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07 Mar 2023 10:16:16
Bellingham, Mount, Nunes, Gvardiol. All sounds great and, depending on who/ what you can believe, it does seem like we are definitely pursuing Bellingham, which implies we have the sort of money available to sign him. But even if we only add a couple of players of this level in the summer, we're talking about spending at a level that we have hardly ever done in a single transfer window. And the difference now is that we don't have a huge amount of value in the squad in terms of players who we would be willing to sell who would bring a reasonable transfer fee.
So my question is whether we have the money to sign, for example, Bellingham + 1 other of these types of players. Total would be going somewhere between £150m - £200m for Bellingham + 1. The on-going costs/ salaries looks a bit better in so much as Keita, Ox, Firmino and possibly Milner would remove something like £500k per week.
Is this type of transfer activity in the summer dependent on FSG getting the investors that we're led to believe they are seeking? Doesn't seem like a great deal of time to secure that and be ready to go with large sums of money in the summer. Or is there already commitment to spend this summer from FSG, regardless of transfer sales or investment?
{Ed002's Note - FSG have been trying, without luck so far, to sell the club so they can invest in another venture. Plan B would be to sell part of FSG but it is had to see how that would help Liverpool. This has all been explained.}
1.) 07 Mar 2023 10:58:01
Is there no option to sell part of LFC itself Ed?
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool is not a separate entity. And if it were possible, where would the money go?}
2.) 07 Mar 2023 11:23:31
Presumably summer business is being planned without investment in mind. That will mean having to be creative and realistic in the market.
3.) 07 Mar 2023 11:23:31
Presumably summer business is being planned without investment in mind. That will mean having to be creative and realistic in the market.
{Ed002's Note - What do you mean by "investment"?}
4.) 07 Mar 2023 12:05:57
Until FSG either lowers the asking price to a more realistic number or someone decides to over spend, which smart investors won't do, FSG isn't going anywhere. Ed002 has explained over and over that any money that is invested would go directly to FSG and not to Liverpool.
5.) 07 Mar 2023 12:06:15
To the owners as they’re the ones who would be selling the shares, but I think the hope was then they would use some of that freed up capital to invest back into the club.
Sorry Ed I know you don’t like to get into finances, but to clarify then is the only way Liverpool will have significant funds to spend this summer a full sale of the club? Or are loans against future income etc an option. Cause I don’t see how player sales will generate anywhere near enough revenue to cover the cost of the required incomes. Or maybe we as fans just need to lower our expectations for the summer!
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are still carrying a lot of debt although it dropped around 20% last season. The club could borrow more and the owners can contribute to the pot of money, and any new owners could add funds. The owners may put some of any funds from a partial sale of FSG back in to the club, but they would need to see a return on that investment. Right now they are looking to raise cash for another project and the sale of Liverpool would have covered their contribution. It will rumble on for a while.}
6.) 07 Mar 2023 12:06:44
If was just be Bellingham coming in and a couple of free agents, i'd take that, Bellingham is one of the rare players, who is a get at any cost type player.
7.) 07 Mar 2023 12:25:39
LancasterRed agreed, I think Bellingham and a more defensive midfielder like Kone, and then a Matip replacement would be a great window. Don’t necessarily think we need 3-4 midfielders all at the same time.
8.) 07 Mar 2023 12:31:27
Unless i'm mistaken, both owners of Liverpool and Utd have set very high prices for their respective clubs.
What i don'd understand, is why have Utd at least had offers below asking and we've had none?
Is it a case of, whoever misses out of Utd will then turn their attention to Liverpool?
9.) 07 Mar 2023 12:36:51
If the funds aren’t there for say Gvardiol this window I would like us to hopefully agree a deal for him a season prior to joining (like with Keita) . Stops rivals from signing him and ensures he’s our player.
10.) 07 Mar 2023 12:47:50
I think Mount would be an alternate to Bellingham, not an additional player. Because both clearly play the same No. 8 position (although Mount is played in a more offensive role) . He himself has said he is a No. 8. Caicedo, for me, is out of the picture since his contract renewal. If he wasn't moved after an offer of 70 Million by Arsenal, I don't see how we would pay more, now. I'm not convinced by Nunes, especially when we have Bajcetic and Mount waiting in the wings. I'd rather go for a less "media friendly" player that is flying under the radar, at a lower price. Something that Klopp, and LFC, are known for uncovering.
We do need a CB, given how unreliable Matip and Gomez have become. Gvardiol would be great but then the price would be a new record for us, surely. And I am not sure LFC would go in that direction.
Spending 150 Million on two players could happen, but I don't see 200 Million happening, unless Salah or VVD are moved on. And if Salah is moved on then you have to replace him, because I don't see his immediate replacement in the squad. Elliott is still not ready, if that option is chosen.
11.) 07 Mar 2023 12:21:06
Gotcha, cheers Ed.
12.) 07 Mar 2023 14:48:18
Bellingham is nailed on. Gvardiol to a lesser extent. Do not fret.
13.) 07 Mar 2023 14:52:30
Maybe i am the wrong page, but I recall us breaking the bank for our gk and cb. We'll do it again. Jude is nailed on, it's happening.
