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24 Dec 2020 18:44:26
Evening ed2

Would selling Origi in Jan help pay for CB, whoever that might be. Origi seems short of confidence and is getting very little game time. I don't think we would miss him tbh.

There seems to be intetest in him and other clubs are having issues with injuries so he might seem a good option.

What kind of fee, aprrox could we get.

Cheers matey, and have a great xmas.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Origi would likely fetch perhaps €15M but there is not a great deal of interest in him as far as I know. Liverpool need to better manage the squad - use what they have and make it through the season; already top of the table and players will be returning.}


1.) 25 Dec 2020 22:26:04
Unfortunately no centrebacks returning anytime soon.


2.) 26 Dec 2020 12:38:34
Yeah we don't need players but lorentz leaving we could take a chances on a center half to start or more cover

Rather wait then panic tho.


3.) 26 Dec 2020 16:41:38
What happen if fabinho gets injured.


4.) 27 Dec 2020 11:29:01
We saw what happened. Rhys and Philips stepped up and did decent. If it was up to me. I would wait till the end of season. Look how Gomez and VVD are doing, sell Matip as he is way to injury prone. And get 1 or 2 CB. Prob sell Philips if he didn't do well while covering or simply he wants to leave as he is 23? and prob whants to play. Keep Rhys.


5.) 27 Dec 2020 18:35:38
We need a centre back with pace big time.


6.) 27 Dec 2020 21:51:02
Stepping in for a game is not the same as playing every week incl CL. Williams has done well but he has zero pace. We sit too deep with him and fab hence our press is often off and on.


 

 

15 Oct 2020 22:11:15
Evening ed 2.

Will we get any kind of loan fee for Herbie Kane going to Barnsley?

Also, is it true wr are asking Cardiff for £1million plus for a Harry Wilson loan?

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - (a) I would not think so. They may contribute to wages. (B) More.}


1.) 16 Oct 2020 14:44:54
Kane was sold for £1.25mil.

{Ed002's Note - Another shame isn't it. Another "club developed" player leaving.}


2.) 16 Oct 2020 15:49:45
Ed002 I don't think its a shame if he was only good enough for Barnsley and not even a low level prem side his never going to make it with us so good luck to the lad he can settle down at a club for the long term.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will he playing with smaller squads in Europe and when the rules in the Premier League change they will have a smaller squad than others sides. Kane was well thought of by the pub - I guess they don’t know their stuff.}


3.) 16 Oct 2020 19:03:26
he might have been well thought of ed but he was way down the pecking order and would have never got any minutes best thing for him like Brewster I wanted him to stay and play but would have done him no good.


4.) 16 Oct 2020 19:25:36
Sometimes Grino you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.


5.) 16 Oct 2020 20:04:27
The Irish Rover hopefully he does well there and gets a move back to the prem but it would have done him no good staying here. He is about to turn 22 in November and we are stacked out where he plays and it is much better for him to move and play first team football rather than play U23 level with us.


6.) 17 Oct 2020 09:54:41
Exactly Irish. If we’d kept hold of him we’d be accused of blocking his career. You really can’t win.
Unfortunately at all clubs the vast majority of promising youngsters don’t end up being good enough for the first team, especially at the top of the premier league.


7.) 17 Oct 2020 09:55:49
Grino75, I agree with you.
In fat, think about players who Liverpool willingly let go, any of them went on to do big things? Probably none. Unlike Sancho, De Bruyne, etc.
Think about Ibe, Solanke, and many more.
Prove 2 things,
1. Liverpool does well in letting go players who can’t make it.
2. Liverpool doesn’t develop enough good enough players.


 

 

20 Sep 2020 07:55:53
Morning eds n reds

Ed2, do you see AOC being sold in this transfer window.

I like him as he offers something i little different and he seems to give 100%. But i saw stat about how many games he has actually played since joing us, boy has he been injured a lot.

What kind of fee would we expect. as he is still only 27/ 28 i think.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it as it would further dilute the European squad size. And it is unclear when he will return from injury.}


1.) 20 Sep 2020 08:41:52
Thanks ed. Going to be a busy day on here i think.


