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06 Apr 2017 23:10:14
Heard liverpool made an enquiry about Geoffrey Kondogbia. Probably media tripe I know, but it could be new, lol. I'm guessing nonsense.

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01 Apr 2017 13:00:36
I've read a few articles stating we have an interest in Leon Goretzka. Now this is a young lad I picked out in a post. I wrote about players in the Bundesliga we should watch out for, and exceptional young lad but has only just broke into Schalka 1st team this year and has been expertly managed by their manager who even though they have been fighting for consistency, a bit like ourselves has resisted playing him every game and has seemed to of picked out his games carefully. Is their real interest there? I could see why there would be but I think it's far too early in the lads career.

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1.) 01 Apr 2017 17:20:48
Goretzka broke in to Schalkes first team a few years ago now, but has only been starting regularly this season, he's highly thought of and I think he's been well managed. if he came to the Prem he would take a few months to adjust, but I'd say he's more ready now than Can was when he joined us from Leverkusen.


 

 

22 May 2016 14:56:07
Good afternoon eds. Sky news just announced that Leicester LB Ben Chilwell has told his club that he wants to leave to join LFC, do you know anything about this or confirm it?

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1.) 22 May 2016 19:23:00
Ed002 has said before that another club who were interested in Chilwell expects him to move to LFC, and have been looking at alternatives.


 

 

10 May 2016 15:56:52
Rumours of Spurs £20m interest in Lallana and West Ham interest in Benteke. I must say I would be ecstatic to get that back for them two. We were never going to get back anywhere near what we paid for either seeing as we overpaid by about £10m on both.

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1.) 10 May 2016 16:56:39
Would not be happy to see Lallana go. He is a starter in our current squad, and even with additions I think will make significant contributions to the first team. He also fits well into Klopp's system and presses well.

Benteke obviously just does not fit.


2.) 10 May 2016 17:06:50
Don't know what happened but half message has disappeared. £25m Benteke interest and £20m Lallana interest and I would be ecstatic if we got that for these two was my gist.


3.) 10 May 2016 17:41:17
Lallana is a key player for us. He's improving with every game under Klopp who seems to like him.
Why on earth would we sell him.
I can see Benteke leaving . but hopefully not Lallana.


4.) 10 May 2016 18:45:21
Am starting to like lallana. Should b still a very good squad player next season. I would be keeping him in my opinion.


5.) 10 May 2016 18:48:19
Lallana has improved a bit but i'm still not a fan. In terms of Benteke i've always like him and have felt a little bit sorry for him but at the same time he doesn't really press the way Klopp wants and if one player doesn't do their job it kind of makes the others pressing just waste energy if a free bit of space opens up and he just doesn't seem to fit our system. I think a move would be mutually beneficial for both parties as it looks like he isn't really going to be in future plans. Good look to him though if he does go. Ill always remember his OHK vs Utd.


6.) 10 May 2016 18:52:44
I really think Lallana as improved loads as the season as gone on, I would certainly keep him next season, continuity will be very important to a successful season.


7.) 10 May 2016 19:03:39
Lallana is a player Klopp loves and why would anyone be happy letting Spurs have a player who will make them stronger.


8.) 10 May 2016 19:23:42
Lallana has improved a lot but still doesn't offer enough goals for the amount of games he's played and the positions he gets in.


9.) 10 May 2016 19:29:47
Lallana has constantly been the trigger for the pressing game as the season has progressed . He goes the rest go with him.

Personally I think he's becoming an integral member of the team. Mind you he's JKs neighbour, and co actor in the face cream adverts, so maybe he's nailed on to stay now anyway!


10.) 10 May 2016 20:28:27
I think the Ed's previously said that everyone could be for sale (they did say Coutinho and Frimino would ideally be kept to build a team around and also they have not heard of any interest in Lallana) .

To get £45m for both of those for me would be good business and give JK the ability to buy some players he would like (you would hope for £45m we could get a GK, LB and CB) .


11.) 10 May 2016 21:25:41
Defo defo keep lallana. he's been great the last few weeks. Be madness 2 sell him the spurs.