14.) 07 Mar 2023 15:02:35
Walkon, those purchases were funded by the Coutinho sale.
15.) 07 Mar 2023 15:09:51
Tielemans of Leicester is available on a free transfer, i have a feeling Jurgen will sell Jones for circa 25 million is that a fair price? and Tielemans will be his replacement as a squad back up.
Locatelli (25) is available for 31 million the european papers quote he plays for the national team Italy, he likes a tackle and at six foot one inch he would be handy at set pieces, corners etc. he plays in the same midfield position as Fabhino.
I predict and hope this is our strongest midfield three for next year Bellingham, Locatelli, Bajcetic ( will be a regular starter next year, and future Liverpool Captain in the not too distant future) .
Please don't confuse Loca Telly for the Scouse football player Nick a Telly!
16.) 07 Mar 2023 15:32:01
Bellingham and Gvardiol would be a great summer. Seen someone post in here a couple days ago, that Frimpong had been looked at. He's a first 11 RB, maybe the dream of a Trent centre mid evolution could be coming true haha.
17.) 07 Mar 2023 15:43:16
If we had the never-ending pit of money that city, Chelsea and utd have. We could sign anyone, most successful club after all ?.
18.) 07 Mar 2023 16:54:10
That midfield needs at least 3 new players don’t let one result change that we need serious improvement to get near the title next season.
19.) 07 Mar 2023 16:58:18
We can’t be for sale. Certain posters have told us numerous times we aren’t and they are always right ?.
{Ed025's Note - well im certainly not buying you JK.. :)
20.) 07 Mar 2023 17:26:20
Ed025 I won on the lottery last week and I’ve told Everton I’ll buy them a new striker. I’ve also said if I win another tenner next week I’ll buy them a new defender as well.
{Ed025's Note - you can get 4 maupays for that JK..
21.) 07 Mar 2023 17:39:04
Ed025 I’d rather 4 Fredo’s mate.
{Ed025's Note - so would i JK..
22.) 07 Mar 2023 19:18:55
I really don’t mind our owners not particularly love them or hate them just don’t mind them
And I’m sure they are fully aware if they are struggling to sell us as is then if they don’t invest (in players) and get us back near the top echelon of the league and Europe their investment will be going down in value anyway so I see it as they have no option but to invest and maybe once they do and if (big if ) somehow propel ourselves to higher level they might get close to what they want .
23.) 07 Mar 2023 22:40:38
Gvardiol needs to be careful, if he “ain’t nailed on” he might fall off.
24.) 08 Mar 2023 03:03:50
Spending £270~320m~ish on 2 playing in Bellingham and Gvardiol seems very very unlikely.
25.) 08 Mar 2023 07:46:11
Bellingham and Gvardiol, absolutely should be looking to sign. Mount and Nunes, absolutely not, neither are good enough and there are better midfielders out there, specially in Mount’s case as he’s terrible in centre midfield as Chelsea have repeatedly seen.
26.) 08 Mar 2023 07:47:43
Another pre-season for our attacking group, couple in and couple out in midfield plus maybe a CB is all I think we need.
27.) 08 Mar 2023 18:30:14
Would Mount move to L4? Can't see a Chelsea boy doing that, although the rumours state that he is not a back up option to Jude and is a serious target.
Gvardiol apparently not available this summer, but worth waiting for.
If Jude joins, surely the other players brought in will be more moneyball/ Robbo to keep things balanced.
28.) 09 Mar 2023 07:58:50
Would he be expected to live in the stadium Spaceman?
{Ed025's Note - he could rent a 2 up 2 down in oakfield rd WDW, £80 a week is well within his remit mate.. :)
01 Feb 2023 09:20:54
Maybe only Ed02 is likely to have insight but has anybody got any idea whether any of the Bellingham talk has anything to it? We keep hearing that Klopp is all-in for Bellingham, that we're putting all of our eggs in the Bellingham basket for the summer (which is also suggested as the explanation for not doing anything in midfield in this window), that "his Dad wants Liverpool", that he idolises Steven Gerrard (not sure how much of a factor that would be anyway), that Henderson and Trent cosied up to him during the World Cup.
But all of that is pretty meaningless if we don't have the money, which will be a massive amount of money, to sign him. He could be absolutely desperate to play for Liverpool but if we haven't got upwards of £100m for a transfer fee and many millions to pay him over his contract, then what's the point of all of the above? It would be rather like me being in desperate need of a new car but rather than go for a sensible option that will do a good job for me now, something that I can afford like a Golf, I'm going to hold off and say that I'm going all-in for a Ferrari in the summer, when there is no chance whatsoever that I'll be able to afford that. In the meantime, my current car will probably fall apart completely and become useless.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have a declared interest and have heeded the warning about discussing a transfer with his family. Real Madrid think Dortmund will ask €200M and that is way beyond what they will pay. Chelsea and Manchester City still maintain an interest.}
1.) 01 Feb 2023 09:58:39
We better hope we have new owners by the summer then.
