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03 Feb 2015 13:54:54
Afternoon Eds - I was just wondering whether someone could shed a bit of light on the Delli Ali debacle. I was under the impression that an agreement had been made in principle with MK Dons during the summer. Apart from Hendo, we have no box to box midfielder, we now effectively have 4DM's in Lucas, Can, Allen and Rossiter emerging, 2 creative mids in phil and Lallana and 1 box to box in Hendo. This guys a red, his heros Gerrard, he's 18, undoubted quality and at £5 mill surely ticks the transfer policy criteria. Is the lack of activity a clear indication that Ted and the committee can no longer be entrusted with a cheque book? Or does any activity moving forward hinge on shifting Borini, Balotelli, Alberto, Aspas, Coates, Enrique, Lambert and Allen?

Ozone

{Ed002's Note - There was no agreement in the summer but there was interest from Liverpool. And no offer was made. This past couple of weeks MK Dons and Newcastle agreed the sale of the player with a loan back to the end of the season. At some subsequent point before contracts were signed, the player opted out of this - thereby opening the door for a move elsewhere.

The summer will see much depend on the sale of players - and they may decide to sell some before the end of June to improve how the accounts (FFP) look for this season. Liverpool cannot afford to abuse FFP any longer.}


1.) 03 Feb 2015 23:25:50
Allen isn't a defensive midfielder, he can't tackle for starters, not actually sure what his actual role is?


2.) 05 Feb 2015 17:47:03
Can and Hendo are box to box midfielders, Lucas is a defensive midfielder and Allen is [supposed to be] a playmaker.

In my opinion we should sell Allen and replace him with someone who brings more to the table. Someone who can do more than just "recycle possession". Schneiderlin for me, brings defensive qualities and ability on the ball and could either play centre midfield or defensive midfield.

Henderson, Can, Schneiderlin, Lucas and Rossiter would be a sufficient number of players competing for 2 places.

Red Rum


3.) 05 Feb 2015 18:51:35
Please excuse my ignorance but who is or what is Ed? I've seen it used frequently by posters. Thanks

{Ed002's Note - Editors.}


4.) 05 Feb 2015 19:01:26
sorry ed2 i'm referring to the above post by Ozone. "Is the lack of activity a clear indication that Ted and the committee can no longer be entrusted with a cheque book?"
Thanks

{Ed002's Note - He is referring to The Nose.}


5.) 06 Feb 2015 04:06:00
We already need a DM by the looks of it. If we're selling Allen, then i'd leave that spot for the youngsters instead of going for a new one.


6.) 09 Feb 2015 06:55:23
Liverpool are not ignoring the FFP as Ed002 says. They are well within the rules.

{Ed001's Note - no they are not, you are quite simply wrong.}


 

 

30 Dec 2014 22:33:12
Do you know of any interest in Lavezzi from Liverpool Ed002?

Ozone

{Ed002's Note - None Ozone - you may wish to glance through the posts from earlier.}


 

 

21 Dec 2014 08:15:30
Morning Eds. Question for Ed002, what's the situation with Delli Alli? Numerous reports on the net stating a package totalling £9 mill has been agreed for the Jan window with a loan back to MK Dons until the end of the season but there's been no announcement of this.

What's your understanding of the deal, if any? Given the current problems we're having with strikers, I would have thought an outlay on another loan back would only invite further criticism of Teds/ The Committees woeful management of the transfer budget. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see the kid in an LFC shirt, I think he's a great talent.

Ozone

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new Dele Alli that I am aware of and I am not aware of any transfer having been "agreed". However, Liverpool remain very keen, as we have discussed before, but there is interest from elsewhere including Spurs and West Ham, and particularly Newcastle.

A loan back to his club or elsewhere until, say, the end of next season makes sense. If he were to be at Liverpool I would think he would be no more than on the fringes for 19 months. A good buy for the future as you say Ozone, but his future would need to be mapped out.}


 

 

05 Nov 2014 08:12:52
I can understand the argument that the performance offered an upgrade on the usual defensive shambles; still grave errors in the back four but we looked a bit more competent with the discipline of the midfield and the resultant ability to pick up the second/ lose ball on the edge of the box.

However, to sing from the rooftops about Borini and argue his performance is a case for a start on Saturday amazes me. What did he do besides run diagonally? The lad couldn't trap a bag of cement and I don't think he worked their keeper once!

The only positive to come out of that was the midfield for me. I could see what Ted was out to do and with a bit more quality, we could've pulled off a snatch and grab. If we had a striker who could hold the ball up and run the channels we may have got something. It's the lack of quality up top that's hurting us now. Put Sterling in for Markovic from the start and a striker of Costas profile in that starting 11 and who knows how it may have gone.

