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11 Apr 2017 16:49:46
On the BBC sports website : Dele Alli and Eric Dier spotted in Liverpool.

Please oh please tell me he's reconsidered that 5mln contract offer! And Diers coming along too to keep him company.


1.) 11 Apr 2017 19:56:49
Moons made of cheese as well.

2.) 11 Apr 2017 20:38:51
Dier wudnt get on in front of Emre 😎.

3.) 11 Apr 2017 21:14:18
They were here for a night out with Barkley.

4.) 12 Apr 2017 11:23:30
Too bad they didn't provide better cover for Barkley!

5.) 12 Apr 2017 13:21:34
Moon cheese is delectable.

6.) 12 Apr 2017 15:45:06
Knockout evening I heard.



01 May 2015 16:44:42
Call me ignorant but I don't call Cheryshev a Marquee signing and have no idea why we'd spend another 18mln on a young winger when we have Ibe, Markovic, Sterling and Ojo, Wilson, Kent and others in youth setup. Depay on the other hand would really improve the team and can play backup/second striker and I would call Marquee.

Eds, are we really looking at Cheryshev please or just someone trying to talk up his value?


{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid have had a few approaches from clubs interested interested in taking winger Denis Cheryshev on loan or permanently this summer with Kuban Krasnodar and Real Sociedad both requesting a price. Previous interest from Everton went with David Moyes. Zenit and Metalist Kharkiv dropped whatever interest they had. As for Liverpool, he may well be an option to replace Raheem Sterling if he were to leave, but I am certain there has been no bid at this time. }

1.) 01 May 2015 23:31:27
Thanks, think it's the last thing we need, doesn't fill a critical gap and another unproven youngster.

2.) 03 May 2015 04:15:02
BR is the same guy who says he is building a squad withe money he blows, then says we need marquee players then, he is interested in this Russian kid who is NOT a marquee signing. Moral of the story? If a man talks too much, he lies a lot. He talks so much that he doesn't remember what he actually hence, sounds dumb.



05 Jan 2015 13:53:49
Hi eds, if we lose Lucas and Gerard over the summer, what's the long term plan in centre midfield? Can and Henderson would make sense and perhaps llalana or Coutinho in if we play three? Any idea what BR's plans are for Allen?



{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what the plans are for Allen but Liverpool have a lot of midfield players already. Much will depend on what happens management wise.}

1.) 05 Jan 2015 14:24:15
A fairly well balanced midfield three would be Henderson, Lallana and Can, with a front three of Coutinho, Sterling and Sturridge.

2.) Agree 100%, would like ideally to see a strong DM option (or keep Lucas) to sub in as required. Lucas, Can and Hendo would be a great defensive three while Can, Hendo and Llalana a great balanced/attacking midfield.

{Ed002's Note - Folks need to stop listing players/teams here otherwise the thread will be deleted.}

3.) To the original post I can only hope Allen moves on. Watching many games this season, he lacks pace tracking back, lacks strength. For a passing possession player he seems to lose the ball often and I can't recall him making a forward pass over 6yrds? I also can't recall a single assist?

Seems like a nice bloke but purely football he is nowhere good enough. Wouldn't expect a fee of over £5m either, a complete waste of funds. Depending on how Balotelli turns out, Allen is for me our worst ever purchase

4.) 05 Jan 2015 18:05:33
agreed! allen is a shocking player.

5.) 05 Jan 2015 22:41:29
I still think the best midfield displays I've seen in Rodgers time were two games we lost last season- Man City and Chelsea over the festive period. Our midfield was Lucas, Allen & Henderson. Those three completely shut down City & Chelsea's midfield with the combined pressing of Henderson & Allen and Lucas sitting behind and reading the game.


6.) 08 Jan 2015 00:16:03
Hi guys, I work for a football stats company and can tell you that Allen has both a deceptively high pass completion rate for a midfielder over the last two seasons (87.09%), and also has won more duels than Gerrard. He gets bashed more than he should




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21 May 2017 18:14:34
Eds, curious what you think of Josh King. haven't watched too much of Bournemouth but every time I've seen him I've been impressed. Do you think he has it in him to make it at a side like Liverpool?


