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14 Mar 2018 09:30:54
In fairness Ed0333, I don't think it's hubaris - we've proven that we are capable of beating anyone, despite having also proven that we are there for a thumping if we get it wrong against you. But everyone recognises that no match is going to be easy at this point and no matter what, we will have our work cut out for us if we want to progress. That being said, some teams left are the ruling super-powers of Europe and some teams left are very good, well organised squads. Despite both groups being hard games, they are not equal to each other. One thing we need to get out the mindset of though is hoping that we will have the element of surprise. We won our group scoring a record number of goals, and are now in the quarter finals. No-one will be taken by surprise anymore.


{Ed0333's Note - I hear what your saying fella but I’m a naturally cautious guy and have low excepectations and anything else is a pleasant surprise. You make really good points though mate. Let’s hope the fairytale lasts a little bit longer. I would love Klopps first European title to be with us. As I said too Ed’s 001 earlier the ‘doubters to believers’ quote will go down in Anfield folklore if he does.

1.) 15 Mar 2018 04:18:49
I think you’re right to be pragmatic ed - this is the most exciting I’ve seen us play for many years barring 13/ 14 perhaps but we shouldn’t get carried away though as were only 75% through the rebuild as I see it.

That last element of unpredictable results against the top sides is in large part down to midfield for me. I can see why it’s happened this way, but our best midfield for a balance of defence/ control/ pressing and goal threat is for me still Hendo, Gini and Lallana, yet against Man Utd we had Can, Milner and Ox.

Starting from front to back and analyzing the work still to be done

- we have one of the most exciting front threes in a long time but still no impact player off the bench. Can Ings be that player? Jury still out for me.
- our Midfield is OK but for all his recent decent performances Ox is hardly the finished article, I don’t see Milner competing with the best midfielders in Europe (he’s brilliant in some games but can go walkabout and scores very rarely) . Hendo is fantastic but unfortunately injury prone. Gini is still for me the one we should be playing in the big games but hasn’t exactly been blowing the doors off either and Lallana has lost form while Can is still young and inconsistent. We are perhaps in the top 10-15 in terms of midfield but not in the top 5
- Likewise at the back, I think VVD was massive for us and Karius and Lovren looking immeasurably better for him coming in, but we aren’t water tight just yet. We also have a solid LB that’s still adapting, and a very young (even if very talented) RB

Overall in terms of changes next season I think Keita could be revolutionary for us, adding drive, bite and goals from midfield which we sorely lack. I hope we see Robbo, Karius, Lovren, TAA continue their rapid improvement in form and maturity, and hopefully Hendo can stay fit. If we can add an impact player off the bench as well, with goals from midfield or out wide (Lemar? ) then we’ll be 90% of the way there.

{Ed0333's Note - I agree about the sexiness of our play and carving out chances for fun. We were incredibly hard to beat under Rafa, he was my hero but it was turgid football for the most part. Klopps way is so easy on the eye and I totally agree that an upgraded midfield will yield even more success and hopefully the elusive Premiership. The midfield is mediocre at best and Keita will drastically improve it and change the dynamic but to be fair long John silver would improve the dynamic. The attack is exemplarary and the defense can hold its own if they play their best but the midfield lets us down. Like yourself I see the potential in this team.

2.) 15 Mar 2018 07:33:36
I am like u ed think the worst an anything else a bonus sad but necessary after years of let downs an pain, it's obvious this year we seem better against the smaller teams an not as well against top 6, hope this doesn't effect us.

{Ed0333's Note - hopefully next season we’ll get it right. We’ll beat the good teams and the crappy ones.



11 Feb 2015 15:09:08
Any news of Flanagan getting a new contract? Is it even being discussed?


1.) 11 Feb 2015 22:31:14
Hope he gets one, he worked hard last year and showed he had the quality to be in the first team. That goal against Spurs is still a highlight from last season for me.

2.) 12 Feb 2015 10:25:51
One wonder goal and he get's a new contract ? Rather cash in on him and bring another youngster through.

3.) 12 Feb 2015 10:32:07
I think it would be wise to see how he does when he returns from injury.

A full season out is a long time especially at his age.

4.) 12 Feb 2015 13:34:34
Actually It wasn't simply one wonder goal, he played brilliantly when he came in, made Johnson look more of a mug than he actually is, showed that he has what it takes at the top level as he was consistant, solid and worked hard, the goal against spurs was the icing on the cake, as was his reaction.

5.) 12 Feb 2015 17:29:04
Agree Mr D

6.) 13 Feb 2015 07:45:01
He was our only defender last year that actually looked like he had any intention of defending and made opposition players think twice about running at him. He was the best positioned, most disciplined, most energetic and most effective defensive player we had last year. And that was playing on the wrong side.

