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20 Jan 2017 19:52:42
Eds
Any new about Matip only I understood we would get an answer today

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{Ed025's Note - not at the moment pate..


 

 

31 Jan 2016 18:56:00
Hi Eds
Is it true that Sinclair refused to play for the 21s today. I find this a bit odd as surely he played (briefly) for the first team yesterday. I know he is being linked with Watford but surely Adie Ward wouldn't do something that daft again?

patemondo

{Ed001's Note - I haven't heard sorry, but it is a tactic Ward would look to use if necessary to force a move. Ward only cares about his bank balance and Sinclair joined him to make money.}


1.) 01 Feb 2016 04:19:06
i think those guys who called sinclair ingrate and aidy ward as evil agent will need to wake up their idea. the world revolves around $. What sterling and now sinclair doing is a norm rather exception. Liverpool managment will need to come up with a sustainable plan to retain these young talents, if not might as well scrap the academy.

{Ed001's Note - you really have no idea, neither of those came through our academy, so what on earth has losing two pricks got to do with scrapping it? Ward is a piece of dog turd, the world may revolve around $ but these players are already wealthy and what they revolve around is greed, not $.}


2.) 01 Feb 2016 07:28:27
Here here!


3.) 01 Feb 2016 07:54:30
Why would we want to retain a young talent like Sinclair?
He has zero humility and zero loyalty.
It's happened to plenty of players who think they're the dog's and end up as failures. Don't know why he thinks he'd get into any other Premier League club's 1st 11. Get rid of him asap, I don't even want to see him play for us anymore. And Brooks Lennon scored again, so happy days.


4.) 01 Feb 2016 08:48:51
Yeah I never got all this hype with Sinclair. Jack Dunn for me is far better but he seems to have disappeared.


5.) 01 Feb 2016 09:05:06
Anyone represented by Ward should not be touched by LFC. Contrary to Ward and Gordon Gecko GREED is NOT GOOD!


6.) 01 Feb 2016 09:41:46
Jack Dunn has had long term injury problems, but he came off the bench yesterday against Reading.

Today, Liverpool are going to swap Sinclair and Benteke for Deeney and Ighalo. Unfortunately for Liverpool, this will be happening in my imagination.

(mmm, oh yeah, that's nice, we're going to win the league now)


7.) 01 Feb 2016 11:02:32
Aidy Ward is not evil as far as I can tell, but he is greedy. It's probably a useful trait for a football agent 😄.
However, he seems to lack any ethics, there seems to be no low he won't stoop to to achieve his aims and he is happy to use young impressionable players to do his dirty work.
Fortunately he seems to be one of few. Karma will bite him one day.

As for Sinclair, I feel sorry for him, he is being misled and will develop a bad reputation which is hard to shake off.


8.) 01 Feb 2016 11:14:42
Aidy ward is no different than any other agent i know.


9.) 01 Feb 2016 11:16:03
If he has refused then I hope the club fines him within the code of the conduct at the club. I think it would then be fair to make him train with the youth team and exclude him from u21 and first team training.


10.) 01 Feb 2016 11:26:23
which other agents do you "know" smithy?


11.) 01 Feb 2016 11:28:42
Smithy - you know a lot of agents who go on TV and say their client would refuse a contract offer of 900k/ week do you?


12.) 01 Feb 2016 11:42:05
zeddicus: quite a few, including aidy. If aidy ward was doing what he does (what every other agent does) to get player to liverpool. liverpool fans wouldn't have a bad word to say about him.

{Ed001's Note - well that's a lie, as I would not be happy and would say so. And Ward is not like every other agent at all.}


13.) 01 Feb 2016 11:51:03
Ron:He thought it was off the record when he made them quotes.

{Ed001's Note - no he did not, he knew what the score was and played on it.}


14.) 01 Feb 2016 11:55:04
With our shortage of strikers it would have been ideal for Sinclair to burst on the scene but he was busy bitching. Not even Sterling was that greedy.


15.) 01 Feb 2016 11:55:17
Yeah that is nonsense Smithy, he won't ever change his MO so if you sign one of his players then you're just the next club he will try to humiliate.


16.) 01 Feb 2016 12:16:10
That your opinion ed! you can say that ed but if anyone is honest they know i'm right. Alex teixeira just made a video declaring his love for liverpool, i don't see any liverpool fans slating his agent! . If that was a liverpool player we all know what would be happening.

{Ed001's Note - actually it was nothing to do with his agent, it was a local TV company that shoved the mic under his nose after a match in the US. That was the player. So I really do not see the relevance between this and Sterling. Though you would find if you bothered to listen to the podcast we do that I stated quite clearly I was not comfortable with it and would not be happy if he was one of our players and that it would make me look elsewhere.}


17.) 01 Feb 2016 12:28:12
Ed001 most supporters don't know that. you might not be comfortable with it, but most fans don't care.

