Liverpool banter 10

30 Mar 2026 08:01:02
Hey ed001 what do you make of carra top 10 list for Liverpool players. Am I going mad or was that a decent list. The outrage it caused is unbelievable. I think it was a decent list. I would have mo in top5 but there not much in it not at all.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about sorry.}

30 Mar 2026 09:38:51
Carra made a top 10 players in LFC history.

10. Ian Callaghan

9. Kevin Keegan

8. Virgil Van Dijk

7. Alan Hansen

6. Mohamed Salah

5. Ian Rush

4. John Barnes

3. Graeme Souness

2. Kenny Dalglish

1. Steven Gerrard.

{Ed001's Note - he put his best mate top, is that the controversy? Because it is clear that Gerrard is nowhere near Dalglish and seems a bit harsh to leave Keegan down in 9th. I can understand no Liddell, as so few people are left who saw him play. It doesn't really seem all that controversial though.}

30 Mar 2026 10:05:36
Nothing wrong with the list. I'd just swap 1 and 2 round personally.

30 Mar 2026 10:06:36
So difficult to rank these players.

All I will say is Dalglish is number 1.

The rest are debatable.

30 Mar 2026 10:11:07
King Kenny or day long no debate.

30 Mar 2026 10:13:26
Might have throw Phil Neal in there somehow.

30 Mar 2026 10:33:43
So difficult to choose a top ten?

It's a good list but if you put Emlyn in there or Tommy Smith & Roger Hunt, I don't suppose there would be many complaints.

30 Mar 2026 10:39:09
Nowhere near is a throw away comment. Gerrard will forever be known as a legend of the game. That earns respect. Gerrard imo is Liverpool's greatest ever player. I'd accept King Kenny as no 1, but to say nowhere near, that's simply not true. Gerrard was a wonderful footballer.

{Ed001's Note - he was, but Kenny was a lot better than anyone else that has ever played for us.}

30 Mar 2026 10:39:34
I'm no fan of Carragher but it's his top ten. Do I agree with it, no, but it's his opinion and he's welcome to it.

30 Mar 2026 10:49:08
Think everyone would agree with at least 8 on this list, maybe the placing gets moved around a bit, but if Callaghan is on there, then Hunt, Liddell have a good shout as well, then we have Lawrenson, Neal, Clemence etc, but very very hard to pick an all-time top 10.

30 Mar 2026 11:09:50
Just for fun I asked AI to rank the top ten.

1. Kenny Dalglish
- Peer recognition: Multiple PFA awards, Ballon d'Or runner-up.
- Trophies: 3 European Cups, 6 League titles.
- Why #1: Elite individually and central to Liverpool's most dominant era.

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2. Steven Gerrard
- Peer recognition: PFA Players' Player of the Year (2006), Ballon d'Or 3rd place.
- Trophies: Champions League, FA Cups, UEFA Cup.
- Why: One of the most respected players ever by fellow pros.

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3. Mohamed Salah
- Peer recognition: 2x PFA Players' Player of the Year.
- Trophies: Premier League, Champions League, multiple domestic cups.
- Why: Modern-era dominance + consistent elite-level recognition.

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4. Ian Rush
- Peer recognition: PFA awards.
- Trophies: 2 European Cups, 5 League titles.
- Why: Liverpool's all-time top scorer + huge trophy haul.

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5. John Barnes
- Peer recognition: 2x PFA Players' Player of the Year.
- Trophies: 2 League titles, FA Cups.
- Why: One of the most skillful and respected players of his era.



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6. Virgil van Dijk
- Peer recognition: PFA Players' Player of the Year (2019).
- Trophies: Champions League, Premier League.
- Why: One of the highest-rated defenders ever by fellow players.

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7. Graeme Souness
- Peer recognition: Highly rated by peers, multiple team-of-the-year inclusions.
- Trophies: 3 European Cups, 5 League titles.
- Why: Dominant midfield general in a golden era.

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8. Kevin Keegan
- Peer recognition: Ballon d'Or winner (twice, though after leaving Liverpool).
- Trophies: 3 League titles, European Cup.
- Why: Elite individual recognition + major success with Liverpool.

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9. Alisson Becker
- Peer recognition: Best FIFA Goalkeeper, Yashin Trophy.
- Trophies: Champions League, Premier League.
- Why: Widely regarded by peers as the world's best at his peak.

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10. Luis Suarez
- Peer recognition: PFA Players' Player of the Year (2014).
- Trophies: Limited at Liverpool.
- Why: Exceptional individual peak, even with fewer trophies.

