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21 Apr 2021 16:28:51
Afernoon ed2, hope your well.

I have seen that Konate deal has supposedly been agreed for £32million.

Have you heard anything? .

BTW, thanks for all your updates over the last couple of days. You eds have certainly been busy.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - As far as I know the situation was awaiting Liverpool to say that they would pay the asking price in a single payment and for RBL to drop a little issuette they had raised. I am not aware of anything being agreed but it may well have been.}


1.) 21 Apr 2021 17:30:41
Cheers matey. Also, has there been any recent interest in any of our players? Miller, Awonyi or any of the younget playets?

{Ed002's Note - As far as I know, only Harvey Elliott (RW) who Blackburn would like to keep him on loan for another year.}


2.) 21 Apr 2021 17:51:08
Ed002, that loan has gone really well and full credit to Tony Mowbray for being confident in him and having the courage of his convictions to believe in the lad. I’d love to see Elliott given a go next season, do you think he’s ready for the first team or would another loan be better?

{Ed002's Note - The issue of him returning would be game time. If Klopp could use him with Salah in the same way as Jota/Mane and create a balance with Mane/Salah covering for Firmino, it will work. If he ends up further down the pecking order I am not so sure.}


 

 

27 Mar 2021 09:49:19
Morning ed2, hope you are well.

Ive seen this morning that we have apperently bid for Koulibaly.

Is there any truth in this or just another guess from the press?

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Kalidou Koulibaly (CB) Bayern Munich have put in an offer for KK that is much less (about half) than Napoli's valuation of €50M but financial issues may see Napoli either accept the deal - which I am told the player wants, or to ask for offers from elsewhere which is what Napoli have done with his agent. Although Carlo Ancelotti knows the player well it is unlikely Everton could raise the funds. A move to a Spanish club is probably not possible for legal reasons and the interest of PSG, Manchester City and Manchester United has likely gone due to his age. He would certainly give Klopp the starter he wants and there is no doubt about how good he is, but €50M for a 30 year old would not seem like good business. I am not aware of any offer but Liverpool may well have spoken with his agents.}


1.) 27 Mar 2021 10:41:59
I don't tnk it's true. if that bid was 30m maybe. when bayern bid 25 for him I doubt Michael Edwards would bid 15m more if there is a chance Napoli would accept it.


2.) 27 Mar 2021 10:44:08
50m euro is expensive yeah.
Eduards might be working his magic though, if Bayern are offering 25 then we might get him for little more than that?


3.) 27 Mar 2021 10:45:07
Thanks matey

Can i ask if there are any new snippits of info on incomings/ outgoings that have reached your shell like?

{Ed002's Note - It looks like Liverpool are not interested in keeping Wijnaldum so I expect he will go. I am not sure Liverpool have decided how to replace him yet - whether to use Curtis Jones as a starter in place of Wijnaldum and perhs bring in cover, or even use Grujic as cover - or to look to the likes of an Yves Bissouma or Florian Neuhaus type of player.}


4.) 27 Mar 2021 11:26:49
Interesting stuff as usual ed. ta.


5.) 27 Mar 2021 11:31:33
Mate is the sharkapod out? Tnx for hard work.

{Ed002's Note - It is a few weeks away.}


6.) 27 Mar 2021 11:46:45
No worries mate.


7.) 27 Mar 2021 11:58:51
Morning Ed, do Liverpool have the money to buy the likes of a starting cb and a midfielder, or will our transfer kitty come mainly from player sales? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have been accumulating debt in transfers for the past year by paying a small amount and agreeing future payments. The club have the facilities avialable to borrow from a financial institution if they want, but really should look to the funding of transfers through sales. The club, like others, will have suffered serious losses due to the pandemic and the match day income drying up. However, the club could work to sell the likes of Shaqiri, Wilson, Miller, Awoniyi, Origi, Grujic, Ojo, Larouci and even Tsimikas (who Napoli are interested in) to raise funds, and if they are looking to the future perhaps sacrifice one of the front three whilst they still have some value and look to add someone younger.}


8.) 27 Mar 2021 13:59:44
Thanks ed, i think the players on the list will make around £65m with a bit of luck maybe £75m if Edwards can work his magic. We could really do with the £30m we would have got from selling Gini.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have struggled to sell the likes of Grujic because of the asking price - with less money being available for players of this calibre, finding buyers might be difficult.}


9.) 27 Mar 2021 14:59:59
Very Interesting Ed002, thank you for that!