{Ed001's Note - you said all, backtrack all you like but you were wrong.}


18.) 01 Feb 2016 12:28:39
We're never going to agree on this Smithy, but next time you see him be sure to let him know we all think he's a devious, conniving rat and to enjoy it whilst he can because Karma is going to really sting. 😉.


19.) 01 Feb 2016 12:58:09
nearly all then ed 😜. he ain't that bad ron, just wants the best deal for his clients.


20.) 01 Feb 2016 13:03:48
Whats the footballing world thoughts on aidy ward ed? Its quite clear on here what we think of him on, but do other clubs/ owners/ managers share the same view as us?
Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I really couldn't speak for all of them, but West Brom made Berahino dump him as an agent, which speaks volumes.}


21.) 01 Feb 2016 13:55:49
In an ideal business world, I'd say those involved should conduct themselves like gentlemen and play by the rules. But the reality is really quite far from this. I dislike Ward and Sterling as much as any other LFC fan, but I also admit that I'm not really that surprised by it. It's the big money business world. Their one error was to be so vocal about their strategies and tactics, which won them so much praise and adulation (sarcastic snicker) . If they'd kept everything only on the negotiating table and behind closed doors (as is done 98% of the time), I think our perceptions would be slightly different. In hindsight, I don't think Suarez's (and his agent's) strategies and tactics were much different but we just don't know about it, because it probably all happened behind closed doors. I'm simply a fan and not directly involved in football dealings in any way. But I know the ruthlessness in big money business, and prisoners are rarely taken.


22.) 01 Feb 2016 15:00:48
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20 Jul 2013 09:34:12
Eds
Can you explain the reasoning behind Pepe going on loan to Napoli as I don't see the sense in it. His value is only going to fall.
If he is no longer in BR plans why don't we insist on a permanent deal to use the money elsewhere. Except it takes a chunk of the wage bill but we seem masters at sending our unwanted on loans. {Ed002's Note - I am surprised that Liverpool did not look to a sale as they knew Pepe Reina wanted to leave. There is plenty of time left in the transfer window and a loan makes very little sense to me - but Napoli had no desire to buy another GK after Rafael arrived. Their first choice was Cesar but QPR decided not to loan him and to say he would only be sold immediately before the deal was completed. Pepe was second choice, but I am sure he will welcome the chance to work with Benitez again.}

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1.) I think the deal makes perfect sense.
Pepe is going to Barca, he thought it was this season, so did the club, so they bought his replacement.
Valdes is now stay until end of contract so Pepe's move delayed a year.
He is not going to sit on bench and we don't to pay £5m a year for that, so loan for a year good for everyone
With loan fee, wages saved and transfer fee LFC will not be short of £20m
Good move and we have got a very good young keeper as replacement. Good job guys, keep it up


2.) I think it leaves it open for Pepe to go to Barca the season after once Valdez moves on. It works out for all parties involved really, providing Napoli pay Pepe's wages. HardzLFC


3.) Could it be Reina who wants the loan move as he would prefer a permanent move to Barcelona or Atletico next summer?

Disney! {Ed030's Note - That's personally what I think will happen. }


4.) He has 3 years left and his contract.

He gets to prove himself to potential buyers by playing in the CL.

We save on his 110K a week wages and maybe get a loan fee.

His value is a lot more likely to depreciate sitting on our bench than playing regularly and in the CL for Napoli.

It's a no brainer.


5.) Mole, you maybe saving Reina's salary or part of it, but don't forget you have just shelled out for Mignolet and do not forget his salary and fee. It's an odd decision to loan Reina out, but I imagine Liverpool ran out of options as Reina was never staying. Reina has declined since his peak a few years ago, but is still a better keeper than Mignolet. Liverpool are now weaker in this department.

Another thing to consider is another keeper could be signed by Liverpool as a back-up and he will cost the club further money in fee and salary. It is a bizarre piece of business IMO.

Disney!


6.) Eds, in the case of Mignolet getting injured, can Liverpool call Reina back? I seem to remember one of the Eds stating a while back, in an unrelated case, that as long as it's a club outside the PL, it's within their rights to call him back. Could you please clarify if this is the case with Reina as well?

