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23 Jun 2024 19:00:37
Hi Ed002. Seen today Morton, Clark both wanted by decent clubs for sale or loan. Adrian also leaving. Hopefully things starting to happen now. Do you expect we'll here of any progress with incomings soon? Interesting we have 3 non-HG spaces open now.
{Ed002's Note - Tyler Morton (DM) Hard to see a future at Liverpool. Has had a very good season on loan at Hull and a Championship side may offer him a reboot. Liverpool may price him out of a move. Eintracht Frankfurt offer a wildcard option.
Bobby Clark (CM) Loan possible with Derby wanting a loan to buy deal.
Liverpool are workin on additions.}
1.) 23 Jun 2024 21:13:04
Derby want Bobby Clark on a loan to buy? I want to take Margot Robbie out on a date but she still hasn't replied to my messages.
2.) 23 Jun 2024 21:03:32
Cheers Ed. Extremely grateful as always. Hope you're well.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}
3.) 23 Jun 2024 22:12:16
Loan with no option to buy would be a great move for him. Elliott’s loan to Blackburn was the making of him. Came back a really mature young man with 50 odd senior games under his belt.
4.) 23 Jun 2024 23:20:53
Be calm @Babbity. For starters do you actually think that Bobby Clark sees his future as a permanent move to Derby? Secondly, I hear the club have a video of Nancy Reagan saying ‘Just say no’.
5.) 24 Jun 2024 10:45:08
Does that not leave 2 non-hg spots. From memory Grav will need one of the 3 this season unlike last season.
6.) 24 Jun 2024 11:52:43
Shipley, Thiago, Matip have left and Adrian has rejected a new contract by all accounts, so there should be 3 non HG spaces left in the squad before any other outgoings.
Goalkeepers: Alisson
Defenders: Van Dijk, Konate, Tsimikas, Robertson,
Midfielders: Mac Allister, Szoboszlai, Endo, Gravenberch
Forwards: Salah, Nunez, Jota, Gakpo, Diaz.
7.) 24 Jun 2024 14:25:17
VV, there is also Anderson Arroyo who I believe counts as non-HG, but will surely be sold.
Throw in that Diaz looks very likely to leave and we should have 4 free spots in the roster for non-HG signings. I'm not even sure we need 4 signings, so there is certainly very little to be concerned about.
I'm hoping we can make a good signing early on in the window so the doom and gloom merchants chill out a bit. It's getting a bit depressing. If someone woke up from a 10 year coma and read this site they'd think we still hadn't won anything since the 1990, we'd finished 10th last season, and the only player in the squad who is top class is Joe Gomez.
Confusing times on here. Confusing times.
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30 Jun 2024 10:24:55
Hi Ed002. I suspect you may tell me to stay away from this conversation.
Seeing clubs who are sailing close to the wind (financially) doing deals between each other. The fees being agreed seem inflated. I appreciate they have to fall within the PSR rules but this all seems nuts. Players are becoming like pawns.
{Ed002's Note - I really don't know what you are referring to. Can you give some examples please.}
1.) 30 Jun 2024 11:20:51
Leelad the athletic did a good podcast on it the other day. Def worth a listen.
2.) 30 Jun 2024 11:37:43
Thr rub is you can’t prove the transactions are related.
And the fees for the most promising home grown/ academy kids have been escalating for a while. Look at City’s sales over the last few years.
It is what it is. More shame for the kids being shunted around than potential rule breaking.
3.) 30 Jun 2024 11:31:24
For example Elliott Anderson going to Forest for £35m and Newcastle suddenly interested in a Forest keeper.
Everton and Villa have bought each others players. Chelsea and Villa as well.
I'm not saying this isn't within the rules but it looks like an obvious tactic to avoid falling foul of PSR regs.
{Ed002's Note - I agree that the price being requested for Anderson is high, but there is sustained interest in Vlachodimos from Newcastle.
