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02 Sep 2019 12:51:59
Afternoon eds.

You said Ryan Kent was likely to move, and now he's off to Rangers.

Do you know if this true? £6 million ish. Not bad for an ok player who will probably have a good carear at a slightly lesse club than ours.

Have a good day all.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - I would expect him to move - Rangers if the deal can be agreed.}


1.) 02 Sep 2019 13:09:43
Hope works out for him - was unlikely to play for us so good luck to the lad and Rangers win something with him and Ojo.


2.) 02 Sep 2019 13:25:23
Thanks ed2.


3.) 02 Sep 2019 16:08:23
Good move for the lad. i think this move was always going to happen, there was always room for compromise. no need for the little tantrums during the summer. Best of luck to him anyway, and another good deal by the club.


 

 

27 Aug 2019 11:39:29
Morning ed2. Hope all is well.

Dont know if you have answered this but a few reports saying Bobby Duncan could be on his way to Fioretina.

A loan with option to buy. £10million. Seems a lot.

ta very much from a hot and sticky west country.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool may well see Ryan Kent, Herbie Kane and Bobby Duncan leave in the coming days as all want to move on. It is the result of young players having expectations that they are ready to step up to the first team when they are not. It is a blight hitting many English sides and it is exasperated by the bringing in of youngsters from abroad. German clubs are sending scouts to numerous English youth sides as they look to cherry pick the best players. And yes, Fiorentina want to take Duncan.

It is indeed humid outside in the South West.}


1.) 27 Aug 2019 12:12:43
If those playets go along with others we have sold, that should add up to quite a lot pennies.

Do you see any of the players mentioned worth keeping?

{Ed002's Note - I don't know enough about the youngsters beyond reputation - and I understand that Duncan is expected to do well - whether or not they will eventually be good enough to play for Liverpool is another matter. Clearly Gerrard thinks enough of Kent to continue to look to sign him - and he is certainly for sale. Fiorentina are chasing Duncan and would like a loan to buy - but Liverpool will likely block the move. Kane seems to attracting the interest of much lower tier sides who want him on loan - Portsmouth, Coventry and Hibs. Interest in Kane from a couple of London clubs has gone.}


2.) 27 Aug 2019 13:47:37
Thanks ed.

interesting stuff.


3.) 27 Aug 2019 14:58:02
I’m surprised we didn’t let Kane go to Hull who are now managed by the old Doncaster manager, would of been the next step?

He publically said he was keen on Kane but window has shut. Seems odd.


4.) 27 Aug 2019 20:51:11
Kane has attended a few of Doncaster's home games this season so it could be possible he rejoins the club.


5.) 27 Aug 2019 21:04:59
Letting Duncan leave on a loan to buy deal could be a mistake unless we command a generous fee, I'd much prefer just a standard 1 year loan to a lower league English team if he wants to play first team football this season. He may be feeling it's too tough a task to spend a few years trying to make it at Liverpool but fiorentina at 18 yrs old is risky too, he should look for a season loan in England or maybe SPL.

Wonder would Gerrard hold interest in developing his cousin at rangers? And surely we can't afford to keep Kent stagnating in our reserves for another year when he'll be 23. And regarding Kane I also think a loan would surely only be beneficial to raising his stock.


6.) 27 Aug 2019 21:10:22
I rate Bobby Duncan but the moment an 18 old tries to dictate to an institution like Liverpool fc there’s only going to be one winner. I expect we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors.


7.) 28 Aug 2019 02:42:55
Is Bobby trying to dictate terms to liverpool? I have no idea of the inner convos obviously, but I feel like that is a bit of a stretch to conclude that Bobby is in someway trying to manipulate Liverpool into giving him first team minutes. Could it simply be that he thinks he is ready, doesn't see the opportunity but does see it elsewhere?


8.) 28 Aug 2019 07:14:07
It’s tough at the junior level, opportunities to break through to competitive first team football are rare, perhaps Bobby is simply looking at Brewster and Glatzel and figuring if he gets a shot anywhere competitive he simply can’t afford to turn it down. Doesn’t mean he’s trying to hold Liverpool hostage.


9.) 28 Aug 2019 10:31:42
I’d say if glatzel is ahead of Duncan move Duncan on if he wants to go. It’s very hard to break into the first team, if he has an opportunity abroad, let him take it.


10.) 28 Aug 2019 11:23:00
This isn’t so much a football issue as it is a social issue. The ‘yoof’ of today expect everything right now!


11.) 28 Aug 2019 17:09:33
Seems like the players thinks he is a bigger deal then he actually is?

That's the problem with youth football today, they get paid thousands of pounds a week and instantly think they are gods gift and good enough to be a starter for any team in the world.