30 Mar 2026 11:11:27
No Fowler either.

30 Mar 2026 11:16:47
No I ed001 the outcry is because he has salah on 6th and that created a storm on some social media so much so it resulted in salah posting a pic of his accolades.

Yes kenny is no1, like automatic no1, on any Liverpool legend list. Its not just the achievements (which alone warrant his place). Its how much he did for the club and city after the tragedy. None of the others can be considered an off pitch legend which cements king as the no1 forever.

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure any of the rest are worth arguing about, it is really down to personal opinion. I wouldn't really bother arguing about him deciding to go with Stevie, as Carra was a boyhood toffee, so won't really have grown up with the love of the King that a red will have.}

30 Mar 2026 12:07:45
"He put his best mate top, is that the controversy?"

Not really.

30 Mar 2026 13:46:39
Oh that's a pretty valid point, if he grew up as a toffee he probs hated Kenny. 😁

{Ed025's Note - dont tar every Evertonian with the same brush Cafu, i thought Kenny was one of the best players i have ever seen mate..

30 Mar 2026 14:02:37
@Grumpy, you putting Virgil on your list but not Hansen. Hansen should be spoken about in the same breath as Maldini, that's how good he was.

30 Mar 2026 14:36:40
I have no problem with Callaghan being on the list if you are giving "longevity" more weight than the other factors like football skills, leadership, dedication to the club and winning titles.

I'd agree with Salah at #3 or #4.

Curious that no goalkeepers are in the top 10. Clemence and Alisson were/are crucial players of their time, in the team.

30 Mar 2026 14:13:36
You're a different case Ed025. We have always known that you're a closet red ;)

{Ed025's Note - im just a football fan Drac, i will tell you if a player is good or bad mate and it matters not a jot if they are red or blue, but i must tell you that closet has an unbreakable lock on it.. :)

30 Mar 2026 14:56:27
The thing is those of us who have been around long enough could probably make 10 lists, if not more, we have been so lucky to have loads of great players over the years.

30 Mar 2026 17:40:33
When I saw Carras clip online the only issue was that he put Salah high on Premier League greats, but lower in Liverpool greats. I might be wrong, but I think he put Kenny above Gerrard. It's all about opinion. Personally, I think Clemence was our greatest goalkeeper, but I'm sure people will disagree.

30 Mar 2026 17:58:08
@Silent knight, re: Clemens, I was telling my son that, as much as I think Ali is the greatest GK I have ever seen (hence, the best at LFC), I also told him that, as I did not see Clemence play, there are those like you who could argue that he was better than Ali.



And, frankly, they would have more than an argument for this take cos, well, they saw both of them play.

30 Mar 2026 18:31:51
Everybody's list will be different, it's subjective, I am sure Slot will have Gakpo in his top ten.

30 Mar 2026 19:10:23
I think Carra chats wham most of the time and he's clearly got agendas. But I agree with his top three and Gerrard as number one. The most complete player for me and we have been in the bottom half of the table at times if it wasn't for him.

30 Mar 2026 22:40:09
@johnzandt, I asked AI the question, it's not my top ten. Hansen would be in my top 5 easily. Made defending look like a walk in the park. That man was pure class and read the game better than anyone I have ever watched.

30 Mar 2026 23:03:50
Everyone's list will be different, it's Carra's opinion, and he's entitled to express it.

31 Mar 2026 06:12:11
No Bobby dazzler. 😲

30 Mar 2026 23:22:00
I believe Ed025 is purple, more on the blueish side but purple nonetheless. He definitely wants Everton to win the derby, but if Liverpool wins the PL or CL, he'll be as happy as anyone if for no other reason Merseyside wins. He's a throwback without question and more need to be that way. Too much tribalism these days.

{Ed025's Note - i will be celebrating if Liverpool win the CL or even the FA cup Stone as always have done, i dont know if that makes me a Merseyside super fan or a bit of a plonky though mate.. :)

31 Mar 2026 10:40:27
No controversy in my book. Gerrard is my top as well. Might have been different had I seen Dalglish play, but I didn't, but still recognise him as a legend of the game. The problem is we were so bad for so long most LFC fans today won't have watched 7 out of those 10 play, myself included.

30 Mar 2026 07:40:02
Gordon on the left.
Diomande on the right.
Gertruida to cover RB and CB.
Sadiki in midfield to replace MacAllister.
Gravenberch to drop deeper as he did last season.
Isak to have an injury free season.
Ed001 is that a title challenging team in your opinion if added to the existing squad?
I know you won't be interested in the costs below but they are my take on what it would cost to attain those players?

