) 30 Dec 2016 09:33:46
Haizan - he will send his expensive high flying lawyer to represent him, probably plead guilty, get a ban and a fine.
He doesn't need to miss the game.


18.) 30 Dec 2016 10:06:41
87 red. I feel your missing my point, whether we rate them or not is not important. Rooney is on 250/ 300k a month, yes I think he's crap but fact is he's a first teamer so he goes on the list.
The whole basis of this was to say 5 senior attackers is not too many.

{Ed001's Note - and you have done that by completely fudging the point. You are completely missing the fact that a large proportion of those players are ranked as senior players purely because they got a chance due to their team not having 5 senior attackers. Why not give our younger players the same chances?}


19.) 30 Dec 2016 12:14:56
Thanks Ron!


20.) 30 Dec 2016 14:40:39
A Drunk Driving hearing does not take the whole day nor the whole day plus half of the evening. The Chelsea game is at 8pm so Firmino can have his hearing and still start the game so he`ll be fine.

As for our defence, drawing parallels with 13/ 14 is doing a disservice to how improved our defence is under Klopp. In 13/ 14, we were conceding 12 shots per game. this season it`s 7/ 8 at best. That season, Migs never played in front of a defence or defensive system where for long spells in games, he had strictly NOTHING to do. This season in an away derby vs Everton, he had NO save to make. That season, we couldn`t defend a set piece to save our lives. This season, we don`t even concede them and when we do, we are defending them much better overall.

What am I saying in essence? I`m saying that goals coal conceded and lack of clean sheets (trust me, I want them too), do not tell the whole story of how our defense has improved steadily under Klopp.

The goals we concede are a collection of mistakes (including those of the GK) that lead to them so again, Klopp is right that when we concede, it`s not just the GK`s fault all the time. See Stoke`s goal for an illustration.

Comparing us defensively to Chelsea, is a fool`s errand cos they already have that culture of defensive soundness from Mou`s first days and the 3-4-3 is a more defensive formation so it is a perfect storm for them. We don`t play that way and we defend by actually attacking you relentlessly and dominating possession so the opposition lives on scraps. We`ll be fine.


21.) 30 Dec 2016 16:14:41
Sorry to drag this up again, but i completely agree with the stance that whilst Ozil isn't lazy per se he doesn't always get involved where he should. I've watched Arsenal play a considerable amount of times over the past couple of years and find him to be absolutely infuriating to watch. I also thought he was really poor during the majority of the world cup games too, and remember a few of my german colleagues calling for him to be dropped. He's a luxury player who's reputation definitely precedes them.


22.) 30 Dec 2016 16:39:38
Eds001 I totally agree let's give the youth a chance. But for some reason klopp chose not to, so if he doesn't rate them as ready. then we must buy because coutinho injury mane going away and Sturridge injury leaves us paper thin.

{Ed001's Note - or it forces him to give them more chances....}


 

 

03 Jun 2016 12:48:53
The coutinho debate.
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. He is a very good player, our best player but if he wants to leave then so be it. Players come and players go, it's not like he wants to go to another team of our level in which case we have the right to be pissed at him.
He's moving on to bigger and better things, it's a promotion for him. More money, more stability for his family.
as long as players are respectful about leaving then we should behave in a similar manor. They haven't signed their life away to Liverpool fc, it's a contract of employment.
On a side not, Bring on the Arab sheikhs. And some spending money.

Mag_ic786

1.) 03 Jun 2016 13:11:46
Agree with what you say, and if you look at it from another angle and he was consistently performing poorly then LFC wouldn't think twice about moving him on. That's football and if he decides to leave then all the best to him and thanks for the service.


2.) 03 Jun 2016 14:27:15
If he wants to go, let him go as long as we get our hands on Gotze and a left winger like Rafa Silva. Both are prime targets according to Ed002 and will want regular first team football so is suspect the club has known Coutinho's desire to leave for some time. Sell him for 50 million GBP, and sign Gotze and Silva using that money.


 

 

05 Feb 2016 01:28:12
Seems to be doom and gloom everytime I come here. And all this talk about us not being able to attract the top players. Of course we can't, haven't been able to keep our best players neither for many years now. It's a fact.

When's the last time we signed a renowned world class player, I'd say not in decades. We've signed players who may turn out to be very good or world class.

And in that time many top players have turned us down. And our star players have always left. Owen, mcmanaman, alonso, masch, Torres, Suarez, sterling.

