Liverpool Banter Archive February 25 2018

25 Feb 2018 19:42:18
Is it just me or were those 3 games today dire? Was really looking forward to seeing 3 great games but was disappointed on all 3 counts! The worst was Man United v Chelsea. I sympathise with MU fans over the state of the football. And what has happened to Arsenal? Man City were ok-ish in the first half and great in the second half but Arsenal were dire! Think Gary Neville was OTT but on the Arsenal page they agree with him. A great Saturday (Liverpool, Scotland, Ireland) but a poor Sunday. As a footie fan I expect better!

25 Feb 2018 23:46:33
Nevill was hard but I don't think it was ott - they're sixth, their players were walking round the pitch ducking out of tackles and couldn't string five passes together. I'd say aubemayan although poor, was the only one running around at least, chasing balls. Wing backs didn't run at their opponents, midfield didn't move and the defence was weak. Ospina looked like he had a mistake in him every time city got close. If I was an arsenal fan I'd be exstatic if anyone could give me a positive from that game. Going to Wembley for a cup final and not being fussed? Maybe he positive is that they should be fit for Thursday after putting absolutely no effort in today, but then again, who would you want starting out of that team?

26 Feb 2018 09:36:23
Well at least having Southampton as a feeder club is sort of working for Liverpool. How is the Everton retirement home doing for all the ex Man Utd has beens over the years? 😉.

26 Feb 2018 17:11:45
not bad if you're a manU fan tho aye!? was expecting that to be a naff game, but it is all business when the top 4 teams are jostling for position.

26 Feb 2018 17:15:23
All awful mate

3 good games I thought we were going to get. Oh well.

25 Feb 2018 18:38:06
question for the eds, with City after winning the League Cup, Jamie Redknapp said that this team as the potential to dominate the league and europe and that other PL teams should be very afraid, so my question is, how far do ye feel Liverpool are away from this City team, it was mentioned on Sly sports that Liverpool could be potential Champions. So goalkeeping issues aside, or assuming we get a top class keeper, how close or far away is this team?
Thanks Eds.

{Ed025's Note - not very far away i would say kev, once naby comes and a top class keeper then i believe liverpool will be serious competition for city, injuries could be a factor of course as i dont think the reds squad has a great deal of depth, but as a team they are not far off mate..

25 Feb 2018 20:29:51
Ed25.I really do admire your assessment of our team, especially as you’re an Everton fan, fair play to you mate.

{Ed025's Note - im a football fan drogie and just say it as i see it mate..

25 Feb 2018 20:33:57
Starting 11 not far at all

Squad miles away.

25 Feb 2018 21:02:52
Thanks for the reply Ed25, I tend to agree with your assessment. I do think Naby will be a massive player for us, hopefully we can get that top class keeper in. I think possibly another CB but I feel VVD will improve every cb we have at the club. Our defence already looks to be improving with every game. But i do agree, our squad depth still needs improving, but as far as recruitment has gone under Klopp, we have drastically improved I feel compared to recent years. Hopefully we continue on that trend.

YNWA.

{Ed025's Note - i think you will kev...and its breaking my heart mate.. :)

25 Feb 2018 21:24:14
We are not far away at all from City, as Ed25 has said. We need to get in more players in the mold of our quality front three in other areas of the pitch to help us get to that next level. Also, consistency needs to be improved and we need to SERIOUSLY cut down on points dropped from winning positions as that is what is killing us (linked with consistency issues) .

As per squad depth, I recently saw Pep making a fool of himself, saying his team lacks depth as he only has 16 players to choose from right after they drew with Burnley. Yeah, go figure. The manager of the richest club, is complaining of lack of depth. As for our depth, we need to upgrade that as well and the GK, we'll have to see what happens cos if Allison is a non starter and Navas (I pray, does not come) then Karius is who Klopp will turn to as he signed him and IMO, STILL wants him to be no. 1 BUT Karius will have to keep getting it done till season's end and he's on pace to achieve that.

25 Feb 2018 22:42:28
Pep is overrated and Arsenal are a shadow of themselves. This is city's year in the premier league but I really don't see them getting to the cl final which with the money on show, should be almost expected. I think as soon as a few teams desperate for points go out and play them towards the end of the season we'll see the cracks showing. I think if we'd played karius sooner the gap would be a lot closer. Ifs and buts I suppose.