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no interest in him.}

1.) 21 May 2017 22:19:09
He's certainly stepped it up this year Zimbo, his form is no coincidence and I think he'd be an asset for most of the top teams.

{Ed025's Note - i like him as well HX..

2.) 22 May 2017 11:06:50
Not a bad player and can still improve.



21 May 2017 17:29:29
Well done lads - fantastic result and although I had faith we'd go out and do it, the conviction we showed in the last two games proved we deserved it.

The project continues and looking forward to next season.




15 May 2017 11:36:03
A few thoughts from the match

- we all wondered what Klopp would do to inject energy and attacking threat. bringing on Llalana and Sturridge and dropping Coutinho deeper were fairly predictable but changing to the diamond was a brilliant move (even if in response to Firmino injury) . seems obvious in hindsight but it played to our strengths in terms of having playmakers and strikers to take the game to them through the middle (but limited wingers)

- The system completely threw West Ham off - space all over the park. witness their CB moving forward to shut down Llalana which created the space for Sturridge's run the first goal

- I've also always thought Sturridge plays better with a strike partner as it makes the most of his movement while still leaving a threat in the box. He was involved in almost everything good we did going forward. well played lad and great to see you smile!

- Thought Coutinho bossed it in midfield, MOM for me. Again been discussing it before but he should be playing there every week. His vision to dictate the direction and pace of the attack before the defense can get set is critical, and also he draws defenses out which creates space for others. That ball to Sturridge was pure class.

- Can again proved himself very capable running the game from deep - easily overlooked but he shut down a lot of dangerous moves and forced them backwards on a number of occasions

- Our defense was better but we also got lucky a couple of times with Ayew having a corner somehow drop into his lap and Milner having to cover two runners due to mixups with the CB and thankfully just doing enough to put Byram off. work to do still even though a good day out

Overall Kudos to Klopp for having the balls to make the changes and for the players who all stood up to be counted so emphatically when many were writing them off. One more big win please lads and CL here we come!


1.) 15 May 2017 15:34:52
I think that part of Klopps thinking is that each player in the team has an attacking value for when we have possession, and a defensive value for when we are not in possession.

While Sturridges attacking value may be 78% his defensive value may be 22%.
Whereas Firminio would have attack 69% and defensive 48% which adds a lot to the all round game but would not be as clinical at finishing as Sturridge.

The opposite of this would apply to defenders. Where the higher value would be on the defensive side.

2.) 15 May 2017 15:35:01
Spot on, Zimbo. Make no mistake, our boys were under a lot of pressuer going into that game and even our own fans thought we would bottle it but the manager and the players stood up, showed professionalism and got it done. Another thing many may have missed was that unlike Spurs who tried to win the game in the first 20 mins, we did not panic at any time in our build up play.

We passed it around in a bid to move WH around, create space for our attackers to run into and to create overloads on their weak sides to play through and the goals came. In fact had we won the game 7-2, it would have been a fair result cos Adrian was working overtime just to keep us out and we hit the post three times. Great approach from Klopp and the team. On to Boro to finish the job.



08 May 2017 02:06:33
A few thoughts from the game

First of all, that is a game we could so easily have lost in the past so hats off for a clean sheet and a well marshalled Defence. could be crucial

However i think it's also fair we made life difficult for ourselves going forward for a number of reasons
1 - I understand a midfield of Lucas, Can, Gini gives us stability, but it also lacks the creativity, intensity and movement required to break down teams IMO. movement and energy was exceedingly flat across the whole team in fact, very few dangerous runs being made anywhere on he Park
2 - Which often resulted in Coutinho dropping into midfield to create something. looked pretty deliberate, but it also left limited options on the wing in his place which narrowed the game even more
3 - likewise if was rare to see anyone trying to get in behind from the right. Firmino is an outstanding player but not blessed with the yard of pace required and he tends to cut inside, and Clyne going forward is frankly poor
4 - Origi struggles without space. sorry but he's still developing and they found it too easy to shackle him without being pulled wide or out of shape. He needs to move more to create space for others
5 - Those rare times we did turn over the ball with their team not in a deep Defence, we just didn't move the ball forward fast enough to capitalise on their lack of defensive organisation
6 - Finally he also changed things up way too late. It was obvious the changes we needed (and he made the right ones) but why did we only give them 20mins? I was almost anticipating changes at half time given how flat we were. or at least on 60mins

