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14 Oct 2020 11:18:16
It makes me laugh how often I read or hear people talking about the consolidation of power of "the big six"

Even if the proposal went through the amount of times 6 of those 9 would agree on anything is so few that it probably wouldn't matter anyway.


1.) 14 Oct 2020 17:55:36
I love the sport, but sometimes the business side of the game rears its (ugly) head, and ticks a lot of people off. It's a sign of our times, anyway. Taking moments of weakness, fears and chaos to take undue advantages irrelevant of the consequences. It's nothing new in terms of how people in leadership (whatever kind it is) behave and act. Sane heads would never allow this kind of thing to go through.

{Ed025's Note - and liverpool at the forefront of that greed ArAy, whats new..

2.) 14 Oct 2020 19:24:37
Self-interest is at the heart of all the Premier League clubs Ed, we saw that during the lockdown.
I preferred the old football league system but the existence of the Premier League owes everything to the establishment of an elite and more money in any case.
It seems to me that this latest plan was just another step on that path?

{Ed002's Note - Try not to start to try and blame others. Liverpool have been well and truly shamed yet again. Trying to profiteer from the pandemic was never going to be expected and certainly never accepted.}

3.) 14 Oct 2020 19:34:58
Agreed, it was a disgusting notion from the start.

4.) 14 Oct 2020 19:49:55
A particularly embarrassing and shameful moment from our owners your right Ed002.
Money is the route to all evil and our owners worship it sadly.

{Ed002's Note - Not great I am afraid. Manchester United owners and Rick Parry do not come out well either.}

5.) 14 Oct 2020 20:45:07
Well said juicer. This is another example of clubs self preservation during this period. However unpopular this latest effort, its more evidence of how far removed the clubs are from reality. But you shouldn't be afraid to point out that liverpool are one of a number of clubs to demonstrate this. despite the rather monotonous assertions of one particularly bitter individual.

6.) 14 Oct 2020 23:15:54
I agree Eds, this was embarassing and should have never happened.

7.) 15 Oct 2020 06:49:21
I am very close to losing interest in the game as money and its effects are ruining the game I love. It's making it less enjoyable for all concerned. Most of the clubs are the same, greedy so let's not just single out Liverpool ed2, as you said there are other clubs involved and all are as shameful as each other. I know u love to hate Liverpool but it does become a little tedious at times. Sorry but it's only natural to try and defend the club u love even when they are in the wrong.

{Ed002's Note - This was all about Liverpool. The idea was to find a way for the Liverpool owners to extort more money from the game as they desparately try and cover their losses and make the club more attractive to sell. They roped in the Manchester United owners to support this idea and the former Chief Executive of Liverpool. All of this was supported by threats and the exploitation of the pandemic which has put the future of numerous professional clubs at risks. I see the attempts to defend the Liverpool owners and spread the blame as pathetic I am afraid. I am sorry the truth has become tedious.}

8.) 15 Oct 2020 10:00:42
ED2 I think it's wrong what Liverpool, ManU and Parry attempted. Am I right in thinking ManCity, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea backed it?

{Ed002's Note - One of those clubs gave it support.}

9.) 15 Oct 2020 11:47:10
Ed would this be an "alternative " to the pan breakaway European league or are the clubs trying to use this idea as a kind of threat for the breakaway if you get my point, sorry if its a stupid question but most of these things have "back up/ alternative "motives.

{Ed002's Note - No it is nothing to do with the pan-European breakaway plans. The motivation is financial and the need to try and get the growth potential on an upward turn. FSG will need to start pondering what to do.}

10.) 15 Oct 2020 11:59:17
Thanks ed.

11.) 15 Oct 2020 12:14:53
Our owners should of sold up ages ago, never been behind them for a long time now, no care for the club at all, tried ripping fans off with ticket prices and got two fingers stuck up at them, we win the biggest trophies going and they come out and say, we will strengthen, they found out the cost of strengthening and balked, no club in this day and age shouldn't have their games on tv, the EFL should have their own ppv tv channel and keep the income.

{Ed002's Note - They have been hit harder than most by the pandemic.}

12.) 15 Oct 2020 12:40:23
Personally, I hope they sell. This whole thing is embarrassing.

13.) 15 Oct 2020 16:08:23
It seems to me that most comment and criticism is coming from those who wanted the PL season stopped, for varying motives.
The irony of which is the entire football pyramid, including the PL, would be in a much more precarious position than it already is.
The PL is driven by money and self-interest and its voting structure is such that the only safe thing that can be agreed upon is the status quo.
Any idea outside of this is problematic to say the least. If it wasn’t for the television companies and Govt. the football would not have resumed at all, so incapable is the PL of coming up with any solution by itself.
I’m not here to defend FSG on this but the reaction about supporting the lower tiers and grassroots football is also ironic. We had a structure that did that, it was called the Football League!

14.) 15 Oct 2020 22:10:37
I think it’s the things they would agree on that worries people, such as ensuring money is funnelled to those 6 clubs and blocking clubs from getting rich owners themselves.

15.) 15 Oct 2020 22:11:05
I was lambasted on here, back in April, when I said I would never forgive our owners for furloughing staff (then backtracked) . They are at it again, trying to screw as much money.

16.) 15 Oct 2020 22:11:55
The proposal intrigued me at first, then disappointed me as I read more into it. It was a move right out of an old mobster movie. The powerful seizing the opportunity to leverage the vulnerable to make a deal with the devil.