12.) 28 Aug 2019 20:20:36
I fail to see how Duncan can be kept at the club after Saif Rubie's derogatory comments online.


13.) 29 Aug 2019 09:18:09
I don't actually believe a word that scumbag agent claimed.

"boy is in real trouble mentally, physically and emotionally because of this, and I really pray that his experience doesn’t happen to any young players again. ”

Like what? The kid's 18 and under contract at his boyhood club, only a year ago when he signed he wrote;
“I have waited so long for this day to finally come, joining a club I’ve grown up watching and supported all my life. Liverpool is my boyhood club, my dream! Now let’s get down to business. "

And now after one good season at U18 level he is:
“never going back there again and he’s on such a small salary that no amount of fines will even make a difference. ”
Huh? Again, he's under contract but now it's the agent making it about money, which is hardly a first.

He also claimed Liverpool told Duncan he wouldn't be receiving a new contract and “have even gone as far as saying in writing that they will punish him and make him stay at the club until January and beyond to teach him a lesson. ”

Teach him a lesson? This really sounds like bs to me. For a while now Liverpool's clear and obvious policy has been to give young players a new contract before sending them on loan. Pretty sure they wouldn't suddenly change that for one player.

As Carra said, Duncan should sack this no good agent asap and Liverpool should never deal with him again. Of course we don't know exactly how BD is behaving regarding all this but he certainly seems to be getting some bad advice. The best thing for him would be to sign a new contract and then go on loan to the top tier in Holland or Belgium where I think he could thrive, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.


14.) 29 Aug 2019 09:29:00
As for Herbie Kane he already proved himself in League one so with the Championship window also closed (dunno why he didn't go to Hull) I guess a loan to the Scottish Prem is the best option or even better still to a stronger league abroad. Of course that all depends on if any interest materializes and from where.


 

 

 

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07 Sep 2019 21:42:19
Evening eds.

I think it was ed2 who was scathing of our track record of dealing with loaned players to other teams.

But more recently ed2 had stated things seem to be improving.

The main difference i see is that our u23 players are being sold for good money, after returning from loans. ie Kent, awomyo etc, etc. rather than letting their contracts run down.

I don't know of any who were loaned out and are now 1st team regulars.

Are you able to give us a particuler player you think has been handled better than they would have been 2/ 3 yrs ago. and why.

Cheers all.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Dealing with loanees becoming first team regulars, Liverpool have changed tact and are now looking to buy success - which is why so many youngsters want out. As for loans, Liverpool has gone from having no plans and no structure to at least having a general plan and someone is taking responsiblility for liaison etc.. Liverpool remain far behind many other sides but are improving.}


1.) 08 Sep 2019 08:29:53
ed002 you all ways say we are now trying to buy success was we not trying that before? And can you name one of the top prem sides that does not. Are spending compared to city is nowhere near the same but I would not say there is lot in both teams. young players can't get into the first team if nowhere near good enough unless we want to be a mid table team.

{Ed002's Note - Not to the extent the club are doing so now. The question was about Liverpool not other clubs. It is a change of direction that Klopp now embraces as his promise of success using the youngsters was naive and unfulfilled.}


2.) 08 Sep 2019 08:39:35
No problem with that.
All top sides try to ‘buy’ success, and Liverpool are less guilty of it than most. Man Utd, City, Real, Barca, Juventus, PSG spend far more than Liverpool.
Chelsea, for instance, have spent way less in recent years and gradually become a much worse team as a result.

{Ed002's Note - The "much worse" Chelsea that were league champions a couple of years ago, that are the current Europa League champions is that? This constant effort by some Liverpool fans to turn everything around to be about other clubs is truly embarrassing. You are making an absolute laughing stock of yourselves yet again.}


3.) 08 Sep 2019 08:43:35
Ed 002 out of interest mate what premier league clubs are at the forefront when it comes to loaning players out. As in having their sh#t in one sock and having the best successful structure in place for return?

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United.}


4.) 08 Sep 2019 09:08:27
What is embarrassing is your constant sniping at liverpool. Coming from a Chelsea fan who bought success numerous times. pathetic.

{Ed002's Note - I have never considered myself as a fan. All I did was honestly answer a question. I get constant abuse from vegetable matter like you who are simply not bright enough to understand. If people don't want honest answers they would do a lot better by simply not asking questions.}


5.) 08 Sep 2019 09:08:35
...............

{Ed002's Note - You are another foul piece of trash that needs to go.}


6.) 08 Sep 2019 09:36:59
from a purely outsiders perspective, I find it difficult to hold chelsea up as a moral counter to any version of Liverpool trying to buy success haha also I'm loving their use of youth this season.


