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17 Oct 2021 23:15:01
I'm constantly impressed by Declan Rice, and think he will be a top top player. Are Liverpool or any others showing serious interest in him? I know we have Fabinho but I imagine he could play higher up the pitch if necessary.


{Ed002's Note - Manchester United are keen.}

1.) 18 Oct 2021 07:45:02
Why would he take a step down to go to Man U?

2.) 18 Oct 2021 09:29:43
He’ll end up at United or Chelsea, West Ham want £100m for him so he’s not in our price range.

3.) 18 Oct 2021 10:25:20
Who is better Rice or Phillips?

4.) 18 Oct 2021 11:42:36
Phillips better passer. Rice better engine and all round I reckon.

5.) 18 Oct 2021 12:15:53
Really don't get the hype with Rice. £30m player with an inflated fee IMO.

6.) 18 Oct 2021 12:45:31
Not for me. Massively hyped up by the media imo. Not sure what he brings tbh.

7.) 18 Oct 2021 13:10:27
Rice is on a completely different level than Phillips. Phillips is a fine player, but Rice is one of the best talents in England right now.

8.) 18 Oct 2021 14:34:02
Mftonjes can you explain why you think he's one of the best talents? I couldn't disagree more but I respect your opinion 👌.

9.) 18 Oct 2021 15:11:34
I personally think Phillips is too slow and not defensively strong enough, whereas Rice is better defensively, he’s also not particularly quick and is as mobile as the QE2 and I don’t think he’s as clever a defensive player as either Fabinho or Rodri.

Either way he’ll be United’s big summer signing next year and Ole’s final piece of the jigsaw #1426 and counting.

{Ed0666's Note - Are we comparing Nat Philips to Declan Rice? They play completely different positions

10.) 18 Oct 2021 15:14:09
I am impressed with Rice too.
He keeps, carries and distributes the ball excellently.
Better than Gini for sure.
Not the same kind of player as Fab.
Probably more of a Henderson replacement.

The thing is, I have been looking at midfielders in every team and see which can improve Liverpool. Ty
Despite the constant criticism of Liverpool midfield, there aren't that many better I would take.
If you consider KDB, for sure he will improve the team.
Otherwise, I think Rice will do a job (far better than Phillips) .

And we truly miss Gerrard.
If the current team has a Gerrard, we will indisputably the best team in the world.

{Ed0666's Note - Rice is a superb player goes about his work in an efficient and effective manner and would certainly be a worthy successor to Hendo. The midfield player I would take is Ndombele if Bissouma has been a naughty boy. That fella is mercurial. Lord knows what position he plays because he’s everywhere.

11.) 18 Oct 2021 17:10:32
Ndombele or bissouma Ed?

{Ed0666's Note - I think Ndombele would be perfect for us with the personnel we have

12.) 18 Oct 2021 19:25:44
Tielemans without doubt he is different from what we have.

{Ed0666's Note - inconsistent tho no?

13.) 18 Oct 2021 22:11:24
I meant Phillips at Leeds United Ed.

{Ed0666's Note - thanks for cleaning that up mate. I was beginning to think I’d lost all my faculties. For sure Rice over Philips for me. Rice is a Hendo in the making

14.) 18 Oct 2021 22:24:50
Can’t compete with Newcastle. Am sure they’ll want him.

15.) 19 Oct 2021 09:39:59
I agree I think Rice would be a great Hendo successor, it’s a pity he is likely too expensive for us.

16.) 19 Oct 2021 12:28:35
Rice miles better than Gini. I know there are Gini haters on here but get a grip. Rice is slow. Often poorly positioned. Average passer. He’s a slightly better Dier IMO and massively overhyped by the press (for a change) .

17.) 19 Oct 2021 13:07:09
But Ed Ndombele has baggage, too. He seems to have a real attitude problem that's causing issues at Spurs.

18.) 19 Oct 2021 13:11:30
Gandalf, I just love the player. First, he's highly skilled and intelligent. There's something instinctual to the way he plays, especially for a guy who is often in the defensive half. To that point, he's plays difficult positions, ones that often takes a lot of experience to master, and he's doing it really well as a very young player. Also the age is relevant too, because he's playing for a club that isn't well known for development, and he continues to improve each season and likely in a trial by fire situation. I don't watch him regularly, rather a handful of times a season, and every time I've watched him I've thought he's been better than the last time I watched him. There are few players that stand out to me like this.

No player is a perfect player, but it really feels like there is a student of the craft in him and given his base skillset, he has a ton to work with. I see him being one of the best (potentially the best) English midfielders of the next decade. There's a reason why United and supposedly City are both wanting him badly.

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath for Rice.}

19.) 19 Oct 2021 13:24:33
Ed002 - Ha, I agree. I don't believe there is a fit between him and Liverpool at all, I was just telling Gandalf why I like the player. He's already too high priced for Liverpool.

20.) 19 Oct 2021 20:47:03
for me Ndombele looks great in spells then you don't know his on the pitch a lot of the time for spurs. But when he does put a spell in his great on the ball I don't think the prem suits him. A better version of Naby but not a player for a full season in the prem for me. Bissouma if he has not done anything wrong would be a lot better fit. As for Rice being a Henderson replacement I think I would rather Curtis Jones do that.

21.) 20 Oct 2021 20:13:17
Ed0666 agree with you that rice is the closest thing to Hendo. Tielemans only 24 so consistently would improve don’t you think?

{Ed0666's Note - he needs to finesse and hone his game some more in my opinion and add consistency

22.) 21 Oct 2021 07:41:36
Whilst I think Rice is good I think he is overhyped because he is English. In terms of us I do not think we would be a good fit. He is not a Hendo type player as he doesn’t have the fitness or passing range of Hendo. He would do a job in defensive midfield but the lack of direct creativity from our central midfielders overall makes us quite reliant on the passing range of Fabinho which is very understated. He would be overly expensive and not an upgrade on our strongest 11 which should always be the aim.