So with a more defensively minded midfield, limited movement and intensity to pull their defence out of shape, limited threat from out wide and a lack of killer in the box, we just struggled to look dangerous.

I think it's obvious we need to bring in a real winger and some FBs next year but I'm still disappointed Klopp went this route and didn't try to pose more of a threat at home.

For West Ham I sincerely hope we see a midfield of Can, Gini and Llalana and I'd also go with a front line of Coutinho, Firmino and Sturridge. I'd also be badly tempted to play Milner at RB and Moreno LB. We need to win the next two.


{Ed001's Note - 2 is wrong, Coutinho drops because he likes to do it, which is why I prefer him to have a deeper role and have someone in front of him to make forward runs. We had no forward runs again, no movement, so there is no point in him having the ball at his feet because there is no one to play in.}

1.) 08 May 2017 05:15:21
Fair comment - I presumed because he was doing it so often it may have been a strategy.

I'd agree the best position I've seen Coutinho play was the more attacking midfielder role he played in 13/ 14.he's able to transition the ball swiftly from defense into attack, can play our forwards in behind with his vision, has a dangerous shot from outside the box (forcing defenders to push out), can play one-twos to disrupt defensive patterns, and also able to arrive late from deep to score.

I hope he plays there next year, only problem is does a midfield of Hendo/ Can, Llalana and Couts lack physicality for the PL, and if so then where does Llalana play.

I don't think it would be a bad shout to play Llalana wide left and Coutinho a bit deeper against West Ham. At least Llalana can cross with his left even if he lacks a bit of pace.

2.) 08 May 2017 12:25:27
David Silva has been playing that role for years at city and is the best player. He is not a monster nor are his midfield partners.

3.) 08 May 2017 12:27:32

Moreover you don't need Lallana if you drop Couts into the middle. Lallana is a lesser version of Coutinho. Who still can't pick a player not has a vision to see those runs between lines. He goes to the bench with Coutinho dropping into the middle.

4.) 08 May 2017 21:21:47
This is why as Ed02 has said, Brandt is open to coming to us cos he wants to play on the left of midfield and is concerned that he won't get a game if Couts is out there. Therefore, Couts needs to be in the CM and have Brandt or another wide player with pace, come in on the left as this will make the bus parkers thing twice and give Couts something to hit when he has the ball to feet in CM.



24 Apr 2017 00:22:08
Quick thoughts (besides being absolutely gutted, trying to be rational here)

The first 60 minutes weren't too bad actually, thought we controlled the game pretty well, and apart from one really poor piece of defending for Bentekes first (where they opened us up ridiculously easily and no-one tracked any runners - where was the defense? ) we didn't give too many other chances away but created a reasonable amount. Brilliant goal from Coutinho apart though we lacked the killer touch and there were theee notable issues in converting possession into goals IMO
1) It was mostly poor delivery from Clyne who failed on numerous occasions to look dangerous from good positions
2) Coutinho kept dropping into midfield, which was fine, but we lacked any quality on the overlap outside him, and likewise missed a fullback able to get in behind on the left
3) This was a game we really missed Llalanas energy and creativity, with Can and Gini struggling to create anything in the tight spaces

The last 30mins however we really started to panic and I thought the nervousness of the race for top4 got to us. We needed a change on about 65mins to shake things up but there very little Klopp felt confident turning too off the bench which was a major problem, and we let the game stagnate which gave Palace increasing confidence. Predictably another silly mistake from defense, a soft corner and we concede yet again from a set piece (why don't our own corners ever seem so dangerous? ) . I think being able to turn to Sturridge when we were in control but struggling to score would have been a major boost and forced Palace to move to a much more defensive mindset, such a shame he couldn't at least make the bench.

