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01 May 2015 16:44:42
Call me ignorant but I don't call Cheryshev a Marquee signing and have no idea why we'd spend another 18mln on a young winger when we have Ibe, Markovic, Sterling and Ojo, Wilson, Kent and others in youth setup. Depay on the other hand would really improve the team and can play backup/second striker and I would call Marquee.

Eds, are we really looking at Cheryshev please or just someone trying to talk up his value?


{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid have had a few approaches from clubs interested interested in taking winger Denis Cheryshev on loan or permanently this summer with Kuban Krasnodar and Real Sociedad both requesting a price. Previous interest from Everton went with David Moyes. Zenit and Metalist Kharkiv dropped whatever interest they had. As for Liverpool, he may well be an option to replace Raheem Sterling if he were to leave, but I am certain there has been no bid at this time. }

1.) 01 May 2015 23:31:27
Thanks, think it's the last thing we need, doesn't fill a critical gap and another unproven youngster.

2.) 03 May 2015 04:15:02
BR is the same guy who says he is building a squad withe money he blows, then says we need marquee players then, he is interested in this Russian kid who is NOT a marquee signing. Moral of the story? If a man talks too much, he lies a lot. He talks so much that he doesn't remember what he actually hence, sounds dumb.



05 Jan 2015 13:53:49
Hi eds, if we lose Lucas and Gerard over the summer, what's the long term plan in centre midfield? Can and Henderson would make sense and perhaps llalana or Coutinho in if we play three? Any idea what BR's plans are for Allen?



{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what the plans are for Allen but Liverpool have a lot of midfield players already. Much will depend on what happens management wise.}

1.) 05 Jan 2015 14:24:15
A fairly well balanced midfield three would be Henderson, Lallana and Can, with a front three of Coutinho, Sterling and Sturridge.

2.) Agree 100%, would like ideally to see a strong DM option (or keep Lucas) to sub in as required. Lucas, Can and Hendo would be a great defensive three while Can, Hendo and Llalana a great balanced/attacking midfield.

{Ed002's Note - Folks need to stop listing players/teams here otherwise the thread will be deleted.}

3.) To the original post I can only hope Allen moves on. Watching many games this season, he lacks pace tracking back, lacks strength. For a passing possession player he seems to lose the ball often and I can't recall him making a forward pass over 6yrds? I also can't recall a single assist?

Seems like a nice bloke but purely football he is nowhere good enough. Wouldn't expect a fee of over £5m either, a complete waste of funds. Depending on how Balotelli turns out, Allen is for me our worst ever purchase

4.) 05 Jan 2015 18:05:33
agreed! allen is a shocking player.

5.) 05 Jan 2015 22:41:29
I still think the best midfield displays I've seen in Rodgers time were two games we lost last season- Man City and Chelsea over the festive period. Our midfield was Lucas, Allen & Henderson. Those three completely shut down City & Chelsea's midfield with the combined pressing of Henderson & Allen and Lucas sitting behind and reading the game.


6.) 08 Jan 2015 00:16:03
Hi guys, I work for a football stats company and can tell you that Allen has both a deceptively high pass completion rate for a midfielder over the last two seasons (87.09%), and also has won more duels than Gerrard. He gets bashed more than he should




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12 Feb 2017 04:10:58
Great to see what is without question our best front 6 together again. Coutinho, Firmino and Mane just work together and smart runs from all over the park. Behind them the 3 works with Llalana for creativity/ movement, Gini for control/ passing and Hendo for defence and control. It just works.

Noticable for the first goal Llalana nicked it back high up the pitch, then Firmino dropped to link the play and Mane runs in behind into the space with perfect timing. Second is Mane/ Firmino again nicking the ball up high and Llalana quickly breaking forward into the box in support. Firmino is unquestionably important to making the whole thing work IMO.

Against sides sitting deep I still question the setup and whether we need more cover against the breaks and a more clinical pure CF, but for games like this with bodies spread all over the pitch, our intensity and ability to use Manes pace into the spaces is irresistable.

