Liverpool Banter Archive January 22 2017

22 Jan 2017 19:55:13
ED1 what is with the hate on Can? How has he turned from like our young German prodigy to a so called horse, has he really turned that bad?

{Ed001's Note - he has not been playing well and fans have no patience.}

22 Jan 2017 21:17:58
Nobody should hate any Liverpool player. Can is a work in progress. I think he can play a big part in the future. Just isn't quite on his game atm

22 Jan 2017 21:33:35
Around this age/ experience, people were saying similar about coutinho. With time, he developed the consistency to be one of the best. I hope the same for Can. Give him some time

22 Jan 2017 21:35:16
This season he hasn't done as well as expected but he's still young, needs a bit more time, he can play a big part for us in the future imo, patience is key.

22 Jan 2017 21:48:58
He needs to play further forward. I remember watching him drive at the back four of United the other week and he was going past their left back in particular like he wasn't there. He also put in a wicked cross to the back post which Wijnaldum headed over the bar. Then you have his goal earlier in the season where he made a late run into the box and headed in, or his stunner against Bournemouth from a pull back to the edge of the area.

Personally, if Klopp wants him in the side for Mane, I'd prefer him playing on the right of the front 3 so we can keep Lallana in midfield were his creativity is critical. Can seems to be better when he is in the final third and has no time to over think his pass. He clearly lacks discipline, but he does have good vision for a killer pass. Who could forget that chop inside and outside of the foot pass in behind to assist Sturridge last season! With his height and running power he is also a goal threat. Send him further up and see how he links with Coutinho and Firmino I say. Because in midfield he is a liability, but he clearly has quality.

22 Jan 2017 22:24:53
I've always lauded Can but recently he's frustrated the hell out of me. He slows the game down and his passing has beeen either sideways, backwards or completely wayward. Plus him being there means Lallana is pushed further forward where he has no space to use his skill. He's a good player but at the moment should be used from the bench and hopefully one day he can improve enough to command a starting slot.

22 Jan 2017 22:54:51
Spot on, guys! Moreover, you should pop over to the This Is Anfield site where there is a full article, which is a proper hit job and pathetic scapegoating of Can as the reason for all our issues including as if he`s the reason why we show no commitment, desire or fight in games vs lesser teams and why dropping or selling him would suddenly make Klavan and Lovren stop making silly mistakes. We are literally feeding on our own right now. Good grief!

22 Jan 2017 22:25:25
I agree he has all the attributes to be a good player just not the consistency and awareness arm. Hope we stick with him in the long run as I think he'll turn good but he certainly needs dropping on current form.

23 Jan 2017 00:47:59
I understand that you once said young players come with frustrations, but I have to admit, i'm getting a lot more frustrated these past few games. I still have high hopes on him though. Time will tell.

23 Jan 2017 10:05:54
There is no hate on Can. He is a bang avergar plaher prople now accepting it. Except ". He is young. " He has had nothing to show lately and people are frustrated coz he has pushed Lallana out wide.

23 Jan 2017 10:24:00
He has not pushed Lallana outwide the manger has . Maybe don't see no other options. He tryed Sturridge there he did not understand the role . He may not see Ojo being ready and he does not see Origi as a wide player

23 Jan 2017 10:57:07
No one hates can, he's got a lot of criticism because he's avoided it for so long. He made the same mistakes and errors last season but got away with a lot of stick, the first thing Henderson does wrong and he is the worst player on the team apparently. People are delusional about cans ability, he is a decent player, has got good attributes but is missing the most important part of a central midfielder and that is a footballing brain. I don't think it has anything to do with patience either, we hold mignolet and Moreno etc responsible for their mistakes so why shouldn't we hold Can responsible for his who has been here just as long a moreno. He doesn't offer enough going forward and doesn't offer enough going back, and in my view he's a poorer version of Henderson without the reading of the game. If you want to wait to see IF Can will get it right and sacrifice the teams performances on occasions then so be it, we won't be winning much any time soon. We need a better first team midfielder than wijnaldum and can, this is reality. We can say, let's be patient and wait, then when we've finally realised, they are the weak links, and the rest of the squad has either aged or moved on, we will be kicking ourselves when we had the chance to achieve great things. I'm not saying get rid of wiji or can, wiji should be a rotation player, because hendo lallana and wiji has worked more often than not especially going forward, but can still has to learn his trade properly and should be doing that off the bench. We need a better midfielder for the long term, someone that will improve the first 11. If you disagree and think the likes of Stewart, grujic and Can will fix things, it's time to get the rose tinted glasses off.