7.) 13 Feb 2015 20:29:52
If carra was still about he would have learned so much. I remember one of his first games seeing carra talking him through the game, where to be and where to keep the attackers. Shame.

8.) 13 Feb 2015 22:20:00
He played brilliantly last season, but still think it would be wise to see how he recovers after being out for a season.

9.) 14 Feb 2015 12:48:58
I have mentioned this in the past, no the likelyhood is he won't be offered a new contract, he will be given a chance to prove himself in the next couple of months before the decision is made, read my last comment to find out why. Also BR thinks wisdom is a better option as he can fit into the three at the back aswel as a full back

10.) 14 Feb 2015 22:58:50
I think his time is up. Another Martin Kelly Saga.




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31 Aug 2021 21:06:47
Salah, jota, mane, salah, ox
Lukaku, pulisic, havertz, werner, ziyech
Jesus, sterling, mahrez, torres, grealish
Ronaldo, greenwood, rashford, martial, cavani, sancho
Kane, son, random waifs and strays found at a car boot sale in North London
(Arsenal chose not to submit names to this list)

Even giving united an extra name, I'd rather our strike force to anyone else in the league and, psg aside, the world. I know everyone wanted an extra forward, who wouldn't they are the most exciting position on the field. But no one has better than us and its time to start remembering that cause those players that have bought us so much joy over the past 4 years have earned that respect.


{Ed025's Note - i know hes good hjikle, but you cant have 2 salah,s mate.. :)

1.) 31 Aug 2021 21:12:58
Ox? Don’t make laugh!

2.) 31 Aug 2021 21:16:48
😂 Even if we did sign another Salah some on here still wouldn’t be happy, the rest of the league would be bricking it though!

3.) 31 Aug 2021 21:16:55
Lol ED025 Just couldn't let this go :D.

4.) 31 Aug 2021 21:24:43
Hjikle, so your saying that Ox, Origi and Minamino is a better front three than Werner, Hudson-Odoi and Ziyech or Cavani, Greenwood and Martial? (Considering those are technically the reserves)

Cool story bro.

Faith and support is one thing, but blind faith and delusion is another.

We’re just going to watch the season play out and hope that we’re not impacted by international football, C.V. and injury as we’re reliant as hell on Salah and Mane.

5.) 31 Aug 2021 22:02:56
VVVV, please read the post again cos the OP didn’t even mention Mino nor Origi.

6.) 01 Sep 2021 01:57:45
Hjikle didn’t even mention Minamino or Origi, talk about delusional. Oh the irony.

7.) 01 Sep 2021 00:48:11
Thanks Oli.

Ed025 - one was meant to be firmino but was in a rush!

{Ed025's Note - its all good hijkle we all make mistakes mate...well when i say all im not including myself of course.. :)



26 May 2021 22:26:32
We talk a lot about 'we have x, we don't need y' players here, and how people won't play much because someone else is in their position, so I did a little math. *

The average 'first team' footballer in the Premier League (over 19 starts) plays just under 3000 minutes of football per season. This works out at roughly 32/ 33 games a year in leagues and cups.

Over the past 4 seasons, liverpool have averaged a season length of roughly 5000 minutes, which is somewhere in the region of 55 games. A difference of around 20 games, 2000 minutes. That is almost another half a Premier League season again of minutes.

Of course there are some mitigating factors - we are a much richer club than most and that buys certain tools and toys that other clubs might not have. But the fact remains that we could absolutely satisfy the playing time demands of more than XI players who expect to be first choice, and no player in our squad can reasonably expect (for their own health if nothing else) to be playing all games - playing 2/ 3rds of games gives them more minutes on the pitch than most other players you'd consider first choice for their team.

Just some food for though - no comment on whether we should be having a much deeper squad, no demands for it etc. But the idea that we can't keep a player happy with minutes because we have one other player like them just doesn't pan out at all to me

* no calculations include internationals because I couldn't get spreadsheets to talk to each other and I didn't want to spend all evening trying to. Also goalkeepers because it felt fairer and I'm not giving evidence to the ECC here.


1.) 26 May 2021 23:13:01
Hjikle, the thing is though would klopp actually play the extra players? Playing devil's advocate here a little. But look at how tired Robertson was through part of this season, was lie klopp forgot we had signed Tsimikas completely.

2.) 27 May 2021 00:44:48
Like I said, I'm not advocating on whether we should have them, whether klopp wants them or likes running his squad like that etc. Just the very basic idea that we can't keep x player happy because we have y - unless they are increadibly demanding and increadibly specialist, we almost certainly play enough games that we can.