17.) 16 Oct 2020 19:57:15
The game is about money. If you don’t like that then don’t put your own money into it.
It’s quite honestly ridiculous for anyone to lambast owners of a premier league football club for trying to look after their investment and yes, make money.
We all have this romantic notion that the club is ours because our great grandparents stood on the terraces paying at the turnstiles. Those days are well and truly gone I’m afraid.
But hey it’s given the usual bitters another chance to call Liverpool the devil’s club just because no matter how much money they throw at it they’ll never get near us.



17 Jun 2019 17:13:48
Any truth to the rumours we are negotiating with Barcelona for dembele eds?

It's likely he'll leave Barcelona this summer with coutinho but some journalists are reporting we have been in touch with barca.


{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any negotiations.}

1.) 17 Jun 2019 20:40:41
3! Dembele questions in the space of two hours - all answered with the most minimal of fuss.
Just another thank you for all the you do and are (Ed) dies!

2.) 17 Jun 2019 22:11:35
If the stories about his off field behaviour are true- and let's face it, we don't know for sure do we- but if they are, then the club will be aware, and they will surely steer clear of his lad at £90m, however gifted he is.

3.) 18 Jun 2019 08:23:06
I hope not, Barcelona are like any club and made a desperate signing to appease fans that Neymar had gone, the lads not all that at all, hope we don't touch him.

4.) 18 Jun 2019 11:01:12
Hi Eds,

You say there has been no negotiations but is it a player we have an interest in?


{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any discussions with Barcelona and again he would be a Salah replacement- or is he a Dembele replacement - who replaced Pepe who replaced Salah.

5.) 18 Jun 2019 12:29:34
Lol ed02. But again he plays on the opposite side to salah, same with sane. Dembele was looked at last year i remember, or there was a lot of talk. Macca predicted we'd sign him.

I think to call the lad "not all that" is way way off the mark. He's a fine footballer and i think he'd be brilliant in the premier league. A club like liverpool and a boss like klopp is just what the lad needs. Too young to write him off. Some are debating whether wilson should get a shot and the two lads are pretty close in age. Only one has played for dortmund and Barcelona the other has played for derby.

If we can sign him we should. I would see him more of a Danny Sturridge replacement than a Salah one. DS came to us as a forward/ winger who scored goals.

{Ed001's Note - the lad is an idiot of Neymar proportions though. Steer clear please.}



05 Apr 2019 10:13:05
Question for ed001 if possible,

I was curious about Keita. He's had a full season to adapt to the UK and seems to have really struggled. On the pitch he's not really shown that he can bring anything new or different to the team, which I assume was the purpose for buying him.

I'm sure that his lack of integration with the other players off the pitch and him not bothering to learn English are at least two key things.

My question is will Liverpool look to sell in the summer or does Klopp still feel he can coax something out of him?



{Ed001's Note - I expect him to stay. He was very close friends with Mane, it was hoped that would make him buck up his ideas. He won't be given for ever to sort his head out though.}

1.) 05 Apr 2019 11:37:32
I was really excited with the news we had finally agreed a deal for naby and was expecting him to have had a better season than he's having so far. I just cannot believe, if as pointed out by ed01 he has a poor attitude why he wouldn't grasp the chance he has with both hands. He has so much potential and so many positive attributes it would be such a waste of talent. Fingers crossed he pulls his finger out, so to speak.

2.) 05 Apr 2019 11:43:59
"Was" ed? Or am I reading too much into that sentence?

{Ed001's Note - no you're not. They are certainly not as close as they had been at RBS. Mane has grown up, Keita has not yet done so.}

3.) 05 Apr 2019 13:15:24
Something doesn't seem right with him, its almost like his not even trying. I really hope he comes good.

4.) 05 Apr 2019 13:52:35
Ed, thanks for the reply.
Makes me a bit sad tbh. For Keita. i know he has his baggage (described by ed002 previous) . Maybe we forget at times these guys might be millionaires but still are young kids in a foreign land.
Doing it with the expectations and then also not being as close with who may have been your guy once you arrive must be tough.
Hopefully things will get better for him and then - for him in the Liverpool team.

{Ed001's Note - it is his own fault, he has not made the efforts needed to get on. He had a year before joining to learn the language, it has now been nearly two years, and yet he has not bothered. For me that should have been written into his contract and should be included in all future contracts that a player has to learn English. You don't want a player being an Antonio Valencia and never bothering, it is not good for team spirit.}

5.) 05 Apr 2019 14:12:18
I read an interview by Mane today on the LFC website that states that Naby is a regular visitor to Mane's house, so they must still be at least civil to each other. From Mane's comments there doesn't appear to be any falling out or anything. But, hey, who knows?

{Ed001's Note - as close mate, I never said they were not friends, just not like they were. They were completely inseparable, best mates who did everything together. Mane now has other friends, they have not fallen out, they are just not as close.}

6.) 05 Apr 2019 19:04:24
Well he's starting tonight. Let's all hope he does the team proud.

7.) 06 Apr 2019 03:27:49
geez, started a fire under the worry worts there ed1. . .
keita will come right. I hope he'll come right, I don't think he's been a pile poo this season. So not a giant leap towards filling his potential with us. Mane is also older. ed1, for different reasons wouldn't you say Keita needs to mature just like Mane to improve his game?

{Ed001's Note - exactly what he needs.}

8.) 06 Apr 2019 10:20:46
Let's hope the goal last night inspires him to have a big end to the season minimum of 7 matches left this season let's go and smash them.

9.) 08 Apr 2019 14:14:52
Thanks for the reply ed. I got super busy so didn't read this until now.

I work as a psychologist in US sports and one of the first requirements of the teams I work with for incoming foreign players is to learn English.

Interestingly I consulted for a German Bundesliga team a couple of years ago and speaking English was also a requirement there too as it's considered a universal language which will benefit players wherever they go.

