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05 Aug 2021 10:05:29
Origi or Taki now of interest to Southampton?

ToonRed

1.) 05 Aug 2021 10:48:03
Origi would be a good player for them. Not sure Taki could lead the line like Ings did though.


2.) 05 Aug 2021 11:36:43
Maybe it’s time for Southampton to take some players back from LFC in a double swoop for Taki and Origi?


3.) 05 Aug 2021 11:41:55
Rumours are Tammy A is there target.


4.) 05 Aug 2021 12:07:49
@Stenova Tammy will be sold abroad - Atalanta are favourites at the moment but it depends on a cascade of sales.


5.) 05 Aug 2021 13:11:53
@Reynard can't see it happening as Ralph suggested he'd try get a couple of players in with the cash.


6.) 05 Aug 2021 14:05:34
@Stenova they're meeting soon and if Chelsea manages to get Lukaku then I imagine the cascade will take place. Ralph can say whatever he wants but Chelsea expects in the range of £35m for TA. Southampton could do worse than get both Taki and Div from us for around the combined £30m. Just my opinion.


 

 

04 Aug 2021 08:30:31
Dominic King reporting that Sheffield Utd, Celtic and Bournemouth are all interested in Ben Davies. LFC have turned down a loan offer from SHU.

Is the plan still to keep him or is he for sale?

ToonRed

1.) 04 Aug 2021 08:45:13
If he comes under the HG quota then I expect him to stay. much will depend on how much we could raise from sales.


2.) 04 Aug 2021 10:39:18
Folks here really need to understand what the HG rules mean.

It is not a requirement to have x number of HG players. If you have fewer HG players than the quota then it just means your squad is smaller. HOWEVER, you can use as many U21s as you want.

The current Premier League rules are that you can have a maximum of 17 non-HG players in your squad. Therefore, to have a full squad of 25, you need 8 HG players. However, you don't HAVE to have 8 HG players, you just end up with a smaller squad (like we have done at least last season if not the year before, the same as a few other teams too) .

Looking at the HG players who are going to be part of our squad based on merit:

Milner
Henderson
Trent
Robbo
Kelleher (I think he counts as HG? )
Gomez

That's 6, which means our squad of senior players can be 23.

On top of that we still have Phillips, and the Ox, but I can't see a problem if either or both are sold. My gut feel is we will sell Phillips and keep the Ox as I still rate him, if only he could stay fit!

Players such as Neco Williams, Rhys Williams, Curtis Jones, Harvey Elliot, Clarkson etc are all classed as U21 so they can automatically be a part of our EPL and CL squads (as long as we register them) and we can have as many U21s as we register.

So, we do not need to stress about HG quotas. They are not a mandatory requirement to have x number of HG players, rather a squad restriction on Non-HG players being a maximum of 17. And a number of players who are around our first team - the most advanced (in terms of likely game time) being Curtis Jones - are U21 so are eligible anyway.

Personally, I'd quite like to try out Doku. He would be classed as U21 so has no impact on the 17 squad places for non-HG and seems to have great potential.

{Ed002's Note - You need to consider the club developed players as well.}


3.) 04 Aug 2021 10:51:20
Thanks Ed002, was going to mention CD players as well, but thought I'd try to get the HG rules tied down!

Are the Club Developed players only relevant for CL squads rather than EPL squads, or is the EPL likely to introduce a CD requirement too?

{Ed002's Note - At the moment CL only but the number of HG players will increase for the PL and their will be club developed requirements as well.}


4.) 04 Aug 2021 10:59:25
I didn't think Robbo was classed as HG, Zeddicus?

{Ed002's Note - He isn't.}


5.) 04 Aug 2021 11:01:27
What’s huge club developed player quota Ed002? Forgive my ignorance I can’t find anything online about this. Is this something coming into play soon? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It already exists for the Champions League which is why Liverpool had a small than 25 man senior squad last season. It is coming for the Premier League.}


6.) 04 Aug 2021 11:02:38
Doku would need to be registered as one of the 17 non-HGs in the Champions League squad. The CL has an additional restriction that an U21 player needs to be at the club for 2 years or more to go on the unlimited size B list for U21s.