NorwegianRed {Ed002's Note - It is a little more complicated than that as it also depends on the terms of the contract.}


7.) Disney,
Mignolet is reportedly on almost half the money that Pepe was.
So in that sense it makes sense.
Or, to look at it another way, Liverpool would have increased their first team keeper wage situation by over 50% if we'd have kept both players.
So Pepe leaving was inevitable, though the loan is a bit odd. But I suppose that it suited Pepe well enough.
Best wishes to Pepe. He did well for us, but life moves on.
The Juicer {Ed002's Note - I think the first post to with Pepe well; good for you.}


8.) 20 Jul 2013 13:29:09
Ed02, some posters are suggesting the loan is disrespectful to Pepe. On the contrary, I think that it is Liverpool's way of saying 'thank you very much for all you've done and we agree to help you out here if you want to go' sort of thing.
It suits both parties.
So fair enough.
I'm sorry to see him go.
The Juicer {Ed002's Note - It is a case that the player wanted to go, no buyer was found, this option came up and I guess Reina said to the club he would like to do it. It was all short notice and it was not a planned "thank you" at all.}


9.) Fair enough.
Still, it's better than him going to Arsenal!
The Juicer


 

 

20 Jul 2013 09:34:12
Eds
Can you explain the reasoning behind Pepe going on loan to Napoli as I don't see the sense in it. His value is only going to fall.
If he is no longer in BR plans why don't we insist on a permanent deal to use the money elsewhere. Except it takes a chunk of the wage bill but we seem masters at sending our unwanted on loans. {Ed002's Note - I am surprised that Liverpool did not look to a sale as they knew Pepe Reina wanted to leave. There is plenty of time left in the transfer window and a loan makes very little sense to me - but Napoli had no desire to buy another GK after Rafael arrived. Their first choice was Cesar but QPR decided not to loan him and to say he would only be sold immediately before the deal was completed. Pepe was second choice but I am sure he will welcome the chance to work with Benitez again.}

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25 Aug 2017 19:18:51
Much as i love Klipperty if he thinks Moreno is like a new signing and is outstanding then we have a problem.
Its going to be a fun ride guys with plenty of high scoring games but we won't win the league letting in 50 goals a season like we did with Rodgers.
Having said that i loved being at those games it was electric at Anfield.

patemondo

1.) 25 Aug 2017 19:33:09
I would have much prefered him to come out and tell everyone he doesn't rate Alberto.


2.) 25 Aug 2017 19:43:15
Moreno needs confidence and that what Klopp is doing I think he will be part of the best defence in the league once we get going and I think most people here will agree what about u Ed.

{Ed002's Note - No, not at all.}


3.) 25 Aug 2017 19:44:52
Really? You want the manager to destroy a youngster who's spent an entire season out of the fold, without moaning, worked as hard as he could and regained his place?
That's a very strange call,


4.) 25 Aug 2017 20:05:33
accept the fact that Moreno will be first choice LB and Robertson is second choice LB this season for Liverpool.


5.) 25 Aug 2017 20:11:49
Klopp's hardly going to come out say: "We all like Alberto, but he can't defend for toffee and he'll be backup once we get Robertson over the messed up pre season he had at Hull. " is he?

He knows full well what Moreno's limitations are, or else Milner wouldn't have played left full all last season, and we wouldn't have bought Robertson in the summer. Once Robertson is fully fit, he'll play the majority of games, unless by some miracle of science he manages to be a worse defender than Moreno, which is unlikely.


6.) 25 Aug 2017 20:19:01
would you like your missus to public state you have a tiny willy and don't know how to use it?

{Ed001's Note - or perhaps for a bird to have a top selling song talking about how you naked doesn't impress her much?}


7.) 25 Aug 2017 22:52:47
Ed001

Would you mind if she had written the same song about you? I THINK NOT 😂😂😂😂.

{Ed001's Note - it's ok mate, no needs to know if it had been about me.}


 

 

01 Feb 2017 13:14:05
A very good performance against league champions elect Chelsea and well worth the 8 hour road trip. The fans were on top of our game. Its often a library lately with opposition fans more vocal but i don't know whether its to do with night games but we really got stuck in.

IMO a draw was a fair result it could have been better with some good chances missed Firmino and Can spring to mind but some poor defending notably from Lovren and this obsession with playing out of trouble deep when pressed continues a concern.

Plenty of plus points though. Can had a good 2nd half when pushed into a more forward position and i like Gini as he plays with some calm. The full backs debate remains but i like Clyne and i think he has been playing injured for a while now as has Henderson who was back to more like his old self.

Alright Clyne doesn't attack defenders and get behind (although he did once deep in the 2nd half) . Maybe it would be worth switching him and Milner during a game. Young TAA is a longer term prospect and we should treat his progress with care as he could be world class if nurtured properly.

