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28 Dec 2014 19:49:43
Hi eddy is there any truth in our signing bernidino(spelling) of west brom and what do you think.studge is due back but I am concerned about his injury issues thank and all the best for 2015


{Ed001's Note - I am not aware of any truth in him coming to us in January, though we are watching him regularly. We are just one of many keeping tabs, no more.}

1.) 29 Dec 2014 09:22:39
Buying Berahino makes no sense. Too similar to Origi in every way except Nationality. I'd even put Origi slightly ahead of him. Pure waste of money.

If we need to buy a youngster again buy Dybala. Gives us a different option of striker and looks unreal. He's left foot looks a real banger. A good few of Berahino's goals are penos.

Personally I'd go for Vela, Doumbia, Martinez etc. Ones with proven goal scoring records.

If not these, then Jaime Baez. Far cheaper and looks the real deal on Youtube.

To be fair, my knowledge of Dybala and Jaime Baez is probably not good enough to judge properly but one thing I am almost certain of, berahino will be more money flushed down the toilet.

2.) 29 Dec 2014 18:55:54
We might also be watching Benidorm on ITV.

3.) 30 Dec 2014 00:54:09
Berahinho is a great talent, but for anything over £15m, we need a proven talent, not more potential.



08 Jul 2014 19:20:19
What has changed that seven months ago we were trying like,,,,,, to sign Kono now we appear to have no interest at all and appear to be prepared twice as much for markovic


{Ed002's Note - I really don't know but no contact since January.}

1.) 08 Jul 2014 23:40:58
And a figure under what we had been quoted as offering mind boggling.




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06 Aug 2018 19:25:47
Yes ed 0025 you are absolutely right but that Is human nature, your club are trying to get there now. If you can't beat them join them I think is a common responce.


{Ed025's Note - i will have that evered, but money is ruining the game and the gap between the have,s and have not,s is widening mate, and what about the youngsters coming through?, do you instead of blooding a kid into the side just buy another superstar from abroad?, all the top clubs are guilty and even clubs like fulham and wolves are going down that route, but i will get off my soap box now..

1.) 06 Aug 2018 20:26:19
It's the media controlling the game. The constant strain on managers to produce instant results means they will over look a talented youngster for a proven foreign player. It sucks.

If there were less pressure on managers then England would have a bigger pool of players to choose from. Even 20 years ago, brewster would be starting for liverpool.

{Ed025's Note - im with you robbie..

2.) 06 Aug 2018 20:48:57
Nonsense Brewster would have been just a twinkle in his dad's eye 20 years ago.

{Ed025's Note - i think he meant if it was the same climate today as 20 years ago mate..

3.) 06 Aug 2018 20:52:59
Would Owen have been the superstar he was at 18 or 19 nowadays? It was a little before I could properly judge him as anything other than a new hero, but I rather doubt it.

4.) 06 Aug 2018 21:29:03
If Owen was an 18 year old coming through now he wouldn’t get a game as long as firmino is fit, managers at the top end of the table can’t afford to give the kids the time and patience that they need nowadays. They need good loans or to hold out on the top clubs till they are ready to be successful now.

{Ed025's Note - i cant dispute that den..

5.) 06 Aug 2018 21:43:28
I think to much is put into this giving youngsters a chance.

If a player is good enough then he will get his chances regardless of age.

Players have to take there chances when they get there chance.

Regarding Owen if he was coming through now then he would have taken his chance and got in the first team, and how many youngsters have actually left Liverpool and become top players?

We all (including myself) get caught up in the romance of a young local lad coming through the ranks and staking his place in the team but in reality majority aren't actually good enough.

Also I think the UK players are lazy and think they have already made it by the time they are 18 and on the big bucks, so they don't really progress from then on.

6.) 06 Aug 2018 22:09:15
I agree Lavers. I remember watching Owen in the reserves before he played his first game for the first team and he stood out like a sore thumb. He was a really special teenager like Rooney was at Everton.
We just don’t have any players in the U23s right now that you could say stood out like him. I’m sure if we did they would definitely get their chance.
You also get your Ross Barkley/ Jack Grealish types who are special teenagers but fail to progress once they get their first decent contract.
Not that I blame them it takes a very special mentality in any walk of life to get what you want then keep working hard to improve and achieve more.