It really surprises me how often teams don't enforce a rule of players speaking the native language. It's pretty vital for team integration and communication and in my professional opinion I've advised it's not a good idea to simply have a couple of players speaking the same language as an incoming player because it creates cliques and tension.

Thanks again for the reply ed.

{Ed001's Note - this is the first time I have known of a Liverpool player not being required to speak English. Normally it is enforced strictly. I wonder if there is more to it with Keita, it is possible he just struggles with it and so there is not being pressure put on him because of that.}



26 Mar 2019 21:15:13
Federico Chiesa is taking English lessons.

Make of it what you will but the last time I posted this it was about coutinho about 6 months before we signed him.


1.) 27 Mar 2019 00:52:59
Ground , Italian footballer taking English lessons!

2.) 27 Mar 2019 01:20:29
Definitely going to Chelsea then - if he was really committed he’d be learning Scouse!

3.) 27 Mar 2019 10:43:42
Would love to see Chiesa in a Liverpool shirt. He is extremely mature as a player considering he's only 21. Scored a hat trick against Roma this season. Reminds me a lot of Sterling at the same age. It's only a matter of time before he starts scoring 20 goals a season.

4.) 27 Mar 2019 13:34:34
Heard a lot about this fella MK but never watched him play. Other than the sterling similarities do you know much else about him? I know he's very well thought of.

5.) 27 Mar 2019 14:10:08
Istanbul I've only seen him a when I've been watching Roma play Fiorentina. He has a low centre of gravity, protects the ball well at pace, and is pretty handy on either foot. He's predominantly a right footed right winger though. Very composed on the ball and in front of goal. He needs to work on his crossing and his one touch passing from what I've seen but he's such a superb talent. Those deficiencies can hold him back though as if a defender just stands off him he doesn't have the quality to deliver from deeper areas or the one touch passing brain to consistently play around them with a one-two. They rate him massively in Italy though and his potential is there for all to see. Klopp would get the best from him for sure.

{Ed002's Note - As a replacement for Salah then?}

6.) 27 Mar 2019 14:36:58
Question Ed002,

at what stage do the players we sign stop becoming replacements and start becoinmg additions to the squad. If we want a team to compete on all fronts without straining positions shouldn't we be looking to add more quality depth?

Obviously on the right its different with Shaqiri being there unless he was moved more central.

{Ed002's Note - The expectations of many of the fans are completely unrealistic with them thinking numerous £100M players will be added to give the squad depth. Liverpool are not in the position to make such purchases at all. Squad depth comes from having players who are content to come in and play when required and not players who demand playing time. Liverpool need decent cover for certain positions, not the “marquee” signings many of the fans expects the change in stance to try and buy the league cannot go on much longer.}

7.) 27 Mar 2019 16:11:59
C'mon Ed002 don't burst, we are only asking for Dybala, Chiesa, Icardi, Werner, Fekir, Depay, it is all doable. My uncle's mate's mechanic is in the know. Because his mailman's dog groomer once cut the arse hair of the gatekeeper's leopard at Melwood.

8.) 27 Mar 2019 16:17:04
Ed002, I didn't think Chiesa would have been a big Marquee signing, however I've just seen his €70 asking price. *gulp* I miss the days when you could get players like Torres for 24m.

Thanks Eds.

{Ed002's Note - I did not realise they dropped the price so far - a higher price was told to at least two sides who have held discussions with Fiji about him. Another side is looking for discussions as soon as they can - I will be able to find out what they are asked as well.}

9.) 27 Mar 2019 16:40:50
Maybe Ed002. If someone comes in with a huge offer and Salah wants to go, we'd be silly to force him to stay. Chiesa would be an ideal replacement. He's played 96% of Fiorentina's games according to Transfermarkt so I doubt he'd be interested in anything other than being an automatic starter. 12 goals before we're even in April is a good return considering he plays for a mid table team.

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about a move to Liverpool. Last week Dybala was @nailed on@.}

10.) 27 Mar 2019 16:49:10
Yeah of course Ed, I've already got Dybala 7 on the back of my replica shirt 😉.

11.) 27 Mar 2019 09:48:19
I don't think he is going to Chelsea they bought Pulisic.
He is a really Good in fm 2019! I bought him for Inter de Milan and Won the Serie A and Italy Cup.

12.) 28 Mar 2019 12:45:36
No reason not to keep tabs on the likes of Chiesa, Werner, Sancho, etc.

Not because we should spend 100m on backups, but because players' agents are talking to other clubs all the time (that's their job), and any sensible club will stay on top of the transfer market in case they need to find a replacement for any player at any time.

And yes, I'm talking specifically about our number 11.

After Torres, Suarez, Coutinho, etc I'm sure none of us are naive about how the football world works.

{Ed002's Note - What are you talking about ‘keep tabs on’ - how would the club do that?

13.) 28 Mar 2019 20:42:11
ed002, ever heard of a clubs scouting system, bit unfair all this sarcasm to genuine posters. blue nose getting a bit snotty?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about - you clearly have little understanding about the entire business which is perhaps why you have registered a new account to bitch and whine like this. Perhaps just an ignorant red nosed glifnard?}

14.) 28 Mar 2019 21:29:42
I think what everyone means is we were close to buying Fekir for a 50-60 million fee. I know Shaqiri has come in since but he could very well be sold next window as well, which would free up a space.

There’s no doubt we need to strengthen we all know that. However I can see a 50 million player arriving next window, it’s just how the windows are now.

To be honest I’m hoping for someone like Brandt, would be ideal for us and would slot into system easily.