23 Jan 2017 12:16:41
I don't hate Can, he gives 100% every game, but he doesn't have the quality IMO. He's a tough physical specimen, but he hasn't got the ball control or the skill to take us to the next level. Consequently, when we're looking to open a team up through slick pass and move, Can slows the momentum.
It's no coincidence since he's come back in we have scored fewer and looked less threatening. I'm sorry if that perceived as making him a scapegoat, it's just the way I see it.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is that he gets carried away when he does something right and tries to do too much. He simply is not good enough to do any of the things he tries to do, yet.}

23 Jan 2017 12:23:33
Can for me operates better in a 4 man midfield. I don't think he and Gigi link up well together, neither is a leader ad look indecisiveness to who should be going into the space or moving towards an opposition play with the ball. With a DM in there simply to break up opposition play and take the defensive pressure off, I think Can could flourish, when he gets time on the ball to run forward and pick a pass he looks very dangerous.
Henderson got a lot of the same sort of criticism when he first joined LFC and it's taken him 5 years to be held in decent regard and still not by all fans, add into that he's only played midfield really for LFC for about a year, as Bodgers played him centreback and right back, and Germany have been using him as a utility player. He needs a little more time in his role, and more help from the centremids. I really don't think it's helping that we have a young centremid who's playing with a centremid that's played a 10 most of his life in Gigi, who won't fully understand the role himself.

23 Jan 2017 13:10:05
Milner needs to play there.

23 Jan 2017 13:26:00
Can is a good player and has the potential to become a very good player. At the moment he is not distributing the ball quick enough. He has to learn to understand what's around him before he receives the ball. Top players see the picture of where the players are before they get the ball, therefore rarely think of where to pass once they get the ball, that decision has already been made. Can receives the ball controls and then looks around for someone to pass to, in that time he is closed down and then more often than not has to pass back or loses the ball.

Hopefully he can speed his game up to match our style of play

Evered

23 Jan 2017 14:17:31
Weren't people on here accusing Lallana of slowing our movement down last season? Too many Cruyff turns etc. We'll look at him now! (Or at least look at his performances when used in midfield this season)
Let's all have a bit more faith in the manager. He has turned a few of our players careers round so let's see what he can do with Can. He is still young, has great physical attributes, so let's see what Klopp can do with him instead of jumpingvon his back for every misplaced pass. He is a Liverpool player and we should be 100% behind him.

23 Jan 2017 14:55:14
Can is not a winger to play anywhere in front three. He is a luxury pkayer currently with no place in the starting eleven and Klopp is struggling hard to fit him somehow. Can is not the reason we lost to Swansea but certainly culprit of not showing enough going forward. He is a misfit.

23 Jan 2017 15:00:06
People seem to forget that in the beginning of the season, Can never played with Wij or Hendo. It was always, Hendo with Can or Wij (never both) ahead of him and Lallana ahead of them and we were killing teams. Then, Lallana got injured, then did Wij, then Couts, then Mane left. Klopp tried to make things work with what he had. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not. If Mane was here, Lallana would be in CM and no one would care.

Now Can has to play there with Lallana out wide cos Studge nor Firmino are effective there. Klopp is really trying and so is Can who I agree has not been good lately os he plays better alongside Hendo and Lallana but did have a good game vs Utd. Origi would be my choice outwide to Allow Lallana to be in CM where he creates havoc. But the Can slating needs to stop. After all, he doesn't pick himself and Klopp is trying to make do with a situation he has no control over, right now.

23 Jan 2017 14:32:06
Maybe MK has a point, give him a run on the wing and see how he does. If Klopp doesn't fancy Ono yet then try Can. It would also allow Lallana back into the middle where he is way more effective.

23 Jan 2017 15:27:32
You're right about Lallana last season GMac but everyone always knew Lallana had great technique and buckets of ability. He was just not making the right decisions.
I don't see the same technical ability in Can, it's not just his decision making, it's a lack of quality.