He'd be a "freebie" for the PL because they don't have that requirement.


7.) 04 Aug 2021 11:05:10
Does Robbo count as HG? Is it English fa?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


8.) 04 Aug 2021 11:06:27
Also Robbo's not Home Grown for an English club. He was in Scotland for the relevant years and the UK is not all counted as one entity for the purposes of HG players.


9.) 04 Aug 2021 11:28:04
Do EU players who have acquired the right of permanent residence (or been granted the equivalent settled status following Brexit) in the UK if they’ve lived in England for five years count HG, Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - The HG rules are simple - where they are born is of no relevance.}


10.) 04 Aug 2021 11:41:52
Ah sorry folks, got it wrong with Robbo, good shout on Doku too, SR. I have a sneaking suspicion that one of the players we will sign (towards the end of the window no doubt as we need to make some sales first) will be an U21, at least for the EPL.

Doku and Pedri are the ones we have been linked to in recent weeks. Pedri may just be too expensive, but he would be an amazing acquisition who (I think, maybe Ed002 can confirm? ) could qualify as Club Trained if he joined this summer?

{Ed002's Note - Pedri won't be moving to Liverpool. Another club made a very significant offer (way more than Liverpool could afford) and it was rejected as he is not for sale.}


11.) 04 Aug 2021 11:44:31
Thanks for clarifying the club developed rule Ed02.


12.) 04 Aug 2021 11:51:48
Eds Is the Home Grown rule being considered a success within the football industry?

As a fan looking from the outside it seems at least in England it just leads to inflated fees as no doubt Grealish and Sancho are great players but a combined cost of £170m for two players that are not guaranteed to start in the national team first 11.

{Ed002's Note - Yes and it is being expanded.}


13.) 04 Aug 2021 14:02:48
Zed- You’re right, if he’s not going to play it’s pretty irrelevant that he’s home grown.


14.) 04 Aug 2021 16:05:51
Our problem is not with the lack of home-grown players, it is having too many non-home-grown bit-part players. We currently have the maximum number of non-home-grown players that can be registered in our first-team squad. As a result, IF (big if) we were to buy anybody (e. g. Saul or Bissouma) who happens to not be a home-grown player we would be in the position of having to remove another non-home-grown player from the registered squad (e. g. Shaq, Origi or Minimino) and we would be paying players wages who we can not even register for competitions.

{Ed0666's Note - stop fretting about this HG quota malarkey people. I’m my opinion Shaq, taki and divvy will be gone either loaned or sold by the end of this transfer window. Problem solved.


15.) 04 Aug 2021 20:51:25
Great original post Zed (and ed002 for the extra detail) this helps dispel the panic about HG quotas. Things will obviously change in the future, but at the moment this doesn’t seem to be a massive problem. We obviously need to sell to bring in none HG players, but I think the club would be selling before they buy anyway irrelevant of HG quotas. The CL ‘home grown’ quotas are obviously relevant as well, but in the main the first choice players would be playing in the CL anyway, unless the game’s a ‘dead rubber’ in which case a fair few if the U21’s would probably be playing anyway. Something that definitely will be addressed going forwards I’m sure, but at the moment I can’t see why the club would be panicking about the situation.


 

 

31 Jul 2021 11:08:16
A lot of noise in the press today on Traore. I’m not over the moon about it but if he does join he deserves our support and could be a very useful impact player off, more so than Origi who will never lose his cult status but it’s probably time to move on.

As Ed002 suggests, I would rather us sell the fringe players and work with what we’ve got for now and invest in young HG talent for the future. I’m not talking about light years ahead, but trying to bring in the next Trent, Curtis or Harvey.

Is there any news on the Bobby Clark youngster from Newcastle?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure the if the situation with the kiddie has changed.}


1.) 31 Jul 2021 12:00:01
Clark has signed.
I agree re Traore, in that he would be a decent sub to have with that power and pace. The issue is that one would think by now decent coaching would have him already be less headless.


2.) 31 Jul 2021 13:05:06
To be fair there were reservations on this very board when we bought Sadio (attitude, application) and Mo (didn’t do anything at Chelsea, not a standout at Roma) but someone at the club obviously saw something.

