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22 Jun 2013 11:38:16
Hi Eds and Red. Is it fair to suggest that the transfer budget has been used on these first four signings and that future player purchases will be dependent on player sales? If so, do you believe all monies made from sales would be made available for purchases? Thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the finances as it causes confusion as folks seem to struggle with anything other than the fee itself. What is paid would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number including any levy applied by the local FA.
(b) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(c) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(d) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(e) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches.
(f) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(g) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered)
(h) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, paying up insurance costs on the player, football association fees, signing on fee etc.. This was off the top of my head and I may well have forgotten something. The big numbers are the transfer fee, agent fees (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years) and possibly other intermediary fees (what do you mean you have a super agent?}

BobbyF

1.) Super Agent. now that's a cool job!


2.) God agents are money-grabbing *****


3.) Thanks for this insight to how it works and costs involved Ed0002 eye opener.
chris


4.) Id love to go for a drink with you ed002 your a very knowledgeable person indeed


 

 

 

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22 Jun 2019 17:11:56
On social media there is this debate over who was the biggest 'snake' in respect of leaving Liverpool - Sterling, Torres, Suarez or Coutinho.

For me, Suarez tops that list easily. Biting, racism, t shirts, Arsenal. all that activity affected the club's reputation and ultimately meant he was too much of a liability to keep against his will.
I don't think any of the other 3 did anything worse than what another pro has done at any other club and no conducted actions which affected the club's reputation.

Interested in the views of other cos social media seems to make Coutinho the bad guy.

BobbyF

1.) 22 Jun 2019 17:25:28
because most people on social media are fickle idiot fans that forget a player is a human being . If Torres, Owen, Coutinho etc thought they'll have a better life on warm spain than icy cold Liverpool, then no one should blame them, I'll do the same, most will do the same (but most are hypocritical idiots to admit it) . For the players you listed, Liverpool got a very good price so really was a win win situation .
Suarez is slightly different . for most of us that had the club reputation ahead of anything else . we were very happy he left, don't get me wrong he was a great footballer and we missed that . but he was a despicable human being and the further away he was from our club the better.


2.) 22 Jun 2019 17:34:31
Yeah, I'd probably agree Suarez.

Imo, Coutinho is getting more stick than the others atm because: He's the one who left most recently. He wasn't as good as Suarez, so there's less sense of 'owing' him anything for his performances. There was a sense the team as a whole was being built up to something good rather than relying on one or two players as we had done since the 90s, and he 'abandoned' us at that time instead of trying to be part of it. And finally Schadenfreude. His move hasn't worked the way he wanted it to.

Out of Sterling and Torres, I'm not sure who should get the least stick. (Apologies if my memory is wrong on any of this) :

Torres didn't refuse to train or play (at least that I've heard of), but maybe he would have if we'd tried harder to resist the move, and is alleged to have basically told the club late in the transfer window "I'm going to Chelsea, tough! ".

Sterling did refuse to go on a pre-season trip, iirc, and did that cringeworthy interview at the behest of his agent, but the way we handled him in 2014-15 was farcical. He should've been offered a new contract in the summer but wasn't, instead we waited for it to become apparent that BR was out of ideas for breaking down defences without Suarez and that another 'transition' period was in the offing, then offered him a contract. And then before Sterling or his agent said anything publically, BR started talking to the media about what a great offer he'd been given and that he should sign it. Clever.


3.) 22 Jun 2019 18:10:01
Suarez without doubt.
Torres got stick because he went to a direct rival.
But we did well out of all deals really.


4.) 22 Jun 2019 18:36:50
Torres had one knee and we sold him for 50 mil and that was a huge sum back then. He never stopped trying for us. I feel no ill will towards him at all.

Suarez is the worst human on the list withoit doubt

Owen still loves liverpool, i know he played for utd but its a bit different for players than it is for us fans

For me, the way sterling wormed his way out was shameful, the interview made everyone but city look like clowns. So as for being a snake and forcing a move its raheem for me.

Coutinio wasnt as bad as he's being made out. He really wanted to leave in the summer, Barcelona wanted him. But he gave us until January and i think it was being said that if we had a chance at the league then he would have left at the end of the season. As it was city had all but tied up the league and he left. Shame, we could have done with his magic against real madrid, we were so flat once salah was injured.