2.) 01 Feb 2023 10:05:04
200 mill!? That’s a crazy amount, though I think he’d be a KDB type signing for us for the next decade, so all in all if true its got to be worth it. If a proper squad could be built around him then i think we’d be laughing.
Even at that price I doubt there’s football fan in the country who wouldn't be envious.
3.) 01 Feb 2023 10:16:09
The price goes up by the day. If both United and Liverpool have new owners in place by then I wouldn't be surprised if €200m is the figure Dortmund slap on him.
I personally think that is insane as good a player as he is.
Hope all the 22/ 23 season trauma is worth it.
4.) 01 Feb 2023 10:27:25
He seems to want to come here and we seem to want him here.
Until he signs then there will always be a chance he will go elsewhere but it seems mostly in the bag doesn’t it.
I really rate him and believe his signing will have the same impact as VVD, Ali and Mo.
5.) 01 Feb 2023 11:04:19
What’s to say Bellingham won’t become another Pogba? I hope we do get him and he’s a success but “putting all your eggs in one basket” and potentially stretching too far financially for one player is a huge risk. VVD wasn’t a risk as he was premier league proven. Younger lads still developing from abroad, though could eventually make huge money selling on, are a big risk!
6.) 01 Feb 2023 11:12:29
It doesn’t seem in the bag at all Mikey. If anything it seems more and more likely that he won’t come here. We’re unlikely to be in the champions league next season barring a miracle, which will have a huge impact on our ability to compete in the transfer market, as our hand to mouth policy is dependent upon that income stream. You also have to consider that City are clearing the decks by selling Cancelo and looking to move on Bernardo Silva and Gundogan they’ll have the funds and room to accommodate him, and can any one seriously say with a straight face that the hot mess we are at the moment is a more attractive proposition than a competitive city side? Besides, our squad needs so much work on it we can’t afford to fix all the problems and buy Bellingham with FSG still at the club any capacity at the club, as minority “investment” isn’t going to find its way into the transfer budget and Bellingham doesn’t fix all the issues we have.
7.) 01 Feb 2023 11:51:10
Reckon I might be the only one who much prefers Matheus Nunes from Wolves instead.
8.) 01 Feb 2023 12:24:36
200m that’s us out.
9.) 01 Feb 2023 12:30:39
BrisbaneLFC I think you're definitely the only one.
10.) 01 Feb 2023 13:04:33
Very odd indeed that Youri Tielemans who is a free agent this June was not the subject of any transfer speculation during the transfer window?
Does that suggest that he is one of JKs ideal players and one he is waiting for? no transfer fee to pay also!
11.) 01 Feb 2023 13:09:07
If this site says its 200m it must be 200m?.
12.) 01 Feb 2023 15:12:44
It won’t be €200mil. That’s like £175mil which is incredibly unrealistic.
Good player, if that’s the fee walk away. Blowing your whole budget on one player is never a good idea!
13.) 01 Feb 2023 16:29:28
Buy him for € 200m when he’s 20 / 21 and sell him for €. 350 / 400 m when he’s 26 / 27. Buy him on a 5 year contract (which is going to be the limit), spread the payments over 5 years - € 40m per year and yes some of the revenue he’ll generate for the club over the 5 years via sponsorships, getting the stadium full and his name on shirts sold and winning PLs and CLs.
The above is a simplistic view because the club budgets for the club, not specifically for individuals but it it a bit more likely a scenario than the view that seems to be implied that we will be sending Ward or his replacement over to Dortmund on the 1st of July with € 200m in cash in a big bag.
14.) 01 Feb 2023 17:12:46
Of course Dortmund can ask what they want. If say PSG want to pay it he probably goes there. Doubt even Jude has made his mind up. All these 'preferred option by player' or 'leading the race' or 'favourites' are media/ gambling jargon to sell. LFC have an interest and will try to agree a fee. If not or the player decides elsewhere we go to the next target. If he joins, add a Rabiot/ Aouar or out of contract player and promote Morton/ Clark. LFC may spend 200 mil euros in total and its a fair outlay. I get fans envy of Chelsea but it doesn't mean FSG or any new owner should do the same.
15.) 01 Feb 2023 17:17:22
Can either moan about the price or moan about another club signing him. Klopp wants him go get him haven't signed a midfieler in 2 years despite needing one all we've heard is bellingham bellingham bellingham. Chelsea showed spending big money can be done.
{Ed025's Note - the problem is OK that the loophole that chelsea have exploited will be closed soon mate..
16.) 01 Feb 2023 18:13:01
Oh dam ed, just when john Henry was about to start throwing around money like a drunk lad in a strip club.
17.) 01 Feb 2023 18:21:13
It won’t be €200 million. That’s just my opinion.
{Ed002's Note - you are right. No doubt Liverpool have a pre-agreement to sign him on the cheap like Fernandez.}
18.) 01 Feb 2023 18:26:09
lampard splashed big. We know what happened there. Again last summer Tuchel spent big. We know what happened there. No guarantees of success just by blindly and outrageously spending. I'd vomit if Liverpool gutted the squad and splurged like Chelsea have. Give us two good mids and a CB who's not injury prone.
