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22 Jun 2013 11:38:16
Hi Eds and Red. Is it fair to suggest that the transfer budget has been used on these first four signings and that future player purchases will be dependent on player sales? If so, do you believe all monies made from sales would be made available for purchases? Thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the finances as it causes confusion as folks seem to struggle with anything other than the fee itself. What is paid would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number including any levy applied by the local FA.
(b) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(c) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(d) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(e) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches.
(f) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(g) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered)
(h) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, paying up insurance costs on the player, football association fees, signing on fee etc.. This was off the top of my head and I may well have forgotten something. The big numbers are the transfer fee, agent fees (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years) and possibly other intermediary fees (what do you mean you have a super agent?}


1.) Super Agent. now that's a cool job!

2.) God agents are money-grabbing *****

3.) Thanks for this insight to how it works and costs involved Ed0002 eye opener.

4.) Id love to go for a drink with you ed002 your a very knowledgeable person indeed




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20 Sep 2020 15:21:48
Seen the stats today over our defensive performance since and including the defeat at Watford in February.
Worst in the league for save %
17th in league for goals conceded
I know last season there would have been a degree of complacency with the league sown up, but we are seeing more individual errors and Allison, possibly, not proving as difficult to beat than previously.
Is it just complacency or are there more technical reasons behind, what was the best defence in the league, becoming much more leaky?


1.) 20 Sep 2020 15:54:15
The only stat that matters is league standing.



22 Jun 2019 17:11:56
On social media there is this debate over who was the biggest 'snake' in respect of leaving Liverpool - Sterling, Torres, Suarez or Coutinho.

For me, Suarez tops that list easily. Biting, racism, t shirts, Arsenal. all that activity affected the club's reputation and ultimately meant he was too much of a liability to keep against his will.
I don't think any of the other 3 did anything worse than what another pro has done at any other club and no conducted actions which affected the club's reputation.

Interested in the views of other cos social media seems to make Coutinho the bad guy.


1.) 22 Jun 2019 17:25:28
because most people on social media are fickle idiot fans that forget a player is a human being . If Torres, Owen, Coutinho etc thought they'll have a better life on warm spain than icy cold Liverpool, then no one should blame them, I'll do the same, most will do the same (but most are hypocritical idiots to admit it) . For the players you listed, Liverpool got a very good price so really was a win win situation .
Suarez is slightly different . for most of us that had the club reputation ahead of anything else . we were very happy he left, don't get me wrong he was a great footballer and we missed that . but he was a despicable human being and the further away he was from our club the better.

2.) 22 Jun 2019 17:34:31
Yeah, I'd probably agree Suarez.

Imo, Coutinho is getting more stick than the others atm because: He's the one who left most recently. He wasn't as good as Suarez, so there's less sense of 'owing' him anything for his performances. There was a sense the team as a whole was being built up to something good rather than relying on one or two players as we had done since the 90s, and he 'abandoned' us at that time instead of trying to be part of it. And finally Schadenfreude. His move hasn't worked the way he wanted it to.

Out of Sterling and Torres, I'm not sure who should get the least stick. (Apologies if my memory is wrong on any of this) :

Torres didn't refuse to train or play (at least that I've heard of), but maybe he would have if we'd tried harder to resist the move, and is alleged to have basically told the club late in the transfer window "I'm going to Chelsea, tough! ".

Sterling did refuse to go on a pre-season trip, iirc, and did that cringeworthy interview at the behest of his agent, but the way we handled him in 2014-15 was farcical. He should've been offered a new contract in the summer but wasn't, instead we waited for it to become apparent that BR was out of ideas for breaking down defences without Suarez and that another 'transition' period was in the offing, then offered him a contract. And then before Sterling or his agent said anything publically, BR started talking to the media about what a great offer he'd been given and that he should sign it. Clever.

3.) 22 Jun 2019 18:10:01
Suarez without doubt.
Torres got stick because he went to a direct rival.
But we did well out of all deals really.

4.) 22 Jun 2019 18:36:50
Torres had one knee and we sold him for 50 mil and that was a huge sum back then. He never stopped trying for us. I feel no ill will towards him at all.