I don’t see Traore (based on the little I have seen) as a starter but he would be a reasonable back up, and as I say, perhaps whoever the “someone at the club’ who can spot potential sees something in him ……. Just saying.

{Ed002's Note - Traore is a Klopp pick - not the scout who persuaded Liverpool to buy Salah who was way down the list for Klopp.}


3.) 31 Jul 2021 13:17:23
Listening to your staff. that's why he's the best!


4.) 31 Jul 2021 13:14:17
100% their is a player their in Traore I feel his decision making is the part of his game that needs to improve also if he joined he would be joining a team who are more on the front foot for larger periods in games and play more attacking aggressive football so that could potentially unlock his full potential. Just a thought.


5.) 31 Jul 2021 14:27:48
Are you saying Klopp shouldn’t have a ‘pick’ Ed02? Seems a bit unfair if he can’t have a pick every now and then, when it’s his turn of course.

{Ed002's Note - I said nothing of the sort. Clearly a large number of supporters are trashing his choice of Traore. You wonder if Bowen would get the same treatment?}


6.) 31 Jul 2021 14:51:07
One would assume that Nuno and staff were good enough coaches to improve players, judging by how decent Wolves can be, so why did Traore not improve?
Id go for Bowen over Traore personally.


7.) 31 Jul 2021 14:59:35
Bowen would be great signing ed2.


8.) 31 Jul 2021 15:14:35
Ed, to clarify has Bowen been recommended by the same scout as Salah?

Generally, do scouts concentrate on certain leagues or positions or will they act across the board?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


9.) 31 Jul 2021 15:48:08
I don’t see a good player in Traore at all, more someone who’s used his strength and power to compensate for his lack of any real skill or tactical acumen. All very well against lower league teams but at the very top you’ve got to have brain and brawn.


10.) 31 Jul 2021 16:06:05
I don’t see a good player in Traore, but I do see a very decent player in Bowen who can develop more, he’s got a decent final ball and he’s got a knack of scoring goals and getting in goal scoring positions, and as far as I’m concerned forwards should be judged on how many goals they score and create, that’s their currency.


11.) 31 Jul 2021 16:30:34
Traore looks poor. Always on the bench for wolves for a reason. Would need to be 10 million to make sense imo. But klopp does improve players so let's hope he can work his magic.


12.) 31 Jul 2021 18:35:39
Don't want Bowen anywhere near our club unless they employ him as a cleaner. He's simply not CL level.


13.) 31 Jul 2021 20:05:52
I'll bet any man, woman or dog, that if we do sign Traore he will score at least 10 goals 😏 no matter what it is, we must believe.


14.) 31 Jul 2021 21:35:31
Did Robertson, Fabinho, Salah, etc etc. None of them looked great when they joined but klopp and co. took them out and worked on them. I think that's Klopps genius, he buys players that he thinks have great qualities and tweaks them to make them great players. If klopp likes Traore I have 100% faith in that.


15.) 31 Jul 2021 22:37:21
I agree with the sentiment Wuger, though Fabinho was obviously a class act when he was playing for Monaco - I was made up when we signed him!


16.) 01 Aug 2021 00:45:58
False equivalency Wuger.

Robertson was one of Hull’s best players.

Salah had been dominating in Serie A and probably the best winger in Serie A when we signed him.

Firmino had consistently been one of Hoffenheim’s best players when we signed him.

Fabinho had been one of Monaco’s best players and was widely coveted by many sides.

Traore is a non goal scoring, non creative forward with only one thing in his locker, getting his head down and running at people. He’s got no vision, no skill, no finesse, his shooting is poor and if he assists a goal it’s more luck than judgement, no amount of coaching will give him end product. The bloke was at Barcelona and if they couldn’t get that into him then no one can.

It’s good money to bad abs would be almost as bad a waste of money as Keita.


17.) 01 Aug 2021 12:02:12
I'm not quite sure you're remembering this correctly. Robertson was like a puppy, loads of energy but no end ball, so klopp took him out worked on him and he was transformed into a great player. Salah wasn't great, I think he scored 15 goals the previous season and then scored 32. Fabinho looked awful when he started but now he's brilliant.


