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28 Dec 2014 19:49:43
Hi eddy is there any truth in our signing bernidino(spelling) of west brom and what do you think.studge is due back but I am concerned about his injury issues thank and all the best for 2015

Evered77

{Ed001's Note - I am not aware of any truth in him coming to us in January, though we are watching him regularly. We are just one of many keeping tabs, no more.}


1.) 29 Dec 2014 09:22:39
Buying Berahino makes no sense. Too similar to Origi in every way except Nationality. I'd even put Origi slightly ahead of him. Pure waste of money.

If we need to buy a youngster again buy Dybala. Gives us a different option of striker and looks unreal. He's left foot looks a real banger. A good few of Berahino's goals are penos.

Personally I'd go for Vela, Doumbia, Martinez etc. Ones with proven goal scoring records.

If not these, then Jaime Baez. Far cheaper and looks the real deal on Youtube.

To be fair, my knowledge of Dybala and Jaime Baez is probably not good enough to judge properly but one thing I am almost certain of, berahino will be more money flushed down the toilet.


2.) 29 Dec 2014 18:55:54
We might also be watching Benidorm on ITV.


3.) 30 Dec 2014 00:54:09
Berahinho is a great talent, but for anything over £15m, we need a proven talent, not more potential.


 

 

08 Jul 2014 19:20:19
What has changed that seven months ago we were trying like,,,,,, to sign Kono now we appear to have no interest at all and appear to be prepared twice as much for markovic

Evered77

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know but no contact since January.}


1.) 08 Jul 2014 23:40:58
And a figure under what we had been quoted as offering mind boggling.


 

 

 

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16 Jul 2018 22:36:51
Re question on preferred GKs. Jordan. Pickford impressed me with his bravery. Its more the norm now to see GKs rooted to the goal line instead challenging for high balls in the six yard area Shades of Ray Clemence.

Evered77

1.) 16 Jul 2018 22:48:19
What makes you think Everton would sell him? Especially to Liverpool?


2.) 16 Jul 2018 22:57:37
What’s the question?


3.) 17 Jul 2018 00:06:07
Everton don’t need to sell.


4.) 17 Jul 2018 07:19:47
He did well but it’s international football - different game to the premier league 🤝.


5.) 17 Jul 2018 07:32:36
Hi Ron I know we probably couldn’t get him but I think on his performances in the World Cup he could have a great future The original question was on the lines of what GKs do people like and I liked him.


6.) 17 Jul 2018 07:35:25
My blue mate raves about him, said they'd have been relegated without him.


7.) 17 Jul 2018 09:40:16
The time to get Pickford would have been before he joined Everton.

He gives me the most faith of all England keepers, albeit I'd like to see more of Butland as he had, IMO, more potential than Pickford at the same age.


8.) 17 Jul 2018 09:45:46
He did impress in the world Cup. He's a decent keeper. Everton would never sell.


 

 

06 Jul 2018 07:47:50
I can only imagine the costs involved for clubs such as Man City and the likes for running the academy. In modern day football and the demand for instant success, reflected by the scramble to sign established players instead of relying on a small number of successes from the academies are they a good investment. I realise young prospects need a paths to follow their careers but I go back to my first question is it financially viable for big clubs to run academies. just an item for discussion.

Evered77

1.) 06 Jul 2018 08:00:23
I think it is for big clubs. Top 8 teams can bring the player through, give them 10-15 cameo appearances and then sell them to the Championship for £500k-10m, if they aren't quite good enough.

It's harder to say for smaller clubs though. Not only will they have most of their best players poached between 11-16 years old, but for some reason their youth players don't seem to skyrocket in value after a handful of appearances.

Having said that though, just one player coming through the academy and being sold for top dollar could arguably keep a League 2 club running for 6 months.

With that in mind I'd say that the top 8 teams in the football pyramid can justify the costs, and the bottom 48 teams can too. The 36 in between? It's not so easy to say. Fulham would probably say yes because it gave them Sessegnon who could well sell for £50m. Huddersfield will say no because all their talent gets poached at a young age and the money is better invested on the short term survival in the Premier League.