Rough guide prices below:

Gordon £70m
Sadiki £60m
Diomande £70m
Gertruida £20m

Total £220m

Sell:

Gakpo £50m
MacAllister £75m
Jones £40m
Elliott £25m

Total £190m.

{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced Gordon is anywhere near the level of a title chasing team. I don't understand why everyone is so desperate to sell Gakpo either, he is a victim of the set up as much as anyone.}

30 Mar 2026 09:27:06
Totally agree with Ed001. Slot can't get a performance out of most players and Gakpo is so badly affected by Slots poor decisions. Think new manager and let them have the input on who comes and goes so we get the players that are needed for whoever the next manager is

30 Mar 2026 09:41:02
Gakpo, I find it too predictable. He isn't utilising overlaps made by Kerkez, but, tbf, Kerkez doesn't help himself with 90% of crosses hitting the first man.

Gakpo, like Jones, takes too many touches, especially since we all know he's cutting in.

Just give it back to Wirtz and let him do his magic instead of faking left, cutting in right after 2 touch and shooting against the cb's legs.

{Ed001's Note - I agree, he is not perfect, but a top coach should be able to fix his issues. He has regressed badly under Slot.}

30 Mar 2026 09:59:54
I personally don't want Gordon in this team, nowhere near the level required if we want to class ourselves as one of the top teams in Europe. And he would cost us a lot of money trying to buy from Newcastle, really don't see him as a player who delivers consistently.

30 Mar 2026 10:09:24
It's a great point by Ed001.

Apparently only Dom, Jones and Gakpo are responsible for their own performances, the rest of the team is hampered by Slot's tactics.

We need to be a bit more consistent than that.

{Ed001's Note - it does feel that way Ron.}

30 Mar 2026 11:27:32
Just playing devil's advocate.

Wirtz gets a free pass on struggling this year because of tactics and the rest of the team underperforming. But, Gakpo, who had a quality year last year and has been generally good since joining, gets hung, drawn and quartered?

I'm not bashing Wirtz btw, I love him as a player.

There's just a double standard.

30 Mar 2026 11:45:41
Gordon with Gakpo could be a top rotational partnership for a title chasing team, much like how Diaz and Gakpo were.

30 Mar 2026 11:56:07
Those in their first season get a pass from me, especially new league, new country, new culture. So Wirtz gets a pass.
Isak - injured.
Kerkez - less of a pass.

Just goes to show how good Hugo has been even though he has had his dips in form.
He's been our best signing this season. Great potential for the future.

30 Mar 2026 12:22:49
Indeed, Coulred. I mentioned it on here a while ago. Everyone gives Gakpo all types of stick and sometimes, it is warranted. However, no one can tell me he has become this terrible overnight.

In the last 2 years under Klopp, and you guessed it, Slot, Gakpo has performed very well. Diaz was his comp. last season and we all know how it brought the best out of both players. Gakpo is not as bad as he looks now cos we have seen him perform better in the past.

He may not be the most technically gifted dribbler. Even Salah isn't that, but the things he is good at are his technical ability on the move, a powerful, relentless runner, and is effective scoring and assisting, even tho he can always improve.

Those are his strengths. Diaz was his comp. and we all know how it brought the best out of both players.

On the contrary, this season, Slot told everyone Gakpo has no comp. at all. The manager did that, something which has caused him to play every game, and it's like he is running in quicksand and doesn't seem to know what to do, as you can see he is often caught in two minds, hence, decision-making is erratic. The guy has regressed under this manager this season and that much is clear, compared to the last couple of years, imo.

All the above (as well as everything else going on with the rest of the team collectively) is all on the manager, imo.

30 Mar 2026 12:37:32
If you are in a maze, you don't keep walking into the same dead end. Gakpo does every game, you can read Gakpo like a book: cut in on his right, curl the ball towards the goal, and the same end product. One might go in now and again.

30 Mar 2026 12:48:50
I am happy to give him 1 more season, but still feel if certain players become available, we use him as a way of financing. I agree, judging this year is harsh, but I think you can still take thing upon yourself to improve your own decision making.

30 Mar 2026 13:52:38
Gakpo is a good player to finish a move. He is a bad player to be involved in the middle. His tendency is to slow play down and give the other team options.

He should basically be glued to the post on his side of the pitch.

It's where he is most effective. He's this era's Dirk Kuyt. Great work rate, good tracking back, but don't give him creative duties because that's not his forte.