7.) 06 Aug 2018 22:12:52
There are as many cases of players actually getting chances and not developing as there are for players who deserve a chance not getting one.

If Owen was in the academy now then he would be in the team. Do we not have an 18 year academy player as our rb?

THEY HAVE TO BE GOOD ENOUGH. Doesn't matter how much hype they have or how much they resemble scholes 🤣 if there not good enough then they won't play.

How many players who weren't really given a chance are there that have gone on to trully make a team eat there words?

Then name the amount of players actually given at least 50 games who just weren't as good as there hype.

Then name the same amount of players who where played and came good and now play in there respective teams.

There not completely level but it's there about.

It's not as lob sided as people think.

People seem to make things up aswel luke this has never been the case. Teams have always bought players. Always. There's only even been a handful that have won things with more than half made from academy players than bought players.

You have to take so many things under consideration aswel though.

United class of 92. How many would of been offered better contacts by other clubs, if I'm right then bosmns weren't introduced yet and there wasn't as much money in the academy game. Point being how many players have Everton, liverpool, arsenal, Barcelona, city, Chelsea etc all lost that would of played and then given a better outlook for academy players in their teams.

For example dhanda has just left us. Gerrard cousin has just left city. There's a lot of this happening behind the seens that we don't see.

There is as much money issues from the players as there is from the club's aswel. The club's want instant success so buy players and academy players seem to think they should be club regulars at the age of 17 and on 200k a week.

So money is ruining things but from both sides. Apparently sterling's agent now wants 300k a week for him, yet oxlade came to us for less than Chelsea offered. Maybe we should just ban agents or home grow them and allocate them one like a social worker, fully trained by the fa to properly advice these boys and there families etc.

{Ed025's Note - banning agents would be a great start KB..

8.) 06 Aug 2018 22:35:15
Are you guys having a laugh? Trent has been given every chance because the cream rises to the top.

9.) 06 Aug 2018 22:53:12
We have Solanke, player of the tournament in u21 wc win. We have brewster, top goal scorer in recent u19 wc win.

When Owen was a youngster he was special, so was fowler, mcmanaman, carra, redknapp. And in those days managers were given 5 years no problem. Many clubs had the same manager for years and years. In short, they had the time to bring in youngsters.

In part it is the media, calling managers into question after 4 losses. I remember keown last season, he loves wenger and the boys in motd were saying "wenger needs to go" and you could see keown didn't really believe it he was forced to say it. I don't like this throwaway attitude in football.

The other part is media related. It's the money involved and the rewards for not being relegated or qualifying for Europe. Owners want success now, which makes it harder for the youngsters.

Brewster is a special player, and perhaps Owen was rushed through too quickly. His career petered out with injury.

Klopp has at least given some youngsters a shot. It's seems like a compromise. We will use a home grown rb if we can spend 60mil on a new cm.

10.) 06 Aug 2018 22:53:46
aye? owen, like fowler were fantastics talents coming through. The current crop of academy grads are nowhere near their level at the same age. this is why they don't play.

11.) 06 Aug 2018 22:59:15
The best players will always break through, what we fail to realise is how rare the best players are.

Having said that I'd like to see the big clubs close their academies, they're glorified PR stunts. My preference would be younger players start out at smaller clubs and earn a move to the big clubs off the back of hard work and real talent. I hate the constant speculation we have with youth players at the moment, building them up only to carry them aside when they inevitably fail at the highest level.

{Ed0333's Note - your idea seems fabulous in principle but will never happen mate.

12.) 06 Aug 2018 23:54:52
Or just put a lock on the minimum age any player can play in the prem. Say 20/ 21.

Make it so academy players have to have at least some qualification and stleast 30 professional games.

They woudlnt be rushed. Would have to go out and play. Couldn't have careers wasted on the bench and would force club's to invest proper time into the career paths they create for these players.

13.) 07 Aug 2018 01:03:26
That sounds completely illegal kloppsboss.

14.) 07 Aug 2018 07:53:12
Owen got his chance because of injury, came on as a sub and scored. He didn’t stop for a few seasons. The rest is history.

If these youngsters were as good as Owen was they’d do the same. You have to be good enough to take your chance. Solanke hasn’t been so far.