7.) 08 Sep 2019 09:48:24
Ed002 🎣 reeling them in again 😂. Don’t ask the questions if you can’t handle the answers.


8.) 08 Sep 2019 09:55:20
Yet Liverpool and Klopp bought in 2 youngsters in the whole of the summer transfer window. And not for the 1st time in his tenure, Klopp made a profit in the transfer window. Which to be fair is some achievement for a top side. Who have made 3 European finals in a row. Yes klopp isn't perfect but give the man and club credit! Fsg and Klopp although made some mistakes. Have taken the whole club and structure of the club, training ground, stadium and youth teams to another level.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp did not make a profit, Liverpool did. This was because the youngster are surplus to requirements and many know it and want to move on.}


9.) 08 Sep 2019 09:43:42
Chelsea have constantly won cups with no huge gaps over the last 15 years. How are they getting worse now they aren't buying success?


10.) 08 Sep 2019 10:41:32
Taurus, it’s quite simple really. Chelsea haven’t been in the semi-finals of the Champions League since 13/ 14 under Mourinho - 5 whole seasons. In the 10 years prior to that following Abramovich’s takeover, they had got to the semi-finals 6 times, and were winning the biggest trophies almost every season.
They still win trophies, but nowhere at the rate they did previously, especially the biggest ones.
No one said they were a bad side - they’re not - but they are unquestionably not the hyper-resilient, powerful brute of a team that they were for 10 years previously.


11.) 08 Sep 2019 10:56:36
Thanks ed.

Opened a can of worms i think. Its a buisness and we are now making some money from these players who will never play in our forst team.

We all want to see young players coming through but don't always have the patience, They need time.

Mason Mount doing it for Chelsea, but i wonder would he have that chance if chelsea did not have the transfer ban.

Cheers all.

{Ed002's Note - The plan was always for certain players to be integrated in to the first team squad at Chelsea this season - including Mason Mount. The unexpected opportunity has been for Tammy Abraham.}


12.) 08 Sep 2019 11:32:30
Thanks again.

You eds and all the reds on here with their differing opinions are like my coffee when i get up. the first thing i do in the mornings.

Keep it up, love it.


13.) 08 Sep 2019 12:57:46
Dont we have the same conversation every 2-3 months. Someone ask a question, Ed02 gives his opinion and then someone wil drag Chelsea in the middle and take a dig at Ed02 for liking/ admiring a certain team and how Ed02 hates Liverpool.
Its just like those kids on twitter who have a lot of spare tomes so starts a tread to take a dig at each other.


14.) 08 Sep 2019 13:19:39
To be fair to Ed002 he does have a phenomenal knowledge of the game and he has a perfect right to defend Chelsea but on a different TACK he should take care when using sailing metaphors.


15.) 08 Sep 2019 13:35:52
Ed02 simply gave a detailed answer to the OP. The youngsters are being sold on because they cannot get past 1st team players who were bought for big money.
Things escalated as certain posters don't like the answers given.
It is irrelevant how much other clubs spend, as Klopp stated he would get success using youngsters. In hindsight I am sure Klopp regrets saying it now, as it was unrealistic given the spending power of his rivals.


16.) 08 Sep 2019 17:20:04
LoweFC you said they've become much worse. wouldn't say they've declined massively if they can still win trophies.


17.) 09 Sep 2019 06:31:15
I think big clubs could definately operate better with use of loans. Liverpool currently only have origi as such in the first team set up who's been out on loan. Truth is none of our loaned out players have really proved they can play in our system as yet. Grujic I feel if he has a big season may have a future.

Chelseas loan structure over the years has been one that is hard for football fans to see the good side of.
But they have seen the likes of courtois, Christensen, zouma, mount, Abraham, loftus cheek succeed with loan moves to warrant a chance with Chelsea.
United have only really seen Pereira, arsenal with chambers, city and spurs not really using former loan successes in their first team. The likes of foden, Brewster, Greenwood, Hudson odoi, willock are kept in the clubs as deemed good to make it. We've seen rashford, Trent, Gomez, winks, mctominay previously not being considered for loan.

The realistic theme is that most youngsters being let on loan from the top English sides seem to rarely be a part of future plans and if really fancied by the manager then will be not be let out on loan.

Everton have not let Calvert Lewin or Davies leave the squad, Leicester keeping chilwell, Gray, choudrory about in the last few years. West ham with rice, wolves with Gibbs white, longstaff at Newcastle, AWB at palace

Can't think of many clubs which have benefited much from worthwhile loans regarding using them in their current team upon return. Players like Harry Wilson, reiss Nelson, lookman, lukebakio each had productive seasons but still seemed not to be in the teams future plans.