30 Sep 2018 00:19:42
Why is Salah so poor at minute? Anyone know? His decision making is terrible right now.


1.) 30 Sep 2018 01:43:59
He's probably not recovered from last season. I don't mean physically, I meant mentally.
The guy has been embroiled in all kinds of rubbish from image rights disputes, to being hounded for being given an "honourary" citizenship of Chechnya. Then you've got to remember that he's expected to score another 40 goals this season.

Mans got a lot on his mind, let him chill and he'll start scoring again.

2.) 30 Sep 2018 02:17:28
Pressure and opposition.

He's getting like 3 seconds to make a decision before someone sweeps in and gets to him.

I'd chuck him up top with the Shaq on the right.

3.) 30 Sep 2018 07:04:26
I thought he played well last night. until the final ball.
He looked fairly sharp at times yesterday and is still getting himself into good positions wanting the ball, I will start to get worried if he goes quiet and the chances dry up.

4.) 30 Sep 2018 07:48:03
Think he needs a stretch on the sidelines to be honest. Similar to what Klopp is doing with Keita and Fabinho- ease him back gently. I do vaguely remember mind he was a bit off the boil at the start of last season because people were criticising his finishing so I think he will come out of it.

5.) 30 Sep 2018 09:22:16
He had a similar start at the beginning of last season.

6.) 30 Sep 2018 09:36:36
Has nobody come to the conclusion that for Salah to overcome this new hurdle that, rather than leaving him on the bench or changing his position, he simply needs to play through it.

Time on the bench will do very little, Salah simply needs to find his rhythmn again, get used to the pressure that opponents are putting on him and figure out ways of overcoming it on the pitch. Once he figures it out I have no doubt Salah will get back to his best.

In all honesty, I think the front 3 all need to play through this so that they can re-find that deadly connection which made us a formidable team last season. Everything feels forced now, or very last minute, there is little of the linking and interchanges that we saw last season that led to goals. Give them time, to assess and figure out new plays on the pitch and we will have the front 3 of last season once again.

This year will be a challenge but, I have to say, our midfield has really stepped up their game. Wijnaldum and Milner, in particular. It is almost like the signings of Fabinho and Keita has pushed them to be better, regalvanised them. Our defence seems to have a better understanding of their responsibilities, although I think our fullbacks need to be very careful that they do not push too far up and leave spaces in behind, ala Chelsea match yesterday.

Alisson, what a breath of fresh air that lad has. Without him, Chelsea would have gone away with three points. He is a very good shot stopper but, even better, he is excellent at ball distribution which is an added weapon in our arsenal.

This season looks promising and I hope, pray to anyone willing to listen, that we finally win a trophy. It has been a very, very long time after all. Once we overcome that hurdle, I think you will see a Liverpool side that plays with freedom, expression and everything Klopp's style of football is truly about.

Stay positive guys, think about where we were 5 years ago and look at us now. The difference is truly astounding.

{Ed001's Note - spot on. It takes games to find form and Salah took nearly half a season to explode last season.}

7.) 30 Sep 2018 09:38:28
He's scored 1 goal less than he had at this time last season.

8.) 30 Sep 2018 11:44:25
Agreed, we we’re all worried about the chances he was missing by this time last year. We need the front three firing, and as soon as salah takes a couple chances he will be fine. I think we need Keita to cement his place first, meaning they can’t double up on salah as easily, as then we will have Firmino mane and Keita to worry about still.

9.) 30 Sep 2018 12:13:33
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't describe him as "poor".

The final ball and finish is missing atm, but his link up play is still good, his movement is good, his pace still terrifies defenders, he isn't hiding from the ball. I thought in the first half yesterday he played far better than either Mane or Firmino and was surprised when he was subbed after 65 minutes. He's not playing badly, it's just the finish is missing. That can happen to players for periods, it's not a major disaster.

He will start scoring again.

10.) 30 Sep 2018 12:20:02
Not worried just think whack him up top for a few games get him a couple of goals and then we can rejig things.


11.) 30 Sep 2018 12:25:18
He just needs to score a couple of good goals to get going again, I remember all the posts this time last year saying he was a flop because he didn’t score enough and his final touch was terrible etc.

12.) 30 Sep 2018 12:25:38
for me, salah needs to find more ways to impose himself on the game. He's starting to link up more around the box and create space / angles for himself and others, but too often he fades out of the game when his team mates aren't feeding him the ball. If he just gets himself involved in and around the box he'll continue to open more and more opportunities for himself and his team mates. Then when defenders get touch tight to cut out his link up play, then the space will open up behind. Just rekon he has to keep playing to figure that out. not sure whether a spell on the sidelines would help, cos I think he needs to play his way through this.

13.) 30 Sep 2018 18:16:16
Salah was poor? Really? I just disagree. Being football player, Salah is a nightmare playing against, and he was giving chelsea some serious problems. Currently only problem is his finishing. His movement and dribbling is superb. If he scored atleast one, we would all be praising him. Give the man some rest and get of his back. This will not help, esp with stupid media already writing about 'poor' Salah.

14.) 30 Sep 2018 18:20:21
I think Mo is doing okay and although I might be interpreting this wrong I am convinced he has been affected by the Egyptian FA argument and the fact that one of those persons made a lightly veiled threat against his mother. Khaled Lateif, an EFA board member, warned Mo, that while he no longer resided in Egypt, his mother did.

“I’d like to remind @MoSalah that your mother is still in Egypt. You are abroad and can do as you wish. Those who understand, understand. ”

Lateif appeared to make the remarks shortly after Salah posted two videos on his official Facebook page criticising the EFA for the country’s poor World Cup campaign. Also don't forget, Magdy Abd El Gany, another senior member of Egyptian FA, also launched an attack on Salah on Tuesday, this time calling him a pig (Pigs are an animal considered ritually unclean in Islam and believers are prohibited from consuming them) .