10.) 27 Mar 2021 17:14:03
Hi Ed 002,

Is it possible that Liverpool could use Tsimikas in a deal to sign Koulibaly?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It might be possible but Tsimikas has little value so it would not help a great deal.}


11.) 28 Mar 2021 10:55:19
ed002 Am not sure what we would get for Shaqiri, Wilson, Miller, Awoniyi, Origi, Grujic, Ojo and Tsimikas. But I would take one good CB in place of all them if you added up all there minutes over the past 2 season for Liverpool would not even be much as a squad player. As for A Gini replacement I would like Sander Berge but more to help the rotating Fabinho so Henderson does not have to drop back there and let Jones cover Gini's place. But if not Sander Berge a young defensive midfielder as Fabinho is the only one that plays that role in are squad and when Henderson drops back there we lose so much. To the Sander Berge point will he have some sort of clause in his contract if sheff utd get relegated.

{Ed002's Note - Sander Berge (DM/CM) Sheffield United accept that Berge will move in the summer and are hopeful of an auction - Arsenal are keen to resolve issues surrounding a number of loan/fringe and unwanted players and are keen to add Berge or Bissouma as a replacement. West Ham don't want to sell Rice, but if they end up accepting an offer, then he is one of the options on their list. I am not aware of any approach by Liverpool or Spurs at this time but Mr Mourinho has tried to by Berge in the past.}


12.) 28 Mar 2021 12:35:36
cheers ed002 yeah Berge to spurs would be a good move for them they need a DM bad I think there midfield has not looked right since they sold Dembele balance has been wrong ever since.


 

 

14 Mar 2021 13:02:19
Ed2, don't know if its been asked but will LFC be looking to sell Origi in the summer and what price do you think they would get for him.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Yes, Liverpool will look to sell Origi but finding a buyer who would match a perhaps £20M asking price will be a problem.}


1.) 14 Mar 2021 13:35:37
I think we need to be realistic on the asking price, it’s better to move the player on for a lower price than to keep them and miss out on a primary target.


2.) 14 Mar 2021 14:02:43
This is exactly my issue with this club when it comes to selling players, especially in a C.V. affected market. Nobody is paying 20 million pounds for Origi. He has been a ghost for the last 18 months. Try half that amount and maybe somebody may bite.
Same goes for Wilson, Shaq and Grujic as well. 10-12 million pounds apiece is a good price for these players since they have done very little in the last 18 months.


3.) 14 Mar 2021 14:16:28
If we had taken what Burnley and the unnamed Italian club offered for Wilson and Shaq (think it was 12 million pounds and 10 million euros respectively), it would have actually paid for Caleta-Car/ Bremer or whichever CB Klopp wanted and the club could have actually signed that CB up with the Wilson and Shaq money, and we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool never spoke to Marseille about Caleta-Car.}


4.) 14 Mar 2021 15:12:01
Everyone is an expert on transfers in hindsight.
I think the club have done a great job on transfers overall since Klopp took over, ins and outs.
Nobody could have predicted C.V. or the effects it would have on us financially, even the armchair experts.


5.) 14 Mar 2021 15:33:51
Do the club really think in this climate £20M is a reasonable asking fee. At this rate we are going to end up with Origi staying until his contract expires. He has been non existent for 18 months and some might argue even longer. Granted, on the extremely rare occasion he gets a goal they happened to be on the big stage. But those are far and few between and apart from that he offers nothing. We need to reduce the asking fee and just sell him, for our sakes and his.