Bad bad move neglecting the front line like he has. Question for Ed002 if he's about. If We'd sold Borini to Sunderland for the reported £14mill, I'm presuming we would have brought in another striker.

I know we enquired about Lavezzi and I understand he was available for circa £18 mill. Would this have been something we would have looked at or would it have been the usual punt on a kid for resale purposes?

Ozone

{Ed002's Note - I don't believe that there would have been any other striker beyond Balotelli so Borini would not have been replaced per se. Liverpool are overstocked by one striker even before you look to the capabilities of Sterling and Markovic. There was certainly nothing serious about Liverpool's interest in Lavezzi - who is closer to the likes of Markovic than being an out and out striker.}


1.) How can you slag off borini for last night? He didn't do anything amazing but what u expect when we just thump it out of box and ask him to go chase it for 90 mins i think he may deserve a chance up front with balo but not because of hi sperfomwnce last night and markovic was a lot better last night he showed a bit of promise


2.) We definitely didn't just thump it out of the box for 90mins, and just because Borini looks good in comparison to Balloteli at the minute doesn't mean that he's not the same player we were all offering to drive to Sunderland when they made a bid for him. He's still not good enough, he's just a slightly better option, and that's being kind.


3.) I agree on Borini, the lad is basically a poor mans Kuyt. I wasn't the Dutch fellas biggest fan either as running around a lot and giving 100% should be the bare minimum, it's the quality to go with it we need.
Markovic although young is as soft as they get, my Mother could beat him in a 50/50! I would definitely play Lucas and if he has to play (don't think he does) put Gerrard more advanced. We have to play two up top as Balotelli and Borini are not good enough, Lambert does a job but we need a firing Sturridge desperately.


 

 

 

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22 Jan 2017 16:44:50
Did my previous post attract some hostility Ed's, as the thread seems to have gone?

Ozone

{Ed002's Note - No idea O.}


 

 

03 Sep 2016 09:53:43
Just touching base re the Klopp debate a few days ago specifically with my mate Waro. Yes I hear everything you say there Waro. A mate mentioned that there was in fact other "behind the scenes" issues with the Chilwell deal, which I doubt could be posted on here. With that in mind and given the owners transfer criteria, it looks as though there were few options for bringing in a left back.

Offensively we look good. I said to my mate in the summer after bringing in Mane, we replace Moreno and bring in a good DM in the mould of Gary Medel and we're in business. It hasn't happened and its left me feeling frustrated. As much as I like Klopp I still feel he has blind spots, but unless we're winning everything, I'll find flaws, that's just me. Although we won the game, I feel he got the starting 11 against Dortmund at home wrong and he didn't react to the Seville changes second half in the final. The 433 he opts for here and there is still vulnerable to the 'bus parking' counter brigade and I just hope he addresses this. If, in these 20-30 min spells when we're capable of smashing teams, he then changes and adapts to suit then I think he could take us to glory again. As things stand at this moment in time though, the jury's out for me on his defencive philosophy. Yes I like the look of the new keeper and the centre half from Augsburg but at a glance I'm not sure Matip will cut it, there's a problem with playing either Can or Hendo holding (Stewart's the only lad suited to the role) and the left back situations a shambles. Personally I would've liked to have seen Rossiter and Flanno named in the squad.

Ozone

{Ed002's Note - Klopp has been digging himself a hole recently with his screwing around blocking Balotelli's move (there needed to be intervention to make it happen) and over another recent matter that involved him talking when he shouldn't have been - and that has caused great embarrassment to the club. No doubt he will soon become embroiled in a spat with Mino Raiola who is making it clear to anyone in the media who will listen that he sees Klopp as unprofessional.}


1.) 03 Sep 2016 11:26:37
Isnt that unprofessional of Raiola?

{Ed002's Note - Mino don't see it that way, and neither do the club according to him.}


2.) 03 Sep 2016 12:25:16
If new owners come in klopp won't last 2 mins.


3.) 03 Sep 2016 12:32:22
What club ed.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool.}


4.) 03 Sep 2016 12:59:47
My O My. Seems the honeymoon is truly over for Mr. Klopp. I'd say he's finally arrived in the "hotseat" which is any EPL manager's position. But I trust him and he'll navigate his way through. In the end, it's the results on the field that really matter and count, and I hope those start coming up only roses.


