02 Oct 2022 10:22:48
Ed001, would love to get your take on what’s going on and what needs to be done?

{Ed001's Note - what do you mean what is going on? We played a team high on confidence, the best defence in the Prem this season, who are playing to impress a new manager. Yet we still put 3 past them and should have won quite comfortably in the end but we sat off and tried to play the game out rather than kept the pressure on. They drew with us last season, when we were high on confidence and in better form and they were not as good then. So I don't see why there is all this whinging from the entitled children on here. I really do not understand why people are so bothered. We are low on confidence but there were some really good moments. I know Trent is the scapegoat now, but in behind him is meant to be where Matip was covering. Matip is rusty and was all at sea and that was a big part of the problem. Not Matip per se, but that he is just back once more and the defence is unsettled and so not in tune. If we could keep a settled back four together that would make a major difference and that will come. There is a long way to go this season, people just need to calm down.

I just really don't understand the crap about how we were lucky to get a point. They are not a clinical side BHA, and even the most clinical sides rarely score on every attack. In fact the first ever study of football stats found that teams scored 1 goal per 9 shots on average. So to say we were lucky is nonsense. If anything we were unlucky that for once Brighton had their scoring boots on.}

1.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 11:18:08
Sorry Ed but a settled back four doesn’t stop the way the opposition defenders can play a relatively simple 30-40 yard pass and take out our entire front 6 with ease. Everyone is out of position almost all the time at the moment which suggests they don’t know what they are doing of being asked to do. This is an ongoing issue and not just down to us playing a confident team.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so. But I would be more worried if our 'front 6' were 30-40 yards away to be in position to cover. What you are describing is a long ball which we use to cut out the opposition mids and forwards in just the same way. You are just making no sense.

If we had played Wolves, Southampton or Forest, for example, then it would be worth the worry. But you lot are whining because you are too arrogant to see just how good a team Potter had made Brighton into. You all seem to think that a draw (the same as last season when we had a fairly good season I seem to remember) is a terrible result. It is no more than disappointing.}

2.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 11:37:28
Thanks, Ed. I agree that we did enough to win the game and we absolutely should have gone for a 4th, but we do need to get back to basics on defending.

Great to see Bobby getting on the scoresheet again.

3.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 11:40:33
Thanks for you reply, Ed01. Like I have been saying, we are simply severely short in confidence right now all over the team which leads to us being so disjointed and poor to watch. That is where our issues lie, end of story. Scapegoating is futile except you have an agenda, imo.

Now onto Matip. I’m general, Many in the fan base have been saying that Matip is a great CB and has been outplaying VVD at times last season while you have always said that he is crap and does not read the game well nor diagnose danger before it happens. Yesterday was the proof I needed to support your point. Matip was atrocious and has become a poor CB imo.

Look at the third goal by Trossard. Trent goes to engage the player. The winger makes the inside run behind Trent which becomes Matip’s man. Even I could see that pass was on as that’s the only space the pass could go BUT Matip is watching the passer instead of anticipating and coming on the cover before the winger makes the run inside. He doesn’t do that, the cross comes in and goal. That goal was carbon copy of the Ajax goal BUT who got the blame? Trent cos that’s the norm these days. Matip has been poor all season BUT that can be said about 90% of the team right now.

4.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 11:46:35
Was at the game, Ed, and I certainly don't hold the view that we should've won comfortably. That view was also shared by most people around me. We all have different perspectives on what we see, but there's no getting away from the fact that we are in a mess at the moment.
Will be there Tuesday when hopefully we can get a more positive result.

{Ed001's Note - that should have said in the end won comfortably. We had control and took our foot off the gas.}

5.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 12:04:41
Certainly don't think we did enough to win the game, we had 3 shots on target, Brighton had 6. Not sure if Matip is the issue either considering we were as bad, probably worse when Gomez was playing.

6.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 12:15:08
Sorry Oli but it was nothing like the Ajax goal.