12.) 11 May 2016 07:14:37
Lallana to spurs, not going to happen. He going to miss Klopp's hug.


13.) 11 May 2016 11:08:26
If the rumors of Götze is reliable, and we can redeem £20M for Lallana, and get £25M for Benchteke, that more than covers Göetze, and probably will cover both agent fees and potential sign on fees, and Marios salary (B and L combinded)

And if Götze is arriving anyways, Lallana will mostly come off the bench in the big games and play as Allen have this year.

I wote for selling, if Götze is on the way that is. Besides that, Lallanas energy have been vital for our pressing game since X-mas.

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that Dan.}


14.) 11 May 2016 13:30:10
Kloppo loves Lallana. I think, in general, there are certain players who will only be sold if we are recruiting definite upgrades.
Lallana is one of these. He is having his best form under Klopp and is improving IMO. Unless someone much better is coming, he won't be sold.


 

 

05 May 2016 23:36:41
Hi Ed's I just wondered if we had any interest in Kovalenko? Looks a talented young lad.

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{Ed001's Note - which one? There are thousands of them, it is a very common surname in the Ukraine and there are lots of footballers with it as their name!}


1.) 06 May 2016 06:19:11
Believe its the one who plays for Shaktar.


2.) 06 May 2016 10:07:13
Hi Ed's yes it is the one playing for Shaktar. Viktor I think, sorry didn't realise there was so many of them.

{Ed001's Note - sorry should have made it clear, I have not heard of us looking at anyone with that surname anyway.}


3.) 06 May 2016 17:53:25
Ed002 has said previously that Liverpool were impressed by scout reports on Viktor Kovalenko. So yes, there is interest in the player.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United, CSKA Moscow and Liverpool were all impressed with the scouting reports on Shakhtar Donetsk's Viktor Kovalenko early in 2016. He was a player Liverpool had previous interest in under Brendan Rodgers before he signed a new contract in 2015.}


4.) 06 May 2016 17:53:25
Ed002 has said previously that Liverpool were impressed by scout reports on Viktor Kovalenko. So yes, there is interest in the player.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United, CSKA Moscow and Liverpool were all impressed with the scouting reports on Shakhtar Donetsk's Viktor Kovalenko early in 2016. He was a player Liverpool had previous interest in under Brendan Rodgers before he signed a new contract in 2015.}


5.) 07 May 2016 15:37:37
I personally hope we'd would walk away from anything that means dealing with Ukrainian clubs given previous experiences. Plus name me on Ukranian who has done well in the premier league?


 

 

 

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07 Mar 2017 20:34:14
Just wondered if there were any interesting freebies coming available in the summer? After all the right player doesn't have to cost a fortune lol.

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1.) 07 Mar 2017 21:03:08
Kolasanic of Schalke. We're interested in him according to ed.


2.) 08 Mar 2017 09:08:45
Gareth Barry is available this summer for free. Think we could finally land him lol.


 

 

13 Feb 2017 06:17:40
I thought I would try my hand at a match review. See if everyone agrees as there was a few talking points in my opinion. Right here goes.

On the whole I thought we plaued extremely well as a team but there were a couple of players not at the races that we need to be firing on all cylinders to mount a serious climb up the table to challenge Chelsea or even Spurs. It still worries me that without Mane we look ordinary. Im not saying we've become a one man team but we just become slow, predictable and ineffective. I don't want to sound too negative after what was a very good game, where we played so well that we made second place Spurs look extremely ordinary.

Mignolet- Had a very good game. Made some very good saves when needed. He actually commanded his area very well for once, coming out and claiming high balls. Still likes to stand too far forward for me though and could of been caught out by Ericksson but luckily his shot was of no threat anyway and I'm being picky. A good leading performance.

Clyne- Did his job defensively, although wasn't really needed. Didn't contribute much going forward either, in fact you wouldn't of known he was playing. Maybe that was due to Mane commanding that right hand side. He could of overlapped Mane but didn't really get forward much.

Matip- A couple of sloppy tackles but like with Migs, that's being picky as he commanded his box very well and is proving himself to be our most effective defender. A very good game.

