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31 May 2022 12:43:15
Ed002, just seen a rumour that PSG might be interested in Keita, any legs to it or would his past indiscretions rule out a move anyway?
{Ed002's Note - It seems unlikely to me but their new DoF is working hard to refine their targets.}
1.) 31 May 2022 13:39:27
Is that new DoF Mbappe, Ed002?
2.) 31 May 2022 13:53:07
Please be true. He is ideal for the French league.
3.) 31 May 2022 14:05:43
The new DoF will probably have to run it past Mbappe first lol 😂.
4.) 31 May 2022 14:12:20
Plz be true.
{Ed0666's Note - 2 hopes Bob & no…
21 May 2022 15:39:27
Ed002, sorry if this has been asked already today. It looks like mbappe is staying in Paris, with Haaland at City could this open the door for Salah to get his wish and be back of interest for real?
{Ed002's Note - It is possible but right now it seems unlikely. Real Madrid have other options they have been working on but they have to deal with a balancing act that sees departing wide players and bringing in younger players as they work to keep wages down. They could keep just two of their wingers, add replacements and improve on their striking options and some will argue that might be money better spent.
1.) 21 May 2022 18:01:41
When Real get Edwards and change their MO, it is going to be tough to ever be first choice for any player.
2.) 22 May 2022 01:20:54
I agree Edwards leaving is going to be a huge loss, let's hope his successor learn from him well.
{Ed001's Note - why do people rave about Edwards? What has he done that is so special? He doesn't pick transfer targets, he has ended up having to overpay on every target due to the terms we could offer. The wage bill has risen massively under him and he struggled to offload surplus players due to our wages for fringe players being so high. Not sure what is so special about him that has made Liverpool fans rave so much about him.}
3.) 22 May 2022 08:51:04
Never looked at edwards like that ed1 it doesn’t make him look good at all.
{Ed001's Note - it is not all his fault. He had to overpay for targets as the club was hamstrung with a lack of upfront cash to pay, so had to agree to pay more over the term of payment to get the deals done. But that then meant we had even less cash for the next deal. Hence why we are left paying off lots of deals that are already done, such as for Jota.}
4.) 22 May 2022 12:16:13
Cheers ed1 great answer as always.
{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate. It is a difficult one, he was working with one hand sort of tied behind his back, so difficult to judge him, but what he did was hardly earth shattering. He seems to have rode the Klopp-bandwagon, rather than being a key component of it, imo.}
5.) 22 May 2022 19:10:47
Ed001, I think a lot of people are impressed with the amounts he got for the sale of some of our players - Coutinho, Brad Smith, Jordon Ibe, Dominic Solanke, Rhian Brewster, Mamadou Sakho and others. I agree that some of the purchases from the view of amounts, terms and agents' fees have been quite high.
20 Jul 2021 16:50:50
No space in the 22 for Harry Wilson or Neco, I'm guessing both are nearing moves. No nat either so he may be closer to the door.
1.) 20 Jul 2021 16:59:18
Neither Wilson nor Williams have unpacked their suitcases yet.
2.) 20 Jul 2021 17:21:49
Wilson and Williams only arrived yesterday. Kelleher and Phillips not involved either so are both out the door?
3.) 20 Jul 2021 17:42:26
Karius playing so he's our number 1 now.
4.) 20 Jul 2021 18:40:05
I forgot that they were at the euros so came back late. Its been a long day! Either way I'd still expect wilson to be gone by season start.
5.) 20 Jul 2021 18:01:04
Waste of time even starting the season. 1-1 with weed wacker fc and losing to Stuttgart. If we don't sign Oblak, Pavard, Kante, Mbappe and Haaland among others then we'll never get top 4.
6.) 20 Jul 2021 21:07:25
The sad thing is OMM is that there are probably fans posting pretty much that on Tw@tter and won't be joking either.
7.) 20 Jul 2021 21:43:45
I think you mean ‘people’ rather than ‘fans’ Flash.
8.) 20 Jul 2021 22:05:22
100% Flash. I'd call them idiots though not fans.
9.) 20 Jul 2021 18:01:04
Waste of time even starting the season. 1-1 with weed wacker fc and losing to Stuttgart. If we don't sign Oblak, Pavard, Kante, Mbappe and Haaland among others then we'll never get top 4.
01 Feb 2021 21:32:05
Anything in the minimino to saints rumour ed002?
{Ed002's Note - H was offered to a number of sides.}
16 Sep 2020 11:25:36
So apparently Brewster is off to Shef United, I think this is a great deal for all parties personally.
The lad needs to be playing week in week out for a couple of seasons if he is to hit his potential. We get money in now to invest in players that Klopp feels can help now rather than helping in 3-4 years time.