19.) 01 Feb 2023 18:32:10
He’s not enough on his own, by summer we’ll need 3 midfielders.
And when the club is £100m down coz we failed to qualify for Europe, Bellingham won’t be bought.
20.) 01 Feb 2023 18:44:00
Ah it will be €200m lads, Madrid THINK that's what there going to ask! They also thought they were signing Mbappe last summer.
21.) 01 Feb 2023 18:31:33
If not eds25 football will go to hell in a handcart. Some people don’t realize how much football will shoot it’s self in in the foot. Hope your well mate.
{Ed025's Note - your spot on ace. Yeah I’m good thanks mate and hope you and yours are my friend..
22.) 01 Feb 2023 19:33:27
Chelsea have just bid 150m pounds and offered JB a 15 year contract.
Another one bites the dust.
{Ed002's Note - Where do Liverpool find idiots like you as fans. Embarrassing over and over again.}
23.) 01 Feb 2023 19:42:14
Not in the slightest No2, just my humble opinion that it won’t be €200 million. That’s allowed I believe ?.
24.) 01 Feb 2023 19:51:21
Ed25 is that loophole where the new owner of a club can basically pump a lot of money into transfers when they first takeover? Is that one being closed mate?
{Ed025's Note - no MR. The one that allows transfer fees to be spread over a large number of years. Like if a player is bought for £70m and the contract is spread over 7 years only £10m is counted each year against FFP regulations. I’m thinking Liverpool would use that strategy to bring Bellingham in in the summer but it looks like things will change on that front mate..
25.) 01 Feb 2023 19:54:56
I am waiting for the enviable, unfortunate amd vile backlash Jude will get if he decides to go else where or Liverpools low ball bid is not accepted. The usual disgusting Twitter racists will be out no doubt. Along with people on here saying he's not worth the money, typical overpriced English player blah blah blah. he's worth every penny of what ever is asked, he's phenomenal.
26.) 01 Feb 2023 20:27:31
Ed02, care to give your opinion on what amount you believe Bellingham will actually go for? I know it's complicated with contract length, agent fees, misc add-ons and whatever else may be involved, but I'm curious to hear what you believe will happen.
{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid will not pay the €200m they expect Borussia Dortmund to ask for the player. It is hard to see the other interested sides meeting any such demand either. But it won’t be cheap, and at perhaps €150M there may be two or three sides willing buyers.}
27.) 01 Feb 2023 20:57:47
Thanks Ed! I don't think 150M is unreasonable considering his age and quality. He seems to be a focused dedicated player, so he'll likely at the very least retain his value well as he ages. Most likely grow in value as the transfer market hasn't given us any indication that it is anywhere near deflating a bit. The main risk is injury, but that goes for anyone. I think there are a lot of reasons why going big on Bellingham isn't as foolish as it may seem. Already has the makings of being one of the best midfielders of his generation.
28.) 01 Feb 2023 21:19:30
That’s some fantastic business from Dortmund. You’ve got to take your hats off to them. Players know if they go to Dortmund it’s a great place to improve and the club won’t stand in their way when the bids come in.
29.) 01 Feb 2023 21:39:52
Redflyer, you have a good coach in charge spending helps. Not spending doesn’t help at all.
30.) 02 Feb 2023 00:30:28
only stupid club will pay €200m for overrated player.
{Ed001's Note - you think he is overrated? Clearly not watched the lad.}
31.) 02 Feb 2023 00:01:38
Wow Ed02, really?
I meant nothing other than a simple joke about Chelsea's long contracts but you clearly missed the attempt of a little humor.
Maybe you shouldn't take everything so damn serious, have you ever thought about that?
I'm starting to see why this site is becoming so toxic lately.
{Ed002's Note - It simply embarrassed yourself and in general the Liverpool supporters - and most of the posts represent a misunderstanding about FFP, "loopholes" and payments for transfers. Thgis is why we avoid discussing any form of finances on the Liverpool page.}
32.) 02 Feb 2023 09:57:35
ed1 - maybe they he is over-rated at 200mil.
regards chelsea, surely they can't just keep adding players surely have to move some players on at some point. instead they're ruining Ziyech's career. I have no idea if this is true, but just parroting what I typically here when Liverpool are linked with multiple players or have failed to move on others.
anyways, thankful the window is closed and we can go back to watching the team's growth.
{Ed001's Note - that isn't a rating, that is a price.}
33.) 03 Feb 2023 07:16:12
My opinion is Bellingham's fee will be slightly more than Coutinho's to Barca. A bargain for an English player right now and I dare say future captain of whichever English club he joins (if not RM)
34.) 04 Feb 2023 00:14:47
I genuinely don’t get what all the fuss is about if I’m being honest. Yeah he looks a talented young player but would the price be so much if he wasn’t English? I don’t think so. Saw a comparison to KDB above. There is none.
{Ed001's Note - I disagree, he is better than De Bruyne was at this age by a long way. He is far more than just an attacking talent as well.}
RR's banter posts with other poster's replies to RR's banter posts
03 Apr 2025 08:49:48
Classic Moyes. Bit vague about the (should have been) red card for Tarkowski; "maybe we got a bit of luck" was about as far as he was prepared to go, but as quickly as he can he wants to talk about an offside in the build up to Liverpool's goal.
