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24 Jan 2017 08:37:28
Any truth in the William Carvalho rumors, Eds?

{Ed002's Note - William Carvalho has been looked at by Liverpool so there is the chance that something can be done.}


 

 

18 Dec 2016 13:59:28
Any truth in the rumors about Thiago Maia. Just read it in the Irish Independent who rarely cover transfer news.

{Ed002's Note - Santos' Thiago Maia is of interest to PSG, Monaco, Zenit and Napoli in addition to Chelsea, Fiorentina and Manchester United who all have sustained interest and spoke with his previous agent. He is one of three players at the Olympics that Chelsea were interested in and a bid is still expected after seemingly successful discussions were held with his new representative. PSG has spoken to Santos and after being rebuffed may return with an offer and Napoli have made it clear that they too are interested in making an offer, but the interest of Juventus, Monaco and Arsenal has waned - as the interest of Manchester United may have done. It is unlikely that any move will happen before the summer or potentially January 2018 unless an over the odds offer is made. Liverpool had a scout present at a Santos game in November (as did Zenit, Benfica and Kashima Antlers according to Santos) and that may be the cause of the report regarding Liverpool interest - but I really don't know why they had someone at the game.}


1.) 18 Dec 2016 19:46:53
Predominantly left footed so would fit in well at Liverpool where he would probably get game time so hope this scout at the santos game was there for Maia.


2.) 19 Dec 2016 08:14:50
The Irish independent is a rag, quickest to the line when it's time to tell the killer spider in the bananas tales. (Which began as an urban legend decades ago)


3.) 18 Dec 2016 20:25:26
Thanks for the detailed reply ed002.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

03 Nov 2016 22:54:46
Michael Edwards promoted to role of sporting director. A newly formed position. He will be in charge of all transfer and contract negotiations. He will also oversee player recruitment for first and
U23 team.


1.) 05 Nov 2016 20:19:12
But Klopp will have the final say on any transfer.


 

 

16 Sep 2016 18:55:36
I am hearing Firmino is out. Will these injuries ever stop.


1.) 16 Sep 2016 19:38:13
Yeah plagued aren't we!


2.) 16 Sep 2016 20:30:48
Someone mentioned earlier how Atkinson always seems to be a problem for Liverpool. Ivanovich stepped in Lallana's foot three times in 10 seconds, one of which was clearly intentionally. No card. Then he slams Winaldjum over, and yet Atkinson still holds back the card.

Not conspiracy, just observation.


3.) 16 Sep 2016 20:38:54
Lovren. Henderson.

I can't contain my happiness.


4.) 16 Sep 2016 20:48:56
The difference being that even with him out our front three is still immense and not weakened!


5.) 16 Sep 2016 20:23:48
Luckily we got another Brazilian who can step up.


6.) 16 Sep 2016 23:32:51
Don't think Atkinson did too bad, two bookings in a game with Diego Costa in and I don't feel the two given were particularly bad, Lucas' was soft and Willian's for moaning.


7.) 20 Sep 2016 13:29:15
He did a good job of not giving cards except Ivanovic should have been sent off for that stamp.


 

 

10 Sep 2016 15:43:47
Anyone hearing that Lovern is injured and won't play. If so i presume Lucas will slot in there.


1.) 10 Sep 2016 17:17:19
Why? When Klaven is on the bench?

{Ed001's Note - because Lucas is better.}


2.) 10 Sep 2016 17:23:25
Have you seen lovrens eye?

Ouch.


3.) 10 Sep 2016 18:21:13
You sure Lucas is better ed lol.

{Ed001's Note - yes. One mistake doesn't change my opinion. To be fair he shouldn't have had the ball in the first place to make the mistake.}


4.) 10 Sep 2016 19:01:21
Ed's any comments on Wijnaldum's performance, he makes Shelvey look better.

{Ed001's Note - he is still getting used to the way we play. I will judge him after at least 10 games.}


5.) 10 Sep 2016 20:17:20
Looks like goals from midfield may be our saving grace this season, if you count firmino as a midfielder like he was today, all our goals in the league have come from them. Playing the two either side of a sitting midfielder looks good with the fluid front three. Although, that side with coutinho in for wijnaldum looks best for me, with can Karius and lovren coming back in.
Actually think lallana suits that position, he's added a few goals too, so not sure what i'd do with can, still think he's the better option mind. Wijnaldum will Get lots of game time I think, with Stewart covering for hendo and wijnaldum for the other two. Hard to see grujic getting much time mind, which is a shame.