2.) 20 Sep 2020 09:21:10
Who's going to buy an injured player?
Ox has a contract until 2023. He's a well-liked member of the squad with a big personality, homegrown and a good player when he's fit. So I can envisage him staying until the end of his contract and then being let go, similar to Lallana and Sturridge.


3.) 20 Sep 2020 12:33:32
We bought for £25million, we need money im sure there are teams who would be interested if they thought we would sell.

Could be that he may get less game time with our new signings.


4.) 20 Sep 2020 12:58:58
Thought it was closer to £36m. Since his injury against Roma? Ox has just been an expensive squad player and constantly injured. Not sure how he’ll get the chance to get back to peak now unless Gini, Keira leave and Hendo is injured but if he could I’d keep him. However, if a bid came in for £30-35m would be very tempting.


5.) 20 Sep 2020 13:57:46
Last season OX had a period where he was playing at a high level again and scoring every other game. He would be playing regularly if fully fit and starting a lot of games too. I do think at some point we have to look into moving him on just based on his injuries, him and Keita would be two midfielders I’d look to move on if the rest of them are playing at a high level come next summer. Keita has to prove something this season otherwise I’m done with him, he would have had enough chances to prove himself by then.


6.) 21 Sep 2020 03:59:01
If I could get rid of Keita now, I would gladly do it. He offered nothing in the game against chelsea or in fact any other games he has played in for us. I think he has had enough chances to show his ability. If we needed to sell someone now, he’s be first on the list to go!


7.) 22 Sep 2020 10:03:01
Totally agree. He was OK in the dead rubber games at the end of last season but as soon as the pressure is on he goes missing. I watched him in Germany before he came and was underwhelmed. After 62 games and 4 assists I, and an increasingly vocal corner of the support, have had enough. JK's recruitment record is amazingly good but penny for penny Keita has been a disaster. The only trouble with selling him is (and if I am wrong I would be happy to be put right by the Eds) I doubt that there is a single club in Europe that want him right now. Astonishing to think he cost more than Mo and Robbo put together! Incidentally, I haven't been on this forum for about 10 years and couldn't remember my user name or anything but best regards to the knowledgeable Eds and fellow posters. It's nice to be back on a forum that's not a bloodbath! Best wishes to all.

{Ed001's Note - welcome back, whoever you were! I totally agree on Keita, he doesn't have it nor does he seem bothered to try and get it. Such a shame as he was great before we bought him and then he just went all billy big balls.}


 

 

28 Aug 2020 20:47:21
Evening eds n reds from a v cold and wet wiltshire.

Ed2, do you expect us to get a fee for wijnaldum or will we let the contract run down, as we did with Can?

If so, what value do LFC put on him.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want to sell him and raise money for a purchase - he could part fund that. The value is of little consequence as you need to then deduct say 25% for costs - so he would not cover the cost of what Bayern Munich want for Thiago. No doubt Liverpool will try and exploit the asking price after an illegal approach and turning his head.}


1.) 28 Aug 2020 21:45:13
Ta for your thoughts ed.


2.) 28 Aug 2020 22:43:49
With all that's going on at Barcelona I personally think we'd be doing very well to get €20m. Everything they do from this point on will be scrutinised. Granted, current financial climate, I reckon the prize of trying to win back to back would be worth the risk of losing gini for free. Provided his head isn't in the clouds however he doesn't strike me as a "diva" for want of a word.


3.) 28 Aug 2020 22:20:42
Ed002 sorry if asked before. I know clubs tap players all the time but is this a klopp thing? Has this been a habit of his or is it a fsg thing. Maybe a liverpool thing. I know shanks used to sound out a player years ago and fergie did the same. Its been going on for years. Are we the worst? Personally I think it stinks and its cheating.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs don’t tap up players all of the time.}


4.) 29 Aug 2020 07:39:50
We got into trouble for tapping up VVD, and by right, Klopp should learn from that and refrain from making the same costly mistake. Why is LFC not doing anything to prevent klopp from tapping up again?


