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13 Apr 2024 14:09:55
Don't count your chickens. There's a very good chance amorim could stay at sporting.
He has more to lose than gain by coming to Liverpool, right now it's a tough sell to people on the up. That's not me saying that, it's a few agents I met at an event I was at recently. One agent suggested it would be better for Liverpool to look for someone trying to rebuild their reputation instead as it's an opportunity for them rather than a risk.
1.) 13 Apr 2024 14:55:49
Really.
2.) 13 Apr 2024 15:26:11
I can see the point of view of the agents.
The next man in has a big job on his hands.
There is a bit of a rebuilding process to do and not a lot of money to do it with.
The knives will be out early on you can be sure of that.
Plus they have to work in a system with Edwards and Hughes so some loss of autonomy.
It’s a tough job, needs someone with some backbone.
Who knows, maybe it will be Potter?
3.) 13 Apr 2024 15:53:43
He looks nailed on to me.
Although I said the same about Alonso. Lol
But only he knows what’s going on his own head.
Liverpool will always be a tempting prospect for any manager who wants to prove himself though. Especially when the squad is quite young and in good shape, not much of a rebuilding job like usual, more tweaks.
4.) 13 Apr 2024 15:56:52
Wouldn't trust a football agent in the wild as far as I can throw him/ her.
Liverpool is an attractive job for any ambitious manager/ coach. We have record breaking revenues, good youngsters, excellent training facilities and are proactively strengthening the football structure again under someone who has a track record of success with us. Klopp is not leaving a mess behind him. And most importantly, Liverpool fans are always patient, supportive and hopeful as long as you take some time to understand the culture and avoid the Hodgson and Rogers-style "charm".
If an incoming coach is frightened of Klopp's legacy even after us not having won one of the big prizes (CL or PL) in 5 years, then they are not the right guy for Liverpool.
5.) 13 Apr 2024 16:03:46
If any, would be, manager is scared, we are better off without them. A young (ish) team, with a few tactical tweaks and sales/ purchases and they'll have an almost perfect team. I don't buy this "tough act to follow" or "tough sell" malarkey. Any decent young manager, with anything about themselves, would jump at the chance.
6.) 13 Apr 2024 16:41:11
A manager looking to rebuild their reputation should be avoided at all costs. Look at the current crop out there who meet that criteria of being sacked and having a poor reputation in need of rebuilding (or in Tuchel’s case on the verge of getting sacked and having an appalling reputation, again), Mourinho, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Flick, Potter, Conte, Low, Lopetegui and that’s without mentioning the dregs like Gerrard, Lampard, Solsjkear et al.
Not exactly an inspiring list and not one of them is remotely good enough or competent enough for the job for multiple reasons. If we end up with one of that lot then we’d be just as well to write the next 18 months off or more. There are certain managers who don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt or patience.
7.) 13 Apr 2024 21:07:08
I don’t feel it’s a case of being scared, more of a case of timing.
Next man in is going to be compared to Klopp, who won everything except the Europa League (you still never know) .
For some managers on the rise, it’s not the right time. For the likes of Potter it’s a great chance, for Alonso and Amorim there is a lot of risk compared to waiting in the wings.
8.) 13 Apr 2024 21:11:13
Only Amorim knows what’s going on in his head. For me, and going by ITK’s, both him and Alonso are the standout candidates. Well, were because Alonso removed himself from the running - that Amorim is set to become our new manager. As for the attractiveness of our club. That would be totally subjective. What you’re saying might be true in some cases. But then on the other hand, a number of managers would relish the fact a summer clear out is looking likely. Simply because we have a number of talented players they could work around. And funds raised from sells along with a set transfer budget would ensure they get the players they want in order to execute their vision. Now, I could be totally wrong here but I see a bigger clear out then some might be expecting.
Salah turns 32 in a few months. Is still a good player but is naturally on the decline. Plus, this is the last time we could get a good transfer fee for him. In my opinion he is off to Saudi Arabia, and if we can fetch between £100 million - £150 million we have to take sentiments out of it and sell. At the end of the day all good things must come to an end. As for Diaz, his father is doing a press tour about Diaz playing for a Spanish club or a top European club for that matter, which I find strange. I’m at the stage where if a player wants to go just go, no matter who they are. If we can fetch £70 million or thereabouts then sell. So Diaz is another one I see gone this summer. One that might be going under the radar is VVD, who might want to leave this summer. It would be his last chance of a big pay day and I’m sure his agent could drum up interest from one of the top European sides to facilitate that. Plus he turns 33 in July so Edwards and Hughes will most likely sell instead of extending his contract and paying him £200k plus a week, which makes sense.
I see Kostas sold, and his ability and performances means I don’t need to elaborate on the reasons why. Kelleher might ask to leave for the sake of his career. And yes he’s played a lot of games this season but that was down to Allison having a lot of injuries which has never happened since his move from Roma. Not much needs to be said about Thiago, Adrian or Matip as their contracts expire this summer. Tyler Morton and Carvalho could be given a chance but equally they might come back after tasting first team football and ask to leave if interest from other clubs is there. Or it might not be their decisions if Edwards and Hughes feel they could get good money for both. Another thing is we keep getting linked to DM’s, which could be media rubbish. But if it is Amorim coming in and if the media noise is true then he might bring one with him. Personally I would be happy with Endo and Bajcetic but if a DM is brought in we might cash in on Endo, which will not go down well with a large number of the fanbase, although I trust them those in charge in whatever they decide to do. Edwards and Hughes might be thinking we could make some profit on him when you factor in age (31) and low fee paid to bring him in. Then lastly there is Konate. He has all the attributes to be a good defender but whenever you think he is kicking on his lapse in concentration rears it’s ugly head. Not to mention the fact you can’t rely on him as a first choice CB due to his consistent injuries. If PSG who he has spoken about decide to come in for him this summer I see him gone.
All speculation of course. But whatever happens in the summer, I’m actually very positive. Safe to say exciting times ahead with Edwards, Hughes and hopefully Amorim.
9.) 13 Apr 2024 21:22:08
FPF, record breaking revenues? Don’t Utd& City both have higher revenues in the PL alone? Pretty sure Barcelona and Real have higher too so not sure what records are being broken.