{Ed001's Note - it doesn't always work like that Ron. Rush was a 100 times the players Owen was, but was terrible for us for 3 years after signing as a teenager. There are many many more examples of players who struggles as teens that go on to be successes than there are of teens who burst on the scene as teens and go on to have great careers.}

15.) 07 Aug 2018 10:04:59
For United, I remember a young lad called James Wilson got his chance when injuries hit under Van Gaal and did really well, may have even scored a couple (? ) but nothing came of it in the end. When Rashford did the same the next season, he managed to grasp the chance with both hands as well but had longer to impress. Had he been in the same form as he was last season when his shot came, we'd unlikely be seeing an England international now, but another kid farmed out to get loan experience in the championship. He's obviously got quality, but confidence can be absolutely massive when making the step up.

Trent got his chance because of injuries and was able to be persevered with because of the position he plays (a striker or attacker or anyone who plays down the spine rarely gets as much time to impress before they are judged - and usually harshly) . We can see he has the talent to succeed, but there were a lot more forces at play than him being the cream of the crop.

16.) 07 Aug 2018 10:58:59
If Ferguson was around in today's media driven football he would have been sacked long be ore giggs, beckham and Co got their shot. He was given time to bring through youngsters and although it galls me to say it, built one of the finest teams ever.

Of course it has changed. It's not really debatable. It is harder for youngsters to break through now than it was 20 years ago.

I refuse to believe we don't have youth players who could cut it. And if given a chance, although it may take 2 or 3 seasons, would go on to be successful lfc players.

Why wait 3 years though? With owners willing to spend 100s of millions. Trent broke through but his chance came when Clyne was injured. It just shows. We have a few who could be brilliant if given a chance but we have too many players for that to happen. Camancho, ojo, Woodburn and Curtis Davis. Brewster and Philips could all fit in.

17.) 07 Aug 2018 11:55:06
To be honest it might have helped Owen sustain his career if he hadn't broke into the team till he was abit older. His child body wasn't ready for the dynamism of his play and the physicality of the league and his body broke down.

18.) 07 Aug 2018 17:44:34
Sure I agree there ed, Ian Wright and Vardy are also examples.

However, I was talking about young players breaking into the team and my point is, in order to do that you have to be good enough to take your chance when it comes.

That doesn’t stop you getting in to the team later as you mature, just a point about youngsters have to be competitive to retain their places, it should not just be handed to them on a plate if they don’t deliver.

{Ed001's Note - that is simply not true. They are not going to be competitive, they are in there to learn a role. Look how many mistakes TAA has made, to the point where the vast majority wanted him dropped. He was kept in because of a lack of a replacement, not because he was deserving of a place. Young players simply lack experience to be consistently good, so they need to keep getting games to gain experience.}



06 Aug 2018 17:59:32
It really annoys me when people say "We are trying to buy the league". Just because we can now compete financially with Chelsea, Man Utd, City, players are being attracted by our manager and style of play we are being belittled. We have struggled for long enough losing good players and having to shop in the basement. Football now is all about money, how I wish it wasn't, but that's the climate. If we want success we have to invest heavily so please don't knock us.


{Ed025's Note - people who live in glass houses though evered, its not that long ago that liverpool supporters were very scathing of the likes of chelsea, united and city for doing exactly what the reds have done recently...let him that is without sin cast the first stone and all that mate..

1.) 06 Aug 2018 18:44:45
Evered, we have made efforts to the buy league. It's just a shame we've been rubbish at it.

2.) 06 Aug 2018 18:48:25
Personally I’ve never understood why people say it, it’s something i would never or have said.

It seems to me it’s a bandwagon statement to jump onto to dilute the jealousy of watching City, Chelsea and United win everything for the last 20 years plus

Show me a team that’s won the league with a squad of free transfers and I’ll show you were the taxi rank is.

The money in football has become vile when you see all the poverty and suffering in the world that’s goes on in this day and age and the working class element disappeared a long time ago for me.

3.) 06 Aug 2018 19:29:29
That is part of what i was trying to say further below. You've criticised us, City and United for trying to buy the league in the past yet you've done it yourselves but without success. Now you're spending heavily and it's 'normal' and 'you're moving with the times', hypocrisy. Bit like Klopp when he said 'he'll do it his way'😂😂.