23 Jan 2017 16:34:12
You guys tears are welling up in my eyes at this beautiful thread, can't they all be as constructive and reasonable as this?

24 Jan 2017 03:30:23
my take on emre can is this, at the moment he is out of form so he needs taking out of the team, it really is that simple, take him out of the firing line and allow him to build up his form in the reserves.

22 Jan 2017 19:14:53
I know it's frustrating but if we get in the top four and win a trophy, we could not have hoped for more at the start of season, we do need more steel in defence and more creativity in the midfield, Jonathan Tah and Dahoud would solve that but we can't see that happening

22 Jan 2017 19:37:02
And what would you say if we don't get top4 and don't win a trophy? Because there is just the same amount of possibility of your above statement happening as my statement happening. How can we base a season on what if's!

22 Jan 2017 19:57:25
I think the point is that we still have plenty to play for ZALFC. Not fall apart like you have. I read your comments during the game and along with a few others, i think you need to stop and breath for a moment.

22 Jan 2017 20:33:47
ZALFC needs to sit back and take a look at the bigger picture. We have made giant strides since Klopp took over.

22 Jan 2017 20:53:31
Top 4 and a trophy are still in our own hands. We're the masters of our own destiny. So long as you have that, you have everything you need

22 Jan 2017 21:08:05
Ron u said the same during Rodgers time. I think going for the title was always unrealistic. but looking how well conte is doing in his 1st season leaves lil bit of envy there tho.

Top 4 is must for us especially without Europe, if we fail to finish in top 4 then the season will turn out to be a huge huge disappointing. However u like to spin it tho

22 Jan 2017 21:12:04
What I'm trying to say is whilst we still have the chance stop complaining, man u are in 6th and they are probably less negative than us

22 Jan 2017 22:35:06
For me the fans are a huge problem. ZAL you are exactly what I'm talking about. The players are human beings and if they feel that 50,000 fans are behind them win or lose they have much more freedom to play. The problem is a large proportion of our fans just want to jump on every slip up and every individual error which just exacerbates the problem. Klopp has tried to change the fan mentality numerous times but some of you are just too stupid to realise you are actually part of the problem if not the biggest part. I feel like some are hoping we lose so they can say 'here we go again' and 'we always lose the important games as usual' and other rubbish I've been reading lately. Try supporting the team we have a squad capable of winning the premier league we really do, perhaps all they need is to know we are all on the same side.

23 Jan 2017 06:26:17
kopite7 : I may have said the same under Rodgers, but that is because it was true. We were 7 points from 3 games away from winning the league!
But then we went backwards because we lost our best player and we qualified for the champions league. Rodgers being an inexperienced manager didn't know how to handle that, he stockpiled players, lost his way and it all fell apart.
Klopp is not inexperienced, he has won trophies, he has taken teams to the champions league final. It may not work out for him but that doesn't mean we haven't made giant strides since he arrived.

22 Jan 2017 18:48:04
Premier League title to Chelsea. Conte proved to be what Klopp can never be to Liverpool. Chelsea have the winning mentality and players have what Shearer said LFC don't: application and mentality. That's the difference and you don't win anything with second rate players.

22 Jan 2017 18:55:00
So first you attack klopp then blame the players. Conte inherited a team that had won the title a few seasons before. Klopp inherited a top 8 team

22 Jan 2017 19:04:08
Oh bull, conte inherited a team that was in the relegation zone and were breaking all the wrong records last season. Conte has shown klopp what it really takes to have a winning team, conte has taken Chelseas rejects and made them into title contenders. Our rejects are still rejects getting first team football

22 Jan 2017 19:09:53
Chelsea never had any rejects don't be ridiculous. Mourinho fell to pieces and Conte has managed to put the pieces back together. That team is always going to be in the title race if they have a manager who hasn't lost the dressing room

22 Jan 2017 19:40:33
So was Moses and pedro not rejects? Pedro was on his way out, hazard was having one of his worst seasons. Conte has transformed that team. Klopp has not had the same effect on ours.

22 Jan 2017 20:02:12
ZALFC123 You must have been sitting waiting impatiently for "OUR" team to hit a bad patch. I have never heard as much vitriol coming from one person as heard from you the last couple of days. You don't even make good points just outrageous ranting and raving to take away from the fact that you know nothing about football as the above statement proves.