6.) 10 Sep 2016 20:22:05
I fear a bit for Lucas now Ed 1. Klopp has shown he is ruthless. That mistake could've changed everything today. I hope I'm wrong because I think Lucas is a really good player.


7.) 10 Sep 2016 20:28:56
Wijnaldum was. good today. Links play well with little passes that keeps the ball moving. Just needs a goal then we can move on from criticizing him after we moved on from criticizing lallana.


8.) 10 Sep 2016 20:51:57
If Klopp was that ruthless Sunshine, then we'd only have Matip available to play in defence because everyone else has made mistakes.


9.) 10 Sep 2016 21:10:32
I'm one of Wiji's critics but he was much better today. Lucas made the mistake, not Mingo because he was the one who took his eye of the ball and then compounded the error by inadvertently passing to Vardy in panic. That's on him and he knows it. However, Lucas didn't put a foot wrong throughout the game after that and his sense of anticipation, positional awareness and experience allowed him to cut out a few counters and marshalled Vardy very well.

{Ed001's Note - the initial mistake was still Mignolet's in passing the ball to a man who was being chased down with nowhere to go. It was a double mistake.}


10.) 10 Sep 2016 22:07:12
Shame for Lucas as he had a good game apart from that, still he has more assists than Pogba this season.


11.) 11 Sep 2016 00:55:50
Completely agree with Ed. Lucas made a mistake but Mignolet should have calmed down assessed the situation and not passed to him given where the Leicester players were.

That being said his reading of the game; being in the right position for most of the headers and distribution was excellent. Given Lucas and Milner not being defenders between them and Henderson I thought they worked very well together.

Not sure how Lallana got man of the match on Sky; too many tricks in the wrong places and giving the ball away.

Oh my when Frimino took that ball down in their penalty area - he at times (as did the team) looked frightening in attack!


12.) 10 Sep 2016 23:54:20
Klopp said Lucas was brilliant today, and he was. He made a big error, but didn't let it affect him.

Lucas did have somewhere to go though. He took a poor touch and lost control of the ball. Blaming Migs for it is pretty ridiculous. Unreal that the lynch-mob want to blame him for everything. Agree with Hamilton Red 100%. How could I not!


13.) 10 Sep 2016 22:00:35
Well said Ed 001. Poor judgement yet again from Mignolet. On another issue entirely, I'm getting old now so there's probably a really good answer to this, but what's the fascination that GKs have with punching the ball. Simple physics says that when two roundish objects (fist and football)! collide the free one can head off in any direction with at least a high percentage chance it will go to the opposition. Do they not teach GKs to catch s ball these days and then distribute it sensibly (rather than give a team mate the equivalent of a hospital pass!


14.) 10 Sep 2016 22:56:58
You're reaching ed001. That's Lucas's fault hands down. Klopp wants the players to play it from the back. Lucas gifted them the goal. He had plenty of time to make a better decision. He just took a horrible touch and then tried correcting it with an even more horrible one.

{Ed001's Note - I am not reaching, it was a bad error by Migs. Yes Klopp wants his team to play that way if possible, but all the other times he didn't make the pass because of the defenders being closed down. Why do it then? It was his error. You are simply blind if you can't see that was a mistake by Mignolet. Lucas made a mess of it, but he should never have been placed in that position in the first place. And don't talk crap about him having plenty of time, he clearly was not expecting the pass and was preparing to move forward when Migs suddenly takes it quickly at a time when we were dominant and should have been taking our time over everything and keeping it calm. Again a mistake by Migs.}


15.) 11 Sep 2016 04:37:27
He had plenty time to control turn and find a pass u see many of keepers passing that same ball. He took a poor touch his 2nd 1 was a tackle. Hopefully that's karius back in now tho anyways with lovren so it's all good. A very good win.