If it works out we will likely have first refusal, the player may be willing to come back as we have allowed him to leave for his benefit. If it doesn’t we have pocketed some cash for someone that hasn’t developed as hoped at the height of his value.
It is smart business all round in my opinion and if there is a buy back figure it will likely be lower than his perceived value in a few years time. And he is working under wilder who will keep him on the straight and narrow.
I am a huge fan of his but if he stuck around is he even going to make the bench? And that just isn’t good for his development.
{Ed025's Note - your spot on WYred mate..
1.) 16 Sep 2020 11:40:37
Do we have any idea what kind of fee we may be likely to get? What was Liverpools valuation of him?
{Ed025's Note - not at the moment snoots, it will be getting thrashed out as we speak mate..
2.) 16 Sep 2020 11:49:28
Ah, well we Usualy get decent fees, I know it's random but if we could get enough together to bid for patson daka, he looks a good prospect could take game time off our front three I think.
{Ed025's Note - i think if money is available snoots then thiago will be one to be coming in mate..
3.) 16 Sep 2020 11:52:54
We would never buy him back. we need to take that myth away. Let's wish the kid has a stellar career at Sheffield or beyond. At least we aren't making any fake promises to the lad.
4.) 16 Sep 2020 12:08:33
Harry, why wouldn't we buy him back if he proved good enough and there was a position available for him? Truth is none of know what the future holds but do dismiss that we could potentially buy him back seems crazy to me.
5.) 16 Sep 2020 12:08:45
Stop leading us down the garden path ed, I am at me whits end with the thiago buisness.
{Ed025's Note - hes the one jurgen wants mate, i would have thought cover for the front 3 myself but its hard to argue with mr klopp..
6.) 16 Sep 2020 12:28:27
The Lad is good today But he is a proper center forward, something we don't play with. Brewster like Danny Ings is a very good striker. This sale has nothing to do with him needs to prove a thing.
7.) 16 Sep 2020 12:43:44
It’s kinda strange that we let a homegrown out to get Thiago where we are well stocked in midfield unless we are pushing Fab as backup for CB and Gini as CDM.
However, with Brewster going, the cards will be shifting around for movements.
8.) 16 Sep 2020 12:43:53
But harry that's how we play today, in 3-4 years we may have an entirely different system.
9.) 16 Sep 2020 12:54:45
WYred
Sheffield might sell him next summer or maybe in two years, we don't know. Not sure what the clauses are but if there are clauses then the price also decreases. We are not looking at 3-4 years for sure.
10.) 16 Sep 2020 13:30:21
Whilst I wish he stayed, fair enough. If he isn't getting game time and playing every few games for at least 45 mins and starting cup games, I don't blame him. I do think it's a weird transfer as he's HG and looked an absolute baller, played very well for Swansea. I just hope we have a buy back clause in, because if he ends up scoring double digits for SU this season, I'd love him back, we definitely need cover for the front 3, and Ox/ Shaq/ Origi haven't been doing it for me. I would have preferred selling Origi to Villa and keep Brewster, mainly for HG benefit. Oh well, hope he has a great career at SU! Wilder is a good coach and I'm sure he'll do well there.
11.) 16 Sep 2020 19:53:32
Don’t forget about our Japanese pocket rocket! I’d say we are doing well if Brewster leaves and Thiago comes in. Cover for the front three looks like Minamino - ox- Origi- Shaq. That doesn’t look too bad does it? It’s looking possible that Sarr could be added to the mix. That would make a pretty decent window for us!
{Ed025's Note - that cover for the front 3 looks very very weak to me redman, the only one who looks half decent to me would be minamino mate, the other 3 would do well to get a game for rochdale..
12.) 17 Sep 2020 04:22:51
If a deal includes any sort of a buy back that would make him a valuable future option and we get 20 or 25mil income now it can only make sense as it's a risk with very little chance of causing us regret. If you asked me would I prefer thiago in our team for next 2 or 3 years or Brewster I'd 100% say thiago. If the buy back option looks good value compared to his future progression then we could nab a potential bargain when Firmino is no longer our no.9. To receive 20+ for a player yet to play in premier league and only 6months first team involvement at championship level would be silly to turn down. He could either be a solanke or an ings. We would love to have a situation where ings could be re signed at a good price or else be satisfied that we got paid well for solanke and never seek to bring back. Sheffield Utd will know that they can't guarantee to be in a position of strenght in a few years where they could expect to demand much higher fees for him than maybe 30 or 40mil potential buy back fee. The likes of pogba and sancho going on to become so valuable when let go for so little must have frustrated United and city but negotiating with those top clubs made it unlikely they would agree to a buy back where as with sheff Utd it could work out for both parties. Ed are you aware if the likes of iheanacho or moise kean for example were let move with something similar in their contracts as big clubs letting hot prospects leave must want to consider the possibility of future success. Madrid have done this with carvajal, morata and recently hakimi all becoming twice their value over 12 months. Didn't bayern bring gnabry from Bremen at cut price? I'm not 100% sure on that one. Are there many notable big players who were used in that way?