5.) 03 Sep 2016 13:15:47
Mattaldinho - You have any idea what severance pay would be like for "new owners" to pay on a 6 year contract? Good thing you don't manage the "new owners" money.


6.) 03 Sep 2016 13:25:38
Ed002 - 2 questions if you don't mind. 1) If it's okay to discuss it in the public domain, why would Klopp attempt to block Balotelli's transfer if he clearly wanted him gone from LFC? 2) Why did LFC not try to loan Balotelli out (and collect a loan fee) for his final season with us? Is it because nobody was willing to pay his full wages on loan, and consequently us paying him any wages would have been higher than any loan fee received?

{Ed002's Note - (a) Klopp can be difficult and his man-management skills leave a lot to be desired. (b) And end up paying his wages? Klopp had already made it clear in the public domain that he needed to move on - they would have stood a chance if he kept quiet about it - it has been done to death).


7.) 03 Sep 2016 13:35:45
There will likely be no new owners, only a new minority shareholder. Yes minority. This means they do not call the shots on ANYTHING at all, only contribute an opinion. The will not be big enough of a shareholder to command a majority of the board.

They will not be firing anyone unless FSG actually agrees.


8.) 03 Sep 2016 13:40:29
Well it was the owner who thought balotelli was a 50mil mil player so they would.


9.) 03 Sep 2016 13:46:37
Yes my mate who knows people who work at the club has said similar to be honest Ed002. Various things said but 'unprofessional' seems to be a theme in certain quarters of his management. However, could this be merely differences in perception. One mans view of ways to get the best out of resources may not be the same as another's. Regarding Ballotelli Ed002, he deserves everything he gets and if Klopps stance sends a signal to such upstarts then I welcome it. In essence I'd rather have a manager who manages rather than a manager who wants to be the players mates. My over ridding concern with Klopp just now is what I see as flaws in the squad and potentially his footballing philosophy, although I'm with Waro and Ed001 in terms of giving him at least 3 years during which time I hope he proves to the contrary. Yes I'd say Klavans an upgrade on Skrtle and the keeper an improvement on Mig but to stick with a car crash in Moreno and rely on a right winger to play left backs a big no no for me. This should've been addressed as if you take the pace out the team (Mane) we're into this fatal 433 (the most frustrating modern day academic system I've ever had the misfortune of observing) .

In no doubt Klopp has improved players, Lovren, Stewart, Origi and Can. Gruic for me looks quality, Manes class, the nucleus is there, it just frustrates me as there's always something missing. He's endeavoured to strengthen at centre half (not sure on Matip but time will tell) Klavan and Lovren look a decent partnership as long as Klavans not doubling up having to cover left back because of Morenos shortcomings but to over look left back with a car crash like Moreno to me's just criminal and will cost us dearly again this season.


10.) 03 Sep 2016 13:50:35
Okay, thanks Ed002. Appreciated.


11.) 03 Sep 2016 14:42:30
Ozone, I have been saying the same thing about our defense, the left back position has been a major weak spot for far too long, I do rate the young goalie, but it will take a season or two before he is highly rated, I do rate Matip, I like the way he brings the ball out when he can, I think Sturridge will shine in the home games, lots of chances, but not sure on his work rate which Klopp wants,
the fact that he didn't bring in a Left Back, will hit him hard, when/ if we miss out on top four, the fans will slowly turn on him, so much is expected this season, with a lot less games,
I still think we will finish 5th or 6th, too many teams have a better squad than us, take out Mane, and play like we did against Burnley, and let in goals from the full back area, and Klopp will be under so much pressure .


12.) 03 Sep 2016 15:42:59
I don't know how you think Klavan and Lovern look like a decent partnership. They were part of the defence that conceded 5 goals in the first 2 games. Unless you are basing it on something else but certainly not their 2 games together?


13.) 03 Sep 2016 16:18:33
I think when an uncapped journeyman like Alonso goes for 23m there's obviously a huge lack of talent at left back. Chilwell deal is odd and something is missing from our full understanding of it. If we'd of got Medal or similar instead of Wijuldum it would of been a hugely successful window but as it is it's a good window and much needed. Unrealistic to expect everything sorted in 2 windows but definitely moving forward.
Think both full backs and solid dm is all that's missing and possibly a replacement for the petulant swine that's DS.


14.) 03 Sep 2016 14:11:05
Have all our previous successful managers been "professional"? Are other successful managers never "unprofessional"?

I'm sure I could think of a few dozens examples of when they haven't. If he's winning no-one will care, if he's losing it will be used as a stick to beat him with.
At the end of the day, he's an ex-footballer turned manager, what are we expecting from him? I'm not expecting him to be fully versed in business etiquette, there are plenty of pen-pushing paper-shufflers around to do that.