Elliot Anderson (CM) Missed much of the season through injury but otherwise an ever present in the Newcastle side. Nottingham Forest have tried to negotiate a deal with Liverpool who will let him leave - but the asking price is very high. The player was a prolific goalscorer at other levels but has so far not continued that in the Premier League.
Odysseas Vlachodimos (G) Had a pretty torrid first season at Nottingham Forest after opting for the move from Benfica over interest of Manchester United and Newcastle. The interest of Newcastle remains at the right price.
Aston Villa worked very hard to sign Ian Maatsen from Chelsea after Dortmund could not meet his Option to buy price. The other interested side, Bayern Munich, managed to get Alphonso David to agree to stay a while longer. Chelsea first asked Aston Villa about the availability of Omari Kellyman two years ago when negotiating the purchase of Carney Chukwuemeka.}
4.) 30 Jun 2024 12:36:40
Thanks Ed002 for taking the time to answer. I'm still concerned the game is going even further in the wrong direction.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome. UEFA are looking to revise rules related to PSR/FFP and The FA are also looking at better alignment. The eventual change will likely mean that clubs need to increase Home Grown and Club Developed players - but most Premier League clubs are against this. However, what I do expect to happen moving forward is (a) a push to lower the maximum number on non Home Grown players from 17 to 13, (b) an increase in the number of "Club Developed" (having been with the club for a year before turning 19) players which currently only impacts UEFA competition, and (eventually) (c) changing to matchday squad such that a minimum number of Home Grown players must start the game (say four), and a minimum number of Club Developed players (say four again) need to be in the match day squad. There are already rules surrounding this in other countries.}
5.) 30 Jun 2024 13:36:37
Germany have rules similar to this I believe. You need to have x number of club trained players in the squad and you also have to have x number of club trained players who are also German as well. You can buy as many foreigners as you want but you can't play as many as you want.
I'm not 100% on that but I think that's how it works.
The effect anyway is you see German teams have a high % of German players in their squads.
6.) 30 Jun 2024 15:09:17
The PL is about making money, it’s a business. Its only concern for the sport is that it needs players to keep the money rolling in.
If the integrity of the sport came into decisions then they would take a look at other models like NFL. In NFL the worst team can challenge for honours the next season due to salary caps and the draft system.
In an ideal world, teams should be allowed to have a total out-going on players wages, fees and agents based on last seasons position. In addition they should be given a set amount of TV money plus an additional amount based on last season position. So Forest (17th) would get more than City.
i. e. Man City would be able to increase their total player/ agent spending by zero.
Arsenal by £5m
Liverpool £10m
Villa £15m
etc
17th Forest can increase their total player/ agent spending by £80m
Something around that model would increase competition.
I don’t think the PL want that though.
7.) 30 Jun 2024 15:43:13
Ed02, your response is another example of why this site is head and shoulders above any other out there for genuine football information. Top drawer!
{Ed002's Note - Thank you.}
8.) 30 Jun 2024 20:58:38
That’s really interesting about the potential non-HG reduction to 13 players. Hopefully that comes to fruition Ed002. It would probably increase the value of HG players but it will be a good thing for players in the academy getting given more chances. Thanks for sharing.
{Ed002's Note - It is all a balance that the UEFA, the FA and other FAs are considering. There are objections from England about the number, Spain and Portugal (and perhaps France) about the Cotonou Agreement. There remain huge fears about the potential breakaway by "elite" sides and all eyes will be on the meeting in August.}
9.) 30 Jun 2024 21:27:44
Ed002, do you think English clubs will have stepped back from the breakaway league idea? The public reaction in England was pretty unanimously damning last time around. John Henry would also look a bit of a flake if he entertained it ever again after that apology video! I think it’s the next step in the natural progression of the sport but from a football romantic perspective, I hope Liverpool aren’t involved and stay true to the clubs working class history.