A really thought provoking question though mate. I Don't think there is a right or wrong answer that fits every case.

{Ed001's Note - remember that when a player is sold for a fee 5% of that fee goes to be split between clubs that have contributed to his development as a youth. A number of clubs have benefited greatly when players they had developed but received little for initially have gone later on for big money.}


2.) 06 Jul 2018 08:04:05
I think there should only be one maybe 2 foreign players in the academy produce some British talent. If there are more homegrown players to choose from then we would be paying less for transfers of British players.


3.) 06 Jul 2018 08:32:24
Very good point Ed001. I think It's a grey area really, that has to be assessed case by case. I was surprised to see Huddersfield scrap their academy, but I could easily understand why they did it because it wasn't producing. I'm not sure if it was making a loss? But perhaps they just didn't want the stress of running it anymore for the sake of a few hundred thousand pounds. Did they ever give a definitive reason?

{Ed001's Note - because they felt the money could be better invested in other areas while the current rules over academies remain.}


4.) 06 Jul 2018 08:39:28
It is a weird one Ed. Puts them in a difficult position if they ever have an injury crisis as there is no academy to turn to. Do they still compete in the reserve league (u23) do you know?


5.) 06 Jul 2018 08:50:33
Ed1, can I ask a question then about that 5% Ed. At what age would that stop, or is it just when the player becomes a senior squad member?

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure what you mean? Sorry I am not fully awake today, it was a late night and my head is not in it. You will have to speak very slowly for me today!}


6.) 06 Jul 2018 11:10:01
You said about the 5% fee being split between teams who contributed to a player when he was a youth. Is that teams he played for before he signed a professional contract?

{Ed001's Note - no it is up to 21 I think off the top of my head.}


7.) 06 Jul 2018 17:56:49
Thanks Ed. I managed to put it in plain English eventually. :-)

{Ed001's Note - Ed002 has kindly provided me with the full details: (a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays). (b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribunal if necessary.}


 

 

05 Jul 2018 18:41:23
So if Karius is set to be our number1and Mignolet will leave, then who will be our back up? I can't follow the logic of this situation at all and I believe JK will not go into a new season relying on this format so I think we will sign a GK if he doesn't we are courting big mistake. Regardless of the CL final I just can't convince myself that Karius will come good.

Evered77

1.) 05 Jul 2018 19:12:05
How about Ward? He’s competent and will save wasting money on the likes of Navas or Cillessen who aren’t capable of playing in the premier league.


2.) 05 Jul 2018 19:17:18
Ward is more than capable of being back up. Tbh I'm not against giving him a shot at no1.


3.) 05 Jul 2018 19:23:43
OP, I suspect Klopp will/ could bring in a new GK as no 2 or to keep Karius on his toes. We shall see. As for whether Karius can come good or not, that is still an open question. Why? Had he not made mistakes in the CL final, we still would not have been certain if he would come good or not cos he would still need one more season to improve the rough edges of his game. So for me, nothing changes on that topic as he improved when he came in last Jan and had earned the right to be no. 1 this season until Kiev happened. And I'm not buying the "he always had a mistake in him" nonsense cos the WC has shown us that EVERY GK has a mistake in him, even the ones many fans claim to be "perfect" so that has become a non argument.

What I wanna see is that if Klopp is keeping Karius as no. 1, we need to put a system in place to protect him, just like we did when he came in last Jan which saw us defend well as a team, and allowed him to simply concentrate on his job and get his mind right. Here's to hoping.


4.) 05 Jul 2018 19:27:59
Ward, Navas, Butland, Cillessen etc. Right now I'd predict it'll be one of them to be honest. God knows what'll happen though. If we end up with Karius and Ward, then so be it. Last year we got to a Champions League final and had one of the best defensive records across the 19 league games Karius played in.

I would prefer us to sign a top class keeper but they're hard to find.