“Here is a picture of me with four players and a pig in white, ” Abdulghani said in a caption accompanying an image of himself, Mo Salah and four other footballers. This is disgraceful to say the least! I find their politicisation of football and their constant flouting of FIFA rules to be worthy of sanctions by FIFA.

15.) 30 Sep 2018 18:44:50
A hat trick against City next Sunday and he'll be back on track 😃.

16.) 30 Sep 2018 19:37:35
He’s a guy that’s gone from 0 to 100 in one season. When we signed him everyone, including our own fans ere underwhelmed and not much was expected of him. He has that season and now everyone wants a piece of him.
The stuff with the EFA hasn’t helped but neither has the amount of awards ceremonies and individual accolades he’s won. He seems to be at a different awards night every week.
Nobody from Egypt has ever been under this much scrutiny so I would imagine it’s a bit of a culture shock to him it’s just not normal for so much to be expected of an Egyptian footballer.
I’m sure once things calm down a bit he’ll be able to get his head back in the game he’s been caught in a bit of a whirlwind over the past few months.

17.) 30 Sep 2018 20:49:06
If I remember correctly last season Salah had a slow-ish start and I remember the city game in particular he had 3 or 4 really good chances and failed to convert them. Obvs we know what happened after that and the score line looked like we got a drubbing from city but in all fairness we was right in that game until the manè red. Salah is only human and he will have a few bad patches but let's get behind him as class will prevail and he will come through this with flying colours.

18.) 30 Sep 2018 21:18:10
As most have pointed out the guys got a lot on his plate, last season would be a hard act to follow he's still getting in the right places working hard doing all the right things he will be scoring again soon just let him plod through it, a couple against City and he will be off and running again,

19.) 01 Oct 2018 06:30:53
nobody is really firing just yet which makes it so exciting. When we click, well omg, this has the feeling of something special happening, how many times in our hayday did we score really late, sometimes in injury time, sometimes we were ordinary but we still got points, just like we have done so far this season. Sturridge missed a sitter, so did Shaq, and now Salah. Just means its getting closer to us giving someone a hiding and kicking on, something that looks so much better from the top of the ladder rather than 8 points off the pace. Come on guys, so far ahead of last season already!

20.) 01 Oct 2018 10:07:23
Salah and the rest of the team getting a lot of grief on here the last few days, some hard to please folk about, it was hardly a terrible performance away from home at one of the best teams in the league. Oh, and we didn't lose for those who seem to think we did.

21.) 01 Oct 2018 14:13:10
I remember when Fowler had a drought and when Evans was asked about it he replied as long as he still getting in the positions and having the chances it will come, Mo is still getting in the positions still getting chances so give it time. You all have to admit expecting another 40+ goal season was a dream of sheer ecstasy.

22.) 01 Oct 2018 15:11:53
I'm sorry I haven't time to read the whole thread atm, only respond to the OP, because I take exception to this question being asked over and over. He has not been 'so poor', he's just lacing a little bit of his sharpness that he had in abundance last season but it will come. He is still frightening the pants off defenders and getting into those Oh-So-Salah type positions. I've said it repeatedly benching him would be the worst thing to do and I'm glad Klopp agrees. On the other hand, it is just really nice to have another option now that we didn't have last season. Plenty of games coming and both he and Shaq will be needed.

PS: I think it's time to give Keita a run of starts.

23.) 01 Oct 2018 17:22:41
Relax! Salah is contributing, remains a threat in behind and has more shots on target than every other player in the league. He could have had a couple on sat but the goals will come.

Too many people listening to media hype instead of looking at things rationally. The front 3 in general haven’t quite clicked yet but WHEN they do someone is getting a pasting!




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18 Sep 2020 12:59:46
Thiago is primarily seen as a defensive midfielder but I don't think hell play there for us.

I think he and Fabinho will work largely like mascherano and Alonso did. With Fabinho doing the mopping up and then feeding to thiago who can either use his (underrated) close control or excellent range of passing to create chances.

I also think it will likely mean Bobby doesn't need to drop quite so deep since he's good at finding space and thiago is very good at identifying spade to pass into.

Personal opinion but I think it will lead to Bobby scoring more this season.


1.) 18 Sep 2020 13:23:26
You have a point but if bobby isn't dropping deep then he is expected to score which he doesn't. If he doesn't drop deep then Salah isn't coming inside either. That means we need a Lewandowski up top to finish all those chances.
There is only one real weakness in Bobby which is his composure in front of the goal.

{Ed001's Note - why do we need a Lewandowski when we have Salah?}

2.) 18 Sep 2020 13:33:20
coz I want salah to do what Robben did so well for Chelsea. I want him to play on the right and come inside. I don't want him to spend all evening up top between the legs of two center backs.
A a good portion of Bobby's job is stolen by Thiago. Good for us but not good for him.

3.) 18 Sep 2020 13:42:40
Harry, Salah plays that position so well as Mane does due to Bobby's amazing ability to facilitate and draw CB's out to create space. We have won the lot with this system and those players so why change it drastically just to please some people's fantasies?

4.) 18 Sep 2020 13:48:02
What Salah is doing now seems to be working pretty well so far though.

5.) 18 Sep 2020 14:00:16
Harry you say if Bobby isn't dropping deep he'll be expected to score but he doesn't but that's BECAUSE he's dropping deep.

If you compare his heat maps over the last few seasons he has progressively gotten deeper.

There's nothing wrong with his finishing, he may miss some easy chances but so do mane and salah. So does literally every player. There's only a select few who are deadly almost all the time (Batistuta, Brazilian Ronaldo and fowler off top of my head) and who need one chance to score from improbably positions.