{Ed002's Note - It is unacceptable and it is not doing anyone any good at all. He is costing the club money and embarrassment.}


15.) 03 Sep 2016 14:45:02
Ed002, Raiola calling Klopp a piece of s**t surely suggest that he has a problem with Balotelli going on a 'free'?

All I can say is thank heavens we are finally rid of Balotelli who did not give an arse about LFC while he was being payed healthy wages. Good riddance to him and now Rioala can also go wash his mouth out.

{Ed002's Note - No, Klopp caused the situation and cost the club money - this has been done to death over recent months.}


16.) 03 Sep 2016 16:49:33
By DS you mean Daniel Sturridge? I'm starting to believe that maybe Ed002 is right and we are a terrible group of supporters.


17.) 03 Sep 2016 17:45:25
Ed002, to be fair, Balotelli cost the club money even before Klopp arrived where we still had to pay towards his wages when he went on loan. AC Milan had enough of him too. If he had gone on loan LFC would have needed to pay a portion of his wages again. If I am not mistaken Balotelli still had two years left on his contract. It was a no win situation for LFC irrespective of whether Klopp spilled the beans or not.

It is not like LFC even remotely showed that they wanted to keep Balotelli and was clear he was not going to get game time at LFC irrespective of the manager. If LFC did want to sell Balotelli they would have taken a hit anyway.

{Ed002's Note - One year left on his contract and any chance of a sale went with what Klopp said - it cost the club money. Stop looking for excuses for Klopp - if this were Rodgers screwing up you would be all over him.}


18.) 03 Sep 2016 18:48:47
I wouldn't make excuses for Klopp or anyone else and i am not sure what's even going on fully to be honest, but just a question: How much would it cost to keep Balo on books rather then sell on free?
Genuine question as it seems his wages over a period of time like he has had with us would cost (I imagine) similar to losing any fee we may have got on his transfer?

Again i do not pretend to know, just asking.

{Ed002's Note - The club wanted to sell the player - speaking out ended any chance of that. I made the clear when he took it in to the public domain and completeletely played in to the hands of Mino. Klopp cost the club money.}


19.) 03 Sep 2016 18:51:39
i have to say though ...

{Ed002's Note - If you are going to be abusive you should begin the post, "Speaking from a position of ignorance ..." Gareth. The fault of all of this rests at the door of Klipperty, not the player and not his agent.}


20.) 03 Sep 2016 19:29:56
Steady on ....

{Ed002's Note - You know nothing of the man at all. Selling a player brings income - Klopp lost that income for Liverpool.}


21.) 03 Sep 2016 21:04:01
I have said it before that Klopp is not perfect and he will make mistakes like tapping players up, putting things like the Balo issue in public domaine or giving Sahko the business during a live presser. These things are what is seen as unprofessional even tho, many of us or even Klopp see it that way. Ed is right. He's in the hot seat now and needs to tread wisely when navigating these issues going forward. I also think that the LB situation was a complete disgrace and badly handled. I know it's not easy to just sign a player but if Alonso could get signed for twice the fee Chilwell would have cost, what stopped us from paying the 10m (pocket change, these days) for him? Only Klopp can answer that because it beggars belief really. All in all, the team looks good but issues remain however, other teams have their issues as well so I hope Klopp can adapt and figure things out this season. Keep the faith boys!


22.) 03 Sep 2016 21:13:02
Clearly Klopp narrowed the options when going public on Balotelli and that reduced room for manoeuvre. With Balo's record, any club would have probably hardballed us, but by speaking his mind so openly it seems very clear that any chance of a sale went. As far as Mino Raiola goes I don't care what he thinks. but then again on reflection falling out with agents probably isn't a good strategy, is it?
Regarding his man management skills, I could imagine him being blunt, which could well put some noses out of joint. He does strike me as being honest and forthright: I can also see him being loyal. He was a committed but limited centre back, I can imagine him being very frustrated with Balotelli and also with Sakho: players with more talent than he had, but less application. BTW thanks ed002 for the insights.


23.) 03 Sep 2016 21:16:36
Like I said Irish a Rover, as long as he's not doubling up covering for Moreno.


24.) 03 Sep 2016 22:11:32
I am sure your right Ed02. I didn't suggest i did know him and i was merely asking a question which i fully understand you haven't time for, but clearly i do understand selling a player makes more money than giving one away, but that was not what i was asking. I do respect that and all your hard work though. thxs.