5.) 05 Jul 2018 19:45:08
MK, we got to the CL final despite Karius not because of him. I've posted on the Others Site that I fear sitting on the Kop listening to the groans everytime the ball goes near him, or he has ball at his feet.
None of us know (or only a few) what's going on behind the scenes, but I sure hope that the priority is getting in a top quality keeper.


6.) 05 Jul 2018 20:01:20
With a better midfield we should have no problem doing well "in spite" of Karius again then 😉

I have faith in Karius if Leicester can win the league with Schmeical and Barcelona can win the Champions League with Bravo!


7.) 05 Jul 2018 20:01:41
BRover, any side that has to set up to help protect their keeper is on a hiding to nothing. The whole set up of a side is based on having the confidence of the keeper that's behind them.


8.) 05 Jul 2018 20:11:56
MK, in 10 months time I hope I'm saying you were right and I was wrong. I have no faith in him and my opinion isn't based on what happened in the CL final but what I saw in all the games I watched him play.


9.) 05 Jul 2018 20:21:50
With regards to Bravo, like Real Madrid and Casillas, Barcelona were successful despite having Bravo.
And regards to Schmichel and Leicester, we are all, to this day, left wondering how a side with Wes Morgan and Huth in their side could win the PL. Personally I thought Schmichel had an excellent season that season.


10.) 05 Jul 2018 20:48:28
To be fair to Karius he made some big saves in the run up to Kiev. He didn't single handedly get us there but he helped.


11.) 06 Jul 2018 00:02:02
Buy a world class keeper or stick with what we have. Same with any position now tbh.


 

 

01 Jul 2018 07:54:24
Just read a report (don't believe the gossip) that Karius is going to remain our number one. I don't mind if he stays and is given the opportunity to recover if possible but it would be absolute madness to go into a new season without signing GK of some standing. It could be that we cannot get our preferred choice but there are a few GKs who present less risk than Karius.

Evered77

1.) 01 Jul 2018 08:17:58
I'm glad to hear it if true. I'd love to see Alisson sign but I highly doubt that'll happen so Karius deserves another season. This time next season everybody will be talking about how class Karius is ;) .

There's no point settling for second best, we either go and get somebody like Alisson or we stick with what we've got otherwise we'll be back in the same boat in a couple of years. If it was up to me we'd go pay them whatever they want for him because it beats spending £20-30m every other year for average keepers who aren't up to the job.


2.) 01 Jul 2018 08:53:29
No point settling for second best? That's exactly what we've been doing for the last 5/ 6 years with theses bang average keepers, surely there are more than just Allison or oblak out there at mental money, city picked up ederson who wasn't talked about and didn't cost 80m, this is what scouts get paid for, find a good keeper who's not 80m,


3.) 01 Jul 2018 08:56:11
If Karius was number one without some real competition it would be a huge gamble where the potential rewards don't match the risks.

There's a chance that he'll improve and be the keeper we want but there's an equal chance that we've seen him peak and he's just not that good.

It would be reckless to have him as undisputed number one next year.


4.) 01 Jul 2018 08:58:15
We never learn.


5.) 01 Jul 2018 09:02:37
Salah why are so struck on Allison from what I have seen I don’t think he is in the same class as D Gea Cortois (spelling) or Petre Ceck (spelling) of three years ago.


6.) 01 Jul 2018 09:04:18
This whole Karius thing is stupid now. Think people have forgot he was the keeper who got us to fourth place and got us to the final of the champs league. The benzema mistake was a big one but the bale goal i've seen plenty of keepers do that before de gea just recently in the world cup and he's regarded the best keeper in the world.

Alisson hasn't impressed me when i've seen him play.


7.) 01 Jul 2018 09:06:56
The Lazio goalkeeper is good. Wouldn’t cost the world either.


8.) 01 Jul 2018 09:11:31
Evered77, may I ask you, how many times have you seen Alisson play?

Agreed GungaB.


9.) 01 Jul 2018 09:28:17
More than happy if Karius remains our number 1 keeper for this season.


