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26 Aug 2023 15:17:57
Eds- do you think Liverpool will still try to sign someone before the transfer window shuts. Starting to feel like no-one else is coming. It does worry me for the reason ahead re squad depth.

HessleRedTom1980

{Ed002's Note - Yes, as I have already answered repeatedly.}


1.) 26 Aug 2023 16:27:23
Thanks Ed02.


2.) 26 Aug 2023 21:00:44
Jessie, if we try and fail, will you consider that not trying?


3.) 26 Aug 2023 21:31:54
We’ve got to sign someone we’ve got 2 cracking players in, let’s get another ball winner in and let’s go all out for the league. Don’t mess it up now boys final pieces of the jigsaw. Klopp must demand this!


4.) 26 Aug 2023 22:35:20
I'm resigned to sitting back and watching all the new players this season find their feet, gel and the team experience a few highs and lows along the way. The thought of us challenging for the top honours hasn't crossed my mind as its likely to be a transitional season. I don't see it all clicking and working instantly as you hope. I'm just a realist I suppose.


5.) 26 Aug 2023 22:59:31
How many years do you want it to be transitional for, we are Liverpool we should go for titles, what’s the use of going in half hearted. Go and get Paulinha from Fulham and give it a good crack. Up the reds.


6.) 26 Aug 2023 23:36:32
I don’t understand all the posters who say transition, we need time etc. Do you not understand that for this squad it has to be now!

As many have said we are 2 quality signings from challenging for the title. City are weaker, it’s there to be shot at. Next year we will likely lose Salah and then the same posters will scream transition, patience. We still have Allison, Robbo, Trent, VVD, Salah, 2 great new signings. In addition the best manager we can get so no, don’t bloody wait FSG it’s now or never for you.


7.) 27 Aug 2023 00:06:35
@Lee72 - I assume you were asleep for thirty odd years from 1989 onwards. Saying ‘we are Liverpool’ sounds good but means nothing. We don’t have a right to win anything. We go out and earn it.


8.) 27 Aug 2023 00:09:23
Exactly, we must strike while the irons hot. Been watching the reds since 77 and we have always been positive believing we are the best. We have got a decent squad of players we just need to finish it off with 1 or 2 additions to give it a good go. Why wait until next season or the season after it’s not the Liverpool way.


9.) 27 Aug 2023 02:46:30
Not to harp on but ‘transitional’ is another of the buzz words that tends to mean nothing these days, but it sounds ‘informed so gets used.

Take the midfield - we got rid of Keita, Ox, Millie and Arthur. We (unplanned) sold Fabs and Hendo and we loaned out Carvalho. 7 out

We have brought Macca, Dom and Endo (how often does a surname also sound like a nickname? ) 3 in.

You could call it a transition or you could call it natural change. As an optimist you might even refer to it as good business. When all’s said and done it actually doesn’t matter what you call it, you just have to get on with it and support the club.


10.) 27 Aug 2023 08:11:20
How many times in the last 30 years have we really challenged for a title? Maybe 5 or 6 times. We have a good chance now, don’t bloody waste it.


11.) 27 Aug 2023 08:23:16
Klopp says we are ‘reloaded’. I’d argue we are half-cocked. 2 more decent signings away from really challenging for the title. Please get it done this week LFC. Rabbits out of hats time.


12.) 27 Aug 2023 09:16:09
Do or do not…. there is no try.


13.) 27 Aug 2023 10:48:54
Was going to say the exact same thing about the whole "We are LFC. We should be going for titls" schstick which means sweet nothing considering the history this club has in the PL. All that talk is just chest-beating stuff that has no basis in reality.

Now regarding us and the title this season, I wlould be shocked (and happy, ofc) should we mount a title challenge cos we are simply not ready for it, IMO esp. if we are still short a player or 2 and the system we are trying to play has that many concerns with it. People can spout all the "we are LFC going for titles" schstick, none of that dust has any impact on the pitch, which is where games are won and lost. Let's wait and see how the window and the season pans out first.

Oh and as for @Ron's comment saying that "Do or Do not. There is no try", that make no sense. Before you "Do", you actually have to try to "Do". And you can "Try", then "Do" your best and still fail. Life is a bit more complicated that than that, Ron.


14.) 27 Aug 2023 13:19:24
Lee72 "Strike while the iron is hot"?
The iron hasn't been cooler since before Klopp took over!
We will have an almost entirely new midfield this season and that's a lot of moving parts that need to work each other out. They are all fantastic players but even Firmino took a season or so to show his best form. Give the lads some time.


 

 

03 Jul 2023 18:21:10
Are Liverpool out of the running for Van see Ven (if we ever were) - as it looks like Spurs are in the driving seat there. Looks like our attention is now on Lavia, another signing I like as would be a challenge to both Fabinho and Bajcetic. I imagine Thiago may make way should a Saudi offer come in that makes sense.

HessleRedTom1980

{Ed002's Note - Micky van de Ven (CB) Dortmund and Arsenal spoke with Wolfsburg in January and were told he will be agreeing a new contract which he did in March. Liverpool and Manchester City were at a game against Dortmund in November - I had assumed to watch JB but van der Ven scored that day. Team Mino after agreeing a new deal so a sale this summer seems unlikely still but Schmadtke knows the player and knows Wolfsburg would welcome a significant profit on what they paid, so they may now press. Sprurs have declared an interest and will look to making an attractive offer as they seek a couple of CBs. Bayern Munich will look to an offer if Wolfsburg put him up for sale but know he could be priced out of a move. Moritz Jenz is not his replacement.}


1.) 03 Jul 2023 20:08:18
Thanks very much Ed02. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.