{Ed001's Note - look again, he wasn't expecting a pass, he was about to start jogging forwards, which is why the touch was so bad as it was an adjustment while trying to look round and see someone to pass to. As for plenty of time, if he had so much time, why was his second touch a tackle? Ridiculous to suggest he had plenty of time, he was being closed down before the ball was passed to him.

It was a bad touch, he made a mess of it, but he did not have plenty of time or he would have had time to recover. I don't even see how anyone who watched it could suggest that he had plenty of time. Mind anyone who thinks a guy on the edge of his penalty box should turn with the ball is obviously not thinking straight. He was looking forward when the ball was passed, so where do you want him to turn to? What a ridiculous thing to say. It was quite clear there was no one to pick out as everyone was setting for a longer pass due to Leicester's closing down.}


16.) 11 Sep 2016 06:41:50
This is not the first time Mignolet has put his defenders in a difficult situation with foolish passes. In fact, he tends to do it several times a game.

Yes - it may be part of team tactics. But the players on the field must have game intelligence. Otherwise tactics are useless. Mignolet lacks that.


17.) 11 Sep 2016 07:15:16
Fact is the goal was against the rules and shouldn't have stood, so it's only the officials fault.

{Ed001's Note - no, you still have to look at what went wrong and look to fix it from your part, so that you do not have to rely on officials. Shanks made a big thing of that, after the officials cheated us versus Inter Milan. He wanted the players to do it all themselves, so that the officials would not be able to cheat us ever again.}


18.) 11 Sep 2016 08:05:05
I would also add that the weight of the pass from migs was poor which gave Lucas less time.


19.) 11 Sep 2016 09:10:14
Why have a pop at Gino this game? It was hardly vintage but his assist, followed minutes later by tracking back the entire length of the field for an excellent last ditch tackle on Marhez, showed what he was about and what he will be able to do when he's fully integrated.


20.) 11 Sep 2016 09:26:26
Wow - impressed Ed001, who can forget that dark night for a refereeing in May 1965. A week after my best ever Anfield European night on May 5th ( bunked off school in the afternoon to be there in plenty of time ) Reuben Bennett did an article in the papers some years later with alleged proof that the referee benefited financially for his performance in that game.

{Ed001's Note - I wasn't born, it was just something I was told about by a few of the people involved in it. Shanks mentioned it a number of times, he used it to push on the players sometimes.}


21.) 11 Sep 2016 12:47:05
All Lucas had to do if he was under too much pressure was step inside the box to control the ball. Migs was well within his right to pass him that ball. I don't rate migs I want him out the side asap but this goal was entirely lucas fault. A composed center back would have just stepped inside the box and there would have been a retake. Pressure from the pass is a nonsense argument because there was none. It was a good pass to a good player who had plenty of time to decide what to do unfortunatly he wanted 3/ 4 touches and then lost his own composure. For an example of jon stones would've received the same pass with the same pressure the same ending wouldn't of happened.

{Ed001's Note - oh don't talk crap. If he had stepped inside he would have risked a ref giving them an indirect free kick, as some refs do that. You clearly are blind, everyone made to go forward and Migs rushed a pass that he should have taken his time on. Your argument is the nonsense one.}


22.) 11 Sep 2016 13:45:11
Not to mention that last season Stones made more errors leading to goals with the ball at his feet than any other defender last year.


23.) 11 Sep 2016 15:50:45
To be fair it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Mignolet stupid to pass to him and then Lucas messed up. However how many brain farts has Lucas made that has directly cost us a goal? Not many that I can remember. I think one uncostly mistake can be overlooked. Mignolet on the other hand.


24.) 11 Sep 2016 16:53:06
I'm watching a replay now, and Ed001's assessment is far from accurate. Lucas was making starting to make a run forward- he was stationary and facing Mignolet when the pass was made. All of the other defenders, rather than making runs forward, were facing Mignolet. The nearest player to Lucas, who was prepared for the pass and makes a move towards the ball when the pass was made, was Okazaki who was c. 15 yards away. The only other Leicester player within 15 yards of the Liverpool box was Vardy, and Milner was open for a pass from Lucas and facing him. Lucas took a heavy touch while facing the ball and moving slightly towards it, then panicked. The incident was entirely his fault, and to blame Mignolet is entirely unfair. Ed001 said to watch it again; I have repeatedly and can see that his version of events in inaccurate.