Think Can and Sturridge must be sweating on their chances of getting back into the starting lineup.


1.) 12 Feb 2017 05:04:20
Glad Klopp decided to drop Can in the game. Hope he improve himeself though. I still like him.

2.) 12 Feb 2017 06:36:47
The one thing which is clear, Lovren is not the answer to Matip's CB partner. Lucas put in a match winning performance. Pending Lucas's injury, I would be happy to see Lucas keep his place ahead of Lovren.

There is no doubt that we are going to see Klopp ring the changes in defence this coming summer. Whether it be promoting 2 fullbacks from the academy or signing new fullbacks better than what we currently have and most definitely signing another CB on the level of Matip.

Can't see much changes being made to our midfield or to our attack. Sturrdige is likely to go so we probably will see at least one forward being added. Defence is the department which needs to be overhauled. Will also be interesting to see what Klopp decides to do with our GK situation.

3-4 first team quality additions will take our squad to the next level.

3.) 12 Feb 2017 09:04:55
Southampton robbed us for Lovren. He was never good enough. Positinally inept. We just have him time after time after time.

4.) 12 Feb 2017 13:05:41
Zimbo, I like our post. Vs lesser teams who sit deep, we need to be more precise in our passing, a bit more pace in our movement, make forward runs into the opposition defence which will drag defenders out of position hence, creating space for runners from midfield like Wij and Lallana to run into. That is the way to go. Vs Hull, those opportunities were there to do all the above (watched the game breakdown on Youtube with Matt Holland and Phil Neville) but due to lack of confidence or poor attitude, we kept passing backwards and missing said opportunities. Hopefully, this win has instilled some confidence to allow us to take such chances moving forward.



10 Feb 2017 05:07:41
Heads up. long post!

I know this ignores all the great goals we've scored, the chances opposition created but didn't score etc. so it's only a small snapshot, but I've gone over the games this season (courtesy of LFCTV) and just looked at the goals we have conceded to see where they've come from and just how many of them may have been avoidable.

Here's the list (and feel free to correct me if I've missed any) . I've categorized things as either a "Mistake" when an obvious error by a defender or GK directly led to the goal, or "Soft" when it should have been an avoidable goal but for a weak defence, or "Neutral" where I feel it's just one of those things that we're unfortunately going to concede every now again. I've deliberately tried to be generous and recognize goals as "Neutral" where possible

1) Walcott left completely unmarked by Moreno and they score from a poor turnover - Soft
2) Goalkeeper beaten at near post after good run into the box Ox but I gave Migs benefit of the doubt here - Neutral
3) Conceded from a setpiece into the box, Ramsay gets in behind but a good delivery - Neutral

1) Ball given away by a poor pass from Clyne, was a one on two with our CB's but a great shot on goal to score, a bit soft but I'll be generous as a great shot on target was needed - Neutral
2) Ball given away on edge of their box, resulting in a 3 on 3 break against Lovren/ Klavan/ Hendo. more a system issue than any individual - Neutral

1) A ball played in behind Milner, cross over to their LB, Danny Rose scores as Clyne was tracking someone else into the centre of the box and couldn't clear - Neutral

1) Lucas miscontrols the ball at CB letting in Vardy to score - Mistake

1) Matic runs over Llalana to get to byline and crosses for Costa to score - Neutral

1) Corner to middle of the box, Gini challenges but the ball falls to Hull and it's smashed home, but soft as a CB should have cleared it but at least we challenged - Neutral

1) Corner to far post, beats Clyne comfortably and Swansea heads back across goal for Leroy Fer to score from close range - Soft

1) Corner failed to clear first time by Lovren and scored from close range, really should have cleared the danger, was very weak in the air - Soft

1) Soft penalty awarded against Lucas, tackle on edge box, tough call on Lucas by referee - Neutral

Crystal Palace
1) Lovren looped his backpass to Karius and intercepted by McArthur - Mistake
2) Cross from right not blocked by Moreno, Lovren comfortably beaten by McArthur at near post to score, very poor defensively all around - Soft