Only Chelsea are using their loaned youngsters, largely due to a pool of 40 on average each year and transfer ban forcing their hand. We've made nice profits from loans being successful but it's hard to think of players we've had back who became a regular. The likes of spearing, wisdom, Flanagan, kelly, ward, karius, Coates, ilori, markovic, borini, ings were never going to have a future with us after being let on loan. The guys like Trent, Gomez, sterling were able to break through only because they were kept, hopefully Brewster can be viewed in that respect also.
Norwich have had players recently like Todd cantwel, james Madison, Ben Godfrey, Jacob and Josh Murphy who all proved to make big progress.


18.) 10 Sep 2019 08:33:24
Being a liverpool page I would expect 99% of Ed's answers to be about liverpool but don't get offended if you don't like the answer.


19.) 10 Sep 2019 01:40:55
Ed.002.

"Chelsea always planned to integrate youth this season. " Was that plan conceived before or after the transfer ban? If it was before, then is it fair to say that they would have bought a few 1st team players ahead of the youth and they in turn would have spent most of their time on the bench or in league cup games?

Solanke came to Liverpool and didn't get much more. He failed to impress and was moved on.

It's always a risk trying to bed in youngsters because you have to give them time and even then, some fall away for a variety of reasons.

You often say changes are inevitable, such as a European league, isn't this just another inevitable change for any big club wanting success? I have never been a fan of Chelsea but wish Lampard is given a chance. Youth and an English manager being given a chance (even if it was partly forced on them) is what many have called for. We shall all see what happens. I personally would be happy to see some success there (although not at the expense of us! ) and show other clubs that it can work.

I have my doubts and unless they have some form of success, we all know Roman has limited patience.


 

 

30 Aug 2019 19:40:06
Evening reds n eds.

Finding that mufc supporter at work after we have beaten them, priceless.

Down the pub with my mates talking about how we beat Arsenal, love it.

Any time we beat Man city, ACE

There a common theme here that would not exist if we were playing Ac milan or PSG or Bayern in a crappy european super league.

Its deep rooted and soooo much more important to me. Yes its amazing winning the Champions league but what do we all want more than anything. Getting the 19th, 20th, 21st title etc.

I will always follow LFC as i have done for over 45 yrs but if we enter into any proposed super league we run the risk of diluting our. ferver as supporters. It just won't be the same.

You have been warned.

There, that's better now i have that of my chest.

Lfc to win 2 - 1 in tight match

Have a great week end all.

wiltshire red

{Ed025's Note - you too wiltshire mate..


1.) 30 Aug 2019 20:03:08
I agree 100% wiltshire, if/ when it happens for me something will be lost. As ed025 has said what about the lower league clubs who are already struggling. The premier league is so good we don't need it but because the pl generate much more than the rest they want to change everything.

If you play Real, Barcelona 3 times every year after a few years it will become just another game. If you take the top 4 out of the pl the income will plumet. If they keep the pl as is and sacrifice the cups that would be the best worst option. No good can come of it IMO.

{Ed025's Note - im with you mark..


2.) 30 Aug 2019 20:22:08
Its a shame but money talks. They won't listen to us.

I wonder what the majority of fans would want if given the choice?

ill just have to watch Swindon instead. Or play more golf. But as you say mark, the teams in the lower leagues might not be there in 10 yrs time.

ho- hum.


3.) 30 Aug 2019 21:08:50
I think the problem is tv revenue. If we get a breakaway super league that will in itself be where the vast majority of where the money goes. But we have Sky, BT, Amazon etc that will keep feeding the monster. Sport orientated media coverage is probably the safest way to invest your money at the moment. And before I get pillared for this please for second take a moment. When I first got Sky and Bt got the CL rights I swore I would not sign up to BT. Guess what?

I can afford it thankfully but would prefer not to and I know there are so many supporters that can’t. If we have a break away league that is broadcast by another media mogul would I sign up to it if Liverpool FC were participating? probably as it is the only way I can watch my beloved Reds. I hate the fact that so many fans of “elite” clubs will be unable to follow their clubs on tv due to ludicrous subscriptions. The rich get richer. If LFC are not part of a breakaway league many will feel hard done by. If they are part of it, many will feel hard done by.
YNWA.


4.) 30 Aug 2019 21:16:06
The option remains to walk across the park and watch a side not in the European Super league.

Seriously though- it will be the death-knell for a lot of lower division clubs- and to be honest I’d worry for some prem clubs too as the Broadcast income would plummet.