Suarez is the worst human on the list withoit doubt

Owen still loves liverpool, i know he played for utd but its a bit different for players than it is for us fans

For me, the way sterling wormed his way out was shameful, the interview made everyone but city look like clowns. So as for being a snake and forcing a move its raheem for me.

Coutinio wasnt as bad as he's being made out. He really wanted to leave in the summer, Barcelona wanted him. But he gave us until January and i think it was being said that if we had a chance at the league then he would have left at the end of the season. As it was city had all but tied up the league and he left. Shame, we could have done with his magic against real madrid, we were so flat once salah was injured.

{Ed001's Note - why 'still' with regards to Owen? He treated the club with contempt while with us? Even as a kid he would turn up in Everton kit, despite turning them down to join us. He has never shown LFC any respect, so I am intrigued why you say he 'still loves Liverpool'?}

5.) 22 Jun 2019 18:41:12
Andy Carroll - he played like he was absolutely garbage virtually every game so could get a move away haha.

6.) 22 Jun 2019 19:26:27
I think Torres was sold false promise by bill and Ben back then (H&G) about new signings etc so u can’t begrudge nando as for the others they just wanted to play for bigger clubs in Barcelona and real part in parcel but I think Owen was the biggest snake!

7.) 22 Jun 2019 19:30:04
Couts and Suarez for sure for me. Suarez because of what has already been very well documented above. Couts for me not because it is the most recent, but the way he behaved before his ultimate move to Barca. The fake back injury, the sulking and the way he gave up if he lost the ball. He acted petulant in my opinion. Another one that hasn't been mentioned is Javier Mascherano. Just pitiful. But Ed001 makes really good points about Owen. I really can't blame Torres for wanting to leave at that point in time.

8.) 22 Jun 2019 20:34:22
For some reason, [some] Liverpool fans seem to have this assumption that our players should be die hard LFC fans, desiring to play out the rest of their careers at the club, and go on to retire as LFC legends.

Footballers are human beings, with dreams and ambitions which do not usually revolve around the club; they may be career related, family related, money related, religion related, etc.

They also have feelings and anyone can suffer depression, anxiety, etc. This can affect performance, attitude, desire, etc. Feelings can cause a decent bloke to behave unusually, just look at how poorly Torres performed towards the end of his LFC days - he just had no desire whatsoever.

I, myself, left a job in the past in order to seek pastures new. I went from being one of the hardest workers to not being arsed at all due to depression, and then I packed it in and moved away, and the move was probably one of the best decisions I ever made. For footballers bound by such great contracts, sometimes forcing the move is the only option. For a player suffering depression I can only imagine how much greater the burden would be, being told that you must see out the remaining 3 years of your contract. Would this not worsen the depression and the symptoms?

Unfortunately, the technology addicted fans of today look at footballers as robots or FIFA players; without dreams, ambitions, feelings etc. They do not take into consideration that there may be underlying factors leading players to seek a move away from the club.

9.) 22 Jun 2019 20:37:10
Suarez for me. It even felt as though that bite at the world cup was deliberate in his way to get out of the club so that we'd take a lower offer. Absolutely vile human being.

Another player, while I know he never stepped a foot wrong for the club, is Steve Mcmanaman. I think he should have showed a desire to move to La Liga and been honest about it so that Liverpool could have got a decent fee for him. It just came out of the blue. We all thought he was about to sign a contract extension and then BANG, he's sign a pre-contract with Real Madrid.

I know it's the club's fault deep down, but he'd have fetched a pretty penny back then and if he'd have been up front about his desire, the club would have acted differently. I actually put the loss of Stevie Mac as one of the pinnacle moments in our decline/ failure to rise back up. He's still one of the most skillful players I've seen in a red shirt for us.

10.) 23 Jun 2019 02:24:14
In the champions league final, linekar introduced owen and said "liverpool through and through of course" and owen nodded. I felt there was a little dig at him by gary, since he did play for utd and left us for such a low fee.

But i remember last years final, owen was asked who he thought would win. He said in his heart he wanted liverpool to win but his head said real. that's respect surely? Owen may have been a blue but he isn't now. Same with gerrard isn't it?

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard was never a blue.}



02 Jun 2019 21:04:12
This may seem like a silly question but what does the result last night do for the commercial side of the club?
After the 2005 CL win, I don't recall us making massive strides commercially, but that might be the passage of time growing increasingly fuzzy.
Is it that we are pretty much at the top of our game, commercially, already or does winning the CL open further options that defeat last night wouldn't have presented?