1) Slip by Milner loses possesion but its followed by a good run into box and shot by Janmaat - Neutral

1) Lovren mistake as fails to clear a big punt upfield with a header, then Milners desperate tackle gives away penalty - Soft
2) Good counter-attack - Neutral
3) Good cross from the right and an excellent stop and shot in the box, shouldn't have had the chance to get it without challenge perhaps, but a great goal - Neutral
4) Cross/ shot spilled by Karius and Ake scores - Mistake

West Ham
1) Payet long distance free kick, Karius left too much space but still a great free kick - Neutral
2) A punt upfield and a deflection was completely misread by Matip letting Antonio in to score - Soft

1) Cross from left, Lovren fails to track the run and beaten to cross by Walters, with Migs also comfortably beaten at his near post - Soft

1) Misstimed tackle by Klavan for a penalty, tough on Klavan as he was left exposed - Neutral
2) Mane stupid handball off a free kick for a penalty - Mistake

1) Ball hoofed forward and a mistimed clearance by Klavan let's in a Sunderland player to pass to Redmond unmarked - Soft

Man Utd
1) Ball pinged across the box a few times until buried by Ibrahimovic - Neutral

1) A corner takes 3 unchallenged touches by Swansea players until its buried by Lorente from close range - Soft
2) Swift counter attack until a interception by Klavan falls unluckily to Sigurdssen - Neutral
3) Overlap then a sharp cross from the left is buried by Lorente. but he scores over Klavan/ Milner who barely challenged - Soft

1) Good breakaway goal from Southampton late in the game, three on three and Long scores - Neutral

1) Set piece where Stearman had a free header from 5 yards out with no-one challenging - Soft
2) Counter attack - three on three and Weiman scores after not being tracked by Randall. Soft as we were a complete shambles in defence - Soft

1) Goal from Luiz after Migs not alert to the danger, wasn't even looking - Mistake

1) First touch from a corner is won by Hull, flapped at by Migs and put away by Niasse - Mistake
2) A breakaway goal with one on two with the CBs - Matip doesn't track the run and Lucas doesn't spot Niasse behind him - Soft

That's 35 goals of which
6 were obvious mistakes
13 of which can be considered soft (being generous here)
Only about half would be considered ones where we put up a real fight but the opposition scored through good play

Also 19 goals were from regular play but 10 (! ) goals were conceded from indirect free kicks and Corners! Compare that to our tally?
6 goals could be considered counter-attacks where our defence was badly exposed. Not as many as I expected but overwhelmingly we were playing lower sides and looked very exposed (panicked? )

Not exactly rocket science but we clearly concede way more regularly from set pieces than we score, we have too many GK errors in there, and we are also overwhelmingly weak in the air in our box vs. the opposition.

Also noteworthy that since Bournemouth we've conceded 20 goals of which 13 could be considered "Soft" or a "Mistake", while before we had a much lower %'age of goals conceded due to errors and only conceded c.1 or so a game.


1.) 10 Feb 2017 08:59:58
How many of them aswel would de gea of saved.

If we want to be top then we have to have a keeper who can grt us ther3 snd you can probably knocl of atleast 10 goals from that list if we had one.

There are loads where it was one on ones and migs just crumbles instead of staying big and th3 ball just rolls past him.

2.) 10 Feb 2017 09:32:01
Think you have been very generous in some places! I won't go through it all because I largely agree, but just in the Arsenal and Burnley games you have 3 goals as Neutral when I personally would have the all down as soft/ mistakes, all with Clyne involved.

First is the Ox's goal where he strolled into our box past Clyne completely unchallenged, then shot straight through Lovren and Mignolet. That is soft.

Second is Chambers header. It was conceded from a free kick Clyne conceded by fouling a player going backwards. Ridiculous decision making. Then when the resulting free kick comes in Chambers heads in unmarked. Soft is nearly an understatement.

The opening goal vs Burnley is just a full on mistake though. Our team is streaming forward looking to go on an attack and Clyne inexplicably tries to pass it backwards, but just to add to it he doesn't look and gives it straight to Burnley who score with Mignolet beaten at his near post.