23.) 23 Oct 2021 01:20:06
Still hating on Gini. SMH

I don't see why we would sign a midfielder. Even if you are looking for someone to replace Henderson in the future, Curtis is that player for me. If there HAS to be a premier league player out of the ones you have listed, I would like Tielemans. And not because he flukes balls into the top corner against United :)

24.) 23 Oct 2021 20:26:09

West ham aren't known for nurturing talent?
West ham have nurtured some of the best talent that's played in the premiership over the past 20 years. lampard, ferdinand, defoe, joe cole are only a few.

Declan rice is a great player though and west ham would do well to keep him. tielemans has stagnated in his career considering he was considered amongst the best up coming talent in the world as a teenager though he's still only 24. bellingham is worth a mention if were talking young english midfielders.
Seen that papers are linking us for a move for sterling again now too.

Fact is we have a decent squad that can compete when the majority stays fit.
Id be much happier with a double pivot fab and hendo and drop firmino into AM and play with an out and out striker.



11 Jan 2018 10:03:38
Heard from a good source that Ceballos is 'nailed on' to join before the window closes. No idea how my source knows but works within football and simply passed it on, make of it what you will.

Personally I would be a bit underwhelmed if the de facto replacement for Coutinho was Ceballos as seems a marked step down in quality but hey ho let's see what materialises.


1.) 11 Jan 2018 10:37:30
Why are people saying he is the replacement of coutinho? What if we are taking advantage of his situation at madrid?

Although I agree that he is not a Coutinho replacement, I think he is a good player and would be a good acquisition for the squad looking forward.

2.) 11 Jan 2018 10:55:19
Yes we ain't going to replace coutihno he is a world class Brazil international, but what we can do is strengthen the areas we are weak in we lack creative spark in midfield an someone who can manipulate the ball he is a gamble but could also turn out too b real quality well worth a punt especially if we can get keita early as well suddenly midfield is lookin healthy freeing up the attack, ox, mane, Salah, firmino, lallana, solanke, sturridge, nice options, still I would like us too buy an attacker like lemar, mahrez, suso, draxler wishful thinking though.

3.) 11 Jan 2018 12:00:02
I wonder if we will hear from wonder dog sparky?

4.) 11 Jan 2018 13:53:12
Hi eds i'm going to need your email addresses, mothers maiden names and the names of your first pets. uh. for science

Seriously though I hope we can do something like this, the buzz the club had post VVD left along with Phil.

5.) 11 Jan 2018 22:02:17
Coutinho was crap in midfield. Addressing the balance there would be an upgrade.

6.) 11 Jan 2018 22:39:08
Faith, he wasn’t really crap in midfield though was he? He played most games in midfield this season and had one of his best (half) seasons.

7.) 12 Jan 2018 19:12:12
our midfield is very weak at the moment, and could be the weakness that City will try and take control over, we really need at least one top player coming in this window, the name I have is the big guy from Roma,




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27 Dec 2023 04:14:58
Question for Ed001: What do you think of the Endo signing now we're roughly halfway through the season? I thought we'd made a mistake in summer but I've been pleasantly surprised. He is not the quickest but he reads the game really well and seems to get to the second ball, and press opponents, very effectively. My only gripe is his passing can be a bit wayward towards the end of games when he's tiring but I think he has been the sort of midfielder we need. How do you assess him at this stage?


{Ed001's Note - I said when we signed him that I liked what I knew of him and had seen of him. He does struggle with the pace in the Prem and you can see him tire in the final minutes, but that will come with games. He makes a massive difference to the team, making it much more solid. In fact Livebird just sent me some stats about how much of a difference.

According to Sly Sports we have played 16 games with him and 9 without, gaining 2.8 points per game with and 0.3 without. We have also conceded only 9 goals with him and 19 without, facing many less shots and all of our clean sheets have been achieved when he has played. I can believe it as I think he is very good and we just need to keep him fit and healthy now for the rest of the season!}

1.) 27 Dec 2023 04:43:22
For a player w/ o preseason with us, already 30, playing in PL for first time, I think he’s done really well
And while it would have been better if he had more pace and stamina, with the latter coming as he adjusts even more to the PL, perhaps he is as good as he is because he never had much pace to begin with and had to rely on good reading of the game, positioning, anticipation, tackling, closing down spaces

I do like it also once awhile he Fouls when needed. Too often I think our midfield was bypassed as we played too ‘cleanly’. We shouldn’t aim to foul but when we need to, we should to give ourselves a chance to reorganise and defend better.

2.) 27 Dec 2023 05:49:32
Endo has been a fantastic. IMO has made the CDM recruitment a non-priority until the summer or possibly even the following summer depending how Baj continues to grow and mature.

{Ed025's Note - fantastic Faith?..hmmmm..

3.) 27 Dec 2023 05:56:28
What about Gravenbech Ed? I don't know what to say about him really. He looks very good when coming as a subs but when he started the match, he doesn't offer much. Him driving with ball forward is a good trait that can be developed but defensively he can be a bit of non factor.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think he was the right signing.}

4.) 27 Dec 2023 07:13:06
Couldn’t agree more. Jones and Elliot both easily ahead of him.

5.) 27 Dec 2023 07:15:39
First couple of games he was alright but since then he’s had fatigue injury though he hasn’t played much and it’s mid season and whether he’s started or come on as sub, he’s been poor
The recent Arsenal game comes to mind, the moment he came on, we lost our midfield battle and attacking impetus.

6.) 27 Dec 2023 07:21:39
Ed25, be nice about Endo
So that Santa will grant u a belated present by winning in your next game
And trust me, I’m purely wishing u well in your next game and stand nothing to gain from u winning it
Cheers! ?.