10.) 01 Jul 2018 09:55:24
Port, you mention Ederson, sure he wasn't £80m why? because he's not bloody worth it mate. People think he's gods gift and he really isn't. Most teams were afraid to attack City last season so half of the time he did bugger all, when they got attacked Ederson and their defence crumbled. I really don't understand why so many people rate him. He can't handle the pressure and we've seen that almost every single time a team attacks them.

I've seen so many people rave about him, am I the only one who doesn't rate him? he's decent at best.


11.) 01 Jul 2018 11:15:18
I have always said that I would have NO issues whatsoever, with Karius starting the season as no. 1 and also, I do not have an issue with getting a GK in to compete with him and keep him on his toes either ESP> if we cannot get the top GK we want which is of course, Allisson.

Salah and Putney, make brilliant points here as well so IMO, they are on the money. As for Ever77, Allisson has his flaws as I have watched him as well and he is a flapper, gets caught out underneath crosses, makes bad decisions at times (like trying to dribble Salah in the second leg in Roma and almost lost the ball) and so on. However, he is a much better GK than Karius and that much is clear. As for Ederson, Salah is right. Ederson is a very good GK, no doubt BUT he is quite poor under pressure. How do we know? Cos LFC exposed him for the mental weakling he actually is not once, not twice BUT THREE times last season so if Karius is weak under pressure THEN so is Ederson. As mentioned earlier, I woul keep Karius BUT get someone in to challenge him as a top GK is not a possibility anymore.


12.) 01 Jul 2018 12:35:59
I'd be happy to see us sign Butland and keep Karius. Both fighting for 1st choice. I think both would bring out good competition between each other. Just my personal opinion. Great job eds.

{Ed001's Note - thank you.}


13.) 01 Jul 2018 18:00:31
Salah fair points and I wasn't saying he's world class, and he may have crumbled under pressure against us but he didn't roll the ball off one of our players into his own net, nor let a harmless shot through his hands, both occasions being under no pressure from opposing players, as I said the gk position is haunting us, I'm not judging karius on one game, his positioning in some games was atrocious. For Utd second goal at OT for example, I'm just gobsmacked how so many fans are so accepting of average players who are costing us final after final,


14.) 01 Jul 2018 19:11:44
Finally somebody who like me doesn't rate ederson at all. Spot on Salah.

My math is probably so bad here and i’m just taking the stats from the premier league website and we know stats don’t reveal everything. Not showing mistakes/ errors. Not all the saves might have actually been on target, some goals could be deflections but it’s a rough idea anyway.

Last season Ederson made 58 saves and conceded 26 goals.
That is 1 in 3.23 shots conceded.

Karius made 31 saves and conceded 14 goals. (albeit in much less games)
That is a 1 in 3.21 shots conceded
Not much difference really.

Just to show our improvement i'll include this.
MIGs made 36 saves and conceded 24 goals, so 1 in every 2.5 shots conceded. Damn


Now let’s compare those with De Gea who is actually world class. He had to make 115 saves and conceded only 2 more goals than Ederson (28)
That is a 1 in every 5.11 conceded.


15.) 01 Jul 2018 19:17:59
I understand where you're coming from port, I disagree but I do understand what you're saying. Personally I believe we can see more from karius, I really do believe he'll make it right and do well but each to their own of course mate.


16.) 01 Jul 2018 22:03:57
Won’t win anything if we don’t address our weaknesses.

Every club in the premier league knows Karius’s weaknesses, his presence undermines the rest of the team. Big gamble by Klopp if he doesn’t upgrade, could be his last season at LFC.


17.) 02 Jul 2018 11:22:37
So disheartening to see so many people wanting Karius to remain number one.


18.) 02 Jul 2018 22:57:46
Karius is mentally fragile, he’s proven this twice in his brief time at Anfield.

In big games, when it REALLY counts, he will get found out.
Goalkeepers have to be arrogant beggars who don’t give 2 hoots what anyone thinks about them. Karius is more concerned with his public image and popularity than he is about winning things.