As is the theme on this site though, this is quite harsh on the centre backs. You have a lot of goals down as soft where your description infers Lovren or Klavan were the guilty party. You don't often mention that the crosses and counter attacks were coming unchallenged after we had given possession away cheaply and left them outnumbered or retreating rapidly.

Our main issues with conceding goals stem from dreadful full back play, and a system with only 1 central midfielder, who by the way isn't naturally defensive anyway. The only other team in the top 6 foolish enough to do this are Man City, and I would hardly say they epitomise defensive solidarity. Chelsea play with Kante and Matic. Arsenal with Coquelin and Cazorla/ Xhaka. United with Herrera and Carrick. Spurs with Dembele and Wanyama. Lallana and Wijnaldum have built careers on being part of the attack. I think Gini has the quality and time on his side to adapt into a deeper role, but as part of a 2 man holding pair where Hendo can talk to him like he did with Can last season. Difference is, Gini is much better on the ball than Can.

We are literally putting Hendo in midfield and then playing with 5 attackers ahead of him, and wing backs who play higher up than Firmino at times. When teams break it is usually Hendo and the centre backs vs the whole opposition.

I think you are spot on with a few points Zimbo where you reference the fact that the system is ultimately at fault. Klopp has to take responsibility for this. We never let Rodgers off the hook when he made Gerrard our holding midfielder and set the defence up to behave like a sieve. We have some very error prone individuals (Clyne, Moreno etc) and some very average defenders some of whom have the excuse of not being defenders (Milner, Lucas etc) . But ultimately, we have Matip, Lovren and Klavan as our senior centre backs all of whom looked great at their former clubs. Mario and Klavan were regarded as steals, and Lovren at the time was rightly rated as one of the best centre backs in the Prem by Eds and Reds alike. Clyne and Moreno always looked average and were bad signings, but when do we stop pointing at the centre backs, and start accepting that our coaching has been shoddy defensively since Steve Clarke left the club? Because he and Kenny had Skrtel and Agger playing as the tightest partnership in the league. They were hardly the personification of error-proof!

Was that time period (the last where our defence was solid) also the last time we won a trophy? Hmm, interesting. As the old adage goes, attacks win games, defence win you trophies. When you see the defence Klopp built at Dortmund, you have to hope he will soon rectify this error in judgement.

3.) 10 Feb 2017 09:43:37
Fantastic post and a good read mate well done.
Even with your long post it's still only scratching the surface of our defensive issues though, so many factors come into it, plus you could argue they are all avoidable in a way. Top post though and a refreshing change from some of the garbage on here recently.

4.) 10 Feb 2017 09:51:52
Good read and agree we could and should have stopped a lot of these goals.

5.) 10 Feb 2017 11:05:00
Actually if you look through the goals, it's not the 1-1s that kill us, it's the crosses into the box from free play or set pieces, that we continuously fail to take care of, that kills us. Migs has certainly been beaten a few times at the near post though which isn't great.

6.) 10 Feb 2017 11:42:20
Thanks for replies and MK agree to some extent system is an issue - when we're in a game with even possession the high press works quite well and we can play with the one deep midfielder, but against sides that sits deep we leave ourselves too exposed with 80% of the pitch unoccupied for the opposition to break into and isolate our CBs. Far more urgent though is addressing the defensive set pieces IMO (again! ), particularly corners.

7.) 10 Feb 2017 13:31:15
Great post, Zimbo and you illustrated everything I've been thinking regarding our goals conceded. We lack edge and bottle in critical defensive situations. Also, some of our defenders are perennially error-prone and so is Migs (Karius has time to learn so his mistakes are part of the process IMO) so to me, it doesn't matter what system we play. If someone will continuously screw up (like Lovren, Clyne or Migs) individually or collectively, we will continue to struggle.

The way we play requires us to defend as a team hence, from the front which explains for most of the season, why we have conceded the least shots on target in the PL while at the same time having the best attack. The prob is that even the goals we concede are not due to being ripped open by the opposition.

