Liverpool Banter Archive August 07 2016

07 Aug 2016 21:58:43
about 26 hours ago we were world beaters. reluctantly praising the team for a pre-season victory against barca. a day later we're in a shambles and eager to criticize everything and anything we can following a loss in pre-season to Mainz.

the eyes roll big with this one.

07 Aug 2016 22:46:46
Neither matters, we played agaisnt two different teams with two different teams, in pre season friendlies.
Origi tore the Barcelona defence apart, couldn't make a dent in Mainz.
Barca have only played one pre season game before us.
We played two in a weekend.
So many factors, none of which really matter as it was a friendly.

07 Aug 2016 23:57:48
It's crazy. There is a reason why teams never otherwise play two games in less than 24 hours. because they are bound to lose! Muscle fatigue. mental fatigue. and yet fans bleat about the lack of 'desire' and 'quality'. get a grip (! ) .

08 Aug 2016 01:56:36
You didn't see Klopp crying about muscle fatigue or mental fatigue, he still expected them to perform better than they did. I acut ally agree with you but I don't think Klopp would field a team to lose.

08 Aug 2016 04:00:29
Barca had played a couple of matches before playing us at Wembley.

07 Aug 2016 20:00:05
Should we have accepted the 25 million offer from Crystal Palace, if we had, we would have more spending money, and just maybe we would brought in one or two players to complete our squad .

07 Aug 2016 20:06:47
No 5mill is a grujic.

07 Aug 2016 20:10:10
If we do sell him we won't spend that money just because we have sold him. Weve about done with our incomings mate.

07 Aug 2016 20:28:23
Lfc Forever, we will still be getting a left back as Klopp is still looking for one, per Ed. Also, even if we accepted the 25m for CB, his wages are still a sticking point, Red forever.

08 Aug 2016 08:16:11
Assuming CB would want to join Palace - they weren't far off relegation last year!

08 Aug 2016 21:18:07
yes, and both Big Ben and Balo want high wages, so we could be paying part of Balo s wages just to move him on, maybe that is the reason we are holding out for the full 32 million for Big Ben, who really should by now know he will get very little game time with us .

07 Aug 2016 18:18:53
Shame about the result today, but it doesn't feel like we've ended preseason on a low. The game today being not even 24hrs after the Barcelona result and a totally different playing team, it almost feels like it never happened.

Think next week will be more like yesterday and still fancy a 2-1 a la 87.

If we do not have a strong link, like a confirmed bid or permission to talk to a LB by the Arsenal game then I'd say it's a no go this window. Along with Karius injury and Gomez set back, it's the biggest shame of the window.

07 Aug 2016 16:41:11
Could have done without that game. Not very good scheduling that. Can't expect much game in under 24 hours. But didn't really showed enough. Anyhow can't wait for the league to start now.

07 Aug 2016 16:48:30
The entire purpose of preseason games is to get fit. Would you rather they put their last real game time push 3 days later? So tired of the whining about this game already. Ed001 said it best. Preseason games are for fitness purposes only. You think Barcelona is at all concerned that we beat them 4-0?

07 Aug 2016 20:37:26
Results don't matter I agree but Barcelona got thrashed in a Wembley friendly with Messi and Suarez on the pitch in a team that don't like to lose any game nor have a habit of losing games period. That loss will stick for a while (not long) IMO.

07 Aug 2016 15:58:36
Not sure how many of you was on the chat forum during the game but, If some of the comments on there are anything like the posts that the eds have to sit through from Liverpool fans then eds are completely right, its not just embarrassing its disgusting some of the things being said. Seriously go on the live chat during games and see examples of the lowest form of life, Although respect to the posters who defended the eds and pinpointed the idiots ignorance.

Kman92, gotti and couts123 were the main knobheads

Sorry for my rant/ language eds but think people should no what kind of abuse you have to deal with on a daily basis.

07 Aug 2016 16:13:55
I think people need an outlet and if that means it happens on the chat forum rather than the main site then so be it.
However, it's a service, provided free of charge, and I think some would do well to remember that. Thanks to the eds for providing it to the site.
Looking forward to getting back on the chat next week, when it actually matters. Haven't been on during pre-season.

07 Aug 2016 16:15:44
I was on for a while. The 3 you mention obviously have their own agenda. As i said on the chat, they are not handcuffed to this site, they don't have to log on.