25.) 04 Sep 2016 01:17:56
Im not convinced by the argument being put forward here Ed002 re Klopp losing the club money. This is on the belief that someone would buy Balotelli. I've seen no evidence suggesting clubs were queueing to buy. Balotelli has been an open wound for the club. The club don't want him, he's not trying to change that. Waiting 2 more years to resolve is too long - IMHO the right course of action has been taken i. e. meet the problem head on and close the wound.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about 2 years. The club wanted to sell Balotelli and had instructed MR to find options - they gave him an asking price and a lower price they would accept. Then Klopp opened his mouth in the public domain - and I explained on that day he had played in to the hands of Balotelli and MR and that it would cost Liverpool any chance of a sale - he cost the club millions. You keep scratching around for excuses.}


 

 

31 Aug 2016 21:56:26
Ed002 - I note your not a great fan of Klopp. Whilst I've noted some glaring flaws in the way he sets us out and have disagreed with some of his substitutions, I've held back from passing judgement due to mixed feelings. However, with the exception of Mane, this transfer window, in my opinion, has been completely shambolic. A centre half in Matip who can't head the ball, an attacking midfielder who wasn't needed after bringing in Gruic yet the left back debacle and holding midfield positions completely over looked. The insult however is Klopps declaration that one bad game doesn't make Moreno a bad player and that the left back position isn't an issue.

Jurgen:- "how many points did Moreno cost us last season ball watching and if there isn't an issue with left back, why the Chilwell pursuit? ". I'm not sure whether this is fundamentally an FSG issue in not backing the manager with Klopp having no option but to put media spin on a dire situation because of their obsession with money ball and hedging to ensure gilt edged punts, (the £7 mill econometric principle including additional decision making variables as I highlighted at the start of their tenure, 'Alberto' for example to illustrate the point) or just a defensive blind spot in Klopps football philosophy. It strikes me that if project Klopp goes wrong (and it will, we'll finish 7th-8th this season, losing to the same teams for the same reasons), FSG will find it difficult to recruit another manager if still in ownership, as who the hell would want to come and manage under such a shower for owners.

Any chance of elaborating as to why Klopp annoys you Ed002?

Ozone

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with liking him or not Ozone, it is to do with honesty about where he is and where he is going. Klopp is an infectious manager that had some success a few years ago. He is not the messiah everbody thinks and has done pretty poorly in terms of results (a win percentage midway between Hodgson and Rodgers to date) and in terms of realtionships with the playing staff - a decent number pushed aside. I have no objection to him as a person - he is OK. He has flaws I have explained before and I don't see him as taking the club forward too far. The econometric is one of convenience and there is no driving force from the management. The owners have taken some advice over the summer and are probably back to considering the 2017 options as I know the guy who concluded by saying no League win this year - largely naivety on behalf of FSG. Realistically, he has done the same as Rodgers with the buys - screwed the next guy in charge. He has a penchant for opening his mouth and digging a hole. The club have had to deal with a couple of embarrassing issues related to him. There were better choices for the long term. Buy hey.

And it is good to see you back, I have been stuck with Waro as the only real fan for months now.}


1.) 31 Aug 2016 22:59:55
Thanks for the reply Ed002 - I have to say my instincts are very much akin with your summary above. It's been eating away at me feeling negative yet again about an LFC manager but the facts can't be circumnavigated. I can see this season being a complete wash out and feel that Klopps starting to believe his own hype.

{Ed002's Note - I hope not Ozone but I am fearful of a finish just outside of the European places and a League Cup final loss type finish. I am not convinced he can make significant changes involving his need to adapt but there was a while that he had the team performing very well. It is a balance that does not need issues with players so there needs work there still. Fill it full of youngsters and it will hit the buffers. We would welcome more of your input.}


2.) 31 Aug 2016 23:25:03
Cheers Ed002 - we seem to have 20 minute spells in games where we either finish teams off or we don't capitalise and then pay the price because of fundamental flaws. Ball watching full backs, no defensive cohesion, no defensive protection (neither can or hendo are holding mids), poor goalkeeper, square pegs round holes sketch that has hindered us for years. For me, the defence is worse than ever - I don't think we won a defensive set piece on Saturday, Utd will likely bag at least 3 against us solely from set pieces. I can see a few 3-4 nil thrashings from the usual bunch this season.

