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18 May 2022 15:10:56
Is anybody familiar with the add-ons in the transfer deal that Villa did with City for Grealish?

For example, do Villa get another few million £ as and when City win things such as the league or Champions league?

Could a City league title win be worth millions to Villa?

I'm going to assume that the professionalism of the players and management comes before anything else but it's another interesting detail.

RR

1.) 18 May 2022 15:52:30
What difference does it make? It's crazy to even talk abt it at this level. It's mind boggling.


2.) 18 May 2022 17:26:58
Yes they get to laugh there tits off when he finishes 2nd.


3.) 18 May 2022 17:26:58
Yes they get to laugh there tits off when he finishes 2nd.


4.) 18 May 2022 20:23:10
OP respectfully, why is that relevant and why do you care, exactly?


5.) 18 May 2022 17:49:25
Aston Villa Pulled Man Citys pants down enough getting 100 Mill for that waste of space, they didn't need add ons. And no it won't mean AV stop playing and let Man City win.


6.) 18 May 2022 20:37:46
We spend 99% of our time saying teams roll over whilst playing City.

Now we are adamant Villa won’t when there’s money involved 🤣.


7.) 18 May 2022 20:48:59
It's a sport. and a business.


8.) 19 May 2022 00:00:42
The old Babelcopter will be lifting the trophy from the SaudiHad Stadium on around 89 minutes when pipco dinks ederson to make it 3-0 Villa. Flying straight down the east lancs and dropping it into the Kop End with red ribbons After a 2-0 home win courtesy of a magical brace of own goals from Connor Cody.


9.) 19 May 2022 04:46:49
@Oli, I think the (slanderous) inference that Villa might make a financial gain based on additional transfer bonus payments to be received from Citeh for Mr Grealish, should Citeh win the league, thus ensuring that Villa give less than 100% effort against our rivals.

@Kopforever, now I’ve got The Smiths stuck in my head.


10.) 19 May 2022 07:22:36
Who wasted more money, United on their cart horse Maguire (or Pogba for that matter) or City on Grealish?


11.) 19 May 2022 07:36:26
That babelcopter joke isn’t funny any more, and there’s definitely no need to panic.

Frankly, Mr Shankly wouldn’t have thrown in the towel, saying Villa will throw the game for a few quid is a miserable lie.

I think there’s a few more smiths titles in there West Derby, i may have started something I can’t finish.


12.) 19 May 2022 08:21:25
WDW, thanks for the response. Either way, that's none of my business and could not be arsed about any of that financial stuff esp. if it is slanderous.


13.) 19 May 2022 09:40:47
Don’t we accuse teams of not trying (technically throwing games) against City all the time?

Is that not slander?

I really really hope that Villa get a result against City on Sunday but i wonder what peoples thoughts will be if City absolutely hammer them and whether this becomes a non story again.


14.) 19 May 2022 09:41:58
15 million is not a small amount this is the amount mica richards has said is involved if city win league on the internet.


15.) 19 May 2022 09:46:53
Considering there was a release clause for £100m I can’t see how they would get add-one too. I think the £100m was more than enough.


16.) 19 May 2022 10:47:51
Albeydered 15M is nothing to do with AV players or manager. It's not like it's their personal money is it? Unless you think AV board will personally ask Gerrard and the players to lose the game personally which is unlikely.


17.) 19 May 2022 11:46:59
@JK, sometimes it’s hard to tell if it’s delusional rather than slander. In this case as it’s happened beforehand I’m going with slander. Actually, I suppose it’s libel rather than slander as libel is defamation in a permanent form and slander is more for non-permanent (usually spoken) defamation.


 

 

18 May 2022 09:16:53
Must admit, I saw the line up pre-match last night and I thought Klopp had overdone in with the rotating/ resting. I know some are injured and others probably just not ready after Saturday but only two of our current first-choice starting line-up were in the team that started the match last night, a match in which a win would take us into the final match of the season with a chance of winning the league title - i. e. an absolute must-win last night.

So fair play to Klopp and the players he put out. I know Southampton aren't exactly hard to beat right now but it's another sign of the depth we have now.

Really happy for Minamino.

And I think Matip is going to struggle to keep hold of his place from Konate next season. That's not a negative or critcism of Matip but looks like we've got some player in Konate.

RR

1.) 18 May 2022 10:15:14
Great result and you can only play what’s in front of you.