{Ed0666's Note - are you seriously questioning the prowess of Micheal Edwards fam?


6.) 14 Mar 2021 16:17:58
Surely most targets have come down in price in light of the post CV market. we could have offloaded a few last season and bought a proper CB instead of playing fab out of position and hurting the team. Origi is a 10m player tops.


7.) 14 Mar 2021 16:21:55
Michael Edward is a magician. Never doubt him just think it’s more of my desperation to see Origi move on more than anything. Can’t blame me though, every time I see Origi standing on the touchline waiting to come on my heart just sinks. It is though we are playing with 10 men and it’s been that way for nearly 2 years now. Now reading what I wrote it does sound like I’m doubting him but that’s not the case. In Sir Michael Edwards I trust!


8.) 14 Mar 2021 23:24:46
Michael Edwards reading this thread right now. "hold my drink" . . . .
haha.

{Ed0666's Note - like Micheal Edwards can read


9.) 15 Mar 2021 04:11:44
The club did a great job on ins and outs - until about 18 months ago. Then the wheels started to come off.

The refusal to move on Origi and Shaqiri for what was offered a year or two ago was a blunder. If they were hardly to be used, what was the point of keeping them, irrespective of C.V.?

The refusal to bring in a central defender last summer was a bigger blunder.

The reluctance to bring in a central defender on January 1 was another one.

And if the club don't do everything they can to sign Haaland, that will be the biggest blunder of all.

Let's see what the club does. Because we won't be winning a lot of titles going forward with a bunch of injury-prone players and abound of players in their 30's with their best days behind them.

Apparently we are now looking at Konate. Why - because we don't already have enough injury-prone CB's?

{Ed001's Note - there was no refusals. This whole post is based on a lack of understanding of reality.}


10.) 15 Mar 2021 09:02:16
Red67 Because the club don't do what you'd like they're in the wrong?
And the club should be doing everything to sign Haaland, even though he isn't a stylistic fit for us?
No offence, but I'm glad you have zero input on transfers for the club.


11.) 16 Mar 2021 01:20:32
It’s funny when people start talking money with absolutely no clue about the financial aspects of club ownership. They think it’s FIFA.
All I can say is I hope your house comes on the market because when it does I’m offering you half the asking price and you should take it as you don’t want to live there anymore. What use is a house that you don’t want to live in after all?


12.) 17 Mar 2021 18:51:57
Spot on, Ed01. Complete lack of understanding of these things, comes to mind here. I am starting to believe that many on here have NO idea how transfers work and the many ups and down involved. Then, they make stuff up out if whole cloth to push their own narrative like saying the club refused to sell Origi. Or if we don’t sign Haaland (who we are NOT interested in) then, it would b a big mistake. Says who? Any Proof? Don’t need it if you can just make stuff up.

So If the club does not do what a fan wants then, they must have messed up. But if the club did what the same fan wanted then, they did not mess up. This is bipolar behaviour at its worst. Seriously, who thinks this way?


 

 

24 Dec 2020 18:44:26
Evening ed2

Would selling Origi in Jan help pay for CB, whoever that might be. Origi seems short of confidence and is getting very little game time. I don't think we would miss him tbh.

There seems to be intetest in him and other clubs are having issues with injuries so he might seem a good option.

What kind of fee, aprrox could we get.

Cheers matey, and have a great xmas.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Origi would likely fetch perhaps €15M but there is not a great deal of interest in him as far as I know. Liverpool need to better manage the squad - use what they have and make it through the season; already top of the table and players will be returning.}


1.) 25 Dec 2020 22:26:04
Unfortunately no centrebacks returning anytime soon.


2.) 26 Dec 2020 12:38:34
Yeah we don't need players but lorentz leaving we could take a chances on a center half to start or more cover

Rather wait then panic tho.