{Ed025's Note - i think Endo has done ok sg but nothing more than that, but it is typical Liverpool supporters who will label him "fantastic" and no doubt "world class" will be mentioned next mate, i cant believe you are top of the league the way you have been playing actually but you are getting results and thats the main thing of course..

7.) 27 Dec 2023 07:56:17
25 - we can go around in circles on this but for me he has done well to get himself up to speed in a short time. Is he prime fabinho? Obviously not. But for me I think he is saving us rushing to waste money on a CDM we don’t want in Jan and buying us time to see what we have in Baj and how he grows.
Ill take that.

{Ed025's Note - he has done well Faith...he has done his job, but i think we can draw the line at "fantastic" mate, a Rodri or a Declan Rice can be in that bracket but lets not kid ourselves that he is anywhere near that level..

8.) 27 Dec 2023 08:06:27
On other note Ed1, wouldn't it be great if Nunez got Jota's finishing ability and Jota got Nunez's movement.

{Ed001's Note - Jota's movement is not too bad, it is his passing that really needs work.}

9.) 27 Dec 2023 09:31:49
Jota's movement is great mate. He is at the end of so many passes. He also has good chemistry with Trent. But he is so inconsistent with his passing and link up, it's a shame. Otherwise he would be one of the first names on the team sheet.

10.) 27 Dec 2023 10:06:33
Mate i don't know how to post that image here? Can you post that insane stat of endo ed01?

{Ed001's Note - go to the sightings page mate.}

11.) 27 Dec 2023 08:32:44
No one is comparing him to Rice or Rodri though Ed who, as you said, are "fantastic players". Endo has come in and provided what we are lacking in the team. On that front, he has been "fantastic" for us in that particular context. Are there better players out there who can do what he does better? Most definitely and you would be hard pressed to find a fan who thinks otherwise. But he has done a great job for us since coming into the team and he rightly deserves the praise that the fanbase is giving him now.

{Ed025's Note - as i said Drac he has done well, i just baulk a bit with the superlatives and the over-egging you all use about your players mate..

12.) 27 Dec 2023 09:06:40
25 - all semantics ed. It's like saying Andre Gomes is the best middielder in the universe. and he may very well be the best midfielder in the universe for everton.

SO in the same way, Endo has done a fantastic job giving us what we've needed in that position that was an obvious gap going into the season!

{Ed025's Note - i will give you that one know me so well, and i never used the word universe...i think it was galaxy mate.. :)

13.) 27 Dec 2023 09:50:08
Ed025 I hope your well mate. When you say “you can’t believe we are top of the league the way we have been playing” can you elaborate a little for me please? I think we have scored about the most goals, let in the least, had the most injuries apart from maybe Newcastle, bought in a whole new midfield, been on the wrong end of VAR decisions like the basket ball play in our area against Arsenal. Been playing Thursdays and Sundays as well as still in both cup competitions. Are you thinking of the 1 or 2 chances we give the opposition in lost games which is a result of us being so attacking? Very hard to have 25-30 attempts at goal every game and. It conceded any chances on the break. Be just a interest in your response as ever please mate as you’ve made it sound like we’ve played rubbish every game, had all the decisions in our favour, had no injury’s and played teams from the 3rd tier every week?

{Ed025's Note - you have not been rubbish DTD...just a bit boring, you have got the rub of the green in a lot of games with deflections and lucky bounces etc mate, even though you may not have had all decisions go for you when you have they have been game changing ones and have changed draws into wins and losses into draws, you do deserve to be top i would say and thats due to the quality of your forwards and the excellence of VVD and especially Alisson, for me the quality of the top teams has been poorer than i can ever remember which is why there have been a spate of shock results, just my humble opinion of course..

14.) 27 Dec 2023 10:08:20
Ed025 we don't need a rodri or rice. We need someone who won't hinder the path of bajcetic.

{Ed025's Note - Bajcetic looks a fine young prospect Liverbird, no doubt he will be hailed as world class when he comes back...even if thats because he has made 2 passes in a row...because thats what you lot do mate.. :)

15.) 27 Dec 2023 11:40:09
Hehe sorry for asking here and there. I posted in sightings ?.

16.) 27 Dec 2023 11:45:49
Jota doesn’t backheel it enough in the box for my liking.

On Endo the lads been ok. I think the Arsenal game was by far his best game and some of his passing between the lines can also be very good.

It was said on here that we needed a proper Dm to play as it would stop teams openly coming through our middle and it would allow us and our midfielders to play better.

Endo started and Dm against Sheff and the league games we’ve played with a DM are

Sheff Utd

Apart from Arsenal collectively as a team we haven’t played well, other midfielders who were meant to excel under a Dm (dom in particular) are struggling and we’re still being over ran in the middle.

This probably sounds like an Endo bashing but it’s not. The lads done ok it’s more that it’s not just a Dm fixes our problems.

Endo possibly gone for up to 5 weeks after Newcastle so it will be interesting to see who Klopp puts there. It’ll probably be Mac who will then get the brunt of frustrations when we aren’t playing well and exposed in the middle.

17.) 27 Dec 2023 11:53:52
Ed025 cheers for your reply mate you’re entitled to your opinion of course like I am and like we all are. We don’t have to agree all of the time and I don’t agree with what you’re saying here. In what way you think we are boring is beyond me. We attack the opposition team who ever we play, commit players forward and create chance after chance yet you say we are boring. Words fail me. We’ve had game changing decisions go our way? lol Ed025 I love you to bits but your as bitter as they come me old fruit. If the major decisions had gone out way we would be an extra 5 points clear at the top.

Merry christmas mate.