It is due to our inability to cut out individual errors to the bare minimum and this is where Klopp needs to improve the system 9or get players who can actually defend one on one situations better) and drill the defence to be more gritty in all defensive aspects (set pieces, counter attacks etc. )

8.) 10 Feb 2017 13:34:08
Zimbo good post. You have detailed what many have said for a long time:
-We are poor at set pieces in attack and defence
-We are poor at dealing with crosses
-We have less than average goalkeeper options.

I dare say you could extrapolate your original post back 3-4 seasons and it would reach the same conclusions.

Fundamentally - we have a big problem with our coaches.

9.) 10 Feb 2017 12:44:57
Drop Henderson for a world class holding player alongside Wijnaldum.

10.) 10 Feb 2017 14:54:17
Lovren was NEVER a 320 million defender and was terrible even in Southampton's good season. Any one who even remotely understands the game knows Southampton saw LFC coming on that one, pants down. I can't think of many who wanted him.

11.) 10 Feb 2017 18:55:29
I have to say, at first glance Mathematics post sounds ridiculous - drop Henderson for a world class holding player.
I wouldn't drop Henderson, I'd drop Can, or Lallana or Wijnaldum, but not Henderson.
However, the point about a holding midfielder is well made. So many of the goals conceded have been from us giving up possession and opponents running straight at our defenders who can't cope. Or they've been cutting inside a fullback, or threading a ball across our back line.
A holding midfielder would cut a lot of them goals out, there's no doubt about that. They wouldn't help set pieces or crosses in the box but it would go a long way to reducing our defensive vulnerability.

Bottom line - we need a half decent keeper and a holding midfielder. Sell Can and Mignolet.

{Ed002's Note - You have two half decent goalkeepers already.}

12.) 10 Feb 2017 19:25:32
Depends on the criteria ed002, in terms of premier league goalkeepers I'd have to disagree with you.
Karius has potential, but our goalkeeping coach will not allow him to reach it.

{Ed002's Note - No, they are both "half decent" Ron.}

13.) 10 Feb 2017 23:11:57
It would be a joke to drop Wijnaldum or Lallana while Can is already out. Henderson currently occupies the holding player so he should be dropped for a better one?
Wijnaldum is a good player when you play him high up and his 2 bullet headers proves that point. He also link ups well, doesn't he? And most importantly he is Klopp's fav player who he bought an year ago. No chance he goes to bench nor Henderson has any role upnfront.

I know it's a difficult confusion but for any new CDM to come in one of Wiji or Hendo goes to bench and that's a bottom line.

14.) 11 Feb 2017 01:22:28
You need to get out more lad.

15.) 11 Feb 2017 15:41:09
Klopp should have got in a top keeper in the summer, and we would have a few more points on the board, and fans would be happy .

{Ed025's Note - less goals..yes, liverpool fans happy? your taking the piss mate.. :)



05 Feb 2017 08:23:39
Another low block, another game with 70%+ possession, lack of a killer touch, another goal conceded from a set piece and another counterattack.

We need to take action over the summer with a top GK replacing Migs, another CB a defensive mid to allow Hendo to push further forward in these sorts of games, and a top striker to replace Sturridge that has the physical presence in the box while being more mobile than Benteke or Balo.


1.) 05 Feb 2017 09:25:32
But every Liverpool supporter except Klopp, knew that these positions needed strengthening months ago, and nothing has been done about it. What do we do next game?, change one clanger of a keeper for another.

2.) 05 Feb 2017 09:49:14
Karius, Matip, Klavan, Gini, Grujic, Mane have started to address the issues but I doubt Klopp would have foreseen how poor Sturridge and Origi would perform during this last 6 weeks and clearly more to be done.

Another thing we shouldn't discount however is at least part of this issue is setup of the team. Clearly we have a team that performs well against better sides where possession is 50/ 50 and we can employ a high press and take advantage of space, but we're haven't figured out how to break down teams.

We don't have a top CF on form that can score goals in a packed box like Costa, Kane or even Giroud. We don't have wide players that can deliver killer balls into the box, except for Mane, we tend to over commit going forward leaving a shaky CB pairing to deal with quick counterattacks and with limited protection, and our GK situation is clearly a mess.