If City had played against that Saints team last night we would have claimed that teams roll over for them and they were on the beach.

Great to see some of the squad get a run out and if we win it on Sunday they will have all played their part.

I imagine we’ll go full strength on Sunday in going all out to win the game and get the players ready for CL final 6 days after.


2.) 18 May 2022 11:42:55
great result - great season and the best red team we have ever seen. never mind the odd poor result or performance this team is just that a team and we go again YNWA.


 

 

13 May 2022 11:02:46
With Fabinho out tomorrow, I wonder if Milner would come into consideration in midfield. Personally I think I'd feel a bit more at ease with Milner coming into Fabinho's role alongside Thiago and Henderson.

I just look at Thiago, Hendo and Keita as a midfield three and think we could lose the game in midfield.

RR

1.) 13 May 2022 11:54:42
I'd rather Milner come off the bench, either as someone to close out the match or so he can take part in a potential shootout since I can't see him playing a full 120 minutes before then.


2.) 13 May 2022 12:02:24
Milner is a good shout.
With those three though, and another game to come on Tuesday, it’s substitutions of who and when.
Keita, Jones, Elliott, Ox and maybe young Morton might get some game time.
If not in the cup final, then definitely next week.


3.) 13 May 2022 12:31:10
Good call with Millie.


4.) 13 May 2022 12:36:26
Kieta started the last final against Chelsea. Posters might hate him but Klopp seems to rate him.


5.) 13 May 2022 12:52:20
yeah midfield feels a bit weak. Just imagine another injury and it won't look that good. Crazy idea but i would either play a back 3 with Konate, VVD, Matip or let one of those play as a DCM.


6.) 13 May 2022 12:54:07
Milner certainly won't be taking Fabinho's role. There is off course a chance that he could start on the right but Henderson will certainly drop into Fabs spot in my opinion.


7.) 13 May 2022 12:55:32
Henderson was class against Villa when replacing Fab, im hoping he goes positive and its Hendo, Thiago and Jones,


8.) 13 May 2022 13:08:37
Who is hating?

The point was - and I think it's clear enough - that a three of Thiago, Henderson and Keita would worry me a little, and that Milner would give us something closer to what we get from Fabinho.

Make it Milner, Thiago and Keita if you like, if that's not showing too much hate to Hendo.

Sigh.


9.) 13 May 2022 13:29:55
Yeah I can see Matip play a 6 role for us with VVD and Konate behind him . Maybe that’s an option and like you say we can always bring Milner in later.


10.) 13 May 2022 13:32:41
I seriously think that firmino would do much better in the role keita has been playing lately, hendo and thiago behind him. I know it's very attack minded, but why not just go for it. I think him and thiago would link up brilliantly. Whatever happens I hope jota doesn't start, I know he scores goals but he loses the ball far too much, his first touch is as if he's kicking a balloon.


11.) 13 May 2022 13:39:41
RR Milner really doesn’t play the defensive anchor position very well. I’d far rather Henderson who can just about play there.


12.) 13 May 2022 14:10:13
Keita's dropped off again since the couple of good games he had in April, so I'd say there's equal chance of him being brilliant and being invisible. Milner's level is more dependable but he'll probably be out of gas after 70 minutes.

Which gamble do you take?


13.) 13 May 2022 14:40:26
I'm going for Hendo-Thiago-AOC. AOC brings more offensive threat than Keita even with Keita being in better form.


14.) 13 May 2022 14:46:16
RR I said posters not you.

Sigh.


15.) 13 May 2022 16:07:52
It'll be Henderson, Thiago and Keita. I prefer Henderson holding rather than on the right but I wish Fabinho was fit. There's not much cover after those three; well, not cover that has been playing regularly.
My prediction is Keita to receive a card. And Milner, too, if he comes on late on and we're hanging on.


16.) 13 May 2022 16:15:21
Millie at DM. Sorry, I'll pass.


 

 

12 May 2022 10:09:37
Loving all the "its not over yet" and "we're Liverpool, we go to the end" and wouldn't expect anything less from Liverpool supporters but, realistically, what do we need?