7.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 13:04:09
We are just in October and a sign of where we are is I want City to win later. Like most supporters I've given up on the title already. That's not being negative it's being a realist.

I agree with you, Irish Rover, Gomez was also a liability when he was playing. Look forward to Konate coming back but he won't fix all our problems.

Like I've said on here before, there isn't one solution to our problems and worryingly Klopp doesn't know how to fix it, clearly. We've been caught by the pack, and maybe overtaken, we just need to suck it up and stand by the team we support.

8.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 13:06:59
I think we were lucky to get a point. Two of our goals had a bit of fortune about them. An own goal and Salah's miskick goes into the path of Firmino.
Brighton were good, very good, and could have been out of sight by half time. We just don't have the legs at the moment and I hope the Eds are right and we will kick on in the second half of the season in a charge for a top half finish ?.

9.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 13:13:10
No need to call people arrogant because they have a different view to you Ed. I personally don't agree, when we’re conceding 3 at home to Brighton that's a concern. We didn’t learn from the first goal, boarder line shambolic and quite worrying. Trent may need a break once Ramsay is fit, the mass hysteria over his England exodus and his ‘defending’ looks to have mentally shattered him. I agree on Matip though, he looked pedestrian.

{Ed001's Note - it is arrogance though. Arrogant self-entitlement, this site is awash with it. Not one bit of context about the opposition, not one admittal that Brighton did well. Just whining about how we were terrible and not giving the slightest bit of credit to the opposition. It is embarrassing.}

10.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 13:18:47
Olired, your post above says 'scapegoating players won't fix a DARN thing', yet here you are calling Matip crap and a poor defender. You are wrong and if Ed01, according to you, thinks Matip is crap then he is also wrong.
The whole team are low on confidence, tactically inept and very easy to play through, and I am not basing that on the Brighton game.
I have read Ed01's comments above, and on this occasion I strongly disagree with him, Brighton could have scored 5 or 6 and as Ed01 says they are not a clinical team, same story with Man Utd, Napoli and Fulham.
It does not make me an entitled whinging child for pointing out there are numerous problems with this team. I am also of the opinion that our midfield is simply not good enough and the reasons are obvious enough without me listing them here.

{Ed001's Note - it does when you are not even giving the slightest bit of credit to Brighton for playing well. Do none of you even read the stuff you post? All that is posted is whines. Not one person has given any credit to Brighton. That is arrogance to just suggest the only reason for that result is all about Liverpool. I don't care if you get upset at it being pointed out, it is about time some of you actually took a step back and thought about it.}

11.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 13:35:40
Alisson kept us in it. He’s been by far our best player this season.
Big hole in midfield, it’s clear as day.

12.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 13:51:20
Agreed Liverpoolfc8. Allison and the much maligned Bobby are the 2 standout players so far this season.

13.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 13:58:11
The context is a poor start to the season though Ed, a pattern that’s developing?
It’s not a one-off where we can just say that the opposition played well.

{Ed001's Note - I get what you are saying, but that doesn't mean Brighton never played a full part in the game. There were 2 teams out on that pitch and they could easily have sat back and looked to defend for 90 minutes and then the game is totally different.}

14.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 14:04:19
So you think it’s completely okay yesterdays performance? We should be satisfied with conceding 3 terrible goals and losing more ground at the top? Sorry but my expectations are a little bit higher than that, no offence.

{Ed001's Note - did anyone say that? This is the problem with people on here, they twist everything to try and pretend they are right to only whine rather than put forth a balanced opinion. I am done, pointless this is. Whine away, mummy will be along later to put your toys away I am sure, but don't bother me again.}

15.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 14:20:31
Ed01, I won't get upset at you pointing anything out, in hindsight I should have firstly pointed out that Brighton were excellent and are always a great team to watch.
Furthermore, I have certainly stepped back and thought before posting, which is why it was my first post this season and not a knee jerk reaction to only the Brighton game.
Whilst I accept there are some ridiculous OTT posts on here, there are also sensible posts from knowledgable fans who know there are numerous issues with the team at present. The scorelines we have been on the end of recently is evidence of problems.