{Ed001's Note - why 'still' with regards to Owen? He treated the club with contempt while with us? Even as a kid he would turn up in Everton kit, despite turning them down to join us. He has never shown LFC any respect, so I am intrigued why you say he 'still loves Liverpool'?}


5.) 22 Jun 2019 18:41:12
Andy Carroll - he played like he was absolutely garbage virtually every game so could get a move away haha.


6.) 22 Jun 2019 19:26:27
I think Torres was sold false promise by bill and Ben back then (H&G) about new signings etc so u can’t begrudge nando as for the others they just wanted to play for bigger clubs in Barcelona and real part in parcel but I think Owen was the biggest snake!


7.) 22 Jun 2019 19:30:04
Couts and Suarez for sure for me. Suarez because of what has already been very well documented above. Couts for me not because it is the most recent, but the way he behaved before his ultimate move to Barca. The fake back injury, the sulking and the way he gave up if he lost the ball. He acted petulant in my opinion. Another one that hasn't been mentioned is Javier Mascherano. Just pitiful. But Ed001 makes really good points about Owen. I really can't blame Torres for wanting to leave at that point in time.


8.) 22 Jun 2019 20:34:22
For some reason, [some] Liverpool fans seem to have this assumption that our players should be die hard LFC fans, desiring to play out the rest of their careers at the club, and go on to retire as LFC legends.

Footballers are human beings, with dreams and ambitions which do not usually revolve around the club; they may be career related, family related, money related, religion related, etc.

They also have feelings and anyone can suffer depression, anxiety, etc. This can affect performance, attitude, desire, etc. Feelings can cause a decent bloke to behave unusually, just look at how poorly Torres performed towards the end of his LFC days - he just had no desire whatsoever.

I, myself, left a job in the past in order to seek pastures new. I went from being one of the hardest workers to not being arsed at all due to depression, and then I packed it in and moved away, and the move was probably one of the best decisions I ever made. For footballers bound by such great contracts, sometimes forcing the move is the only option. For a player suffering depression I can only imagine how much greater the burden would be, being told that you must see out the remaining 3 years of your contract. Would this not worsen the depression and the symptoms?

Unfortunately, the technology addicted fans of today look at footballers as robots or FIFA players; without dreams, ambitions, feelings etc. They do not take into consideration that there may be underlying factors leading players to seek a move away from the club.


9.) 22 Jun 2019 20:37:10
Suarez for me. It even felt as though that bite at the world cup was deliberate in his way to get out of the club so that we'd take a lower offer. Absolutely vile human being.

Another player, while I know he never stepped a foot wrong for the club, is Steve Mcmanaman. I think he should have showed a desire to move to La Liga and been honest about it so that Liverpool could have got a decent fee for him. It just came out of the blue. We all thought he was about to sign a contract extension and then BANG, he's sign a pre-contract with Real Madrid.

I know it's the club's fault deep down, but he'd have fetched a pretty penny back then and if he'd have been up front about his desire, the club would have acted differently. I actually put the loss of Stevie Mac as one of the pinnacle moments in our decline/ failure to rise back up. He's still one of the most skillful players I've seen in a red shirt for us.


10.) 23 Jun 2019 02:24:14
In the champions league final, linekar introduced owen and said "liverpool through and through of course" and owen nodded. I felt there was a little dig at him by gary, since he did play for utd and left us for such a low fee.

But i remember last years final, owen was asked who he thought would win. He said in his heart he wanted liverpool to win but his head said real. that's respect surely? Owen may have been a blue but he isn't now. Same with gerrard isn't it?

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard was never a blue.}


 

 

02 Jun 2019 21:04:12
This may seem like a silly question but what does the result last night do for the commercial side of the club?
After the 2005 CL win, I don't recall us making massive strides commercially, but that might be the passage of time growing increasingly fuzzy.
Is it that we are pretty much at the top of our game, commercially, already or does winning the CL open further options that defeat last night wouldn't have presented?

BobbyF

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are in a good place commercially and this will provide the club with improved opportunities.}


1.) 02 Jun 2019 22:32:21
ed002 how big is football growing in the us now, And how good is Christian Pulisic and did we miss a trick in not trying to sign him for commercial growth over there .

{Ed002's Note - It is growing still and they are way ahead on ladies soccer. The quality is improving but it is a mix of very good American players, some good fringe players from elsewhere and generally older and/or fringe players from Europe. Training camps for youngsters in the US are some of the best in the world and much of that is down to a couple of individuals from Europe that got it running, in particular a Scot who moved out there in 1976 and never returned, and several European sides that have provided funding to help it grow.