{Ed025's Note - im sitting here in my blue bobble hat while i type DTD so you may have a point....all the best my friend.. :)

18.) 27 Dec 2023 12:27:56
I think Endo is turning out to be a shrewd signing. From my viewpoint his best is better than Fabinho's worst, and we were not seeing top level Fabinho for easily a year and maybe two. Endo is certainly not world class, but I wouldn't disagree with his having put in a few fantastic performances, till date. The occasional errors do happen but nowhere to the degree of a Nunez (aka "Captain Offside" and Captain Woodwork" ?) or a Salah. He's perfect for the bench if we get more ambitious and buy a better DM, otherwise I don't see Klopp sweating heavily over the position. Endo is proving himself to be an "iron man" of sorts: started 5 consecutive games in 13 days. The kind of stuff VVD and Salah pull off, on which everyone fawns over.

19.) 27 Dec 2023 12:30:18
I’ve been impressed by Endo. His passing is better than people think he fizzes it through the lines really well. He got caught on the ball quite a bit against Palace but since then he pops the ball off much quicker.

He is much better in the air than you’d think with his lack of height and he even offers a decent goal threat.

He’s not perfect, maybe a bit slow but he reads the game well and wins most of his tackles so I’d say so far so good.

If his name was Endinio and he was Brazilian there would be much more noise about him.

20.) 27 Dec 2023 12:34:00
Its a shame for Endo Ed1, as he is starting to get better with each game but now has to go away on Asian Cup. Hoping he can maintain his performance once coming back from Asian Cup.

{Ed001's Note - I had forgotten about that.}

21.) 27 Dec 2023 12:35:34
Good to see Everton on the up and Dyche is getting the best out of the squad he has. I have to say I love your assessment of the Liverpool squad, always makes me smile (good old banter from back in the day) . We have about 2 or 3 who aren’t bad, a couple who are ok, about a dozen who are nothing special and about 10 who aren’t any good. I guess living in Oz I must be seeing the table upside down?

22.) 27 Dec 2023 12:49:45
nobody labelled Endo world class, either. Endo for a guy written off from the off cos people don't know who he is (hence, must be trash cos footie is that binary), did not cost 115m and cos he played for a struggling Stuttgart team who btw, he helped stay up by scoring the goal to save them from relegation in the final game of the 21/ 22 season, has been absolutely brilliant for us overall esp. over the last 6 games.

Just look at his games vs Utd and esp. Arsenal where he more than held his own vs Declan Rice and he was fantastic (no, he did not just do alright) in that game despite playing the whole second half on a yellow card. Hence, Endo has shown he is a big game player and the occasion does not phase him. In fact the bigger the game, the better he plays, as both perfs. in both games showed. Really happy for him cos I never quit on him like many did and the best thing is, he will only get better.

23.) 27 Dec 2023 12:46:07
Endo has been brilliant in the past 6 games esp. vs Utd and Arsenal where he more than held his own vs Declan Rice despite playing the whole 2nd half on a yellow card. Also, Endo is a big game player and and seems to play his best the bigger the games are. That's elite mentality right there, IMO. I hope he keeps improving and in fact, I think with the right coaches and players around him, he could even get better and better.

24.) 27 Dec 2023 17:56:53
I'm definitely not enjoying anything Everton do lol. Still bang in trouble with Luton getting a few wins. Couple of losses and right back in it! Sorry 25.

{Ed025's Note - i hope thats more in hope than expectation Marty, when we get some or if not all our deducted points back we will be well clear of relegation mate, i do hope we get a result tonight though as it would be a shame if city were to beat us and be right back in the race...wouldn,t it?,, :)

25.) 27 Dec 2023 18:47:37
Marty, all we need Everton to do is slow City down tonight. Apart from that, Everton can do what they want.

26.) 28 Dec 2023 09:34:38
City will be right back in it anyway. Helps when most decisions seem to go their way.

27.) 28 Dec 2023 17:08:48
Agree Ed001, Endo has looked a far more natural fit at DM, and the team has benefited. Do not feel like a DM is such a priority now, which is testament to Endo’s performances, shame about the Asian cup.



Liverpool vs Manchester United Overview

19 Dec 2023 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool vs Manchester United Overview


1.) 19 Dec 2023 08:35:35
Just a note on Salah I think we are see a definitely decline in his play this season. Don’t get me wrong he will still score a lot of goals I just feel we are seeing more bad performances sneaking in.

2.) 19 Dec 2023 09:13:23
Personally if we have a declining right sided attacker who will score or assist in 40 - 50 goals this season or a ‘striker’ who, to quote Dave Bassett, “couldn’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo”, I know who my choice for first pick on the team sheet would be.

3.) 19 Dec 2023 10:19:57
Spot on with all you said, Ed01. The inverted FB stuff has been done to death so won't comment on that. Also as many people have said, we just made very poor decisions in the final third with when and how to do things effectively. That's all the game boiled down to.

Sure Utd played deep BUT we have seen this team be able to batter teams who play deep lots of times over the years cos we move the ball quicker and more incisively to open them up and Utd were there to be had, for sure. This is why I keep saying we are a work in progress cos Klopp 1.0 struggled a lot with Parked buses and as soon as we got it right, we smashed them for fun finishing with 90+ points and a near 100 points season when we strolled the league in 19/ 20.

This team has a couple of gears to go so hopefully, they will continue to work hard and improve cos I think we are really good and have the potential to be great over the coming years overall.

{Ed001's Note - that wasn't me.}

4.) 19 Dec 2023 11:14:24
Ed01 sorry, it wasn't you who did what?

{Ed001's Note - I never said anything in this thread Oli.}

5.) 19 Dec 2023 11:22:03
There were many games in the past when we failed to break the defense even when we didn't employ the inverted full back thing.

There was no lack of intensity from the players. There is a lack of pattern in the play. It feels so chaotic like Nunez. Quite a bit of first half was messed up by miss passes from Szobozlai in the final third. There were some really decent situations and we could have really taken advantage of, but couldn't. He clearly had a bad day.

And nothing of note came from Nunez except for an unprovoked shove to Evans which resulted in a yellow card mid way through first half. I was worried all game that he would see a second yellow. Luckily that didn't happen. Salah was pretty poor until Nunez was playing. The link-up play seemed to improve when he was subbed. I think the lad needs some goals desperately to get his confidence back. There is no lack of trying, but we need a bit more quality to win the league.