For the next game I think we play 4-3-3 as it's Tottenham and simply replace Can with Gini and Lucas with Lovren, but for the 'lower' teams we need a new strategy and that's either Stewart alongside Hendo so he can push forward more, or even a 3-4-3 and more attacking wide players.



15 Jan 2017 20:57:54
I'll take that despite their late goal - a point against an in form Utd and we looked like we were really up for the fight and also moved the ball quicker through midfield. I also thought we were better with Firmino upfront. Firmino just seems to bring something to our pressing game and you could immediately see him and Coutinho starting to click again.

Both sides created good chances and probably a fair result. Only 7 behind Chelsea and hopefully with Coutinho and Hendo back we can start to find a bit of the form of earlier in the season.


1.) 16 Jan 2017 04:53:21
Firmino is out of the world. The guy runs and presses with the same high intensity and energy levels from the first minute till the last. The guy reminds me of Cafu, the legendary Brazilian RB who played as if he had two hearts (Fergie`s words) up and down the right flank through out his career. His perf today shows why Studge will never play ahead of him in games where the press will be crucial.

{Ed025's Note - hes a good player hamilton, i dont know about "out of this world" but hes a grafter all right..

2.) 16 Jan 2017 07:44:31
he would be out of this world IF he could finish HR, what a great chance he passed up when couts put him through, his current record is 1 in the last 12 and that's not good enough mate, sturridge may not work as hard but at least he can finish, thankfully countinho is back and as we saw yesterday he makes such a difference to us.

3.) 16 Jan 2017 08:31:51
He will be out of this world if he learns to take his chanced

4.) 16 Jan 2017 10:55:41
A lot of people keep saying Sturridge can finish and would have finished this chance or that, but in all honesty we haven't seen that Sturridge for a while, walks around the pitch, spends far too much time outside the box, makes no runs in behind any more, thinks he can take everyone on and twist and turn out of trouble only to lose the ball, and predominantly shoots from outside the box. When was the last time we saw him run full pelt, with or without the ball? This has nothing to do with
Unfortunately I think the injuries have taken their toll on Sturridge, this isn't a Sturridge bashing post, it more a concern that we may have seen the best of him, hopefully he'll prove me wrong, but his recent performances have left me feeling underwhelmed and frustrated and I just don't see him being around next season.

5.) 16 Jan 2017 13:58:20
If you could mix the 2 of them together.

Carlsberg don't do strikers.

6.) 16 Jan 2017 20:44:35
Maybe I did not clarify my post. I meant Bobbie is out of this world regarding his unbelievable work rate and ability to maintain his high energy levels for 95 mins hence, the comparison with Cafu.

{Ed025's Note - i will have that hamilton..



03 Jan 2017 07:20:25
Hi eds (particularly 001 and 002), am interested in your perspectives on Emre Can please.

There have been times when I've been hugely impressed by his potential, mostly
1) when he played RCB under BR for a while
2) when at the base of a 4-2-3-1 but only when alongside Hendo who's mobility, positional sense and passing range complemented his physicality and tank like runs from deep very well

Of late however he seems a bit lost and seems to lack either
1) the mobility, positional sense and passing vision to replace Hendo in our 4-3-3, and/ or
2) he lacks the slick movement of Llalana/ efficiency of Wijnaldum further forward, and his slowness on the ball is proving a blocker rather than an enabler for the forwards

Question is do you see this as just part of his learning curve given he's so young, or do you also worry our current style of play doesn't actually make the most of his strengths and he'll continue to struggle as you can't teach the mobility and agility that our system requires (similar to Benteke for example)


{Ed001's Note - you can develop mobility and agility, but he doesn't need to do so, he can just develop his play to offer us a different option for different opponents. The issue is the slowness on the ball, similar to Lallana in previous seasons, where he is not quite in tune with his team mates. That should be something he can learn. It really depends on his ability to evolve and develop himself. Players can be under the best coach in the world and learn nothing. It is up to them to take the lessons from each training session and match and learn from them.