I have said many times that players should not be signed for commercial growth, but I am well aware it happens. Pulisic is a well respected youngster and is, being American, bright - and that helps a lot. He will, I suspect, do well in London but you are only going to give yourselves stress if you start thinking (again), "oh boy we missed him".

Thanks for the question - a good one.}


2.) 02 Jun 2019 23:11:11
thanks for a great reply ed002 would not have wanted him just for his commercial growth but think if he is as good as everybody said its a double bonus for Chelsea.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea are also very well placed commercially so that was not the reason he was signed. But there was a simple reason.}


3.) 02 Jun 2019 23:27:09
Ed02, by chance is that Scot Charlie Cooke?

{Ed002's Note - It is, I didn’t think any of you would know him.}


4.) 03 Jun 2019 03:02:47
Yeah ed a good friend of mine went over a few years ago and he's been coaching teen youth sides since. The local talent isn't the strongest, but the facilities are top class, he's sent me pictures of training grounds and set ups that would amaze you how close they compare to the top level pro standards used here.

The infrastructure is perfect. I guess it's just the fact that the US have many more popular sports ahead of "soccer", any talented young athletic sporty kids will more likely be introduced to the main sports first. Local young talent will only be gain as the sport increases in popularity and interest.

Was always going to take plenty of time but I actually feel the MLS is growing faster than I would have thought. There are some young lads with big potential throughout Europe now. Mckennie, Adams, pulisic all teenagers playing regularly in bundesliga. Timothy weah too looks a prospect. And the lad Davies at bayern but I think he might be Canadian. MLS can be a sensible stepping stone too, many young South Americans are lately turning heads. Couple of argentinian boys in particular should get their moves to Europe soon. In the past though, many have struggled to make the step up but the quality is improving for sure.

{Ed002's Note - I would agree.}


5.) 03 Jun 2019 10:43:45
Yeah, I grew up in Memphis where he was a player and later coach for our NASL team. He was one of my favorites. I think he moved to Cincinnati?

{Ed002's Note - He did but he is now settled in California.}


6.) 03 Jun 2019 12:39:21
oh, good for him. I hope and trust he is doing well. If you speak with him again, please let him know he has a fan who remembers his Memphis days.

{Ed002's Note - I will do. I last saw him when he was visiting England to see an old coleague of his who is in pretty poor shape.}


 

 

10 May 2019 21:47:09
Ed002, can you see the ban for Raola having an impact on some of his clients ambitions this summer? Would they seek a new agent and would doing so make them more attractive prospects to certain clubs? Thanks.

BobbyF

{Ed002's Note - No, why would the seek new agents?}


1.) 11 May 2019 16:06:19
I wasn't sure if the ban would hamper any moves planned for his clients. In which case, if it did and they were set on moves this summer, would they seek a new agent?

However, you know the industry so I wouldn't question your reply. Thanks bud. Have a great weekend.

{Ed002's Note - None of them have a need for a new agent.}


 

 

08 May 2019 22:13:43
Ajax looked shot and Spurs demonstrated the tenacity and power of the English game, just as we did last night. Fair play to them, at half time they didn't have a chance.
Let's hope the fact that we have been there before and have a decent record against Spurs counts for something on June 1st.

BobbyF

1.) 08 May 2019 23:25:47
terrible defending on that last goal. that won't happen to us.


2.) 09 May 2019 08:40:57
Stone, it was terrible defending cos Ajax defenders were spent, physically. They were getting bullied physically, something Ruud Gullit said was their greatest weakness in the Eredivisie and Poch prolly knew that. They could not cope and eventually, they cracked.


3.) 09 May 2019 11:01:37
fair enough redwolf.


 

 

06 Jan 2019 19:11:02
Ed002's mate at 'The Firm' reporting significant progress in the signing of Werner. Assume this is BS right?

BobbyF

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any "significant progress".}


1.) 06 Jan 2019 19:28:35
Cheers Ed002.as I thought, 'clickbait'


2.) 06 Jan 2019 20:00:38
Isn’t that who Ed002 calls the fat kid from Bolton?


3.) 06 Jan 2019 20:19:30
Who is The Firm. Not this again with Werner. It has been explained wh has interest in him and the fact we would have to have a change of front line to accommodate him into the team. Not happening.


4.) 06 Jan 2019 20:29:40
I don’t actually want Werner, I think he’s overrated, but I think we need someone of his supposed quality to rotate seemlessly. As mentioned before city have sane mahrez and sterling, only two of whom can play really, and they manage. We need the same quality in depth.