Rafa upgrades his keeper after his keeper had won him a champions league final. He’s no mug, he knows Gk is one of the most important positions.

I’m sorry but if we stick with him we will be let down time and again. Why didn’t any of our players go to support him after the final whistle in Kiev? It’s because they know he cost them a chance of glory and they have no confidence in him. He’s a bottler, mentally weak and in high pressure games he can’t cope. He can’t help his personality, but that doesn’t mean LFC owe him a wage if he’s not good enough.


19.) 02 Jul 2018 23:26:25
Ron, "Rafa upgraded his keepers" YET it took Reina a good TWO years to get going. Remember the huge blunders he made vs WH in the FA Cup in 2006? Same as Karius in a big game. Was Reina mentally strong then? NO! He was everything you called Karius in your insults. Oh but We won so it's all fine. Sorry, we all do not have such short memories.

Reina's first two years were very shaky and he was also much poorer than Karius within that span. What did Rafa do to mitigate that? He made us hard to beat and penetrate until Reina got going. I that not what i have been advocating for Karius? is that not what Klopp did when he came in the team full time in Jan along with a CB partnership with Lovs/ VVD we as a team, kept the 2nd most clean sheets in the PL during the second half of last season? Oh but when Rafa did the very same thing to protect Reina, he was a genius.

Oh and by the way, I don't know what Karius has done to you BUT your constant insults and name-calling on the lad, is quite pathetic and bitter. It shows you have a tru vendetta against this guy that drives these insults. I don't know you personally BUT I do know this: It is from the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks.


 

 

24 Jun 2018 07:46:30
I remember because of his performances in the World Cup we signed El Haj Dior and let Nicolas Anelka go. What a disaster, be careful what you wish for leave it to JK.

Evered77

1.) 24 Jun 2018 07:58:21
Pretty sure the ball was rolling before the World Cup with Diouf.

{Ed001's Note - he was signed before the World Cup even kicked off. Anelka was never going to be signed because Houllier just wanted players to shut up and do as they are told. He would ask questions and try and give input. Shame as Nic Anelka would have been brilliant for us. He is a genuinely nice lad, who just wanted to win things.}


2.) 24 Jun 2018 08:26:16
Yeah that was something I could never get my head around, anelka was an excellent player would have took us to the next level at that time and salif diao an Bruno cheyrou enough said about them, we have a bit of history with that as we could have signed Cristiano Ronaldo when he was 18 as well .


3.) 24 Jun 2018 08:29:22
So funny ed
I remember exactly where I was and the date and time, when I first heard about the news that we had signed Anelka on loan
I could not stop smiling he was a player wow.

{Ed001's Note - he was a great signing and it should have been made permanent. Ged couldn't stand people having an opinion.}


4.) 24 Jun 2018 08:44:26
Have you ever done a article about Ged mate?
if you have sorry and I will look forward to reading it
he was the manager who I liked but he so frustrated me with his signings sometimes or lack of signing might be a better term
still to this day cannot work out Salif Diao or Jean Micheal Ferri or Sean Dundee.

{Ed001's Note - no, but I will be in time, when I get that far in my 'Former Liverpool Managers' series. Though it will not go into depth about his time before and after us, I will be purely concentrating on his time with us.}


5.) 24 Jun 2018 09:26:51
just made my day ed cheers mate.


6.) 24 Jun 2018 09:38:32
Apparently Ferri was brought into the dressing room to weed out the trouble makers. Pretended he couldn't speak English but listened to everything and went back to houllier with what was said.

{Ed001's Note - Houllier was known for those kind of tactics, he always had an ear in every dressing room at clubs.}


7.) 24 Jun 2018 10:57:39
wow if this is true Ben then that is some james bond tactics lol
it would make sense to why he was bought though.