10.) 13 Apr 2024 21:33:47
In just the same vein Amorim, or any other manager on the up as you say might have a rubbish season next year, stick falls and he is never mentioned for the top jobs ever again.
Contrary to what many are saying, the fact that following Klopp will inevitably be difficult kind of gives successors and bit of a free pass. Amorim and Alonso could come here and fail and it would be out down to Klopp hangover rather than any issue on their part.
Whereas if they stay at lower clubs now they might completely screw it up next year and never get mentioned for the top clubs again. No, when the top clubs come calling you go for it. I reckon the only reason Alonso isn't is that he is waiting for Madrid but he might not get it if he gets Leverkusen relegated next year. ?.
11.) 13 Apr 2024 23:24:09
Fuser, you can break your own revenue records too.
As for City’s revenue - less said the better.
12.) 13 Apr 2024 23:28:32
Ron - sounds like another way of describing being scared :)
By the same token, these managers that are hoping to rebuild their reputations would have pretty poor judgement to take a job whereby the fanbase is split on their ability and reputation.
13.) 13 Apr 2024 18:22:29
Load of nonsense, any manager who is worth their salt will want this job. If Amorim would rather stay at sporting then he’s not a manager worth his salt, so isn’t worth the LFC job.
14.) 14 Apr 2024 01:12:04
Maybe he might be happy and settled where he and his family are.
15.) 14 Apr 2024 03:48:36
Good post, alonso1786, and ill add that the exit of some/ all of those players might provide a tempting war chest for the next manager. Salah and Diaz could possibly add as much as 200m between them which, if reinvested, would be a carrot on a stick for most managers.
16.) 14 Apr 2024 08:55:10
@Andyjh83 - so Alonso “is not worth his salt”?
Unusual take but you do you.
17.) 14 Apr 2024 09:45:58
Konate is world class, in my opinion, people forget how young he is, and that he's already played a great world cup campaign. Injuries are an issue, and yes he loves his home town club, but why on earth would anyone want to sell such a great player?
VVD-Real would likely wait until he's out of contract and it will be interesting in general, to see how Edwards manages the potential clear out that are you talking about Alonso.
Endo has been a revelation, why on earth would anyone want to sell him? He has given his heart and soul in most games. He is a legend in the making.
18.) 14 Apr 2024 19:25:32
I have a feeling we won’t get him, as people have said he has more to lose coming to us than staying in Portugal. Knowing FSG they’ll go for Gary O’Neil or Graham Potter.
19.) 14 Apr 2024 23:38:54
More to lose coming to us than staying in Portugal? ah here, either these people want to be footballing legends or they dont. Who turns down liverpool to stay in Portugal?
20.) 15 Apr 2024 07:25:53
I just keep thinking back to our former player - Alonso - turning us down to stay at Leverkussen.
Once that happened then anything is possible and nothing is certain.
There’s a reason Xabi turned us down. For CL with Leverkussen is what some people say. So he prefers that to CL with Liverpoool?
Building a team in Leverkussen - he’s only been there 1 full season.
There’s another reason we’re not being told.
21.) 15 Apr 2024 10:03:18
How about he just doesn’t want to manage Liverpool next season @Ron?
22.) 15 Apr 2024 13:19:41
Alonso just won Leverkusen's 1st ever league title at the first time of asking and has not lost a game all season - AND it's his first full season managing a senior team. There is absolutely no way you can compare that to someone like Amorim, who is in his 2nd senior management role, has previously won the league with his team, and could bow out with a league and cup double.
Alonso made the right decision for him at the time, and I completely understand why. He also came out and said "I'm staying", whereas Amorim has said "I don't want to discuss it right now".
01 Jan 2024 14:02:08
Are Liverpool interested in Michael olise?
Thanks ed.
{Ed002's Note - Michael Olise (RW/AM) PSG and Manchester City want him as cover although the departure of Mahrez will mean more opportunities now, the position is effectively Foden's. If de Bruyne or Silva were to depart, he becomes an option again. Crystal Palace has no real interest in selling but know that Chelsea want to take Olise back to Stamford Bridge and Olise has made clear that one day he wants to be playing with his brother. Down the list of AM players Chelsea want but they will perhaps push for him. His representative has said no other clubs have made an approach for Olise - but maybe Klopp's obsession with Chelsea Academy players will continue.}
1.) 01 Jan 2024 23:13:12
If Chelsea don’t know what to do with them then why not? ??♂️.
21 Dec 2023 02:54:26
Hi ed,
Nacional are reporting klopp has been chatting to laporta to replace xavi in the summer. Any truth to that?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Xavi Hernandez (C) It would be a surprise if he will see the season out. Laporta has previously approached Jurgen Klopp through Marc Kosicke and would likely enquire again but it does not seem likely anything will happen. I would discount Pep Guardiola as well. Girona's Michel Sanchez would be another who Barcelona could look to. Deco has a preferred option in Roberto De Zerbi that he has shared with Yuste and Laporte.}
1.) 21 Dec 2023 13:03:42
Have you had a chance to watch Leverkusen this season at all Ed? And if so do you rate Alonso as a coach?
Haven’t watched them at all but certainly seems to be doing well.
{Ed002's Note - Alonso is doing really well this season and he is on the list of options for Real Madrid.}
2.) 21 Dec 2023 13:21:34
Alonso is the man I want to succeed Klopp. He plays exciting football, his team scores a lot of goals. And importantly, his team racks up 3 points after 3 points, week in week out. They quite possibly could break up the two team or should I say one team stronghold and win the league.
3.) 21 Dec 2023 20:53:28
I don't see anything but Klopp extending with us. He's not going to leave this developing team without seeing us realize our potential. Jmo.
4.) 21 Dec 2023 21:16:06
I remember Klopp being asked if he would like to manage in Spain and he said no as he does not speak Spanish.
I think Liverpool will be the last club side Klopp manages I think he has stated he would like the German national job one day.
I think that will be his next job after us then he will be able to take a bit of a step back from everyday work.