5.) 06 Jan 2019 21:07:38
The firm also confirmed we had signed pulisic, Lemar and Lord know how many others. Utter nonsense.

{Ed002's Note - Someone has said they have now confirmed this as a done deal. Great news for Liverpool fans and with Gaston Ramirez feeding those balls from the wing, how can Liverpool not win the league.}


6.) 06 Jan 2019 21:23:12
The Firm is a page on twitter, who claims to know it all about transfers but knows literally bugger all, just like the many thousands of others on that platform.

{Ed002's Note - you cant say that because they will delete the posts. They also banned#WonderDogSparky.}


7.) 06 Jan 2019 21:24:01
The Firm again? He needs to switch off his computer, leave his bedroom and go outside into the real world.


8.) 06 Jan 2019 21:30:35
I think the firm may be who Ed002 refers to as

"The Fat Kid From Bolton"

Id take no notice. Its obviously bull!


9.) 06 Jan 2019 21:33:26
I agree Fencey. I think Werner is average at best. I really don't see what the fuss is all about. Reminds me of Theo Walcott as a kid. Head down, sprint, hit it as hard as he can.

{Ed0333's Note - works for Jamie Vardy


10.) 06 Jan 2019 21:35:38
Why would anyone even do that though? Do you get some kind of prize if you get it right?
They just guess on loads of players and when one does happen act like they are the messiah.
No mate. You’re just a saddo who needs to get a life.


11.) 06 Jan 2019 21:55:16
You'd take Vardy then, triple 3? He has one thing Werner doesn't I suppose; passion. Werner plays like he's entitled. Probably because people have blown smoke up his rear end since he was about 19. Similar to Walcott in that respect as well I suppose. Vardy is hard working and plays on the edge which makes him a bit of a nightmare, but I still wouldn't want such a one dimensional player at Liverpool.


12.) 06 Jan 2019 22:13:10
Vardy works well on the counter, plus when he smashes is, he usually hits the target. In fairness to him, hitting a moving ball first time, he’s quite good at it. Vardy wouldn’t work well in our team though, he’d probably get a few goals, but couldn’t cover wide and play in our style, like Someone like Werner could. Again not saying him, but there’s got to be som talented players out there with some guild and tact, as will as some pace, who can play wide or through the middle.


13.) 07 Jan 2019 00:17:16
I disagree, if there's one player id take to rotate for a season or 2 its Vardy, proven prem player.


14.) 07 Jan 2019 00:56:50
We need versatile, flexible forwards who will suit our style of play and can come in for any of the front 3 to compliment the others already there, in my opinion.

Nabil Fekir, I think, is the best option but if not him we need to look at guys like Lorenzo Insigne, Roberto Pereyra or Pablo Sarabia. Forwards with more to their game than chasing passes and shooting a lot. Players who can link up, create, score goals, play wide, play narrow, find space between the lines etc.

Random names, I know, but we have our star striker in Mo Salah. Same way City have Aguero, Spurs have Kane, Arsenal have Aubameyang etc. Those players will all play every game when fully fit and in form so you have to sign players who can play with them. I don't see Werner playing alongside Salah so I simply don't see the point in signing a far inferior back up option to make 5-10 starts a season. It didn't work with Origi or Solanke. Werner will be no different.


15.) 07 Jan 2019 07:26:30
A new forward doesn’t have to be all-singing, all-dancing as long as they’re quick and very good at their job.
Look at Sane at City, he frightens me to death every time he gets the ball.
Lightening fast, direct and can impact a game.
I like Vardy very much. Imagine a player like him with Salah, leave them up top - one ball out of defence and you’re in business.
Interchangeable with Salah too, give him a rest.
Pace has won the last few Premierships, it’s now an essential imho.


16.) 07 Jan 2019 08:27:21
Vardy is one of them for me, I never understood the hype personally. I'd much prefer keep Sturridge or Origi ahead of Vardy.

Clubs can have mediocre players, we all have them but we're far too big for the likes of Vardy now imo, he might of fit in a few years ago but now? not for me. We should be aiming higher or at least looking at somebody who would suit our style of play a bit better.


17.) 07 Jan 2019 09:26:45
Considering our style of play, I will take Vardy over Sturridge everyday. Not that I want Vardy in, but he has been scoring 15-20 goals per season for the past couple of years, while Sturridge has been keeping the physios company.