What I think Klopp should have done is put on TAA for Clyne, taken off Lucas and pushed Can deeper, dropping Coutinho into midfield, then let Woodburn have 30mins on the wing. As it was it turned into a bit of a shapeless mess and we took a major blow in the race.

The good news is though, the Manchester Derby is yet to come and some tough games left for Man Utd too so let's not panic just yet. Hopefully with Llalana back and maybe Hendo too we can strengthen things up again and push on. Keep the faith and here's to Klopp getting a new CB and one or even two FBs in the summer.


1.) 24 Apr 2017 09:41:46
Honestly i don't think we will get 4th, players are bottling it again. Hope they prove me wrong but just can't see it.

2.) 24 Apr 2017 09:44:50
Sorry but I thought we were poor all game. Take away Coutinho's goal and we where slow and predictable with many of our players just not at the races. Wijnaldum, Can, Origi and even Firmino just not firing.

Then you look at our back line, Milner was poor, slow to attack and even slower defensively with Clyne the same but worse because, well how many times can you get forward only to hold or waste possession? Lovren, least said about him the better and Matip wasn't much better.

You can't fault Mignolet today, couldn't do much with the goals. Midfield was just nonexistent and has to take some of the blame for our defensive woeful defense as Palace just breezed past them, both Can and Wijnaldum may as well not have been on the pitch.

The worst thing for me is that everyone could see we had lost our momentum and things needed to change but Klopp waits until inside 80 mins, I mean what's the point?! We have 2 young players with pace which could of got at Palace given time and who comes on Moreno? I just don't get it, Klopp was working slower than Lovren and that is saying something!

3.) 24 Apr 2017 10:19:31
What exactly is happening behind Wilson and Ojo. A team that has no pace up front should play either one. It's a no brainer to me. Are they not good enough?

4.) 24 Apr 2017 10:55:28
natural poolie how can you have a go at firminio he may not have been effective upfront as you want against a back 6 which he did get behind a time or two, one of the few who made them runs but the lad run every yard of the pitch harrying and closing down and even found himself in the right back position behind clyne who would have been caught out more if not for him and even although your right about can and matip letting benteke ghost away what that was an example of is the frailty of zonal marking because all you seen in that goal position ways was all and i mean liverpool players marking the space and not attacking the ball or marking men. If your going to have a go understand what your seeing first.

{Ed001's Note - that is not a weakness of the system, it is a weakness of our players. Not attacking the ball and not blocking off runs are the two things we struggle with. That is why we concede. We have no organisation from the keeper or the centre backs, no one is doing their job. If we were man marking the problems would be the same, it is just people would blame the individual players, rather than the system.}

5.) 24 Apr 2017 11:56:13
Bruffio you answered your own question. Getting behind them once or twice in 90 mins in a game against an opponent who let us have possession and you call think that's good? Sorry but I stand by my opinion, they were all poor.

6.) 24 Apr 2017 14:15:41
Spot on, Ed. I have mentioned this numerous times. We have a load of buck-passers who just stand there hoping that the ball will clear itself. There is no bottle amongst our defenders when it comes to being assertive in defensive situations like set-pieces. NOBODY takes charge, organizes and holds players accountable in such situations. No one wants to get their hands dirty and stick the boot in. Look at their second goal, and you will see what I'm talking about. even the Sunday League don't defend set pieces the way we do.

Man marking is even worse IMO, cos all you have to do is block players off (picked as they say in the NFL) and the a man or two will be free and the problem will be the same, as you said. The best system is a mix of zonal and man marking in certain areas of the box BUT the problems will remain if our players have the gutless defensive mentality they have now.




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26 May 2017 17:19:51
Actually I think he was originally spotted by Ruud Gillette.




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26 May 2017 00:34:56
Surprised we turned down a loan - a year at Celtic would seem to be perfect step in his development.