25 Feb 2018 23:50:08
I think we would be in for a shout in the next few season, just I fear city are just getting better and better. Jesus, sterling, silva (the other one) sane, stones, ederson, mendy and others, are all young and improving, de bruyne has years left and if he keeps getting better, and the defence are pretty set now for a few years too. They will recruit too and of late it's been excellent.

26 Feb 2018 06:07:46
You have a point Firmane but don't forget a team can only play 11 players at any one time. I think what is also apparent, and also important, is that how the team functions as a collective is the key. i think we are building an excellent, cohesive team that works for one another and functions well as a whole. The sum of cities parts are probably better, I mean they are oozing world class players, but as a team I think we are actually pretty close. Our issues this season, though not as prominent, have been related to consistency and motivation against smaller sides - City have been ruthless in that respect whilst we have much room for improvement. If we can improve on that, add a couple of top quality signings in summer, then anything could happen next season. As it stands Champions League qualification is vital - if we miss out we face the prospect of missing out on top targets, that has to be the focus this season.

26 Feb 2018 17:12:48
it will be really interesting to see whether Pep is the silver bullet that brings consistency to City. They usually go up and down year to year like Chelsea do. It's like their players put all the effort in for a season then get bored of the manager and take a season off! I think he will, but equally interested to see how well Pep can maintain the run with these lads.

25 Feb 2018 17:45:31
Worrying the way salah said "I'm enjoying my moment here" I'm probably reading too much into it but did sound like he is only going to be here for a short while.

25 Feb 2018 18:38:42
haha, ok.

25 Feb 2018 18:55:30
It is the best way to be! enjoy him while he here and hope we win things along the way!

25 Feb 2018 21:25:51
Supersalah, and you are surprised because, exactly?

25 Feb 2018 22:41:16
I know brover but we need to stop selling our best players if we want to win this league.

26 Feb 2018 06:10:46
And we need to start winning trophies and challenging consistently if we want to keep our best players. We have barely been in the Champions League for the better part of a decade, we have had a one-off challenge for the league in 13/ 14 season and, after that, done almost nothing. If we continue our current trajectory for the upcoming seasons we should be making the Champions League, challenging for trophies and, with those factors taken into consideration, attracting a higher calibre of player. When that happens you will see more of our big players staying for the long haul.

26 Feb 2018 08:43:13
You make it sound so easy Seano. you're right of course dude.

26 Feb 2018 17:16:35
Think he just recognises that this is a moment and probably next year will be a lot tougher. Surely he can keep this goal scoring record up. He will be after shearers record before long haha.

25 Feb 2018 13:15:54
Hey ed002,
About this time last year you said that Klopp briefed certain members of the media about transfer targets etc. You said yourself this was a bad move and I agree 100%, but does Klopp see it as a bad move and will he be doing it again this season do you think?
The reason I ask is because Paul Joyce, one of those that was briefed last year, came out with a bit of transfer news last night and mentioned a couple of names even.
Thanks in advance!

{Ed002's Note - It backfired on him and I would think that the club would be livid if he did it again.)

25 Feb 2018 16:41:10
Thanks for the response ed.

25 Feb 2018 16:51:02
its February the summer is way off, the only thing klopp needs to be doing atm is making sure Liverpool finish in the top 4, we need to learn from our past mistakes, not go on repeating them.

25 Feb 2018 17:41:20
Klopp has learnt. He has kept the squad fitness levels much higher that they were last season.

25 Feb 2018 18:52:54
Don't See him going to Blackpool anytime soon!

25 Feb 2018 21:38:27
He'd better not be doing that again.

25 Feb 2018 13:45:25
Hope palace can hold on, and spuds don't get a dubious penalty as alli diving a lot again.

25 Feb 2018 13:54:03
That bloody Harry Kane!

25 Feb 2018 13:54:56
Ah well, hard luck. But we create our won destiny, not rely on others to slip.
Forget what Spurs do. LFC's target should be to win all matches we play.