3.) 26 Dec 2020 16:41:38
What happen if fabinho gets injured.


4.) 27 Dec 2020 11:29:01
We saw what happened. Rhys and Philips stepped up and did decent. If it was up to me. I would wait till the end of season. Look how Gomez and VVD are doing, sell Matip as he is way to injury prone. And get 1 or 2 CB. Prob sell Philips if he didn't do well while covering or simply he wants to leave as he is 23? and prob whants to play. Keep Rhys.


5.) 27 Dec 2020 18:35:38
We need a centre back with pace big time.


6.) 27 Dec 2020 21:51:02
Stepping in for a game is not the same as playing every week incl CL. Williams has done well but he has zero pace. We sit too deep with him and fab hence our press is often off and on.


 

 

15 Oct 2020 22:11:15
Evening ed 2.

Will we get any kind of loan fee for Herbie Kane going to Barnsley?

Also, is it true wr are asking Cardiff for £1million plus for a Harry Wilson loan?

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - (a) I would not think so. They may contribute to wages. (B) More.}


1.) 16 Oct 2020 14:44:54
Kane was sold for £1.25mil.

{Ed002's Note - Another shame isn't it. Another "club developed" player leaving.}


2.) 16 Oct 2020 15:49:45
Ed002 I don't think its a shame if he was only good enough for Barnsley and not even a low level prem side his never going to make it with us so good luck to the lad he can settle down at a club for the long term.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will he playing with smaller squads in Europe and when the rules in the Premier League change they will have a smaller squad than others sides. Kane was well thought of by the pub - I guess they don’t know their stuff.}


3.) 16 Oct 2020 19:03:26
he might have been well thought of ed but he was way down the pecking order and would have never got any minutes best thing for him like Brewster I wanted him to stay and play but would have done him no good.


4.) 16 Oct 2020 19:25:36
Sometimes Grino you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.


5.) 16 Oct 2020 20:04:27
The Irish Rover hopefully he does well there and gets a move back to the prem but it would have done him no good staying here. He is about to turn 22 in November and we are stacked out where he plays and it is much better for him to move and play first team football rather than play U23 level with us.


6.) 17 Oct 2020 09:54:41
Exactly Irish. If we’d kept hold of him we’d be accused of blocking his career. You really can’t win.
Unfortunately at all clubs the vast majority of promising youngsters don’t end up being good enough for the first team, especially at the top of the premier league.


7.) 17 Oct 2020 09:55:49
Grino75, I agree with you.
In fat, think about players who Liverpool willingly let go, any of them went on to do big things? Probably none. Unlike Sancho, De Bruyne, etc.
Think about Ibe, Solanke, and many more.
Prove 2 things,
1. Liverpool does well in letting go players who can’t make it.
2. Liverpool doesn’t develop enough good enough players.


 

 

 

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13 Jun 2021 14:35:36
Only 33 mins in and to think they would pick Walker before TAA

He might be quock. erm good job if he keeps giving the ball away.

wiltshire red

1.) 13 Jun 2021 17:12:24
Southgate will always Choose walker, it's not that difficult to know why the likes of Tripier, sterling walker etc are picked coz they've done exceptionally well Since he's appointment.

They were instrumental when Eng reached SF in last WC. Why wld he Changed when they've never let him down?

A lot of people have got problem with Southgate I get that but you can't deny what he's doing no ENG manager could do in recent yrs despite having golden generation of eng players at their disposal. Where Southgate has done exceptionally well with young talent and reached SF in last WC.


2.) 13 Jun 2021 17:43:13
Sorry, but Southgate got lucky due to how the draw fell. Then got found out by superior opponents. Mark my words, against the French, Belgians, Germans or Spanish his “tactics” will come thoroughly undone.


3.) 13 Jun 2021 18:23:22
anyone who knows anything little abt sport will tell you everyone needs abit of luck, even we needed to win our trophies. So did ENG when they lifted for the 1st time Cricket WC. To use that as a stick to beat Southgate is appalling.