18.) 07 Jan 2019 09:33:19
Spot on, MK on Werner. He is quite poor and tho has pace, he is a headless chicken who has a poor final touch and doesn't score as many goals as people think he does. I watched him a lot last season (as I was keeping tabs on Keita) and he was so bad, he was benched for the younger and more talented Frenchman George-Kevin Augustin. Nuff said, right there.

As per Vardy, I don't want him either. he is quite limited in his repertoire and the good thing about our front three is that they can do multiple things and play anywhere in the front line, something Vardy simply cannot do. We need a forward who a) Will be happy to play his role from the bench and b) who is versatile. Werner or Vardy do not tick these boxes.


19.) 07 Jan 2019 09:37:06
You think Vardy would have 4 goals in 273 minutes like Sturridge?


20.) 07 Jan 2019 11:12:24
Its not going to happen but someone I like the look of as an alternative to Werner would be Luka Jovic.
He is doing great so far this season, joint top scorer currently in Bundesliga with 12 in 15 games for Frankfurt and also chipping in with 5 in 6 games in Europa League as Frankfurt topped their group. He can play through the middle or on the left or right and just turned 21 in December.
Its not likely there is any chance for clubs to get him as he has 6 months left on a 2 year loan from Benfica and Frankfurt seem to have some option to buy him at the end.
However, he does look exciting despite it being early days for him.


21.) 07 Jan 2019 12:11:42
MK, I think Vardy won't get injured every 3 days, or duck out of challenges.
I am not saying I want Vardy, but he's a way better option than Sturridge.
And how is Sturridge's 4 goals in 273 minutes a factor? That's an irrelevant stat. He comes in mainly as a sub to take advantage of a tired backline.
Vardy's goal/ minute is 181/ minute, Firmino's is 201, Arnautovic's is 168. I take it that they're both better than Bobby?


22.) 07 Jan 2019 13:08:33
Sturridge has been fit for about 18 months. He also doesn't duck out of challenges. That is media BS. He has tracked back into right back before and won possession. He gets the same press as Ozil because of his body language. Sure he doesn't fly in out of control like Vardy does (hence why he gets red carded from time to time) but he works smart instead of behaving like a headless chicken with roid-rage.

I don't know where 273 came from to be honest. I wrote 506 but it must've autocorrected to a number I've put in my calculator recently. 4 goals and 1 assist in 506 minutes is a very good return considering he hasn't had a run of starts to gather momentum or form. Vardy is not at his level. He has very limited quality in possession and needs constant minutes to stay sharp.

It's also no coincidence that most of Vardy's goals come against the big 6 teams. That is because he is only effective when playing against a high line. Hardly any teams play a high line against us though. Probably only Man City, Arsenal and occasionally Tottenham.

Additionally, Sturridge is usually brought on late when we are trying to rescue points against teams packed in deep and holding on for dear life. Sturridge has the quality to unlock tight defences or score a wonder goal. Vardy would be useless in such a scenario.

He would be such a lazy and ill-considered buy. He's not got the quality we require. He's very good at what he does, sure, but he's painfully limited. Surely you can see that? Not to mention his terrible lifestyle choices and poor attitide. He'd be an awful signing who'd do nothing but wind up our players who all live professionally to maximise their chances of winning. Virgil, Milner, Robertson and Hendo won't put up with his nonsense, that is for sure.


23.) 07 Jan 2019 14:50:52
Vardy had his chance to go to arsenal but bottled it. This is when they were in the European Cup. tbf, Leicester were too. He would prefer to be a big fish in a small pond.

There is zero point in signing Vardy. He would not work in our team, not a clever enough striker. When you look at our strikers, they are all attacking midfielders really. Okay, firmino is a CF but he likes to come deep too. I can understand werner, but not Vardy.

I tell you a player I like, a signing that really surprised me. Shurrle. I know Fulham have been poor but that lad has a touch of class and I think he could become a striker, like our attacking midfielders/ strikers.


 

 

 

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26 Aug 2019 22:33:43
ED002, hope you are well. Interested in your comment about Salah and his agent and seeking a higher profile club.

Admittedly from a position of ignorance, I would say Liverpool's profile is possibly been the highest it has ever been, so what does our profile lack what Madrid's has and is matching that only achievable through sustained success on the pitch?