22 Jan 2017 20:05:17
Op

Ahhhhh hahahahahah.

22 Jan 2017 20:12:18
Has Klopp not had an affect on lallana Origi, Milner?

22 Jan 2017 20:14:26
This is surely a windup lol.

22 Jan 2017 20:44:41
Sweet Jesus the champions just 21 months ago are rejects despite adding possibly the most complete midfielder in the EPL to their ranks, and getting rid of a tainted genius manager who will melt down again soon enough, replacing him with a steadying hand at the tiller.
Chelsea won 14/ 15 season and are leading this season because they have a great squad of players, last year was all down To Moreno.

22 Jan 2017 20:45:16
Well said Danray, some people are unbelievable. they only get heard when things are going wrong, it's like they lay dormant while we are doing well waiting for something to rant about to make themselves happy, or to just sound like they know what they're on about!

22 Jan 2017 18:41:30
I don't think Liverpool will win the title this year. The main aim is to stay in the top four and win a cup maybe. I think we have done well this year. To be honest I didn't think the players were good enough. It is too early to judge Klopp yet but he needs to be more flexible tactically. He has done well this season though at the moment.

22 Jan 2017 21:53:14
The players and squad may not be good enough yet for a title bid BUT are definitely good enough for a top 4 finish. Why? We've been in the top for virtually all season with great results overall But we have struggled vs lesser teams of late due to our missing players, an expected dip in form and a lack of commitment vs these teams as shown vs Bournmouth and worst of all, vs Swansea.

Klopp does change his tactics as we saw him do a job on Mou vs Utd and had it not been for a poor decision on the offside no call, we would have had three points. We are in a rough patch right now for diverse reasons and still in the top four.

We need to show better commitment and desire vs lesser teams, stick together thru this patch with players coming back in form (Hendo and Clyne are playing injured) and there's no better opportunity than vs Saints come Wed cos we still have a Wembley ticket to validate.

22 Jan 2017 18:04:19
So conte hasn't made wholesale changes to their team and made improvements to the Chelsea team with his purchases all still within his first season at the club.

What is klopp's excuse?

This nonsense of klopp doing the best with the players that he had is nonsense. He has had the chance to buy but look at how we have been short changed, caulker (shocking loan) GW and klavan and karius is still to show up.

All he has been harping on about is long balls that the opposition team are playing, well at least those teams have a plan B.

Our plan A is a shambles, and we have no plan B

This isn't progress. Time to stop sugar coating the state our club is at by keep professing how lucky we are to have klopp.

22 Jan 2017 18:15:12
Well clearly it is progress. We are in the top 4 at the minute which is a lot higher than we have finished in the previous 2 seasons. Is that not progress? To me it is a massive step forward, even with all the players you don't rate😉.

22 Jan 2017 18:17:33
So who would you have bought.

22 Jan 2017 18:24:37
Because there owners backs them and they could get players like kante

22 Jan 2017 18:28:36
Look at the quality of the team he inherited.

Look how much he was given to spend.

Look how bloated our squad was with average players - you can't keep adding to a squad.

22 Jan 2017 18:41:42
who's to say we are going to finish in the top 4, we hope we will but by the time Mane gets back will we be too far behind to catch up again, put it this way i can see that the teams around us are all improving and playing better than us and winning and going forward, now look at us we have lost one player and we are not winning and going backwards and falling behind the likes or arsenal, spurs and man city and chelsea even man utd are going forward,

swansea had 3 shots on target we had 5 and the score was 3-2 to them, one thing klopp should have sorted out is to stop us panicking when the opposition start running at us or if we go 1 or 2 goals in front we always panic

22 Jan 2017 18:46:43
Zalfc is right. We need a new coach, at least 11 new players and new owners! Do we have time to do all this before the season ends? I mean before they arrived we were winning championships left and right, participating in the champions league year in year out! Can't people see that ever since Klopp and our owners arrived it has been downhill from there?

22 Jan 2017 19:00:54
mbrock. The OP is asking the question today, not at the end of the season. So we can't predict what is going to happen but only what we know so far. We have lost 3 games this season, much less than the previous 2 seasons. As it stands today its a massive step forward for the team, that cannot be argued. It is progress which the OP was refuting.