3.) 27 May 2021 08:53:16
Tsimikas was not fit enough all season to play so I would not say Klopp abandoned him. Same with Davies. Davies was always injured cos he could not even get thru the training, obviously. Tsimikas was injured twice and just could not get fit enough to play and trust me, Klopp's training methods are grueling, to say the least.



24 Feb 2021 14:15:33
Has anyone been keeping up with any of our loan players this year? I know elliot's stats are very respectable but how have people actually been playing?


{Ed077's Note - Minamino has been scoring for Southampton on a regular basis. No idea about others. Sorry. Maybe some of the posters can help.}

1.) 24 Feb 2021 15:02:38
But Klopp obviously doesn't rate Mini, also why would mini comeback to sit on the bench i wouldn't blame him for wanting to leave.

2.) 24 Feb 2021 15:17:16
Awoniyi was finally getting a run of games in the German league and scoring some useful goals and assists, however he has just had a fairly serious injury that will keep him out.

Ojo and Wilson are doing well at Cardiff however i don't think we will see them in a liverpool shirt again.

Gruijc has been restricted to sub appearances in the Porto team, not working out and feel for him about not letting him leave last season.

Elliott well what can i say everything is going well for him has become a key cog in the blackburn team and his contribution has been vital throughout the season, will of grown up a lot and think this was a very productive spell out on loan, should be looking to integrate into the team next year.

{Ed077's Note - Cheers TSR.👏}

3.) 24 Feb 2021 15:39:02
Elliott has been sublime. If you read some of the things his team mates are saying, they already see him as the go-to man when things aren't going well or they're in search of a moment of magic.

He will be knocking on the first team door in pre-season.

4.) 24 Feb 2021 15:42:56
We need to be careful with Elliot gradually ease him in.

{Ed077's Note - He has time on his side, an lots of it.}

5.) 24 Feb 2021 16:51:19
Three more years before Elliott turns 20. I'd like to see how everyone stays away from expecting the sun, sky, and the moon from him. Will be interesting to watch.

6.) 24 Feb 2021 17:56:42
Ra, I'd be happy with a goal, you can keep the rest of your inter-planetary musings!

7.) 24 Feb 2021 18:45:30
We've had a number of young players who have looked excellent prospects at 18 over the last 10 years. Only really Trent and now Curtis who have become regulars. Fingers crossed Elliot goes in that direction rather than that of Suso, Sinclair, Rossiter, Ibe, Ojo, Wilson, Woodburn etc.

8.) 24 Feb 2021 19:10:32
Don't forget Jay Spearing, Jon Flanagan and, going back a little further, the one I had most hope for to follow in Judas and God's footsteps - Neil Mellor.

9.) 24 Feb 2021 19:44:48
I wish Suso had gotten a real chance. Very good player and I am happy he made the most of his career at Milan, Genoa and now Seville.

10.) 24 Feb 2021 20:33:00
I absolutely hate it when fans disrespect ex players, especially ex players that have won trophy's for us i. e 2001 FA cup.
I was as disappointed as anyone when Owen moved to Madrid, but I appreciated what he had done for the club, and that he had not run his contract down and gone for free.
He realised that he had made a mistake and asked to come back, but Liverpool would not match RMs valuation but Newcastle did. He had no option, but to move to Newcastle. When his contract ran out he asked to come back to Liverpool, but they did not want to sign him. He had 2 offers Hull City and Manchester United. He still wanted to win a league title so he went to Man Utd and won one.
Liverpool had the opportunity to take him back twice so maybe they are the Judas?

11.) 25 Feb 2021 09:49:58
All good points, Langland. I'm referring to how Owen has behaved since he retired. One day swinging with Man Utd, another with Liverpool.

I'm sorry, but I do not believe his love for either club, he swings the way the wind blows.



04 Feb 2021 09:37:34
We're currently missing the best CB in the world
2 more of the top 10 cbs in the league
The best CDM in the league, maybe the world
One of the best midfielders in the league while he plays CB
One of the best LW in the world
Our only first team attacking option
And last night, the best GK as well, not to mention Keita

The reasons we have so many out are open to interpretations. But anyone who thinks we should be able to compensate for this situation, we should have been prepared or brought more etc isn't living in the real world. With new CBs playing, fabinho hendo mane and jota returning to their normal positions and a bit of luck to not loose anyone else we will finish the season in decent form and be top four. And all things considered, that will have been a decent result this year and have us able to prepare to challenge for the title again next year with a little squad refresh.


1.) 04 Feb 2021 09:55:00
Yes, useful to remind ourselves of that, hjikle. I wonder if the reason we feel frustrated and disappointed at the moment is because, for quite some time, we seemed to take all of the injuries and set backs in our stride and kept winning and stayed top of the table. Maybe this gave us hope and expectation that we could carry on as normal without there being an impact.