{Ed002's Note - A good point Ozone, and that is maybe the lesson he has to learn. Get on top and then adjust. I don't see bad players, I see players running and running who are asked to do so. Other sides don't run 12km per player per game because the players get the ball to do that. I agree that the defence has not been fixed at all. The incoming players are mid range. The left back issue was an easy fix but the club screwed around. I am far from convinvced about Clyne. There are some great forwards but Firmino could be better used. Coutinho can split a defence but is not being used that way. I am yet to get a feeling how the season will pan out but I don't see a championship. It would be useful if Waro could give his opinion on this.}


3.) 31 Aug 2016 23:27:19
Agree with Ed002 on Klopp, it's like closet atheists, you want to believe. But deep down u know . 😉.


4.) 31 Aug 2016 23:46:07
Ozone has nailed it for the above reasons I called 6th at best this season. From the opening games I've seen no progression our flaws are systemic off the field as much as on.

{Ed002's Note - There will be a balance - part of the problem is folks publishing tables before 8 or 9 games have been played.}


5.) 01 Sep 2016 00:09:06
Opinions on forums have no bearing on the the problems/ quality of Liverpool FC first team squad.


6.) 01 Sep 2016 00:11:12
Ah well welcome back Ozone. I see that your self-imposed exile from the site has certainly not changed your mood at all! I think you will find that your buddy Waro is way more positive about the season than you, but regardless, I agree with some of the points, particularly about the defending AND the defenders.

It seems to me that Klopp doesn't rate defending as an important part of the game, hence him being happy with 3 senior CBs, 1 specialist LB and RB apiece. To him, defending more than the defenders seem to be the major driving factor; and with the way he wants LFC to play, the defending starts from the front (and hence the preference for Firmino over others in certain type of games) .

Ed002 raises an excellent point about the use of Coutinho; I was rather puzzled the assists had dried up for Coutinho and I thought it was more down the player deciding he wants to shoot more often than pass (perhaps he sees himself as one to take the responsibility? ), but I think more often than not, Firmino being played up top means the chances of threading in through balls etc will be limited, as that is not Firmino's game to run in behind the defence.

As for the recruits, I think it is far to early to write off Matip and Karius, who are certainly improvements over Skrtel and Bogdan. I am circumspect as to how they adapt to the PL (and this will be key especially in the first few matches they play), but I suspect they will get the chances to show what they can offer. I think both of them are decent players, but not outstanding as many here hope. Manninger is a stop gap and is only here because of the loan-rule changes; Grujic will have to work on the defensive side of his game, but looks promising, and again is too early to judge. Mane will be fine, which leaves Wijnaldum who is indeed the odd purchase of the window, but Klopp did want Zielinski, which was again very odd, but I would say Wijnaldum is a definite improvement on Zielinski.

Overall, I think Klopp has a very clear idea on how he wants his teams to play, and I would wait a little longer to see how we play before passing opinion on Klopp.


7.) 01 Sep 2016 12:40:59
hi everybody

I would just want your view Edd1 on how u would use Firminho and Coutinho?

{Ed001's Note - I would move them both back a spot. Firmino would play behind Origi/Sturridge/Ings (depending on the game fitness etc) and Coutinho would be in midfield for me. I know people talk about Couts lacking physical presence, but I remember a number of games when he had a deeper role and he was throwing himself into tackles etc and really stood out.}


8.) 01 Sep 2016 00:48:16
Yes this is what frustrates me Ed002 the fact we're capable of getting on top but then he doesn't adjust to suit. I rate Stewart, I would like to see a midfield of Stewart in front of the defence, Gruic or Can pushing on, mane out right, Firmino left, cout in the hole with Origi up top. I recall the Bournemouth game last season at their place where he played Stewart holding. Ironically that day we dominated but the team was selected by default through injuries. On another day he may have opted for another formation and exposed us.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect there will be many others who support your position Ozone.}


9.) 01 Sep 2016 00:52:18
I have been saying this since the transfer window opened and seen our incomings, what ozone has said is not new.

I have also been consistent with seeing us no better than a top six finish but i have been shot to pieces. I guess i'm not real enough of a fan eh.


10.) 01 Sep 2016 12:45:58
Hi everyone

I just want your view on how best to use Firminho and Coutinho ED002?

{Ed002's Note - Firminho played effectively on the left of midfield or attack in Germany - there are not extra goals in him playing him centrally with Klopp is keen on. Coutinho works well as a central attacking midfield player.}


 

 

12 Aug 2015 23:04:12
It seems Bikini's at it again with his wage demands.

Ozone

1.) 13 Aug 2015 07:49:04
Bikini? who the hell is that?


2.) 13 Aug 2015 09:04:21
Ozone, how about you read what Ed001 has said over and over again that Borini rejected more money for a move to Sunderland and QPR? Or does that not fit with your delusional opinion of the lad?