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are in a good place commercially and this will provide the club with improved opportunities.}

1.) 02 Jun 2019 22:32:21
ed002 how big is football growing in the us now, And how good is Christian Pulisic and did we miss a trick in not trying to sign him for commercial growth over there .

{Ed002's Note - It is growing still and they are way ahead on ladies soccer. The quality is improving but it is a mix of very good American players, some good fringe players from elsewhere and generally older and/or fringe players from Europe. Training camps for youngsters in the US are some of the best in the world and much of that is down to a couple of individuals from Europe that got it running, in particular a Scot who moved out there in 1976 and never returned, and several European sides that have provided funding to help it grow.

I have said many times that players should not be signed for commercial growth, but I am well aware it happens. Pulisic is a well respected youngster and is, being American, bright - and that helps a lot. He will, I suspect, do well in London but you are only going to give yourselves stress if you start thinking (again), "oh boy we missed him".

Thanks for the question - a good one.}

2.) 02 Jun 2019 23:11:11
thanks for a great reply ed002 would not have wanted him just for his commercial growth but think if he is as good as everybody said its a double bonus for Chelsea.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea are also very well placed commercially so that was not the reason he was signed. But there was a simple reason.}

3.) 02 Jun 2019 23:27:09
Ed02, by chance is that Scot Charlie Cooke?

{Ed002's Note - It is, I didn’t think any of you would know him.}

4.) 03 Jun 2019 03:02:47
Yeah ed a good friend of mine went over a few years ago and he's been coaching teen youth sides since. The local talent isn't the strongest, but the facilities are top class, he's sent me pictures of training grounds and set ups that would amaze you how close they compare to the top level pro standards used here.

The infrastructure is perfect. I guess it's just the fact that the US have many more popular sports ahead of "soccer", any talented young athletic sporty kids will more likely be introduced to the main sports first. Local young talent will only be gain as the sport increases in popularity and interest.

Was always going to take plenty of time but I actually feel the MLS is growing faster than I would have thought. There are some young lads with big potential throughout Europe now. Mckennie, Adams, pulisic all teenagers playing regularly in bundesliga. Timothy weah too looks a prospect. And the lad Davies at bayern but I think he might be Canadian. MLS can be a sensible stepping stone too, many young South Americans are lately turning heads. Couple of argentinian boys in particular should get their moves to Europe soon. In the past though, many have struggled to make the step up but the quality is improving for sure.

{Ed002's Note - I would agree.}

5.) 03 Jun 2019 10:43:45
Yeah, I grew up in Memphis where he was a player and later coach for our NASL team. He was one of my favorites. I think he moved to Cincinnati?

{Ed002's Note - He did but he is now settled in California.}

6.) 03 Jun 2019 12:39:21
oh, good for him. I hope and trust he is doing well. If you speak with him again, please let him know he has a fan who remembers his Memphis days.

{Ed002's Note - I will do. I last saw him when he was visiting England to see an old coleague of his who is in pretty poor shape.}



10 May 2019 21:47:09
Ed002, can you see the ban for Raola having an impact on some of his clients ambitions this summer? Would they seek a new agent and would doing so make them more attractive prospects to certain clubs? Thanks.


{Ed002's Note - No, why would the seek new agents?}

1.) 11 May 2019 16:06:19
I wasn't sure if the ban would hamper any moves planned for his clients. In which case, if it did and they were set on moves this summer, would they seek a new agent?

However, you know the industry so I wouldn't question your reply. Thanks bud. Have a great weekend.

{Ed002's Note - None of them have a need for a new agent.}



08 May 2019 22:13:43
Ajax looked shot and Spurs demonstrated the tenacity and power of the English game, just as we did last night. Fair play to them, at half time they didn't have a chance.
Let's hope the fact that we have been there before and have a decent record against Spurs counts for something on June 1st.


1.) 08 May 2019 23:25:47
terrible defending on that last goal. that won't happen to us.

2.) 09 May 2019 08:40:57
Stone, it was terrible defending cos Ajax defenders were spent, physically. They were getting bullied physically, something Ruud Gullit said was their greatest weakness in the Eredivisie and Poch prolly knew that. They could not cope and eventually, they cracked.