{Ed0666's Note - What I want for Xmas is for you to start using paragraphs in you’re posts.
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30 Aug 2024 10:38:15
So when is it acceptable to ask about the winter window? ? honestly the constant questions about the same thing must be incredibly frustrating but the site is great and is checked probably more often then I care to admit! But appreciate all the effort that goes in and hopefully you get a small break before the January questions start.
1.) 30 Aug 2024 10:56:32
WY, I’ve decided to wait until Monday to start asking about the pre contract between us and Mbappe, if he’s joining in January, lol.
TYVM all Ed’s Marvellous work not to mention the accuracy.
2.) 30 Aug 2024 11:35:30
Kew Mondays mood on here will be very much determined by Sundays result.
3.) 30 Aug 2024 11:55:03
I’m still waiting for ed2’s long awaited sharkopod. He is cutting it close if it is to show up before the window closes. Any moment now.
4.) 30 Aug 2024 12:01:50
I bet the traffic in terms of questions has to be least this year as there was no real action from new LFC transfer team.
5.) 30 Aug 2024 13:05:22
You'd be surprised Sami. Just because we don't make signings, it doesn't mean that there won't be rumours. Just take a look at the rumour's page. A few that were just posted yesterday have been pushed out of the three rumours pages that we have.
13 Aug 2024 08:21:24
I don't get why some are so upset about Zubimendi 'rejecting' us. This window has been very quiet and the ITKs need something to talk about. We hadn't even agreed a deal with the club so the transfer was no where near close. And all the talk was just about us being interested or making him an option. The rest of the chat was social media getting ahead of itself.
This summer was always going to be difficult with a new backroom team and hierarchy. But let's see what the season brings before we lose our tiny little minds.
1.) 13 Aug 2024 08:38:07
It’s not even him turning us down because it was probably to be expected. It’s mainly the fact we can’t even get our 3 best players to sign deals. VVD says he hasn’t even been offered one. The season starts in a few days, we look a mile of challenging to me.
2.) 13 Aug 2024 08:41:46
There's no place for sense on here at the moment WY.
If you're not a hysterical screaming child then you're not a proper fan!
3.) 13 Aug 2024 08:56:25
I think the kicker was when Ornstein came out and said that Sociedad expected him to move to us, WY, if that didn't happen I'm not sure folks would have had such high expectations for him coming. I'm still not sure why everything happened the way it did, it's all very bizarre, and I'm sure everything will come to light in the future, but let's hope the club are moving on to another option in the background.
4.) 13 Aug 2024 08:36:22
Nobody is upset of player rejecting us. This has happened in the past as well. It’s the manner and time. Why waste 2 two and half months! The kid was available all summer. One should do their homework well before. Hughes is showing his true Bournemouth level.
06 Jul 2024 18:25:46
Avoiding the obvious problem of Southgate what’s peoples opinions on Kane?
I think he wants to play as a ten, which he can do, problem is there is no one ahead of him or looking to stretch the team. It means the opposition can push up, and makes the midfield congested. But because our play is so slow, it becomes really easy to deal with and leaves us with drab football.
I’m not saying we need to play it over the top all the time, but you need that threat as it keeps the defenders on their toes.
1.) 06 Jul 2024 18:50:30
He just wants to stroll around and have that captains armband. What do you mean play as 10. The guy can’t walk let alone run. Utterly useless.
2.) 06 Jul 2024 20:14:37
He's about as useful as tits on a pig, play Toney instead he'd frighten the crap out of these slack jawed Spaniards.
{Ed014's Note - Kane is utter garbage.
3.) 06 Jul 2024 21:43:23
Iron man, David Cameron begs to differ.
4.) 06 Jul 2024 22:14:01
It's hard to reconcile what I see of Kane on the pitch for England this past few weeks (where he looks a League One striker at best) vs. the guy who's 134 goals in his last 4 seasons at club level. Is he just a flat track bully who pads his stats with goals against comparatively poor teams? Is he tired? Does he not suit the system? Is he finished at top level?
I dunno.
5.) 06 Jul 2024 22:16:55
Kane was finished when Spurs sold him. He’s absolutely rinsed. Age has caught up with him.
6.) 06 Jul 2024 22:49:57
The problem is Kane and Bellingham know that no matter how they play they will never be dropped. If we had a manager with any semblance of a spine he would drop the pair of them to let them know that strolling around the pitch, backing out of challenges is just not good enough.
At the moment England are scraping through in spite of Southgate and not because of him.
{Ed025's Note - spot on BP..
7.) 06 Jul 2024 23:03:24
Stuie, that’s the most under rated comment I’ve ever seen on here. I just laughed so hard I snorted like a pig!