4.) 06 Aug 2018 19:43:39
Danny Murphy. I've always liked the guy, I think he was highly under rated by us liverpool fans. A great passer.

But his comment "liverpool have only 2 players who would get in city's team" is ridiculous. Salah and van diike he means. But what about alisson who is in front of edison for Brazil. I would take keita over fernandinio and I'd take mane over sane. I wouldn't swap firmino for jesus or aguero. Maybe firmino is red tinted glasses but I don't think so. I don't think serg or gabby would be able to bring what Bobby brings. Mane and sane is a close one too but mane is the cleverer player.

5.) 06 Aug 2018 19:48:48
Well when Abramovich showed up and bought everyone, it was unprecedented. Chelsea were a good team then became very good, and then a whole lot of new supporters came long in summer 05'. Man City were abolutely nothing then suddenly they could pay astronomical wages, so they got the top players purely from that.

Liverpool, United and Arsenal can at least have a proud heritage built from wonderful coaches, wonderful fans, and wonderful football.

6.) 06 Aug 2018 19:53:51
Funny the same lot who ridiculed Lfc for selling our bedt players and not replacing them properly for years. Are now ones giving it the big oooh Lfc are investing in really good player's for big bucks! I try to ignore them as tbh with social media and the scrutiny etc nowadays. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't! Enjoy the ride and excitement Klopp and the boy's have given us it's brilliant stuff.

7.) 06 Aug 2018 20:16:56
Well said lfc fan. Beef03.

8.) 06 Aug 2018 20:36:15
Kemlyn. Leicester. I'll get my coat.

9.) 06 Aug 2018 21:20:16
There is still one rather large difference. It is only one year where we have spent more than anyone else. If the trend continues then fine, throw the hypocrisy card at us (I still wouldn't care (if you can't beat them, join them) ), but until then, we're just spending the future Coutinho dosh and a bit more. Sell De Bruyne, Hazard or whoever Man Utd could get lots for and tell me they won't spend a lot in the next window.

{Ed025's Note - 2 wrongs have never made a right mate..

10.) 06 Aug 2018 21:34:27
We can’t compete with United, City and Chelsea financially long term but we have gone for it big time over the last 18 months. I can’t see how FFP will allow much more spending in the short to medium term without substantial sales but I’m thankful that we have plugged the gaps and for me we are in with a good shout of winning something this year.

{Ed002's Note - I think that is a reasonable summary.}

11.) 06 Aug 2018 21:58:38
Agreed, Den, and I don’t think it will continue in this mould from now on. We’ve got a top team now. It just needs a tweak here and there in future to sustain it, just as long as we are successful enough to keep the group together.

12.) 06 Aug 2018 22:50:16
Brilliant observation Den I'll definitely accept that.

13.) 06 Aug 2018 23:01:16
Robbie James

Firstly, Danny Murphy has been trying to move mountains to get into sky sports as a critique for about 10 years. I know him through a business friend of mine from Chester, he had a kid with his sister (before he married Joanne Taylor) and I can tell you know from first hand he is nothing but a gobrubbishe.

Secondly, Leicester did not win the the league with a squad built of free transfers, so effectively they did spend money on buying players.

No team, ever, has won the league with a squad of free transfers, so quit the “your trying to buy the league” because it is nothing but a bandwagon statement that when one knuckle dragging fool says it, all the other little lambs will follow in the pub at 5:50pm on a Sunday afternoon when there team has been torn a new one by city, United or Chelsea and they have to go back to there minimum wage jobs in TK Makks

business is business, the prices you pay for a player are nothing but indicative of the market and if you are stupid enough to pay it.

{Ed0333's Note - your friend had a kid with his sister?

14.) 07 Aug 2018 08:57:21
I think Liverpool have done the right / smart thing. Just say fekir or a "number 10" that everyone seems to want. If we have that squad going into next summer or the summer after less a couple of fringe squad players ; origi clyne etc; then do we need to sign players? Probably not if we did it would be something like "okay, wijnaldum or lovren or whomever is not no perceived at the level we need and there is an opportunity to sign a big improvement, let's get that player in and try sell the original player who is no demoted to the fringe. "

The overall outlay hopefully shouldn't be astronomical in terms of net wages or spend. First time in a long time we've potentially been in that position and huge credit to the club top to bottom needs to be given for getting us in this position.