5.) 29 Aug 2020 17:34:34
DAPred, Do you think it was worth it to tap up Van Dijk?


 

 

25 Jul 2020 09:37:48
Morning eds n reds

ed2, i was wondering if we lose several players with no fee coming in ie lallana would that make enough of a difference to be able to spend in the close season.

Lallana is on £80k a week ( a guess ) . Then perhaps 3 or 4 released players from u 23's. I know they are small change compred to first teamers.

Or do we have to sell players for consideranle fees.

Cheers matey.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - The savings on wages free up wages rather than give spending money. The wage bill at Liverpool is very high (more than Manchester City and Chelsea) so any savings will be welcome. Players will be sold that likely free up funds to add a couple of players - Grujic, Karius, Shaqiri, Wilson, Miller, Lovren, Larouci etc. leaving will likely fund a player or two arriving as has been explained. But some of those funds would be lost in fees and some might be required elsewhere.}


1.) 25 Jul 2020 10:13:30
Cheers ed. You always reply and its much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 25 Jul 2020 10:58:09
Good morning ed. Hope Milner doesn't leave as an intense season approaches. Clyne, Lallana and Lovren leaving should free up a decent amount in wages as they were all on big money.

Hope we can at least bring in one first team starter, and lb cover. We though have room for internal growth, I am expecting Keita, Fabs, Firmino, Ox, all to have better seasons. Also Williams and Jones should have an increased role to play. Appreciate you work.


3.) 25 Jul 2020 12:43:58
Wow wage bill higher than City. Is that as a higher percentage of income on wages or just a higher figure being spent in general? Chelsea I could see as they’re not the star studded team they once were and have a few young academy players.

{Ed002's Note - It is the wages paid.}


4.) 25 Jul 2020 13:03:55
Agreed that is a surprise but its only £3m or so difference. Next year expect City to pay more than us.


5.) 25 Jul 2020 13:22:00
Even still, yeah only £3m but never in a million years I would have thought Liverpool would have a higher wage bill than City.


6.) 25 Jul 2020 14:58:31
I don’t think people realise how much wages we will save from Selling/ releasing certain players.

Lallana, Clyne, Lovren would be just under £15m a year savings, add to that Shaqiri and a few others might help offset the new contracts for our key players.


7.) 26 Jul 2020 01:52:38
Good lord - some on here are so disrespectful to our players treating them like meat at a meat market, all the best to Lallana and Clyne and thanks for the memories.


 

 

 

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07 Feb 2021 13:37:18
Thonk we all agree that Spurs have been a bit rubbish this season.

They are only 6 points behind us.

Blimey. weird season.

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1.) 07 Feb 2021 13:58:13
WR - don't forget we have been rubbish too so far this year, relegation form in fact.

If we don't improve today it will be a cake walk for City.


2.) 07 Feb 2021 14:14:57
Agree KBL, we’ve been awful since the turn of the year, we lose against city and we’re in the same boat as spurs and Chelsea, so we can’t really talk.

{Ed047's Note - did I read something like 22 wins out of your last 40 odd games, it’s certainly not as you were.

Still an immense team when everyone’s available though mate.


3.) 07 Feb 2021 14:24:57
We were hit hard for sure but under any other manager we would have sank like a stone for sure.


4.) 07 Feb 2021 14:31:10
You have to remember that Spurs were above Liverpool in December so at that stage they were going well.


5.) 07 Feb 2021 14:49:21
Weren't Spurs top of the league prior to our game against them at Anfield?

The fact that they're now 'rubbish' a couple of months later is just another indication of what a strange season it's been.


 

 

01 Feb 2021 17:17:36
Evening ed2,

If we offered £23million for Caleta - car which was turned down, could this mean that we may go back in the summer for him.

I only ask as we will sign Kaban on loan with the option to buy. Seems as though perhaps we were more sure of the Croat over the Turk.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Someone has been teasing you. This has all been explained.}


1.) 01 Feb 2021 19:39:08
The best position to have for any wannabe Liverpool player is to have the shirt already!