2.) 03 Jul 2023 20:54:46
Spurs have agreed a deal, so it looks like he was not our priority target. There is no way he'd choose them over us if there was a choice.


3.) 04 Jul 2023 14:50:04
SolidState, don't kid yourself. Szobo rejected Newcastle with CL footie to sign for us. So clearly, there is a way. At Spurs, he will start. At LFC, he won't and as a young player, it sometimes comes down to that.


 

 

02 Jul 2023 11:53:44
Eds - is it between Lavia and Thuram now for the DM and 3rd midfielder we are looking at.

Any developments on the CBs we are looking at?

HessleRedTom1980

{Ed002's Note - (1) Not as far as I know. (2) Schuurs looks unlikely now. Antonio Silva looks close to impossible. Evan N'Dicka is a no. Goncalo Inacio looks very difficult. Josko Gvardiol is a no. Kilman is likely heading elsewhere. Pavard is possible but expensive. Micky van de Ven is in talks to move elsewhere. Jurrien Timber is moving elsewhere.}


1.) 02 Jul 2023 12:18:11
CB definitely looks like the trickier one at the moment. Midfielders there are more available options. it seems anyway.


2.) 02 Jul 2023 12:21:44
There's still time for Big Jorg to get that apology into Sporting.


3.) 02 Jul 2023 12:29:35
No word on Colwill, Hincape or this Slovakian dude?


4.) 02 Jul 2023 12:56:50
Last season no midfielders were the right fit and this summer there’s loads.

Looks like it’s centre half’s that aren’t the right fit this time round.


5.) 02 Jul 2023 14:27:13
How would Fab be rated as a CB option by anyone who really knows their football?


6.) 02 Jul 2023 16:10:37
SolidState, my uneducated opinion is I think he'd be technically sound as a CB but too slow for our high line which would make him a liability.

I think we really need fresh blood at CB to add proper competition to VVD and Konate. I don't think Matip and Gomez are pushing for a start quality-wise.

Someone quick would be close to a must in my opinion.


7.) 02 Jul 2023 16:45:42
Gregarious-A big season ahead for Fab then. He has to find his best form, and play less, which will require a dedicated 6 to be brought in (imo) .
He was one of the best not so long ago. I hope he has a last dance.


8.) 02 Jul 2023 17:03:12
Thanks Ed02 as ever. Are we right to assume we are still looking to acquire one more midfielder and a CB if we can actually find one that works for us. Understand many of the people we looked at are no longer available or very difficult.

{Ed002's Note - Yes I believe so and perhaps a GK still.}


9.) 02 Jul 2023 19:14:20
Is this a gk cb type player.


10.) 02 Jul 2023 18:45:33
Great info as usual Ed. It looks like a great summer for us, although the CB issue is going to be difficult to resolve. Even with the world's best midfield, our defence was a mess last year, and heavily reliant on Konate's fitness.

But I suppose we have to be grateful for whatever we get as the club are obviously bringing in some great talent.

{Ed002's Note - The world's best midfield?)


11.) 02 Jul 2023 23:29:59
I think Shabby is referring to it not mattering how good our midfield might be, the defence was pretty rubbish and no midfield can cover over that many cracks, despite that being the common rhetoric on here as it’s easier than daring to say VVD has been poor.
I tend to agree with him. Defence is the major issue for me so I hope VVD and Gomez get back to form and perhaps Sepp make the step up.


12.) 03 Jul 2023 02:20:50
If we play with the ‘inverted double pivot fullback hokey-cokey’ formation we will have Diaz tracking back on the left, Trent stepping up on the right with Mac and Dom stepping back to help Fabs - that will give Ibou, VVD and Robbo more than enough time to store their deck chairs and have a cuppa before any attack becomes a threat.

On a sensible note when we moved to the inverted fb style at the back end of last season we seemed to stop leaking goals, apart from the friendly kick about with Southampton when everyone seemed to have clocked off for their summer hols.


13.) 03 Jul 2023 03:44:29
Crazy how we had Fab and Hendo playing at CB a few seasons ago.


14.) 03 Jul 2023 04:05:38
SolidState, the added midfield reinforcements so far will go a long way to help defensively in my opinion.

Signing a DM would be ideal, of course, but if we don't, having Mac A as a box-to-box and Dom in a similar position or more AM, should help whoever plays holding (Fab, Baj, Hendo) .

The 2 new guys seem to have unlimited energy from what I've seen and both are extremely well-rounded players.


 

 

24 Jun 2023 15:41:35
Can I ask the Ed’s why Liverpool’s transfer budget has not kept pace with the market, we are seeing Chelsea, Arsenal and City spend vast sums of money on multiple players.

Not sure what our owners expect us to do when they cannot fund what is needed to secure some of the best/ better players. It’s very frustrating as a fan of 35+ years. I really would like FSG to sell to an owner who can allow us to keep pace. Klopp has generally been a miracle worker though I do think questions need to be asked about his own performance and inability to sign midfielders last summer. I make no apologies for wanting the team to win things rather than struggle to make the top 4 year on year.