{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the Liverpool and Manchester United owners plotting Project Bigfoot. The “elite sides” continue to meet and continue to consider options. The expanded Club World Cup will only benefit Manchester City and Chelsea from England next season. That is seen as far from ideal.}
29 Jun 2024 10:43:25
ED002 - any reassurance you can provide that we won't sign Gordon, would be greatly appreciated.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any plans to sign him and it would be a surprise to me.}
23 Jun 2024 21:03:32
Cheers Ed. Extremely grateful as always. Hope you're well.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}
30 Jun 2024 12:36:40
Thanks Ed002 for taking the time to answer. I'm still concerned the game is going even further in the wrong direction.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome. UEFA are looking to revise rules related to PSR/FFP and The FA are also looking at better alignment. The eventual change will likely mean that clubs need to increase Home Grown and Club Developed players - but most Premier League clubs are against this. However, what I do expect to happen moving forward is (a) a push to lower the maximum number on non Home Grown players from 17 to 13, (b) an increase in the number of "Club Developed" (having been with the club for a year before turning 19) players which currently only impacts UEFA competition, and (eventually) (c) changing to matchday squad such that a minimum number of Home Grown players must start the game (say four), and a minimum number of Club Developed players (say four again) need to be in the match day squad. There are already rules surrounding this in other countries.}
30 Jun 2024 11:31:24
For example Elliott Anderson going to Forest for £35m and Newcastle suddenly interested in a Forest keeper.
Everton and Villa have bought each others players. Chelsea and Villa as well.
I'm not saying this isn't within the rules but it looks like an obvious tactic to avoid falling foul of PSR regs.
{Ed002's Note - I agree that the price being requested for Anderson is high, but there is sustained interest in Vlachodimos from Newcastle.
Elliot Anderson (CM) Missed much of the season through injury but otherwise an ever present in the Newcastle side. Nottingham Forest have tried to negotiate a deal with Liverpool who will let him leave - but the asking price is very high. The player was a prolific goalscorer at other levels but has so far not continued that in the Premier League.
Odysseas Vlachodimos (G) Had a pretty torrid first season at Nottingham Forest after opting for the move from Benfica over interest of Manchester United and Newcastle. The interest of Newcastle remains at the right price.
Aston Villa worked very hard to sign Ian Maatsen from Chelsea after Dortmund could not meet his Option to buy price. The other interested side, Bayern Munich, managed to get Alphonso David to agree to stay a while longer. Chelsea first asked Aston Villa about the availability of Omari Kellyman two years ago when negotiating the purchase of Carney Chukwuemeka.}
29 Jun 2024 11:25:25
It's inevitable they'll be gone in 12 months (especially Salah) . Would you give VVD a new contract on 250k/ 300k a week or Salah £350k+ a week. No chance. Plenty of great players out there. We just have to find them again.
29 Jun 2024 11:11:16
Rigsby. I know my suggestion is a bit wild but they'll be gone soon either way you look at it. Ed025 - I'm just not a fan of giving players, who are on the decline, significant wages. Neither Salah or VVD are going to get better. I just rather we cracked on without them. We'd be fine.
{Ed025's Note - still 2 quality players though Lee, the problem is replacing them with a similar standard player mate..
29 Jun 2024 09:57:19
Most posters going to dislike this view but it's just another way of looking at things.
Our biggest problem is VVD, we too often rely on him and to it's a becoming a bit of a lottery if he's up to it. He's nearly 33 and will ask for significant wages on any new contract. If someone offered us decent money for him, I'd sell. I'd then go and get 2 centre backs. One who is naturally left footed and the other able to play in a couple of positions. Next I'd have Robbo as back up left back and sell the Greek. Ait-Nouri would be perfect.
I'd also sell Salah or at least get his replacement in early. We can't be a club that pays 100k's a week to aging players.
Other players will naturally step up, I'm thinking of Trent, Szobo, Nunez, Gakpo, Quansah, Bradley, Macca, Elliot should be the core of our team.
{Ed025's Note - dont worry about the money Lee...they wont be knocking on your door to contribute mate..