5.) 24 Dec 2023 12:10:16
I would still be wary about Alono. As much as I hope he will do well I don’t understand why he’s already a favourite to succeed Klopp after half a season if success. Give people a chance to prove themselves over a few seasons.
{Ed001's Note - it is more than half a season. He performed a minor miracle last season with them too. Before that he did really well with the B team at Sociedad and prior to that he was impressing with Madrid's youth teams. That used to be enough to get a top job like ours. I mean it is more than Paisley did or Fagan. He is favourite because he has stardust sprinkled about him right now, a bit like Guardiola did or Klopp in his early days. When you look at the options out there, there are very few that stand out, other than him.}
6.) 24 Dec 2023 13:33:08
Great passer, great vision, great guy. Played for Sociedad, Liverpool, Real, Bayern and the best Spanish national team in history. And played under Rafa, Mourinho, Guardiola and Ancelotti. Is there a better football education?
Only thing he missed out on was working with Klopp.
7.) 24 Dec 2023 13:38:26
I fully take your point. But the problem is when such managers don’t deliver (which means winning a major trophy at a club like Liverpool) they are put under immense pressure and are not usually given too much time. I’d say Arteta is an unusual exception even though I don’t see him as a talented manager. Many managers would have done better than him if they had been given that much time. That being said I wish Alonso well and I’ll be right behind him if and when he comes to Liverpool.
8.) 24 Dec 2023 16:49:44
Rather Alonso than Liners. That said I'd prefer Rodgers coming back than Liners. Both similar but at least Rodgers has some pedigree.
9.) 24 Dec 2023 16:50:30
FyI before someone jumps down my throat I absolutely do not want Rodgers to come back and my comparison of him to Linders is intentionally negative.
10.) 26 Dec 2023 06:18:45
I agree Westwood about Rodgers, his ego is his downfall.
11.) 27 Dec 2023 06:45:29
Alonso over Rodgers anyday.
13 Aug 2023 06:10:34
It was about 1.5 - 2 years ago when I said that a young sandro tonali was taking English lessons and also getting personal mentoring from Roberto Baggio.
Despite people saying he would never leave Italy I was pretty sure he would, though I didn't know to who.
I also said malinkovic-Savic was available but Liverpool would need to outbid another teams contract offer.
I also said coutinho was joining way before anyone else did.
I don't get every piece of info correct because football transfer is a fast changing landscape even when you have first hand knowledge. But I share what I do hear and know.
I heard this morning that there would be no point bidding for valverde as he has no interest in coming to Liverpool.
I also heard that we are heavily scouting a CB in Brasil who will succeed VVD though i couldn't get a name. Maybe the eds know?
Nevada.
1.) 13 Aug 2023 07:14:51
Firminos Teeth has got some competition. Keep the vague info coming Nevada.
2.) 13 Aug 2023 07:29:12
That came across more salty than I meant it to be. I was going for light hearted joke. Hope you didn't take offence. Keep the posts coming Nevada and let's see what you got. You could be the real deal and I really hope you are right that a top CB is coming. I'm hoping for Ignacio myself.
Also I love Firminos Teeth. He embraces the rumours site and has a great personality.
3.) 13 Aug 2023 07:38:23
So your only transfer news Nevada is Valverde doesn’t want to come even though we haven’t bid and we want a mystery unnamed CB. It’s amazing you don’t have your own column in the Daily Mirror.
4.) 13 Aug 2023 08:26:00
If mr. x says Liverpool are signing 100s of players every year even he will get 1-2 correct.
5.) 13 Aug 2023 08:40:59
Thanks Nev ?.
6.) 13 Aug 2023 08:56:03
Cheers Nevada ?.
7.) 13 Aug 2023 09:30:16
Well said Davey. Personality good, humour better, Irony best. Go Nev, go FT. Entertain us.
8.) 13 Aug 2023 09:10:04
Virgil Vanaldinho?
9.) 13 Aug 2023 09:12:32
Thanks, Nevada. Ignore the negative responses.
10.) 13 Aug 2023 09:50:27
Guy puts up a rumour and usual suspects slap him down, should change this pages name to Liverpool Absolute Facts Only Page.
11.) 13 Aug 2023 10:59:33
FWIW Murillo at Corinthians looks like a promising LCB.
12.) 13 Aug 2023 11:08:35
You know I gave the information beforehand about previous tips I gave to try and qualify what I was saying. I also then said information is very rarely 100% in transfers until the paperwork is signed.
Those kind of comments are why macca doesn't post anymore and why eds are sometimes reluctant to give details.
The areas in which I get info are serie a (specifically udinese, juventus, Milan and fiorentina) and real Madrid.
I'm a sports psychologist and have worked in italy, USA and currently Philippines. I've worked in soccer, ice hockey and basketball. That's how I get info sometimes and I share it when it's relevant to Liverpool because I'm a fan and I know how thirsty for info fans can be.
You can choose to believe or not believe if you want but I did call a few even eds did - coutinho I called while the eds were saying it was dead in the water.
Side note : despite his rep at Liverpool now coutinho is genuinely quite a nice lad.
I've also got many wrong but I don't post saying we will sign someone unless I think there's a good chance.
Finally I mentioned valverde because some posters asked about him and I happened to know he has no interest in LFC
Hope that clears up things, I'll share whatever I get regardless of the negative responses.
Thanks all and let's **** Chelsea up today
Nevada.
13.) 13 Aug 2023 11:51:19
Nice work Nevada, you post rumours on a rumours site. I do not understand how you can be criticised for that. Most of us appreciate the input but there is always somebody looking to shoot you down.
14.) 13 Aug 2023 11:53:27
Thanks Nevada, most people appreciate it, especially the way you don’t post stuff as ‘facts’ like some dentally-focussed posters do!
I’m sad (but happy to know) about Valverde as he was one I secretly held hope for. Have your sources suggested the same about Tchouameni or does he remain a possibility?
15.) 13 Aug 2023 12:02:34
Keep the info coming Navada, even if you get negative feedback from some “fans”. Positive posts are a breath of fresh air.
16.) 13 Aug 2023 13:27:24
Wait a second Nevada isn't Macca? I was sure it was Macca under an alias.