5.) 30 Aug 2019 21:30:31
I think a super league would be dissapointing and eventually lead to decline of football teams and fanbases. It would work for a while but will slowly die as people see once great teams get beaten on a weekly basis because someone has to lose. I like how it is where you have to earn the right to face the best teams in europe. They should just revamp the champions league, too many poor teams are allowed in while there are clearly better teams excluded. I say make the group stages much more competitive.


6.) 30 Aug 2019 21:32:48
Is this potential super league actually realistically a strong possibility or seen as highly unlikely?

It would destroy everything that remains good in the game, football is already being damaged year after year with money continually creating more and more of a gulf. Club's losing their identities and larger business oriented focus taking control.

The thought of a super league makes me sick, would only ever benefit the multi millionaires who's only care is to expand the brand and market the club for extra profit. No self respecting football club should ever consider this as a good move without giving a huge slap to the face of the fans. The likes of red bull formed clubs, Chinese and American recently grown franchises can be the only real fit. Every single club should have enough pride or history to block the idea of simply throwing it all away for the financial gain of businessman who don't give a toss about football.


7.) 30 Aug 2019 21:59:33
Another old skool perspective.

Football was ruined when Murdoch got his hands on the game in 92, or for those who don’t know, the birth of the Premier League.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that drogie mate..


8.) 30 Aug 2019 22:15:03
25 mate, Merseyside ruled in the 80’s.

{Ed025's Note - we really did drogie and the city was buzzing, it would be nice to replicate those times mate..


9.) 30 Aug 2019 22:30:16
amen to that.


10.) 31 Aug 2019 00:22:57
a ticket to watch the Burnley away game is like gold dust. Can you imagine Madrid away, not a chance in hell.


11.) 31 Aug 2019 06:12:32
Im no expert but id guess that, if the best 6-8 PL teams went to play in a Euro Super League, there would be a hell of a lot of supporters who wouldn't be able to watch live footy as the tickets and travel would be extortionate and like gold dust to obtain.
That would leave an enormous bunch of fans who still want to go to a game and watch live football so maybe the lower league teams would start getting higher attendances? Maybe Tranmere and Southport could grow from larger home support and revenue along with their leagues? Maybe there would be room for a new team from Liverpool?

{Ed025's Note - it wont be 6-8 virgil, more 3-4, away games will be for the elite as the normal guy in the street wont be able to afford to fly all over europe for the season, i think it will be a disaster for everyone bar the chosen few mate..


12.) 31 Aug 2019 07:31:38
Maybe the big 4 going off to the ESL would drive some of us back to watching our local sides, maybe that extra revenue would save a few Bury and Boltons.


13.) 31 Aug 2019 08:46:31
If a European league was formed then surely the premier league Sky / BT money would drop significantly due to them having their heads turned and investing their money in that. The Bolton and Burnley’s would be then happening in the premier league.

{Ed025's Note - i think you mean bury but your right JK..


14.) 31 Aug 2019 11:35:54
The people behind this underestimate, as usual, the appetite of fans for local rivalries and Saturday afternoon football. This will be the absolute downfall of this concept. Thankfully, it will also be the first time that fans realize thir true power - without them, professional sport does not exist.


15.) 31 Aug 2019 12:52:57
Ed025 cheers mate my bad 🤦🏻‍♂️. I’ve got Burnley on the mind ahead of today’s game.

{Ed025's Note - no worries mate..


16.) 31 Aug 2019 19:51:57
I haven't met a liverpool fan who is keen on the idea of a breakaway league. Totally agree. When will we play everton again? The fixture i always look for first. And (not joking) will we get to play utd? They certainly aren't an elite team anymore. Does money and history get them in it?


 

 

28 Aug 2019 17:28:51
eds, how you all doing?

Regards Shey Ojo. A lot was expected of him a couple of years ago. But he did not kick on as was expected and he just seemed to be just another u23 with promise.

But this season seems to be different. he's playing well. scoring and seems to a pretty big unit as well.

Has he grasped where he meeded to improve? Or is it more of a case that its Scottish football. enough said.


cheers all.

wiltshire red

{Ed001's Note - hard to say mate. It could even be a bit of both.}


1.) 30 Aug 2019 01:50:06
Showing a similar pattern to Wilson and Kent. Both had previous poor loans and only showed form in early 20s. Kent and ojo both failed in loans abroad in Germany and France. Key is finding the right club to settle at, look at Woodburn last loan never seemed right, ejaria was out of place at rangers but now looks like he's enjoying himself at reading.

Hard to see a future for ojo at Liverpool but a good season at rangers can only see his value go higher like Kent and Wilson's has. Hope he does well.


 

 

24 Aug 2019 09:45:56
Morning eds 'n' reds from a very hot wiltshire.

Today give us a clue how the first part of our season may pan out.