6.) 19 Dec 2023 11:50:24
Oli, the article was written by Seano_.

7.) 19 Dec 2023 12:00:20
In our last five games we have scored 10 goals, only one by a forward.
We haven't being playing well since befor the Luton game.

8.) 19 Dec 2023 12:02:58
We went to a flat back 4 in the second half and it didn’t change our intensity and the 2nd half Utd had their 2 best chances whether that’s a coincidence or not.

I’m not saying inverted full back is the problem or the answer because I’ve never left a game of football overly concerned about our formation especially over the result or performance.

We have the players that can cause any team in world football problems when we are in possession but the last few games especially we look like a sports car with the handbrake on and 4 wheel clamps.

And that’s with the inverted full back or flat back 4.

9.) 19 Dec 2023 12:12:36
Did it surprise you @ArAy :)

10.) 19 Dec 2023 12:14:36
@Jk23. according to OLi mate we are in a rebuild. so no more dicussion. Agree with you. What jack arse did we do after going back to a flat back 4? precisly nothing.

11.) 19 Dec 2023 12:43:06
I know it's difficult for you Harry, but try to be nice. ?.

12.) 19 Dec 2023 12:43:39
Oh, sorry Ed01. I thought you wrote the review.

Nice one, @Seano_.

{Ed001's Note - no mate, mine isn't done as I was out all day yesterday.}

13.) 19 Dec 2023 12:51:08
Harry, we are in a rebuild and that's a fact regardless of what position we currently hold in the standings. You yourself said preseason that we would finish midtable and now our issues be damned, we are 2nd.

So here's a thought: Why don't you do many of us a favor and go home and try to make up your mind as to which narrative you are going to stick to till the end of the season cos right.

Is it the Preseason Harry? Or are you going to keep waffling around and changing your tune on a weekly basis depending on where the wind blows as in, the results du jour? And by all means, take your time.

14.) 19 Dec 2023 13:01:23
We are not in any sort of rebuild, We are a fully functional team that somehow can't score goals. you call this as some sort of magnetic correndum? You often talk about the system issue, what is the issue with the system other than full backs not bombing up and down?
who told you only the full backs are supposed to provide the width? which book is that? please refer me? wingers can also provide width. Two of the three best teams in the league (arsenal and City) are successfully playing this way.

Gakpo should be playing on the Left wing and not on the right and that has no relevane to neitehr a rebuild nor the system.
Diaz can't beat a man nor dribble past anyone and that is not down to a rebuild process or system.
Nunez can't hit a barn doow and that is not down to a rebuild in process.

We have 7 central midfeilders. all of them are offensive, this system is a tailor made of those midfielders to influence the game and that includes scoring goals.

So if we beat arsenal by a 5 goal margin i assume our rebuild is over then lol.

15.) 19 Dec 2023 13:43:21
But we still need a DM?

16.) 19 Dec 2023 14:40:31
Think Harry's hit the nail on the head with his last thoughts. I am quite thick and struggle to write/ type the way Harry puts his views across.
Gotta say I am really enjoying Harry and Oli on here of late, it's nice to get a good discussion going.

17.) 19 Dec 2023 16:21:48
Salah has been fantastic this season creating and scoring. He can’t do it all by himself he needs other top forwards to play with.

{Ed025's Note - really Onekiss ?, i think he has been very underwhelming by his own very high standards mate, still a very good goal and assist record but gives the ball away too much and has been very wasteful for me, and im a big fan..

18.) 19 Dec 2023 16:41:22
The only problem I have with Harry’s comments is when he says ‘We are not in a rebuild’ I’m not sure who he is talking about. Surely if Harry says we he means Man City. Isn’t that his team.

19.) 19 Dec 2023 17:31:51
Where are you located @Negative. Doesn’t matter I am going to chart a private flight to meet you ????.

20.) 19 Dec 2023 18:00:25
Cue the intro music from "The Love Boat". ?.

21.) 19 Dec 2023 18:34:21
fun fact. in Klopp's tenure as Liverpool manager, excluding his first part-season in charge we've scored an average of 38 goals after 17 games played. This season we have 36.
hardly call that "can't score"
The conversation is fun but it's gets turned into dumb when random comments are put forward as absolute facts.

22.) 19 Dec 2023 18:36:49
The problem with Harry’s posts are that any good points get completely lost in the unnecessary hyperbole.


“We are a fully functional team that somehow can't score goals”

That is the first game we haven’t scored a goal since last season.

23.) 19 Dec 2023 19:00:16
How about rephrasing it to our forwards can’t score? I am sure you guys deliberately missed the actual point. This “we are in a rebuild” is a loser mentality. It’s a coward stance, when the going gets tough we bring up this useless excuses.
When the forwards don’t score the midfield bloody MUST chip in with goals. This system is designed to get the best out of them.

24.) 19 Dec 2023 19:17:42
City (haaland, Alvarez, foden, silva) - 26 goals
Liverpool (salah, nunez, Diaz, jota) - 22 goals
Arsenal (saka, nketiah, odegaard, havertz) - 18 goals
Spurs (son, kulusevski, richarlison, Maddison) - 22 goals
Villa - (Watkins, Bailey, luiz, McGinn, ) - 23 goals

So our forwards can’t score no?

Compared to what exactly?

For the record Harry I’m not backing Oli’s stance in any way but if you’re going to counter him don’t just respond with nonsense like this. It really doesn’t do you any favours.

25.) 19 Dec 2023 19:18:06
I don’t get the “work in progress” notion. What are we working towards? The inverted is here to stay so that’s done and dusted.
In the past we had arguably two of the world best wingers at their peak in Mane and Salah and one of the most intelligent footballer in Firmino. They could score against anyone. This won’t happen again dude.