For once, I think there is not really any ambiguity about either incident (other than from one eyed Everton fans) and the wording of the laws related to both incidents makes clear the the decisions were correct.
Disgusting tackle from Tarkowski. That sort of thing should have been eradicated from the game by now. Completely unnecessary, 100% deliberate leaving one on the opposition player. It's not about getting the ball first. He did indeed get there first and cleared the ball but then DELIBERATELY made sure that he smashed his studs into the opponents shin as high and as hard as he possibly could. Ball had gone (because he'd already cleared it) so "winning the ball" simply isn't relevant to the discussion.
Any referee seeing that (certainly with the benefit of multiple replays) and concluding anything other than a red card is incompetent and not fit for the job (evidently because they aren't familiar with and/ or capable of applying the laws of the game) .
1.) 03 Apr 2025 14:27:35
Moyes whining is a bit pointless. As he was when he left with his tail between his legs. Still, he might find his precious one of these days.
2.) 03 Apr 2025 16:07:06
À scissor tackle from the side with both feet and studs up in the air. Any blind man could see it was a red card foul. But I guess the color of the card now depends on the reaction of the victim. If he's able to get up like a spring chicken then it's only a yellow. But if he's disabled or the season is over then a red is worthy of consideration. Bias much?
3.) 03 Apr 2025 16:43:19
To be fair VV I love a bit of hospital foot?.
4.) 03 Apr 2025 20:05:06
There's a report on Sky Sports saying PGMOL are saying VAR and the ref got that challenge on Mac wrong, agreeing that it's a straight red.
We should be amazed that after several years of use the VAR numpties can still get something as clear and obvious as that completely wrong, but the sad thing is nobody is.
VAR probably has a place in the modern football game, but with its current implementation it's about as much use as the utter tw@ts that use it. Officiation in the Premiership is long overdue a clean sweepout, get some competent non-numpty types in there instead of this "jobs for the boys" crap.
03 Apr 2025 08:39:49
That Pickford incident with Nunez last night was classic Pickford. He is such a donkey. Wild swing, so late, nowhere near the ball, takes out the man.
Obviously didn't count for anything as the whistle had already gone.
Beyond me why Pickford has so many England caps. Is he really the best English goalkeeper of this period? I guess the fact that Joe Hart is tied with Pickford on 75 caps partially answers my question. Hart wasn't much good either.
1.) 03 Apr 2025 09:17:22
The whole after the whistle has gone surely cannot be an actual official law.
So if a player just kicks or punches a player after the whistle has gone then its still violent conduct.
{Ed001's Note - I agree, but it meant the game was dead so it couldn't be a penalty. They can still send someone off or yellow card them, but that wouldn't result in a penalty.}
2.) 03 Apr 2025 09:51:45
Ed001 cheers for the reply mate.
Its crazy though isn't it. Just goes to show what happens when you have the inmates running the asylum.
{Ed001's Note - it is such a simple fix as well - have specialist VAR operators nothing to do with PGMOL's corruption.}
3.) 03 Apr 2025 10:02:35
To add and ask, why did Darwin get a yellow card?
If it was for playing on after the whistle had gone, surely Pickford should of got a yellow card. And therefore a another yellow for his tackle on him :)
Or was it for him rolling back on to the pitch so the game was stopped for him?
{Ed001's Note - the game was already stopped, so rolling back on the pitch is not an offence as it could not be time wasting.}
4.) 03 Apr 2025 10:59:21
I think the referee blew the whistle multiple times but Nunez didn't stop running. The entire ground must have heard except for him. I will give Nunez the benefit of doubt here, but a part of me thinks he did go for it knowing it wasn't going to result into anything. Now you can all kill me for that comment lol.
5.) 03 Apr 2025 11:12:16
Perhaps Nunez was dazed and confused with him being onside.
25 Mar 2025 09:54:47
If TAA is leaving, then I think it's disappointing that we're losing a player of that ability, a local player and that we're getting no transfer fee. However, I take a lot of consolation and positivity from the fact that Trent has had arguably his poorest season for us this season; certainly one of his poorer. Despite that, we look like we're going to win the league.
Maybe it's a sign of how the team has moved on. Both full backs were such an important part of our rampaging attacking in Klopp's peak team but we don't play like that anymore. We're going to win the league with our right back having a season that you wouldn't describe as much more than average, and with our left back position being a gaping liability.
Inevitably there will be times, particularly if we're struggling or our right back isn't playing well, when we'll get all misty eyed and long for Trent, but I don't see that it will make a material impact to the team and our chances of success if he's not with us next season. And I definitely think it's Bradley's position to lose. I note the concern about injuries but I don't think that is necessarily a trend.
1.) 25 Mar 2025 11:04:04
I disagree somewhat. I think Trent has been excellent this season bar a few very poor games, Man United comes to mind.
He's stepped it up defensively for me and it's a huge huge blow to be losing a player of his calibre on a bosman.