If we are on our game then 3 - 1. If the tempo is quick, crisp passing then they won't be able to live with us.

Be interesting to see how Cabellos gets on as we were linked with him. looks a mucky if you ask me.

Lastly, have to spend the day in Bristol with the mrs so can't watch the game. Gutted.

COYR.

Cheers all.

wiltshire red

{Ed001's Note - might be time to look for an upgrade on the missus then!}


1.) 24 Aug 2019 10:01:38
Believe me, if you saw her . im punching well above my weight.

{Ed025's Note - have you got any pictures of her naked on a motorbike you could share with us mate?.. :)


2.) 24 Aug 2019 10:47:34
I have Eds25.

{Ed025's Note - love it ace..


3.) 24 Aug 2019 10:55:10
If your in Za Zas tonight then shes yours for the swap of a season ticket.

{Ed001's Note - how can you be punching above your weight when she makes you miss a game?? I am confused. That immediately downgrades her to being lucky you put up with her!}


4.) 24 Aug 2019 12:13:40
Ok, thread is getting wierd now.


5.) 24 Aug 2019 13:23:31
Wonder why I'm getting a divorce, sooner its done the ******* better!


6.) 24 Aug 2019 15:54:05
My Mrs always let's me watch the games no matter what we're upto. Top bird! Haven't missed a game in years.


7.) 24 Aug 2019 20:50:03
Good call on the score, mate.


8.) 25 Aug 2019 01:11:43
Great prediction to be fair, nailed it haha. Tempo was quick, passing was crisp and ceballos was muck.
Spot on.


9.) 25 Aug 2019 11:24:33
My Mrs doesn't let me watch the games, she knows better to try and even suggest I miss one, no letting me bollix here, she was told from the start.


10.) 25 Aug 2019 12:14:30
My Mrs is as big a Red as I am, only way to have it as far as I’m concerned. 😉.


 

 

15 Aug 2019 17:22:03
Question for ed2 if your about.

When we signed Bobby firmino i think you said we paid a lot more than was being reported and correct me if im wrong but paid a lot in agents fees and other stuff.

If you could turn back the clock would you make the same deal again.

Sorry if this has been asked.

ta very much.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - What I would have said is that Liverpool paid well over the "release clause" that German clubs could buy him for. The bottom line is that at the time the club paid well over the odds for a player compared to the going rate. The club have continued to pay premium rates for players they have tapped up and have paid absolutely exhorborant agent and representative fees and maintained a slush fund making other payments that should not be required. The owners are aware now that the club has been running rather wild in their attempts to buy success.}


1.) 15 Aug 2019 19:18:11
Buying success is better than Buying 6th place.


2.) 15 Aug 2019 19:29:51
lets not worry too much about finances tho eh ed!? 😉😉.


3.) 15 Aug 2019 19:37:06
He is a steal Wiltshire red, whatever the fee was.


4.) 15 Aug 2019 20:13:07
Elite player, changed the game last night.


5.) 15 Aug 2019 20:03:27
So will we see any difference in the future to how we buy players.

We see in the press Liverpool bid £38 million gor Firmino and assume that's about the right price.

ta very much.


6.) 15 Aug 2019 20:31:47
Bobby is key to our attack, he’s the one who makes the front three click. Not only this, he defends from the front, he reminds me of Rushy in that respect.

Love Bobby, what a player, worth every overpaid penny.


7.) 15 Aug 2019 21:03:00
He proved last night he is the best centre forward in he world. Look at Brazil’s form now he’s actually playing, mane and salah wouldn’t score or be as creative if it weren’t for his selflessness. He would get into any team in world football. Our best 9 ever!

{Ed025's Note - lay off the drugs lerchy, hes a very good player yes, but not in the top 10 best centre forwards in the world...and not in the top 20 No 9,s that liverpool have ever had....and thats being very kind to him mate..


8.) 15 Aug 2019 21:13:27
Its a steal for sure. why the heck are you looking for an eds approval on this?


9.) 15 Aug 2019 21:20:58
He’s not your typical No9 -,25 mate

Bobby is the link to the function of the front 3. Watch him live mate and you’ll understand. He’s more than hair a striker.

{Ed025's Note - your right about him not being a typical No 9 drogie....they get a bunch of goals mate..


10.) 15 Aug 2019 21:23:05
Do I think Bobby is the world's best? No. Do I think I'd have a team without him? Definitely not! But I really don't think you can put him into any category. The lad is absolutely selfless and in modern day football that quality is hard to find.

{Ed025's Note - thats a very fair assessment LRG..