6.) 18 Sep 2020 14:14:23
You want Salah to play like Robben did at Chelsea? Robben scored 19 goals in over 100 games for Chelsea, Salah scores more than that in one season.

7.) 18 Sep 2020 14:19:42
Teams (except City and Leeds) are playing really really deep against us now with 11 men behind the ball which gives us literally half a pitch for 21 players to play in. With teams playing this way it’s harder for Bobby to create space for Mo and Mane to run into as it’s so jammed packed. What I expect from Thiago is his ability to find holes and passes that other players can’t see or perform. We are actually at One of our most dangerous when we are defending a corner as we literally have the whole pitch to break into and half the opposition players are in our box.

8.) 18 Sep 2020 14:49:58

You did not read it fully. Bobby's role is a free role. You draw a circle around him then it touches the center half and the opposition 6-yard box. He is not a goal scorer. that is not why we play him. If you want someone at the end of a delightful pass then sorry that is not ROBERTO FIRMINO.

9.) 18 Sep 2020 15:40:13
Who says Bobbie plays a free role? Also, we already have Salah, Mane and any of of our ACM's (Gini included) to get on the end of things so again and we have been super successfully, your beef with Bobbie is unfounded.



17 Sep 2020 21:54:46
For ed002,

I know it's a slightly odd question which has no real answer but I'm interested in your opinion.

Pretty much all transfer fees are never paid in full up front with almost all spread across X time period.

I'm curious why you think the media is reporting the signing of thiago with a focus on only paying 5m up front? It's not really any different than any other transfer but there is a definite focus on consistently pointing out it's only 5m up front.

Why do you think that is?


{Ed002's Note - I don’t know what is being reported but until details of the transfer are registered on the TMS next week the costs will not be clear.}

1.) 17 Sep 2020 23:11:11
Was wondering that myself to be honest.

2.) 18 Sep 2020 00:53:49
adding focus to tiny details perhaps brings the impression that they have good 'sources'.

the details may or may not be true but im certain there are people who would believe it more when they add in these 'details'.

3.) 18 Sep 2020 07:55:45
See I was thinking that it could be the club stating its 5m up front as a method of maintaining the image that we're a club with no money (which we are) because when you claim to not be able to afford 30m then suddenly come up with the money people start to think it's just a negotiating tactic.

But I'm a sports psychologist not a business guy so I'm likely seeing things that aren't there.

4.) 17 Sep 2020 23:09:40
Can anyone see transfer fees on the TMS.

{Ed002's Note - No, it contains a lot of additional information.}



13 Sep 2020 19:43:07
Lot of Bobby bashing, perhaps before you bash any player take into account what their role is for the team.

I really feel like if they just took the number 9 off his back and gave it someone else nobody would whinge, even though its just a number and means nothing.

Just because he's number 9 doesn't mean he is closest to goal. He usually isn't. His job is to create space and opportunity for the two deadly hit men in front of him and to link mid and att. He also does a large amount of defensive work as well (which is often forgotten by his critics) he wins the ball back high up the pitch often starting fast counter attacks.

When you are going to analyse a player watch his ENTIRE game not just the parts you think are relevant.


1.) 13 Sep 2020 20:01:14
Well said nevada. And also, it's one game. Someone said earlier an assist is as good as a goal. Of course it is, as one implies the other.

He certainly didn't need replacing when his goal won the cwc. He's so exciting to watch. I'd love to watch him live, I bet the expectation levels in the stadium soar when he gets the ball. He makes stuff happen. In those split seconds it's amazing how often he makes the right decision.
I imagine he knows the other two are better finishers and so looks for them.

2.) 13 Sep 2020 20:14:28
Bobby is one of my favourite players so I'd never bash him for missing a few chances. But I don't see why his role in the team is important here when were talking about missed chances. If them chances had fell to gomez I'd like him to at least him the target so I expect the same from Bobby.

3.) 13 Sep 2020 22:07:03
Bobby seems to be short of confidence in front of goal, IMO. That may explain why in such situations, he seems to be hesitant and not able to decide if he wants to shoot or play someone in. I have never seen him like this since Klopp took over. He is normally as sharp as a tack and sees things before they happen and is an assist genius.

My hope is that he can get his mojo back and become that genius of a footballer we know him to be. All the other rubbish from the Bobbie bashers need to be ignored as OTT drivel, IMO.

4.) 13 Sep 2020 22:25:47
Van dijk is lethal, if he plays in england till the end of his career I think he'll go down as the best ever in the Premier League but even he is getting criticised because he was cocky yesterday. everone gets criticised even though we love them. i love bobby, I just realise he's been a poorer Bobby the last 12/ 18months.

5.) 13 Sep 2020 22:57:03
Spot on, JH. We can call out what a player's faults are and offer ways on how they can improve BUT it is the complete OTT drivel being spouted off not just here but on SM as a whole, is what does my head in.



28 Aug 2020 19:36:12
Question for Ed002,

Speaking broadly here (it's a finance question so way to complex for anything specific.

An agent I spoke to recently mentioned to me that certain player signings (Ronaldo for example) can add a premium to existing sponsorship deals for the club if the club are willing to associate the player with said sponsor.

How accurate is this?


{Ed002's Note - It is accurate in respect of "endorsement" players can generate. It varies country by country and the US is high as it compensates for wages. The UK is on the low end of the scale.}



28 Aug 2020 10:18:08
Maybe the reason LFC has shown an interest in Sarr is because they were aware mane wanted to move on.

It is an almost like for like replacement in terms of style and versatility and even his numbers are close to what manes numbers were at Southampton and his first two seasons with us.