{Ed001's Note - bollox. No one was set for passes, no one. Mignolet had not played a quick ball out once before that, so no one was ready, they were all looking to draw Leicester out, then run forward. Lucas took a terrible touch, correct, but Mignolet was also to blame for playing the pass. Why was he rushing when we were on top and dominating? That is completely against the instructions that Klopp has constantly banged on about controlling the game when on top.}


25.) 11 Sep 2016 21:30:34
I really think you need to watch it again. Lucas was clearly ready for the pass, he saw it coming and anticipated his reception of it. He just got that bit wrong. It was a simple mistake. I'm watching it again right now. I would urge every other poster who blames Mignolet to do so too. This was not a blasted pass, it was gentle and getting slower as it approached Lucas. And Okazaki was actually at least 18 yards away at that point. The blame is entirely on Lucas, and I genuinely cannot understand why you are so vehemently defending your position, when it is so obviously wrong.

{Ed001's Note - well clearly you are blind if you can't see the problem with it. You have completely failed to understand my point. So why waste my time talking to you as you haven't clue what I have said, it obviously went right over your head because you are too busy looking to absolve Migs of any blame. You are too blind to even realise you are pointing out the biggest error he made - gently rolling it so slowly that it meant Lucas was getting closed down by the time the ball reached him. Pointless this discussion, you have missed the point repeatedly, no one is even trying to say Lucas is not to blame or that he didn't make a mistake. The point is he should never have had the ball in the bloody first place. I give up as it is such a bloody simple point yet it completely escapes you.}


26.) 11 Sep 2016 22:34:05
It amazes me that after such a great result and a fine performance, the main talking point on everyone's mind is the oppositions goal! Which turned out to not be very costly at all. Can't we just enjoy a great performance that on a even better day could have seen us net at least 3 more goals? And let the coaching staff concentrate on the mistake which I'm sure they will.


27.) 11 Sep 2016 22:46:32
Funken, that may be true that Lucas looked like he had time to receive the ball but if you look at it again. Ed may be right here. On this thread, I blamed Lucas for the goal but Ed said it was a mistake first off by Mingo so I watched the play overseas and over again. Mingo places the ball at the corner of the six yard box and then doesn't even survey the pitch to see how LC set up to press. If he did, he would have seen that Okazaki was between Lucas and Hendo about ten yards out because as a striker, that is how you position yourself to make the other team go long instead of passing out of the back. Any good GK would have surveyed the pitch first before deciding to pass out or go long but Mingo doesn't do that. He just places the ball down and passes to Lucas without looking. Lucas already sees Okazaki before the pass hence, doesn't expect it to come. It comes and Okazaki is already on top of Lucas. He panics and the rest is history. I see where you are coming from and where Ed is coming from hence, it was a double mistake. We move on.


28.) 12 Sep 2016 00:29:28
Well I've just watched it, again, and personally feel it was all Lucas. He 'appeared' ready for the ball, and controlled it just fine, had ample time to simply play it back to Migs if needed however took his eye off the ball, went to drag it back and maybe use Milner or Wijnaldum who was coming short but just ended up touching it forward, which then resulted in his panic toe poke across the goal.

True Migs rushed into passing it to Lucas when it wasn't neccessary at all, but that's where his blame ends as far as I'm concerned. I can only assume he wanted to keep possession short and simple as opposed to a long goal kick and losing the ball. Just my 2cents.


29.) 12 Sep 2016 02:30:03
Migs made a really bad decision passing the ball to Lucas. Lucas made a mess out of it but Migs set it up.


30.) 12 Sep 2016 04:45:27
Wow, someone's getting ed001 riled up! 😂😂😂.


31.) 12 Sep 2016 12:21:19
Come on Ed, i think we all know what Lucas should have done.
With the underweighted pass from Mig he should have shimmied left but cut back inside towards his own goal, then with Vardy changing direction to close him down nut megged him running past him to collect the ball, now with the other 8 Leicester players charging him in a wall unit he should delicately chip the ball over them diving through Huths legs to get up and dribble the ball to what would be an open goal as Kaspers laid on the floor somewhere near the half way line. Now ofc his finish should be a 35 yard screamer that comes off the underside of the crossbar.

