Liverpool banter 4

07 Dec 2025 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Tusole has posted a new article entitled, Chelsea's Delap Struggles to Convince

07 Dec 2025 09:24:20
What about Richard Hughes responsibility here?

07 Dec 2025 10:06:03
Seriously, what about it? Apart from slagging him off 2 summers ago (the Chiesa summer), we've been salivating over absolutely everything he has done since. Now he's the problem? Really?

07 Dec 2025 00:27:36
Ed - in a post yesterday I asked about the FSG chain of command from the Money men in the states down to Edwards, Hughes, Slott etc and when and if they might have to step in .
You mentioned in your answer that if they become unhappy with the personal they hired IE Edwards, Hughes they might have too .

The club is in as big as mess in every department as I’ve seen for quite a while - probably since the days of Hicks and Gillet and with Mo’s inflammatory remarks earlier their “brand “ isn’t in danger of becoming a disaster it’s now a full blown one and will they feel the need to step up very soon and bring Edwards and Hughes’s into question - the club and fans deserve some sort of indication on how this sh*t show rights itself!

Whatever people think of Mo’s reaction tonight he’s lit the fuse in my opinion on an already disintegrating set up and all this before a massive game against Inter where a result is imperative to our CL progress ( we’ve not got an easy run of games in that competion )
lose against Inter with moral at breaking point and I can’t see any other outcome in Slott having to go just to enable a total reset to try and restore some form of positivity to get us something out of the season . A cup run perhaps but anything is better than this

Mo’s arrogance at times makes him the winner and great player he is and for me if he leaves in Jan which leaves him a couple of games to go then he l should be able to go on his terms with a bit of dignity - he’s been an all time great and the funny thing is his best two games were the teams best two games when we played with a concentrated press at tempo to his strengths - I totally get his anger.

{Ed001's Note - this will certainly catch their attention. Hard to know how they will react without knowing them personally, but 2 players gave interviews which basically said that Slot has lost the dressing room. In a very different way by Dom, but it was clear what he was saying as well. I would very much expect them to start putting pressure on Edwards and Hughes to fix this now, at the very least. Hughes is going to have to go all in on Slot or make the change. Personally, I think we will start to hear whispers of them looking at other managers and getting prepared to wield the axe.}

07 Dec 2025 07:29:45
I don’t think this one will blow over, agree with your assessment Ed. Even though things shouldn’t be dealt with in the way they were last night it’s just a symptom of how low we’ve sunk as a club.

I’ve thought for a while the style of play, particularly at home, just isn’t right for us and now I also think the style of leadership more generally isn’t right. That’s both on and off the pitch.

In data driven corporates you wonder do they know how to communicate with each other and also exercise common sense in decision making. The standards have slipped massively in a lot of aspects of the club right now.

{Ed025's Note - i agree Hugo..

07 Dec 2025 07:52:21
Salah's comments have definitely lit the fuse. I dislike players airing out dirty linen out in public so I would say that Salah was bang out of order with that. But somehow I feel that it was very much needed. Slot has lost the dressing room completely and the players no longer believe in him. I don't think it's displayed to just Salah but Vvd has been looking increasingly frustrated during matches.

And from Dom's comments too, it shows that things aren't right. People will turn on Salah, and rightfully so, but I think the spotlight should be on Slot now. Our poor form has gone on for way too long and if he has lost the players, we would never be able to turn it around unless he goes.

07 Dec 2025 07:57:37
Thanks for trying to answer so many of the same questions Ed!

It’s a right bloody mess.

{Ed001's Note - very much so, a shambles mate.}

07 Dec 2025 08:21:51
Agree Dacred - I said it needs a reset now to try and get some sort of balance and sense put back into the club .
There is no way they can go on into the new year in this state . What’s worse is I’ve a fear that cliches will start within the playing staff which is a poison you’ll take years to remove - much like at UTd .


It’s a sorry state and the newbies who’ve arrived must be thinking what sort of shambles they’ve got themselves into!

07 Dec 2025 06:37:59
Keep seeing posts from people who appear to be ITK saying Slot is safe for now. How on earth is that the case? The team is imploding. The tactics, style of play, performances and results are atrocious, the players are now turning on him and he flat out refuses to change.

After the game he said " at 3-2 up we didn't need to score again but to control the game". How has he not learned that in this league you always need to score again. Its a joke. The board are now being negligent in my opinion . If they think this is salvageable they are sorely mistaken.

07 Dec 2025 07:23:19
I don't think he's wrong. The problem is that these days we have no idea how to control a game or to keep our heads when things are going wrong. Which on one level is understandable given how low confidence is and how badly things have gone against us for the last two months, we could be 4-0 up at half time and it would still be a toss up whether we can survive the rest of the game.