07 Aug 2016 16:21:32
Its a chat for the football Ron, not for a couple of clowns to bitch about everything that is wrong in their tiny lives.

07 Aug 2016 16:24:11
I came off the live chat fed up of reading it to be honest. Opinions fine but personnel attacks on people r disgusting.

07 Aug 2016 16:34:27
Well I wouldn't know Rover because I wasn't around during the drama.

07 Aug 2016 17:17:24
i was surprised those mentioned above were not banned from the live chat.

07 Aug 2016 18:06:40
I'm always surprised people manage to see enough of the game to trash our players whilst on live chat. I'd rather watch the game without distraction.

07 Aug 2016 18:19:02
Had many an argument with couts and a few more on there. They are not supporters when we were down in the Europa last year with an hour left they started slating and dissapeared when the team came back and won.

07 Aug 2016 22:45:03
I've stopped going on the live chat since a long time, precisely because of this. Very little talk about football, and mostly mud slinging at each other, the team and the players. Even wrote an angry abusive note about it, but the Eds chose not to post it (probably correctly) . But i simply decided the best solution is not to go online on it. Suggest you do the same.

08 Aug 2016 03:44:50
same here, stopped using it because of the way all our players were trashed on there. just abuse after abuse. its like teenagers in a school yard. some clearly aren't even watching the match if all they're doing is trash-typing. shame really that its spoilt by some tools.

08 Aug 2016 09:15:45
Maybe if it offers little value the eds should discontinue the service!

07 Aug 2016 12:50:46
Hey Eds,

Just an update on Danny Ward's debut for Huddersfield Town, as I promised I'd provide updates from watching their home games.

Town won 2-1 and dominated much of the game against Brentford. Ward had few saves of real note to make but looked confident and assured in his kicking and handling of crosses.

The goal was not too great from his perspective however. Hurried into a clearance, he aimless kicked towards a marked Town shirt who fouled his man. Brentford took the kick quickly and Town failed to organise quickly - Ward was arguably partly at fault here as he wasn't communicating with his defence and they weren't ready at all.

A huge hole appeared in Towns right back position and whilst Ward attempted to close down the striker, there was little else he could do to stop the ball ending up in the back of his net.

So one blot on an otherwise fine performance. Newcastle next, which I won't be watching as I don't cover away games. Hopefully in future games he will have more to do for me to assess - Ward looked good on the main yesterday afternoon nevertheless.

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

07 Aug 2016 13:37:47
Thanks Reid any info on how our loans are doing is much appreciated. YNWA.

07 Aug 2016 18:43:29
Thanks Reid!

08 Aug 2016 04:20:00
Could someone please explain why they disagree with reid the red post.

07 Aug 2016 11:49:22
Hi Ed's

Does Danny Ings have a future under Klopp?

We all know he prefers only 1 at the top and we have Strurridge when fit, Origi and Firminio ahead of him plus Balo and Benteke if they aren't sold.

Shouldnt he be looking at more first team opportunities at this stage of career as Klopp said the same for Balo?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - Firmino and Origi can play other roles in the side, Ings will get chances, as well as chances to see if he can play other roles, before a final decision is made. Unless he asks to go (which he won't this summer as he is desperate to prove himself with us) or someone offers ridiculous money, it is likely he will stay, for now.}

07 Aug 2016 12:16:34
Thought Ings would be perfect for Klopp and us. His work rate, pace and desire is all 100%. He can finish and offers a different style up top. Also, IMO, he seems to appreciate being at a top club and happy enough for a role not considered first choice but a constant role. Could be wrong but that's how I see Ings.

07 Aug 2016 12:16:43
He has great work rate and can finish natural striker with Sturrdiges injuries and Firmino not been a striker he will get a chance and I'm sure he will impress

If he was fit last season we'd of benefited greatly.

07 Aug 2016 13:59:08
Balo and Benteke will, regardless of whether they stay or go, be behind Ings,

07 Aug 2016 17:52:42
Personal opinion is he won't be here after next summer. Think he'll want more than a bit part and it's difficult to see him getting more than that.

07 Aug 2016 11:18:09
Great entertaining game yesterday and wanted to tip my hat to Messi for stopping to sign autographs. Always a nice thing to do and great to see quality players taking the time for young kids and fans.