Face up to it. We support Liverpool because it is our club. Not because we win trophies and great European nights because those days are long gone.

Us being mediocre is old news. But we can only hope for better round the corner.

Mag_ic786

1.) 05 Feb 2016 06:15:33
Have we EVER signed a world class renowned player? In my opinion we have bought players that have the potential and then possibly turned them into world class renowned players. That's always been the Liverpool way. Granted of late we have struggled to keep them happy. People focus on these marquee signings so much. has Leicester signed this type of player. No they are where they are on team work and confidence. One player doesn't win you silverware.


2.) 05 Feb 2016 06:16:36
Doom and gloom alright!


3.) 05 Feb 2016 06:30:24
mr jumbel, so far the Liverpool way for past 3 years is we pay world class prices for potential players.


4.) 05 Feb 2016 07:44:01
Liverpool fc never sign world class players we make them.

Makes me laugh, we don't sign world class players cause they won't come to us. Sanchez.
We don't make them either, probably only Suarez.
Torres had a good couple of seasons.

The saying should be: we can't sign world class players, we make good players look rubbish (lallana, benteke, lovren, Sahko etc. )


5.) 05 Feb 2016 07:57:42
Have we not ALWAYS struggled/ not tried to keep our top players? Historically, which LFC legend didn't leave us for other challenges? Only Kenny really, pretty much everyone else came, spent some great years and went again for something else.


6.) 05 Feb 2016 09:26:54
Maybe you forgot football before the Premier league Frisky along with a certain Gerarrd, Alonso, McManaman, Owen, Fowler?
We certainly have had more than 2 world class players in our time.

{Ed002's Note - I doubt it - Owen, Gerrard and Alonso certainly did not play for Liverpool before the Premier League.}


7.) 05 Feb 2016 09:27:45
hjikle, I think you missed out a man who spent all his playing career in this country with Lfc. Of course I mean Gerrard.


8.) 05 Feb 2016 11:29:50
Ed I said he forgot the days before the premier league AND Alonso, Owen, Gerrard etc.
I am well aware of when they played but I still consider them plus a host of players before the premier league who were world class.

You're not European Champions 4 times in 8 seasons without having some world class players. No other English team would know about that though.

{Ed002's Note - Yes but it is a lifetime or two ago. Liverpool the Huddersfield Town of the 70s and 80s - we don't need to be told.}


9.) 05 Feb 2016 12:45:22
We've had one or two - Gerrard (who if you didn't notice did end up leaving eventually) and KD spring to mind. But we've had a lot of top talent over the years!


 

 

03 Feb 2016 23:19:18
theres a lot of banter about klopps poor Liverpool team. We can all see he isn't doing too good, but I don't think he deserves half the criticism he's getting.

He was bought in when we had reached a 20 year low with a manager (Rodgers) who we all agreed was the worst Liverpool manager we've seen in most of our lifetimes. Top it off with the worst squad I can remember.

The worst keeper in 30+ years, least effective strike force I've ever seen at our club. And although we've changed the manager, the players remain.
So I for one am not judging or expecting anything special from klopp this season.

It's easy pointing out hiddink has done well with Chelsea, but he took over the league champions with a world class squad. Hats off to klopp for accepting this challenge, when in fact he could of taken his pick from the best teams in the world. once he's assembled his squad, I will expect results then and only then.

YNWA.

Mag_ic786

1.) 03 Feb 2016 23:53:50
You witnessed Hodgson's reign didn't you?


2.) 03 Feb 2016 23:59:47
Hodgson. The only Liverpool manager to truely have no money yo spend. Digging in the bargain basement for Konchesky.


3.) 04 Feb 2016 00:18:15
Least productive strike force? 3 don't probably have 50 appearances between them, a lot of injuries too. When for its hardly the worst strike force.


4.) 04 Feb 2016 02:10:39
For me, Klopp needs to try do something different. It's pretty clear the combination of Firmino-Lallana-Henderson-Milner-Can-Lucas doesn't really seem very effective and a tweak (or two or three) is needed. Maybe Ibe up front, Firmino playing off him? Or a front duo of Benteke and Firmino? Or drop the press, go with a more traditional two lines of 4 and counterattack instead? I really don't know what the answer is, but what we've been doing has not really been working so hopefully he tries something a bit different at the weekend.