30 Mar 2026 14:39:57
No problem with rotating Gakpo with someone new. Problem with Gordon being that someone.

30 Mar 2026 15:15:31
Agreed, I don't think Gordon is the answer, ArAy.

30 Mar 2026 17:50:22
@albeydered, I get that, however, Gakpo knew what he was doing and didn't have these issues last season esp. since he knew Diaz was his comp. So he had to really raise his game, which he did. Also, Gakpo showed he could go inside, outside, bully fullback esp. in the air, and had a left foot that could actually cross the ball.



This season, he can't even do any of those things right cos the manager is always on the team's back to keep possession and is not allowing Gakpo to express himself like last season, something the whole team is suffering from btw. Again, all of that is on the manager.

30 Mar 2026 17:58:38
Neither do I, ArAy.

30 Mar 2026 18:40:45
If Anthony Gordon is the answer, what is the question!! Not even close to being good enough. Worse than Macca for diving, and surely much better options out there.

30 Mar 2026 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Davey Sulls has posted a new article entitled, My Liverpool Summer Plan: Coach Change and Four Signings

29 Mar 2026 18:42:24
As a replacement for Macca.

29 Mar 2026 19:18:51
Yes I do agree a monkey would do a better job in midfield than Macca.

29 Mar 2026 20:12:09
Whilst I believe Macca, Gakpo, Konate etc have had terrible seasons (nobody has been top class).

They also have been victims of this terrible, terrible boring system, Arne Slot has persisted with.

Regarding Macca, a midfield 3 with him and Wirtz in there doesn’t work. It would've had to be a diamond to work, both far too slow, destined to fail from the start.

29 Mar 2026 22:52:07
Do we ever have a reason where A. Gordon would be welcome into the fold, surely better production than Gakpo.

29 Mar 2026 23:37:04
Gordon is an excellent player. He'd thrive at LFC.

30 Mar 2026 00:13:30
I never understood the hate for Gordon. Scourser, Young, quick, versatile, can dribble, goals/assists, works his socks off. Pool fan. I'm a huge admirer. Would love to see him do well.

30 Mar 2026 02:44:02
Gordon could do well for us, he just wouldn't be my first choice, or second... He'd also be way overpriced, Newcastle would have a field day and drag the transfer out again just like with Isak. It's a hard pass, I'm afraid. I wouldn't be going anywhere near Newcastle stock for a few years. Don't fancy getting messed around again.

30 Mar 2026 06:19:19
Gordon has pretty much the same numbers in the PL as Gakpo this season, albeit with a few fewer games. For me, Gordon flatters to deceive. Add to that the occasional rashness, play acting and no doubt crazy fee. I'd rather we look elsewhere.

30 Mar 2026 08:03:49
Ok, it's been a bad season, but not as bad as Newcastle, so we don't need Gordon.

30 Mar 2026 09:10:29
Gordon is just a bang average run of the mill winger, a Stewart Downing mk2. A lot of money for not very much footballer. We'd only be paying for the fact he has a UK passport. The fact he's a local lad and a supporter is not a reason to sign him. It's not make a wish.

30 Mar 2026 12:28:00
No. 8 like you, I don't rate Gordon and I have said this from 2 summers ago when we almost signed him. Diaz is levels above him as a footballer but in terms of end product, Gordon is better.

As Ed01 said on another thread and I agree, Gordon ain't good enuff for a title chasing team like LFC where teams are going to low block the life outta you with NO space to run into. Gordon doesn't have enuff in his locker to help in this area and simply doesn't have to deal with any of that at Newcastle because seriously, who low blocks Newcastle?

We can defo. do better, IMO.

29 Mar 2026 18:41:52
I think there's a possibility of us going for Fofana and maybe Khepren Thuram in the double pivot with Fofana playing on either flank if we sell Gakpo.

29 Mar 2026 23:07:34
Mad the abuse Macca gets on here.you don't become a bad player overnight.yes hasn't had a great season, criticism is fair but a monkey would be better than him.they used to say we were the best fans in the world.you'll never walk alone.do yourself a favour mate.criticise if you wish but at least make it constructive.

The same fans be up in arms when someone wants to leave and should show some "loyalty".

30 Mar 2026 09:32:10
To be fair, BIOT7, this isn't an overnight thing, Macca was poor last year and a passenger. It's become even worse this year.

30 Mar 2026 12:31:40
BIOT7, I love Macca as a player and footballer and I was happy we signed him. However, this season, his lack of athleticism (which was a feature last season, even tho he finished strong) has come to the fore a lot more this season esp.

in a PL where hard running and athleticism are the norm.

That is why he has been poor and struggled thru out the season, hence imo the reason why people think we should cash in.