{Ed001's Note - no.}
17.) 13 Aug 2023 13:34:07
That was a bit intense. Thanks for all the info you pass on, this is an informed rumours site after all.
18.) 13 Aug 2023 15:00:56
I don't know about Tchouameni zed but I will ask. My experience of the Madrid set up and team says no since it's so rare players want to leave even when they're on the fringe. I don't think UK people understand just how much of a draw Madrid really is. I will ask though.
Nevada.
19.) 13 Aug 2023 15:03:17
Oh2bnegativehappydays2 I'm not macca. I don't know who macca really is and I can't confirm how accurate his info was but I can tell you that regardless of how accurate info is until the player signed on the dotted line anything can change. So don't blame macca, me or eds when something doesn't pan out. Its hard to convey just how fluid these things really are.
Nevada.
29 May 2023 23:02:40
I won't say how or why I know but Sergej Milinković-Savić rumour has some truth to it.
All parties are not opposed to that transfer but Liverpool will have to offer a better contract than another club. He will still be very cheap by comparison to premier League midfielders of his ability level.
He is also a very nice guy too.
1.) 30 May 2023 02:40:59
Nice rumour. Thank you Nevada.
2.) 30 May 2023 08:13:14
Personally think he’d be a terrific signing but have my doubts on this one.
3.) 30 May 2023 09:26:43
Isn't he 28 yrs.
4.) 30 May 2023 09:40:13
Ed002 Any truth in these rumours Ed or just more click bait I did see a rumour opposing them with Savić saying he was going to see out his contract and then see from next season.
{Ed002's Note - Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (CM/AM/DM) Will be offered a new contract - if he refuses, which he will, they will only then look to sell. Juventus are very keen as they look to replenish their midfield, but Lazio will seek a huge fee which won't suit Juventus, but realistically his value has halved as he will only have 12 months left on his contract by the summer. Luca Pellegrini or the impressive Nicolo Rovella will be offered in part exchange with perhaps €35M to see if Lazio would be interested. Milan may also look to an agreement but it seems less likely than Juventus but the financial woes in Turin could change that. There was also a discussion with Chelsea but they have other targets. Inter may throw their hat in the ring. Arsenal offer an option but he would likely be an alternative to Declan Rice. West Ham and Newcastle will offer less tempting solutions to the player. Potentially another alternative to Bellingham for Manchester United and Liverpool. Expect Manchester United to declare an interest but Liverpool have other targets.}
5.) 30 May 2023 10:18:01
Hampo, he is but if we get him at his best for 3 years it is well worth it. He's the only midfielder in Europe who is as good as De Bruyne and Odegaard going forward, in my opinion. Rabiot would be cheaper but cheaper for a reason.
6.) 30 May 2023 10:27:27
Is there something that happens if people are 28?
7.) 30 May 2023 10:18:01
Hampo, he is but if we get him at his best for 3 years it is well worth it. He's the only midfielder in Europe who is as good as De Bruyne and Odegaard going forward, in my opinion. Rabiot would be cheaper but cheaper for a reason.
8.) 30 May 2023 10:27:27
Is there something that happens if people are 28?
9.) 30 May 2023 11:37:12
To Hampo and Westwood (on the thread below), we have brought in older players when the deal and the player is right.
Thiago brought in at 28/ 29 for £25m, if we got SMS that would be a similar sort of deal - a great player, in their prime, litte sell on value but also relatively little upfront outlay for a very well regarded player.
If we went for Rabiot, that would smack of a James Milner type deal - experienced pro in their late 20s who has come in on a free.
Both could work, both would be exciting and reasonably good value.
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25 Apr 2024 07:39:03
{Ed's Note - Nevada has posted a new article entitled, Is Arne Slot A Good Fit For Liverpool?
24 Apr 2024 12:58:35
Nevada has written an article entitled, Is Arne Slot A Good Fit For Liverpool?
1.) 24 Apr 2024 13:38:16
A good read but somthing yuou could have added on the dressing influence. Can he manage the big egoes at LFC and that's where Ten Hag failed. Ten hag's Ajax played some breathtaking football but he simply couldn't control the UTD dressing room. He couldn't install any discipline and that is my worry for Slot. Do you think Salah, Robbo and VVD would listen to him?
Klopp had the spine to drop both Salah and VVD when needed, Can slot do the same?
As good as the coach you are if you cannot control the big stars you are doomed.
2.) 24 Apr 2024 13:59:19
Do you think failing to control a dressing room is a Dutch thing, Beek? A bald Dutch thing?
3.) 24 Apr 2024 14:14:06
The United dressing rooms full of clowns, I’d imagine our lot, especially the elders to be much more civilised.
VVD will respect Slot (no doubt he still closely follows football in his homeland and will know he’s a good manager and person) and the players respect the captain.
4.) 24 Apr 2024 15:07:44
Go on, I’ll bite …. Where has the “big goes” thing come from?
5.) 24 Apr 2024 15:15:11
I didn't even realise the post got turned into an article.
I intentionally didn't touch the man management side of the game because the truth is he's not been around long enough to manage any big egos, that tends to happen when you manage a 'big club' also my profession is sports psychologist and I have consulted in top level football before so it would be a professional faux Pas to suggest I can ascertain his mental acumen without spending any time with him.
Hope that answers the question.
6.) 24 Apr 2024 16:53:55
TheBeekeeper, Ten Hag can't coach. in fact according to some Utd fans out there, he is the absolute worst manager in the PL cos nobody has any idea what his style is or what his players are trying to do. At least when you watch Luton or Sheff Utd, you can tell what they are trying to do even tho, they aren't good at it.
If you tactic is "boys, we'll go out there and hope for the best" then sorry, I wouldn't let you coach my kid's U-10 basketball team (if Ten Hag was a basketball coach) cos even they don't deserve such levels of incompetence. Dreadful manager and an even bigger fraud.
7.) 24 Apr 2024 17:00:02
"Slot is very similar except his teams tend to have the ball a lot more and only use counter press to help keep the ball as opposed to create opportunities. In Slot's teams, the chances come from wide cut backs more often than not or wide forwards cutting inside. "
Exactly. Per what I have learned, Slot is more of a Guardiola disciple than Klopp is and that comment summed it up. Now that aside, I feel you are very negative and harsh in your assessment of the appointment.