At that point when we had van Dijk and Gomez ruled out for the season within a week of each other, and then had injuries to Thiago, Alisson, Trent, Fabinho and others at the same time, and we knew we'd be relying on Phillips, Williams and Kelleher in big matches, would we have taken top four and knock-out stages of the Champions League? Maybe we would.

2.) 04 Feb 2021 09:55:51
Matip one of the top 10 CBs in the league? Really? Without even going into talent, how can someone who has very rarely managed 5 games in a row without getting injured for a month even be in the running for top performer?

AVAILABILITY is The most Important Ability or something.

And Keita hasn't managed to perform or stay fit so he isn't much of a miss. More a transfer gone wrong.

3.) 04 Feb 2021 10:07:34
Hjickle you can’t really argue with any of that mate especially the injuries. We have had a terrible run and just as we seem to turn a corner with injuries we seem to lose more players.
What I would say though is looking at each of our line ups for the games against Wba, Newcastle, Southampton, Burnley and Brighton regardless of who was missing we should have had more than enough to give these teams a game and win. And when I say give them a game I mean actually threaten to score with attempts on goal rather than put in aimless crossers and keep possession. We’re talking about clubs battling relegation (not Saints) not teams challenging at the top.
Injuries have hampered us massively no denying that but the 11-14 players that still tune out for the club are paid a substantial amount of money to still perform and should be better than the opposition.

I task anyone to look at our line ups and give me the names of the players they would swap from the opposition we played from the ones i named. Apart from Williams for an opposing centre back I doubt we’ll find many more.

{Ed001's Note - or an actual centre-back so we could play Fabinho or Henderson in midfield? Football doesn't work like the way you are making out it does. If it did there would be no point in having a league in the first place, because we could just compare the teams on paper and decide who wins.}

4.) 04 Feb 2021 10:27:21
Ed001 I appreciate that mate. What I meant was even though we’ve lost some massive players the players that have played should still be good enough to beat or score past the bottom 6. After all they have been good enough to beat Spurs and West Ham.

{Ed001's Note - that means nothing. Again you are just saying the same thing with different words. That is not how it works.}

5.) 04 Feb 2021 11:05:45
So how does it work ED. I would have thought that a team with better players, and a better manager, should beat a team with lesser players and manager. Unless the tactics and selection are wrong.

{Ed001's Note - or one side has players that have been run into the ground due to injuries and illness ruling out rotation options, while the other has been able to rotate in fresh legs. It is not always about right or wrong. Why is no one actually looking at the whole picture instead of a tiny piece so they can whine?}

6.) 04 Feb 2021 13:24:49
I am not whining, just making an observation. Tou talk about a team that hasn't had the opportunity to rotate. Klopp plays the same 11 for most games, and when the opportunity arises to make substitutions, to give players a breather, he waits until the last 10 minutes.

{Ed001's Note - you are whining, you are not attempting to look at the whole picture because then you would understand. He played the same 11 when he could, yes. The subs thing has been dealt with, numerous times. Klopp is holding off on subs because of the amount of injuries we have had and he wants to make sure that he doesn't get caught out. You are not making any constructive criticism, so what do you think you are doing if it is not whining? I suppose it is better than making sly digs at the dead in an RIP thread to them at least.}

7.) 04 Feb 2021 14:38:09
Haven’t we lost and drawn games with hendo and Fabinho in midfield also? It seems to be to the same type of opposition that we drop points to regardless of hendo and fab playing in midfield. I can’t wait till one if not both gets a regular run in midfield for 5-6 games and we show just as inconsistent results and performances than we have done at the moment. I wonder what people will say then. City also have had key players out btw but have adapted and been the best of a bad bunch since they started the season poorly, but we go on massive runs of bad results and performances. I think the glass half full will say injuries are what’s costing us and not think there’s any other underlying problems and I think the glass half empty will think this is deeper than injuries seeing as we showed similar form end of last season right before C.V. and just after, with no notable injuries. Call it whining all you want, it doesn’t make your opinion more relevant and ours less relevant just because we don’t agree with you.



02 Feb 2021 13:13:04
The signing of Kabak is a slap in the face to the hundreds of thousands of people who spent the last year burning their life to fight C.V. and support us. Rewarding him when he still hasn't taken responsibility and properly apogised for what he did (he's still claiming despite multiple angles and close ups showing him looking at the guy before doing it that it was all false perspective and be didn't even really do anything) with a chance to play for one of the greatest teams on the planet is disgraceful no matter what our on field needs are in and if it was united or Chelsea signing him, you all know that not one of you would be talking about how he 'deserves a chance' or should have 'the benefit the doubt'. And if I hear one more 'he's a young man' comment I'm going to scream - there are nurses a year younger than him who were working 60 hour weeks in icu wards while he was spitting on someone on international TV.