18.) 01 Aug 2021 15:30:50
Can we have a grumpy award for Rudder please eds?


 

 

08 Jul 2021 09:30:29
Ed002, any updates on players leaving?

Just scrolled through and the latest I can find is;

Shaq - Lazio are keen?
Nat Phillips - Burnley are keen? I'll be sad to see him leave, but right thing for his career
Origi - Liv asking too much, may stay?
Keita - can't find anything . ?
Neco William - saw in press recently Southampton an option?
Karius - forgot he was still at Liv
Harry Wilson - linked to a number of clubs in the past but quiet at the moment?
Grujic - Porto?
Salah - his agent still flirting with other clubs?
Mane - is he happy at Liv?
Minamino - up for sale?

This is not a departure wishlist by the way, just enquiring if there's any movement from the players who have been linked with a move away. Plus we do need to get some money in!

ToonRed

1.) 08 Jul 2021 10:22:49
I believe that players that are on the cusp - Shaq, Minamino, Origi etc - Klopp may wait to see how they do in pre-season training, which is starting this week IIRC? I think the end of this month will be busier in terms of outgoings.

BTW, Wilson has been linked with Leeds and Keita with Atelico Madrid (I think)


2.) 08 Jul 2021 11:29:53
My mind is like a transfer info steel trap. Ed002 has said the following:

Shaqiri - Lazio interested at the right price
Phillips - Burnley interested. Klopp keen to sell
Origi - Cercle Brugge walked away from the asking price
Keita - no declared interest. Liverpool need to cut their losses
N. Williams - not seen anything recent
Karius - not seen anything recent
Wilson - Cardiff are interested at the right price
Grujic - Porto and Hertha Berlin interested, but not at the €20m asking price.
Mane - not seen anything recent
Minamino - Sevilla and Southampton both looking to do business at the right price.


3.) 08 Jul 2021 12:17:15
The Echo 'reported' that Porto are at €10m and we're at €17m for Gruijic, but that a deal is looking likely around €13m.


4.) 08 Jul 2021 20:21:05
A lot of folks getting confused. Looking for news of players that they either don't rate or like, forgetting that Klopp and his staff might see that player's position very differently. Keita being a prime example.


 

 

06 Jul 2021 10:51:05
A bit more noise in the press today, Tsimikas to Inter? Brighton identified a replacement for Bissouma possibly paving the way for a move to Liverpool?

Now that full stadiums has been confirmed, wouldn’t be surprised to see FSG borrow against the confirmation of that income stream now!

ToonRed

1.) 06 Jul 2021 11:01:35
If we sign Bissouma I'll be over the moon. Excellent player with an exemplary injury record. An upgrade on Wijnaldum and also very versatile in that he can play almost anywhere in the midfield.

I pray to the football gods!


2.) 06 Jul 2021 11:23:04
buying players proven in this league who also have exemplary injury records is the way forward, not the Renato Sanches route, please.


3.) 06 Jul 2021 11:41:12
An upgrade on Gini? Bissouma has had a good year. Gini was excellent for us, the consommate professional. Obviously something happened and the last few months he was probably holding a little back and protecting himself. Imo we won't sign a player or haven't been linked to a midfielder as good as him!


4.) 06 Jul 2021 11:46:17
Bissouma would be the far most sensible choice, he looks a quality player, disciplined, hard working, can play as a holding midfielder or box to box, good passer, quick, physically in good condition.


5.) 06 Jul 2021 12:22:14
I'm guessing Bissouma is plan A and Sanches is Plan B.


6.) 06 Jul 2021 12:36:18
Think eds2 said Arsenal are interested in Bissouma as well!

{Ed077's Note - indeed they are.


7.) 06 Jul 2021 13:04:00
Id like to think LFC would have the upper hand over Arsenal on a footballing basis however agents, money, teammates and of course the twinkling lights in London could be a factor in his decision.

Great player though, some engine on him!

{Ed014's Note - ahh the good old twinkling lights of London, that and we’ll likely offer him more money.

Would love him but god knows where he’ll end up, I didn’t think he was our first choice but what do I know🤷‍♂️


8.) 06 Jul 2021 13:31:52
He's more than likely heading to arsenal so.