The inuendos of "FSG thinks he is a cheaper option" and all that to me, is a bit iffy cos we really don't know how the selection process happened nor what Slot is really like. So for me, let's keep an open mind and see how things pan out should Slot take the job. Just my take.
Nice read, btw.
8.) 24 Apr 2024 18:47:29
Thanks Oli.
That's just my opinion not based on his salary but his requirements. Both Alonso and amorim would require multiple signings due to their different system of play. Slot can almost start from day one, though I'll argue we will need a right back because I'm 100% certain he'll move trent to a be part of a midfield double pivot with macallister.
I'm skeptical but not negative. I've heard how people talk about the Liverpool job in professional circles and while I wouldn't use the phrase poisoned chalice it is the one which springs to mind, whoever takes it will either be brave or looking for a payday.
In my mind the next guy is almost a sacrificial lamb to remove the stigma of "following klopp" if he does well then even better.
Oddly I actually think the way slot plays will work better in prem than the way klopp plays as slot tactics (I believe) would be more effective against teams that don't want the ball.
9.) 24 Apr 2024 18:50:22
Also Oli, if it isn't obvious from my comments on ten hag, I do not rate ten hag. I felt at the time the United job was too soon for him.
He doesn't seem to learn, against Coventry United were doing fine until the double Coventry change on 60 mins, which was to exploit space being left in front of Maguire and behind wan bissaka and it worked beautifully. Ten hag response was to send on eriksen to cover the area just in front of the box. which absolutely anyone on earth would have known would solve nothing.
10.) 24 Apr 2024 19:27:48
Hi Nevada,
Thanks for that - very comprehensive and good read
You alluded to the fact the Liverpool are not that big of a dry for coaches - in the article and previous posts I read recently
I note your backround in sports psychology in various spots including footy and you have gotten some good calls correct on here
In terms of Liv not being a top top draw - Do you know why that is? Im mean we may be behind the mega clubs such as Barca, Real, Bayern maybe but they are a handful. In term of history and recent success, finances, fans, facilities etc surely we are right up there (top 5-6 clubs europe? ) We all love Liverpool and think we are the no.1 and I appreciate that's not actually the case but we are surely top 5-6 clubs in europe (the world by extension) .
What gives i suppose is my point?
thx.
23 Apr 2024 13:07:04
I did say don't count your chickens with amorim. People are overestimating how coveted the job is right now.
Despite the info coming from agents they do seem to be right about young up and coming managers viewing the Liverpool job as a negative right now.
1.) 23 Apr 2024 13:19:28
As big the Job is it is the structure that is the issue for Amorim.
2.) 23 Apr 2024 13:51:32
The structure shouldn't be an issue. This is one of the biggest jobs in European football. If you're not up for that then feel free to stay where you are or go somewhere with lower ambitions.
3.) 23 Apr 2024 13:53:58
@bee, what is it about the infrastructure precisely? I’d honestly love to hear what it is.
{Ed002's Note - I have explained his concern.}
4.) 23 Apr 2024 14:20:48
Amorim wants some control over who we sign and not to work under the strict jurisdiction of Edwards and Hughes. Plus West ham are offering more in salary. The man is capable @Johnny and is better than the dross we are now interviweing as we speak.
5.) 23 Apr 2024 14:43:50
Who are we interviewing, as we speak, Beekeeper?
6.) 23 Apr 2024 14:45:34
TheBeekeeper, I watched a podcast about Amorim and what he is like as a manager and the Portuguese league specialist mentioned exactly that he wants and is fully hands on about what players come to the club. According to him, Amorim does not do compromises. He wants who he wants and will not waiver. Back then, I saw that as being a slight prob and apparently, it is.
7.) 23 Apr 2024 14:59:43
To be fair Johnny, he’s perfectly entitled to want some level of input and control on the squad front. I’d read there was also disparity on the salary offer and what he’s asking for, again, he’s entitled to ask what he feels he’s worth. You’ve got to remember, he has no connection to the club and he knows he’s got lots of options so we’re not the only club he’ll get an offer from, consider that Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona, Man United, possibly Chelsea among others will all likely be looking for new managers in the summer. The fact we’ve spoken to no hopers like Kovac and Fonseca is very concerning though to say the least.
8.) 23 Apr 2024 15:23:36
Wdw perhaps we are offering the new manager magic beans after all.
9.) 23 Apr 2024 15:50:07
Apparently its about to be announced that we've signed a bumper contract with Adidas for our kit from 2025.
If announced Don't be surprised if we now offer peanuts with those beans.
13 Apr 2024 14:19:13
Going into the Atalanta game I was very surprised to hear klopp describe them as sitting back and holding a low block. It genuinely shocked me because gasperini never plays that way.
I watch quite a lot of Italian footy and that's not how Atalanta have played at any point in the season.
The reason we got beat is we did not prepare properly. based on what klopp said I genuinely think we just made assumptions about the game based on the fact Atalanta is a 'smaller' club and prepared for that game.
I actually found it very dismissive what klopp said pre game. I went into the game expecting a team to press high and break with pace, which is how Atalanta played.
Perhaps it's not the players who have checked out, maybe it's klopp.
1.) 13 Apr 2024 16:04:07
I was really gutted about his comments in the interview with TNT. He was asked if he'd miss European nights at Anfield and in short, he basically said he wouldn't. I think he's ready to call it a day already. Feels like he's staying until the summer as a courtesy with comments like that.
I really hope he can find another couple of months of energy and charisma for us.
2.) 13 Apr 2024 16:21:28
Honestly think Klopp is as entitled as they come, says some ridiculous things at times.
3.) 13 Apr 2024 21:47:05
Klopp is human like the rest of us. He’s going to have his good days and his bad days as well as the days he’s grouchy.
Let’s be be honest how many of us have reacted and said something outs of turn or they regret.
Klopps a legend but he’s human.
We all need to stop taking it all too seriously. Even though it was said by a legend himself but football 100% isn’t more important than life or death and anyone who argues it is I’ll call bull s##t.
4.) 13 Apr 2024 22:08:37
Mr Bean with the most ironic post of the year so far.