25 Feb 2018 15:17:01
well said IB win all our remaining matches and a top 4 finish is ours, we are in a very good position let's keep it up.

25 Feb 2018 21:47:11
If we win our games, it won't matter what other teams do just like we did in the back end of last season where we won 5 of or last 7 including our final two games (got 10 out of final 12 points with 0 goals conceded) and t did not matter what Arsenal did. It's all up to us and that is where you always wanna be.

26 Feb 2018 11:21:51
Actually BRover it's even more true this season - last year we still needed others to drop points for us winning to matter, this year it's entirely in our own destiny with matches against United and Chelsea ready to let us catch up/ build distance on them.

25 Feb 2018 13:33:48
maybe I'll get slated but watching the spurs game at the moment there getting nowhere and I'm seeing what I seen in our game and the Rochdale game throwing themselves to the ground looking for penalties tut tut.

25 Feb 2018 13:48:05
Kane in the 89th minutes. Say nothing next time mate :p.

25 Feb 2018 12:03:10
My stream kept dying yesterday that by second half it was unwatchable. Anybody have any reliable streams I can call upon for future matches not on tv and anybody feel like giving a match review while they are at it? Would really appreciate it folks!

25 Feb 2018 12:27:17
totalsportek. com seems to work well for me everytime mate, most other sites I have constant buffering issues.

25 Feb 2018 12:44:07
Premierleague-lives. net worked well for me yesterday. One eye on the rugby and one on the football a perfect day for an Irish Liverpool fan lol.

25 Feb 2018 12:52:27
sportlemon. tv is decent.

25 Feb 2018 13:41:19
Whichever site you’re going to use to stream, make sure you’re using a VPN. makes a huge difference to reliability. and potential detection! 😉.

25 Feb 2018 14:04:45
Streams2watch. eu is always reliable. I never miss a second of any of our games. A gem of a site im sharing with you good people. IF the link to the game is problematic just go to the Television menu and choose the appropriate channel. It Always works.

25 Feb 2018 14:08:11
Much appreciated guys. Would love the club to stream every match. Would gladly pay for a season pass. Someday soon I imagine.

25 Feb 2018 17:10:54
I normally watch streams on ronaldo7 . net There aren't that many games on there but around 30 different links to HD streams for each game.

26 Feb 2018 11:26:09
A twitter account @lfc_Iive posts links to independently hosted (and therefore less likely to be over-used) streams about a minute before every game starts, highly recommended.

{Ed007's Note - Bookmark this page and you'll get any game from any league:

www.hesgoal.com/

25 Feb 2018 10:39:50
I can't even put into words how much i love Firmino, Salah and Mane. They all seem to be playing like they're best mates now, which just makes it that little bit more entertaining!

Mane taking the micky out of Firmino's kung fu celebration was my favourite moment of the season so far because it just shows the togetherness of the squad and it is always brilliant to see Mane smile after he's seemed down for so long. It put a smile on my face!

I just love this team. Klopp might not have won any trophies, but i am well and truly entertained and I've never felt more in love with the club. The trophies will come, I'm sure. How can they not with our front 3?

25 Feb 2018 11:04:24
Salah saying how much he wants to win the league with Liverpool is nice to hear as well.

25 Feb 2018 11:07:53
Completely agree mate!

25 Feb 2018 11:11:17
You know I was thinking about this the other. Remember our team under Hodgson? Can you actually believe we let Hodgson manage our club? Christ we were terrible.

25 Feb 2018 13:49:21
If things continue and we add more quality to the side. Then trophies won’t be far away.

25 Feb 2018 07:58:30
Missed the City and Spurs game due to work commitments, so was glad t be at the match again yesterday.

The reason I mention being at the game was because of one stand out player for me yesterday. Andy Robertson.

He had a brilliant game and when you watch him live, you really do see how much energy and effort he puts in. He also made the Mané goal from start to finish, from the edge of his own 18yrd box.

Not the finished article but for £9m or whatever the fee was, bargain.

Thought the Ox delivered yesterday too.

25 Feb 2018 14:28:46
I'm giving all the credit to karous for mane's goal!

25 Feb 2018 14:44:24
Did that energy and desire can be harnessed effectively, he will be the finished article and he has the best manager to help him get there.