Southgate has better ratio then any ENG manager that just tells you what a phenomenal job he has done.


4.) 13 Jun 2021 19:11:49
The point is, against better opponents, both technically and tactically he was found out for his shortcomings, no amount of him going on about three lions on a shirt, let’s get the together as a nation bullsh*t, bleating on about the spirit of 66, Agincourt or any other jingoistic tub thumping nonsense will do that.


5.) 13 Jun 2021 19:43:22
Which better opponents you are talking abt? Croatia?

It's not Like ENG were winning major tournaments or consistently playing SF before he's appointment was it? Neither do have best squad in the tournament so all this noise is absolutely nonsense.


6.) 13 Jun 2021 20:00:07
Hasn't a better "ratio" than Big Sam so clearly hasn't the best "ratio" of any England manager.


7.) 13 Jun 2021 20:30:06
Lol mane I'm sure Big Sam one game counts more then SF here 🤣🤣.


8.) 13 Jun 2021 22:30:59
Southgate is useless. It’s very easy to win lots of games in charge of a top National side as the way seeding works you never actually play anyone decent competitively until a big tournament comes up and we will get spanked by any one of the other decent sides.
That Croatia side were bang average today and any side hoping to win this tournament should be sticking 3 or 4 past them.
He’s just too negative and tries for the clean sheet first and hopes to nick one at the other end. Today it worked but against better opposition we’ll get found out.


9.) 13 Jun 2021 22:08:59
Kopforever, VVVV is correct. Southgate got the luck of being not just in the weakest group but in the weaker path to the final unlike the Belgians who had to get thru two cliffhangers vs Japan and Brazil to get to the semis where they fell to a setpiece goal to France. Those are the facts.

I fully agree with you that you need a bit of luck in a tournament to get far BUT if Southgate was anywhere near good enuff, he would have been able to ride that wave all the way to the final. Instead, he got shown up for the terrible manager he was vs the first good team England faced in Croatia where he got absolutely schooled by Dalic who is no tactical genius himself. The guy is clueless and many of us know it.

Stats don’t mean anything here in terms of his winning ratio. When the going gets tough where your coaching mettle will be tested, he folds like a cheap rug. Let’s see what happens in this comp. and we can discuss then.


10.) 13 Jun 2021 22:58:00
OilRed mate that's the problem when Eng wins the side is "Bang average" when "ENG" loses "Southgate" is useless.

By your own definition Dalic shooled Southgate but today when Southgate schooled Dalic Croatia were bang average haha.

ENG reached SF with very young inexperience team, if it was that easy then why others with more experience then ENG in their team couldn't go through? they had every opportunity when they played ENG to dump them before SF? after all it was easy peasy?


11.) 14 Jun 2021 06:49:42
I think you need to wait and see where England end up in this competition before judging Southgate.

I’m in the same boat as most that he’s a very limited manager. His route to the semi couldn’t have been softer. We played good sides 3 times in that tournament and we lost all 3 of them.

Other managers performances in major tournaments are not really comparable as we’ve previously been knocked out by the likes of Brazil, Portugal a couple of times, Italy and Germany. Had Southgate met a Croatia earlier in the World Cup, we’d have been out at that point instead.

I’d be delighted if Southgate proves us all wrong but I really don’t think he will.


12.) 14 Jun 2021 08:54:03
Kopforever, you are making straw man arguments here. Football is more nuanced than that. You can win games and still be a poor or bang average team and manager overall. Zidane has won 3 CLs in a row yet was bang average in la Liga against a Barcelona team on its last legs which is why I don’t rate him overall. Not comparing both teams or managers but explaining nuance.