9.) 06 Jul 2021 13:32:35
I think he is a big Arsenal fan though. Stenova, come on man Gini wasn’t excellent, he was good but far from one of our main players. I not sure he would have got in the first 11 if everyone was fit.


10.) 06 Jul 2021 14:44:47
Eds…. Will Arsenals pursuit/ purchase of Albert Sambi Lokonga mean their interest in Bissouma fades?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


11.) 06 Jul 2021 14:59:57
We’ve got Gini cover. Jones can step up etc.
It’s Firmino we need to be worried about. Jota covers mane and Salah but Divock isn’t good enough for how much Bobby is struggling most weeks.
We’ve Got to be looking at a Center forward before yet another midfielder surely.


12.) 06 Jul 2021 15:13:35
Liverpoolfc8, I’m not convinced by our midfield options once we get past Henderson and Fabinho. If we put out any three from Keita, Thiago, Milner, Ox or Curtis we’d get beaten. Keita needs to be moved on as he’s injury prone, ineffective and lazy, Ox and Milner aren’t really centre midfielders (Milner is looking his years now too and Ox is far too injury prone to rely upon ) and Curtis is very inexperienced and it does show, he holds on to the ball too long, his decision making is naive and he’s not the still tactically very raw. I agree that the back up to Firmino needs looking at, but I do also think we need a centre midfielder as that’s fundamentally a critical part of Klopp’s formation and tactics.

Remember how awful we played when our midfield was stripped of Henderson and Fabinho last season.

{Ed0666's Note - we need a midfielder period.


13.) 06 Jul 2021 15:23:42
Pesky Arsenal always sticking their noses in😃.

{Ed0666's Note - if he signs for arsenal than good luck to him we haven’t got the monopoly on all players


14.) 06 Jul 2021 15:56:20
VVVV I agree. But we’ve got to get rid of some of those players you mention if we’re not going to use them.
The one thing about Gini is he was Never ever injured. And we will miss that. But I’d get shot of Keita and Ox before bringing in yet another one, we’re not even linked with anyone that special tbh. McGinn, Bissouma, Sanchez.
Are they that much of an upgrade on Thiago Gini? I’m not so sure mate.


15.) 06 Jul 2021 15:56:17
Yes Ed14 unfortunately there are a few players that pick the lovely lights and lifestyle as a key in there decision making.

Ed666 I agree we need a mid a good box to box style who can chip in with some goals would be nice. Bissouma appears to fit that mould. I did like the idea of a new house though ;-)

Hope you are all well!


16.) 06 Jul 2021 16:31:42
Ok its seems only me who doesn't see what others on here see in bissouma.
Of all the players mentioned my personal opinion is
1) he suits our system least atleast technically. The free midfielder in our 3 is going to be thiago.
2) does not score enough which is an actual problem from us.


17.) 06 Jul 2021 17:08:35
Gini is gone. The real loss is his ever availability and reliability. He is always a 6-7 in terms of rating. Not brilliant, but usually acceptable.

Keita and Ox can't provide that.
Jones has some way to go.

No point getting someone not ready to start as that should be Jones' role.
So it comes down to this, are we able to rely Ox or Keita.
If not, sell 1 and get an upgrade.

Someone at least reliable.
Ability to chip in with goals would be ideal.

Otherwise, we can always play a 3-4-3, with TAA in midfield.


18.) 06 Jul 2021 17:15:04
Unless the system is changing, we don't prioritise goals from MF.
Biss is ready made potential, proven in this league. He is no doubt hungry (unlike Naby) and will give the peripheral players a kick up the backside-Then we'll see who has the minerals and who needs flogging.
Biss makes sense on many levels, regardless of the level you might have seen at Brighton. Yes they see that but they also have a better idea of his potential/ ceiling and i imagine that is pretty high.
JK has a masterful way of getting the most out of all players imo .


19.) 06 Jul 2021 17:16:44
Insigne Linked again. Apparently one of JK's favourite players . He is so good, although im not sure how well he'd travel.