This squad is very much a work in progress and although i, like others, were upset with recent performances we do not have the strength in depth currently that others have. This will come under Klopp who is also learning about the EPL. Big next few months and summer window. Remain positive and as Klopp says atart to enjoy the ride, bumps and all

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22 Jan 2017 19:28:13
What is wrong with some of our supporters. A defeat against Swansea and its all Klopp's fault.
Bottom line is we are going through a poor run of form. Clubs go through it from time to time.
We need to get to grips with the fact that teams are going to park the bus and try to catch us on the break. IMO the problem we have currently is we are not moving the ball quickly, and nobody seems to be able to run at players wide and get behind teams. We also seem to be trying to walk the ball into the net. In both the Swansea and Plymouth games their keeper didn't have to make a save in the first 45 mins.
Mane is a big miss because of his pace. However at the moment Henderson and Can slow the game down too much for my liking. All of this is sortable and Klopp is the man to do it.
Only 3 league defeats albeit against sides we should be turning over but we are still in the mix in all 3 competitions. I don't think the fans help. It has been a library in our last 2 home games and we should take a leaf out of our away support which is outstanding.
We have plenty to play for and it won't take much to turn it around.
A big 10 days coming up which define our season. I am confident we will get through this sticky patch

patemondo

1.) 22 Jan 2017 20:48:15
Look no one said sack kloop but the bad run has been 2 months not just swansea


2.) 22 Jan 2017 21:04:34
Our last 4 results in Dec were victories. Midlesboro, Everton, Stoke and Man City. We have had a bad January, 22 days!


3.) 22 Jan 2017 21:36:17
Sorry irish end of Nov early dec sund borm westham southham


4.) 22 Jan 2017 21:55:28
dont be stressing lads, we'll be back in the champions league next season. Not to mention one of the cups we'll win this season :)


5.) 22 Jan 2017 22:56:28
Two months? we had won 4 in a row in the Pl before the Sunderland game on Jan 2. A bit of perspective is needed, please.


6.) 23 Jan 2017 15:36:47
It was Klopps fault due to his team selection - why are being so defensive of him? Managers are all human and sometimes they get it wrong.
Nobody is saying sack him.


 

 

28 May 2016 16:27:28
Great news that Sakho has been cleared after serving his suspension. However i can't help wondering what might have been if he had been available for the run in and in particular the Europa Cup Final.
He let the club, fans and of course himself down. However we have to move on now. He was one of our stand out players prior to that and he will be important to us next season.

patemondo

1.) 28 May 2016 17:10:43
Bit harsh to say he let us down. Let's hear the facts first. The problem seems to be the process if this is anything to go by.


2.) 28 May 2016 17:11:55
He hasn't been cleared. The initial 30 day suspension has finished but that's all, he could still be banned. It took me a while to understand it myself.


3.) 28 May 2016 17:16:09
While I don't think players should have to take fat burners when they are supposed to be athletes, I know most if not all players will take some form of suppliments. If it's true that what he was taking wasn't on the banned list, you can't say he's let everyone down.
The final has been and gone, that's what you should move on from.


4.) 28 May 2016 17:36:44
Susan for UEFA to let him appear in a showcase event like the Euro's and then go and ban him, don't you think UEFA will look a bit silly?


5.) 28 May 2016 19:00:44
When do the euros start?
When is the decision due?

The answer is the decision will be before the euros.

{Ed002's Note - The decision has already been made.}


6.) 28 May 2016 19:01:01
If what he was taking wasn't on the banned list, then why would he have tested positive for a banned substance? Sounds more like there is debate about whether the substance in question should be on the list or not, not about Sakho's culpability.


7.) 28 May 2016 19:34:40
Mighty reds, yes I do. But they are very good at making themselves look silly. I don't think that there will be any further ban but it's not 100% certain.


8.) 28 May 2016 19:24:39
I think it was on the list but his lawyer is questioning whether it should be on the list.

Ed002 I know you say the decision has been made, but it hasn't been announced yet has it? My understanding is he could still get banned. Am I wrong?

{Ed002's Note - The decision has been made and the punishment has been identified. As I have explained on several occasions, Liverpool will soon be told what it is.}


9.) 29 May 2016 07:01:28
Ed002, there will be no punishment to hand out, he has been cleared completely and the club will be notified shortly!

{Ed002's Note - I am aware of the argument that was put forward for the failed test (and the test did fail). I have explained about when the club will be informed. I still await a response to your dig at me yesterday.}


 

 

05 Jan 2016 22:34:51
A really positive performance today particularly with the loss of Lovren and Coutinho. Firmino was very bright and when he gets his shooting boots on he is going to be a real handful. The midfield looked balanced and it was good to see Milner back. Obviously a concern about centre back problem.
Sorry if this has been explained but I wasn't aware Sakho was injured as well.
If he is it that hamstring too and how long?
Going to be difficult few weeks but that was certainly a superb response. Well done guys.