Ozan has the chance to prove that he is the CB that Klopp wants longer term. Remember Salah wasn't first choice but he's not done too badly.

I'd say Kabak is definitely in the box seat as he can show Klopp his abilities and potential day in day out in training and games.

Good luck Ozan, and welcome to Liverpool!


2.) 01 Feb 2021 19:52:47
It's all about finances, or lack of, rather than our being sure of any of these players' talents. We probably proposed a long payment schedule for Caleta-Car (I'm guessing) as we did for Jota, and it got refused. I don't see how we could have brought in anybody unless it was a loan or extended payment terms.


3.) 01 Feb 2021 20:01:03
Quite possibly, Ra. But I've got to agree with most other posters that Michael Edwards is a genius!

Given that we were talking about Kabak last summer (so he's not someone completely off radar) it really seems like a great deal on a player who, yes, does have some disciplinary issues, but is young enough to get onto the right path and has such great potential.

Hearing Paul "idiot" Merson blathering on about how he can't see what Liverpool see in a player who plays in a team that's bottom of the league makes me wonder, yet again, just what he's smoking!


 

 

25 Jan 2021 17:04:03
Evening ed2,

Reorts saying that Barcelona accounts showing they still owe us £35 million for coutinho.

Cant be right can it?

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - No, it was the total amount outstanding for the player at the end of the last financial year, not now. And the money is not owed to Liverpool but rather a third party who Liverpool factored the debt with to get early payment.}


1.) 25 Jan 2021 18:17:22
Please can we not start this again! Even if the money does go to Liverpool they will have to hand it over immediately to the company who they 'sold' the debt onto ages ago.


2.) 26 Jan 2021 09:22:35
Ed02 has addressed this repeatedly. The debt on Cou no longer belongs to LFC. This is dead news.


 

 

31 Aug 2020 18:00:48
Ed1, if you could change whatever and whoever in time for the new season that would be.?

wiltshire red

{Ed001's Note - the home kit.}


1.) 31 Aug 2020 18:57:14
🤣🤣 It's growing on me!


2.) 31 Aug 2020 19:20:32
I like it too. Not as much as last season's. But it's growing on me.


3.) 31 Aug 2020 19:56:45
Asked the mrs if she wanted a home shirt.

The look said it all.


4.) 31 Aug 2020 20:00:47
The neck reminds me of toothpaste?


5.) 31 Aug 2020 20:58:06
Robbie, that is Mad Ting, man.


6.) 31 Aug 2020 21:07:04
I’ve bought it. Still no Thiago.


7.) 31 Aug 2020 21:09:05
If they didn't have that white line down the side would rate it so much more.


8.) 31 Aug 2020 21:20:00
Looks like something from the 70's. What are they smoking at Nike, up there in Beaverton?


9.) 31 Aug 2020 22:41:30
exactly Ed. These kits are horrendous.

{Ed001's Note - it is the trim. What is with the back of the neck? It just looks wrong.}


10.) 01 Sep 2020 08:04:34
I don’t like the shade of red on the top either. Blood red is the way to go, IMO.


11.) 01 Sep 2020 10:20:42
The white stripe up the side makes us look like a Middlesbrough team from the 90’s!

I quite like the green, tho.


12.) 01 Sep 2020 12:28:53
Looks like we are secretly advertising for puregym.


13.) 01 Sep 2020 12:37:45
agree with Ed1. the neck is all wrong, looks like its on back to front!


 

 

22 Jul 2020 22:59:55
Take a bow FSG. You have taken us from mid table mediocraty to Champions league winners, World club and super cup winners.

You have supported the manager when he had wanted to spend big. You have made the ground bigger. You are biulding a new training ground.

You never look to steal the limelight from this amazing club and team.

I fhope you stay for many years and bring me so many more amazing evenings.

You deseve this night as much as anyone else.

THANKYOU, from a rather drunk and tearful west country red.

wiltshire red

1.) 22 Jul 2020 23:51:08
Agreed but I think klopp deserves that praise. 🤴.