25 Feb 2018 07:46:52
Hate to write this but I’m embarrassed by Liverpool fans yesterday. I was at the game and the booing at Evra was in my opinion on the right side of the line. Hernandez (little pea) came on towards the end and got the same treatment.

But when kop fans started singing Luis Suarez song I was thinking, is that right or is it still on the line.

However when they started singing “your just a lying b******”, they got it so wrong.

It was only the one time each (Luis Suarez song and chant) that I heard from where I was sitting (Kenny Dalglish stand) .

The press have focused on the booing.

25 Feb 2018 08:02:54
I heard it too but Evra lapped it up. At one point he just turned to the crowd and smiled.

Agree with you re the Suarez song though, a bit much really. But that’s football and certain chanting by a minority will always be there.

When it comes to United away in two weeks, the whole stadium will be singing murderers, it’s the same every time I’m afraid.

25 Feb 2018 08:17:25
I didn't hear the chant directed at Evra, but I thought chanting Suarez' name was too much.

Suarez was/ is a wonderful player, but we all know he has/ had a dark side. He was found guilty of the offence with Evra and of course a few others. I think he falls neatly into the flawed genius category.

So, whilst I would like to think that the Evra incident was a heat of the moment thing, it happened, it was completely unacceptable, and we should accept that. Boo Evra all we like for being a Manc, but to celebrate Suarez at the same time is a little tone deaf in the current climate. Also, how do we think young Brewster feels if he hears our fans celebrating Suarez in such a way.

Think Liverpool fans are best in the world, but that was a little tone deaf yesterday. I have no problem continuing to idolise Suarez the player, but please not when Evra is on the park!

YNWA.

25 Feb 2018 08:17:37
Evra's a big boy and should be able to deal with the chants. Sterling and Suarez deal with such fans at every away game.

25 Feb 2018 09:07:24
You're excusing the fans' vile chants by saying Evra should deal with it.
Chanting Suarez's name or calling Evra a lying bastard is tantamount to racism and bigotry.

25 Feb 2018 09:11:54
Unfortunately liverpool fans are no longer the best fans in the world. Maybe 20+ years ago but not now.
Undoubtedly there are some cracking fans even on this site but some of the actions of our fans have made us loose lots of credibility.

25 Feb 2018 09:40:12
Kiddfan, got to agree with you on the Brewster comment, very good point.

Suarez was a great player but what he did was wrong and its embarrassing that certain fans were backing him and targeting Evra when he was the victim. It doesn't matter how good a player is, racisim should never be supported.

{Ed025's Note - i agree george..

25 Feb 2018 10:17:52
Boo Evra because he’s an ex Manc, fine. But giving him abuse because of Suarez stuff is out of order, as Evra was found not to be lying by a fair process that also cleared Firmino.

25 Feb 2018 10:53:51
Are you for real Indian Buzzer?

Suarez racially abused Evra and here is no excusing that. The chants were absolutely disgusting and completely lacked class. If you don’t see that then I’m lost for words and you’re just as bad.

25 Feb 2018 10:59:08
There’s always been bad behaviour by a minority at football matches Walter and that includes at Anfield.
Fortunately it’s still a minority.
Fans really need to move on from the Evra debacle, I’m certain the club don’t want to be reminded of it.
Forget Evra, forget Suarez, cheer the current heroes in red.

Only times I’ve booed at a match were once, a long long time ago, when stewards removed a streaker 😳 and the AC Milan penalties at the Ataturk but I doubt I even had a voice left by that stage.

25 Feb 2018 11:11:35
Really people?
I have been the subject of racial abuse myself since moving Down Under. It's pathetic that people resort to such vileness but there is nothing u can do about it. We need to accept that such people do exist and they are not going anywhere.
So just take it on the chin and move on.
If Evra was taunted with respect to what happened between him and Suarez, he has to deal with it and move on because the fans that get on Evra's back will not cease to exist just because they don't know the social boundaries.

25 Feb 2018 11:18:21
suarez covered himself in glory again yesterday by trying most tricks in his locker to get booked which would see him suspended for barca's next game, an objectively easy game against las palmas rather than risk missing a more important league game. he ultimately failed however.