Whatever success we can dig out of this season, if any, will mean a little bit less with his name in the programme.


{Ed025's Note - you make some very fine points hjikle mate..

1.) 02 Feb 2021 14:04:49
Think you're overreacting a tad here. Listen no one condones what he did, it's despicable and disgusting but he made a mistake and I'm sure he just wants to move on from it, this could be helped if he outright apologized however.

As far as I'm concerned what he did was at another club, once he's put on that red shirt it's a clean slate for me and he will get my support. If he gives his all and remains professional then that's all we can ask for. So I feel dwelling on something in the past, whilst it is worrying, shouldn't influence his time at the club as long as he doesn't do anything remotely similar whilst at Liverpool.

People can change for the better.

2.) 02 Feb 2021 14:14:16
Great post hjikle.

Post of the year (so far) 👏.

3.) 02 Feb 2021 14:14:52
Personally, i believe everyone deserves a second chance and the opportunity to make amends. Is he a serial offender like Suarez or is he a kid who did something dumb? We will no doubt find out but the point about him being young is valid. I did a lot of dumb stuff when i was a kid, as did most people. We grow up, learn from our mistakes and hopefully become better people. It was a foul act but give him the benefit of the doubt that it was an immature reaction rather than an inherent character flaw.

4.) 02 Feb 2021 14:18:55
Unless its carragher though?! I think its disgusting personally but I'll be giving him a chance.

5.) 02 Feb 2021 14:29:22
From another perspective, could he not be charged with a criminal offence? I saw a teenager was charged with assault for spitting at a police officer in the UK. Personally, I think it is disgusting, even before C.V.. Would I be sacked for spitting at someone in my place of work, most likely. Is football on a completely different planet when it comes to these matters? Absolutely. I have never and will never meet the man most likely, so I will still support him when he is on the field as a player, beyond that, I don't think he will effect my life in any way so won't worry too much about him.

6.) 02 Feb 2021 14:45:09
I agree that what he did is disgusting but we ALL make mistakes so I say give him another chance. If he doesn't learn what he did was wrong and does it again then cancel his contract and get him out of the club.

{Ed025's Note - i think it shows a flaw in the guys make up dan, disgusting thing to do to anyone and the reason carragher went from hero to zero for me mate..

7.) 02 Feb 2021 14:49:25
What he did was disgusting and despicable but to say his age shouldn’t be taken into consideration is ignorant.

I am not in the least condoning what he did but I’m sure most people on this site have done something in their lives they shouldn’t have, we just have the luxury of the fact it wasn’t on national tv.

Agreed it’s concerning that he hasn’t shown public remorse but like other have said, people deserve a chance to reform.

{Ed025's Note - do they shaq?...really?, how many people are back in in prison for re-offending?, leopards and spots and all that..

8.) 02 Feb 2021 14:50:15
Hjikle, I take it you feel the same way about firmino who got done for drink driving? I know which ones worse but people are quick to forget when they choose too. Stop being a drama queen. I’m not saying C.V. isn’t dangerous but up until January 388 people under the age of 60 had died of it.

{Ed025's Note - two wrongs have never made a right pegleg, i would sooner you be honest and say you dont care what a player does as long as he plays for liverpool, i would respect your honesty at least mate..

9.) 02 Feb 2021 15:19:55
He deserves to be hung, drawn and quartered before he even puts his boots on for us!

Come on lads 🤦‍♂️.

What he did was wrong.

But his age is most definitely relevant. The lad is only just on the cusp of becoming a man right now.

We have a good group of lads and I'm hopeful they will show him the way.

10.) 02 Feb 2021 15:27:05
Two wrongs don't make a right ed25, correct. May I add that no 2 people are the same either.
I personally known people who have done the worst crimes you could think of in NI, yet today some of them do more good deeds than you and I will ever do in a lifetime.
It says as much about people who are more than willing to write you off without giving you the chance to alter your course.

{Ed025's Note - i get that IR but unfortunately for me high profile sports stars are role models mate, atonement doesn,t really do it for me im afraid as im not really a second chance kinda guy...not that he has ever apologised for the incident, just my opinion of course..

11.) 02 Feb 2021 15:39:32
We all make mistakes I am sure joe Anderson the mayor of liverpool didn't mean to threaten or intimidate those poor people and abuse his power of position, he would say in private " I am sorry I didn't mean it "

{Ed025's Note - i dont give a toss about joe anderson hailstones...if he gets found guilty of anything he will get his just desserts, but lets not deflect things mate if you feel its ok to spit at someone then just be honest and say that!, maybe you should start a peteition to have a statue to luiz suares errected outside anfield while your at it..