22 Jan 2017 19:08:21
Why slate me and my opinion, am I the one that has taken us from being title contenders to just barely holding onto 4th?
Am I the one playing crap Can week in and week out?

Am I leaving our subs to so late yet it is obvious we have no answer to the defence our opponents are putting up?

Am I the one not looking at a proper defence and openly backs our carp keepers and defenders?

22 Jan 2017 19:29:33
Let's get conte

22 Jan 2017 20:10:01
These have got to be jokers the eds pay to write this.

Omg op. Come on laa.

You just made your reason for being a tit by saying who we signed.

Look at who we signed and how little we spent compared to the rest and were klopp has taken us.

We have gave some smashings out. put outseoves rigjt in the mix for top 4
In all the cups and aren't even back at full strenght yet.

Matip. mane and a fit coutinho and we qill be fine.

22 Jan 2017 20:42:51
irish rover you said we are in the top 4 at the moment but then said it better than were we finished in the last 2 seasons, that's what i was on about, you put it across as if to say we are in the top 4 and we will finish in the top 4 with you saying its higher than were we finished in the last 2 seasons, so how does now make it were we finished the last 2 seasons,

22 Jan 2017 23:06:44
ZALFC, The Chelsea team is two seasons removed from a PL title with a very deep squad built over the past three seasons so your comparison lacks facts and context. Also, we are in the top four regardless of all our issues ahead of two teams who spent twice as much as we have in City and Utd so a bit of context is required here. We are struggling for diverse reasons and since we have a whole half season to go, saying we won't make the top four is very premature.

We have to just stick it out and show some more grit and fight vs lesser teams cos that attitude has cost us vs Bournmouth and especially Swansea where we showed no fight, no desire nor commitment all game.

22 Jan 2017 17:02:50
From what I've seen since mane has left for Senegal I reckon we need to change to a diamond llalana in the top three isn't working we loose so much energy in the center. yesterday the energy was lost until llalana move back into midfield and you can't move any of firmino Sturidge or origi out wide because there useless in that position. the next five pl game are vital we play the top three if we beat Chelsea and then they drop points the week after to arsenal it's back open. We could either be within five to two points away from Chelsea depending how this finishes tonight

22 Jan 2017 22:18:09
Or we could play Lazar Markovic whose loan has been cancelled and we have nothing to loose. This might make a career of a player once regarded as Europe's best talent. He never got a run in as a winger did he? Play him there you are not loosing anything. He has terrific pace.

23 Jan 2017 10:10:34
Not sure Marko is the answer here, Sweet. If he was any good, he would still b at Sporting. I'd rather work on Origi to play wide, ATM.

22 Jan 2017 16:44:50
Did my previous post attract some hostility Ed's, as the thread seems to have gone?

{Ed002's Note - No idea O.}

22 Jan 2017 15:18:29
Here's the U23s update that should put a bit of a positive on things after yesterday's result.
We won 3-0 against Ipswich in the Premier League Cup in a really comfortable game. Paulo Alves scored the first, Brewster scored the second (on his debut) and Ben Woodburn scored the third late on. Brewster has been very good for the u18s from what I've heard so it's good to see him scoring in his first game for the U23s. He also had a goal disallowed.
Ojo and Wilson were excellent throughout and were a constant threat which is encouraging, hopefully they can hold a place in the first team before long.
Matip and Moreno featured in defence in what was a strong lineup. Kevin Stewart also played. There's not a lot more to say other than it was a dominant display and it could easily have been 6-0.
Next up is Sunderland away next Sunday at 12:00.

22 Jan 2017 13:21:04
I've thought this for a while but would be interested to hear others and Ed's opinion on this idea.

I realise it's very simple and would need further detail but I think all football would benefit from it and raise the standard of the game.

For senior players;

If you make the first 11 that week - you receive 100% of your wages.

If you make the bench - you receive 75% of your wages that week.

If you don't make the match day squad but are willing to play for the U23's that week - you receive 75% of your wages.

If you don't make the match day squad and are unwilling to play for the U23's - you receive only 50% of your wage that week.

It would need rolling out across all teams in the UK if not Europe for it to work. However I've always thought it would be a good idea to ensure players aren't just happy to sit on the bench and collect their weekly wage for doing nothing.