HessleRedTom1980

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any "budget" as such. The owners have provided funds as required but the reality is all of the very expensive players that people desire are wanted by other cubs as well. The targets this summer seem reasonable. They are dropping away as other clubs become involved, or where clubs do not wish to do business with Liverpool, or players want to move elsewhere.}


1.) 24 Jun 2023 17:06:57
I for one am happy with the way FSG have done things, remembering where we was when they came in with the financial difficulties and so on. We now have the improvements to the stadium the new training complex, Melwood is back as well. Along with bringing in Klopp and all our success since

There’s many clubs that haven enjoyed no where near what we have these previous years and would envy our position, then on the other side you have the teams trying to dominate and in my mind at least not doing it the right way

Our club is Stable, under no investigations, well within FFP and looking to buy the right players for the club now and for the future and not plugging holes with short term expensive quick fixes

Honours should be a fight, a battle hard won, that’s where the satisfaction is. Simply thinking we should just spend our way to glory is neither satisfying or very rewarding. I’d much rather to be “in amongst it” than “expected to win it” then when you do, and we will again, it’s all the more joyous.


2.) 24 Jun 2023 17:33:00
That means we can only afford players who ONLY want to play for Liverpool come what may. ALL THE BEST!

{Ed002's Note - I thought all players are Liverpool supporters - it is what I am constantly being told.}


3.) 24 Jun 2023 17:57:06
Manorbourne, while they've done a lot of good they are not putting their hands in their pockets half enough, even all the infrastructure improvements you've mentioned have been funded by loans put on the club. I'm fine with that but they don't do enough just the bare minimum maybe we'd have more than 1 league title in 30 years. Arsenal who've spent 6/ 7 years out of the cl but are still outstanding us massively. Most fans don't want to see massive spends every summer but they want to see more from fsg, a lot more ambition. We should be in for the likes of Bellingham or rice if their the players klopp wants not running away when the price goes up.


4.) 24 Jun 2023 18:14:52
I hear you mate, but everything we’ve enjoyed is down to the way the club is run and the decisions that have been made, of which there haven’t been many bad ones

If you was FSG looking at from where it was when they took over, compare to now with the infrastructure, trophies in the cabinet and ultimately the saleable value of the club, from a business point of view, and for FSG, it’s been a massive success.


5.) 24 Jun 2023 19:16:32
I really don’t think we’ve been shy of investing in the squad of late: Nunez, Diaz, Mac Allister and Gakpo all high profile signings - and our wage bill is big. Rather than the amount we spend, the problem has been with our overall transfer strategy. We are now playing catch up after the recruitment department failed to sign any midfielders apart from Thiago over a series of seasons. It’s just not feasible, though, for us to financially compete with state owned clubs. But I do agree to the comparison with Arsenal: I just don’t understand where their money is coming from? They had so many problematic players on huge wages, not notable sales (I think? ), and the debt from the stadium.


6.) 24 Jun 2023 19:16:28
{Ed002's Note - I thought all players are Liverpool supporters - it is what I am constantly being told. }
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Ed002: I think someone is teasing you on twatter :-D.


7.) 24 Jun 2023 19:54:24
Manorbourne - they have been good owners but they are not able to compete and I think for the benefit of the club they should look to sell to an owner prepared to provide more funding for transfers. I accept we have spent a bit in the last 12 months but we are missing out on top tier players. We really should have gone for Bellingham for example.


8.) 24 Jun 2023 19:59:38
Some fans won't be happy until we go down the road that Leed's a few years back.
Remember, it's only a game. ;)


9.) 24 Jun 2023 21:44:15
I'd be dissapointed if top players in positions we badly need moved this summer and we didn't go for any of them eg Rice Caicedo Gvardiol. Im not sure what our ambition is. Feels like we've gone from "mentality monsters" to thinking we can't compete with City anyway so why waste money trying. I think when Klopp leaves we'll regret not giving him the tools to win more.


10.) 24 Jun 2023 22:06:41
OneKiss - we do things differently, remember.


11.) 24 Jun 2023 22:21:03
Exactly, One Kiss. This was the summer to have really gone for it. Maybe we will still sign a few players but the top tier players are moving elsewhere. I do think MacAllister was a great signing.


12.) 24 Jun 2023 22:38:31
The transfer window has been open for all of 10 days and we already have Mac Allister in. I think people just need to calm down a little.


13.) 24 Jun 2023 22:43:35
IF the transfer budget has not kept pace with the market (pure speculation) then the reason should be obvious:

Man City, Newcastle, PSG and Chelsea all have wealthier owners who find ways to invest a lot of money in the team. Then you have Real Madrid.

Responsible ownership depends on the club operating within its means. I’m satisfied FSG are responsible owners.


14.) 24 Jun 2023 23:02:40
'Struggle to make top four year on year' is the sentence that gets me.

I don't mind fans saying they are ambitious and wanting FSGout. But the complete amnesia about where we were before FSG, and what they have achieved really unsettles me.


15.) 24 Jun 2023 23:25:01
Very disappointing we didn't get 1 out of Bellingham, rice or caicedo. considering how well we have done in recent years we shouldve been well capable of signing 1 of them . needed 1 of them at least i feel to challenge city.