We now have a summer where we need to replace a LB, ST, LW, RB address CB and strengthen in midfield. That's also considering Mo Salah and Van Dijk don't leave. If they do then add another CB and RW to the list of signings.
Absolutely ludicrous to leave ourselves in this position. Mismanagement would be a polite way of describing the situation. It's going to be a very important summer window.
2.) 25 Mar 2025 11:11:07
Considering he's having one of his poorest seasons, he is still second on the list for assists this season for LFC with 6. Personally, I think we lose a significant attacking outlet when TAA isn't playing and our attack looks one dimensional at times without him.
I personally think he is massively under valued by fans and he won't be truly appreciated until he's gone. I think he will excel at Madrid.
3.) 25 Mar 2025 11:18:51
Honestly don’t care. People think we will lose a load of creativity but in reality a lot of our midfielders are stifled by having to constantly do rotating right back shifts to cover Trent’s laziness
Ever since Ljinders turned him into an inverted wokefielder his attacking output has dropped anyway, he’s not bombing down the right putting quality crosses in on a regular basis like he used to
Far too much of our system has to change to accommodate Trent anyway, and what do we get in return? A handful of assists, some nice looking passes and a few unnecessary goals conceded at the back post
When he’s gone Slot will probably be pleased to use a conventional right back and implement his own system a bit more. Trent can enjoy getting the white handkerchiefs waved at him as Raphinia completes his hat trick at the Bernebau.
4.) 25 Mar 2025 11:33:13
Monkey - yeah, fair point. I'm not saying he's been bad or a liability; just that I feel this has been one of his poorest seasons for us but it's relative to a very high standard that he has set.
Stuie - also a fair point but again I'm talking relatively. The great assistor has managed "only" six this season which is his lowest in any season since he properly established himself in the team. Often in the teens per season and double figures in all but one of the previous six seasons.
Don't get me wrong; I'd rather he was staying and I agree it's bordering on negligent management to get to a position where three of our best players are all able to leave for free at the same time, but purely in footballing terms and impact on the team, I no longer see Trent's departure as a shattering blow.
5.) 25 Mar 2025 11:53:24
If Trent does go then good luck to him.
I’ll def be keeping an eye out of Real games but Liverpool is my club and no player is bigger than that club.
6.) 25 Mar 2025 12:00:27
The way folks talk around here it"s like Salah and Trent are a hindrance to slot 'implementing his system', as if building a way of playing to make the most of two of the very best players in the world is a serious demerit. Both of them have had to change the way they play to suit slot's style this year, especially Trent, and he has done superbly and put maximum effort into defending much more often than not.
If he does go to Madrid, as much as I hate them it will give me a reason to watch them from time to time, safe to say it will always be a pleasure watching him and I will always be a fan.
7.) 25 Mar 2025 12:04:33
Also the fact that Trent continues to be labelled as a 'lazy' player is probably good justification for him leaving (if indeed he does decide to leave, which as of right now I have no concrete evidence for) . It's one thing with anti-liverpool pundits always making him out to be a luxury player and a liability, it's another with our own fans repeating the same even with lots of evidence to the contrary.
8.) 25 Mar 2025 12:19:56
I’ll just say thanks Trent it been great watching. The The moment I will remember the most is the assist against Barcelona from the corner.
9.) 25 Mar 2025 12:20:33
It's only when he's gone that we'll truly realize the impact. Out of the three lads, he should've been the first one signing a new contract given his age. His prime years and we let him go on a free - you can't make this stuff up. Shocking.
He's not even had a bad season but he's been singled out because of the rumours of him to Madrid for months.
Bradley is an exciting player but can we trust him to stay fit? not yet we can't. We'll need to buy another RB which makes no sense considering we've already got one of the best, if not THE best in the world.
The prospect of losing Trent, Salah, and Van Dijk on free transfers makes us look like amateurs.
10.) 25 Mar 2025 12:24:02
I have to respectfully disagree, El Bob. Both Slot and Klopp don't suffer fools and if Trent isn't putting in the required effort needed, they'd both give him a rollicking. On the contrary, I still stand by my opinion that Trent playing makes other teams more wary of pushing on to us since he can just whip a ball straight to our attackers. We have seen that when he doesn't play, the other team becomes more confident in attacking us. So his presence is a threat in of itself and I believe that Slot sets us up to make full use of that. If he goes, we're not only replacing an RB but we would have to change the way we play and set up as well.
11.) 25 Mar 2025 13:54:22
Trent made us a better tea thru out his time here overall, IMO. Just watch his last game vs PSG where he was not just shutting down Khavara BUT also ruining the life of his opposite no. offensively and he was on a tear till he got injured which IMO, crippled us in terms of pinning them in.
All in all, good luck to him in his future engagements with RM. He played his part in getting us where we are and that, I can never fault nor forget. Go do your thing, son. Good luck.
12.) 25 Mar 2025 14:29:07
Not a trent bashing as it seems he's leaving, but I feel it'll work out best around him going to Madrid. He should get back to the levels of assist he had during klopps early years where he benefitted by the space down the right due to the front 3 and salah taking the defences attention. he's not a good defender and never has been but due to the succes the team had it also looks like it was never really worked on.