Lucas- Proved me wrong. Was immense, lead the defensive line very well, read the game extremely well and was even very good in the air. His performance made it easier for Matip and Migs. A good strong shout for man of the match.

Milner- A similar performance to Clyne. Remains totally ineffective going forward but was possibly stronger defensively than Clyne. Like Clyne though I struggle to think of anything he contributed to our forward play. Link up play with Coutinho down the left was relatively nonexistent.

Henderson- Again proved why he's the rock of our midfield. Another leaders performance. Dominated midfield. Strong defensively but carried the ball well too. Proved why he's the captain.

Wijnaldum- Very similar to Henderson. The pair bossed the centre of the park and helped make life difficult for Dier and co. Used his strength very well today I thought and showed some very strong passes which I'd not noticed before. A very strong performance.

Lallana- Another that had a good game. Some quick interchanges. His game definitely looks helped by Mane. When Mane plays Lallana seems to speed up his game. Harried an tracked very well too.

Coutinho- For me Coutinho was the only weak link going forward. It seems strange saying it as so often we talk about how effective a match he's had and he's normally the spark of everything good about our play but during this game he didn't look at the races. Passed very well but was ineffective going forward and fluffed far too many chances.

Mane- A very strong performance and seems to change our game. Everything good about our game came from him throughout the game. His link up play with the midfield is what stands out for me as well as his pace and directness. We look a different team with him in it. A case for man of the match.

Firmino- Although some of his flair and creativity was missing he did lead the line very well especially when we didn't have possession. He harried, pressed and harassed Spurs. You just cannot fault his work rate and energy for the team. I do think his forward play is better the better Coutinho plays. Saying that you cannot fault his link up play with Mane either.

I won't go into the substitutes as when they where introduced the game was relatively over as a contest.

The two main talking points for me are, Mane, why are we a different proposition with him in the side? Are we becoming a one man team? And Coutinho, why is his game so off?

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1.) 13 Feb 2017 09:24:40
Yes the team is dependent on Mane a bit but it's majorly because he is mainly the only real player with pace in our team. We have no real player like him who can take on players and beat them for pace. Add to that his stamina has been phenomenal.
That is the major area we need to address this summer.
Add a couple of good pacy wide forwards uptop
Also left back too needs upgradation. Milner did well in the first few games but nowadays every game he looks really tired.


2.) 13 Feb 2017 09:26:45
It isn't that we are a one man team per se, not how it used to be with Gerrard single-handedly dragging us to wins, but what Mane offers is something unique that we simply don't have when he doesn't play: pace. This pace changes how teams defend against us and how they approach us - essentially if they don't get really tight on Mane he can breeze past players an create chances and goals; if they get tight it free's up space for other players to exploit. When he wasn't in the team there was a distinct lack of movement up top and it made our attacks predictable and easy to defend - when Mane plays it gives us another angle of attack and unsettles back lines which, in turn, leads to more goals. His work rate off the ball, in putting defenders under pressure, stops defenders getting comfortable and leads to mistakes - evidenced by the Spurs game. We are not a one-man-team but we are a different proposition with him in the side.

As for Coutinho? Coming off the back of a 3-month layoff I think he is just getting up to speed - it's not a fitness issue so much as a match fitness/ sharpness - often takes weeks to get back up to previous levels, I think he'll be fine.


3.) 13 Feb 2017 09:34:39
Pretty much spot on mate apart from saying we're becoming a one man team, just because Mane scored both of them goals and was incredible on the day doesn't mean we're a one man team, granted he's been one of the best players this season for us but we have many other top quality players.

We was a one man team when we had Suarez, today it's different, we have a team of quality players, of course this can be improved but what team can't be. Having said all of this, I would be worried to not have Mane in the team on any day. It depends how you want to look at it, he certainly makes a massive difference.

Coutinho has been off form but before the Spurs game every player was off form, he is fine and will soon be back to his best. No matter how good he is, he can't be top notch every single game. I'm not too worried about it.


4.) 13 Feb 2017 10:28:27
i think you are bang on the money with your match report.