You are correct with the narrative you expouse about England BUT both can be correct. Dalic schooled Southgate at the WC cos he had a plan and knew where to hurt England and we all saw the loss coming. In this game, I have no idea what Dalic was trying to do. He bottled it vs an England team he could have got more against. We will see where England finish BUT until he does it vs a very good team in the latter stages, the guy is bang average just like Roy before him.


13.) 14 Jun 2021 09:26:00
England’s World Cup run was the grimmest run to a semi final I have ever seen. Never seen such boring football. Beat an amateur team, just about beat Colombia in a lottery draw and got beat 3 times in the tournament. Horrific manager, the style of football is abysmal. He has no idea what to do with all of the wonderful attacking talent England have.


14.) 14 Jun 2021 10:04:31
I agree with VVVV, against better teams, he has always been found out. If I remember correctly, didn’t he play a weakened team against one of the teams in our group (Belgium wasn’t it? ) so that is we lost, we came second in the group which would lead to an easier route to the final, and then in the semis we came across a decent team and lost (no surprise there) .


15.) 14 Jun 2021 10:36:54
Yeah, 3 years can change a lot.


 

 

25 May 2021 08:49:09
Morning all.

Im getting all excited about Konate joining us.

I have not even seen him play, but going by the eds descriptions of how good he is i can't wait.

Leaves us just a Bissouma to go and then Bobs your uncle, title number 21.

Forever the optimist.

wiltshire red

1.) 25 May 2021 09:04:52
Morning WR, where are the goals going to come from? Are you expecting back to back titles?


2.) 25 May 2021 09:06:19
What about title 20, wiltshire red?


3.) 25 May 2021 09:10:30
On a more serious note (I forgive the typo, getting 3rd this season certainly feels like a title! ), I too am looking forward to seeing him play. Decent competition for Joe, and hopefully there will be a few games where we play Gomez and Konate as that could be a hint to the future.

Worried about his injuries, but let's see how we go.


4.) 25 May 2021 09:27:41
Has anyone seen play him in order to offer an opinion on how good he is/ can be?

I haven’t seen him but guessing he is a good prospect for that fee and his age. Guessing he will be first choice as that was Klopp was after?

Did feel a twinge of excitement at the prospect of us getting deals done quickly tho. Mr edwards, I bow to your transfer market ability sir.

🤙.


5.) 25 May 2021 09:31:05
Looks like he's a secret United fan.


6.) 25 May 2021 09:48:56
Need a CF to win the league next year imo. Ideally someone who can get on the end of trent’s crosses. Imagine how many assists he would get if we could bring on a target man if needed.


7.) 25 May 2021 09:55:14
Sorry about the typo. Basic error purely down to all the excitement.

Glad to see the back of this season.


8.) 25 May 2021 10:20:38
Those two signings (Konate, Bissouma) would definitely strengthen us but we must not forget that our forwards have become less and less clinical over the last 24 months and has probably been as big a contributor to our poor season as the injuries. We need to add a forward that can score goals and challenge for a starting position.

And failing that, the coaching staff need to work on the forwards finishing and decision-making under pressure. We should have done that last summer to be honest after seeing too many close calls in games we utterly dominated. Luckily our defence and midfield was available to bail us out that year.


9.) 25 May 2021 10:55:06
I think the front 3 will come right next season. We'd be mightily unlucky to experience the same systemic issues next season and I think we will lay a more consistent foundation for the attackers. Bobby and Mane started to come right once we had a more consistent and settled defense-midfield and I think that will be key for next season.
assuming all 3 are here, then I think they will be just fine.


10.) 25 May 2021 11:39:35
I think we need some goals from midfield and not sure bissouma offers that. I'd look elsewhere.


11.) 25 May 2021 14:03:50
MartyMcFly, Bissouma actually offers goals and has goals in his games. The thing is that sometimes, he does not get forward or close to the box as often for Brighton cos Lallana and Trossard play ahead of him. When he can get forward, he can score goals.


12.) 25 May 2021 16:53:30
Hi Oli. If he scores then great. How many did he score last season? I still think we need some creativity in there. I thought Thiago would score more goals.