Personally I think it has to be a West Ham win. I can't see anything other than City beating Villa at home on the last day of the season, so I don't think there is a route to glory for us based on City drawing their last two matches. If West Ham beat City and then City beat Villa, the best we can do is finish level on points, assuming we can win both of our remaining league matches. So then it's on GD and City have opened quite a gap there. They are now seven better than us. If West Ham can somehow pull off a win, let's assume it won't be by a big margin, probably no more than one goal but two at a push, so let's say best case scenario is that going into the Southampton match, we will be three points behind City and minus 5 on GD. Win by three or four at Southampton and then going into the last day of the season we would need to win by a margin that is two goals greater than the margin of City's expected victory over Villa.

Pretty unlikely but not impossible and West Ham will, you'd assume, definitely be going all out to win to try to get sixth place. City are just in such hot form. If they avoid defeat at West Ham, I think it's over - I just don't see Villa stopping City winning on the final day.

RR

1.) 12 May 2022 10:30:48
Yeah if City defeat West Ham it really is over as the goal difference will be too high. Even if West Ham do beat them then we will have to defeat both Southampton and Wolves by a margin of 5 goals or so. City will no doubt be aware of this and will try to do the same on the final day against Villa, who do have a capitulation in them. It’s incredibly unlikely and to say it’s out of our hands is an understatement. Fortunately all we have to worry about is the FA cup final and then see where we sit afterwards, no point going for it if the final two games are dead rubbers. If West Ham can somehow pull it off then if Southampton fancy another 9-0 it would be greatly appreciated!


2.) 12 May 2022 10:50:48
If west ham manage a shock victory then we have to go full strength with our side against Southampton and wolves and still pray for villa to take points.

If west ham lose at least we know its done then and we can start rotating players for the final in Europe.


3.) 12 May 2022 10:58:16
I feel we need to dole out Southampton's almost statutory 9-0 scrubbing to have any chance, and even then I don't see it being enough overall. I'm not too sad about it, it's been a helluva season and to take it to the last game is as exciting as it comes. I also think coming 2nd in such a fashion will do nothing but motivate our squad, I feel we do better reacting to that kind of disappointment better than we do with last season's performance. Plus we are going to hump Real Madrid to win an almighty treble!


4.) 12 May 2022 11:35:13
does reality come into the equation? whether City drop points to WHU or Villa, either way City dropping points doesn't feel like reality. So however it happens is all good with me!


5.) 12 May 2022 12:19:29
Looking at the way they have matched and then surpassed our GD, it's feeling like 2013-14 all over again! I remember having to beat Palace by 7 goals!

However, the difference is that we know that if we don't win it this season then:

a) We're going to be there or thereabouts next season, and the one after etc.

b) We could console ourselves with 2 more trophies!


6.) 12 May 2022 12:32:56
2-0 West Ham win and us beating Southampton 6-0 isn't completely unthinkable, teams are rolling over for City now, imaging when Haalands there.


7.) 12 May 2022 12:41:30
So this is is what's going to happen:

1) WHU beat City 1-0.
2) We beat Southampton 5-1

The GD difference is back down to 2.

3) We beat Wolves 4-1
4) City are leading 3-1 against Villa till the 92nd minute. When Villa get a throw in near the managers dugout. Ings is the closest to him, and Gerrard does a Cannonier and send its quickly to Ings, who throws it to Coutinho who sprints into his favoured left half-space and smacks one into the top left hand corner of the keeper (something we have seen numerous times before) . The game ends at 3-2, and we win the the title by virtue of 1 more goal scored.

YOU HEARD IT HERE.


8.) 12 May 2022 15:28:19
Mark Noble and Kurt Zouma to stop city then 😂😂😂😂. Another 5-0 incoming at the London stadium.


9.) 12 May 2022 17:33:14
While we win no 7 and City's wait goes on.


10.) 12 May 2022 19:25:33
Far worse players have stopped City from winning Harry. Football is not played on paper.

If you don’t think we can still win the title then fine. My faith is dwindling as much as anybody’s. However, when you come onto these pages to gloat about how right you are going to be in the future when Liverpool don’t win the title, you just look like a massive loser. Why do you need to spoil everybody else’s fun to make yourself look clever? I can assure you after your posts over many years on these pages nobody thinks you’re Aristotle.

If you are spending more time and getting more joy out of predicted the worst case scenario instead of the best, then maybe supporting Liverpool isn’t for you. That isn’t how we do things and no amount of negativity is going to convince anybody to think on your level.