5.) 13 Apr 2024 23:04:58
Spot on Jk mate.
6.) 13 Apr 2024 23:26:19
Mr Bean. What a goon.
7.) 13 Apr 2024 18:26:44
The energy has gone from Klopp and the other coaches. It was a mistake to announce him leaving as the wheels have come off after an initial boost. The players look like there walking to the end of the season were we still had everything to play for. Really disappointing.
Klopp is a legend but he’s probably stayed a season to long.
8.) 13 Apr 2024 18:46:30
I wasn’t at the game but I watched it.
Klopp was maniacal on the touchline.
Any idea that he has lost his energy or enthusiasm is bunk.
He’s probably sick to death of interviews which is fair enough.
9.) 14 Apr 2024 01:06:15
Klopp out!
Oh wait.
10.) 14 Apr 2024 08:28:01
Why is this breaking news to anyone? Klopp says a lot of dust after games esp. after a lcrushing loss that affects him emotionally hence, not in control of things coming out of his mouth in those moments right after a game. This has always been the case with him. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
11.) 14 Apr 2024 08:59:31
Yeah ok lads, you lot can crawl up mr Klopps arse, the so called legend that’s left you all hanging after signing a contract and not honouring it! Bloke thinks he calls the shots he’s not that great in my opinion, got lucky with salah mane and firmino. Since then he’s won sod all. Couple joke cups on penalties.
12.) 14 Apr 2024 09:07:24
I find it more disappointing that fans are now turning their back on the man after all he has done for this club.
Is it too much to ask to give your unconditional support for the last few weeks he has with us instead of finding snippets to criticise him for?
Maybe next season we will have something to really complain about ?♂️. It seems to me Klopp isn’t the only one who has downed tools.
13.) 14 Apr 2024 09:21:18
@Irish the overwhelming majority of fans aren’t turning their back on him.
14.) 14 Apr 2024 09:24:24
The problem is klopp has spoiled us all, the norm now is getting 90 odd points in league going deep in 4 competitions and doing it on a transfer net spend of a lot less than your rivals. This is over achieving not under achieving.
And b4 everybody has a go at me about transfer spending unfortunately the teams that spend the most win the most, that's a fact.
After every defeat it is now what we call in Ireland, a wake (2-3days mourning b4 a funeral) and the reason it is is because we ain't used to it and lot of supporters just can't handle a defeat r a bad run.
15.) 14 Apr 2024 09:29:38
Never really got the obsession with honouring contracts when it comes to football - obvs there is how you handle it, but is a v cut throat business for players and managers.
From a players perspective you can play for years and come from youth team - then get sold / dropped in an instant. Managers can get sacked after bringing a team up leagues or winning trophies after a bad run.
Main bit is how you carry yourself and respect shown when given. I never recall Klopp ever being disrespectful towards club, supporters and can’t doubt effort given - added if think is overrated with legend status, then explain anger that is leaving and being replaced?
Same with anyone’s job - it is an agreement between parties, not ownership from one party. Stress comes with the rewards so if Klopp feels his time is up for whatever reason then based on his service and effort given can’t fault the man.
16.) 14 Apr 2024 09:45:17
Mr bean I’m good with Klopp leaving me hanging mate.
In my eyes Klopp is a legend but I’ve supported this club long before he came and I will long after he goes so I’m not too sure how much hanging he has left me to do.
17.) 14 Apr 2024 09:52:56
I agree WDW ?.
18.) 14 Apr 2024 10:41:02
Klopp has done a lot for the club and for that I'm very thankfully. He's earned his time in the sun and his status at the club but if we are being honest his reign is one of of missed opportunities more than it is of opportunities grabbed.
League cup, 2 Europa league, 1 premier league, 1 champions league
Those are what we should have won that we didn't in my opinion. We like to think of his reign as legendary but in truth it's only legendary by our standards (which were very low) .
Ranieri, dalglish, ancelotti, conte all won the same number of premier league titles (we can prob add arteta to that list soon) I doubt many of us refer to conte or ranieri as legends right?
Some - Jose, pep, fergie, Wenger all won more than klopp.
If we're talking European trophies then klopp is still lagging behind. Losing more finals than he won. He isn't even ahead of benitez on that front. You might even say our one win the champs league we because we met an inferior team in the final. Every time we meet a good team we lose the final (Sevilla, Madrid x 2, city in LC)
He has given a lot to Liverpool and I appreciate him giving us back our prestige but I do also wish we hadn't stumbled and fell over almost every time we got to the finish line.
You can say Madrid blah blah city blah blah but the brutal truth is the best beat the best and we can't quite get past the finish line 70% of the time.
19.) 14 Apr 2024 10:29:24
He’s absolutely a legend, how many LFC managers have won the league and the Champions league (European Cup)?
He deserves his place as a legend - it’s self-evident.
It would be much easier for him to stay at the club, wait to get sacked and then get compensation for his contract.
He gave the club sufficient notice.
He’s not left anyone hanging, he’s got no more to give and is going before it impacts the club.
Poor take by Bean.
20.) 14 Apr 2024 11:06:24
Mr Bean has been "Klopp out" since last season. So no surprises to me that he said what he said. On the contrary, I'm quite impressed by his consistency.
21.) 14 Apr 2024 11:26:39
You sound like such a staunch Liverpool supporter Mr Bean, why would anyone question your logic?
22.) 14 Apr 2024 12:01:52
Say what you want, low standards and all, but for me he's a legend.
23.) 14 Apr 2024 12:03:16
Nevada
Before Klopp, Liverpool hadn’t won a PL in 30 years. Let that sink in. Three generations of mainly not even close to winning. Of course I would have wanted more and maybe under different circumstances ( Man City and all they stand for) we definitely would have but the biggest thing for me was changing the culture of our “ loser” tag into a club that should be competing.
Also, should Klopp have realised the Sh#t show Karius would display in a CL final ?♂️.
24.) 14 Apr 2024 12:35:16
*decades.
25.) 14 Apr 2024 15:05:46
Y'all didn't read. I said he's a legend to us in the same way moyes might be a legend to west ham.