{Ed002's Note - So you are upset at Liverpool not signing players they had no interest in? Wow.}


16.) 25 Jun 2023 00:00:30
I continue to find it odd that people seem to think that the only thing the club needs money for is transfer fees and that the only way to secure revenue is by winning cups. It would be brilliant if it were that simple. It’s similar with the constant questions about external investors putting money into the club seemingly not understanding what it means that the club is an asset owned by FSG.

Look at Arsenal, talking about buying Rice, Havertz and Timber and spending £ 200m. I say good luck to them. They have built steadily since financing the building of the new stadium, they were limited in what they could do in the transfer market and, in general terms, took the revenue generated from the ne w stadium to pay off debt. Having broken the back of what they owed they are now in a position to spend more on players.

Now take us - two massive stadium redevelopments and a brand new training complex and (nice touch from the owners which largely went unrecognised) the repurchase of Melwood - there are parallels with Arsenal. When we open up the new stand we will increase our revenue (at least potentially) and our financial position will be stronger. A couple more signings this window to keep us in the mix for the next couple of seasons - not world domination but an acceptable step in the right direction for our medium to long term position.


17.) 25 Jun 2023 00:29:29
WDW3 I had that same opinion pretty much wrote out earlier but thought the post would be too long and removed, without FSG people forget where we might have been now and with the infrastructure spend and increased revenues they are protecting our future. Sound business planning in my mind.


18.) 25 Jun 2023 00:18:51
And the job is complete. We have been brainwashed into accepting that we are poorer than Arsenal.


19.) 25 Jun 2023 02:14:07
@FPF, To be honest, I’m not sure what you are talking about.

Nobody - least of all me - has said that “we are poorer than Arsenal”. I suspect that you might mean that we don’t have as much ‘money to spend’ in this window as Arsenal? If so, you are possibly correct but, again, and without trying to mess with your mind, that doesn’t actually mean that we won’t spend more than them.

The point I was making is that Arsenal took the hit in terms of paying the costs for infrastructure updates a couple of years back that we are currently going through now. The impact to their revenue is easing, out perhaps not so yet. I’m not sure how you get from there to me being ‘brainwashed’ to be honest.


20.) 25 Jun 2023 04:23:33
‘Out perhaps’ should have read ‘ours perhaps’.


21.) 25 Jun 2023 05:20:37
The club should pay people who can find and train the next Bellingham, Rice or Caicedo.

Not spend 100m on the current ones. Which anyone can do. In fact, I'll do it for free. Tell them to contact me.


22.) 25 Jun 2023 08:45:56
You will never be happy with your own house if you’re constantly looking over the fence at the neighbours next door.

Our top ten biggest signings range from around £35 to £85 million ish, have all come in the last 8 years and there's a big chunk in the last three/ five.

In their respective history’s (using trans market figures for consistency) in respect of £50 million or more signings-

Liverpool - 4
City - 14
United - 12
Chelsea - 15
Arsenal - 6
Spurs - 3
Newcastle - 1

As for £30-£50 million signings:

Liverpool - 14
City - 14
United - 19
Chelsea - 23
Arsenal - 9
Spurs - 10
Newcastle - 5

All but two of those Liverpool signings have come in FSGs ownership.

We can’t compete with City or Chelsea spending wise and City’s considerable FFP charges highlight theirs haven’t always been legal. For too long United gained a commercial advantage over everybody and that gap is still being bridged. So if you want to look at our failings economically you need to go way further back than FSG to start that conversation.

there are a handful of owners worldwide who are happy to just throw money at a project to win silverware. We don’t. You could also blow money all over the shop but let your stadium / training facilities fall well behind the curve (like United have) . We haven’t.

The reality apart from City/ Chelsea/ United (who all have unique circumstances) is we have consistently spent as much if not more than our other rivals. Our wage bill is also around that mark.

That’s not being an FSG apologist - thems just the facts. FSG have done some good things and some very bad things but the idea they have stopped us being competitive is a myth.

{Ed025's Note - good post that Wassa..


23.) 25 Jun 2023 09:40:45
Good post Wassa.

To tell the truth, I’m happy that we don’t have the money just to buy whoever we want.

What’s the point in trophies if you buy them rather than actually earn the right to win? To me, it’s great to see teams spend £ 600m in less than a year and finish 12th. Perhaps if they aimed at building a team rather than just bought the most expensive individuals available they would eventually earn the term Champions.

Same goes for City - they have won the League a lot in recent years but I wouldn’t necessarily refer to them as Champions.


24.) 25 Jun 2023 09:49:07
But with all the spending by City and the charges re FFP will anything actually come of it? A fine? Will they retain all their trophys and will the record books show they dominated the PL in recent years winning 5 out of the last 6 titles?
It's hard to see anything bar a fine happening and if that's the case then hard to really see us winning another title when City and Chelsea and maybe Newcastle soon can buy 14 or more players over the 50million value. Klopp is great for the club and FSG spend money but you would wonder is Klopp envious of Peps budget, or Reals or PSG's and even Newcastles. He's still a young man and I'm sure Real, City, PSG and Newcastle would all pay handsomely to have him as their boss, time will tell if his head gets turned and he decides he'd like to play on a level playing field with the big spenders.


25.) 25 Jun 2023 08:48:01
Hello ed2.on the 3 playerers named i think if we weren't interested it due to the price of them, as it an area we badly need top level players of which al 3 are imo. Weve Been in 3 out of last 5 champ league finals and if can't afford these players now i can't see us ever been under currebt ownership.