The one thing i will say is that Wijnaldum while being awesome also proved that Can shouldn't get near that midfield, and he should be one of those moved on in the summer.


5.) 13 Feb 2017 10:57:04
Think Wijnaldum was instrumental in our play simply coz He kept Dembele quite all night. Any team who plays high line against us is going gnto get punished no matter who. It simply is our territory and we are the best when there is space to run at.

With our Midfield nullifying Dembele deep in his own half we simply cut off the supply chain to Alli and Kane from midfield ( One of our best tactical game in some time as Dembele simply owned Chelsea 3 weeks ago ) .
Alli never dropped into the middle and it was easy for us to win the midfiled.

A poor show from Son and Davis on the left means Clyne and Mane were dancing through the channel.

Think Klopp knew how to stop Spurs playing football and we exccuted it perfectly.

Out weakest link is Left hand side. Milner offer nothing upfront and also allowed Walker to bomb high up. Coutinho is not a winger, not oday, never was and never will be. He is an actual midfielder who occupies the flank simply coz we have no real left footed winger like Mane.

I agree with your view we need another world class winger on the left and we are good to challenge the the title.


6.) 13 Feb 2017 13:51:52
I didn't actually say we are becoming a one man team. I left it open as a question for discussion. I actually agree with what most of you said that Mane's pace and ability to occupy defenders provides space for others.


7.) 13 Feb 2017 17:59:16
Great posts, lad. Feels good to have great conversations with cooler heads especially after a big win. As for me, mane is a great asset just like Hazard is to Chelsea. Neither are a one man team. if you want a one man team, look at Arsenal and Sanchez. If Sanchez doesn't play, Arsenal is in trouble, plain and simple. As for Mane, he is a key player and allows us to pressure team even tho they park the bus. the prob with Jan was that we had Studge and Origi who were supposed to step up while he was away and they flopped big time especially Studge who with next to no pace, couldn't keep things moving in flow when the ball got to him hence, moves died.

Also, we were unwilling to flood the box with players via third man runs that drag defenders out of position hence, creating space and scoring chances. And lastly, our attitude and approach to games vs parked buses was poor. After 20 minutes without scoring, our team would just stop probing and lose focus and then we get caught on the break. Hopefully in the summer, we will target wingers who can do exactly what Mane can as he is now the prototypical winger needed in Klopp's system.

Also as a side note, I watched Julian Brandt play this week and I sure hope we get him cos that kid is special.


8.) 13 Feb 2017 18:50:28
Yeah I mentioned Brandt in earlier posts. He's got real potential considering how young he is. Two or three good buys is all we're short of. I'd like to see a 20-25 goal striker added. Especially if Sturridge leaves.


9.) 13 Feb 2017 20:32:56
think lots of us agree that we def need another fast forward in the summer, When Mane was away, we really missed his pace and drive, just imagine if we had another Mane in the team .

{Ed025's Note - hes quality RF and he drags the others up as well, im not saying your a one man team...but you are.. :)


10.) 14 Feb 2017 00:29:13
Ed25, Lukaku makes Everton better. W/ O him, you will not even score a goal BUT hey, you're definitely not a one man team.

{Ed025's Note - your not far wrong there noah, we do over rely on rom to get our goals, the difference is that thats all he does and his work rate can be sadly lacking at times, hes still only 23 though so that could improve but it may not be with us sadly mate..


 

 

02 Jan 2017 12:09:21
With Livepool playing Sunderland today can I take the opportunity to ask the eds their opinion on Moyes? Had a good spell with Everton then went to a dying Utd to Sunderland via Spain. Just a poor manager who luckily had a fair spell at Everton or a good manager that's made some poor career choices? Appreciate your opinion eds.

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{Ed002's Note - He was not given sufficient time at Manchester United. He is a decent manager but not an outstanding one.}


1.) 02 Jan 2017 12:20:03
I agree re Utd. Fergie left them with a massive rebuilding job on their hands and he was given weeks to patch it. I know a man needs to work but its the jobs in Spain and Sunderland that seem strange choices to me. Similar to Neville taking the job at Valencia, all posts look like a hiding to nothing.