2.) 23 Jul 2020 01:47:00
Klopp is getting plenty of praise. And I think it's a great post and has to be said. Klopp was happy to pick up Robbo for 8mil, matip on a free, klavan for a few mil. But when he told them what we lacked they bought the worlds most expensive cb. Spent 60 on a keeper, 55 9n a cm (who had a great g as me tonight. If keita can put those performances in consistently then he will prove to be a great player I think. They've funded many 30 odd mil players in gini, ox, salah and mane.

They've been good to us. So yes, thank you John Henry and fsg.


3.) 23 Jul 2020 12:42:42
Livergat, and who signed Klopp to become manager of LFC? Did you also know that John Henry did not even want to hire Klopp due to his last difficult season he had at Dortmund and where they finished?

Do you know that it was the the Data Analytics team who convinced him to sign Klopp after they crunched the numbers of Dortmund's last 10 seasons and showed him that Klopp had a poor season due to some severe bad luck with injuries?

If Henry had not let himself be convinced to get Klopp, All of this never happens so now that you know the true story of how Klopp got hired by LFC, I am hoping you will amend that post and give credit where it is due. I doubt you will, tho.


4.) 23 Jul 2020 12:51:54
Crickey, didn't realise how vad they all are. I stand corrected.


5.) 23 Jul 2020 20:59:05
Dont need to amend, your small bit of knowledge is widely known, as per post I agreed then declared that klopp deserved that praise, PSG got the top man and he produced the goods. For what it's worth red meister, I know Tom Werner, he is a gentleman and a businessman and without klopp I digress that we would not be having this conversation. So relax and enjoy yourself as lfc are kings again.


6.) 24 Jul 2020 10:32:18
Livergat, I know that this knowledge is well known. It just looked like your initial post was trying to take credit away from FSG and only give it to Klopp. My bad and I stand corrected. Cheers, man.


 

 

 

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17 Feb 2021 11:06:46
I wonder if Klopp will go back for him in the summer?

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31 Jan 2021 19:19:17
6Times, i remember that Rob Jones match against the @#$%! ¥€. Surely one of the best debut performances. Brilliant.

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{Ed0666's Note - jeez if you remember that game mate you must be as old as me.


 

 

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05 Jan 2021 16:51:45
We could always try snd unsettle the player. Then we could offer £10 million and Origi with a buy back clause.

There, easy.

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03 Oct 2020 06:15:41
Does anyone know how many players must test positive, then they have to cancel a game?

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24 Sep 2020 07:53:34
ta very much. Either amount is not bad as he obly played 1 game for us.

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04 Mar 2021 10:26:41
Good point.

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21 Feb 2021 17:47:19
Ed, would you consider dropping either Mane or Firminio? I know, replace them with who. I think you said a while ago about leaving them in the side to play their way back into form, correct me if im wrong.

Thanks for the reveiw by the way. Always love reading them.

wiltshire red

{Ed001's Note - that is the issue. Unless Jota is back, there is no real replacement for them. Letting Minamino go on loan was a big mistake.}


 

 

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15 Feb 2021 13:35:30
Hope not. Nobody could pronounce that. Sounds like a made up name. A bit like woogamumffgamumff.

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13 Feb 2021 20:37:14
Same as 6 times. I think our midfield are offering nothing going forward in terms of goals or assists. They are not offering any help to the defence either.

I don't like blame but that's where i would change things. I don't know who should play there or what set up it should be, but it needs changing.

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21 Jan 2021 22:35:40
We have managed all our injuries well until the last 5 games. We are playing players out of position and its creating problems through the middle of the team. As long as Matip is fit then Fabinho, Henderson if fit should play in their normal places. Henderson can give the impetus ( spelling ) and Fabinho the cover needed for Thiago to play further foreard and supply the passes the front 3 need.

Put Phillips at the back, but other than that don't change it.

The front 3 are struggling at the moment but sometimes the right pass from midfeild, the pressing will be better with Henderson there. We spent £45 million on Jota and he is injured. We can't go out and spend for the short term.

We are 6 points behind. that's all. The first time we have had a really poor run for 3 years or so. So pkease cut the team dome slack and stay positive no matter how difficult that feels.

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