This season you can see they have been working on his defending but he still has the old bad habbits of not busting a gut to get back to defend and easy caught out by playing round him. He does have the odd game where he's really on it defensively and been the player to get back and cover the rest like he has done also in the past, but to be considered a good defender not often enough.
I feel he'll be accommodated that freedom again at Madrid and be able to express himself again.
Liverpols benefit would be a better organised defence mot having to use players to have to focus on covering for him, I'm sure konate is most relieved this season his workload of having to keep covering for rent has been reduced. The downside is treats creativity that we would lose but you either find a like for like type signing or find another way.
I don't like the trent bashing going on about the way he's leaving to me that's on the club and although the owners leave the running of the club to others I do feel they have a lot of responsibility on there shoulders for how things have gone in the last few years. It's in their interest to make sure the club is well run to protect there value of the club. To have as many players we've had move on recently for free transfers or low prices show its not being well run especially considering they like to run the club as a self sustaining way. We're at a point of almost needing a whole new team to replace and it's hard to see where the money will come from to fund the signings when players.
It'll be interesting to see how the transfers will work going toward will slot have the last say or just a say in the type of player and not on the actually player they sign.
16 Mar 2025 22:25:09
Aside from the general all round poor performance, there were a couple of things today that simply didn't make any sense.
Newcastle's ploy on corners is obvious and basic. They have an absolute giant in their team who always comes in at the back post and they try to find him every time. Knowing that, why on earth would you mark him with the smallest (and weakest in the air) player in your team? Even if you didn't know that it was what they would do, why wouldn't you change your defensive set up as soon as it became obvious? And when Burn was winning every header and we'd escaped a couple of near misses, why still no change? Even after he'd scored, still no reaction. Mystifiing.
And then I think I saw us hit more long balls today than ever before. And where did most of them end up? On Dan Burns's head. Why would we do that?
All just very strange and difficult to understand.
1.) 17 Mar 2025 05:07:41
And then I think I saw us hit more long balls today than ever before. And where did most of them end up? On Dan Burns's head. Why would we do that?
Because other than Gravenberch there is no one player in the team who can receive a pass from the GK and turn on with it. And that’s how Slot wants to play. ENDO isn’t good enough for all your liking. So once Newcastle marked out Gravenberch we had to go long.
{Ed001's Note - and yet Endo was good enough to pocket City's midfield last season.}
16 Mar 2025 22:16:58
Very very poor performance. Got what we deserved.
Anybody who has been watching closely lately shouldn't have been surprised. Since we beat Tottenham and scored four in the second leg of the League Cup semi final, I reckon we've only had one really good performance in ten matches, and that was the home win over Newcastle.
In that time, lost at Plymouth (albeit with a second string line up), drew with Villa when we were lucky to not lose at the end, drew with Everton, scraped past a very poor Wolves side (a match in which we didn't manage a shot on target in the entire second half, for the first time since records began), got lucky at City (in a match when we had our lowest share of possession since records began), got absolutely schooled in Paris but somehow snatched the win (probably the most outplayed I can ever remember seeing us), and then turned in a lacklustre performance at home against the one of the worst teams the Premier League has ever seen, trailed at half time and needed a couple of penalties to get over the line.
Remarkably we have increased our lead in the Premier League during that spell, primarily because we've managed to continue to get results even when playing poorly, whilst Arsenal have been even worse and took just two points from three matches prior to today. Even with our drop off in form, the 12 point margin we've opened up will almost certainly be enough. I'll be absolutely thrilled if/ when we win the league and won't lose any sleep over the FA Cup, Champions League and League Cup but I'm not under any illusion that we've been playing anywhere near our best for the last couple of months.
1.) 17 Mar 2025 05:50:11
Agreed, but be careful what you say on here, or else you'll be shot down for not being a true fan.
We would be the worst champions in a decade, IF we win the league, which is absolutely not certain.
Slot is using the same rotation pattern as he did in a farmers league, whilst not trusting certain other players, who can do a job.
Diaz has scored 1 game in 18 matches, Jota has had a terrible season and Nunez plays a few great games per season.
Grav has not played as intensly at this level ever, and it shows-He is spent.
And yet Slot claims that it is nothing to do with mental or physical exhaustion.
He is going to have to learn the hard way- Everton and others now have a blue print, which they will attempt to use to derail our title charge.
Chiesa and Endo have the fire in their bellys, they are not worn out. Use them in the run in to help us limp over the line.
14 Apr 2025 13:15:51
If we need him at some point between now and the end of the season, then it's not ideal if the season is already over in his mind, but apart from that, if he and the club already know he's leaving, and even better if there is buyer already in mind, that's a good thing in my opinion. Get it sorted early in the summer and all parties move on.
20 Feb 2025 14:12:44
Context and nuance required, as ever. To those challenging the defensive frailty comment, yes we have a good defensive record if you consider the whole of this season, so on the face of it, VV is a bit unreasonable. We're second only to Arsenal on goals against.