07 Dec 2025 07:39:12
Because other than Carra the rest of the “ITK” have got nothing right, they literally repeat each others posts or put stuff on here to get attention which is clearly BS.

How can anyone know 15 mins after a game “slot is safe” then the Mo interview and Dom interview hits and he’s “on thin ice” an hour later. It’s all posturing and nonsense, the only ITK I will listen to is Carra as he’s go way more right than any of the rest of these people with sources…. Funny how they all came out the wood work at the sad passing of Ed2.

07 Dec 2025 07:43:30
He has changed it.
Salah didn't play and Szob has moved further forward. Mac was left out for Jones. Ekitike started and Isak didn't.
We just don't have the players where we really need them.

07 Dec 2025 07:48:55
I read that as well and that's unacceptable at this level of the game. To hold on to a one goal lead and not try to score at all or out pressure in the other team is just asking for trouble.

We don't need to score but we at least need a threat. Removing all our attackers and leaving Isak isolated up front was poor. And they scored from that passivity as well.

07 Dec 2025 08:06:45
I think Rigsby makes a fair point, I think we were cruising to a win, Slot set the team up to eke out a win and control the game and Dom, Hugo and Jones all played very well. We collapsed after conceding a completely needless penalty late on and then the manager and the players all lost their heads. It's bizarre because we should never lose from that position, it's not like the team was set up poorly or the lineup was wrong, we just don't know how to cope with adversity anymore. That and the fact that we are probably the worst team in Europe defending set pieces.

David Lynch makes a great point in his video about how set piece training isn't Slot's responsibility, but that it could be the set piece balance that costs him his job (among other things of course) . We have conceded 10 goals from set pieces, that is almost half the goals we have shipped so far this season.

07 Dec 2025 08:47:19
You can’t say set piece training is not slots responsibility it’s ALL his responsibility. If it’s not worked during 3-4 games do you think he should pay attention to it?

07 Dec 2025 09:23:11
How can set piece training not be part of the head coaches responsibility or remit. He might not do it personally but he oversees and allows it to be delivered in the way it is. It’s in his gift to change it, if not there’s something fundamentally wrong with the set up at the club.

Selection, substitutions, playing style etc are all with Arne, as is developing the right mentality in the group so he is accountable for creating a lot of the problems we’re seeing and not resolving them.

Rigsby is definitely right though our bench options are poor. They have been for years, it’s just that Jurgen could get a bit more blood out of a stone than anyone else could have done so it got papered over.

07 Dec 2025 11:08:50
But its a bit to late to change players round. to differentpositions, . they are devoid of allconfidence. Under Klopp all the players felt appreciated, now they are terrified to play their natural game.

07 Dec 2025 05:27:57
I've just watched the Mo Salah interview and the Szoboszlai post match one.
Mo can have no complaints, he has been dropped due to his form, he has started and played 90 minutes week in week out based on a very well earnt reputation in the hope that he will come through the bad patch but it just hasn't happened. Instead of knuckling down and being a leader he talks of leaving. Conflicts behind the scenes? we will never fully know but things can turn sour in small groups very quickly.

Just give Dom the armband.

Forget about Brighton next weekend we have Inter on Tuesday, I wouldn't be suprised if Mo doesn't travel, I reckon Slot will not want to back down.

Its all a bit of a mess right now.

And if there is the slightest chance anyone can pass a message on to Arne, for the love of god please start Chiesa or even Rio instead of Gakpo.

07 Dec 2025 06:44:56
Oh be quiet. Just because Dom is the in form player and runs a bit more he deserves the armband. Utter rubbish.

07 Dec 2025 07:34:34
Captains his national team and clearly our best player - be a good choice for me.

07 Dec 2025 07:45:40
'Oh be quiet'?
You don't know how a forum works, do you, Kippers? Do a bit of research, lad.

07 Dec 2025 10:23:26
LOL Rigsby! 🤣.

07 Dec 2025 17:07:34
I do Rigsby, it’s an opinion platform and you’re talking crap as well.

07 Dec 2025 00:19:46
Wow. Just wow. I cannot believe what is happening to this club. From champions and major money spent improving all areas to a monumental capitulation in individual performances, team ethic and drive, tactical approach and now worst of all, team unity. I wonder if Klopp regrets leaving seeing what has happened to us without him.
I don't think we'll even see Salah on the bench again after that interview. Legend no doubt but you can't have a player doing that.

Think he's gone unless Slot goes first and the replacement wants Salah to stay.
Eds - do you think Salah's outburst might actually buy Slot some more time to repair this? I. e getting a pity vote for clearly having to deal with dressing room issues from supposed problem players that might soon be gone? I hope not personally, Slot and Salah both gone for me. End of an era ay.