Can you tell me what exactly is Klopp working towards? Is he exploring secret recipe to beat teams that park the bus ?.

26.) 19 Dec 2023 20:03:05
Harry we are always a work in progress as all of the best teams are. I have been watching and playing football all my life and I’ve seen some great teams but never have I seen ‘the finished article’.

We are still integrating new players into a new system so in that sense there is lots of room for improvement but if people are waiting for us to become perfect then I’m afraid they’ll have a long wait.

No team, player or system is ever perfect because every team, player and system will have weaknesses that can be exploited.

Oli is right in that we are playing new players in a new system and they don’t perform with the consistency we’d all like just yet. That will get better as we go along as they become more familiar with each other and their roles within the system. In the meantime we will have some inconsistencies but we have largely managed to compensate for that just with sheer desire and quality throughout the squad.

Sunday was actually probably the most dominance in a game that I can remember for a very long time but because we don’t score suddenly we have gone from a team with so many attacking options to ‘a team that can’t score goals’ which is just a ridiculous assessment.

In my opinion the reason we didn’t score is because we tried too hard to score. The team wanted to put on another 7-0 show so they tensed up in front of goal and didn’t perform the system and tactics properly. If they had, we would’ve won easily. But these are the exact inconsistencies I mentioned earlier. It’s a learning process so they will analyse and learn from the experience and it’s another step towards being the team they want to be. You have to make these mistakes to learn.

27.) 19 Dec 2023 20:26:49
Did you include all the games or is it the league. I am not really a Stats guy. I don’t remember our forwards scoring a lot since the break.

28.) 19 Dec 2023 20:56:16
If we ask Klopp whether we are a championship ready team, I am 1000% certain he will say no and that we are building towards being that kind of team.

This year's team is not near the levels of the 2017-2022 era. We are building towards that.

29.) 19 Dec 2023 21:11:56
@Wassa thank you for providing a valid argument to this nonsense that our forwards can't score. It's ludicrous and again only proves to work as nonsense to hide behind any sort of negative agenda that so many has on top of losing or drawing a game.

Our forwards have hit a periodical bump, that much I can agree to - with that said, Jota is injured, Diaz understandably still affected, Nunez still young and improving, Salah still putting in the same amount of numbers he has in previous seasons. At the same time, we've had a few more goals from midfielders than in previous seasons - I don't hear anyone talking about that.

People are putting different weight to what the word rebuild refers to. Football changes quickly and drastically. New players come every season, teams constantly change tactics, change managers, change staff, go through injuries (which have been insane this season btw), always looking for ways to improve their own way, while still trying to counter everything the opposition teams try to do differently. It's ever changing, so of course football teams are in a constant loop of improving and adjusting. Otherwise what's the point in having training sessions?

It's always the same. We have a game off and suddenly negative facts are thrown into the air, be them true or not, as people already have their own unshakable narratives, as to change one's mind and have a moment of clarity is one of the hardest things we humans can do. We can give critique, I am one for doing that too, but some of the posts I read on here are just verging on absolute toxicity and entitlement.

30.) 19 Dec 2023 21:23:52
Sunday was actually probably the most dominance in a game that I can remember for a very long time but because we don’t score suddenly we have gone from a team with so many attacking options to ‘a team that can’t score goals’ which is just a ridiculous assessment.

You are being blinded by the fact that UTD had no interest in retaining the ball. They would have sat there for the rest of the night and yesterday.
It won’t be the case against Arsenal. The same team though!

31.) 19 Dec 2023 22:52:04
Habibi - not sure what you're basing your opinion on. But you'd be right in thinking that the forwards hadn't score a lot since the break. In 5 games and 9 goals scored the forwards have accounted for one goal and 2 assists.

I'm not sure how you assess we can't score goals, but it seems a bit silly to base that opinion off of your memory of the games since the break. before the break the forwards accounted for 24G/ 7A in the league.

It's a random comment stated as fact based off of your memory of just the last handful of games.

32.) 19 Dec 2023 23:26:41
Those stats are just the league games

For the record I actually think Liverpool played right into Uniteds hands. United were so passive and largely useless that we almost entered a stage of absolute complacency. The tempo of our football just dropped off a cliff. Every time we injected a bit of pace and we created something.

Had Liverpool showed any level of composure in the final third and United would have got absolutely pumped. I’m sorry but the only reason why they never left with a hiding was entirely our own fault.

33.) 20 Dec 2023 00:06:41
How can you use a point that requires a stat for it to be used, and when people call you out with a stat to counter your point, you simply goes "oh I'm not a stat person"?


34.) 20 Dec 2023 02:25:59
This Harry and Oli bromance thing is hilarious.

35.) 20 Dec 2023 05:50:58
I think Salah has been pretty average this season (by his standards) He was very poor against United and made the wrong choice on multiple occasions. Diaz has been through a lot with his dad etc but again has been pretty poor imo. Nunez when starting hasn't been great. I like Gapko and really want him to play in his preferred position and give him a good run of games to settle. I think we are missing Jota tbh. I know he's not everyone's favourite but we missed him massively against united. With Salah leaving at the end of the season (likely) we really need to sign someone who can score freely. I'm not a fan of Sane at all. I'd personally go all out for Oshimen (sp) The lad is class.

36.) 20 Dec 2023 15:48:20
Salah, absolutely. It's absolutely great fun watching the two go at it. Makes my day when I check in to have a look.

The smartest one, of course, is JK23 who carefully picks his battles, slips in, with a comment here and there, and then slips out. ?.

37.) 20 Dec 2023 16:28:15
Watch it, get out of the way, someone back peddling at a fair old rate.

How can you can’t say the forwards aren’t scoring and then say you didn’t check the facts? I understand you say stuff ‘for effect’ but your assertion in this case is just silly. In fact, if you remove the Norwegian troll-like creature our front four would be head and shoulders above the rest of the League.

