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06 May 2015 22:48:52
Good day Eds.

Sorry about throwing in a random name, but have we or any other team looked at Youri Tielemans of Anderlecht. Been following the Belgian league and saw him in the Champions League. Very composed for a 17 year old. 18 tomorrow.

I feel he has the potential to be one of the best in his age range in the coming years.

Thank you.


{Ed002's Note - Lots of interest from clubs but not Liverpool.}

1.) 07 May 2015 05:50:16
Hasn't he agreed to join Atletico?

2.) 07 May 2015 06:24:56
Has he agreed to go to Barca in 2016? Saw that on another forum.




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10 Jan 2019 14:10:21
John Aldridge talked about Klopp clearing "deadwoods" in the team. Isn't that kind of rude. Even if the player knows he's a deadwood (like Moreno that he mentioned by name), I don't think he'll like to be called that.
On the other hand, he also talked indirectly about Origi and Sturridge and the need for 2 more forward players.
With Harry Wilson coming back (I expect him to get game time next season. He's 21, he may as well start playing), I think we need just one more forward next season.


1.) 10 Jan 2019 14:58:21
He’s just a mouth on a stick.

2.) 10 Jan 2019 15:00:01
It is a bit rude but I'm sure Moreno has heard himself being called much worse than that in his Liverpool career.
I too would be happy with one forward in the summer and to welcome Wilson into the squad next season.

3.) 10 Jan 2019 15:14:15
After morenos showing against Wolves, deadwood is highly complimentary if ya ask me.

4.) 10 Jan 2019 15:16:50
Deadwood is a terrible term and not fair at all. But you look at the contract situations of some of our players, and the lack of quality of others, and it looks like an exodus is going to be a realistic occurrence in the summer.

I'm looking at Mignolet, Grabara, Clyne, Randall, Moreno, Lallana, Milner, Allan, Ejaria, Markovic, Kent, Sturridge, Origi, and Awoniyi in particular. I'm not sure any of those will be Liverpool players at the start of next season.

5.) 10 Jan 2019 15:55:14
I thought Grabara was held in quite high regard?

6.) 10 Jan 2019 16:24:32
Jeeez. Give me 80 grand a week and you can me Shaniqua for all I care.

7.) 10 Jan 2019 16:59:31
It seems as though Kelleher is now more highly rated than Grabara. Doesn't mean he'll leave but I wouldn't put money on him staying.

8.) 10 Jan 2019 17:20:00
Lol you and me both LFC8!

9.) 10 Jan 2019 18:24:10
Moreno I'm sure has had opportunities to move on with limited game time and further his career and play a lot of games. But he has chose not to and to stick it out at Liverpool knowing he's not getting a game. Not the first and won't be the last. Happy to take the £, no ambition.

{Ed001's Note - like what opportunity?}

10.) 10 Jan 2019 18:56:56
Other players say they would like to leave to get game time. I can't believe he's not been close to a move. Milner played I his position for a season, that's got to frustrating enough to force a move.

{Ed001's Note - and Moreno has said he would like to leave for game time. There is no interest because he is overpaid and we are asking too much.}

11.) 10 Jan 2019 19:21:31
Fair play ed01 I stand corrected.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is the interest is from Spain and, in particular, Sevilla, who do not have the money to make a deal.}

12.) 10 Jan 2019 19:28:59
Is this why the German teams are looking at English youth because there's no money compared to our league in the European leagues?

{Ed001's Note - it is more because English clubs do not give them as much first team football as German clubs do. Though that is partly down to the money differential, as they can't buy 45 squad players and so have to look to develop youth players.}

13.) 10 Jan 2019 19:35:09
In your opinion ed do think there will ever be a meaningful cap on overseas players? This would maybe help players like Moreno not waste their careers sitting on the bench. Cheers ed.

{Ed002's Note - the PL is stuck between success, which has happened and sense which says you have a mass of youngsters, use them. Everyone - including the clubs - want the youngsters - but not at the expense of the success.}

14.) 10 Jan 2019 21:06:26
6 months ago I would have argued a case for both sturridge and lallana. But after watching Danny against wolves, be made zero effort. Didn't make runs, didn't look to recieve the ball, I don't remember him going up for a header let alone winning one.