Hindsight can/ could prove all of this wrong but that would be my interpretation of how the owners would be looking at things going into the short-medium term over the next 24/ 30 months.



29 Jul 2018 19:03:50
Unless we have given up on Ojo I would prefer he was not loaned to Middlesbrough. I think Pullis has a different take on football to Jurgen Klopp. I say no more.


{Ed002's Note - So you think the club should release him from his contract and let him move on?}

1.) 29 Jul 2018 20:07:07
No not at all I think Ojo has a fair chance of progressing in the right environment but you can gather I don’t think much of Pulis to develope young players based on what I have seen in his teams play.

{Ed002's Note - It is a sale being considered, not a loan. Klopp wants him gone as he is not in the plans.}



24 Jul 2018 13:29:51
Oh how I hope these recent reports on Sturridge performances in games and training is true. Without doubt in my opinion on form he is the best striker in the EPL. Maybe his loan to West Brom gave him a taste of reality and he realises this is where he wants to be at LFC and is prepared to do whatever is required to play a part in our teams progress.


1.) 24 Jul 2018 13:55:28
Yes, his loan at West Brom gave us all a taste of reality. he will never be fit wherever he plays for more than 5 games in a row.

Sadly too many false dawns with studge. We have to move on at some stage.

2.) 24 Jul 2018 14:15:08
I don't trust him in more than one way. He gets on with keita and is hoping that'll get him in the team.

He doesn't do what Klopp tells him and he gets injured too much. The way he is running is very worrying. As soon as he forgets to get his knees up he will pull up with something torn.

3.) 24 Jul 2018 15:24:19
We have the same debate every year and every year he gets injured. Why are we bothering?

4.) 24 Jul 2018 15:25:15
Huge salary to be paying in the hope he can stay fit.



19 Jul 2018 11:32:59
Re the comments about Klopp deserting his principles. The players he has signed are of a high standard already and he thinks he can make them even better. The one position needed to fill with an estabished top player was the GK because he realises that if his team has to win trophies to try and ensure the players stay with us. Failing to do this will take him back to square one of his project. Here is hoping we are successful this season.


1.) 19 Jul 2018 12:22:06
What are Klopps principles?

2.) 19 Jul 2018 14:11:31
I think Herr Schmidt was principal of his Kindergarten, but unfortunately he has passed away now.




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25 Jan 2016 11:31:59
couldn, t agree more with patemondo re EMS comments on Moreno. Error prone, not good enough for trophy seeking team, what makes him good. Sorry EMS like a lot of your posts and contribution to site, but if turn of pace is only attribute Liverpool harriers have some good youg sprinters.




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How can you possibly disregard the stat highlighted by carra that sacko and skirted played 17 games together and managed one clean sheet only.sorry sacko is still young so maybe some hope with good coaching but skytel plus Johnson an dagger are not the future





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29 Jul 2018 20:07:07
No not at all I think Ojo has a fair chance of progressing in the right environment but you can gather I don’t think much of Pulis to develope young players based on what I have seen in his teams play.


{Ed002's Note - It is a sale being considered, not a loan. Klopp wants him gone as he is not in the plans.}



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17 Jul 2018 07:32:36
Hi Ron I know we probably couldn’t get him but I think on his performances in the World Cup he could have a great future The original question was on the lines of what GKs do people like and I liked him.




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05 Jul 2018 23:34:39
Not everybody is wishing any harm to Karius I cerainly don’t but I have seen no real evidence that he is of a standard fitting our needs and desires and I just don’t see how anybody has seen anything that suggests he will. Maybe he has done some things right at times but it has only been at times, I have seen much more uncertainty and mistakes.




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01 Jul 2018 09:02:37
Salah why are so struck on Allison from what I have seen I don’t think he is in the same class as D Gea Cortois (spelling) or Petre Ceck (spelling) of three years ago.




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15 Aug 2017 11:50:54
How can Klopp not see what we have all seen for a long time. The issue might not be down entirely to the defenders as much as lack of organisation on the pitch. We played team which consist of supposedly lesser quality of our players (I say this respectfully ) shut our attack down on numourous occasions and go on to win. I am impressed when I see our attack in full flow but as of yet we have won nothing. As much as I hate to say it I am not sure Barton may be right, just my opinion.