26.) 25 Jun 2023 11:13:28
The club pumps out “we’re poor” propaganda to play the recruitment market and half the fanbase uses it to contort themselves to wear a “I prefer it this way anyway”. It’s quite the thing to see.


27.) 25 Jun 2023 11:20:31
FSG are good owners but can't compete? We need to compete for top 4 year on year? And my personal favourite - they don't dip I their own pockets enough.

Just make me laugh. At some point, ya'll meed to recognize were not London Paris, Madrid. and there actually sint anything wrong with how we do things.


28.) 25 Jun 2023 11:21:57
Digger - can you not see the irony I your own post? That we've made 3 of rhe last 5 finals is a testament to how we do things.


29.) 25 Jun 2023 11:50:14
I don’t think my original post was not about them not being responsible owners, just the feeling that we are being left behind. Their model probably is no longer going to be able to take us forward. Just being honest.


30.) 25 Jun 2023 12:31:25
Andy Robertson cost £7m can you name a better left back over the past 5 years in Europe? Price tags are irrelevant liverpool could’ve got Bellingham from Birmingham same as dortmund did. They didn’t but there will be another Bellingham out there another Robertson. There are few individuals who are above the rest. Salah was mid table can’t get into chelsea team as was de bruyne. It’s the manager the squad and the right attitude. I prefer to see Trent go cm Elliot and Jones step up another level. Mcallister and by the sounds of it thruam. Hopefully Nunez can kick on with salah and Diaz. Need cb cover konate still looks clumsy to me. Squad is quite bloated even with the departures. Firmino big loss would still be first team in my eyes. Tough season behind them they’ve got to earn the right to play again. I think Thuram and a cb though I’d like to see sepp van de berg get a look in.


31.) 25 Jun 2023 13:09:32
Fanbase very clearly divided on the FSG issue. Half would prefer richer owners, and most of this group despise FSG. Some even make up rumours about them. Fans perceive FSG as being unambitious and greedy. They think FSG just want to get paid at the end of all this.

The other half of the fanbase want to see Liverpool grow in strength financially by expanding the stadium and pushing revenue streams to their limit. That way - in a few years, we will be able to compete with Utd but be self sustainable.

This second model will take time. But I think FSG are doing a good job of getting there.


32.) 25 Jun 2023 14:48:31
Spot on, Wassa-lfc. That is a big problemm with many in our fan base esp. the FSG outers. They keep judging our club based on what other clubs do or spend without knowing a single thing bout how those clubs are run, what financial hits they are or have been taking in the past to get to spend more or just how much debt to asset ratio they have. It really does my head in.

Look at Arsenal. They have been able to out spend us cos they have paid off their stadium and most importantly, they have lowered their wage bill by a lot which helps them sign big players on big wages whereas we are essentially where they were back then, paying for the infratstructure and increasing our wage bill cos HELLO? We have been winning and to do that, we had to pay the wages our big players earned, something these same people complained about in the past.

As for looking for richer owners than FSG, there are only two ways to do this right now, IMO. Either we go and join the State ownership model or go do a Todd Boehly type thing. That's it. Me personally, I wan neither.


33.) 25 Jun 2023 16:19:06
We have outgrown FSG. They know it. We are for sale.

This is not a call for state ownership or sugar daddies. It's just a fact.

The football landscape is changing. Even the wealthiest owners are going with the multi-club model to allow them to mitigate the hyper-inflation of transfer fees in the future (as well as make the finances opaque) .

FSG could/ should follow this model. If not, sell to someone who will as the club's value has now peaked and we need to shift the model to remain competitive.

PS 14 clubs in the PL have ownership that are participating in more than one club.


34.) 25 Jun 2023 18:39:03
All FSG is bare minimum someone said. Bare minimum. I bet you think scraping by until next pay day is only 1 take away this week.

Enhancing the playing squad, training ground, stadium, commercial assets and general success of the team can not be cobsidered bare minimum.

Man United have left Old Trafford to rot under the Glazers, but have invested heavily in their squad, that is still not bare minimum.

Newcastle were carried along with little hope by Mike Ashley for years before he sold, that was closer to bare minimum but he still bought various players.

Southampton have spent the last decade selling their best players and not reinvesting the money very well, that may still be considered better than bare minimum.

Bare minimum is Venky's taking over Blackburn and not knowing they could be relegated.

Scraping by to payday for me was beans on toast every day, that was bare minimum, so maybe my reality is a little different but I really am fed up of the whole 'FSG haven't done anything for us' thought process, its nuts.


35.) 26 Jun 2023 01:37:25
When did FSG say we are poor? I missed that bit.


36.) 26 Jun 2023 15:28:07
Not sure why my FSG view point isn't being put up, I have been probably the most vocal on them for a long time.

{Ed002's Note - Because it is tiresome and repetitive.}


37.) 26 Jun 2023 20:58:29
WDW3, you missed it cos it never happened, of course. We seem to have a lot of mind-readers out there who have this unique "ability" of being able to know what FSG is thinking or saying even tho, they don't know them personally nor do they know what they say cos they don't even speak in the media nor make statements at all.

Hence, these people make stuff up about them and then post it as fact about what J. Henry and his bros. said or did whereas they couldn't post you the link of their actual quotes . Weird, isn't it?