12.) 02 Feb 2021 16:17:57
If the Suarez incident taught me anything its we can all be guilty of club tribalism and rush to defend our players before considering their actions. Ashamed to say I was guilty when Suarez did what he did. It was only after the incident when I saw dragging our club and a legend through the mud i came to my senses.

No Kabak hasn't dragged us through the mud. Yet. But he has done it for Schalke and for me he's going to need to work hard to convince I want him at the club. I never ever want another character like Suarez representing us regardless of talent.

{Ed025's Note - i think thats fair bledd and im sure your not the only one mate..

13.) 02 Feb 2021 16:37:52
I think people want the ones like me and you and hjikle and others to forgive him but they are missing a key point in the OP; he hasn't still taken responsibility or oened up to have done it or shown any remorse, let alone apologise.

How can you forgive and forget when he isn't sorry? As mentioned in the OP, he is still trying to deny any wrongdoing.

14.) 02 Feb 2021 16:46:06
What is this obsession with cancelling people out of existence due to a mistake they have done? In this case this is a genuinely disgusting mistake, but when did we decide that the way to deal with 20 year olds who snap when angry is to make them outcast for the rest of their lives?

Most 19-20 year olds in this country plan in cold blood to get absolutely trashed every weekend, knowing full well that a number of them will get sick in the streets, urinate, cause injury and damage and a headache for NHS A&E staff. Do these "disgusting" youth deserve to get degrees and jobs?

Surely the sensible thing is to bring the unruly youth to spend time with inspirational people and let them reform after their mistakes. There is nothing better for Ozan than to spend time with VVD, Hendo and Klopp and put his mistake behind him.

There is a growing culture in the liberal west which is obsessed with finding flaws in people, magnifying them, and absolutely obliterating their character. People now care more about guarding their image than they do about having a good character. If this trend continues, the most respected people in the society will be those with the worst morals and the best PR advisors (only need to look at Hollywood and Westminster to see this is already the case! ) It's far better to build a society where it's easy to recover from mistakes and make a positive contribution.

15.) 02 Feb 2021 16:55:45
Duncan Ferguson got jailed for assault but in evertonions eyes he’s a club legend. I’d rather be spat at that head butted . And no I’m not saying what he done is acceptable but different fans from different clubs will have their own say. Man Utd fans with cantona attacking a fan or Greenwood meeting brasses. each club has a player that’s done something out of order so do we reject him or support him.

{Ed025's Note - ferguson is not a legend in my eyes ted but i have to say give me the head butt all the time mate, now im not saying dont sign the guy, but lets not just ignore what he done and the fact that he has shown no contrition alarms me, all im saying is lets not think its ok and make excuses for him..

16.) 02 Feb 2021 16:49:18
Ed25 your assistant manager got a second chance or have you forgotten?

{Ed025's Note - i have not forgotten rudder and dont condone his ations either, please dont ask me to compromise my integrity mate..

17.) 02 Feb 2021 17:20:04
Sorry ed25 but that’s far too generalist a view. I’m not going to go into the nuances of why people re-offend.

But are you saying that most people don’t change, therefore nobody deserves the chance to?

{Ed025's Note - im not saying it doesn,t happen shaq, but sweeping it under the carpet and saying ahh diddums is not the answer either, there are enough do gooders like lord longford about to last a lifetime mate..

18.) 02 Feb 2021 17:27:33
I’m not trying to make a excuse for him it’s vile what he done but fans react to their player doing things differently. My point was the likes of Everton, man utd and Chelsea fans etc accept their players so although what he done was wrong I think we should be given the chance to not make it right but prove to everyone that it was a mistake and he has learned his lesson.

{Ed025's Note - if he shown a bit of contrition it would help ted..

19.) 02 Feb 2021 17:52:08
Ed25, I’m not saying for one second that two wrongs make a right. I’m pointing out some people are quick to forget when it suits them. As for being spat on, we’ll that’s just low and disgusting but i it’s nowhere near as bad as drink driving and to say you’d rather be head butted is just silly as done right you’d have a broken nose and wake up with a headache. Choosing between the two I’d much rather wipe some spit off my face and nut the culprit but we’re all different I guess.

{Ed025's Note - in this climate peg leg being spat on could be a death sentence mate, i will take the broken nose and headache if its all the same to you..

20.) 02 Feb 2021 18:03:28
Hhan your response is the best. You nailed it. There are certain crimes I don’t believe you get second chances for but spitting once at someone is not one of them though he will have to work damn hard to earn the trust back.