Talking about club profiles, would it be fair to suggest Madrid, Barcelona and Man Utd are top tier for club profile, with the likes of Liverpool, Bayern and Juve in the next group? If so, can you see any teams moving in terms of profile and popularity?

Appreciate your time and any response.

BobbyF

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has won one cup - their profile has been much higher in the past when they would be challenging and winning most years. The club has very much changed direction now and is looking to buy success - and Klopp has gone back on his word and is right behind this. Salah wants to play for Real Madrid (or Barcelona, Juventus or PSG as they have been meeting with each of these clubs. Real Madrid wants a new poster boy still - as they haven't had one since Ronaldo. A PR agency has been working on aggresively upping the player's profile for at least a year - he went on "holiday" this summer with someone from the agency and a professional photographer in tow. They have arranged the "man of the year" nonsense, had him giving interviews about "women's rights" and a bunch of other stuff. Maybe people would have a different view if they knew of the reason for missing the Egypt games in the Spring or someone were to bring up an issue from July 2013. Right now he has no where to go even though all of the efforts to move on have happened.

Sorry but your list makes little or no sense.}


 

 

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18 Jun 2019 07:26:08
Ed025, come on now these little partnerships exist all over, not just between Liverpool and Southampton. I mean don't Everton have a history of pillaging Man Utd of its players?
Granted, it's the tosh that they want out but still, Everton have definitely got a load of loyalty points for shopping at Man Utd.

BobbyF

{Ed025's Note - it does happen at other clubs bobby but there is such a thing as overkill, for gods sake let that poor club breathe!, they will be one of the favourites to be relegated next season and its all down to liverpool, its bullying its intrusive and its unfair, get your own scouting network..


 

 

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17 Jun 2019 00:39:22
If he does come let's hope he SPRINKLES some magic rather than turning out to be a FLAKE.

Oh and please God let him take the 99 shirt number. That alone would make him a cult hero.

BobbyF

 

 

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06 Jun 2019 13:39:37
Ed002, you forgot the words 'no contact'.

I lose track but, I think, so far he had only confirmed Lemar, Werner and De Ligt signing, in that order.

We all know it is BS until confirmed on here.

BobbyF

 

 

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06 Jun 2019 13:14:50
The Firm on Twitter, yes THAT guy, is claiming we have made an offer of £68m.

Waiting on an Ed002 come back containing the words 'Bolton, 'kid', 'no contact'and 'fat'.

BobbyF

{Ed002's Note - Did the Fat Kid from Bolton tell you in which order De Ligt, Werner, Pepe, Dybala, Lemar and most of the Lyon team will be arriving this summer?}


 

 

 

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02 Sep 2019 21:19:15
I really really hope Bobby has choreographed a goal celebration should Mane score from a Salah assist in the next match.

Something akin to Mane waving his hands about having a rant and a rave at the bench.

BobbyF

 

 

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15 Aug 2019 17:23:13
Fair play Jackson. It was an entertaining game. We were too open for my liking but credit has to go to Chelsea.
They look a totally different team with Kante and showed no hangover from Sunday which was a bit of a harsh result in my opinion.
The game did underline how important Bobby is to the system - god knows what we will do if he was out for an extended period.

BobbyF

 

 

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26 Jun 2019 21:18:03
To be honest ED, console or PC, any game that allows me to sell off all my rubbish to Man Utd at inflated prices whilst selling their best players for peanuts and sending them to relegation and anonymity works for me!

BobbyF

 

 

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26 Jun 2019 10:42:29
Do you have Ismaeil Yakubu (Barnet) on your list?
Also, playing on Xbox 2002/ 3 edition, a chap called Wes Kilgannon scored bucketloads. Played for some Welsh side but can't recall which.

BobbyF

{Ed001's Note - I have added them now, it is not really known as a console game to be honest so all the ones in the list have come from the PC variant. Not sure how different it is on Xbox.}


 

 

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03 Jun 2019 20:45:20
Interested to read your views Ed001. I felt, at the time, and probably still do that we weren't quite as in as much control as you suggest.
We were very poor in possession, not being able to put any real form of passing moves together, instead relying too much on the direct ball for Mane or Salah to chase into the channels.
I also feel that had Spurs equalised when they started to push in the last 20, we may have struggled to respond. I just couldn't see that we could switch our game to that degree, if needed.
Obviously, I appreciate your more educated view on the game but interesting how two people watching the game can have such differing views.
However, I share your opinion on Alisson. he oozed confidence, class and seemed to never be out of position and was my man of the match.

BobbyF