07 Aug 2016 11:38:40
Who's Messi? SUPERMANE.

07 Aug 2016 12:35:09
I enjoyed it, lot of neutrals in the crowd (including myself) Sat with a couple Palace fans and chatted to some qpr fans and a good few Leeds fans down for the rangers game. All with the same reason for attending. To see Messi. Even though Barcelona were very well bellow par. It was still entertaining.

07 Aug 2016 10:37:38
So how many goals did Barcalona score from the left?

07 Aug 2016 10:40:17
None, thankfully, however they did get in-behind from the left a few times.

07 Aug 2016 10:42:20
As they did from the right or centre as with that Messi miss.

07 Aug 2016 11:36:31
Thing is, it's only a pre season game and they're some way behind us in fitness etc. The real test is next week,

07 Aug 2016 11:37:00
Which ever way you look at it. That's been our best defensive display for years. Clean sheet against SUAREZ and MESSI.
Cleaner sheet than a nun house.

07 Aug 2016 12:44:48
They might be some way behind us, Frankly, but they easily beat the reigning Premier League champions a few days ago. I agree its only a preseason game which proves little, but we played some great footy which got me pretty amped for the new season.

07 Aug 2016 14:06:57
Annie, thought klopp set the team up brilliantly, closed Barcelona down in midfield, and the game was not so open like it was against our League champions, we can't afford injuries right now, just get in a Left Back, and I will be very hopeful for this new season .

07 Aug 2016 10:35:34
Dificult to assess what JK is planning and I trust him and his staff. The fact that he allowed smith to leave let Flanno go on loan I have to believe that he will address the LB situation. i feel pretty sure we will sign one before the window closes.

07 Aug 2016 13:55:52
I hope so, Ever because an LB is critical right now.

07 Aug 2016 10:02:20
Logged in today on the internet to check on some tasty news references about our demolition of Barca. But no it's all about klopp smacking it up at S*n reporter . Don't know what it's about. But I am pretty sure it's horrendous. I don't even feel like checking what got klopp upset . They are the scum and they got well served by our manager. So whatever they wrote - up your anus scumbags.

07 Aug 2016 08:53:57
I was at the game yesterday and decided to keep an eye on Henderson.
The bloke is positionally sound! didn't place a foot wrong for the 45 minutes, and don't forget who he was up against!
He goes unnoticed as he's not the flashiest player and yes he needs to score a few more. But those who want him out the team are crazy! He holds the team together and we would be a lot worse off without him.

07 Aug 2016 10:18:15
His energy and drive are really important assets and he's made for a Klopp team. He had a big hand in two of the goals.

07 Aug 2016 11:30:55
That's the unfortunate thing about a lot of posters on here, they watch the games off the tv. As you have rightly pointed out, you see much more live. I have a few examples.
1. Sakho - often refered to as clumsy and a weak passer of the ball-frequently has no outlet and gets dragged out to cover the full back
2. Lovren-at times very eratic and slow to get out-this goes very much un noticed
3. Clyne/ moreno-both leave gaping holes-however both very frequently left in a 2 on 1 situation (moreno more so than Clyne) -both slated for their crossing abilities-very often have nobody in the box to aim for
4.henderson-for me, our best player. Breaks up play, links defence and attack, fabulous organizer, very composed- more importantly, knows where and when it's appropriate to go
5. Emre Can-hailed as the best cm liverpool have ever had- positionally can be poor and unfortunately doesn't turn up in some games
6. Flanaghan-deserves so much more credit than he gets-defensively excellent, struggles with lack of cover especially for pace
7. Coutinho-hear a lot of people say he needs to step it up etc. He isn't a wide player naturally and certainly isn't left footed. Has no real pace and is prefictable in that he 99% of the time will cut inside.
Can I please clarify that I am not slating anyone, players or fans. But as an avid visitor to anfield and a few away games every season, you do see much more. I have seen moreno get torn to shredds following yesterdays game, believe you me he wasn't the only player to positionally get it wrong. What I did notice yesterday was that Mane offers so much from a covet/ tracking perspective, coutinho did more than usual yesterday and it went a long way.

{Ed001's Note - it is not being at the game that makes a difference, it is the way people watch. Some people just follow the ball (or follow games through their mobile/tablet screen) rather than looking at more of the game and seeing what happens off the ball. What happens off the ball is at least as important as on the ball. No one spots the runs off the ball creating space etc.}

07 Aug 2016 11:35:27
100% agree with you. The lad is a massive asset to the club and yet some fan's would sell him in a heartbeat. Figure that one out?