29 Mar 2026 18:19:05
{Ed's Note - Davey Sulls has posted a new article entitled, My Liverpool Summer Plan: Coach Change and Four Signings

29 Mar 2026 18:29:12
Forgot Harvey Elliott. I would bring him back into the fold. See if he can progress further. No point selling imo after a terrible loan.

29 Mar 2026 18:35:59
Also, thanks a million to the editor.

{Ed033's Note - Thanks, Davey.

29 Mar 2026 19:50:51
Interesting read, Davey.... I don't see Trent coming back, but I would also like to see it.
Also, interesting that you would start Ekitike over Isak.
I agree with Diomande, and I think we ought to sign two fast, direct and young wide forwards who can play either flank. Our attack is blunted and needs pace and runners in behind, which in turn will also get the best out of Wirtz in the 10.



Agree we need a top midfield destroyer for either Szob or Grav to play alongside.

I really rate both Leoni and Jacquet; I would be tempted to sign a cb/rb type, and I too would also use Gomez to cover lb.

29 Mar 2026 20:20:21
For me, I would go.

Midfield
Anderson, Wharton, Gray (if Tottenham go down). Let Jones, Elliot and McAllister leave. Geertruida would also be a very good buy for his versatility.

For wing two of Diomande, Fofana and Akliouchi. We will have both Leoni and Jacquet also. Plus, factor in Isak with a full pre season. Bradley a little later in the season.

29 Mar 2026 20:33:23
I wouldn't think there's a cat in hell's chance of getting both Anderson and Wharton. The more I see of Wharton, the more I'm not convinced. Not sure he's an upgrade on Mac Allister.

29 Mar 2026 20:48:38
Trent can stay as far away as possible, never want to see that PoS back, specially after his latest weasel words. Personally, don't rate Wharton; he’s a slower, less mobile version of Mac Allister without the goal threat. And for someone over 6ft, he has absolutely no physicality. Highlight reel player at best. The occasional Hollywood pass doesn’t make up for everything else that he lacks.

29 Mar 2026 21:02:20
@Vik, Agree about Wharton, he's a cart horse. It's like the 'English tax' on buying players - it's the 'English hype'. 😉

29 Mar 2026 21:02:52
As for Elliott, I'm sorry his loan at Villa has gone pear-shaped, but he's got no future with us. Regards to Jones, I wouldn't be sorry to see him go, but I think we're stuck with him.

29 Mar 2026 22:29:48
I'd rather Harvey than Curtis. I don't know, I've never rated Jones, as I find he doesn't even do some of the basics right.

For me, Harvey has higher football IQ and can play decent through balls and score a goal from time to time.

Lightweight and won't offer much defensively, but I don't mind Harvey as an impact sub in the 10 role when Wirtz needs to be subbed.

I say this because I expect Macca to go, and I prefer Szobo in an 8 or double pivot role, which is also what he prefers.

I think Harvey can still improve under the right system, management and players around him. I can't really see Jones improving much more.

29 Mar 2026 23:39:45
Elliott isn't that good a player to make any difference to a LFC first team 11. I don't see any mitigation to have him at the club at all.

30 Mar 2026 08:41:31
I'd still have Elliott over Jones all day.

30 Mar 2026 10:57:19
Why on earth would anyone want that Spanish judas back.his rat brother would also end up costing us extra millions in wages n transfers n also line up his already full pockets.

30 Mar 2026 11:50:50
Well done, well thought, well said, Davey.
Thanks for your insight.

I listen to games more than watch them, for logistical reasons, so I'm generally restricted to Steve Hunter's "observations." 😩

30 Mar 2026 12:33:41
WDW, I agree as well. Wharton ain't who we need if we are going for a mobile midfield. He is way too slow, even slower than Elliott.

30 Mar 2026 14:43:24
Viktor, what has TAA been saying lately? 😒

29 Mar 2026 05:55:47
Would gladly wait for the City punishment until the summer,
Then a 60 point deduction, two year transfer ban, and a hefty fine of say £40-50m all coming into effect from August 2026.
That's the least we should expect to see in my opinion.

29 Mar 2026 08:33:27
Even if it does happen, City can still appeal it and drag it out for another year or two. Wouldn't expect anything to happen in the immediate future, really.

29 Mar 2026 09:44:35
There's no chance the corrupt league will hit their corrupt mates with a 60 point deduction. Whatever they do get hit with, they'll appeal and get a reduction anyway. I'd be very surprised if it was more than 12 points. It should be a point for every charge, frozen wage bill, transfer ban, and title stripping for all years in question, but of course that would require the league to actually have some integrity.