8.) 06 Jul 2024 23:16:37
Kane has never been quick but he can hardly move in these Euros.
He was even taken off just before the penalty shootout. We need more mobility up top.
9.) 06 Jul 2024 23:51:24
That was a shocking display from Kane tonight. He was literally walking round the pitch out of position and the only reason he was subbed is because he fell in the dugout and couldn’t get back out! He honestly looks finished at this level.
10.) 07 Jul 2024 00:18:51
Kane has been one of the most over rated goal hangers of his generation. On a really, really, really good day he is a average and if he hadn’t been ‘one of their own’ for the London press he wouldn’t have been anywhere near the England team.
11.) 07 Jul 2024 00:45:16
I think that’s a bit harsh WDW you don’t score the amount of goals Kane has at the top level if you’re average on a good day.
I can’t stand the guy but I have to give credit where it’s due.
One thing I will say is he had a Spurs team set up to create chances for him and as far as he’s concerned that’s just how he wants it. He won’t allow anyone else to steal his limelight and has shown he’ll betray his own kids to claim the glory.
He stole a tap in off Palmer today because his greed knows no bounds. He couldn’t give a toss about the team as long as he gets the goals.
He’s one of those players that will score goals but overall he makes the team worse.
12.) 07 Jul 2024 08:28:32
I'll take one laugh MK, it's one more than I usually get!
13.) 07 Jul 2024 12:42:22
I don’t think Kane is garbage, but he doesn’t fit our system in anyway. He’d have been great in that German team who would have played to his strengths. I think Watkins is more suited who has a bit of pace and runs in behind. Even so, he should be trying harder than he is.
14.) 07 Jul 2024 13:41:24
He's clearly not fit and needs to be dropped for Toney, but it won't happen. Southgate loves injured players and those that haven't played a professional game in 4 months. What a joke.
15.) 07 Jul 2024 18:03:28
If you could take Kanye’s instinct for scoring and somehow, bolt it onto Nunez’s work rate and ability to cause the collie wobbles in opposition defences you’d have a genuine world class striker., which, as it stands, neither of them are.
26 Jun 2024 12:27:17
Is it just me or is internation football at it's lowest point?
Maybe I am getting old but I grew up watching the Ronaldo (the original! ), Ronaldinho, Figo, Zidanes of the world. Players with star quality and legends of the sport.
There just seems something missing from the current crop of players. Obviously we all want to win, but above all I want to be entertained. Footballers of the past looked like they enjoyed the game, they saw it as an immense privilege to play the game we all love. Now they act is if they have just finished a shift at the local Morrisons. The players have become robots who seem scared to make a mistake due to the backlash they will get from media and fans alike. It’s turned into a chore for most of them, at least that is the impression I get
90/ 00's international football always felt like the pinnacle of the sport, the very best going toe to toe, whereas now I think the prem/ champions league quality has overtaken it. Maybe that's half the issue, teams are basically world 11's with unlimited resources (to a degree) and would beat most international teams off the park.
1.) 26 Jun 2024 13:03:32
Couldn’t agree more WYred, where’s the great Dutch, Brazilians Germans ect…and it’s just not international teams, the premier league is the same also. Remember Thierry Henry, bergkamp gerrard, drogba ect…. there are zero players of any character anymore. Winning for your country used to be the pinnacle for players and watching this euros I’ve only see ally seen Austria Germany and Portugal who look like they’re playing for the country’s. Forget England, we must have some of the most overrated players in world football. For all those going we have an amazing squad and this is our best chance……the current crop are not a patch on what we’ve had the last 30 ish years.
2.) 26 Jun 2024 13:55:40
I would say the game is much more tactically oriented now, and it’s not as though there aren’t any superstars left in the game, it’s more that the coaches have become the real center of attention with how they set out to nullify the other team and try to exploit spaces in their pressing patterns and defensive structures, and create situations where their best attacking players can be isolated in mismatches to create chances. The dominance of pep positional ball in Europe of course makes things very stale, but it seems like there are either weird new variations of this kind of play (motta, Alonso, slot, nagelsmann) or entirely different ways of playing (diniz, spalletti, gasperini) .
Players are mostly part of a successful tactical system now, rather than being given free rein to do what they want. And when they do receive the license to do that, it might not turn out entirely well in regard to the success of the team and the reception of the player among fans at large, the epochal contrast between Ronaldinho and neymar for example is illustrative I think.
Of course if people are less interested in the tactical side of the game, it can seem quite dull, I mean the likes of de zerbi and conte even advocated automating patterns of play so players mechanically know what to do when any eventuality transpires.
3.) 26 Jun 2024 14:11:04
I would also argue that it's not the players who are scared, they're instructed to play that way for the most part, the dominant style of elite football in europe (that is, Pep ball), is actually quite conservative because it's rather focussed on not being caught out when you lose the ball.