3.) 09 May 2019 11:01:37
fair enough redwolf.




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18 Sep 2020 18:31:48
Absolutely Drogie and that was was when they were playing only 3 up front.
Not to mention Chelsea have 7 forwards.
I would be disappointed to see Brewster go though. I think he would have more to offer than Origi and Shaq in time.




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07 Jul 2020 22:31:36
One tweeter points out that the FKFB resident German footie expert was his African footie expert only 2 years ago. Seemingly, Hanz is an expert wherever the FKFB needs him to be or, dare I say it, where his BS fits best.




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16 Jun 2020 20:25:46
I am just imagining VVD playing as Sweeper in a back 3 with a licence to move into midfield, akin to Sammer in the early 90s.

What a sight that would be to behold. VVD, striding effortlessly across the turf, advancing up the pitch. The opposition not knowing whether to engage him or simply watch his majestic prowess with awe.

30 yds from goal and with a graceful strike with his right foot, the ball arrows in the top corner.

I need a lie down.




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26 Aug 2019 22:33:43
ED002, hope you are well. Interested in your comment about Salah and his agent and seeking a higher profile club.

Admittedly from a position of ignorance, I would say Liverpool's profile is possibly been the highest it has ever been, so what does our profile lack what Madrid's has and is matching that only achievable through sustained success on the pitch?

Talking about club profiles, would it be fair to suggest Madrid, Barcelona and Man Utd are top tier for club profile, with the likes of Liverpool, Bayern and Juve in the next group? If so, can you see any teams moving in terms of profile and popularity?

Appreciate your time and any response.


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has won one cup - their profile has been much higher in the past when they would be challenging and winning most years. The club has very much changed direction now and is looking to buy success - and Klopp has gone back on his word and is right behind this. Salah wants to play for Real Madrid (or Barcelona, Juventus or PSG as they have been meeting with each of these clubs. Real Madrid wants a new poster boy still - as they haven't had one since Ronaldo. A PR agency has been working on aggresively upping the player's profile for at least a year - he went on "holiday" this summer with someone from the agency and a professional photographer in tow. They have arranged the "man of the year" nonsense, had him giving interviews about "women's rights" and a bunch of other stuff. Maybe people would have a different view if they knew of the reason for missing the Egypt games in the Spring or someone were to bring up an issue from July 2013. Right now he has no where to go even though all of the efforts to move on have happened.

Sorry but your list makes little or no sense.}



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18 Jun 2019 07:26:08
Ed025, come on now these little partnerships exist all over, not just between Liverpool and Southampton. I mean don't Everton have a history of pillaging Man Utd of its players?
Granted, it's the tosh that they want out but still, Everton have definitely got a load of loyalty points for shopping at Man Utd.


{Ed025's Note - it does happen at other clubs bobby but there is such a thing as overkill, for gods sake let that poor club breathe!, they will be one of the favourites to be relegated next season and its all down to liverpool, its bullying its intrusive and its unfair, get your own scouting network..




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01 Oct 2020 22:38:04
Wilson hasn't played in any game this season and was played out of position.

I don't think Harry is quite good enough to make a career at the club, but there were clear reasons for his display not being to the level of others and is a bit harsh to judge him on that performance.




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24 Aug 2020 19:04:38
If we sign Thiago, doesn't Fabinho become a viable 4th choice at CB, if we need experience there?
Not necessarily my preference but finances and standard of opposition may dictate that.
More and more we see players utilised acrossa variety of roles; Alaba, Fernandinho, Milner etc, could this be another example for this coming season?




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11 Jun 2020 18:43:21
Robert Rosario ed? 🙂.


{Ed001's Note - erm he seems to have been overlooked.}



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18 Jan 2020 00:31:05
Fowler flick over his and the defenders head was in a UEGA cup tie against Brann, I believe.

My favourite, as has already been mentioned is John Barnes 2nd v QPR in 1987.

I also loved the 4th goal, I think, v Forest in the same season when Barnes put it through the legs of Chettle before pulling it back for Beardsley.
That season was something else.




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09 Dec 2019 21:44:44
And that one defeat was courtesy of something like 11mm. Stunning record and just hope the team can get through the next 4-5 weeks unscathed.