13.) 25 May 2021 19:18:33
Marty as I mentioned, Bissouma has goals in his repertoire and can score goals cos he has done so in the past. As I mentioned, he did not play that further forward this season cos Lallana played ahead of him. In fact he played the DM role at Anfield where he was excellent. I don’t know how many goals he scored this past season cos I don’t have the nos. cos I’m not too hung up on stats and also, that is not Bissouma’s game in the main.

As for creativity, Thiago was brought in to add creativity to our team to help Bobbie and the fullbacks so if you thought Thiago would score goals for fun then, you are barking up the wrong tree cos that is not his game even tho when he gets forward, he can score goals .


 

 

11 May 2021 14:45:06
Afternoon eds n reds

Dont know if its in the news or not but my local club, Swindon hope to have Robbie Fowler as manager. Someone i know who works there has told me they want to get it done qiuckly. They are 'in discussion' as we speak.

I met him back in 1997 or 98 and he came across as a quiet chap but a good sense of humour. Mind you, he had to be with the team he was playing with that day.

Ed1, whay do you think about him as a manager.

wiltshire red

{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, he has never really been tested in a good league. The problem I see with him is that the game came natural to him, so he might not know how to teach others.}


1.) 11 May 2021 18:05:40
I hope he realisrs what a crap owner Power is. Disliked by the local press, fans and players.

He is trying to sell the club even though some of it is owned by someone else.


2.) 11 May 2021 18:12:52
Interesting view point that, Ed. Perhaps players like (for example) Carra and Hendo are better management material as they had to really work at their game to get to a certain level, Klopp being a prime example. Whereas players who had so much natural ability struggled as managers - Maradona for example?

It'd be a great thesis project for someone to properly investigate whether there is a correlation between natural ability (however you would measure that?! ) and managerial ability.

I'm sure there's plenty of examples that both prove and disprove the theory but I wonder if there is any statistical correlation.?


3.) 11 May 2021 20:07:38
Cruyff, Busby, Guardiola, Ancelotti, King Kenny are a few great players turned managers off the top of my head.


4.) 12 May 2021 10:19:47
Pep was not a great player, IMO.

{Ed001's Note - it is irrelevant whether they were great or not, black47 has completely missed the point. It is about whether it came natural to them or they had to work at it. In Cruyff's case, technique and skill etc came natural to him but he then spent his time trying to learn the tactical side, rather than just settling for being a great player.

Guardiola was definitely not naturally skilful, he worked with Cruyff to become the player he was, mainly regarding the tactical side.}


 

 

04 Apr 2021 13:24:30
Morning all.

I don't do twitter/ facebook or any of the other social media sites.

Was wondering, do players ever take much notice of what is written, whether good or bad.

I know they have twitter accounts etc but they can be run by management companies that look after all their interests.

I only pick up from this site some of what is being said or the abuse being reported on the news.

Is there any case of a player being affected by it?

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - There have been plenty of cases of players being affected by what happens on social media.}


1.) 04 Apr 2021 13:52:10
Are you able to give a particular instance?

{Ed002's Note - There has been a couple of Liverpool players as an example.}


2.) 04 Apr 2021 17:38:34
Try Neco a few weeks ago for a start.


 

 

18 Mar 2021 15:37:47
Ed1, i was wondering what your thoughts are on Kabak.

He started off like a rabbit in the headlights but seems to have improved over time.

Have you seen enough from him or was it that he could not have been so poor as he was in the first 2 games.

I think its helped having Phillips next to him somewhat. Do you see him getting better still? Finally, do you have any clues what the coaches think of him.

Cheers matey.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know what the coaches think of him, but they must see something in him to keep playing him rather than bringing Fabinho back in as a defender.