20.) 06 Jul 2021 17:23:55
3-4-3 with Trent in midfield? So we drop Robbo? Or is Robbo playing left side of the 4?


21.) 06 Jul 2021 18:23:15
Bissouma can choose to win things or at least be in with a chance or he could join arsenal 🤣.


22.) 06 Jul 2021 19:02:10
I was being sarcastic Ed0666.

{Ed0666's Note - and I thought I needed to work on my banter 😂


23.) 06 Jul 2021 22:06:49
I thought that the word"Pesky"may have given it away Ed. I suppose that's what I get for watching too much Scooby-Doo🐶.


 

 

 

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18 Sep 2021 23:34:30
MOTD fever warning. Konate seems like a really good bloke and very popular already amongst the squad.

ToonRed

 

 

24 Aug 2021 10:04:28
I know we can't afford him and we have an overcrowded midfield as it is, but if we can offload enough players and raise enough cash, the one player I'd love us to go for this summer is Bissouma.

He would run our midfield for years to come and I think his value will double this season, superb player.

If we can't get him, I'm more than happy with our squad as it is for this season.

ToonRed

1.) 24 Aug 2021 10:19:42
If we did sign him what’s happens to Jones? The OX might as well be sold as well.


2.) 24 Aug 2021 10:36:45
I love Bissouma and have said two months ago I would love to sign him but he will not be a £100M player come the end of the season.

Why can people be realistic? He should cost £38M or so now not £50M like Brighton want and he will not be worth double that.


3.) 24 Aug 2021 10:38:57
Jones is a completely different player and someone who I’m a big fan of, but I think Bissouma would be an excellent addition to our squad and is undeniable better than Ox and Keita.

This is also the last year we’ll have Milner, we’ve lost Gini and Thiago and Hendo are 30 plus, so we have to keep one eye on the future.


4.) 24 Aug 2021 11:03:22
I’m very optimistic that if we can offload a few players then we probably can afford him. The transfer fee may be £10 million higher than we’d like but can anybody seriously argue with his quality? He’s premier league proven, is rarely injured and appears to have a good attitude, none of which could be said for Keita. Also has the tactical flexibility to play any role in the midfield that is required of him, at 25 is the right maturity and age bracket that Liverpool often buy in. He seems like a dead cert success to me, there aren’t any obtainable midfielders of better quality out there and he looks like he could very soon be operating at the level of a Kante or Ndidi. He looks perfect for the way we play, numbers both defensively and offensively are superior to Wijnaldum and he’d be the perfect replacement. He may be costly but i strongly feel that if we don’t move now, we’ll be kicking ourselves in a years time wishing we had, a bit like when Kante moved to Chelsea for peanuts and everyone wished they’d have thought of it first. Wages will actually be affordable too, unlike Saul. If we leave it another year i doubt an option as good as Bissouma will still be on the table.


5.) 24 Aug 2021 11:20:36
Agree AW, he was the best player on the pitch over the weekend by a distance. Would instantly strengthen our MF no doubt.


6.) 24 Aug 2021 12:30:10
We have very talented youngsters who if given the chance could very well be just as good as some of the players being mentioned. From a business standpoint it makes better since right now to groom the youngsters and have them fill in where needed. There are success stories like TAA and Jones. there are a few other youngsters that I'm excited about coming through the ranks. Our squad is good enough right now to compete for the league title and champions league. Finances are the issue and we're fortunate to have some younger players who are talented. I would agree that in the next year or two we need to supplement with some known talent, but to add to the wage bill and spend unnecessarily right now doesn't make sense.


7.) 24 Aug 2021 12:32:48
Surely a bid of £25 million, Philips and reasonable/ achievable add ons can get the job done, unreal the faffin we do due to lack of not even, major money, in this day and age.


8.) 24 Aug 2021 18:32:23
We don't need to replace Gini unless there's a major I jury crisis come January, the midfield is packed with Jones and Elliot also counted.


9.) 24 Aug 2021 18:33:51
I completely agree Stone but Jones and Elliott aren’t the same type of player that Bissouma is. Bissouma is more defensive and box to box, whereas Elliott and Jones are more creative and play further forward. The problem is that we definitely do need another box to box/ defensive midfielder but we already have a stacked midfield overall, with 4 creative midfielders all vying for a role we don’t even play in most games. The squad balance of the midfield is all wrong and that is the germ of the problem.