Whatever happens, I guarantee disappointment for everyone bar City.

29 Mar 2026 12:34:53
Was it a corrupt league last season?

29 Mar 2026 12:35:05
Bloody hell, I think it's time to lower expectations. A few million in fines and a suspended transfer ban is more than likely for City. Then, hopefully, this farce of a court case can be put to bed.

29 Mar 2026 12:55:05
Everton n Forest got pts deducted because let's face it, they haven't got the money like Citeh Chelsea to fight it. If Chelsea would have got banned or demoted they would have just done what Citeh have done n dragged it through the courts for years, but they'll take the fine with glee n that's all I can see happening to Citeh.

{Ed001's Note - Chelsea were not given points as they self-reported and helped with the investigation. If they had not reported it, no one would ever have known about it. They also turned over everything to the FA and Premier League to go through, while Citeh tried to be obstructive and block access to their files, even though all clubs sign a contract when they join the Premier League which agrees to give free access to the Prem and FA to their books.

It is two totally different cases. Chelsea was all done under Abramovich, while Citeh are being investigated because of what has happened under the current owner. Can people stop spouting ignorant nonsense and whining about it without actually having a bloody clue. It is so tedious reading all the whinging about nothing.}

29 Mar 2026 13:10:20
Could there ever be a suitable and fitting punishment for all their 'alleged misdemeanours', points deduction, transfer ban, fine? All temporary and nothing more than a kick in the shins.
Would they be where they are today, whether or not 'alleged misdemeanours' took place?
Maybe, eventually.


All titles expunged, removed from history, never happened.
Whatever, if any punishment received won't really change anything, a temporary blip on life's pathway.
There can never be anything remotely fitting, but we know!

29 Mar 2026 13:16:31
Chelsea was entirely different from City, so I'm not sure why people keep bringing it up as a comparison. They were the ones who reported the inconsistencies in their accounts themselves after the new owners took over and found out about it.

They could have easily kept quiet about it and the league would likely not have found out about it at all. They also cooperated with the league fully afterwards, so they have a lot of points going in their mitigation.

29 Mar 2026 13:30:24
That may very well be the case, Dracred, but every other club not named Chelsea would have a very good argument for the punishments being harsher. They signed a fair few top players in that period that got them a considerable amount of success and points at the expense of everybody else in the league.

What's to stop any other team doing the same thing and then reporting it themselves a few years down the line? (Granted they would have to sell the team to somebody else before they report it haha).

{Ed001's Note - no they haven't. That is just ignorant nonsense. No other club has a good argument for it being harsher. They might whine like the fans do, but there is no good argument for anything, just petty whining.}

29 Mar 2026 13:41:17
It's gone on too long now. Took about a week to dish out the blues****s punishment. I'd strip them of everything they won in that period and replace the record with cheated. Then have Prem records show no 1st place foul play at hand. Embarrass the whole lot.

29 Mar 2026 13:44:49
What rot, PB.

29 Mar 2026 14:07:59
The Irish Rover!!, I'm assuming you're suggesting the league wasn't corrupt because we won it, which in turn suggests that your idea of corruption is match fixing, referee bias and manipulated VAR decisions. That's a very small-minded view to have. When I'm talking about corruption I mean brown envelopes, back handers, offshore accounts, cooked books, hush money and that sort of thing.

And, answer your question, yes I believe the league was corrupt last year, and every other year. I don't think there's a major organisation under wing of UEFA that isn't corrupt to some extent.

29 Mar 2026 14:19:53
There's no chance the corrupt league will hit their corrupt mates with a 60 point deduction."

Chewy, that suggests to me that you think the PL are just in cahoots with City only? I will wait for any damning evidence against the PL before I go about calling foul.

29 Mar 2026 15:25:41
No, that's not what I'm insinuating I'm making. Suggesting two entities are corrupt doesn't automatically mean that corruption exists solely between the two. I'm afraid you've misunderstood me. I'm simply implying the league is not impervious to corruption, I'm not suggesting they have some sort of uniquely corrupt partnership with City.

Whilst I can appreciate that some, like yourself, would demand concrete proof, personally, I've seen enough corruption in football, and many other sports, to be convinced that no organisation is completely free from foul play of some sort.