However, that is propped up somewhat by how tight we were defensively at the start of the season. Just two goals conceded in our first seven league matches. Five clean sheets in seven. However, since then, we've only managed five further clean sheets in the next nineteen matches. We've conceded two or more goals on eight occasions in those last nineteen league matches. That's two or more goals conceded in almost half of those nineteen matches. And five conceded in the last three matches.
So I don't think it's completely wide of the mark for VV to suggest we're currently showing a bit of defensive frailty.
11 Feb 2025 10:45:23
Wouldn't surprise me, JK. Obviously any interested club would have to make the same judgement as to whether van Dijk can maintain this level for at least another couple of years and age is obviously a factor in this but we are potentially talking about a player who is regarded by many as the best (or at least currently best performing) centre half in the world being available without a transfer fee. Hard to think of a team that wouldn't be enhanced by adding VVD.
I wonder if the club/ the people responsible for contracts gambled that at their age/ stage of career, van Dijk and Salah would maybe not have continued to improve and would be happy to extend on similar/ same terms and wouldn't be of much interest to other clubs. Whereas what we've actually seen is van Dijk pretty close to his imperious 2018 - 2020 form and Salah having his best season for a number of years.
22 Jan 2025 12:10:05
Reminds me of Danny Murphy when he left Liverpool. At his press conference when he joined Charlton (I think), he could hardly manage a smile. Subsequently said he wished he hadn't left and had stuck around to try to fight for a place (Liverpool won the Champions League the season immediately after he left) .
It must be "difficult" if you are lucky enough to end up as a pro at the club you support but don't play regularly. Do you stick around, happy to be a squad player or a substitute, thrilled just to have the chance to get on the pitch sometimes, pick up some medals and a great salary but end your career with limited appearances/ minutes, or go somewhere else where you play regularly, achieve more individually and perhaps have a better chance of getting selected for your country, etc?
18 Apr 2023 13:21:42
At some point I think Nunez is going to just set alight and be phenomenal. I'd say he's had a pretty decent first season actually but I think it's just a little hint of what he can do. Goals, assists, beating defenders. The nerves and tension that he struggled with initially have gone (great run, first touch and finish last night) . Fast, strong, both feet, good in the air work-rate, passion.
10 Apr 2025 14:47:15
Faithinworks - I had the same thought. It's a system that some managers have had some success with, perhaps more on a horses for courses basis than as a fixed/ permanent approach. But I can't think of many for whom it has brought major, sustained success.
I think it often comes about as a result of trying to fit all your best players on the pitch at the same time.
Vaguely recall that Venables used it with England. Also Roy Evans when we Babb, Scales and Ruddock.
03 Apr 2025 11:17:02
Ed025 - I usually find myself agreeing with you, and I like the way you call these things as they are.
However, in this case I think it's part of the problem. We almost never hear officials and their shocking decisions being condemned by everybody in unison, because every bad decision has one team on the right side of it and one team on the wrong side of it. Fans, managers and players of the team who benefit from it will always try to find a way to divert or will give an example of another historical incident or will say "yeah, but why didn't van Dijk get sent off for that tackle three years ago" or, as in this case, will try to justify or brush it off as being somehow partly the fault of the player who has just taken a thundering studs up challenge in his leg.
I don't disagree that Nunez and Mac Allister (and Diaz and many others) do get a bit theatrical with how they go down and roll around on the floor but anybody could see that it wasn't the case last night. Mac Allister was absolutely nailed by an appalling, dangerous and deliberate "tackle" and could have been badly injured. And Nunez got booted by donkey Pickford. Clear as day.
We need all players, managers and fans condemning and calling out appalling refereering, whether it has gone for their team or against their team.
{Ed025's Note - listen RR if anyone says it was not a straight red for tarks they are lying mate, in this day and age its a none contact sport really and a few years ago it would not even be a foul....but things have moved on..
01 Apr 2025 12:43:40
The fact that it is possible to do this and be within the rules proves fairly conclusively, in my opinion, that the rules are not fit for purpose.
No coincidence that 9 out of the last 11 Premier League titles have been won by Manchester City and Chelsea.
25 Mar 2025 11:33:13
Monkey - yeah, fair point. I'm not saying he's been bad or a liability; just that I feel this has been one of his poorest seasons for us but it's relative to a very high standard that he has set.
Stuie - also a fair point but again I'm talking relatively. The great assistor has managed "only" six this season which is his lowest in any season since he properly established himself in the team. Often in the teens per season and double figures in all but one of the previous six seasons.
Don't get me wrong; I'd rather he was staying and I agree it's bordering on negligent management to get to a position where three of our best players are all able to leave for free at the same time, but purely in footballing terms and impact on the team, I no longer see Trent's departure as a shattering blow.
17 Mar 2025 12:06:50
Fair point in the OP. Salah isn't really that player he used to be, who you only have to give the ball to his feet and he'll go on mazy runs past three defenders. He's not really had that to his game so much for two or three years now. But he's evolved his game brilliantly to still be deadly and maintain his level of contribution. The difference now though is that he needs service and passes into the right areas, and also movement of other players into dangerous areas to receive those lovely through balls and bent crosses from Salah, rather than simply get the ball to him on the left touch line and sit back and let him dribble past defenders.