I agree that Jones and Elliott should be getting as many minutes as possible but that should be at the expense of Keita and Ox, not at the expense of playing a balanced midfield. If it weren’t for the fact Jones had a potential concussion i couldn’t have seen any need to play Keita in the opening two fixtures. I mean can you seriously see us playing a midfield with more than one of Ox, Keita, Jones and Elliott many times this season? I doubt it, nor is it something i ever want to see again.

However, we can’t seem to generate interest in either Keita or Ox so now Klopp must work with what he has and try to keep them happy, as well as justify their big wages. Ox has kind of a unique skill set so i can see the appeal for him, but in the case of Keita i just don’t see any justification for starting him over anybody else. Even though his last two appearances have been a slight improvement, i just can’t see what he is bringing that another player wouldn’t do better. We can’t be forcing him in over better players and blocking the development of younger players like Jones just to justify his wages, and we also can’t be pretending that our midfield is stacked and healthy just because we have more bodies than we really want.

In my opinion we need Bissouma AND we need to give more minutes to our hard working younger players, and while that area of the squad may be quite bloated we can’t lie to ourselves or try and be nice to everyone, nor let it put us off buying players with a particular skill set we need. If Ox and Keita want to play at all they need to make themselves far more indispensable than they have been thus far. Football is a ruthless business and waits for nobody.


10.) 24 Aug 2021 20:14:41
can't disagree anonymous.


 

 

20 Aug 2021 08:38:23
Anyone else rather save the money and not buy Traore an wait until next summer to bring in someone better?

ToonRed

1.) 20 Aug 2021 11:37:51
Yep, same with Bowen for me as well.


 

 

10 Aug 2021 09:43:41
As the homegrown policy is only becoming more important, i'd be interested to hear everyone's thoughts on the current crop coming through the academy, especially Ed001 if you're out there. In no particular order;

Owen Beck
Ben Woodburn
Leighton Clarkson
Layton Stewart
Kaide Gordon
Jack Cain
Conor Bradley
Callum Scanlon
Tyler Morton
Mateusz Musialowski
James Balagizi
Paul Glatzel
Adam Lewis

And anyone else i've missed who's highly rated within the club.

ToonRed

{Ed001's Note - if we get more than one of those becoming a regular in the first team we will be very lucky. There are a few there with the potential but it is very difficult to force a way into this team for a youngster. You only have to look at the whining about Neco right now, or the bitching at Trent when he first broke into the team, to see how hard it is for kids. People seem to expect them to be the finished article, but you buy finished articles, kids are there to be developed.}


1.) 10 Aug 2021 09:59:44
Clarkson looked a tidy player last night. His quick passing style very similar to Thiago.


2.) 10 Aug 2021 10:03:14
The only way Neco can learn is by having the space to make mistakes.


3.) 10 Aug 2021 10:05:43
Winds me up the moaning about youngsters Ed. You can’t judge a youngster after a couple of half appearances and write them off.

Neco Williams is the one that drives me nuts the most. Young kid, full international (out of position aswell I might add! ) and yet he is deemed not good enough by most fans and should be sold. I think he is a cracking right back and has developed really well over the past two years. Just happens to be behind Trent who makes most RBs look poor.

What happens if 5 games in, Harvey Elliot hasn’t scored or had a couple of poor performances (not that I want that! ) do we say he’s not good enough! Everyone wants instant results, give the kids time!

I watch the under 23s and the under 18s whenever they are on, some stand out big time like Curtis did, but to see them in and around the first team has to be the way to go and they should be given fullest support.

{Ed001's Note - that's another one who gets it in the neck - Curtis. No idea why, we are lucky to have a youngster with his work ethic and quality breaking through.}


4.) 10 Aug 2021 10:22:04
Toon, you have used a broad brush. Lewis and Woodburn are both 22 in November, their ship has sailed, Scanlon is only 16, I have walking boots older than that.