25 Feb 2018 11:19:31
Sorry IB, I think we can do something about it. Society moves forward and these behaviours gradually get removed from society by education.
These days being labelled a racist is one of the biggest stigmas going and I celebrate that fact.

In the heat of the moment, one on one, there probably is little you can do about it. Yesterday Evra did “deal with it”. Doesn’t make it right and doesn’t mean we shouldn’t all challenge it and make our feelings known widely.

25 Feb 2018 12:33:59
I have watched Liverpool for nigh on 42 years. To say the fans had more class 20 years ago is misdirected. I have stood on the Kop in the early eighties and the munich song was sang by the whole ground.
We will never turn Football fans into a group of wellwishing choirboys. Its a tribal sport and fans try to make a difference either by encouraging their own team or barracking the opposition. Take Raheem for instance, he left the club, was, rightly or wrongly vilified for doing so and everytime he returns to Anfield he gets subjected to constant berating. He struggles to perform and I think that is part due to the heat he gets from the fans. The game is evolving not just on the pitch but off it too. I think we are however a long way away from singing lullabies and shouting endearing compliments to opposing fans and teams.

25 Feb 2018 12:50:42
Nice story Ron lol.

25 Feb 2018 14:29:57
Lets seperate Evra being able to deal with this type of fan banter and Evra having to deal with it at all. Totally agree with the tone deaf comment. definitely think those fans let themselves down. Bigger that, or at least they could have been.

25 Feb 2018 14:45:42
I am not saying it was right to chant but to say it was racist no it was stupid and childish and no need for it.

25 Feb 2018 14:46:13
Evra also deliberately set Suarez up with the fake handshake afterwards. That’s why I would have been booing him.

25 Feb 2018 14:47:15
Calling Evra a 'lying bastard' is not RACIST! It is however not acceptable. We have all seen ourselves lately that is easy to use the racist card. The incident with Suarez was handled very well but I do feel that the victim (who started the incident with a reference to Suarez' origin) got off scot-free as did the player who assaulted Firmino recently. It is ridiculous these days that fans abuse players of other colours as the vast majority of teams have such players themselves.

25 Feb 2018 14:49:11
Did the French fan grin and bare the kicking he got from that lying person Evra just as bad as Suarez bite so stop being saints, he got what he deserved and should of got a lot more . Sorry but I am not one of the PC crew.

25 Feb 2018 19:45:06
The point is the lying bastard chant referred to one incident and one incident only, and that was the Suarez situation. It was disgraceful and in essence backed Suarez, just like the players and Kenny mistakenly did with those t-shirts. The process found Suarez guilty, like it or not. The same process also just cleared Firmino so either you accept these procedures or you don’t but let’s not try and have things all ways. It was embarrassing and disgraceful and no doubt why Klopp sought him out at the end. Hang your head in shame if you joined in with that chant.

{Ed025's Note - 100% agree with all of that mate..

24 Feb 2018 23:07:41
I think we've got so much to be excited about, the way we are playing, not just today but the majority of this season so far has been an improvement on last season we're looking truly special. It's been some time since I've been this excited about the future of our club.

I think on the performances we've been putting out we can beat anybody in the world, I genuinly believe that! forget the Barca, RM, City etc etc we are Liverpool and we're moving forward there's no doubt about it. I mean look at our team it's a unit, it's a proper team, a team effort sure we will have blips from time to time but this happens. I think Klopp is absolutely fantastic and the right man for the job, sure he's made plenty of mistakes but what manager hasn't you know? he is afterall only human.

There seems to be a big debate about Salah and Firmino, who is better lol I love them both, both put 100% in (as do most of the team these days) but if I had to choose a favourite it'd be Firmino, the lad is just unbelievable and I wouldn't swap him for ANY player. Salah knows where the goal is, he's absolutely fantastic there's no doubt about it and he's another one I wouldn't swap for anybody but to me Firmino just has it ALL and what I find exciting is since Coutinho left we've been playing better football, scoring more and Firmino is the better player without Coutinho in the team, atleast in my opinion he is?