This is why Klopp ball, even the newest Ljinders-ised variant, is quite different, and why there is discernibly less 'control' in and out of possession, because Klopp ball seems to me to be about playing the odds with our risky passing game and chaotic movement up front with the forwards interchanging, assuming that our passers and forwards have the quality to consistently create and finish (and for the most part, this does work) . But also, it takes the chance that we'll get caught out in transition and Virgil and Ali can mop up the mess (and for a long time, this also seemed to work) .
What I mean is that if the coach has a structure that is fundamentally risk-averse, then the players themselves will naturally be risk-averse. If you look at some of the most fun to watch teams of the last few years, take Hansi Flick's Bayern for example, they were pretty much a mess tactically but they won everything, partly because their players were so good and at the peak of their powers and could outperform an xG that was already significant, but also because players like Davies could cover a ridiculous amount of ground with record speed to bail them out when things went wrong (just like Virgil for us) and Kimmich was there frantically putting out fires as well. Flick's system was basically about betting that Bayern's players were better than the other players, and their defenders were athletic enough to rescue things when rubbish would potentially hit the fan. In that way, maybe Flick's Bayern is a kind of throwback to what you guys are nostalgic for lol.
4.) 26 Jun 2024 14:23:53
Flick relies on having the very best players. As he’s about find out, Barcelona really don’t have very many who fall under that description.
5.) 26 Jun 2024 14:38:43
I think the CL is bigger now.
And we can regularly watch the best players in the world playing in that and the European leagues that are more accessible.
6.) 26 Jun 2024 15:04:02
I just realised the original post was about international football so my whole spiel was largely nonsense on the wrong subject lol. Sorry about that.
As for international football, coaches have less time to work on tactics with players who are all drilled playing different styles for different coaches and serving different roles within those styles. For them to then have to adapt to a different way of playing in intermittent breaks without really building much rhythm is difficult to say the least, and usually the coaches just cobble something haphazard together.
That's why nations that have a lot of players playing in the same league or for the few dominant teams within that league often look a lot more organised (you would think the Netherlands would be an example of this since they are pioneers of a national style of football), or, similarly, you can have a team like Brazil that either has a Pep-like positional system that is forcibly imposed on them in an unnatural way and consequently look awkward and uncomfortable (like Dunga did), or play a more organic almost street football style that is more in keeping with what they all did growing up or playing futsal etcetera.
7.) 26 Jun 2024 15:10:17
It was a pretty poor appointment, VV, flick already proved that when he didn't have the same personnel in key positions in the German team that things were going to be a lot more difficult. Flick's Bayern were a super direct and athletic team that went upfield vertically very fast and pressed high up the pitch, maybe one can say that there are similarities with Klopp in that regard. Barcelona's DNA is pretty much the opposite of that, and they're not exactly blessed with players who run back and forth for 90 minutes or athletes in midfield, either.
8.) 26 Jun 2024 15:45:48
WYred, it's not just you. For those of us like me who grew up on watching int'l football esp. in the late 80's on to now, the standards have been deteriorating for decades now. The players just don't look fit and committed at times cos there's too much money in league footie (and esp. in CL footie, as Rigsby said) . Just look at Jude for England.
I think cos since everything is synchronised to fit the European league season, players often arrive tired or not real fit for such comps. hence, the pace is off, the lack of commitment is there and these lead to poor footie standards. Even tho there is the off comp. that is a good watch, like the last two WC tournaments WC Brazil and Russia which I enjoyed.
9.) 26 Jun 2024 17:03:43
This was my point reguarding Bellingham being the best in the world for some. There's nowhere near the quality there was years ago. You had truly worldclass players sprinkled throughout many top sides. The real Madrid team that just won the champions league isn't a patch on the Ronaldo/ alonso side. This generation of players are a level or two of the previous generation and these English players are massively overhyoed.
{Ed025's Note - or could it be that the standard of the players around them has gone up MIZER so they are not as stand out as they used to be?, just a point mate..
10.) 26 Jun 2024 17:43:41
What’s gone are the characters., the likes of Stan Bowles, Rod Marsh and the like. They had immense natural talent but also had a laugh about the game too. Football, as a game, certainly in England started to die with Sky and the Premier League. Just look at the state of the garbage in Germany - England topped the group with 5pts and scored - wait for it - one goal. as a source of entertainment, watching England is a distant s3cong to watching paint dry and the really sad thing is the Southgate doesn’t even understand what the (major) problem is.
{Ed025's Note - yeah im with you WDW, its all too serious and money orientated mate, and seriously less fun, mind you the internet doesn,t help when you get trolls abusing players and other supporters, i know i might sound like a auld arse but its not what it used to be..