Then you look back at the Chelsea game where he was all over gbe place wanting the ball and he smashed home a worldie. I can honestly see that being his last goal for us (has he scored since then? )

2 years ago if you had talked about selling lallana I would have laughed and called you crazy. But he has done nothing since coming back from injury. Nothing. No assists (might be 1) but now I understand why his anfield future is in doubt. He just hasn't done enough. It's a shame coz he was playing really well before his awful injury and in the 18 months he was out, the team has changed. Been on a ucl run to the final together.
And he is getting on, he's not going to get quicker. But maybe we need a few old heads in this title pushing team.

I wouldn't sell dither of them until the summer. We need to get rid of sturridge and origi, bring through brewster and buy a forward. And we can look forward to Duncan joining the team. I believe he might be the next fowler, the next Owen. Honest. And I think that's why klopp got shot of origi.

15.) 10 Jan 2019 21:13:07
Don’t think he gives a toss what he’s called u can call me Susan if I was getting 80k a wk so fair play to aldo saying it like it is!

16.) 10 Jan 2019 21:32:06
Robbiesline, I believe that was Studges first start since the Carabou cup and Lallana hasn't started back to back games in God knows how long. It may be that they move on next season but Klopp seems to have the up most respect for both of them and in Lallana's case I think he has an important part to play in what hopefully is our march to the title.

17.) 11 Jan 2019 20:43:06
As soon as you use the word, "Deadwood", you should automatically lose whatever argument you are having. That label is despicable and clearly, Aldo should know better BUT he doesn't. He should go wash his mouth out with soap first before he comes and discusses which players should leave or stay at LFC.



15 Sep 2018 14:27:09
Someone has to talk to Klopp about changing the back four at the last minute. I hope it doesn't cost us one of these days.
Salah seems to be over-anxious to score and Mane was indecisive with the final passes at times.
All in all, fantastic three points away from home.


1.) 15 Sep 2018 14:50:26
The commentator mentioned TAA had a knock so they brought JM on.

2.) 15 Sep 2018 14:53:20
I think we could of done with another forward in the summer too freshen things up and not b too predictable feel a bit sorry for shaqiri got a feeling he could do good things for us.

3.) 15 Sep 2018 14:54:18
He doesn't seem to have learnt a single thing about subs.

He's just not improving with it.

Every is brilliant apart form that it's trully trully awful.

4.) 15 Sep 2018 15:34:44
Some people are never happy.

5.) 15 Sep 2018 16:26:48
You mean: Some people are always looking to improve our play. Putting on Matip at the end invited on pressure and it probably would have been 2-2 had it not been for a wrong call from the ref.

6.) 15 Sep 2018 16:54:14
You can always improve chakob but 5 wins from 5 really isn’t the time to complain about anything. Winning your first 5 games in the bPL is no small feat.

7.) 15 Sep 2018 17:01:50
If your first post after beating a top 6 rival away is a complaint then you are never happy.

8.) 15 Sep 2018 17:31:57

9.) 15 Sep 2018 18:30:34
Great start to the season 🏆

Matip does seem to be a goal magnet 🤨.

10.) 15 Sep 2018 18:47:09
Klopsboss is right.
There was another thread several weeks ago abt the same substitutaion issues and the problems it causes.
Klopp is stubborn and unless the sittuation really becomes critical he does nothing abt it.
Good examples of this were the defence and goalkeeping positions.
It took Klopp 2 and a bit seasons to accept he needs better defenders - that's after 5 previous seasons of having defenders that were campetent enough and those that were, were aging on a downward decline.
Rodgers lost us the title because of defence issues.
As for goalkeepers, it was only afyer realising how angry fans were at Karius and then deciding to buy a new keeper.
Being stubborn leads to ignorance.

The LFC fans are all happy to over look cracks in the the team and dismiss them when we are winning but wehn we do not win they all of suddon become experts and see all the cracks that were there before.

I do not always ageee with everyones opinion on here but to dig him out for wanting a perefect setup/ performance/ team.

11.) 15 Sep 2018 22:03:03
I don't know if it took Klopp 2.5 seasons to "accept" we needed changes or if it took that time to effect the changes. i'm leaning with the latter as I'd always felt it'd take 3 summer windows to get Klopp's squad in shape.

12.) 15 Sep 2018 21:20:12
15 from 15 lads. just be happy.

13.) 15 Sep 2018 22:03:51
People were over confident on Salah to score 40 goals again! That is not happening. Which is why he chased Fekir all summer. We still haven’t got that Phil Coutinho magic in our midfield!

14.) 15 Sep 2018 23:29:00
Seems to me that now that Wijnaldum has proved the moaners wrong, it’s the manager’s substitutions that are coming in for stick. 5 wins out of 5 - just enjoy it for what it is.