07 Aug 2016 11:54:23
That's the point I was trying to make Ed. Cameras will only show you what the camera man allows you to, and frequently that isn't the full picture (positioning etc) .
Also just read back what I posted, must have sounded so negative and I apologize profucely. Also fully understand that not everybody is as firtunate as me to be able to go, so again another apology.

07 Aug 2016 14:21:57
Spot on, Ed and Istanbul. People don't watch games closely anymore. People just browse through them like a magazine and if they don't see anything that pops out to them about a player, they come here running their mouths about a player Hendo in this case, about how he is poor, not good enuff because he didn't turn up in the highlights. Whereas a player like Skrtel pants, is hailed as a good signing because he turns up in highlight reels while for those like us who really watch games closely, know he's always been awful. Players like Hendo, Lucas, Kante, Medel and the like, are hailed as good players BECAUSE they don't show up on highlight reels and do the jobs that goes unnoticed. For example, that brilliant tackle that Hendo made on Iniesta, was to me the true assist for the fourth goal as that is what got unnoticed by many. It takes a good football observant to see the "unnoticed" yet essential job such players do.

08 Aug 2016 12:28:22
On some games (sky:bt/ whoever) you can get a tactical overview camera on the red button.

Its more an overhead view of the pitch. Think something like playin fifa. I always liked to watch this from time to time for the reasons us state above. You get a far better feel for what's going on all over.

07 Aug 2016 00:43:07
redohio MIA!

Anyone seen him around?

{Ed001's Note - isn't he cincyred?}

07 Aug 2016 08:30:02
Ok thanks ed 😘.

07 Aug 2016 08:44:00
Where's Jonson6?

07 Aug 2016 20:41:58
Cincyred reporting for duty. Thanks Ed, you blew my cover.

{Ed001's Note - any time mate ;-)

07 Aug 2016 00:49:02
Well that just shows us what we can do when we are up for it. I personally thought wijnaldum was awful but we'll just have to hope that was down to match fitness.

Klavan, lovren, clyne, stewart and lallana all particularly outstanding.

But man of the match has to go to mane. The guy showed why we bought him and he is absolutely rapid. If he can do that for most of the season we are going places.

Concerns are obvious and lie with moreno, who was erratic as ever, and mignolet, just because we know he is a disaster waiting to happen. Karius cannot come back soon enough. As for a left back, i think we are all terrified at the prospect of not buying one.

Honestly, if karius can keep fitness and we get a quality new left back, i am tipping us for top 3. You heard it here first.

06 Aug 2016 23:55:31
In Origi I think we have the complete striker and potential to become as huge. He has pace, is strong, tall, has quick feet, can beat 2-3 player with skill, can finish either foot and head and can create as well as score.

He works hard all over the front line and tracks back.

If he were in Europe, in France or Italy we'd be creaming ourselves if we were linked to him and if Lukaku is £75m, this guy will be a £100m transfer one day. He will become that good.

So impressed with him, at his age I don't think we know just what a player we have in our squad. Today has blown me away and can really see the potential and Klopps influence. I'm getting over excited as its a friendly, but hey why not. The result if the other way round would spell doom and gloom, Barcelona had quality out there and no one wants to lose.

Grujics header was sublime and so was the build up to it. Mane looked great. Klaven. All of them actually, Klopps signings look the part, it really looks like we've thought and bought for the squad and plan.

Title here we come. kidding I'm total hyperbole or am I? Whatever, but am looking forward to the season more so and less daunted by Arsenal as a first fixture. In fact I feel like '87 all over again 2-1 again next week.

07 Aug 2016 01:11:25
Cool post. Let's take it easy mate tho. Keep our feet firmly grounded. Expectation can lead to disappointment 🙄😀 I love football. Hiccup 🍺😏.

07 Aug 2016 01:57:58
Origi has talent and importantly he wants to work hard to become the best he can be. I like the fact he plays with his head up and is aware of what's going on around him. He has also bulked out and he literally looked like a monster compared to their defenders. Got a good feeling about him.

07 Aug 2016 13:27:07
I really think he's a better option to have than sturridge! The way he holds ups the ball and brings people into play. Firmino big chance yesterday came from the movement and awareness of origi, he dragged and CB with and layer the ball to Stewart leaving firmino acres to run into.

07 Aug 2016 14:19:55
Plus Origi is so young, yet so eager to learn and better himself . this young man will be a superstar one day .