 

 

24 Jun 2023 15:35:26
Ed’s - who are we most likely to purchase out of Veiga, Thuram and Kone? Or anyone else in the mix? Gravenberch?

Any updates on the centre back search or other targets?

HessleRedTom1980

{Ed002's Note - I cannot really answer "most likely" questions but I have explained previously that Thuram would be the most suitable player for Liverpool in my view, but there does remain interest from Newcastle and the player wants PSG but they have no interest at this time.

The only CB change I can think of is another side now talking with Micky van de Ven.}


1.) 24 Jun 2023 17:34:58
Ed2. Are you referring to Crystal Palace talking to Micky Van De Ven?

{Ed002's Note - No. Spurs.}


2.) 24 Jun 2023 20:08:56
My cousin told me, that his only uncle told him, that his son said we are getting Micky Van next week.
I agreed.


3.) 24 Jun 2023 20:50:15
Ed2. I got Micky and Schuurs mixed up. Palace are apparently after Schuurs. Thanks for sharing the info on Micky and Spurs though. I know you’re not one for rating players, although you sometimes do. What are your thoughts on Micky as a player? Is he well thought of by coaches or scouts etc? Think Micky and Schuurs would be good signings for left and right side of defence. But interest elsewhere in both it seems and there has been no indication I know if that we are even looking to bring in two defenders.

{Ed002's Note - When would the get a game is the question.}


4.) 24 Jun 2023 21:52:20
City had Walker Stones Akanji Dias Laporte Ake all playing CB at times. Walker and Laporte probably be replaced by Gvardiol. We've only got Konate who struggles win injuries and a declining VVD who youd want to play really. Id sell Matip Gomez and Phillips then replace with 2 top young CBs and rotate them all. We don't seem to like to sell players though we seem happy to let them not perform and then lose them for free Keita Milner Ox Origi Lallana all recently. Fab Hendo Matip all seem to be going the same direction. Horrible unsustainable model.


5.) 24 Jun 2023 22:13:47
Ed2. It would only work if Gomez and Matip were to be sold, which I feel they should be. Simply down to percentage of games they are unavailable due to injuries and for raising funds and reducing the wage bill. I have a feeling Gomez staying though but you know better than me if there are any plans to sell him. Konate is a top talent just needs to avoid injury. Problem is he will most likely miss a chunk of games per season, which leaves us with Gomez and Matip who are as equally injury prone. As for Robertson is not suited to a back 3 in my opinion. He is much better in a back four. That was my thinking behind pushing for two defenders in Micky and another, with the other being Schuurs.

{Ed002's Note - I had no idea Klopp is changing the formation.}


6.) 25 Jun 2023 02:03:08
Ed2, I think you miss understood me. I was saying we have now switched to 3 at the back, which Klopp played for the last 10 games or so games of last season. And I assume he will continue with this formation in the upcoming campaign. What I was saying was Robertson didn’t suit the change in formation, which is not to say he can’t adapt. But bringing in a left sided defender in say Micky would see a player that would be better suited to the left side of the back 3.


 

 

 

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15 Aug 2023 09:00:21
The whole club need to wake up and get their house in order, Klopp included. All this stems from not investing when we were at the top, bad squad management and letting a team get old together.

HessleRedTom1980

1.) 15 Aug 2023 09:55:23
It’s terrible this HRT. As soon as we string a few bad results together it’s going to turn very Sour mate.


2.) 15 Aug 2023 10:05:39
I get the feeling klopp will be the architect of his own downfall .
I feel ljinders has a lot to answer for but klopp being a loyal man I can’t see him going after a new coach . He is too egotistical (most top managers are)

For the first time in klopps reign I am doubting his ability to get us out of this il be honest it pains me to say it but this path down the inverted full back role is one that is going to make us worse than better as we don’t have the personnel to master it .

The run we put on end of the season has convinced him it’s the way to go but I feel as if a return of players and pick up in form contributed as much of not more than tactics and formation .

I will gladly be wrong on this and hope it works out but it’s painful watching us at times and Chelsea if they had a better strike force would of beat us Sunday no doubt about it.


3.) 15 Aug 2023 11:47:18
Most of us know that we have investment issues. We'd all like us to spend more and more often.
It's still my club though and I won't look at another.
But I do like what Brighton are doing ?.


4.) 15 Aug 2023 11:49:23
DHFC, I agree that the system is a prob. cos really, we do not have the players to play it and Klopp keeps persisting with it. As for Lijnders, the guy is absolutely nothing without Klopp. He went on his own and struggled badly and Klopp was happy to take him back so his clout is linked to Klopp and nothing more, IMO.

As for us being painful to watch, I think that's a bit OTT. I saw the game last night and frankly, I thought both teams looked vulnerable in transition whenever each lost the ball. Both had their chances to win the game and both teams made defensive mistakes that could have cost them. Can we play better? Of course and so can they. Just my opinion.


5.) 15 Aug 2023 12:01:44
I'll happily be wrong about the hybrid system. But think we'll be proven correct due to it being so reliant on almost perfect execution in possession and transition. Feels that more often than not it will get exposed.


6.) 15 Aug 2023 12:28:33
As annoying as the the last few weeks have been some of you need to pull yourselves together. We are one or two players from an OUTSTANDING squad and first eleven. Give your heads a wobble we’re in a great position.
Yes we have been pants at the last two transfer deals but for the love of the baby Jesus and the little donkey we’re all good ?.