The defense is looking a lot more solid these days, with quite a few players to thank for that, most notably VVD, Robertson and TAA/ Gomez. I just hope to see a more permanant line up in regards to the defense, I'm not particulary fond of the rotating going on but who am I to moan? it seems to be working so I'll go with it.

Karius I don't know about this lad, I have a real funny feeling he could shock everybody and could turn out to be really good for us or is that me been a little too excited? I don't know, time will tell but from what I'm seeing I'm happy with him.

You think of the squad we have right now, we are going to be adding Keita to that and whoever else? No wonder I'm excited, Keita is true class! his attitude concerns me a little but let's hope Klopp can sort his head out in regards to that. I think next season with Keita and a few other players coming in we're going to be a force to be reckoned with, we are now without other additions.

Top 4 we WILL get this season I have no doubt about that but to me we must improve on 4th spot and I think we will, with ease. The other teams up there are nowhere near as consistant as we are.

Anyway I must stop rambling on but on wards and upwards! Have a good weekend to all!

25 Feb 2018 05:58:12
Great post mate.

25 Feb 2018 06:10:08
Nice one Salah. Agree re Karius, hopefully the confidence of being number 1 helps him grow even more. If we don't get Alisson which ed2 is telling us isn't happening then jist persist with Karius.

The coverage I watched really didn't give him any credit for getting a glove to Arnautovic's lovely chip that he pushed onto the post. Love his quick release of the ball wherever possible as well.

{Ed002's Note - The problem with Alisson is that there is a better option, but he may not be first choice there and Klopp favours someone else.}

25 Feb 2018 07:35:24
It's sad to know klipperty got the klipperty for someone else unless that someone else is karius . I think karius will come good.

25 Feb 2018 06:33:19
I know you've said Keylor Navas is klopp's preference Ed2, just curious as to who the better option I your opinion is. Apologies if I've misunderstood your reply.

{Ed002's Note - the advantage of Navas is experience, Alisson has little experience but is gaining a good reputation. Folks like Butland are English and have PL experience. Other potential options exist in Germany. It is very much take your pick.}

25 Feb 2018 07:16:22
Care to share who you believe the better option to be Ed2? Value your opinion.

{Ed002's Note - the advantage of Navas is experience, Alisson has little experience but is gaining a good reputation. Folks like Butland are English and have PL experience. Other potential options exist in Germany. It is very much take your pick.}

25 Feb 2018 08:16:11
You mean Alisson going to Real Ed002? How is playing second fiddle to DDG or Courtois a better option?
Anyways, prefer to see Karius given a full season to show what he can do. Don't want the pretend GK Navas anywhere near LFC anyways. The club should steer clear of average GKs. Klopp has a big decision to make in the summer. Either stick with karius or sign Alisson. Please no Navas and I am saying this because I have watched Navas play regularly and he has been bang average. RM have not won all those trophies because of their GK or defense. They have won all trophies inspite of them.

25 Feb 2018 09:32:45
Navas’s experience counts for nothing in my books because he doesn’t have ability to back it up and makes horrendous mistakes almost every game, which when you consider he isn’t often called upon us quite a scary prospect since you can almost guarantee that he will drop a clanger that would cost a goal rather than deal with something competently, however I definitely agree with you Ed that there are some interesting options in Germany mind you. I am glad that Karius now has the shirt for the rest of the season as it means he has the chance to make the position his own.

25 Feb 2018 09:48:56
Btw agree with the other posters that I think Karius will come good. A bit of patience and we might be rewarded. Certainly he pulled out two fantastic saves yesterday that were top drawer and dealt with pretty much everything else calmly and competently.

25 Feb 2018 11:02:35
I used to like Butland but since his injury he has struggled.
Makes the odd “worldie” but also too many ricks.
Karius did very well yesterday 👏.

25 Feb 2018 12:14:33
Great post Salah. Have to agree with your comments abit Firmino playing better since coutinho left. As good and creative as coutinho was, it always felt like he was trying to show he's the best with his consistent shooting or trying to find a shot, nowadays there's such a fluidity to our play which is exactly what Firmino is about! Long may it continue!

25 Feb 2018 14:25:15
Of all our attacking prowess the most exciting thing I've seen of us is when we took the air out of the game today at around 68 mins and took control of the match before it got stretched and we conceded another!