2.) 02 Jan 2017 12:41:54
I think he is dreadful personally. He slowly takes teams backwards. He joined Everton when they were European hopefuls and left them in mid table. Just because it took him a decade to do it doesn't mean it counts as stability.

Now he has taken charge of a Sunderland team who had just got themselves together under Fat Scam (who himself is not a great manager), and sent them straight back to being spineless again. When you have a front 3 of Watmore, Defoe and Borini (ok not world class but still pose a threat) why on earth would you sit back and try and soak up pressure with Van Aanholt, Djiloboji and O'Shea.?

Bournemouth are proof that lesser sides can attack and still survive the drop, if your best players are your offensive ones. You have to play to your squads strengths and Moyes has no idea how to do that. He plays to his favourites and the players who are run of the mill professionals. He has no ambition. How that useless kid Januzaj is still getting anywhere near a premier league side, I don't know.

Even at Everton he persevered with average Joes like Howard, Jagielka, Pienaar, Gibson and Fellaini. He is too scared to make changes so he just sticks with his Mr. Reliable's even if they are reliably average! Not to mention his fascination with Man United rejects. I really don't get that one. Even before his stint at old Trafford he was constantly picking up their cast offs; Howard, Gibson, Saha etc.

He's not even Championship quality. I like Sunderland. But they have a very bad individual making their managerial appointments. Di Canio, Keane, O'Neil, Fat Scam and now Moyes? Who is next? Ian Dowie? Neil Lennon? Or somebody even more average?

{Ed001's Note - Everton were not European hopefuls when Moyes took over, they were fighting relegation and he turned them into European hopefuls. His problem is that he could not take them any further. He is a mid-level manager and nothing more.}


3.) 02 Jan 2017 13:10:07
My bad on that one Ed. Thought he took over mid 2000's. Either way though, as you say, he hits a ceiling because he simply isn't good enough.

{Ed001's Note - no worries mate, just trying to be fair to the guy, he has enough faults to not need to add any!}


4.) 02 Jan 2017 13:19:58
Fair play Ed. I only started following football properly in 2005. So since I've been watching I only saw Everton going backwards. The first year I was a viewer I think they were 4th, and then over the last 12 years I've watched on as Spurs, Man City, Southampton, Newcastle, Villa, and various other clubs finished above them under Moyes! So in my era, I've only seen him taking Everton backwards. Quick search though and I can see he did initially take them forward.


5.) 02 Jan 2017 13:37:15
U should of seen how bad they were in the 90s mk.


 

 

07 Nov 2016 12:59:14
Hi fellow reds. I haven't been on for a while but I would just like to say how well we're doing. Much better than I expected. I have been proven wrong on so many things. I said in the summer that Lallana should be sold. how much has that guy stepped it up this year? I said that Hendo was starting to fail. now the man is running round with a new sense of life. I said putting Milner in at LB was suicide. its like he's played there for years. There's a belief, there's confidence and there's not just a will to win but an urgency for us to win, playing with almost arrogance again. It's good to see. Unfortunately my spine has took a turn for the worse so I don't know if I'll be able to actually get to a game in person this season but seeing us back in top four or even challenging for the title again would more than make up for it. Keep up the positivity guys, it's good to read. I've enjoyed reading most of your posts, Ron, MKSCOUSER etc. I'm currently planning what negativity to say in the summer because if this is how I get proven wrong I hope it happens more often and I'm starting to enjoy the taste of humble pie lol. YNWA.

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1.) 07 Nov 2016 13:29:36
Your negativity cannot jinx or help a team with hunger, galvanised by a manager who know what he is doing. You are just one fan in millions across the world. Just enjoy the ride (hopefully) to the unbelievable. Drop the negativity and become a believer! YNWA.


2.) 07 Nov 2016 13:45:18
Pool is is back without his Avatar image.


3.) 07 Nov 2016 13:45:18
Pool is is back without his Avatar image.


4.) 07 Nov 2016 14:02:57
Nice post and hope you feel better soon mate.