7.) 15 aug 2023 14:25:57
whos the 2 players yo make us outstanding?


 

 

12 Aug 2023 22:40:55
Was there a reason we didn’t go for Gvardiol, just not seen as a priority this year?

HessleRedTom1980

1.) 12 Aug 2023 23:43:31
RTP. Ed has answered this repeatedly.


2.) 13 Aug 2023 07:03:37
Done to death, OP.


3.) 13 Aug 2023 08:35:04
That’s a good reason Oli ?.


 

 

09 Aug 2023 09:46:09
Most frustrating transfer window since the days of Roy Hodgson where we sold Mascherano and brought in Poulsen - one of the worst ever players to put on a red shirt. Hodgson was dealt a bad hand but made it worse for himself with his mediocrity and narrow mindset.

HessleRedTom1980

1.) 09 Aug 2023 10:26:11
Add to that Paul Konchesky. It should serve as reminder of how bad things were and be grateful for what we have now.


2.) 09 Aug 2023 11:15:14
I know, fancy buying a 23 year old World Cup winner and one of the hottest talents in Europe both in positions we desperately needed - what a mess!

That’s the problem with some new posters - are they trolls trying to wind up our fan base or glory hunters who compare us to clubs who have bottomless pits of cash.

Ed2 says we are looking at bringing in at least one more player and I agree. We had preferred targets and they preferred elsewhere. Get over it. Personally I’m looking forward to a few 4-3 wins hiding behind the back of the sofa….


3.) 09 Aug 2023 11:34:38
We finished 6th that year and 5th the year just gone. Hardly much difference.


4.) 09 Aug 2023 11:59:20
Making such comparisons is ludicrous OneKiss.


5.) 09 Aug 2023 12:45:20
Mascherano wanted to leave and forced his way out. We had no cash due to our then-owners and had to literally scrape the bottom of the barrel for players to cover holes. We were a sinking ship back then and all our good players wanted out. I don't think it is comparable to the situation we have now.


6.) 09 Aug 2023 13:43:15
The transfer window hasn't closed yet!
What did some of you do at half time when we were 3-0 in Istanbul?


7.) 09 Aug 2023 14:29:24
@ijj

It’s getting very hard to tell the difference!

I can’t even begin to understand how this window can be as worse a window as that one… bearing in mind we have had summer windows since where we haven’t really signed anyone!

Are people really not happy with Mac Alister and Szoboszlai? I think they’re great additions.


8.) 09 Aug 2023 16:30:16
Rigsby, they walked away spouting the same hyperbolic stuff you just read and went to bed. Only to find out the next morning that we came back from the dead and won Ol’ Big Ears. Just a guess, btw.

With posts like the OP and OneKiss, I wonder how these were holding up when we hadn’t won the title in 30 years and won a League Cup in 13 years from ‘06 to ‘19 when we win Ol’ Big Ears in Madrid.


 

 

07 Aug 2023 20:25:14
I’m puzzled why we didn’t go in for Gvardiol. He’s a generational talent, surely it would have been worth paying for that. We know the defence is a problem area. I know the answer may be around finances, but it still puzzles me why we don’t go for a chap who could play for the club for a decade.

HessleRedTom1980

1.) 07 Aug 2023 20:53:32
Maybe the player wanted CL football. Can’t blame him really.


2.) 07 Aug 2023 20:55:57
I do, he was £80m.


3.) 07 Aug 2023 20:59:17
Imagine our transfer budget if we didn’t have all this prize money and record sponsorship from the last 5 seasons.


4.) 07 Aug 2023 21:09:54
Prize peanuts jk mate.


5.) 07 Aug 2023 22:14:07
It’s Orite. That record Nike deal will kick in soon, along with that mega Investment.


6.) 07 Aug 2023 22:41:55
well, if y'all convince yourselves that it's because we didn't want to spend the money then what is the point in this conversation.


7.) 07 Aug 2023 23:14:22
Because Klopp would have to drop Robertson and he just doesn’t have it in him to drop his favourites. We got very lucky Henderson and Milner wanted to leave. Robertson bombing up and down the line is still good but he’s awful in this current system where he has to tuck in as a 3rd CB.


8.) 08 Aug 2023 00:40:37
The three box three needs to go. We don’t have the players for it and we don’t have the money to buy the players for it.


 

 

19 Jul 2023 18:06:48
Is Liverpool losing the experience if Henderson and Fabinho potentially an act of self sabotage or a new beginning?

HessleRedTom1980

1.) 19 Jul 2023 18:17:19
I think selling Fabinho for the price quoted is great business. Can't say the same about the Henderson transfer.


2.) 19 Jul 2023 18:17:59
An act of self sabotage ?? my good god!


3.) 19 Jul 2023 18:23:04
Clearly both want to go and we’ve never kept hold of players who want to leave in the past.

Both were very good for us in the few seasons we cleaned up on trophies but both were also key factors in our poor performances last season.

Time doesn’t wait for no man so good luck in Saudi and the club moves forward and both are welcome back at Anfield as supporters anytime.


4.) 19 Jul 2023 18:23:20
Isn’t this what everyone wanted end of last season everyone wanted Fabs and Hendo gone? Now it’s happening you think it’s the end of the world.