29 Mar 2026 15:50:50
My point was not to have a go at Chelsea or even Citeh, it was to have a go at the lilly livered prem league, they done Everton n Forest quickly.but because Chelsea n Citeh are mega bucked with lawyers everywhere, they could fight anything for however long if they wanted, costing the prem league 10s of millions in legal fees.So ED001 since you seem to know all about it, do you think the punishment to Chelsea was adequate because they complied or do you think they should have been let off because it was a different owner group to who owns them now

{Ed001's Note - Chelsea didn't fight it, it took time because there were years of accounts to go through. The punishment was probably about right, they did everything right under the new owners so anything worse would have been very harsh and not encouraged others to come forward in future.}

29 Mar 2026 17:21:27
ED001, Fair play to Chelsea, they done all what was asked of them and still got a big fine, what do you think will or should happen to Citeh.I can't see what everyone is hoping for, only because of how they would fight tooth n nail over every charge and I don't think whoever runs the prem league are up for the fight

{Ed001's Note - they should be stripped of all titles, other than that, I think they deserve at least one relegation.}

29 Mar 2026 18:21:29
Have you all heard of the Mandela Effect. When a large group of people share the same false memory. Like the Monopoly man wearing a monocle when he actually does not. Well, perhaps City are hoping that takes effect, and we all think we remember they have been punished when they actually haven't. The Premier League board will all sit there in a year's time and be happy about how they punished City when actually they forgot to do it, and it's all a false memory.

There is more chance of that happening than an actual substantial punishment ever being brought. It will be a fine that will be paid out of the owners' spare change purse and a suspended transfer ban. If anything at all.

29 Mar 2026 18:33:25
They should definitely be stripped of all those titles they won. But I am not in favour of those titles being handed over to the 2nd placed sides. A bit meaningless those titles would feel honestly.

29 Mar 2026 18:53:16
Cheers for the replies ED001, would the titles go to the 2nd place team or just have no champions on them years

{Ed001's Note - just be stripped.}

29 Mar 2026 21:05:54
Are you saying that Mandela didn't exist, Kim?

30 Mar 2026 07:09:15
Titles stripped and any prize monies 'earned' must be paid back and redistributed to the teams that came runner up. They have to receive some level of transfer ban and hefty fine imo.

{Ed025's Note - any monies should be distributed to grass roots football for me LN..

30 Mar 2026 07:18:18
1) Strip them of the titles, that's a given.
2) Relegate them this season.
3) Ban them from the PL for 4 more seasons.

Sounds about right for me.

30 Mar 2026 08:33:24
The thing with Chelsea is that they are very good at exploiting loopholes (which is fair enough), but they do seem to be one of a very select band who cause the rules to be changed. Clubs can't even sell their hotels or their women's team to themselves anymore.

30 Mar 2026 12:42:22
I'm with Ron. Just strip their titles with an asterisk next to those seasons, and leave that side alone, along with a 3 year transfer ban.

As for relegation, part of me actually wants them to stay up (with a healthy point deduction for each season they were found guilty), so that they can go to every PL away ground with the home fans chanting "Cheats" each time they get the ball and whenever they score a goal.



As for comparing Chelsea with City, people need to go do their research, really.

31 Mar 2026 03:35:18
Where should people research, @Oli? Where did you do your researching, if I may ask?

29 Mar 2026 00:08:08.
Seen a lot of hate on here the other day regarding Wirtz. Just hope the same people seen the player he can be when played in the right position and also play the game around his strengths, not make him just a number.
He's 22, 2 years Bundesliga Player of the Year. We have a possible superstar on our hands and he's never played 2 games in the same position, never mind his favoured position, and I accept injuries and form.


Just think it's time to play our best players in their proper position and then make the team around them instead of playing our best players out of position cos they can play there.

29 Mar 2026 08:49:11
Wouldn't say it was hate, Steve, a poster put up a post that they were a bit underwhelmed with Wirtz and most of replies were positive about him. I also think we've a potential superstar on our hands, but I do believe u have to build a team around him, a physical energetic midfielder behind him for starters, imo.

He can be a bit easy-oosy at times and he will have to step it up next season, like the whole team. He was playing v well recently before he got that injury and when he came back he looked like he did at start of season, a bit off it. He had a good game for Germany seemingly and hopefully he takes that form back with him.

29 Mar 2026 09:16:49
Wirtz will be better for it next season. He was playing an international friendly with nothing on the game.

Not Premier League, where he gets brushed off the ball like he's an academy player.

He'll be better for it and yes, we have a baller. But can we stop manufacturing ways to make everything about Slot.

29 Mar 2026 12:56:52
Wirtz is class. It took him a while to blend in. I'm hoping we see the best of him next season, with a manager, players n tactics which suit our team.

29 Mar 2026 18:35:09
I have never seen any hate towards Wirtz. I think you were being a bit disrespectful towards Reds fans, Steve 81. We all know we have a world talent that needs to bed in with the club, players and country, and hopefully a new manager. YNWA.