Right now, Can is not learning, but he is still young and players regularly do go through these downturns in form. Their body has matured, to a large degree, but their mind has got nowhere near that same development level. That is what Can needs to focus on, developing his mind to read the game better, as his reading of the game is appalling, hence why he struggled so badly (despite you being impressed by him) at centre back as soon as anyone actually targeted him.}

1.) 03 Jan 2017 08:48:54
He needs to learn it quick. There are enough players in the academy who are crying out for a chance. Not a big fan of him and I don't know what he brings to the team other than his physique So does sissokho and Wanyama. He has one good game and then go missing for months.
Can has no discipline to play the deeper role nor he displace Lallana or Wiji playing higher up. Klopp is struggling to fit him into the team.

2.) 03 Jan 2017 09:11:35
Emre was poor, is he overweight? Does he look like a long term solution in that position. No. but he's got time on his hands to change.
Did we not win the game because of him? No I don't think so, we did not create enough clear chances considering the domination of possession and shots on goal.
Yes they scored 2 penalties but on another day we would of scored 4.
Lallana dropping deep didn't help as his speed in and around the box was missed, sturridge played well but no one seemed to want to ride his wave and up their game.

3.) 03 Jan 2017 09:31:35
Thanks for the reply Ed - much appreciated and hope he can step up quickly. He has much work to do to fit in the current setup.

Right now I'd rather see Stewart (DM) or Grujic/ Ejaria (further forward) on the team sheet in a 4-3-3, and that's saying a lot given Can is already a capped international player and how much potential I thought he had 12 months ago.

That is unless we go back to a 4-2-3-1 and play him alongside Gini or Stewart.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure he will learn given time.}

4.) 03 Jan 2017 10:01:26
Emre has shown enough quality at times. This is the point of a squad. You are right in that there are others from the Academy or on the fringes of the 1st XI and the Bench that will fight him for his place.
He is definitely not a bad player and I like him in the squad. Nobody is a complete player at 21 or consistently good at that age. The only one who delivers constantly is Delli. and we missed out on him.

5.) 03 Jan 2017 10:07:59
If we don't have Hendo available I think that Stewart should absolutely be starting in front of the defence, not Can. For me, Can plays when he's preferred to Gini or he doesn't play atm, that's the job he does.

6.) 03 Jan 2017 10:17:55
Eric Dier learned that role in less than what 12 months and was arguably the best player last season at the base. I know many don't rate him but he did learn that role magnificently.

{Ed001's Note - Eric Dier had played there before. He came through a youth system that teaches players a number of positions.}

7.) 03 Jan 2017 10:20:54
I agree Harry but I think there's more to him then what we are currently seeing.

8.) 03 Jan 2017 10:36:41
People need to give players time and one or two bad games does mean he's rubbish. You going to get this with young players.

9.) 03 Jan 2017 14:49:17
Ed is spot on. Emre is still a young player and he`s going through what young players go through in their development. To me until he figures things out, he is not a Klopp- type DM for the reasons Ed and others have presented cos he simply is not there yet in his development or is maybe trying to find his best position in midfield.

However, his qualities are more than useful. If he plays next to a DM like Hendo, he is more effective as he can get forward and press, score or assist as he has shown he has that in his locker this season.

I think he should play next to a DM due to his lack of awareness, speed of thought and positional sense, all things needed in order to play the DM position especially, the way Hendo plays it which is exactly how Klopp wants it to be played.

10.) 03 Jan 2017 17:22:12
I have one wish for Can, he needs to develop "coolness" as Klopp would say. He needs to be more composed in possession.

11.) 03 Jan 2017 18:56:43
Spot on eds, I first noticed his exceptionally bad reading of the game while he was playing with Germany. He was well off the pace and not near the level of the German national team.
Anyway, he has not developed at all in the last year or so from what I can see.
I was really excited by his potential when he came in but when you see no progression you start to question.
He's still very very young so I hope in a year or even two he can grow into the player he can Potentially be.