5.) 07 Nov 2016 15:09:47
Sound mate. Get better soon.


6.) 07 Nov 2016 15:53:44
Get better soon. YNWA.


7.) 07 Nov 2016 22:55:41
That was me who disagree with the get well message my apologies stupid phone. get well soon.


 

 

12 Sep 2016 21:17:02
Where's Benny these days?

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1.) 13 Sep 2016 07:00:33
Neither here nor there.


2.) 13 Sep 2016 07:20:41
To bad Benny that you stopped making pods.


3.) 13 Sep 2016 10:01:47
We've not stopped :)


 

 

 

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Yann Sommer.

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05 Apr 2017 14:54:33
Origi for me has to start up front. I would play Coutinho and Firmino in free attacking rolls behind him. Let the fullbacks provide any width and play a central three of Can, Wijnaldum and Grujic but with Can free to push forward.

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15 Mar 2017 23:55:45
Lallana has stepped up but in no way has he been brilliant. He haz had half a dozen good games whereche has showed up. Lallana is the biggest culprit for big game syndrome at Anfield and has mostly reverted back to type since his premature big new contract.

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12 Mar 2017 22:31:48
I disagree with most on here as I think Keita would be a better fit. He would just sit in front of the back four, he has a better passing range than given credit for. If Hendo and Wijnaldum/ Lallana knew someone was always behind them they would have more of a licence to push further forward. If Keita covered then other players could do the attacking stuff.

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10 Mar 2017 22:15:59
MK the amount of times Klopp has left me with egg on my face and eating humble pie Im getting sick of the stuff lol. I wouldn't judge any decision of Klopps until a fair assessment can be made. If Klopp feels he can work with Gotze again, if Klopp thinks he can better manage the Ox I'll reserve my judgement until after a season or two. All this pie and i don't even like pastry :-P.

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28 Apr 2017 22:45:36
Maybe Klavan is the player to go. Maybe Klopp likes both Matip and Lovren but due to their injury concerns he feels he needs another quality CB anyway. People pronouncing doom and gloom on guesswork! I've got an idea, why not wait until the window is shut, never mind open before ranting and raving?

I too would like a quality CB but none of us really know what will happen. There's areas all over the pitch that could be strengthened BUT it depends on who's available, who'll come and who we can afford. I personally don't care as long as A. They want to wear the shirt with pride and B. They improve the first team and C.

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24 Apr 2017 17:37:32
Andy, you fail to mention that we have let more goals than any of the top eight, virtually the same amount as each season under Rogers. You also fail to say that all the same problems as we did under Rogers. We still have players having to play out of position. I'm all for Klopp but you cannot say that everything is Rosy, our winning games recently have hardly been stunning performances.

I'm not trying to be overly negative as I think there is still a reasonable chance we will get top three never mind top four but that will just paper over another inconsistent season. All of us will be cheering our team on come Monday but I think most are just venting their frustration not at the result so much but the performance.

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24 Apr 2017 15:28:13
Why did he take them off? Because it wasn't working? A change was needed here too but he did nothing until it was too late. I don't think it's hindsight but more common sense. Hindsight is when you see something after the event, nearly everyone knew a change was needed before half time.

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24 Apr 2017 14:38:59
UEFALona, I think we both said more or less the same thing there Harry lol.

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24 Apr 2017 12:08:46
MKS we can't blame Klopp for individual mistakes but we can blame him for not changing the coaches, defensive and goalkeeping should be stripped of all coaching badges as they aren't fit for purpose, the coaches I mean. You can also blame Klopp for waiting until after the 80th minute before making a change and bringing on Moreno?! What was that going to achieve. We lost our momentum and were struggling before half time, everybody could see it. He did bring on TAA and Grujic but only when it didn't matter. It's not the first time either. It wasn't just the players that cost us points yesterday. I don't wanna have a go at Klopp but nor am I one of those in the Klopp love in but he has to take some of the blame. Attacking changes where needed early in the second half, with an injection of pace needed and a bigger goal threat and we had the youngsters on the bench to do it.

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