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25 Jan 2018 18:27:22
Don't be so disrespectful.
He has been a good player for the club.
He doesn't fit our system now and has his issues but on his day as he has proved on many occasion he was one of the best strikers around.

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15 Jan 2018 09:52:27
Although I think there is no chance signing him I do think we as fans need to get some perspective regarding finance. Sanchez would cost no more than some others.
At £35M he is a snip in terms of quality comparison to others who are valued at £60m+. If he wasnt 29 what would his value be worth?
So his salary albeit extortionate would net off over 3 years.
Sanchez is a wonderful player. The fab 3 aren't going to play going to play every game and he would be a good addition IF Klopp wanted him and wanted to come.
We cannot simply buy everyone who comes available. A priority remains a GK in the summer. Maybe another CB although i think Matip alonside VVD may work out. Klopp knows his targets and as i said a few days ago we are on the cusp of something special.

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12 Jan 2018 14:09:19
I can imagine putting comments like that on this site won't be earning you many brownie points with Lallana.
Players have enough pressure without you spouting off that he could want a move.

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12 Jan 2018 08:42:49
Griezmann - Really?

That's the latest shout by the lad from Bolton on Twitter. Mind you he has thrown Ozil in the mix just to cover his options. Frankly i don't care who we bring in as long as they add value to the side Klopp is building. I feel we are on the cusp of something over the next 12 months. Impressed with FSG and Klopp and the team are playing a brand of football that sets us above most teams in Europe. They know we we need to improve and it will be addressed.

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05 Jan 2018 13:22:00
I think it is absolute nonsense that Can hasn't given us a 100% commitment this year. He like every other player has done so on the pitch. Just because they are off their game doesn't mean they aren't trying. We need to get a bit of reality here.
As many who have defended him on here have said he wants assurances of regular first team football and possibly in a position that Klopp feels others can do better so he has chosen to look for an alternative. This is common practise in any business. Indeed I have had to go on 'gardening leave' for a period of time when giving notice to my employee as I was within Senior Management and they felt it would be detrimental for me to continue working for them. This isn't the case with Can unless we were playing Juve. Loan players aren't allowed to play against their employees so no doubt we would leave him out if we drew them.
Some fans on here simply either don't understand or just think as it is Liverpool we can do what we like when we like whilst criticising other clubs or players morals.

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20 Feb 2018 18:45:24
I doubt you would sit back if someone spat in your face!

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30 Jan 2018 09:29:56
So much negativity. We have lost just 3 league games and in the last 16 of the champions league. We haven't got money to throw about like the 2 Manchester clubs. Yes it would be great if could strengthen in a couple of areas but sometimes players go off the boil a little. Interesting set of games over the next month for the top 6.
Personally I still thing we will finish top 4 and get to the the last 8 of CL when anything then is possible.

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28 Jan 2018 11:57:52
I was at the game VAR a good idea but it takes too long. Fans don't know what's going on. At least in Rugby they talk to the crowd. Tell me how we only had 4 mins injury time in the first half (the same as the 2nd) when VAR took 3 min to sort out the Penalty let alone the offside goal and 2 substitutions through injuries made by wba. I reckon it should have been 8 mins.
Another problem is it masks the poor refereeing/ officials decisions. A couple of which were very poor.

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25 Jan 2018 12:35:34
Another Deli Ali? Really?
This is the guy that was a world beater last year but this year most comments on here suggest he was a one season wonder, a dirty player and not bad at diving too? Best make up your mind and in any event why is it a another Ali moment anyway!
Simply Klopp doesn't rate him whereas he did Gomez.
This isn't a sweet shop. We cannot buy everything that is in the shop window.

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18 Jan 2018 09:31:37
It is all very well banging on about young players but what do you want guys. We have built a side that potentially can challenge for the title over the next 12 months but already looking a good top 4 and in the champions league.
Every time we play one of the kids and the result goes a bit pete tong this site is flooded with discontent about the team. In fact half the time we moan about certain players even when we win and win well.
Some youngsters are making it through the system if they are good enough. We messed up on Suso IMO but Klopp wants to play a certain way and he and his coaches should have an idea if they are capable of stepping up.
As i understand it Chelsea appear to have the best system with players loaned out in terms of keeping track and responsibility for their well being but let's face it, in reality supporters want success and lots won't stomach the long term approach of bringing on the kids however much they claim they do.

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