Now let's also not forget Ilori would have done that.


32.) 12 Sep 2016 13:51:53
It was Lucas fault. He's a professional footballer, that was Sunday league. I'm sure he's been under more pressure than that and not lost it. Okazaki wasn't even on top of him.


33.) 12 Sep 2016 19:35:00
Should of put it out for a corner instead of toe pokin to Vardy.


34.) 12 Sep 2016 23:57:02
OMG Migs getting the blame for this, have this match recorded and have watched this incident loads of times, all the blame is on Lucas, without a doubt completely his fault, had all the time in the world. ED001 you are wrong, watch it again without your biasness, no doubt you will insult me now and tell me i know nothing about football. I have been involved in football of all levels for a long time and completely the fault lies with Lucas. Not a CB so it somewhat explains his mistake but to blame Mingolet. Sad really.

{Ed007's Note - Cool mate, so what Champions League clubs or international teams have you been involved in? You must have some cracking stories from through the years.}


35.) 13 Sep 2016 01:49:30
By inference i blame the referee for blowing whistle to start game, bcos had he not blow the whistle, there will not be chain of events that cause mig to pass the ball to Lucas.

{Ed007's - If only John Houlding hadn't took the huff....


36.) 13 Sep 2016 03:28:44
I love the fact that even though we won the match scoring 4 goals that could have been 5-6 . We are still on here moaning about something that in the end had no effect on the result .
I'm sitting here a happy fan enjoying a great result against last years champions .
Bring on Chelsea.


37.) 13 Sep 2016 11:30:35
Agree pscicosis, great result and if we can beat Chelsea then our start will suddenly look very food indeed. Lucas makes the team better IMHO.


 

 

 

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28 Mar 2017 07:47:35
Rakitic plus £60 million for Coutinho sounds good too me . but paper talk is made for the gullible like me 😂.


1.) 28 Mar 2017 10:50:45
I'd say it would be around the 40 mark plus rakatic as much as i love Phil i already think he's already swaying towards going to Barcelona he's lived there before and the climate better than here plus all south American players want to play for Madrid or Barcelona hopefully he stays but unfortunately we don't have the pull anymore with clubs like Madrid and Barcelona.


2.) 28 Mar 2017 11:19:40
Eds, How often do player plus cash deals actually happen? Every time I read swap rumours, I tend to dismiss straight away.

{Ed002's Note - Not very often. You will also see the words "going the other way" but generally it refers to two separate deals. However, Both Real Madrid and Barcelona are fond of trying to do business on the basis of player/players plus cash - or even offering club an option of one out of three players plus cash in exchange. In some cases they do this as it is easier than negotiating the sale of players and in others it is simply that they don't have the money.

As an example, Real's original approach for Dybala was two players plus some cash. So you might see two deals between clubs for players but more often than not they are unrelated.}


3.) 28 Mar 2017 11:53:41
Reckon the players being offered as a makeweight in a deal wouldn't feel very valued.

{Ed002's Note - You cannot force a player to move somewhere he doesn't want to so it is not a big deal. Certainly the two players offered as part of a deal for Dybala were open to a move to Juventus.}


4.) 28 Mar 2017 13:46:01
Surely Barcelona would of asked the players involved before being offered. Could there be any legs to this rumour then ed? My gut feeling is that it's just media fodder again but wondered if you had heard anything?


 

 

21 Mar 2017 09:54:37
I know this will go down like a lead balloon with some but £65 million for Coutinho. I would take all day long.


1.) 21 Mar 2017 10:07:32
First and foremost. I don't see anyone paying that sum for him. Barcelona has money and Couts wouldn't go anywhere unless it Barca.


2.) 21 Mar 2017 10:37:10
At the minute he's non existent so yeah I'd take that.

He's not a winger anyway so I'd take a good sum and buy a winger. Would put him in the middle at the expense of Gini, no way.

That's my 2penve worth.


3.) 21 Mar 2017 10:59:40
Ko lo

No! He would play alongside Wiji and we should drop Lallana to the bench. Couts is head and shoulder above Lallana and precisely He is only second to Silva if deployed in the middle. Buy a winger and play Couts in the middle. Selling him will takes us back to the transitional mode again. He is one of the genuine class we have got with us.