{Ed007's Note - Could he handle the step up though? It's a big jump from Liverpool to a team expected to win every game and pick up trophies ;) (giggle)



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25 May 2017 01:08:07
Part of the problem is they make odds for such ridiculous things it's almost impossible to police. If they made odds for what time you opened your front door in the morning and your mates where betting, how big is the temptation and how do you prove whether it's luck or not.

IMO betting is a scourge but if it happens they should only be allowed to offer bets on things like a result, scorers etc. and not ridiculous things like whether someone eats a pie or not.




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22 May 2017 23:30:06
How's that Ed? Down tools for half the season?


{Ed025's Note - your right there zimbo, the leicester team were a disgrace over the way they acted towards ranieri mate..



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23 May 2017 00:33:00
Thanks Ed, brilliant wrap

Few thoughts

- happy with most of the thought process in our targets but frankly a bit shocked we are still not thinking about a CB. Lovren and Matip is just about OK as a CB partnership but hardly stellar, yet our backups are someone who's young and talented but been injured a whole season, and Klavan who's reasonable enough but panics when exposed to pace.

Think we are at great risk of being exposed if anyone is injured for any length of time. why not bring in one more and revisit in Jan?

- Any reason why we don't consider Milner at RB and just bring in Pereira plus a youngster at LB? Pretty sure Milner will be very effective on the right, and can let TAA develop under him. Pereira and Milner can also play both sides in case of injuries, and then bring through Sessegnon for the future.

I really think with Hendos injuries we need a stable experienced professional in the dressing room and Milner is it for me. I don't want to see him at LB or in midfield but RB seems made for him.

- with Can stepping up in deep midfield in Hendos absence, not sure we need another CM. Hendo and Can to cover deeper positions, Gini, Llalana, Coutinho and Grujic to cover further forward, do we really need another? Keita could be very effective but feels a luxury to me.

- upfront would love to see a top LW and clearly a priority to add some pace out wide as it was so obvious we lacked width without Mane or proper attacking FBs to get in behind. a fantastic LW could really set us up going forward.

- I'm on the fence about Sturridge. the man clearly has enormous talent and ability. I'm verging towards giving him another shot but if someone as strong as Lacazette comes along then I'd be tempted to go for the safer option and get someone with a better track record of getting on the pitch.

In short, four signings from
CB - Tah or VVD
2 x LB - Pereira and Sessegnon
LW - Brandt
And I'd be a very happy man

Keita and Luan would be bonus but neither a crucial piece of business IMO

Thanks for all the hard work on the site and another brilliant season. Good luck for the transfer window.





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28 May 2017 14:32:43
Repeating top 4 is a must for me, and I'd really like to see some decent performances in the CL and a cup win to call it a successful season.




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28 May 2017 14:30:36
To be fair to the OP Razor, he didn't say he wouldn't be a good player, just thought it wasn't position we needed filling right now - and frankly I'd agree with him as Hendo and Can look very capable in deeper role and we have a wealth of options further forward.

I don't mind him joining as we should always be pleased to see top players join, but hope it's not at the expense of a few other positions where we clearly have players that aren't quite there.




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28 May 2017 14:24:02
Pereira and Sessegnon at LB - Milner and TAA can cover RB

Brandt at LW

CF and CM are luxuries me, but if Sturridge were to leave I'd go for Lacazette

I can see why Keita would add something to midfield and would be happy to see him join but I actually think our more urgent need is at CB. I'd go for Tah.




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27 May 2017 14:54:24
It may have been a poor decision but who knows how he would have gotten on if he'd stayed? Truth is he always struggled with scoring, he just doesn't strike the ball consistently well enough IMO and panics a bit in the box. Citeh paid up thinking he'd develop that side but he hasn't.




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27 May 2017 14:27:23
Ejaria still has time to mature - see it being at least a couple of years before he's a potential regular, so I don't think he'll be hurt by any incomings.

Ojo I had high hopes for but the injury really hurt his development, again I think a 1yr loan, preferably at Huddersfield would be great for him. He's go a tougher route to the first team IMO with Woodburn and Wilson to compete with in the attacking positions.