11.) 26 Jun 2024 18:15:52
There's definitely less character generally amongst the players, but it's the one thing that Robbo and Nunez don't exactly lack.
International football is sterile. People who are paying hundreds for tickets are being fleeced as far as showing of quality football and entertainment goes the majority of the time.
12.) 26 Jun 2024 18:22:24
the standards have dropped. Bellingham wouldn’t take Platts place. Or the 3 golden boys ( gerrard, lampard scholes) honestly I don’t think he’d take carricks place either.
{Ed001's Note - Platt was not half the player Bellingham is, in fact he was barely half a player.}
13.) 26 Jun 2024 19:05:23
Blimey, Bellingham is 20, has just won the CL, La Liga and was the player of the year there and people are knocking him!
14.) 26 Jun 2024 19:52:30
Im with you. Before wingers went at the defenders or sprint past em, while nowadays they just pass around The ball until someone messes up or lose track. Bring back the neymar, ronaldhino type of players not just robots.
15.) 26 Jun 2024 20:34:15
@ed1: i liked platt from what I remember of him.
@Rigsby: I’m not knocking him the question was “ has the standards of international footy dropped? ” Which led to comparisons. I was comparing him.
16.) 26 Jun 2024 21:03:40
For me it a bit of a combo of all the above, world class labelled players who are just really good, standards of all players has improved and fitness levels more evenly matched than before. Much more structure and organisation to the ‘lesser’ teams. Fear of losing (esp in Eng case) rather than going for the win and you rarely see a player smile unless a goal goes in, its too business like for me. That’s why watching Ronaldinho was so good, apart from the lob of Seaman! he played with a smile on his face to go with the Extraordinary talent. Firmino did that a lot as well, played with a smile, maybe just to show off his whiter than white gnashers ?.
Also before international management was the pinnacle of a managers career- not so much anymore.
But on the glass half full side, rarely if ever, am sure someone will correct me, did a team smash qualification then go on to win a major tournament. The best teams usually start slow, players protect them selves from injury and needless bookings from tackles do just enough to get through to knock outs then play improves. Hoping this is the case for Eng and the tournament?.
{Ed025's Note - nah KNG, England are just shoite mate..
17.) 26 Jun 2024 21:11:24
I think when I were a lad, these international tournaments were the only chance we had to see the worlds best players - Socrates, Zico, Maradona, Van Basten, Platini - players from all over the world.
However, now you see them in the premier league.
There’s less excitement, less mystery. We’ve seen these players every week. The only ones we haven’t seen in the PL have been seen on satellite TV.
{Ed025's Note - fair point that Ron..
18.) 26 Jun 2024 22:03:46
I'm not sure if the overall standard of international football has gone down, but what I do know for sure is that the big gulf that used to exist between the traditional powerhouses (Brazil, Germany, Italy, France etc etc) and the rest of the World, has greatly reduced. Football is far more "democratized" than it ever was before. Further proof is that players, for example, from Africa, South America, the USA, South Korea and Japan are common place now in all the major leagues. And this accumulation of experience does rub off on their national teams.
So maybe it's not so much all of international football going down, but rather the top teams not standing out so much because the others have caught up a bit and you don't notice the greater difference any more, that there used to be in the past.
19.) 27 Jun 2024 00:29:41
I wonder if the 'coaching badges' are partially to blame. It seems to be that all coaches these days are taught the same thing.
How much of the courses is based on what the most successful teams in the past have done - Catenaccio, Total Football, Long Ball, Tippy-Tappy, Heavy Metal, High pressure, low block, Counter Attack, Wingless Wonders, Sweepers, Libero's, Dogs of War (that's for you Ed 25), Pass and Move, False 9's, 442, 433, 4231, 343, The diamond etc.
20.) 27 Jun 2024 00:52:18
Fair enough, john.
David Platt is the second best hairdresser on Coronation Street. Maria obviously takes the golden scissors but Audrey is past it, in my book.
Have a look at Platty's highlights on YouTube.
21.) 27 Jun 2024 07:02:16
I think football has become tactically over complicated at the very top. It works at club level because you have a minimum of 40 weeks a year to work on things in training and can buy 11 player to suit a specific system. At international level you just don’t have the time to perfect complex systems with inverted full backs, false 9’s, double pivots etc.
So I think the national teams with the best players trying to pull that off are struggling against teams like Austria, Georgia, Switzerland etc who are combining a simple system with hard work off the ball and one or two star players on the break when they win it back. The only time in recent years we’ve seen a national team sustain any success was when Spain had half the Barcelona team and Germany had half the Bayern Munich team. So they could just carry those tactics across and had players coached and capable to pull it off.
Just how I see it of course. I don’t think the big countries have worse players. I just think they need to get back to basics.