Perhaps you know that already, which is why you decided to switch to Man City three years ago when it looked certain we were going to finish the season empty handed. You were gloating about us going out to Barcelona while we were busy doing the impossible.

If universal negativity is what you enjoy, go and support Everton. If negativity directed towards Liverpool specifically is what you enjoy, go back to supporting City. I just have no idea why you bother trying to bring everyone down to such a cynical and negative plateau for something that is, in the end, meant to be a fun pastime.

I sincerely hope for your own happiness that Kovacic is fit for the Final, it’ll give you something to cheer about while we lift the trophy.


11.) 12 May 2022 22:08:10
Hope Coutinho gets an entirely unexpected opportunity to get his statue and takes it.


12.) 13 May 2022 06:31:41
League is gone guys. Your just torturing yourselves. No shame in it, City have been superb. Still the potential for a great year for us also though even without the league so I’m not disappointed.


 

 

11 May 2022 08:27:26
One of our strikers drops deep into the middle of the pitch and finds a load of space for themselves, receives the ball and plays a brilliant first time pass, without looking up, for another one of our strikers to run onto, who in turn crosses for the third of our strikers to score.

Sound familiar? Firmino dropping deep, finding space and playing a perfect pass to set up the attack? No, it was Jota. Our second goal last night.

RR

1.) 11 May 2022 09:13:25
Only thing he did all game though mate.

Don't like to whine about players after a win, but trying to imply that Jota is a brilliant link man off the back of one pass is kinda ridiculous.


2.) 11 May 2022 09:42:23
Also involved in the first goal - he went in and won the ball in the box which broke to van Dijk to cross for Matip to score. So two "second assists" if you acknowledge second assists as being a thing.

Again, I'm not suggesting Jota is Firmino, or Salah or Mane or Diaz. Or that he gets into our strongest line up. Nor that he is a brilliant link man. I'm not even arguing that he had a great match last night. However, I am challenging what I consider to be a blinkered notion that Jota is somehow this weak link, a player who contributes nothing.

The assertion that Jota "doesn't doing anything other than score goals" or is "useless apart from his goals" is already a bit flaky when the goals being referred to are in excess of 20 for the season, but it's also factually inaccurate - he also gets assists (more than Mane this season) and contributes more than people give him credit for, in my opinion.

We have the perfect example here; a post arguing that the "only thing he did all game" was the pass to Diaz to open up Villa for our second goal ignores his involvement in the first goal. Completely ignoring something that happened right in front of our eyes because it doesn't fit with the view that Jota does nothing for the team (other than score 20+ goals a season. ) .

{Ed014's Note - simply put, a good goal scorer, not the best footballer!


3.) 11 May 2022 09:55:13
He’s a good useful player and he works very hard. I just think down the middle, it generally stunts our attacks because he’s not great at holding the ball up and linking the play regularly. I prefer him out wide. Still as you said RR, 20 goals and proved vital when salah and mane were at Afcon. Deserves respect but his limitations can be called out to be improved on.


4.) 11 May 2022 09:56:29
Jota can be so frustrating. He has these moments or even these games where he looks like he's figured it out, but then he'll go back to shanking simple sideways passes. At the same time, the lad scores goals and we can't take that for granted. Very valuable player in our squad imo.


5.) 11 May 2022 09:52:07
Well put, Ed014.

{Ed014's Note - it just sums him up mate, that and he’s a valuable squad member.


6.) 11 May 2022 09:59:53
Is Klopp really that good of a manager if he’s starting and leaving players on the pitch that do absolutely nothing?

If we fail to win another trophy this season then I’d imagine a lot of the blame will fall at Jota and Nabys feet.

But at the end of the day they don’t pick themselves to start or come off the bench.


7.) 11 May 2022 10:21:31
Should we not b grateful that we have the depth of front players that when 1r2 is out of form some of others step up? Mo flying 1st half of season, mane average. jota getting several important goals for us when needed, equaliser against spurs,1st goal against arsenal, winner at forest. Jota and mo not playing well at min, diaz and mane on fire. bobby has played well in spells but 2 many injuries this season 2 be a key player. Our front 5 is envy of every team in europe, and will be every big teams ambition 2 have 5 of that type of quality from now on, particularly with 5 subs in premiership next season.


8.) 11 May 2022 10:41:05
noticed that too OP. But I think it was mor by chance as opposed to habit as I don't recall him doing it much through the rest of the game or when he did it felt ineffective. But hey if it leads to a goal then algoods!