{Ed001's Note - and I get that, but just pointing out one side of everything is not worth bothering with. That just becomes whines and it is so tedious to read the same thing over and over.}

16.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 14:21:52
It’s not balanced when you aren’t allowing people to have a separate opinion to yours. Also, I asked a question that was are you satisfied with yesterdays result?

But hey I’m apparently the one ‘twisting things’. Carry on throwing your weight about because your an editor.

Also, what has my mother got to do with this? She passed away some years ago so she won’t be along to put my toys away. Ta for that reminder though.

{Ed001's Note - are your posts being deleted? No, so how am I not allowing you to have an opinion? Sometimes I just give up, people like you whine whenever anyone disagrees and claim that your opinion is not being allowed because someone is replying to it! It is embarrassing. This is why I don't bother with this site, too many babies who can't take anyone disagreeing with them because only they are allowed an opinion and anyone disagreeing is stopping them having one.

It obviously escaped your notice that I was the one asked for my opinion, not you. So when you whine about no one allowed a separate opinion, you might want to remember you were the one throwing the fit because you disagreed with what I answered in reply to being asked my opinion. The only person whose opinion is being shut down is mine because you disagree with it.

I have answered that already, I am just not a spoilt child throwing my toys around because the result wasn't the one I wanted.

As for the rest, throwing my weight around? If I was doing that I would be deleting your posts.

As for the end bit, I don't believe a word you said, sorry. I don't know you and you could easily be trying to play for sympathy. This is the internet, I have no reason to trust you.}

17.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 14:33:17
Good post Greenflash. I give Brighton full credit for how they played, as I did last season when it was 2-2 and they could easily have beaten us then. But last season was a blip, yesterday's result isn't a blip it's symptomatic of how we've been all season which is a major worry. I've cherished the last few seasons because I knew it wouldn't last forever, but I fear the good times are over. I hope I'm wrong.

18.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 15:37:52
Come on chaps, it's only a game ?.

19.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 15:42:46
Perhaps it is confidence. Confidence in what they’re being asked to do.

20.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 20:05:31
Just to say that it’s great to have Ed001 opinion on the state of play.
A good dose of common sense.
We all get frustrated when we don’t win but let’s not turn into Mancs! We have to suck it up and move on to the next game.
Don’t turn on the players or the coaches. Give them more support than before and together we will turn it around.

21.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 20:40:35
Greenflash, read my post again and this time, very slowly where I agreed with the Ed that Matip is not as good as people think he is overall and esp my final statement where I say Matip has been poor this season BUT the same can be said about 90% of the team right now. How is that scapegoating? Where have I scapegoated Matip? I’ll wait.

22.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 20:44:47
Klopps substitutions at 3-2 cost us the game Milner was once again absolutely shocking. They stopped playing to hold on to the result and it didn’t work. I do understand why people are upset at the minute though as we seem to be throwing most games away by conceding early. Then we spend the rest of the game battling to come from behind. Our defence is very frail at the minute and my Nan could score against us. What where Milner and Dias doing at the back post for trossards 3rd goal quite unbelievable. Just hope City give out a mauling today to improve my mood.

23.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 21:02:18
We took our foot off the gas by bringing Milner on. It’s beyond a joke how Klopp has decided to utilise the 5-sub rule to get Milner on to replace one of the full backs. He looked at Trossard before the ball even came over and decided to stand 12 yards off him.

24.) 02 Oct 2022
02 Oct 2022 21:58:42
Olired, I suggest that you read your second paragraph very slowly, as I do not need to read it again.
You make it perfectly clear, that after the Brighton game, you now have all the evidence to support Ed01's apparent point that Matip is crap.
There is no need to act so superior in how you reply to other posters either.