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15 Feb 2017 07:52:53
Competing with Ryan?




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07 Feb 2017 01:00:06
Let's not over complicate this - we're not beating the sides that sit back because our deliveries from out wide are poor, Origi and Sturridge haven't been on form, and we're vulnerable at set pieces and counterattacks. Nothing to do with exhaustion, and all fixable IMO by a better keeper than Migs, a good CB pairing, Firmino/ Origi/ Ings coming back into form (or a new striker in the mould of Costa/ Kane/ Lukaku - I'm discounting Sturridge making it back), and getting some improved deliveries from out wide. Mane has immediately made a difference coming back but we need more from Milner or Clyne. TAA and Juanma could be the answer given time but we'll see.




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06 Feb 2017 03:26:30
Nothing at all - they talk about the club being available for a steal, but that's not a steal from the fans. it's simply referring to the ability to buy it cheap from G&H because they were in trouble after running the place into the ground. Why should we care if they thought the price was a steal from those grubs?

They also rightly point out the value in the name and brand, the fact it hasn't previously been making any money from the international fans/ website, and explicitly mentions investing in the stadium and bringing in the best and brightest to run the club.

The references to administration and docking points were that it was unpalatable and that they liked the Liverpool team after they met them. nothing in those mails points to anything other than the view Liverpool was an attractive opportunity and available on the cheap because it underinvested in before. We all knew that at the time.




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04 Feb 2017 03:46:48
I agree, Karius needed to be taken out the firing line but he's no worse than Migs and has potential to be a lot better. Migs is a decent keeper but hasn't taken his many chances to prove he can keep goal for a consistent period of time without making regular mistakes.




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02 Feb 2017 06:18:31
Fair play but I don't think that's what Klopp has in mind is what I meant.


{Ed025's Note - liverpools biggest problem is the defence zimbo and flanno cant be much worse than whats there at the moment mate..




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27 Feb 2017 15:56:20
I hope it's Stewart but expect it'll be Can.




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27 Feb 2017 15:40:43
I pay for it and think it's great - get to re-watch matches anytime i want and/ or 10mins highlights for when I can't watch the game (rarely) . Plus get to catch up on all the u23s and u18s and extra features. They put a lot of work into it and I for one think it's worth every penny (but then I can't get to anfield much as live overseas so may feel differently vs someone paying for match tickets every week) .




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27 Feb 2017 07:54:58
Agree AG but suspect Klopp will keep Can to see how he develops over another season before making a decision.




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25 Feb 2017 12:19:07
Harry, Karius was rated one of the best GKs in the bundesleague last year. Ward is clearly talented but doesn't have anything like the same experience or proven performance at the top level.

Karius needs time to settle and prove himself, he may have made a couple of mistakes but you can't judge a guy's career after 10 games.


{Ed002's Note - He needs at least 3 years transition.}



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20 Feb 2017 16:33:54
I agree with your analysis Mane but not when to deploy it.

I think the 4-3-3 is perfect against better opposition because the front 3 creates a very effective high press, with the three mobile midfielders pouncing on any loose passes and therefore creating turnover possession high up the pitch that we often score goals off. It works best against teams that come out and play and with relatively even possession stats, with recent Tottenham match a perfect example.

Where 4-3-3 struggles IMO is against the "weaker sides" who nullify the high press by foregoing possession and sitting deep.

With a 4-3-3 setup that means for most of the match the majority of our players are sitting in or around their box (including our fullbacks who sit really high to create width) and we're left playing the ball around the back using our CBs and Hendo. When we turn over possession in that situation, we are often exposed to a 3 on 3 with only Hendo and our CBs facing a fast break with the opposition having the majority of the pitch to run into. Burnley is a classic example where we had most of the possession, created few chances and got stung in exactly this way, and Hull is another.

Against those sides that choose to sit deep, I think a 4-2-3-1 would be perfect, allowing us to use our 2 midfielders to dictate play in a double pivot, our forwards and fullbacks to have the confidence to push forward, and our CBs to sit in behind to provide cover.