29 Mar 2026 19:21:09
Until the fraud leaves, I'll reserve judgement on Wirtz like other senior players.

30 Mar 2026 12:47:14
Digger, the poster who did all that, should go check out the goal Wirtz just scored vs the Swiss at the weekend.

Wirtz was always gonna struggle to adapt, as it is his first season, and frankly, I am more excited about what he can do under another manager.



Cos if Wirtz can perform well to a decent/good extent under a feckless manager with a useless system then it can only bode well for him under a competent, committed and less arrogant manager who is fully engaged in making the team (and Wirtz) better. Just my take.

28 Mar 2026 17:19:10
Great to watch the Legends play. Thiago and Stevie on the same pitch.
Dalglish, Rush and Klopp as the management team. Crouchy and Smicer. It's clear the LFC former players are a great family. Would love to see the likes of Milner, Hendo, Salah, Firmino, and Mane back again when they are retired. What a club!

28 Mar 2026 18:37:43
A lot of clubs wouldn't get 60k watching the first team. I'd love us to get the likes of Thiago,
Milner, if he ever retires, involved in the coaching side, youth teams first, and I would invent a job to get Klopp involved running the academy and football development, etc etc, have a pathway for ex players to be future managers boot room style... but absolutely, as a fan since 1978, based in North London, my son is 17 now.

He was 9 when we first came to Anfield, we get up for around 4 games a season, a couple of parades and even a week in the summer for the hell of it, and have done for the last 8 years. The club, the city, the people are special.
My son knows his way around the city blindfolded, can speak perfect Scouse, and apart from spending my pension to do it... it was worth every penny!! Living out my dreams with my lad was and is priceless.

{Ed025's Note - love it Eddie..

28 Mar 2026 18:24:50
Particularly great to see Stevie and Thiago playing together, can only imagine the damage they could have done together. Stevie can still put it on a sixpence from anywhere, pleasure to see him play again. Some goal from Jay Spearing. Pity they didn't get the win. Great watch, nonetheless, but I was nearly ready to kill the broadcast director when they missed the Klopp fist pump!

28 Mar 2026 19:51:16
Great to see how our amazing city can do this to help local people. I loved the interview after the game, where he said he believes this is the greatest city in the world.
Makes me so proud to be a Scouser.

28 Mar 2026 22:01:38
Nice post that Eddie. 👍🏻

28 Mar 2026 22:10:32
I absolutely love taking my wee lad over for matches. Making memories with my one and only Priceless. 👍

{Ed025's Note - im made up for you Barry, those memories will live forever mate and thats great..

28 Mar 2026 22:29:38
Agree lads, going the match with my lad is special. At the Spurs game last season, final whistle just hugged each other, finally saw the Redmen win it together. My lad is 21 in July, been taking him since he was 5. Still love it.

28 Mar 2026 22:43:49
Eddie74, brilliant post, buddy. I love it. Hope you and your son continue to enjoy the best city in the world.

29 Mar 2026 09:32:29
We went and it was nice to feel unity with the club/players and Klopp through his fist pumps.

It saddened me of how detached we are at the moment with things on and off the pitch with our manager and issues.

YNWA.

29 Mar 2026 05:28:06
That's what it's all about Ed025. Red or Blue Liverpool is a brilliant city.

{Ed025's Note - it really is Barry, and very friendly mate..

29 Mar 2026 10:35:38
The first time I took my boys to Anfield was way back in 2008 against the mighty Wigan, Titus Bamble getting a late equaliser. It was absolutely baltic but the kids loved every bit of the whole experience.

Going to Carraghers Bar and the Liverpool store so they could bankrupt me 🥴. The only thing missing was a victory so thanks for that, Titus, never liked that guy anyway. 🤣

29 Mar 2026 10:49:51
I didn't go but have seen clips online. Not sure Jurgen will have helped Slott's cause, the connection he had was electric and is what everyone is missing right now (that's absolutely no criticism of Klopp by the way, everyone would have been gutted if he didn't do the fist pumps!)

29 Mar 2026 11:49:00
Were any of the current staff there or any of the players that didn't go on international duty?

29 Mar 2026 11:58:46
I was the same Chewy! It was caught on YouTube though:

30 Mar 2026 12:51:42
Smashing post, Eddie. Didn't see the game as I was on Daddy Duty with my kids and then, on Buger Duty afterwards, lol.

Great to see all the lads and the enormous tribute they made in the 20th min. for Diogo and Andre (saw the highlights). A true family we Reds are, for sure.