In addition although I don't like traore (in terms of talent) he too has very similar (though slightly lower) numbers to mane at Southampton and first two seasons with us and also plays a similar style but he is less versatile than mane.

Let's not forget for two years mane was not the best player in the team and quite a few people complained that he was wasteful (a valid complaint given his low shots to goals ratio in first two years) it took klopp and his coaching team two years to make mane the consistent and deadly performer he now is. I see no reason he couldn't do the same with sarr or traore.

Though of the two I would take sarr as he is younger and more versatile, he also defends a lot more.

Side note - question for ed002 if possible the clause we inserted into Coutinho transfer which meant they had to pay 100m min on any other player signed from us, is this still active? I couldn't find out if this was a timed clause or if it simply applied to the next transfer.



{Ed002's Note - No, there is no £100M extra being paid to Liverpool.}

1.) 28 Aug 2020 10:38:29
Sarr’s “numbers” are nothing like Mane’s in his two seasons at Southampton, he scored double figures in both seasons and got more assists in his second season, Sarr has scored half the amount of goals, as a replacement for Shaqiri he’s fine. As a starter and replacement for Mane, he’s underwhelming at best.

2.) 28 Aug 2020 10:38:43
Nevada, I fully disagree. Sarr is miles below the international superstar that Sadio Mane is, just facts bro. Why would we sell Mane in his prime for some raw, inexperienced yet talented kid who would need at least 2 years to get anywhere near Mane of 2 years ago? That makes no business nor football sense at all, man.

IMO, it seems you are trying to convince yourself that Mane could go hence, you are making an argument for Sarr coming in to replace Mane whereas within that argument, you actually made a case for us not to sell Mane and surely not to sell him and replace him with Sarr.

IMO, I do not believe for one second that FSG or Klopp will sell one of our most prized assets at the start of the season. Barcelona may want to sign him (something the and Real would like to do, btw) BUT that is their problem and it certainly does not mean a damn thing to us cos we don't need to sell.

3.) 28 Aug 2020 10:50:41
On talent-wise only Neymar tops him and on work rate, nobody comes close to Mane. Can we offer them Salah and Karius instead of Mane?

4.) 28 Aug 2020 10:56:45
I think if Barcelona make a move he’ll want to go, just a fact of life, players are just employees at the end of the day, the important thing is that we use any funds from a sale on a suitable top quality replacement who can replicate his contribution to the team. That is the part that worries me slightly as the names being bandied about just aren’t up to it.

5.) 28 Aug 2020 13:02:20
6Times, to fans, players are not just employees and football clubs are not just convenient pastimes. Over time, players that perform well for the fans become beloved in that area, and become a symbol of what the place is and represents. Klopp’s style of management would be far less effective if players were simply employees showing up to work every day.
This ‘transient employees’ line I’ve seen reeled out frequently reduces fans’ real attachment to players to something worthy of ridicule, which it is absolutely not.
We’ve been told for 30 years that we needed to be competing for trophies to keep our best players. Now that we are, we are entitled to seriously question ongoings that contradict everything we’ve been fed throughout that time.

{Ed002's Note - Players simply come and go. Nobody is discussing Pedro or Willian now - Hazard never gets a mention.}

6.) 28 Aug 2020 13:20:45
I’m just being realistic in my view on this. Don’t mean to sound cold and cynical but that’s just how it is. The days of the Corinthian spirit of willing amateurs doing it for the love of the game or their team are long gone.

7.) 28 Aug 2020 14:49:40
You make a valid point ED02, Hazard never gets a mention coz the replacement Chelsea has signed are WORLD CLASS PLAYERS. Christian Pulisic is a baller and would become better than Hazard while both Ziyech and Havertz are at least ten times better than Pedro and Willian. Mane won't be replaced by someone better, But a young potential.

8.) 28 Aug 2020 15:35:33
I don't judge players based solely on numbers but those that have said Sarr numbers don't compare did you also consider that sarr is not playing in a team which is as much of an attacking threat as Southampton were?

Also of course he's raw, that was exactly my point. When we bought mane we bought a player who missed as many chances as he scored and who struggled to include himself in games. Klopp and Co turned him into who he is. Why can't they do the same with Sarr considering their raw attributes are very similar.

Seems like some people can only plan for here and now. Think 2 years into the future.

9.) 28 Aug 2020 16:15:18
I guess some benefit of the doubt should be given to the fact that Sarr was in a poor Watford side who were relegated and Mane was in a Southampton side who were easily in the top ten. I’m not convinced 100% but he’s a better shout than Dembele.




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06 Oct 2020 10:57:11
I feel like I can add something here as I did meet mino once and had a chat with him. I think I've posted the conversation before but I'll give the broad strokes here.

From the perspective of an agent, they feel they are worth their money because their job is to get the best possible financial deal for their client. They believe they're the only ones solely focused on their clients finances (clubs largely want to use the players talent and would not be focused on finance at all )

He (mino) said "footballers career is short. They spend much while they play. Its my job to make sure when the career is finished they still have money to spend and don't need to work in supermarket. Why should I negotiate millions for my clients and peanuts for myself? "

He also alluded a few times to the fact many executives in football get paid huge sums.

I'm not saying that his view is 100% correct, because it's not. But it's also not wrong either. Before agents had the power they do now footballers were paid significantly less and many footballers even at pro level had no money beyond their career.




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28 Aug 2020 10:19:05
Chiesa is deceptively good with his weaker foot. He'd be fine either side.




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24 Feb 2020 21:01:59
Thanks for the reply Ed appreciate the insight. Chiesa won't be leaving Italy, though I would like him. Great player.

Side question I know we have watched tonali a lot this season and last season (amongst many other teams), I also know he started taking English lessons last year. You think we might make a move for him?