11.) 15 Aug 2019 21:27:32
Sound investment ideal player for Liverpool at this time along with mane he is the Liverpool player i most admire.
Its Dundee passing over the odds when it works out as long as it doesn't have long term implications hindering future investment. If you keep being successful that is less likely as revenues will grow in line with that success.
Dont continue competing for top honours then paying over the odds hurts a lot more and bites you on the ass.


12.) 15 Aug 2019 21:41:36
Ed025

In a 433 system with two inverted wide fowards id say bobby is easily in the top ten fowards to play the central role.

When you switch to other formations he may not be as effective but in smimilar formations to liverpools he is quality and not too many fowards have his skill set.

Hes not a typical centre foward/ striker and there are many better strikers out there, i would not debate that. But in the false 9 position he plays i can't think of 10 fowards in world football that would play it better than he does. So for me he's definately top 10 for the specific false 9 role he plays.

His qualities link up play, press, work rate, quick thinking and creating space for other players are definately at the high end of the scale. And in a false 9 position those are the qualities you want your player to have.

Hes ours and i love him but if he was playing for someone else id be saying the same thing. Id say any players that play with would find it hard to swap him for anyone else such is his teamwork.

{Ed025's Note - i can live with that wolverine, but the statement from lerchy was that he was the best CF in the world?????, as a false 9 he is right up there mate..


13.) 15 Aug 2019 21:43:01
Poor assessment 25, usually you’re spot on mate.

{Ed025's Note - as a CF he is not all that drogie because he does,nt score enough goals mate, as a false 9 or playing in the hole he is a very good effective player thats all im saying..


14.) 15 Aug 2019 21:54:55
Lerchy, I think you've gone slightly over the top there.

I really rate Firmino first of all. He's the best in the world at what he specifically does, largely because what he does is so bespoke and unique.

Best centre forward in the world though? I've taken that as forward because it's hard to define a lot of players primary position nowadays. Maybe Firmino is the best for our team, but he is not better than Messi or Ronaldo just as a really simple example. Then you have the likes of Aguero, Mbappe, Neymar, Hazard, Cavani, Suarez, Mane, Aubameyang, Kane, Sterling, Salah and Lewandowski who are different kinds of forwards but still phenoms. Or there is a player quite similar to Bobby in Griezmann who scores slightly more goals but is slightly less effective in his all around game. It's not clear cut like you implied even if you take Messi and Ronaldo out the equation. But Bobby is up there with those guys.

I can't allow the best Liverpool number 9 to go unchallenged though. I've obviously (as above) assumed you just mean any forward and not the actual shirt number? Rush, Barnes, Liddell, Torres, Aldridge, Hunt, Keegan, Dalglish, Fowler, Salah, Mane and Suarez are just a few I would say have a fair argument for that accolade. And that is off the top of my very young head.

I do agree that he would get into any team in the world though. He is so good at bringing out the best in others that he elevates them to be even better and I think he would find a way to play with the currently playing strikers I listed above. He's undoubtedly world class but he is not unequivocally the best in the world today or the best in our history. That for me is Messi and Rush respectively.

{Ed025's Note - the nail has certainly been hit on the head there PB...except for the world class bit of course, that is subjective mate..


15.) 15 Aug 2019 22:14:01
Yeah world class is just a terminology debate really Ed025. I used to say top 10 in your position but nowadays I think that is too simplistic. Because that means there has to be 110 world class players in the world and that seems excessive. Plus I'd say there are more than 10 world class forwards, but a lot less than 10 world class full backs! So now I just tend to assess it case by case based purely on subjective opinion.

{Ed025's Note - im the same PB mate..


16.) 15 Aug 2019 22:19:17
I think that’s it mate, he’s more of a false number 9.But for me, it’s not just his creativity, it’s his work rate too.
He’s one of the most underestimated players imo.


17.) 16 Aug 2019 00:06:28
Great player and the best attacker we have at Liverpool imo. I wouldn't go as far to say he's the best in the world or anything like that but he's quality for us, he puts in a top shift every single time and has really adapted to Klopps way, better than I thought he would to be honest.

What many people don't realise is, it's not all about goals, it's about what he can offer on the pitch and he offers more than the rest imo. We have a full squad of talented lads but Firmino is my #1 for sure.


18.) 16 Aug 2019 00:57:36
With Ed25 here up there with the best as a false 9 but not as a out n out striker makes you wonder what he would be like behind a world class striker.


19.) 16 Aug 2019 01:26:44
Ed025

I knew where you were coming from pal. I appreciate your unbiased opinion on all things liverpool and on football in general.

I just wanted to get an i love bobby post in really!

On a side note ill be watching how kean gets gets on at everton. I think it was a steal money wise in todays transfer market. Kid has crazy potential. Needs time to settle but i think in the long run he could be the signing of the summer.