What is his competition? A slew of decent cup managers and that's it. By the standards of fergie, wenger, pep and even Jose klopp isn't in that conversation really.
He's not a legend. He's just a legend to us. In two seasons if he just wins one game against city he wins two more titles, that's why I said we always stumble at the finish.
The best characterisation of klopps time if we are being very honest is that it was a very good time in charge but it always fell short of being great.
Would we call fergie a legend if he won united one title, even if it was after 30 years of nothing. no we wouldn't. Is James beattie a legend for winning one golden boot? No of course not.
Klopp is our legend, but not a premier league legend by pretty much any standard. Winning a second title would put him above the one season wonders but it's very unlikely we are getting a title.
26.) 14 Apr 2024 17:11:20
He’s an Anfield legend, he doesn’t work for the premier league.
27.) 14 Apr 2024 20:11:20
If being an anfield legend is your aim then you'll be a very happy football fan. Seems like a low bar to me.
06 Sep 2023 04:29:27
Have to say I'm disappointed in the amount of people who say we can't survive without Salah.
We now have a midfield capable of goals and instead of a despondent and ineffective mane and an injured Bobby we have a left winger who scores goals and three CF who can all score as well. And the effort is there with all of them.
Will any score 20 goals? Probably not but they don't need to. They just need to score 20 goals between them to replace salahs goals. Pretty sure they can do that. And what's better since they all score it's much harder to defend against us now and often it gives Salah extra room.
200m (if they actually offer that) can rebuild the entire defence. And then we are done for a few years, no transfers needed and the rebuild is complete.
Anyone thinking we can have him this year and sell him in a year for 150m is deluded. One year less on contract and one year further into his decline his value will maybe be 50-60% of the current bids. And that's assuming they don't buy someone in his place which they might.
Now salah will be missing for a month anyway and the last time he went to afcon he was very poor upon returning for almost two months.
Imagine he comes back the same, tired and dejected at another failed trophy hunt and then plays badly for two months. His value will be even lower then as people will make the argument that he's over the hill.
I'm not saying rush out and sell him, I'm just saying some fans on here are wildly unrealistic. It's sell now for 150m or get significantly less later. There won't be a 'turn it down now and get the same bid later'.
1.) 06 Sep 2023 06:42:39
ineffective mane, really? He was prob the best finisher out of the 3.
200m is crazy money but Salah contribute so much more then just goals and assists. If we going to sell do it in January so we can get a replacement.
{Ed001's Note - I think he was referring to Mane's final season when he was struggling badly for us because he wanted out.}
2.) 06 Sep 2023 06:42:55
on the same note he could also do really well, win afcon and come back and win us trophies. a game of ifs and buts here.
i am indifferent tbh, if he wants to leave then i say let him leave. but if an offer comes and salah isn't pushing to leave, i see no reason to accept it either.
3.) 06 Sep 2023 06:44:39
The issue is
Can we last till Jan or even summer with our 4 front line players? They are good but not great yet
And for those mooting Szboslai to play on the right, wouldn’t we be cutting his effectiveness since he’s much better in CM?
Yes, money is important, but trophies are even more important
I did rather we sell him for lesser next summer and we can properly replace him than to risk going half or full season without someone of his quality and miss out on winning
And who’s to say his replacement will bed in quickly and do as well? Too much risk.
4.) 06 Sep 2023 07:04:06
Selling Salah now would mean we accept not challenging for the league this season. If we are sure we can’t challenge for the league even with him, then we may as well sell him for that absurd amount as I think we have enough, barring injuries, to challenge for everything else on offer. We will get top 4 without a doubt.
I don’t want to sell Salah, however, just because he’s been and continues to be an utterly incredible player for us - easily our best ever player in the PL era (yes, above Gerrard) . He owes us nothing, however, and whatever he does I will wish him well. Icon.
5.) 06 Sep 2023 07:24:15
However you dress it up the 4 remaining forwards are not top level. They are all decent but not at Salah’s level or even close. They don’t have to just get 20 PL goals and a further 15 assists to replace Salah. They need to get those numbers on top of their own contribution. The 4 atm probably need north of 45 PL goal’s between them for us to challenge and now you’re asking them to get a min 65 PL goals. No chance.
6.) 06 Sep 2023 07:25:38
Yup. Please don't sell him now. Wait for the next transfer window, then replace him with Vinicius haha.
{Ed001's Note - Vinicius will not leave Madrid, that is his dream to play for them. So long as they continue to show him support over the abuse he will stay.}
7.) 06 Sep 2023 07:26:51
Nevada, Mane scored 23 goals in his last season, hardly ineffective. While our new goal scoring midfielders have scored 1 . I do agree that £200 million is a lot of money to turn down tho.
8.) 06 Sep 2023 07:48:25
If people had the (theoretical) option of the following 2, which would you choose.
1. A really close title challenge, maybe winning the league if luck goes with us.
2. Selling Salah and only just challenging for a UCL spot.
Difficult to quantify Salah's worth to the team, but I suspect it will be the difference between an extra 10 - 20 points with thek ey goal and assists he gets.
9.) 06 Sep 2023 08:11:39
Me just dreaming Ed01. I really like him.
10.) 06 Sep 2023 08:13:19
Who has said we can't survive without Salah? Do we want to just survive anyway?
If we sell Salah we should do it when we have a replacement or replacements. Diaz, Jota, Nunez, Gakpo, Szob or Doak are not replacements because we already have them.
11.) 06 Sep 2023 08:43:43
I couldn’t give a hoot about the money on offer, Salah is an elite player who we are lucky to have honestly we must be the only fans concerned with balancing the books and scraping top 4 as opposed to challenging for the title.
These reported figures are also so wide of the mark. we will never get £200m because the Saudis offers are nothing close to that, last offer was reported as £150m however only £100m was guaranteed with the rest in rediculous add ons like winning the world club cup.
Even on the preface that we got this phantom £200m what do we do with it? Window is now closed and the level of players which we should be targeting is not going to be available in Jan and there are no guarantees in the summer that we will be able to offer champions league football or that elite players will want us over others.