9.) 11 May 2022 12:17:50
Goals are the hardest thing to do in football. Jota great player for rotation as scores lots of goals. Won’t start every game. End of.


10.) 11 May 2022 12:27:43
You can’t argue with Jota’s contribution to the team since he has arrived at Liverpool, when he signed I don’t think anyone foresaw the goal return that he has provided! Don’t get me wrong he can be so frustrating when he gives away the ball cheaply or makes a sloppy pass but in truth Salah hasn’t been much better this half of the season, last night summed up Salah’s form of late getting into good positions but picking the wrong pass or just over running the ball difference is he is forgiven for these mistakes because of what he has done and his overall goals return. I’m not suggesting Jota is as good as Salah just pointing out that all players have weak parts of there game but are selected for the team based on there strengths and what they bring to the team and at the moment Jota brings goals.


11.) 11 May 2022 13:09:19
I don't want to belabour the point but nobody has been saying anything different. Jota is a goal scorer and knows where the nets are with his eyes closed. Firmino may not be so prolific with his goal scoring but he is clearly a far more complete footballer. Does a lot of other vital things. And integrates into Klopps's "football system" up front, far better than Jota. Maybe Jota will improve and become as effective as Firmino in the other aspects, but we're just commenting on what we see today.


12.) 11 May 2022 13:23:27
I don’t see why it is disrespectful or outrageous to appreciate Jota’s qualities but also acknowledge that he needs to do better.


13.) 11 May 2022 14:20:55
Its only disrespectful if we acknowledge players other than Jota and Naby on what they can do better.

{Ed0666's Note - I’d sell him as quick as humanely possible. To suggest we can’t buy a player better than him in all facets of the game for a reasonable price is ridiculous.


14.) 11 May 2022 14:32:46
No chance of selling it's rediculous to think we can get a player who can score at that rate lol.


15.) 11 May 2022 14:38:05
None of our players have had a perfect season JK23. They’ve all had their ups and downs. However over the course of their careers certain players step up to the plate when it matters whereas with others the bad can be seen to outweigh the good.

This has certainly been the case with Jota and Keita, although the past few weeks Keita has stepped it up a notch and seems to have more of a grasp of what is demanded of him. It might not be enough in the long term but fair play to him for that.

Jota’s all round game is still as average as it was when he joined and that is a concern. You can score as many goals as you want but if you can’t defend from the front or link up with your teammates then that isn’t good enough for the very best teams, and it’s no surprise that we look a lot better as a team when he isn’t in the side now.

Like i say, all of our players have had ups and downs, but i don’t think there has ever been a concern over the likes of Trent, Fabinho, van Dijk or even Diaz as to whether they are up to scratch for the standards we set. I understand that in the modern social media afflicted world that some people feel the need for a scapegoat, and that’s often an unjust a toxic mentality to hold, but sometimes it is warranted and clear as day.

Jones, for instance, has been subjected to this, but i personally see nothing wrong with him, he fits our team he’s just inexperienced. The same cannot be said currently of Jota. When he takes to the field he doesn’t look like he fits in at all, at least in my estimations, which is my opinion alone and i speak for nobody else. I’m not saying we need to sell him immediately or anything, but if he doesn’t start improving soon then it is a cause for concern. There can be accountability and criticism without it turning into unfair abuse.


16.) 11 May 2022 15:22:23
ArAy196 speaks way too much sense on this topic.


17.) 11 May 2022 17:16:03
Its a bit like saying Firmino doesn't score enough goals as a forward. Easy enough to point out a players weakness.
What I would point out tho. There is a reason why goal scorers sell for big money. Hardest thing to do in my opinion, putting the ball in the net.


18.) 11 May 2022 18:14:13
You're right Irish Rover. Aside from Ed0666 (who's got a bee in his bonnet over Jota 😂) almost all of us are inclined to actually keep both Jota and Firmino, I would say. Maybe some want to sell Jota, but I certainly have not said it. Both have strengths, and it makes Klopp's life easier in dealing with different kinds of defenses. The key to your post (and it's a subtle one) is that you said goal scorers get the high value and the big bucks. You didn't say center forwards. ManCity has played without a dedicated center forward this year and yet have scored as many goals as us now. And we all know our Firmino is no classic goal scoring center forward either. So as long as the goals are coming in, what's everybody's problem? 😂

Thanks Olired.