Hopefully Glatzel's loan and Stewart's recovery go well, each of them have excellent movement, of all the ones you mention Tyler Morton may be the most likely to make the breakthrough in my humble opinion, having a fine blend of quality and physicality.


5.) 10 Aug 2021 10:46:40
Glatzel has been set back by a couple of bad injuries that will probably make it difficult for him to come through with us. Woodburn doesn't seem to have advanced in 3 years and will leave. Lewis is also at an age where I'd expect him to have made some appearances in the first team if he was going to break though.

Gordon looks a real prospect, he seems to be well ahead of where I'd expect a 16 year old to be in terms of his on pitch intelligence, and Clarkson looks the part too.

As for Neco, I'm not bothered by him making mistakes for Wales or in friendlies. When we needed him for a few games around December last season when TAA was injured, he didn't let us down, imo.


6.) 10 Aug 2021 10:54:42
I see a bright future for Mateusz "Mati" Musialowski.


7.) 10 Aug 2021 11:28:28
I don’t think Glatzel has much of a future at this level his injuries have put him back a few years and I don’t think he was ever if the class of Gordon or Elliott who did not look out of place as soon as they played in the first team and I think it’s a bit easier for forwards of a young age than midfielders and defenders. So I think Neco gets fat to much stick to and is a very good young back up that will only get better and I hope he stays for at least the next 2 seasons to see how he develops. Same as Curtis his learning how to play Central midfield s he was lot more of an attacking player in the youth teams last season was a massive learning experience last season and for his age was chucked in at the deep end and played lot more than Klopp would have liked and without a full strength team round him making it a lot harder. As for any more youngsters coming through you can not tell watching u23 so we might see a few once the carabao cup starts and few get there chances and see how they get on in first team football.


8.) 10 Aug 2021 12:20:23
It's good now that the youngsters get to share the same training pitches as the seniors. If there are some that have the same style as the seniors, how can you not learn and progress from watching how players like virgil, trent, robbo, thiago, fabinho, salah, mane etc perform in training.

I remember the knock on effect that cantona seemed to have at utd with their youngsters coming through. How great would it be to be able to incorporate just one player per season from the youth. Makes for a good return on the funding for the academy and the confidence for the youth to know that you can make it if you try hard enough.


 

 

08 Aug 2021 18:15:54
Harvey Elliot, what a player!

ToonRed

1.) 08 Aug 2021 18:18:59
Great little player toon. Sending him to Blackburn has been a godsend he’s come on leaps.


2.) 08 Aug 2021 18:25:40
The lad is going to be a superstar. You can probably see why Klopp may be reluctant to splash the cast on a midfielder and/ or forward when you have Elliott who can play a vital part of the squad and cover for both positions. Haven’t been this excited about a young prospect for a long time.


3.) 08 Aug 2021 19:39:17
Cheeky place in my fantasy team I think.


 

 

 

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31 Aug 2021 20:10:29
I imagine with Phillips it’s a case of protecting his value and hopefully find a buyer for him next summer.

I really like him, but thought last season would be the perfect springboard his career onto another PL team.

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29 Aug 2021 11:35:28
That would be a huge mistake if we allowed Curtis to leave!

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25 Aug 2021 20:05:19
Exciting stuff … but what’s that got to do with Liverpool?

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17 Aug 2021 21:26:36
Fair enough, I'm not gona argue with you, Ed.

As long as he doesn't block any youngsters, works hard and keeps fit, bring him on!

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17 Aug 2021 14:47:09
With Mane, Jota, Salah and Elliot, I feel the wings are pretty well covered.

I’d prefer someone like Matthew Hoppe as he’s more of a centre forward to provide backup for Bobby.

But if it’s Sarr, let’s hope he can hit the ground running.

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{Ed002's Note - The advantage of Sarr is that he is versatile.}


 

 

 

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18 Sep 2021 11:47:10
Bellingham.

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08 Sep 2021 18:45:00
At least he’ll have something in his trophy cabinet.

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08 Sep 2021 18:44:58
At least he’ll have something in his trophy cabinet.

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06 Sep 2021 13:03:11
Out of interest, is that just playing staff or everyone involved at the club?

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27 Aug 2021 10:28:16
Thank you, and sorry for hitting the button 3 times!

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