38.) 20 Dec 2023 22:16:44
I'm a stats guy and here's what the very basic numbers are:

Liverpool in all 27 matches played so far (including today) :
G A G+A G/ g A/ g G+A/ g
FW 42 16 58 1.62 0.62 2.23
MF 12 11 23 0.46 0.42 0.88
DF 5 18 23 0.19 0.69 0.88

Liverpool in 17 PL matches so far:
G A G+A G/ g A/ g G+A/ g
FW 24 12 36 1.41 0.71 2.12
MF 5 5 10 0.29 0.29 0.59
DF 4 7 11 0.24 0.41 0.65

Numbers increase when adding in Europa and League Cup but I wouldn't consider that a significant jump to suggest that those competitions are inflating the numbers.

Posters have been crying out for the midfield to deliver more goals and assists. I think we're getting that so far, and their increased production could also be out-weighing the necessity of our forward players to produce even more than they are already.

Note - that these numbers consider Trent as a defender not a midfielder.

39.) 21 Dec 2023 00:44:06
Sorry, the table format looked way better before it got posted lol

Will just show the forwards:
Goals (All games) = 42 vs Goals (PL) = 24
Goals/ game (All) = 1.62 vs Goals/ game (PL) = 1.41

Assists (All) = 16 vs Assists (PL) = 12
Assists/ game (all) = 0.62 vs Assists/ game (PL) = 0.71

G+A (All) = 58 vs G+A (PL) = 36
G+A/ game (All) = 2.23 vs G+A/ game (PL) = 2.12.



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1.) 18 Dec 2023 14:35:11
Cheers Seano. Agree with you about Szoboszlai. He was lousy, at best, yesterday. He needs to get his early season form back quick, or his place could be at risk. Never thought I'd say that a few weeks back.



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1.) 01 Oct 2023 08:44:35
The league is over in my eyes. If you’re taking away legitimate goals from one side they cannot compete fair.
You’re removing players. Taking off goals. Giving one side every single decision.

It’s not a game anymore it’s just scripted entertainment.

Fans should get their money back at least. If they’ve manipulated the outcome of even One fixture, then the rest of our season from now on is Void.

Corruption has intervened and changed the course of our whole premier league campaign.

2.) 01 Oct 2023 08:58:28
I don't buy into "corruption". Totally inept officialdom, yes, but not corrupt, in my opinion. For who's gain?

{Ed025's Note - fot rhe root of all evil Rome...greed and money, betting cindicates run by criminals mate, the amount of money in football betting is astronomical and its a billon dollar industry, you can bet on almost anything in a game, corners, cards, tackles, sendings off, times of goals etc, spot fixing in cricket became an epidemic and massive money was made and players banned for taking bribes, so why would you think a sport 100 times as big would not be corrupt?...i suppose you could ask the tooth fairy or the Easter bunny.. :)

3.) 01 Oct 2023 09:27:37
Truly an awful officiating performance. This is what the 4th or 5th red card already - for a team that is usually top of the fair performance league?

I slept on it, watched MOTD this morning and it just gets worse - even the pundits think it was an abysmal show from the officials. But honestly, what will happen? There will be no 'review', no investigation, no sanctions given. The worse will be what, the officials are stood down for a week's games - that'll solve things sure

I mean honestly though lads, there is something every week with the officiating in one match or another and for every team in the league - weirdly apart from City lol, even Utd have had a couple of questionable calls given though have usually benefitted from such calls - but this match has to be the worst I have ever even heard of, it just gets worse every time you look at it. To break it down like you Seano:

1. The red card. Honestly a bad tackle but went over the wet ball, yes a bad contact but no intent and didn't follow through with a lunge like we have seen in this type of tackle. Yet when the ref is sent to look at it all they show him is a still of the contact? What, no slow motion replays of multiple angles? Just a still of the contact - bias much? Sounds like VAR had already made the decision doesn't it? Will anyone ask why? I very much doubt it

2. The goal - clearly onside. The excuse now given is laughable - you mean the VAR thought the onfield call was a goal and what just let them set up for a Spurs freekick and didn't think to intervene and ask wtf are you doing, it was a goal in the 30-40 seconds all that took? Pure idiocy involved here. Also, the passage of play happened right in front of the linesman, why does he flag anyway? Will any questions be asked here? Again the why or what are you doing would be nice but I doubt it.

3. The Jota red: I mean the second yellow was a fair yellow, no bother at all. The first though? Never a card, not Jotas fault at all. Bizarrely the Spurs player basically trips himself over then gestures to the ref to book Jota. Now this is very confusing, the rule was that players were to be booked for these antics - he was on a yellow card so this should have been a second and it would have been 10 v 10 - yet, for some unknown reason, the ref disregarded this rule and booked Jota instead and, for good measure, sent him off then a minute later? Ah. so many questions that should be, but won't, be asked on that one

4. The Gomez incident - looked very like the VVD one against Newcastle. Nobody in the VAR room thought 'you know what, you might want to look at this - we set a precedent with this with VVD against Newcastle so for consistency sake it is worth reviewing' - what no? Awk I couldn't be annoyed, I'm sure it's grand?

Overall in the interview you could sense Klopp's frustrations - I mean, like he said if they complain they get fined. How ridiculous is that? Awk we know our officiating is abysmal and we change the rules from week to week but anybody that complains will be fined? Honestly ridiculous - how about you actually conduct one of these 'internal reviews' you mention a lot and stop these errors being made?

4.) 01 Oct 2023 09:37:33
Ed025. You are correct, without doubt.

5.) 01 Oct 2023 09:44:15
Well said 25 although I do alo believe all roads lead to city.

6.) 01 Oct 2023 10:28:52
Just to add to the tirade, one thing I also don’t understand is the hypocrisy between the Maca red card earlier this season and the Curtis red card.

If I remember correctly, for the Macallister red while it was never a red, VAR didn’t intervene because it wasn’t a “clear and obvious mistake”. But for Curtis Jones, VAR believes it’s clear and obviously a red to overturn the refs decision?