 

 

 

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11 Mar 2022 10:21:08
It's an interesting take on Gomez. On one hand, the view is that he's not good enough for Liverpool any longer, but on the other hand there's an expectation that another club would pay £25m for him and that if he gets regular football he'll be pushing for an England place. Now, I know that van Dijk is the world's best, and Matip and Konate are also very good, but we only have to look at last season to know that you need at least four centre-halves who are capable of playing in the first team, so I wouldn't think we'd be rushing a £25m potential England centre half out of the door just to raise funds.

Of course, if Gomez wants to leave or if Klopp has lost confidence that Gomez can get back to the player that he appeared to be a couple of years ago, then that's different.

With Phillips gone and Williams not having shown anything to give any great reason to believe he'll make it at this level, selling Gomez would mean we'd need to buy another centre back of first team quality, or take the chance on van den Berg being our fourth choice, which would be high-risk.

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06 Jan 2022 14:29:14
Regarding Ox, I think we have to look at his time with us and say it's been a disappointment, certainly considering the money we paid. When we signed him, I think he was in our top three or four most expensive signings ever. Even now, he must still be top ten or close. It was a big signing. Of course, it's clear he has been unlucky with injuries which have impacted him during his time with us but, whilst he showed a few glimpses prior to his serious knee injury and has that very useful attribute of being able to score goals from midfield, I would disagree that prior to that injury he was looking like a player you would expect for your third highest transfer fee of all time.

Nothing personal, seems like a great bloke and a good man to have around the club but he's not really delivered and, at this stage, I don't expect that he is going to, even if he stays fit and has a good run in the team.

But of course, not all of your big transfers work out well. Fortunately most of ours have in the last few years and, importantly, one or two of our less expensive/ lower profile transfers have also worked out very well.

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25 Mar 2021 15:38:51
And despite all of that, 6Times, he still has 19 goals so far this season, will probably finish with mid 20s goals and is on track to win the La Liga title with Atletico Madrid this season.

You are using the example or benchmark of scoring 20 goals a season to lead to your conclusion that he is only fit for the knackers yard, when he needs one more goal this season to literally be a 20 goals a season striker this season (having also done the same in eight of the previous nine seasons) . Clearly, at this stage of his career, he's not one for the future but it's ridiculous to say a player with his current and recent record this season is washed up and only fit for the knackers yard.

But, just to say it again, I personally wouldn't want him back at Liverpool, we took some reputational and credibility damage last time he was here, and I expect that there is no substance to this rumour anyway, but I don't see how he can be described as past it, over the hill, washed up or similar when he's already scored 19 league goals this season, is second top scorer in La Liga and top scorer for the team who are top of the league.

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25 Mar 2021 13:31:08
Completely get why people wouldn’t want Suarez back at the club. Plenty of reasons; take your pick.

But don’t confuse that with the quality of the footballer. Anybody describing him as washed up and past it probably needs to take a closer look at La Liga. Suarez, despite being 34, despite having had some injury problems, despite being slower than he was, has 19 league goals this season with ten matches still to play. He is second only behind Messi this season, and has spearheaded Atletico Madrid to the top of the table. I read an article about him which, whilst acknowledging that he didn’t have the pace or mobility of a few years ago, talked about how he still dictates matches, still puts the fear of god into opponents and, most tangibly, still scores goals. It described one particular goal where, because there was no crowd noise, Suarez could be heard almost verbally commanding and orchestrating a goal through each phase of the move.

The fact that he is still doing all that despite his age and despite some injury problems tells you exactly how good a player we’re talking about. I can’t recall seeing many other players like him. He was a force of nature for us. Very talented yes, right up there, but it was the combination of that ability with his ferocious desire, effort, commitment and work rate that made him what he was. Check out a YouTube highlights package from when we beat Tottenham 5-0 in December 2013. Suarez was sensational but what I always remember was how he celebrated when Jon Flanagan scored that belter. Suarez rolled around on the floor celebrating with Flanagan, face beaming in ecstasy. No ego, no wanting to score all the goals himself, just desperate to play and win. An absolutely brilliant player at his peak. One of the very best we’ve ever had. And now, even at 34 and some way off his peak, still better than most.