4.) 21 Mar 2017 11:15:22
And replace Coutinho with whom? Is there a player out there with his ability that will be worth the money we get for him? Who may that player be?

It is all fair and well selling him but does not mean we will be able to sign someone with equal quality taking into account that players like Sanchez prefer London over any other location in England. Top players have preferences and Liverpool football club is not the number one destination for world class players.

So then we can go sign Gotze who's career has gone down the pan and be saddled with an overpriced, bad attitude and hemorrhaging of the wage bill.

It is simple to say oh, £65m is reason to get rid of Coutinho when you cannot even provide a solution to replacing him!

Brandt for instance may be a top talent but is not going to walk into the first team straight away if we end up signing him and in no certain terms is at a level to replace Coutinho if he had to leave.

Ed002 in his last sharkopod made it know which attacking players we are interested in and those players could be improvements to the squad depth and first team but not going to be good enough to replace Coutinho straight away.

Get a grip.


5.) 21 Mar 2017 11:24:30
The whole world tips him to be the successor of Iniesta and we play him at Neymar's position. No wonder he has struggled for consistency.


6.) 21 Mar 2017 11:47:45
He is one of our best players, he just needs to be played in the right place, alongside good players, so he doesn't feel the need to try too hard and carry the team.

This bad run of form has affected all of the players negatively but it is clear to see which ones are not good enough. Couts is not one of them. Selling him unless we absolutely had to is a stupid idea.


7.) 21 Mar 2017 11:56:34
Sorry but those saying we couldn't live without Coutinho are living in dream world. Yes he's been a phenomenal player for us but and its a big, but we have lived and survived without better players.

If we were going to utilise Cout's centrally then he'd yes he'd be hard to replace but as a winger then there are plenty of wingers better. One other thing is our knack of not replacing our players properly, if we would go and get a quality player to replace him then I may be happy letting him go but Torres, Carragher, Gerrard, Mascerano, Suarez, Alonso and probably plenty more examples of players we've sold only to replace them with bit part players, potential that may or may not come good.

If we replaced him properly, and I don't mean like for like necessarily bht may be a quality striker and a quality winger and giving Firmino a free role behind tge striker possibly then yeah I would be happy to get good money for him and let him go and live out his dream with Naymar at Barca.


8.) 21 Mar 2017 12:01:07
I wouldn't drop lallana to the bench to play coutinho in the middle, coutinho doesn't have the workrate needed to replace lallana in this system, not by a county mile.
If you where to change the whole system and formation then maybe, but in the current formation and system? No way.


9.) 21 Mar 2017 12:03:17
Doing so would merely contribute to our on going problems as a club which is selling our best players and failing to replace them with like-to-like quality. We sell Coutinho then buy who exactly? And if we're out of the CL who could we sign of comparative ability who would want to even join us? It's a ludicrous suggestion and would only end up weakening the first team.


10.) 21 Mar 2017 12:26:06
Sorry said it for the last 2 season counts is far to inconsistent if we buy a striker then ferminho replaces him lalanna can replace him simple anything over 50 mil snap there hand off.


11.) 21 Mar 2017 12:28:35
Mikey

By workrate you are referring to Running that Lallana does in the team. Phil is a pure genius on the ball. His vision and technique is world class. There is absolutely no comparisons over quality.

Moreover it's the same Coutinho who played in that midfield in 13/ 14 alongside Henderson and he was first class.


12.) 21 Mar 2017 12:45:47
Clearly, sticking by a player during a rough patch is a dead virtue among LFC fans of today. Absolutely pathetic! Couts is going nowhere except Barcelona and even if someone came with 65m and he gets sold, how do you replace him if the player you want knows you are a selling club who can't keep its best players? And who do you replace him with, exactly? We saw what happened when we tried to replace Suarez. The money was wasted on dross for no reason.

You don't sell your best players and yet convince people that you are a top club. Arsenal have been doing that for years and now look how far they have fallen especially with the dreadful signings they've made. Coutinho's talent is well documented and has been very good for us even though he can always improve. It is disgraceful that some fans are kicking him when he's down and want him sold. Pathetic attitude, really.