3.) 13 Aug 2015 09:17:40
Bikini? Another Italian striker we want to demoralise?


4.) 13 Aug 2015 09:25:45
T.cotton why don't you do a search on what Waro has said about Bikini. He sums it up nicely.


5.) 13 Aug 2015 09:30:50
T.cotton
That was an year ago when he thought he would prove at Liverpool. The scenario is different now. He hasn't kicked a ball in an year and if anything else its only money. He will have to start it all over again.
Fiorentina, Lazio, West Ham, Sunderland all are pretty decent opportunities to play football.
He is delude if he thinks Real and Barca would be coming for him. He has every right to screw Liverpool management and he is doing it fine.


6.) 13 Aug 2015 09:34:58
Lols. Borini has always been a toy for Waro and Ozone.


7.) 13 Aug 2015 10:40:10
It's not his fault the club offered him that wage.
He always gives 100% on the pitch and I'd imagine the same is true in training.
I don't understand this constant abuse and undermining of the players and manager. Kids go round calling people names, is that the mental age on the forum now?


8.) 13 Aug 2015 10:45:38
It's unbelievable ozone isn't it? He's seeing out his contract so he can milk as much money out of his next move as possible and most posters on here commend his attitude, just goes to show, " you can fool most of the people most of the time ", gullible isn't in it😕.

I said it at the time of the Sunderland bid, he should have been told he's not got a future at the club, and that if he doesn't move he will train with the kids, similar to what's happening with balotelli, but Rodgers is that arrogant, he welcomed him on the tour of America were he got injured, Rodgers wanting to be proved right about Borini hoping he would play his way into the first team shows how egotistical and arrogant he is and has ultimately cost us upwards of £20 million to satisfy his ego, yet one more reason to add to the looonnnggggg list of reasons why he should have been sacked in the summer. Which also shows the same quality's of these owners in an identical scenario regarding the manager, they bought his BS and continue to back him so they can hope to be proved right, when they should have said, we've been had off by this shyster, sack him and let's learn from this mistake, but NO, just like the manager there ARROGANCE and wanting to be right at ALL times is limitless.


9.) 13 Aug 2015 13:49:06
I would sooner see Borini seeing out his contract compared to never ever playing to his contract like his Italian team mate.

Anyway, Borini is getting slated for being a far better player than Mario and actually trying to play the game.

Blinkered some people.


 

 

24 Jul 2015 23:53:30
I have to laugh over these a Origi comments - "great movement but he needs to work on his finishing"', "blah blah blah but he needs to work on his finishing", "puff pant puff but he needs to work on his finishing". Correct me if I'm wrong lads, but a centre forwards bought to finish, that's his job. Borini moves but he couldn't finish his dinner. Mark my words, Origis no different to David Ngog so don't pin your hopes on the lad,

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1.) 25 Jul 2015 00:50:03
Errr, I am not all too impressed with Origi myself, but comparing him with Ngog is below the belt!
From what I've seen, the lad actually has a good finish when he puts some thought into it (which still isn't too often), it's his movement I find problematic - he simply doesn't seem to position rightly, missing good crosses and passes from the midfield.
There is a lot of energy and power in him, he needs to add tactical awareness and, most importantly, proper decision-making.


2.) 25 Jul 2015 00:17:32
Yeah what an piece of garbage. Almost twenty and not yet world class. No business at our fine trophy winning club.

Give the kid some friggen time. He has just moved to a massive club and is desperate to impress because he knows if he doesn't fans like you will jump down his throat.

Will Origi be good for us? I honestly don't know but I think he has the potential to be an exceptional player. The only way he can become that player is if we don't kick his ass to the curb before he has ever played a competitive game.


3.) 25 Jul 2015 00:32:45
Origi has potential although most of his attributes are currently physical he can work on the other aspects. You're right forwards a generally judged on goals which atm he doesn't look like he's capable of bringing but he can work on it and it's generally expected that things like finishing and positioning get better with age and composure if these things come which I'm beginning to doubt purely based on the fact he doesn't seem to of improved at all since the World Cup in which every 10 chances of so he'd score a goal, he'd run fast, he'd be a physical presence with average feet. He's still that player that's what worries me a little. Borini technically is a huge upgrade on origi currently and is probably a better finisher. Origi can still come good we've only seen him in preseason friendlies remember I would imagine he will score 5-7 goals this season in cup games mainly but with ings benteke and sturridge all scoring 15+ in all comps lallana 10 coutinho 7 hendo 9 (pens inc) Milner 5 firmino 10 ibe 5. I think we can expect to score around 100 goals in all competitions next season. Obviously most of that is complete nonsense and guess work


4.) 25 Jul 2015 04:29:40
I think it is very clear that Origi will need a lot of work done on him to be a PL regular. I foresee a season on the bench for him.