If tierney can stay fit him and kean and pulisic will be great value for money and rival eachother for signings of the summer in terms of impact on a team imo.

1.Kean
2.Tierney
3.Pulisic (counted as a summer signing surely)
4.Ndombele
5.Wan bissaka.


20.) 16 Aug 2019 03:09:26
025 you’re usually spot on mate but Firmino is the first name on the team sheet for me. He is absolute class. I don’t care if he scores that often, what he does for the team is unlike anyone else in world football.

{Ed025's Note - im a big fan of his Tj, not only his workrate and the way he fits into the klopp system...but he plays with a smile on his face and seems to enjoy it which you dont see often enough these days mate..


21.) 16 Aug 2019 11:14:26
Origin has the same goal to game ratio as Big Duncan Ferguson Ed025, and you'd class the latter as a Legend. Bobby may not be prolific, but he's key to how that team plays.

{Ed025's Note - i certainly dont class big dunc as a legend john, he was a player with a very average skill set but endeared himself to the fans by giving 100% every time he played, my point about bobby was that he is not a CF mate, he plays in the hole or as a false 9 so is never going to be prolific, but what he does bring to the table is energy and the ability to open teams up..


22.) 16 Aug 2019 12:31:18
Firmino is no Calvert Lewin Ed025 haha.

{Ed025's Note - no but they are both as good as each other when it comes to scoring goals lancaster...underwhelming..


23.) 16 Aug 2019 12:47:51
Mane is the main man for me. Before he came Firmino was no where near as effective playing up front with Lalana, Courts. Mane made us a far better attacking force. Liverpool beat Barcelona 4-0 with Mane if Firmino hadplayed instead no chance. Mane turns up in far more big games than Firmino.

I really hope Firmino continues his good form this season as last season there were no threads like this because he had a below par season compared to the previous. If Firmino plays like 2017-18 we win the league.


24.) 16 Aug 2019 13:10:17
Mane carried the whole team going forward last year for 3 months and he never got anywhere near this level of praise. Firmino plays well for an hour and people say he if the best in the world. Did people not watch Liverpool last season?

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point mark..


25.) 16 Aug 2019 13:36:34
Always enlightening Ed002. With your response in mind, what is your truthful (within permissible limitations) assessment of Michael Edwards?

{Ed002's Note - I have no desire to discuss individuals.}


26.) 17 Aug 2019 01:32:07
Firminos goal record should not be a relevant argument to diminish his quality as a top class forward. Bergkamp, totti, Zola could all play that type of forward role and get rightfully appreciated despite not always getting prolific goal returns. Likes of higuain, icardi, aubameyang, cavani score bags of goals but are not near firmino level of quality in my view.


 

 

 

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02 Sep 2019 13:25:23
Thanks ed2.

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27 Aug 2019 13:47:37
Thanks ed.

interesting stuff.

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27 Aug 2019 12:12:43
If those playets go along with others we have sold, that should add up to quite a lot pennies.

Do you see any of the players mentioned worth keeping?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know enough about the youngsters beyond reputation - and I understand that Duncan is expected to do well - whether or not they will eventually be good enough to play for Liverpool is another matter. Clearly Gerrard thinks enough of Kent to continue to look to sign him - and he is certainly for sale. Fiorentina are chasing Duncan and would like a loan to buy - but Liverpool will likely block the move. Kane seems to attracting the interest of much lower tier sides who want him on loan - Portsmouth, Coventry and Hibs. Interest in Kane from a couple of London clubs has gone.}


 

 

 

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15 Sep 2019 08:28:01
Definetly a bit mucky. Did you see the newcastle defenders face when he did that double flick for the gial? He didn't have a clue where the ball was. Sooooo funny.

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08 Sep 2019 11:32:30
Thanks again.

You eds and all the reds on here with their differing opinions are like my coffee when i get up. the first thing i do in the mornings.

Keep it up, love it.

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08 Sep 2019 10:56:36
Thanks ed.

Opened a can of worms i think. Its a buisness and we are now making some money from these players who will never play in our forst team.

We all want to see young players coming through but don't always have the patience, They need time.

Mason Mount doing it for Chelsea, but i wonder would he have that chance if chelsea did not have the transfer ban.

Cheers all.

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{Ed002's Note - The plan was always for certain players to be integrated in to the first team squad at Chelsea this season - including Mason Mount. The unexpected opportunity has been for Tammy Abraham.}


 

 

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01 Sep 2019 12:31:07
Totaly agree with you Tommey. Who cares about mufc as long as they keep losing and drawing.

Ogs is a nice chap but no manager for a club like them. let's hope he's there for years to come. Love it.

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30 Aug 2019 22:30:16
amen to that.

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