He has defo improved markedly, he is starting to build an understanding with Phillips, which is the key to the improvement. Now they are positioning themselves to cover each other, rather than just being two individuals at the back. He is decent enough on the ball, but takes the easy option far too often for my liking. He needs to be more incisive with his passing, rather than just going back or sideways repeatedly. When he does pass forward, he looks really good. I do have fears about his awareness though, he is beaten by a run in behind far too easily still, because he just isn't aware of the run being made.}


1.) 18 Mar 2021 19:12:22
I actually thought he turns slower than a tug boat but maybe like you said Eds1 it’s awareness as he’s still very young?

{Ed001's Note - he doesn't turn quickly, but I do think that is because he is reacting to a run that has already gone past him, so it makes him look slower. Cruyff always used to say that he wasn't fast, it was just that he started running a few seconds before everyone else, so he looked quicker. While everyone else was having to get going, he was already gone. I think there is a lot of that with Kabak, he is accelerating while everyone else has already gone. I noticed in the last game that, when he wasn't caught out he was quick enough to keep pace, so I do think it is awareness that is the big issue.}


2.) 18 Mar 2021 20:32:45
Thanks again ed. Always appreciate all the eds replies and incites. Even ed77.

{Ed0666's Note - you do mean insight and not incite right? Because Eds 077 is great at the latter 😂


3.) 18 Mar 2021 21:53:41
Yeah but kabak beside van dyke a strong vocal presence at the back giving orders and demanding more rather than phillips who isn't a leader

I think kabak has showing he can learn and build a understanding with a partner and with hard work and building confidence why not

If he show consistency until the head of the season he would feel confident about getting the move.


4.) 18 Mar 2021 22:08:30
Yeah, reading the game early enough is the key. I was no doubt the slowest defender in our back line much of the time, but I could see the run or potential through ball and move to cut out the danger. Playing at a state level we had guys doing stats the last couple of years I played. The coach wanted to blood some younger CB's, fair enough. They were super quick, but conceded 1.8 goal a game over 10 games as opposed to my .9 a game. 3 years later though and they were beating my stats and looked cruisy doing it :)


5.) 19 Mar 2021 05:24:25
Burkeyboy you show off.
I can eat a bag of chips in one sitting.


6.) 19 Mar 2021 07:08:59
Also worth noting that he is only 20 years old and - in my opinion - doesn’t look half bad for his age. For ‘just’ £18m I think we should take a punt especially if he improves over the next ten games at the same rate he has over the last 5.


7.) 19 Mar 2021 09:04:26
Crazy, you did read that they were bettering me within a few years and making it look easy? I can also perform wonders with quavers. Now that's showing off 😀.


8.) 19 Mar 2021 10:26:02
Ed if those are his issues then I think, he can improve. I think he is taking the safer passing option now cos he is still bedding or it is what he is being told to do by the coaches if he is not sure if the incisive pass is on.

As for his lack of awareness, that will come with good coaching, more experience (if he is kept, of course) and better CB's around him cos he is very quick BUT needs to be aware of the run before it is made. Just my take.


 

 

 

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25 May 2021 13:37:30
When he leaves would we get a fee? . If so, how much. ish.

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21 Apr 2021 17:30:41
Cheers matey. Also, has there been any recent interest in any of our players? Miller, Awonyi or any of the younget playets?

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Interesting stuff as usual ed. ta.

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27 Mar 2021 10:45:07
Thanks matey

Can i ask if there are any new snippits of info on incomings/ outgoings that have reached your shell like?

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{Ed002's Note - It looks like Liverpool are not interested in keeping Wijnaldum so I expect he will go. I am not sure Liverpool have decided how to replace him yet - whether to use Curtis Jones as a starter in place of Wijnaldum and perhs bring in cover, or even use Grujic as cover - or to look to the likes of an Yves Bissouma or Florian Neuhaus type of player.}


 

 

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I wonder if Klopp will go back for him in the summer?

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Like it.

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Just to deviate Davedee. So gpod to see ed25 and his attempts at humour.

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