18 May 2024 18:45:54
Tomorrow will be a bizarre day. I have been watching Liverpool for 20 odd years and I don't remember anyone leaving where there seemed such emotion tied to it. Gerrard did to an extent but not too this level. I think that’s because it was on the cards due to performance and age.
Even though it’s been announced for 3-4 months, it still seems such a shock.
His tenure is littered with moments that just the players names can bring back some terrific memories.
Lallana
Lovren
Origi (x at least three! )
Alisson
Salah
And the list could go on.
Klopp will be judged by other fans by his record, which maybe is light for the size of the club. But when you consider where we were, the long wait we were experiencing and the team we had. That’s before you put city in the equation which only time will show the impact of their charges.
The journey is one we will reminisce about for decades and hopefully his legacy will be the foundation he has laid for slot and future managers. Again only time will answer that.
But for now, we need to enjoy the last game, give the man the best send off possible and see where out future goes from here.
At the end of the day, we only feel this sadness due to the highs he has taken to and I can confirm I am now 100% a believer.
1.) 18 May 2024 20:04:22
I’m just grateful that he was our manager. He brought the pride back. But for 115 FC and their unique accounting methods, Klopp would have more titles, but that doesn’t throw shade on what he achieved, but for Klopp, 115 FC would be making it seem even more of a farmers league than it’s becoming.
2.) 18 May 2024 21:57:00
People look at trophies as the be all and end all.
We were dormant for years. Then Juergen came. Kaboom!
3.) 18 May 2024 22:57:43
I’m quite cool about it, maybe because I’m older.
Probably Kenny leaving was the most shocking and disappointing move for me. No-one wanted him to leave, everyone was upset. Everyone understood his decision.
After that, nothing is quite as emotional.
Of course I’m grateful for Jurgen and will never forget his achievements, but he’s leaving at the right time.
4.) 19 May 2024 00:21:57
Totally agree! Yeah if anyone think his achievements are light by comparing his to that golden era decades ago, ok I won't argue a single bit.
For me, I'm comparing his achievements to the era of H&G, so for me, he is a legend!
Good bye and thank you so much, Klopp.
5.) 19 May 2024 01:05:01
The time is right because Klopp has said it is. He needs a break and he deserves one but time will tell how it will affect the club. It had to happen one day though.
Tomorrow will be emotional because he is an emotional and likeable bloke. I guarantee that he will get emotional and that affect a lot of us. He's been more than just a manager. He massively bought into this club and it was like we had a fan, no different to the rest of us, managing the club.
If he wasn't so likeable and good at his job tomorrow wouldn't be so difficult.
Anyway, I'll put my big boys pants on, gulp several times and chop some onions for tea just before the end of the game.
6.) 19 May 2024 01:51:15
The best thing is that even though City will win the league tomorrow, no one will care because it will all be about Klopp. That will hurt pep’s fragile ego.
7.) 19 May 2024 03:28:50
Agreed Ron.
Great post WY.
One of them for me, I'm gutted we're here but it was always going to happen wasn't it? I just hope we can continue doing well. I also hope Klopp can just enjoy life for a while and relax, he's put everything in - good luck to the legend he is. An incredible person and an incredible manager, one which will be talked about long after us lot are gone.
8.) 19 May 2024 07:01:46
See I personally don’t get this trophy talk. Sometimes you have to look beyond that, especially when your competition has been the Man City juggernaut.
In 9 years Klopp took Liverpool to three champions league finals and won one.
Ferguson got to four in 27 years and won 2.
Wenger got to one champions league final in 22 years and lost.
Pep has only taken that monster of a City team to 2 finals and won one.
Also, Klopp finished second, twice, on more points than either Man Utd or Arsenal ever achieved under either of their legendary managers.
Yes, he could, potentially should, have won more trophies but he took a team that was nowhere, spent less than all his contemporaries and took that team from nowhere to win the lot.
9.) 19 May 2024 07:08:34
Shanks set the tone - he showed the fans the dream and brought it to life. He understood people and he was attuned to the city and the city took him to heart.
Great people followed him with King Kenny perhaps the most shining example. A brilliant footballer but much more a fine human being who did so much for the community, in times of horrendous adversity.
All the best keepers of the dreams have had the quality of understanding people, of empathy with them and an ability to inspire them and not just in a football sense.
Jurgen stands with the best of the ‘dream keepers’, a great footballing mind but far more a great human being too. As @WY said, we are sad because we will miss the joy he has brought us. Anything but the ‘normal one’.
Thank you Jurgen. You will be greatly missed but will always be remembered fondly.
10.) 19 May 2024 09:48:50
Guys as someone told me, "Do not be sad that it has ended. Be glad that it happened". From this point, I cannot see my LFC world without Klopp in it. It feels so weird now cos of how he has impacted me as a fan and personally, as a human being. Wometimes when I listen to him speak about footie, his ethos to it and life in general, I feel he is talking to me directly. Some of his quotes will stay with me forever. That's how much he impacted me, personally.