15.) 16 Sep 2018 00:05:14
Salah won’t need to score 40 goals this season because our defence will concede less than last season.



14 Aug 2018 13:42:37
Good day all.
Sorry Eds if this is the wrong page to post it, but I've been watching British Sitcoms of late - The IT Crowd, The Inbetweeners, Peep Show, Gavin and Stacey, Green Wing, Coupling (my favorite) .
Just want to ask - seeing as there are more UK folks (I assume) on the site - to recommend good ones to download.


{Ed001's Note - we do have a TV chat site in the drop down links: Chat-TV. Be good to see you on there and hopefully someone can recommend more as I am out of the loop on good comedies and could do with something to watch in the background while editing.}



18 Jul 2018 14:58:28
The amount being quoted is obscene for a goalkeeper. I felt the fee Man City paid for Ederson was crazy, but this is beyond crazy.
The good thing about this is that he can be the 'keeper for the next 10 years. With Real (Courtois) and Barcelona (ter Stegen) covered goalkeeper-wise, his options are limited to Bayern, Juventus and PSG. Bayern won't sign a non-German 'keeper as 1st choice. If Juventus/ PSG come for him, we can get our money back.


1.) 18 Jul 2018 15:46:28
Are we seriously thinking about who a player might leave us for before we even sign them now? .



11 Apr 2018 21:16:22
Outside the fact that Navas has been shocking tonight, I hope Klopp doesn't go for any goalkeeper.
Karius should be given a full season to make the role his.


1.) 11 Apr 2018 21:26:23
If Real go out they will come knocking for JK.

2.) 11 Apr 2018 21:27:24
Karius deserves a chance.

3.) 11 Apr 2018 21:36:58
Nothing wrong with having two good keepers in the squad though, so if Mignolet leaves as seems quite possible, then there should be room for another keeper to arrive as Klopp may not see Ward as good enough.

4.) 11 Apr 2018 21:39:14
Buffon concedes pen and is sent off.

5.) 11 Apr 2018 21:52:48
Buffon didn't concede the pen he just reacted like a moron.

6.) 11 Apr 2018 21:54:46
Buffon didn't concede the pen Agger. He got sent off for remonstrating with the ref.

7.) 11 Apr 2018 21:58:00
pretty poor penalty to give by oliver who is a woeful ref.

{Ed001's Note - did anyone else think he looked delighted to give it? He gave a little skip of joy before pointing to the spot!}

8.) 11 Apr 2018 22:00:01
Buffon should have stayed on.

9.) 11 Apr 2018 22:10:16
Ref was gunning for it all game. You can see how scared he looked when the juve players surrounded him too. Every time a Madrid player went down he would wait a second and then give it like he was awaiting a look from Ronaldo or something.

10.) 11 Apr 2018 22:13:19
I would actually love to get Real Madrid after this game. They are from at their best.

11.) 11 Apr 2018 22:14:48
That was a pen. a soft one perhaps but you can’t jump all over someone like that from the wrong side. And Buffon deserved the card, he was going apoplectic. I’m as gutted as anyone Real won that game but you can’t blame the ref for those decisions IMO.

12.) 11 Apr 2018 22:16:52
Olrish, the idea is good to bring in a keeper but not Navas. He makes Migs look very good and that speaks volumes! If Klopp has seen him tonight he wouldn’t go within a mile of him!

13.) 11 Apr 2018 22:17:48
imo Michael Oliver called an even game, the penalty was soft but not necessarily wrong.

14.) 11 Apr 2018 22:18:53
You can tell that the ref was not sure at first as he had to wait a a couple of seconds before giving it. I still think it was a pen, tho as Benatia came thru Vazquez's back to reach the ball. As for Buffon, he deserved to be sent off. Love the guy BUT disgraceful conduct.

15.) 11 Apr 2018 22:19:23
Real Madrid somehow get the help that they need, and boy did they need help tonight Juve must feel upset and they won't be wanting that Ref again .

16.) 11 Apr 2018 22:31:20
Yeah Benatia was caught on the wrong side of Vazquez and pushed him over. A soft pen, but a clear one.