Also I would be very suspicious of these owners, if we had £200m in the bank you can be damn sure that there hand wouldn’t reach there pocket for the next 3 years and we would be operating on the transfer fee alone and not having any additional transfer kitty on top! This would not be some sort of windfall this would be a get out of jail free card for FSG to no invest.
12.) 06 Sep 2023 09:01:45
If players like Dom and Alexis can be scouted, bought and integrated into the first team as they have, then anything is possible, especially with 300m and a decent youth set up.
Mo is an elite player, although not at the pre afcon levels, which was on par with Ronaldo and Messi.
FSG's M. O means they have to consider a large fee for a player that will otherwise leave on a free.
Mo will get even bigger wages if he waits until the end of the contract, so for him it likely doesn't matter.
This situation is going to require kid gloves.
13.) 06 Sep 2023 11:43:03
Take the £150m and offer Brighton £100m for Ferguson. Put Ferg up front and move Nunez to RW.
14.) 06 Sep 2023 12:42:50
Whydo you wish to move Nunez to RW when he is at his deadly best playing through the middle and between the defenders RedTed.
15.) 06 Sep 2023 12:59:58
Didn't Nunez score 2 from inside right channel the other week? Wing would work IMHO.
23 Apr 2024 20:22:25
I'm inclined to agree with Viva. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but a Dutch manager has never competed for a title in PREM and have only been decent 'cup' managers.
He might succeed where gullit, Jol, van gaal, de boer, ten Haag have failed but I think Dutch coaches are too wed to the 'dutch philosphy' and not really flexible enough to succeed here.
30 Mar 2024 06:01:15
I once bumped into nagelsmann while working in Germany. He's a very very underrated manager, he tries to play to the strength of the players he has and wants to score goals. He's also very flexible and willing to learn.
We had a chat for about 20 minutes or so and he asked which team I follow, when i said Liverpool he said "beautiful team, historic"
So I think the thing about him disrespecting the club is bull to be honest.
18 Mar 2024 00:57:09
I actually agree with looking at inzaghi. Inter play great football, very positive and he's quite a galvanizing character.
If the reason against is 'doesnt know the English game' you'd be surprised at how much he loves the premier league and respects the way the game is played here, he's also a very big Liverpool fan too.
18 Mar 2024 00:52:32
By that same rationale why not just share with lots of teams in the northwest. Bring the whole north west together, bring cities together it can be state of the art with great transport links and host loads of events there, it would be the envy of everyone else to see how together the north west is, imagine United, Everton, Liverpool, city all sharing one stadium . Really would bring the people together. Great for the area.
15 Aug 2023 07:24:34
So when FSG put in bids above a player's value that's no good.
When they buy cheaper players they are scraping the bargain barrel
What you're telling us is that whatever they do you won't approve of it. Have you tried supporting madrid, Bayern or Chelsea? They splash cash all the time and are constantly buying new players maybe you would be happier supporting them?
Salah wasn't first choice and was extremely cheap even by today's standards and now he's one of the greatest players in the history of Liverpool. On the flip side one of our most expensive transfers was keita. The price does not denote quality. Stop complaining.
25 Apr 2024 19:41:26
@Rigsby you don't normally need to since it's rare everyone has issues at the same time. Usually you'll be working with two or three, mostly younger players.
I have been in a situation when an employer had similar news and every single player was asking for appointments over the next week, it's extremely difficult to manage and impossible not to affect team performance overall.
25 Apr 2024 17:36:27
As a person who works in sports psychology professionally my opinion is that there is a strong lack of focus from everybody. Mistakes being made are things easily fixed on the training ground but not when people aren't focused.
Not that any club would ask me for advice on this but had I been asked on how I felt making the announcement might affect the team I would have told them to wait.
Major news (good and bad) has a powerful effect on people and you go through stages of feeling. This response is entirely predictable professionally, saving it at least until the last month would have likely meant that players wouldn't have had time for it to really sink in and would be getting a slight bump in focus and determination for a short period.
That whole thing was very Ill advised. In my opinion.
The reason sports psychologists have become such a prevalent job in football is competition is almost entirely psychological. Keeping 26 people's psychological state in one place while announcing news that would be both shocking and dismaying for most is impossible. You want that to happen off season.
24 Apr 2024 19:02:27
Alison is the best keeper I've ever seen in my life. Full stop. Some are better shot stoppers, some are better passers.
There has never been such a good one on one keeper while I've been alive. Also when do you see him drop shots, crosses or corner? Extremely rare.
Hansen is the best defender we've ever had and people who it's van dijk never saw Hansen play.
Midfield goes to Gerrard for me, had the talent and influence to change games alone and did so with often inferior team mates.
Striker is probably the hardest, my heart says Fowler or Torres but if we are being really really honest it's rush. He was a pressing forward at a time when almost nobody did it, scored massive amounts of goals in all kinds of games at all levels and was unbelievably dependable. Very rare rush went more than three games with no goals, and even when he did he turned up other aspects of his game.
Rush is probably the most complete striker ever to play for Liverpool.
24 Apr 2024 18:50:22
Also Oli, if it isn't obvious from my comments on ten hag, I do not rate ten hag. I felt at the time the United job was too soon for him.
He doesn't seem to learn, against Coventry United were doing fine until the double Coventry change on 60 mins, which was to exploit space being left in front of Maguire and behind wan bissaka and it worked beautifully. Ten hag response was to send on eriksen to cover the area just in front of the box. which absolutely anyone on earth would have known would solve nothing.
24 Apr 2024 18:47:29
Thanks Oli.
That's just my opinion not based on his salary but his requirements. Both Alonso and amorim would require multiple signings due to their different system of play. Slot can almost start from day one, though I'll argue we will need a right back because I'm 100% certain he'll move trent to a be part of a midfield double pivot with macallister.
I'm skeptical but not negative. I've heard how people talk about the Liverpool job in professional circles and while I wouldn't use the phrase poisoned chalice it is the one which springs to mind, whoever takes it will either be brave or looking for a payday.
In my mind the next guy is almost a sacrificial lamb to remove the stigma of "following klopp" if he does well then even better.
Oddly I actually think the way slot plays will work better in prem than the way klopp plays as slot tactics (I believe) would be more effective against teams that don't want the ball.