21.) 02 Feb 2021 18:14:13
Ok first of all have you seen the incident? Its not even conclusive. If intentional very wrong but for me didn't seem intentional.
Also club won't sign him if his review was negative. I don't think klopp would give a green light to a signing he wasnt confident about as a person. He has heard good things from people he trusts and the club decided to go ahead.
Dont berate people and pass judgment on character. What if he didn't mean it and has to live with it?
Anyways he was banned and served his punishment so everyone moves on. The german FA did i guess we should too and judge him on what he brings here.
If he is as vile as OP says don't celebrate but judge him for what he does here not what he has done and been punished for.

22.) 02 Feb 2021 18:31:23
Soz ed mate I wasnt trying too encourage any offensive actions from any players wat he did was disgusting but he is only 20 and also he only human we make mistakes if we don't learn from them then obviously not worth a carrot .
Frank rijkaard spat at rudi voller in italia 90 but his career weren't ruined cos of it or defined by it .

{Ed025's Note - not a problem mate, that rijkaard incident still haunts me, i suppose i just hate players who think they can do what they want because they are celebrities and earn millions of pounds...they crack me up..

23.) 02 Feb 2021 19:08:12
He said it wasn’t intentional guilty until proven innocent.

{Ed025's Note - and sweeny todd,s hand just slipped when he was giving shaves..

24.) 02 Feb 2021 19:32:27
Ed25, so who’s worse in your opinion. A lad who’s spat at someone amid a C.V. C.V. (even if the numbers are manufactured) or someone who knowingly got into a car intoxicated and got done for drink driving?

{Ed025's Note - as i say pegleg 2 wrongs dont make a right, they are both severely wrong imo mate..

25.) 02 Feb 2021 19:55:06
I don’t care if your 19 or 91 you don’t spit at anyone. It’s disgusting. **** behaviour.

It’s also a pointless exercise comparing that incident to what others have done wrong. Take Bobby for example. Is his incident more okay cos he didn’t crash and kill somebody? He was willing to risk it so does it matter?

Naby only got involved in a little light fraud. Is that okay?

My point here is that people will make mistakes. Even ones you find fairly reprehensible. You have to accept that or ban them. And I don’t believe if you make a single mistake you should be thrown to the Wolves.

That being said you shouldn’t just brush things under the carpet with rose tinted glasses on. It’s upto him now to prove what he did was a one off and that he is a decent person.

Until then, I’ll give him a chance as a centre back but my opinion of him as a bloke is through the floor.

{Ed025's Note - good and fair post that wassa, and a fitting way to end this debate mate..cheers..

26.) 02 Feb 2021 21:52:28
People who say give me a headbut instead of spitting in my face have never been headbutted properly.
If the guy has Klopps support then he also has mine.
He is no Joey Barton lads.

27.) 03 Feb 2021 08:13:45
Ed025 I think that's a very simplistic way to view the criminal system.

Repeat offending has many contributing factors but one of the major ones is a lack of opportunity upon release. Nobody will hire a criminal (even a genuinely reformed one) and every criminal has to disclose that they were one. Everyone has the same attitude of leopords and spots so of course when it comes down to getting through life they have virtually zero options and return to crime.

A comparison of recividism and correctional practices in this country and ones with more of a focus on rehabilitation as opposed to punishment only highlights this point further.

Aside from that I agree on kabak. I didn't want us to sign him really since we have a poor history of handling players with attitude problems and I just think we are better off avoiding the issue entirely. But he's signed and I think it should be treated as a new start, you can't have a new start if you're going to bring the baggage with you.

I'd also argue that apologies in the public eye are utterly worthless and simply appeasement since it's rare they actually even think they did something wrong, never mind genuinely apologise for it. So unless you are appeased by empty words, why bother demanding an apology if it wasnt forthcoming in the first place?

{Ed025's Note - hi nevada, you make some very valid points there and express them very well mate, the problem i have is that not everything is black or white and have a problem where i think the system is open to abuse, now i know this is nothing to do with kabak and im generalizing, but can i ask you on a personal note how you would feel about giving the likes of myra hindley a second chance?, this is not a trick question im just trying to gauge how forgiving people can be and who or when do people get another shot?..

28.) 03 Feb 2021 09:17:51
Yes, there will be people saying this, that or the other had another team signed such a player BUT in the end, he made a mistake and deserves his chance to redeem himself, kid or grown up. Carra spat in the direction of a teenager and got punished for it. Did he get sacked at Sky? No. I wonder why. Could it be that they thought he deserved another chance even tho, I think as a grown up, he should be held to a higher standard?