5.) 19 Jul 2023 18:25:15
I think it’s a sign of how poor squad management has been I’ve the last few years. Kloppites did say he wanted to build again before he goes. This is it. Wish hendo all the best he has been fantastic.


6.) 19 Jul 2023 18:45:01
Would have held out for more from Hendo, I suppose if Saudi team wouldn’t cough up £20 million do you really want an unhappy player in team and would Klopp want someone who wants to leave and not committed.
Issue is we’ve gone into window needing to reinforce the midfield having Ox, Milner and Naby left now we’ve offloaded 3 more hendo, Fabinho and carvalho so that’s 6 out and only 2 in…. more reinforcements is an absolute must and one should be experienced.


7.) 19 Jul 2023 18:46:47
Paranoia, the destroyer.


8.) 19 Jul 2023 18:49:08
Yep, FSG and Klopp have a long history of self sabotage.

Despite this we have won quite a lot under their joint stewardship, but just think what we could have won if we stopped always trying to screw ourselves over.

Maybe next time we should pick real winners as owner and manager rather than this bunch of masochists.


9.) 19 Jul 2023 19:16:50
What Zed said.


10.) 19 Jul 2023 19:28:48
It’s almost certainly a pure fiscal thing.
Get £52 million in cash for two ageing, underperforming players who we’ve had the best years out of, or,
Continue to pay them almost £300,000 a week for the next 2/ 3 years.
So take the £52 and be able in reinvest, or reject it, pay £30 million in wages for players who reasonably are not going to get any better.
I might have missed my calling as an accountant because to me this makes nothing but sense.


11.) 19 Jul 2023 19:45:24
It's good that you did in fact miss your calling. You would have been a disaster at it. Hendo and Fabinho earn £190,000 and £180,000 per week, respectively. That's nowhere near the £300,000 you mentioned (nor the £600,000 per week, for both, if you meant 300K each) .


12.) 19 Jul 2023 20:00:32
ArAy, I took Easy to mean £300k across both of them, so he was, if anything, under-egging it a little.


13.) 19 Jul 2023 20:01:12
OP, where is the act of self sabotage exactly when both players clearly wanted to go and the club got the best deals they could get for both players? Seems like you're doing too much here, mate.


14.) 19 Jul 2023 23:27:24
“Self sabotage” a new business paradigm.


15.) 20 Jul 2023 00:02:01
Losing such huge presences in the dressing room like Milner and Henderson, so quickly, seems like a bad idea in my opinion. Time will tell but I would not of gone about it this way. If Kalvin Phillips is signed then I will double down on this opinion.


16.) 20 Jul 2023 00:59:01
lets lok at our outgoings so far, ox - never fit, nabby - never fit, millie - castigated every game he played on here as being too old and too slow, hendo, apparently legs gone, fab - slower than a london bus. these are what have gone, players that have been under the cosh here for the entirety of last season, that everyone demanded should be moved on/ sold and now its happened they suddenly teveryone saying we shouldn't be doing it. surely if they wasnt up to it last season then no matter who replaces them cannot be worse. my neighbours cat would have better availability than the first 2 alone.


17.) 20 Jul 2023 02:38:40
@OP, out of curiosity, what’s your opinion - you have given both ends of the spectrum as an either / or option but you seem shy of giving your opinion.

Personally I think it’s a good thing that they are going. For me it’s a case of ‘the king is dead, long live the king’. I’m genuinely interested in what our squad will look like in 4 - 6 weeks time (or whenever the window closes) and what our starting line up will be.

I’m also amused by the reactions of certain members of the forum who were of the ‘get rid’ persuasion, right up to the middle of last week ???.


18.) 20 Jul 2023 08:55:52
Cheers Zed, I knew Hendos reported wage was £190,000, I couldn’t be bothered to look up Fabs so undershot it slightly.


 

 

 

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It’s why Ed02 is priceless because the information they kindly give us we would never get anywhere else. Thanks Ed02 and your comments are always read with interest by this poster anyway.

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21 Mar 2024 13:05:18
The Nunez of last season I could see your point a bit Ron but at times he’s been fantastic this season so no you’re way off base and plain wrong.

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26 Jan 2024 17:55:37
What a daft comment, let’s celebrate him. Best manager we’ve had in many years.

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That’s exactly right I’m from Hessle, near Hull.

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I’m from the Hull area. It has its rough parts but I’d encourage anyone to go on an old town pub crawl. Well over a dozen decent pubs plus there’s the marina and Humber st.

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22 Mar 2024 21:49:51
Am I right in thinking it’s 20 years since Arsenal last won the league? It’s getting over the line that their issue which is a mental one rather than a physical one. Whilst it’s been 4 for us a number of players remain from then. I still think City will win it but in my view we should be happy with our season, as done really well with a lot of positives - nearly all signings have done well, some fantastic emerging talent that have hugely stepped up, with pick of the bunch in Bradley.

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15 Mar 2024 20:06:52
11 years since Utd won the title, never thought I’d be saying that a few years ago. Their fans are quiet these days that’s for sure! Long may it continue.

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Drogba was a brilliant striker in his prime and I would have loved him at Liverpool.

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Whilst I see the restructure as positive what I don’t want them to do is appoint a “yes” person as manager. Vital that they get a strong manager in with their own views and vision too.

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It was a penalty. End of story.

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