Why was Buffon given a red for remonstrating with the ref? I thought a yellow would suffice (for dissent)

17.) 11 Apr 2018 22:41:19
He put his hands on him then screamed something in his face, unfortunately it was a red although Oliver did let joe hart get away with sticking his nut in his face (only a yellow)

18.) 11 Apr 2018 22:47:39
Sure did ed01, his face was a picture after the decision. Realising he’d had one big time and when he looked across he realised his only back up was Atkinson who is equally as bad. Surely it has to be more than luck that Real and Barcelona get these decisions so regularly?

{Ed001's Note - well yes, partly it is because they get into the box more often, partly it is because they dive more than most when the opportunity presents but yes, I would say there is no luck involved.}

19.) 11 Apr 2018 23:05:50
That was a penalty. Hand on shoulder, leg wrapped around the player and he didn't touch the ball, cos it's trajectory didn't change.
I don't think it was soft, I think it's clear.
Of course, Vasquez was expecting it and took full advantage, but still, it was a clear penalty.

20.) 11 Apr 2018 23:42:56
Never a red for Buffon too, he was going mad yes, but it's a yellow unless he lays hands.

21.) 11 Apr 2018 23:55:56
Does anyone not thing Ronaldo should’ve been sent off tonight. His dive for a penalty in the first half was terrible should’ve been booked for that, then the booking for taking his shirt off after scoring the penalty. Would much rather face Madrid in the final where they are less likely to get the decisions so obviously in their favour compared to having to face them at the bernabeu.

22.) 12 Apr 2018 00:17:50
mane yesterday was more of a pen yet not given, refereeing is just crap.




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11 Jan 2019 11:39:07
What's the business/ sporting sense in offering him a new contract?
He can't leave on loan or be sold, or that would've happened over the past couple of seasons. And he isn't good enough to be a backup.
Just let him leave.




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02 Jan 2019 20:23:48
Apparently, there are concerns over his fitness.
My opinion is that it may be difficult for him to go on loan because teams would need him to start playing immediately.
A permanent deal however may be different, because he may be afforded more time.
But that's just my opinion.


{Ed002's Note - That is not the issue - someone making unreasonable demands is.}



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09 Jul 2018 15:48:05
I think he can play the role we want Fekir for. Won't mind him if we don't get Fekir.




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05 Jun 2018 08:07:03
I think most persons are looking at this lightly.
As an example, in the NBA finals, a player (Kevin Love) suffered a concussion and the NBA wasn't going to allow him to play the next 2 games. One was two days after the concussion, the other was 5 days after the concussion.
A concussion isn't just a slight bump. I think medical teams should try to be more aware of these things. Players would always want to continue playing. Blaming Karius isn't the ideal thing.


{Ed001's Note - well said.}



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04 May 2018 13:55:05
Robertson is a good player. Not "great" yet and he may not get there. I think he gets all the hype cos he's from the UK and no-one can remember the last time Liverpool had a LB.
However, I don't know if there's any LB in the league that I'll take ahead of him. I like my defenders to defend first and Robertson does that well.
He's not a top-tier full back yet in the mold of Lahm or Zanetti, but how many have their been in the last few years.





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16 Jan 2019 19:47:29
And he managed to rub Lampard's nose in also, after all the grumbling. He knows more about Derby than even Lampard. And he managed to expose Derby's tactics to all the managers in the championship under the guise of justifying his spying.
Absolute legend.




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15 Jan 2019 13:31:21
I'll have Milner at RB, with Fabinho at the centre. Let Matip stay on the bench.
Joe Gomez should be back in the next 2 weeks, I presume. We'll be fine.




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14 Jan 2019 09:57:45
I haven't seen Wilson this season, but he has been getting good reviews at Derby. I know the Championship isn't the premiership, but Neves has done well with Wolves. Personally, I think Wilson has to be with the team next season.
Also, I'm not sure I'll go for Werner. I'll prefer someone that is more versatile.
I think we need to get a forward next season. Salah, Mane and Firmino have been playing lots of games. We're lucky they're Ronaldo/ Messi kind of durable, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to rest them from time to time.


{Ed025's Note - wilson is not the answer realtofel, unless you can bring him on just to take free kicks like they do in american football, the rest of his game is awful mate..



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14 Jan 2019 09:39:06
Lack of ambition by Arnautovic. You can see the arrogance radiate off him when he's on the pitch. He thinks he's a top player, but he wants to go to China just when he's in his prime. Quite disappointing really. Was hoping he will go to Chelsea and maybe raise his game a little bit higher.
In any case, the decision is his.




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13 Jan 2019 20:39:51
If they're as open against us as they were against Spurs, then they have no chance IMO.