A player of that profile could be a decent option. I don’t think there is any suggestion that it would be as a replacement for Salah, Mane or anybody else, but as a back up option who could regularly come off the bench or step in to play when other strikers were injured, it would be a great option for a year or two. Look at what Ibrahimovich did at Utd at a similar stage of his career. Downside would be potentially getting in the way of someone like Elliott coming through.

Anyway, I personally wouldn’t want to see Suarez back at Liverpool. Despite all the great things he did on the pitch, he let us down too badly and I don’t want anybody anywhere near our club who uses any form of racist language. But I do think it’s strange to call him washed up, past it or similar given what he’s been doing this season.

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19 Mar 2021 09:07:38
Genuine question: what club in their right mind is going to pay a transfer fee, or any significant level of salary, for Matip right now? We would be looking for someone willing to buy him before he's played a match in his return after his latest long-term injury, and willing to ignore that he has barely been able to put two consecutive matches together for the last two years, and has had multiple long term injuries and shorter term niggles.

Nothing against Matip, I really like him as a player and think he's a very good centre-half when he's free of injury but I don't understand why anybody would factor him into the consideration when talking about player sales and raising funds for new signings. Sadly I think it's one of those cases where he stays with us for the remainder of his contract and we take the view that if we ever get a long period where he's free of injuries, it's a bonus. And if he does ever get over the injury problems, we probably wouldn't want to sell him anyway because he'd be one of our best defenders.

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26 May 2022 15:12:04
Completely agree re. Origi. When he scored those goals in the semi final against Barcelona and then the final against Tottenham I really thought we'd sell him that summer, as he was never going to be higher in value than he was then, and he also wasn't likely to get much of a look in when the main three strikers were fit. On the back of those very high profile performances and with the market as it was then, I reckon we could have got £25m+.

Don't see it comparable at all with Jota's situation though. Sure, maybe his value is at it's peak - who knows, but in Origi you're talking about a player who never played regularly and hardly ever started, unless we had injuries. So taking the opportunity to sell a player like that whose value had peaked because of a few high profile recent performances would have been quite smart. Jota on the other hand is clearly a key part of our squad and very much in Klopp's plans. He starts regularly and scores a lot of goals. Completely different to the situation with Origi back then.

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26 May 2022 10:29:13
I agree Pompey and if you take away all context, then winning both domestic cups in the same season is a great achievement and represents success for sure.

However, in the context of having what most of us consider to be one of the best teams/ squads/ managers we've ever had, having gone to the final day of the league season still in the hunt and having made the European Cup final, I'll be honest and say that I think I will feel quite a strong sense of disappointment if, having missed the league, we also lose the final on Saturday. I want one of the big two trophies this year.

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25 May 2022 13:41:11
I think he's good enough to be part of our squad and, as we've seen this season and particularly during the run-in, he can make a contribution in a team that wins matches, wins cups, makes finals and almost wins the league.

However, I don't think he's ever delivered what we'd expect from a £50m+ signing and, if there is one position in the team that I think we can clearly improve, it's the third/ most advanced midfield role alongside two of Fabinho/ Henderson/ Thiago. I hope Elliott comes back strongly and makes that position his own next season.

So I guess I'm a bit indifferent. I'd be quite happy for him to stay, but I don't think he's done enough to warrant a big new contract on vastly improved terms. And I also wouldn't have any problem if we got a half-decent offer for him and sold him.

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23 May 2022 14:26:00
Agree that ideally you put yourselves in a position whereby it doesn't matter what others do and that, more often than not, the final table doesn't lie.

However, I think the point was (and it's exactly how I feel too) that regardless of what had happened in the previous 37 matches, we found ourselves in a position in the final match that I don't think many of us expected - City losing 2-0 at home with less than 20 minutes remaining in a match they had to win. Admittedly there wasn't actually a time in the match when City were dropping points whilst we were taking maximum points but with City trailing and us needing just to find a winning goal, I really thought we were going to do it. For City to come back in the way they did, three goals in six minutes, felt like a massive body blow.

It would have felt less disappointing if City had wrapped it up by half-time. I went into yesterday with very little expectation and not expecting to feel any great disappointment if it didn't go our way. But given the way the City match unfolded, I felt gutted by the end.

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18 May 2022 15:01:09
Too many low percentage shots looking for a wonder goal. When one goes in its glorious but more often than not it gives away possession and wastes a good attacking position.

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