13.) 21 Mar 2017 12:56:50
He's just coming back from injury. There is a reason why he's being withdrawn after 70mins.


14.) 21 Mar 2017 14:17:21
Last time we qualified for the Champions league we sold our talisman for a lot of money.
It didn't work out well.

If he puts in a transfer request, then he goes, otherwise we should keep our best players.


15.) 21 Mar 2017 13:03:59
You as a club shouldn't be selling your first teamers instead you need to add quality over years and build a team around them. You should look to move out players who are not a part of first team, Starting from Sakho and Sturridge, also Can ( If he doesn't sign a contract extension)

What's the point in securing CL if you are selling your best payers?

Just turn the page around and ask Arssnal how they feel of loosing Sanchez.


16.) 21 Mar 2017 14:06:28
I think you'll find it was Firmino who just came back from an injury. Coutinho has been back for 2 months. It just hasn't sunk in yet because he has been dreadful.

Clearly he is a great player. Potentially a world class attacking midfielder. However he is struggling right now and he will never be what we need as a left winger/ forward.

How can anyone say we couldn't replace Coutinho though? Forget the fancy feints, the curling shots and the cheeky passes. He is currently playing as a forward and therefore his job his to score or at the very least create goals. He has 6 goals (? ) this season. That is less than Lallana who has been poor for 3 months, less than Milner who plays left back, just 1 ahead of Wijnaldum who plays much deeper, and just 2 ahead of Can who hasn't been first choice for over half the campaign. How can you justify his position because "he is good to watch"?

He is not scoring enough goals, his set pieces are as appalling as the rest of the squad, and to be quite frank he doesn't even put in the effort that Firmino does to (in some respects) make up for his lack of end product.

Mane has twice as many goals as Coutinho, and he went to Africa for a month so let's not use the injury as an excuse. 6 goals is atrocious for a forward. It is even worse when you factor in that he scored 2 of those on the opening day of the season and hasn't got anywhere near that performance since.

Should we try to sell him? Of course not. He is still relatively young and clearly has world class potential as a playmaker. However, if Klopp doesn't see him as a centre attacking midfielder, then he is just an average left forward to us; who a team willing to accommodate him in midfield would pay handsomely for. Klopp needs funds to build a squad in his image and selling Coutinho could fund an entire overhaul with some good scouting. If Messi gets over his superiority complex, and Barcelona offer us £50m upwards, Liverpool is not in a position to reject that kind of money for a 25 game a season player who goes 4 months at a time without a goal.

Set up the team to play him in midfield or sell him to reinvest in weaker areas of the squad. It is that simple. I hope we do the former and Coutinho goes on to be a Liverpool legend. However I expect the latter.


17.) 21 Mar 2017 14:27:08
We should not be selling our regular first teamers unless it's obvious they're not good enough - Coutinho may not be in his best position on LW (think he's better in midfield myself) but he's a top talent and still improving too.

We should really be looking to retain players like him and it's hard to replace regardless of money.

The one thing Klopp got right last summer was selling only players we didn't really need or play like Skrtel, Ibe, Allen, Benteke, Balotelli. likewise this season we should keep all our preferred first team and sell only those that aren't first choice (eg Sturridge, Leiva, Moreno, Markovic etc. ) to strengthen with 3-4 top players max.

{Ed002's Note - So why would players join knowing there is no chance of first team football. This makes no sense. If a club wants to bring in good and talented players in then there needs to be space made.}


18.) 21 Mar 2017 15:22:52
I can see perhaps

1) a new CF brought in to compete with Firmino (playing Firmino in more defensive games and the CF as a different and complementary style of player where we need a finisher) - Sturridge clearly isn't trusted anymore
2) a winger to compete/ rotate with Coutinho or Mane because we look exposed when they're away/ injured and for all their talent the youngsters need another couple of Seasons
3) a FB to compete or rotate with Milner and possibly even a CB

That will strengthen the side substantially and allow us to rotate players as will be needed for Europe assuming we get there. Feel there should be plenty of games to allow first team Football for the above while any other rotation (cup games/ injuries) could be done from the youngsters we already have.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp does not change his style nor does he rotate players except for the league cup type games.}