Cheers

{Ed025's Note - there is no way that players or agents would go for that toon, its a good idea in principal mate but unworkable im afraid..

22 Jan 2017 13:34:27
That's what I feared, Ed.

The only way it could work is if it was enforced by the FA or UEFA to keep a cap on wages.

{Ed025's Note - i would have them all on zero hours contracts if it was up to me toon mate.. :)

22 Jan 2017 13:56:29
Terrible idea mate, seriously is.

22 Jan 2017 14:08:16
Would you agree to 100% pay only for productive time and not for tea/ coffee break, bio break, lunch break.

very unrealistic idea.

22 Jan 2017 14:11:08
Why you think so DownRater?

22 Jan 2017 14:22:49
I think most clubs have their own individual systems which are bonus related in that the more you play, score, win bonus etc.
But to generalise a system throughout UEFA would be impossible to enforce and would lead to disruption at every team selection.
Every individual player is different so if your happy not to be involved and to sit on the bench then that's a character fault and is the job of manager or transfer committee to have spotted this.
A great example of this was when City were buying up all the young talent like Rodwell, sinclair etc.
Them lads took the money but in my opinion showed a fault in their make up that has subsequently damaged their careers.
Remember Scott Parker at Chelsea he could not stand not playing and walked away from the money to play at another club. With even Morenio calling him a model professional.
Which example is professional?

22 Jan 2017 14:37:09
As I say, it was an idea. If you don't think it's a good one, fine, but maybe make another suggestion instead of just shooting it down.

The boys are all incredibly well paid, but there is no incentive to flog their guts out week in week out in training if they know they are picking up 100% of their stratospheric salary no matter what. Therefore, potentially lowering the standard of the game across the board.

I agree entirely that it is unrealistic due to the complications and the undoubted uprising from footballers potential to be on the breadline.

22 Jan 2017 15:42:09
I also couldn't see this working. However, I'll explain my reasons. Players' agents would just be instructed to ask for assurances on playing time and wages doubled in case a player is on the bench.
Also, as we have seen with Origi and Sturridges rotation in certain games and others, different games call for different tactics/ types of player. I'm pretty sure having Sturridge, and this is an example as I have no idea what he is earning, on £100,000 a week every week is better than having Sturridge on £200,000 a week and sometimes £100,000 a week when he is on the bench.
What would happen with substitutions? It's very much a 14 man team at the weekend.
Also, you could have extremely hard workers earning half their wages when there are better options with maybe less of a work ethic taking their place and wages.
I could only see massive disruption of morale within teams squads

22 Jan 2017 15:46:57
This only works if we regard playing football as different from other forms of work. The reality is playing football is a job - albeit an overpaid, lucrative job - but a job none the less and the same labour rules that apply for all us regular joe's also apply to football clubs and the things they can or can not do with their employees. If it was suggested that people who weren't on the most productive team in their office recieve 75% salary only there would be (rightly in my opinion) outcry. Footballers are very privileged and few seem to realise it - but the job has to be treated like other jobs and similar sorts of rules relating to workers rights should and must be enforced.

You get idlers in every type of job - you cannot start stripping peoples pay because of this though as it would harm lots of decent, hard-working people. Even taking football as an example yes there are some players happy to collect there wage and sit on the bench - but there are also hard working professionals who, for whatever reason, are usually on the bench as this is their role. I don't think penalising players financially for being on the bench makes sense or is even fair - add to this the fact that it is the manager who decides who does and doesn't play and it becomes an even bigger minefield.

22 Jan 2017 19:14:30
ive also thought that if a team does not win then the players shold not get paid, imagine the difference with some players and in some games were we have seen the players playing like they don't care it will never happen and just a dream by me but it happens already in some jobs where people only get paid on commission, years ago the players never got payed that much to todays wages but believe me there was some very good players who neverwent down holding their face when they got touched in the leg, years ago the players were proper men

22 Jan 2017 10:50:44
Just a thought for you all, if Chelsea came to anfield with Klaven and Louvren as their centre backs how would we feel.

In other words we will never win the Premiership with Louvren as our main CB - I have hoped he would improve and he has had a couple of decent games however as yesterday again proved he makes too many mistakes for a top 4 side, please Mr Klopp get a decent centre back to partner Matip. If we do then we can seriously target the title.