7.) 01 Oct 2023 12:44:51
Klopping, you're talking about the "clear and obvious" schtick again. I propose we stop bringing that up cos it means sweet nothing in terms of logic and common sense. It is a terminiology created to protect the ref's incompetence. Im not saying that. Mike Dean already snitched. This one's over.

8.) 01 Oct 2023 12:50:08
Doesn't matter whether it's because of City or any other team. Every team will have their complaints. The job of the referees and the competent authorities above them is to ensure respect of the rules, and fairness in all aspects of the sport. They're failing and doing it with considerable incompetence and bias. And it shouldn't be allowed to stand.

It's a multi billion dollar sport now. And every little thing has huge financial conséquences. To me that's why all this is happening. Time for serious investigations. Let it take a decade if necessary, but you'll see considerable changes immediately, the moment the PGMOL, and that band of incompetent referees, sees they're under careful scrutiny and every little thing is being watched and analyzed.

9.) 01 Oct 2023 13:35:07
ArAy1969 to further support your point, I think managers and fans of all PL clubs led by those of the top6 teams, should march hand in hand to the PGMOL offices and demand accountability, transparency and honesty regarding the absolute and relentless incompetence, bias and border line corruption being witnessed in the PL going back the past several season esp. this season. They should demand internal investigations and demand the incompetent refs be weeded out and get new ones in. Also, the practice of any ref being able to go ref in another country and get paid a ton of dough should be IMMEDIATELY scrapped.

I bet you if that happened, the PGMOL would sit up and take notice and get their house in order and clean up shop. If people had all that chest to protest the SUper League then they should have enuff
chest to actually do what is required to keep our game that we love alive.

Alas, Im afraid that will not happen cos certain people in the establishment and certain fans of "certain clubs" are not bothered with the way things are so there you go.

10.) 01 Oct 2023 14:01:45
Klopping I agree 100% - it’s just a joke that VAR intervened on the Curtis decision which was clearly always going to be a subjective call (based on intent, whether he got the ball, level of force/ danger etc. ), and does so by showing a freeze frame of the worst possible moment, rather than the action itself? That was clearly a case of one ref overruling another….

But then they choose not to intervene on a black and white question of offsides, which was so clearly wrong? I don’t buy the ‘we made a mistake due to lack of focus’ response. TWO people in the VAR room and neither realizes that they’re checking for a goal or not? Even if there’s a misunderstanding on the language used, neither thinks to question why they’re setting up for a goal kick?

That’s not mere incompetence, that warrants an investigation into how the VAR system is being implemented and failing so badly, and for the last situation, possibly an investigation into potential corruption.

11.) 01 Oct 2023 18:29:17
Oli, you shouldn't under estimate the power of just one voice, let alone a mass of people. If the right arguments are put forward and you do it with dogged determination (like you're not going away until some meaningful and impartial investigation is conducted) then most of the time it happens.

It's become a very serious issue for this League. Refereeing and the assocated systems (VAR) are under constant attack. Clubs playing with the books to sidestep FPF and gain unfair advantages. This is existential stuff. What are people waiting for? For it to become the size of what we saw in Italy a decade ago? How much damage did that cause? Huge amounts and probably not fully recovered from it yet.

{Ed002's Note - You are seeing issues that don’t exist. This is not Liverpool’s Rosa Park moment.}

12.) 01 Oct 2023 21:02:08
Ed02, I wouldn't compare whatever is happening on a football pitch, to anything remotely related to Rosa Parks BUT that's just me.




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13 Jan 2024 03:13:56
I don’t think we will sign any one and, in all honesty, the squad depth is good enough now. We can always improve but there isn't a pressing need for anyone, and I like that the bshsnce of the current squad gives game time to our younger players.




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01 Jan 2024 05:22:50
Thanks for this Ed, especially at this time of year. All the best for 2024.


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29 Dec 2023 01:59:28
Leao is an excellent player but hard to see where he fits without a few outgoings. Would be a big upgrade on the left sided position tho despite the fact I really like Diaz.




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04 Dec 2023 12:26:23
But Darwin can’t consistently finish, and Salah is contributing enormously in terms of goals and assists, baffles me that anyone would want Salah to go.




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01 Sep 2023 05:03:47
I think for the price, and his potential, it’s a good signing. If he knuckles down and puts in the work he can reach the very top.





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In fairness though it looked nasty I didn’t think Caicedo’s challenge was malicious or that it warranted a red. The goal that was ruled out for offside however ….




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18 Feb 2024 03:54:14
Do you get your rocks off of being an annoying tit leek?




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06 Feb 2024 03:00:34
Because of one bad game when he wasn’t fully fit? Jesus.




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16 Jan 2024 12:55:36
I think the historical charges are even more significant, especially the stuff leaked by Der Spiegel, and I was amazed CAS believed what City said. City may he on firmer footing now, but they were built on huge investment and seemingly breaking the laws of the game. How is that fair for any other team competing? The financial fair play laws stink, and see. to actually encourage monopolization by the top teams - why bother if it’s a closed shop? Integrity of the game is on really shakey ground, hard to see how it doesn’t get anything but worse.


{Ed001's Note - CAS didn't believe it. Citeh were found guilty but the large majority of the guilty offences were time-barred under UEFA rules. CAS simply decided the initial punishment UEFA gave City was too harsh with most of the charges unable to be prosecuted. They were not acquitted and paid a fine.}



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13 Jan 2024 03:11:33
Cahill is a great shout, always felt he was dangerous whenever playing against us and his ability with his head was exceptional. Didn’t like him at the time for obvious reasons but looking back a hell of a player. Shearer and Zamorano have been mentioned too and they’re great shouts. It’s actually a tough question given the various factors at play. In terms of best headed goal I’ve seen I remember Luis Garcia scored an absolute pearler.




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