Therefore, I agree with the boys who say it's not all about the trophies even tho, they are great to have. Managers have won more than Klopp YET will NEVER be as impactful to the fan base, the city and the lives of it's people the way Klopp has an all 3 clubs he has managed. Imagine being reverred and loved to the bones at 3 diff. clubs, cities and fan bases as Klopp currently is. Wenger, Pep, Carlo, Jose, etc. will NEVER have this.
Klopp taught us a lot of things. He taught us to believe in ourselves again. To let the past go rather than carry it on our backs like we had been doing for 25 plus years. To dream big, Play big and WIN big. And when we got knocked down, Klopp taught us how to get back on that saddle and kept going and trying till we won again. This is Klopp's legacy, one that transcends football and trophies. This is what Klopp means to me.
But for now we celebrate you Jurgen, and your family esp. Queen Ulla herself, who was gracious enuff to share you with us for all these 9 years.
You will NEVER be forgotten.
15 Aug 2024 12:36:42
Ed002, any movement on Van Dijk? Or will clubs just wait to Jan and sign him up on a pre-agreement?
{Ed002's Note - They are not the only options available. Nothing has changed.}
08 Aug 2024 09:22:04
I'm still not convinced this one will happen, all the noise seems to come from Journos saying words like 'exploring' or 'considering'. There doesn't seem to be any agreement with his club, although we know what is needed to be done. Full clause up front, and apparently turned down a move to the prem previously.
Hopefully I am wrong (usually am according to the missus! ) but think there is a lot of mileage left in this one.
14 Aug 2023 19:18:38
We are going with a spider keeper this year and using Ali in DM, he is excited by the switch in position and can't wait to showcase it against Bournemouth. He was willing to move to Chelsea but after they got two shiny new ones he was no longer interested in the 15 year contract they were willing to offer.
14 Aug 2023 19:18:38
We are going with a spider keeper this year and using Ali in DM, he is excited by the switch in position and can't wait to showcase it against Bournemouth. He was willing to move to Chelsea but after they got two shiny new ones he was no longer interested in the 15 year contract they were willing to offer.
14 Aug 2023 10:54:48
If true, and then he does end up picking chelsea, it would be an awful look for the negotiating team.
Caicedo was worth a shot, and we would have got the go ahead from the agent (at least I expect so) to go after that deal. Imo, that's just football and you move on.
However, if you wanted a player for £45m, moved on to someone over twice as much, to move back to the oringal player for 15m more, and still don't secure the player because he prefers Chelsea. It would definitley leave a sour taste in the mouth and really put the pressure on the powers that be.
Alternativley, we get the player for £60m and still look a bit foolish for not just paying the £50m they originally asked for.
As I have said in a previous post, there is a scenario where both Liverpool and Chelsea overpay on their targets by about 15m because they each got involved in the other deal instead of just biting the bullet and accepting the selling clubs terms. I. e. 50m for lavia or 100m for Caicedo.
29 Aug 2024 19:43:56
I’m all for big games, but I’ve always enjoyed watching the draw and feel the order they came out really had no relevance on who you faced. The majority was done by the computer and the draw was just the order they decided to show the fixtures. Unless I missed something as it seemed horribly convoluted.
Personally, I’d prefer the draw to create the league table, so positions 1-9 is pot one all the way through to pot 4. However, the routes are pre determined. So, as an example, first out would play 3,5 (pot 1) 12,15 (pot 2) 19,21 (pot 3) and 32,36 in (pot 4). It would then keep the random nature of the draw rather than it all being done behind the scenes. Then if they wanted to avoid clubs playing from the same league they could use the computer to avoid a number and jump into the next slot in the order. It’d also add watching the ties build rather than Ronaldo pressing a button for something already decided.
25 Aug 2024 08:50:26
Not seen the lines for united goal but it did look off to the naked eye. But just seen the highlight of the city game and thought VAR was meant to be a high bar? That city pen didn’t seem to be clear enough for it to warrant an overturn. And they didn’t show the Lewis one to be able to compare.
24 Aug 2024 19:12:45
They'll play like this for the first 10 games, look doomed. Sack manager and then somehow stay up. They are a team that need to have the chips down to play well and get results.
18 Aug 2024 18:29:41
Sorry ed001, didn't word it very well meant in the VAR era. Some are blowing it up like it's a huge error but I don't see it that way.
18 Aug 2024 16:43:25
The thing is, we have seen that be called 100 times and also not called 100 times. The only reason people are whining this time round is because eze put it in the back of the net. Incredibly unfortunate but we have seen a lot worse decisions from VAR.
{Ed001's Note - VAR didn't have a decision to make, the ref had blown the whistle before it went in, so the ball was dead.}