5.) 25 Jul 2015 05:13:30
Brendan Rodgers will regret using Origi and world class in the same line : ed02
Top draw mate. bang on.


6.) 25 Jul 2015 06:57:09
He's still a kid, how many are world class at his age? He has played zero competitive minutes for us, give him some time for gods sake


7.) 25 Jul 2015 09:14:48
I agree but who knows he could make it in a season or 2, he could surprise us all this season but can't see it happening, I'd be loaning him out to preferably a premier league club, get him some experience in the league, he's not used to the league and he is far from the level of what we expect up front


8.) 25 Jul 2015 10:00:13
Totally agree with fencey. How about stop dragging him off. You have seen him in 3 preseason games? Maybe some world cup games. Let him get up to speed before judging him


9.) 25 Jul 2015 16:07:58
Waro, your post is shameful. We all knew the boy is still raw and needs a lot of good coaching. He isn't world class and BR saying it doesn't make it so. He needs some work and many realize that. Slagging him off after four preseason games is a poor excuse for an appraisal of his future development. You should know better than that.


 

 

 

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26 Jul 2017 12:28:56
Coutinho's gone. Jesus what does it take for people to see through the FSG business model.

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21 Jul 2017 15:28:29
Ohhh it's painful it really is. I'm sure there's a thousand and one lemmings like RedDawn out there who can't see the wood got the trees as they know nothing about busines. I give up.

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21 Jul 2017 14:39:01
Let's just clarify here, specifically regarding what Rover posted. Ok if we're not a selling club then surely an offer of let's say £150 mill for Phil and the owners will adopt the same stance as Leipzig specifically if Jurgen sees him as integral in his plans. Agreed? If you disagree then indeed we're a selling club. Phils signed a five year deal. That, on the face of it says he wants to stay at LFC does it not?

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21 Jul 2017 14:31:44
What are you on about Reddawn. The clubs worth a billion, your talking absolute eyewash. On paper they've made a handsome profit. If it wasn't for Brexit no doubt they would've sold and cashed in. Without doubt they won't invest and build on the existing squad to compete on all levels, they'll sell to buy. We lost mane to ACON and folded RedDawn, season over in six weeks. That in itself says the squads not good enough and needs investment. We have European commitments next season and if we don't build on the existing squad the campaign will end up like Teds after Suarez.

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21 Jul 2017 14:08:25
Oh and before anyone starts, I'm not saying Robertsons a bad buy, good addition to be fair but classic FSG punt. They've not all unfolded that way - Bikini, the neck!

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25 Aug 2017 17:36:46
You obviously don't understand The FSG business model then matey. I can guarantee no more signings. Well maybe one or two £7-£12 mill punts like your solanke's, who for the record isn't a Klopp buy as he openly said he knew nothing of him until we signed him.

That indicates to me that Klopp doesn't have a great say in signings it's the same old moneyball concept I outlined at the very start of FSG's tenure but got mocked because it was seen that they 'saved us'. Anyone who thought we'd bring in Zkieta and VVD without selling Cout were in dreamland.

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22 Jan 2017 23:54:30
No sweet I rate Wijnandum, he's effective in the right system and that system has to be driving forward and hard press. He seems to me to be potentially one of he bedt in the business for the modern 'water carrier' role but in a static midfield he's pointless as he serves no purpose. When Emre plays Wijnandums non effective. We need another attacking midfielder in the mould of cout Emre Cans a classic 442 midfielder. He's similar to Lucas looking gor the side ways pass which consequently relies on good wingers. Lucas came into his own under Kennys 442 but got cut short with the injury at Chelsea. Emre never has and never will be a Klopp type midfielder.

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22 Jan 2017 17:18:53
Ron Keague - would you be happy with emulating Arsenal over the past 20 years?

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22 Jan 2017 17:17:10
It's painful it really is.

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22 Jan 2017 11:22:19
Sweet chin - my post about wyjnandum asking Suku to define what he does may read negative. It wasn't intended to be negative but to the contrary. I just wanted to know how Suku sees him and his role in the midfield.

I think he's a breath of fresh air and out kante'd kante'd against chavs but he can be non effective when it's pecestrian and he has nothing to link up when the pace and press is taken out of our game with square pegs and round holes.

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