Kabak like anyone else, has been given a chance he may or may not deserve, to redeem himself now. Isn't that what we all would want including yourself in the same situation? Take a chill pill, bro and hope the kid gets his act together and stop judging him or others just cos they disagree with you. If not, You are accusing others of the very same thing you are doing.

29.) 03 Feb 2021 15:16:01
Ed, he was 19. I don't know about you but I made so many mistakes at 18-19. Things I would be and am genuinely ashamed of now, the difference being I wasn't on TV with millions of people and those mistakes aren't on the internet forever (thank god Facebook was only just blowing up at the time and Instagram didn't exist! ) .

He made a mistake, it was a really bad one. He apologised, he should have a chance to repair his reputation. Carra is different, he was a fully grown man in his car without the red mist. Hopefully he's learned his lesson.

30.) 03 Feb 2021 15:57:52
Kabak made a despicable mistake and got punished for it. Are we going to keep using that to define him esp. since many in our fan base defended (some still defend or ignore) the dreadful things Suarez did which were actually worse than what Kabak did? He was given chance after chance to redeem himself, all of which he messed up. In Italia 90, Rijkaard spat ON Rudi Voller and got punished for it. They both kissed and made up and Rijkaard went on to be a great player and successful manager. That spitting incident was rarely if ever, used against him and no one even talks about it.

You have to give people a chance to get their acts together and atone for their mistakes. Isn't that what the people judging Kabak already, would want us to do for them in reverse? Give the kid a chance to redeem himself and if he doesn't, he gets what is coming to him. And so what if he did not apologize the way I wanted? He is not accountable to me so why should I care? If he learns from this bad experience then, that is what should important, IMO. Apologies mean nothing w/ o follow-thru.




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24 Jan 2022 13:18:42
Redhead 100 - most people think that a player who wants guarentees of game time isn't backing themselves to play well enough to earn it. The conventional logic is that if you play well enough you keep playing.




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11 Jan 2022 16:08:37
Let's be clear on this - origi is not rubbish. He is nowhere near the calibur of the players that start ahead of him but he's as good as most if not all of the bottom half teams strikers. I cannot think of a sinlge players of his ability that would be happy with the sort of game time he gets and, where he to leave, I hope the club will be thinking very carefully about why they would rather he goes. If the plan is to add a forward to the roster who is closer to top level and can rotate with out fully fit front 4 more then great, love the plan. If it is to replace him with someone else who plays some cup games and late sub appearance, we will almost certainly be downgrading the squad by loosing him.




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23 Sep 2021 12:57:28
Jones is the sort of player that title winning squads need, especially when you have a manager like klopp who likes a smaller squad. He can play in a bunch of positions, he's got a great attitude and has plenty of time and room to keep improving with.




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23 Sep 2021 12:55:38
We will loose players for the AFCON for 3 games at most, who on earth would buy someone to cover three games?




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03 Aug 2021 18:42:03
Oblak is better at stopping the ball going in the net. The slow methodical restarting of attacks and distribution of the ball would drive us nuts.





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30 May 2022 21:08:06
So many people wanted an option that was a focused goalscorer in the squad, someone who didn't get involved in all areas like salah and firmino but hung out in the final third looking for goals. We get one, they consistently hit 15-20 goals a season despite injuries and not quite cementing a starting spot and people moan they don't need enough around the field. Literally can't win unless every player is capable of playing every position and role at any time, it's pathetic.




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22 Feb 2022 21:52:55
It's going to be super important for fans who get worked up by squad selections to remember - if every game is a must win, we can't play our best xi every game for the rest of the season. We will let people have recovery weeks (like trent this weekend), and they will be made by people who know what position and state the players are in far better than any of us. If klopp chooses our absolute best xi this weekend, or any weekend, then great. If klopp decides that after all those extra minutes the afcon, this is the game salah will have off and minamino will start, or diaz hasn't quite gotten the connection with the other 2 yet so origi starts, then that's fine too - he knows what he is doing!




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03 Jan 2022 09:46:02
No offense mate but money side of your equation isn't even in the right country, never mind ball park. Hope this was a joke.




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14 Sep 2021 13:09:07
So we're just going to ignore the fact that yet again the Fa have changed the law for no other reason than to avoid facing the truth that their refs are incompetent - this time by just rubber stamping any marginal call as one they just say no to?




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13 Sep 2021 17:05:03
The fact that Gary neville seemed surprised that a team with the quality of Liverpool chose to pick a team to play against leeds' weaknesses rather than try and match and outdo them on their strength is all you need to know about neville and his credentials. And those are literally his words BTW, surprised we went with thiago and fabinho and didn't try and match the energy of Leeds with hendo and milner.