22 Jan 2017 12:57:44
I agree with you about Lovren, he flatters to deceive.
Like Migs, he'll have some fine performances and really look the part, then he'll make a stupid error and cost you a game.
Matip is our best central defender, Lovren is not an adequate deputy.

22 Jan 2017 13:17:03
I don't think Lovren is the weak link personally, he needs a solid CB partner and that is not Klavan. Lovren has is bigger workload with Klavan - don't want to badmouth Klavan, but I am nervous when he plays and calmer with Lovren and Matip.

22 Jan 2017 13:21:24
I agree with the Lovren assessment - simply not good enough and only performs when paired with real quality (something we used to say about Skrtel) . Lovren ain't good enough and should be replaced in my opinion (either by Gomez or a purchase) .

22 Jan 2017 13:39:44
If you NEED a solid centreback for you to perform, you ARE the weak link. Klavan hasn't been close to as bad as Lovren. Lovren has a biger workload because he's targeted due to his weaknesses. Klavan handled zlatan better when zlatan didn't have time to place himself against lovren, He did ok vs sterling and others. Lovren is th undeniable weak link.
Lovren has had multiple partners in Sakho, Klavan, matip, Skrtel, toure and has looked below average with them all. Not amunt of solidity in a partner will solve this. I haven't even mentioned his POOR! partnership with Clyne since Matips been out.

22 Jan 2017 14:00:02
Lovren is terrible, why do we persist with him?

22 Jan 2017 14:13:36
Well he is a Liverpool player. He has to be terrible!

Smh

22 Jan 2017 14:47:02
It will be interesting to see the rest of the transfer window now.
For me even with Mane playing there is something missing in our midfield. A lack of structure maybe players interchanging.
I dunno but I guess that's why these manager guys get the big bucks.

22 Jan 2017 14:51:25
Lovren also played when we were smashing teams, yesterday was a collective fail none of our players bar firmino turnt up. They expected to walk over swansea and got taught a lesson. Always give your best no matter who you are playing.

There is always next year folks, let's just cheer them on to a good top 4 finish and hope they have learned their lesson, klopp included!

22 Jan 2017 15:38:06
''Well he is a Liverpool player. He has to be terrible!

Smh'' No 1 said that, they're saying 1 player is playing terribly and has for coming up to 3 years.

''Lovren also played when we were smashing teams'' and he still played terribly then. it's just the attackers we are missing aren't there to cover for his lapses.

22 Jan 2017 09:53:18
As a Ugandan and Liverpool fan yesterday was one of my worst days in football. Uganda was the first country to be eliminated out of the AFcon and Anfield also finally broke down.

Here in Uganda people are still celebrating the fact Uganda qualified for Afcon after a 39 year wait and put up a decent show against African super powers (Ghana and Egypt) . The boys are going to be welcomed as heroes after there final game (win or lose) . We taking it as a learning curve and development for maybe the next Afcon or even World cup.

However I don't understand all this out cry about liverpoolfc' recent results, I think ever since Klopp came we are a team in progress whereby even after the dip in form we should appreciate the fact that as football club we are improving. Before the season started we all wanted champs league football which we are still in contention of. No one talked about the title. Now everyone feels like the boys are not doing enough for title. How should Man City fans feel like if we (liverpoolfc) feel like the worst.
Anyway I don't know much as I'm a young fan, maybe liverpool fc has a devine right to success.
But as for me. I'm still happy with how the club is going forward. I will start getting worried about the title when we are once again a perennial champions league qualifying team like Arsenal.

22 Jan 2017 10:02:47
Hey fellow African brother. Am happy for you and your country. Am sure you'll be better next time. Your boys gave decent account of themselves.

22 Jan 2017 10:52:06
Great post African Red!

22 Jan 2017 14:28:03
Great read that AR

22 Jan 2017 15:41:38
Great post. Not seen you post before mate. Should definitely post more with top stuff like that!

22 Jan 2017 01:24:40
Nice to see Ryan Kent playing for Barnsley, scored a decent goal today, good to see him coming along well, must admit I never realised just how fast he was, he's got an unreal burst of acceleration, hope to see him given a chance at the first team next years like some of the other youngsters are now.

{Ed007's Note - You should google what his brother Clark has done!}