8.) 24 Jun 2018 13:12:38
I often detect a lack of love for Houlier from Ed001 but I had a lot of time for him to be honest and he did seem to have a genuine love for the club and Liverpool itself. yes some of his signings were poor but show me any manager who you can't say that about. That 2000/ 1 season where we won 5 trophies is the most success we've seen in 30+ years and quite a few of his signings contributed to the CL win in 2005. I think time may be judging his failings too harshly.

{Ed001's Note - lack of love? I like Ged a lot, he is a lovely fella and gave me some of my greatest memories watching us live. However that does not mean, just because I have a liking for him as a person I will overlook his major shortcomings. He was a tyrant as manager, he forced God out of the club, he refused to take an opportunity to sign Anelka, he brought a lot of dross, he employed utterly useless coaches and treated a lot of the lower paid staff badly. The style of play was not the best either, it was far too defensive.}


9.) 24 Jun 2018 13:22:10
TBH Ed aren't most succesful managers like that in the way they run clubs? I don't know any but I'd guess they're all seeiously ruthless in different ways - maybe the pressure of the job just makes them that way. As you say, he seems a lovely fella which is why I'm surprised about the poor treatment of junior staff.

{Ed001's Note - very few are like that. They make the final decisions but the best delegate. Look at Fergie, he would have an assistant manager who took all the training and set the style of play. Paisley very rarely had time to take training when he was a manager. A great manager uses his staff's ability to the fullest, rather than just tells them what to do regardless of their skillset. He wanted a bunch of robots, not men, to work under him.}


10.) 24 Jun 2018 13:23:17
Ged was always insecure, blamed everyone else for his issues and was such a snowflake that he could not stand anyone standing up to him or trying to give some personal input. Till this day, he is still blaming David Ginola for his failure to get France qualified for the '94 WC, something they could have done by getting a point from their last two games AT HOME and yet, managed to lose both of them.


11.) 24 Jun 2018 20:24:14
Forced God out of the club. That line alone sums up my feelings today about the man. Brought some decent success, but the way Fowler was treated was awful, never held Owen in anywhere near the same regard with his inputing that either.


12.) 25 Jun 2018 06:32:41
Agree with ed about managers and training. Managers need to be observing training whilst others run the sessions.

{Ed001's Note - agreeing with me again? This is getting worrying now Ronald, you keep agreeing with me. We never used to agree on anything not so long ago!}


 

 

 

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25 Jan 2016 11:31:59
couldn, t agree more with patemondo re EMS comments on Moreno. Error prone, not good enough for trophy seeking team, what makes him good. Sorry EMS like a lot of your posts and contribution to site, but if turn of pace is only attribute Liverpool harriers have some good youg sprinters.

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How can you possibly disregard the stat highlighted by carra that sacko and skirted played 17 games together and managed one clean sheet only.sorry sacko is still young so maybe some hope with good coaching but skytel plus Johnson an dagger are not the future

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17 Jul 2018 07:32:36
Hi Ron I know we probably couldn’t get him but I think on his performances in the World Cup he could have a great future The original question was on the lines of what GKs do people like and I liked him.

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05 Jul 2018 23:34:39
Not everybody is wishing any harm to Karius I cerainly don’t but I have seen no real evidence that he is of a standard fitting our needs and desires and I just don’t see how anybody has seen anything that suggests he will. Maybe he has done some things right at times but it has only been at times, I have seen much more uncertainty and mistakes.

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01 Jul 2018 09:02:37
Salah why are so struck on Allison from what I have seen I don’t think he is in the same class as D Gea Cortois (spelling) or Petre Ceck (spelling) of three years ago.

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15 Aug 2017 11:50:54
How can Klopp not see what we have all seen for a long time. The issue might not be down entirely to the defenders as much as lack of organisation on the pitch. We played team which consist of supposedly lesser quality of our players (I say this respectfully ) shut our attack down on numourous occasions and go on to win. I am impressed when I see our attack in full flow but as of yet we have won nothing. As much as I hate to say it I am not sure Barton may be right, just my opinion.

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18 Oct 2016 14:54:18
we lose him to the African nations cup or something.

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