5.) 04 Feb 2016 05:12:32
Agree RDL, it could be the gruelling schedule or the fact most of that front 6 are workhorse rather than pace/ flair players, but we need something to freshen up our attack.

I'd personally go back to the 4-2-3-1 which provded more support for Firmino in false 9, and put a touch more trickery and/ or pace into the attacking mids eg. Llalana, Teixera, Ibe would be my pick to give Milner/ Can a rest.


6.) 04 Feb 2016 06:55:10
well mag ill always remember 13/ 14 so exciting football from a solid team amazing some of that football we all watched, hate to remind u but rogers was there to, yes some shake your head moments from him but he was part of it so move on from the rogers slaughter its better for your heart rate.


7.) 04 Feb 2016 06:59:01
Couldn't agree more RDL. Rodgers adapted for one season to fit Sturridge and Suarez, and we smashed it. Recognising that they are both real quality of course. Rodgers then went back to his principles and we suffered. I am all for a belief in or preferred system until it isn't working or when you don't have the players for it. You may want a thai curry but if you don't have the paste you can still make a cracking stir fry.


8.) 04 Feb 2016 08:30:09
Andy

Rodgers went back to his principles because he had no Suarez and sturridge for almost two seasons. His only striker was Balotelli who wasnt good enougn for any style.
He tried the three ACM together up front with Sterling replacing Firmino. IMO He tried everything possible with the players he himself purchased.

The problem were always the poor players and for that reason I blame Rodgers for buying them.


9.) 04 Feb 2016 11:55:17
Rodgers was just very fortunate to be the at the club when Suarez hit form.
It amazing me guys on here trying to give Rodgers credit for Suarez, Rodgers didn't buy him and Rodgers didn't make him the player he is. In fact Suarez made everyone at Lfc look better than there actually were.

Most other managers would of won the league that season, bodgers still rodgered it right up.

If he was that good a manager he wouldn't be sitting on his arse right now would he. Don't see him drowning in job offers.

Ynwa.


10.) 04 Feb 2016 11:55:17
Rodgers was just very fortunate to be the at the club when Suarez hit form.
It amazing me guys on here trying to give Rodgers credit for Suarez, Rodgers didn't buy him and Rodgers didn't make him the player he is. In fact Suarez made everyone at Lfc look better than there actually were.

Most other managers would of won the league that season, bodgers still rodgered it right up.

If he was that good a manager he wouldn't be sitting on his arse right now would he. Don't see him drowning in job offers.

Ynwa.


 

 

 

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29 Jan 2017 11:59:44
Lucas, can, ejaria, Stewert, grujic are all not good squad player quality. Nothing more.
We buy if we must, and move a few on in the summer. I keep seeing the eds tell us our squad is overloaded with midfielders, and with strikers, and with centre backs. but then I'm told our squad is thin, therefore it must be thin of quality. So we must add quality

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13 Dec 2016 17:33:05
I doubt Liverpool would let them both leave, maybe one.
But if the price is right and the management deems it a good deal then so be it.
I have every faith in klopp finding suitable replacements should they go.
I must say I'd probably want to keep firminho if I had the choice of keeping only one, he has that something different which I like.
In no way am I saying coutinho can leave, he's a top player and in an ideal world we will finish top 3, keep them both and add more quality in the summer.
We clearly miss coutinho now he's injured, but I feel finding another flare player may be easier than trying to find another hard worker with skills and goals to match.

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Yes big win for wolves. This is becoming a disaster our season may be over once we've played Chelsea Arsenal and spurs

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Now I've heard it all.

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25 Jan 2017 23:49:59
Season definitely falling apart. It's got to the stage where even if we beat Chelsea I'd be struggling to get excited because I'd expect us to lose the next game.
We are used to nearly being a good team but never quite getting there, and no it's not an overreaction because of one game or a few games. the last 6-7 games we've been rubbish and not looked like winning.

If we are happy to stay mediocre then carry on the way we are. If we want to compete with the best consistently then we need a big investor like the arabs and 2-3 years of building a top team. We were competing with the best under Benitez and he built a solid team then the club failed to capitalise.

I'm happy to now accept top 4 is best we can hope for. In fact 4th spot. We kid ourselves every 2-3 years thinking this year will be our year, 30 years on and it's no nearer.
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As far as I can see, Coutinho is not suarez, I don't see him forcing a transfer as he is happy at Liverpool. He may give klopp another season maybe even 2. and then if a big offer comes in club and player may both be happy to accept.

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