19.) 21 Mar 2017 16:22:50
I honestly don't know if id accept £65 million for Coutinho i like the lad so im biased towards keeping him. BUT anyone whom says the club can't survive without a player is absolutely nuts as long as he replaced yes it might affect short term but if right player purchased our club and any club moves on.
actually as im writing this an interview i seen or read about jumps to mind when the liverpool fans where so down because keegan was going to hamburg and paisley says not to worry we got a wee lad coming from scotland. Well we all know whom that was, if klopp could pull a signing off like that id sell him for %65 million gladly but the transfer market is a gamble no matter who you buy and sell.


20.) 22 Mar 2017 12:51:40
Bruffio, the question is not whether the club can survive without Couts. We sold Suarez YET we are still here. The issue is that you can't want to compete and attract good players by selling your best players. It makes no sense and it is sending the right message. We sold Suarez. We tried to get Sanchez and offered more in transfer fees and wages than Arsenal did. If you think Sanchez did not look at us and say, "they just sold their best player. Who's next? Who am I going to play with? Balotelli and Lambert? No thanks". And we all know how dreadful that season and half of the next went for us. Klopp has come in and ridden the ship to the point that if we get CL this season, we may be able to attract good players cos not only can we keep our best, we will be able to get more good players in cos we have a well-respected manager known all over Europe as a winner who plays devastating football and terrorized Europe with his Dortmund side not too long ago.


 

 

19 Mar 2017 18:25:58
Silly lapse in concentration AGAIN let City back in it, considering how we played in the last 20 minutes i will take a point. What miss by Lallana as well.


 

 

13 Mar 2017 22:24:37
Eds or anyone, If Leicester win the champions league do they take the 4th placed team's champions league spot ?

{Ed002's Note - No. Why are you struggling so much?}


1.) 13 Mar 2017 22:33:09
No just an friendly debate with someone. Lol.


2.) 13 Mar 2017 22:45:05
The top 4 qualify.
The ONLY exception is when 2 teams NOT in the top 4 win the 2 European tournaments.


3.) 13 Mar 2017 23:41:09
If city finish 5th or Leicester city win the champions league and United win the Europe league then who finished 4th does not get champions league football.


 

 

12 Mar 2017 17:53:17
3pts not a great performance but we did battle well in the 2nd half which is a plus.


1.) 12 Mar 2017 22:33:51
We have won ugly. Onwards and upwards.


 

 

 

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24 Mar 2017 22:47:49
Was at the game it was a terrible tackle, he won't be playing again this season.


 

 

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06 Mar 2017 12:21:43
Seriously i think your just coming in here with a bit of bitterness after he has had a couple of good games. If that was the true story we would have heard about it long ago.


 

 

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19 Feb 2017 08:10:05
Why would we buy a Bayern and now a BvB reject. We need to get rid of average player's not buy them.


 

 

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14 Feb 2017 15:28:38
Yes let's buy Utds seconds, that's going to win the league.


 

 

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09 Feb 2017 09:20:21
Most consistent player! He hasn't had a goal or an assist in over 5 weeks. Too say he is one of our consistent player's is way of the mark. He had not being anywhere near consistent since he signed. He is close to equaling his Southampton goal scoring record, so 9 goals a season is good enough for an attacking midfielder if he gets to 9.


 

 

 

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15 Mar 2017 19:01:09
I think we should be concentrating on defensive players as a priority it's no good having all the offensive talent in the world, when you can't stop the ball going in the other end.


 

 

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13 Mar 2017 22:33:09
No just an friendly debate with someone. Lol.


 

 

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09 Mar 2017 08:33:15
Over 120 games for Arsenal and only 9 goals, No thanks.


 

 

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06 Mar 2017 12:29:17
Just said that on the other posts page.


 

 

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04 Mar 2017 12:00:45
Klopp will put the exact same team out tonight bar maybe Klavan in for Lucas, we just don't have the squad to handle injurys. On a lighter note i was reading the sports headlines as i was about to have my breakfast this morning it said " Liverpool are going to spend big in the summer" i nearly choked on my boiled egg with laughter. It's great to have a bit of humour to start the day.