{Ed002's Note - No - unless Fabinho were to leave. Sandro Tonali (DM/CM) - A player who was being chased by Conte at Chelsea as a 17 year old and has continued to be of interest but it probably won't go anywhere unless Kante or Jorginho were to leave. There was interest in the summer of 2019 from Liverpool, but it was seen as futile and expensive and not followed up. His reluctance to leave Italy ended PSG interest who then went for Idrissa Gueye and the €60M price killed the interest of Milan. Napoli, Inter, Fiorentina and Juventus remain interested with Manchester City, PSG and Chelsea keen if the kid is open to leaving Italy. PSG would only look again if Gueye or Paredes were to leave which seemes unlikely right now. Manchester City have extended the contract of Fernandinho another year but could bid and put the player out on loan, perhaps to Girona. Liverpool would no doubt consider their position as well although he will never be HG in England. Realistically, Juventus would be the best solution as they will be looking to replace Blaise Matuidi (although also have Casemiro in mind) which may open the door for Napoli in addition to Inter - I would discount Fiorentina.}



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23 Feb 2020 10:27:00
Ed002 you don't think that perhaps salah may leave in the summer and the club could look to werner as his replacement?

Werner played this role most of his career, its only really this season he has been asked to drop into a deeper role similar to firmino.


{Ed002's Note - Werner does best best playing through the middle, not on either wing - that is where the goals come from if he has the space. It would be a pointless exercise have him replacing someone who plays best from wide positions. So it remains that there has certainly been interest from Klopp but right now there is no deal in place at all at this time and if there is to be, unless there is a change of style, or Firmino leaves or Werner accepts he effectively playing from the bench as a back up to Firmino. The position where Liverpool really do need someone is in the AM role - and if a pot of money is available and no one suggests the price is too high, that is where Kai Havertz makes more sense.

As for Salah, I am aware that he and his agent are aware that they have put themselves in a difficult position with previous financial demands which saw them laughed out of Madrid and approaches to other sides came to nothing - regardless, Liverpool is probably the best place for Salah to be biding his time right now and there is no reason to think he will be leaving this summer. The efforts to boost his profile will no doubt continue, and he will doubtless be holidaying with a professional photographer again and be seen kissing babies and rescuing swooning girls with twisted ankles from being eaten by bears. But these efforts to sell him as the new Real Madrid poster boy may come to nothing as they have a first-choice forward target for next summer. So right now, it is hard to say where he could potentially move to unless things change - and they always do of course. In terms of a replacement, the player Klopp has made no secret of his desire to work with is Lorenzo Insigne but I suspect age is against that ever happening. So if someone were to push me in to saying who would be the best fit if Salah were to leave next summer, I would say Federico Chiesa rather than Timo Werner who is far more effective elsewhere. Chiesa would be a direct replacement, has similar attributes to Salah, is you, liked by Klopp and, although Liverpool have shown no interest, will be sold in the summer - with pleanty of interest across Europe - not least from Juventus and Inter. Ironically, he has had to be used as a striker for much of this season and has also done pretty well there.}



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16 Jul 2019 12:11:30
SG84EVA it's very easy to look at hard working midfielders and say they don't create anything but you would be wrong and you would most definitely not be considering their overall effect on the game.

The it running and pressing creates space for forward players as the opponent have to chase them around. In addition to this they win the ball back much further up the pitch which takes advantage of space.

Do they play the Hollywood killer passes? No but to say they create nothing shows a lack of understanding of the team element of football.





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22 Oct 2020 16:21:15
I've thought when taki has played in prem he looked very lightweight, perhaps a little too lightweight. I was surprised to see him still very lightweight even in the champs league a competition which is a lot less physical. Makes me wonder if this is why taki hasn't had many opportunities.




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14 Oct 2020 11:15:25
Interesting read ed.

I have a short tidbit in relation to the keepers going hands down for shots at their feet. I've always found that odd as well.

I was told by a former Italian keeper that he was shown videos of keepers in ice hockey dealing with the same type of shot at the request of then national coach Cesare maldini and told to learn to deal with shots at the feet the same way. Two options - 1. Use the feet to keep the ball away from the goal and 2. Dive in the shot with full body so that it cannot rebound or be poked in.

Just thought that was interesting relative to this piece.


{Ed001's Note - that is essentially how I see it as well. I just don't understand the obsession with getting your hands to it. I know some have come from a handball background and so are used to using their hands for everything, but surely coaching should be looking to rectify that?}



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14 Oct 2020 10:59:31
If we are just talking talent I think a case can be made for ronaldinho being equal to messi, if not better.

Messi has had the benefit of the greatest Barcelona side in history and gets protected by referees quite a bit in Spain. Dinho also performed for club and country whereas messi seems to be much less effective when he doesn't have the entire team playing to his strengths.




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18 Sep 2020 14:00:16
Harry you say if Bobby isn't dropping deep he'll be expected to score but he doesn't but that's BECAUSE he's dropping deep.

If you compare his heat maps over the last few seasons he has progressively gotten deeper.

There's nothing wrong with his finishing, he may miss some easy chances but so do mane and salah. So does literally every player. There's only a select few who are deadly almost all the time (Batistuta, Brazilian Ronaldo and fowler off top of my head) and who need one chance to score from improbably positions.




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18 Sep 2020 07:55:45
See I was thinking that it could be the club stating its 5m up front as a method of maintaining the image that we're a club with no money (which we are) because when you claim to not be able to afford 30m then suddenly come up with the money people start to think it's just a negotiating tactic.

But I'm a sports psychologist not a business guy so I'm likely seeing things that aren't there.