{Ed025's Note - look Mo has been a brilliant player for Liverpool Westwood but you cant go public like that mate, yes i understand his frustration but in all honesty he has not deserved a place this season imo, he says he has been thrown under the bus but for me he has thrown Slot under the bus if anything, i cant see a way back for him now which is a shame really..

07 Dec 2025 06:46:38
Nonsense Ed, if he’s back playing in a system that meets the strengths of his qualities he’ll be free scoring and assisting again. Slot reminds me of Rafa’s frailties as a manager: stubborn.

{Ed025's Note - no one is saying Slot blameless FK but Mo has been given more than enough chances this season mate and he has not delivered, who the hell does he think he is?, i for the life of me cant see how you can defend him on this and its attitudes like this that are the real problem, Salah is totally out of order and being billy big Bollox is doing him no favours at all..

07 Dec 2025 06:57:34
I think it’s a tough one ed0025.

If you take Salah at face value then he’s asked the questions behind closed doors and he hasn’t got any answers.

He’s also been dropped for three consecutive games and seen other players who have been in worse form starting. Salah has been poor this season by his standards but as I’ve said on other posts Macca and Konate have been far worse. Konate is actively harmful right now and shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.

So whether you agree with him going public or not - he is being made a scapegoat, that’s true. You only need to look at slots initial bizarre defence of Konate last night- "What you can say is he [Ibrahima Konate] tries to prevent the cross from coming. If you want to call it a mistake, it's a mistake from hard work and trying. There was contact that's for sure. The player was already going to the floor”.

I think Mo is likely feeling he’s been pushed out and just gone sod it I’m taking him with me.

{Ed025's Note - im not saying you dont have problems Wassa a blind man can see that you do, some players like the ones you have mentioned have been awful mate but Salah is one of those, no player (or manager) is bigger than the club and any gripes you have should be sorted behind closed doors...thats the Liverpool way..

07 Dec 2025 07:20:53
I agree with you Ed. Regardless of the player you can't do that. Smacks of either pure stupidity, not caring what will happen or genuinely thinking he is bigger than the club, which again would either be stupid or naive.

{Ed025's Note - the thing is Westwood he says the club gave him assurances...what exactly were these assurances mate?..that he could give away the ball all the time, blaze the ball over the bar when other team mates were in a better position or that he doesn,t have to track back?, dont get me wrong hes not the only problem but he has done nothing to suggest he deserves a starting place to me, and then he goes public!!, do me a favour Mo...get out of your own arse..

07 Dec 2025 07:52:40
Yeh . for me slah should have stayed quiet .

You can't go public like that. He deserves to be dropped . not saying he deserves to be sold or pushed out. but definately dropped.

This is no longer a bad blip in form. This is terminal.

Get the axe sharpened and start welding it.

07 Dec 2025 09:01:42
He hasn’t gone sh*t in 15 games or lost his legs in that time.

we are grown men we can see a lot of players are not doing it the common denominator is change of tack and style and if we can see it and half see the solution why can’t the man in charge? We’ve heard rumours of Hughes overriding slot ( think it was regards frimpong) so who’s in charge? Is slot having a sulk because he not getting what he wants? The football was boring last season but not on this level and it’s not down to the players that left because at stages this season there has been a team put out that only had 1 change from last year ( Ekitike for Nunez)

07 Dec 2025 02:10:50
Personally I thought giving Salah a contract was a mistake. He was never going to replicate last season's form and should have been allowed to leave. Especially given we have a number of players who can play on that side, who do also put the work in defensively and would also play more like the orthodox winger that we clearly need for Hugo/ isak

But Salah crying in the press is something the club shouldn't tolerate, a distinct lack of respect to the club that just gifted him a contract which he's currently not earning at all. I'm not a big slot fan either but it's not a players job to slate the manager in the press, its literally bad for everyone involved.

Pick a Liverpool manager from the past and none would put up with it except maybe Roy or Brenda. Salah should be reminded he plays for the club, not the other way around.

07 Dec 2025 04:15:11
You won't be saying that when the 100m comes in for him,

07 Dec 2025 04:45:40
And pick any manager from the past, none would have treated Salah the way Slot is right now. And none would have put Salah in a position where he actually needed to go into an interview and say what he said. Maybe the way he went about it was wrong, but what he said wasn’t. He IS being made to look like a scapegoat for our poor form. There are other players who have played just as badly, or even worse, but they keep getting picked week in, week out.

Konate is an accident waiting to happen every game, but he keeps getting picked. Macca is another one. Isak gets picked even when he’s not fit, over an in-form Ekitike. How many times has Chiesa saved us this season, yet Gakpo keeps getting picked ahead of him? Liverpool is in a mess, but it’s not because of this Salah interview.

{Ed025's Note - dont try and defend the indefensible Mfahmee, he has been a great player yes but you have to earn your place mate and Mo has not lately, nobody is bigger than the club and for me Salah is being a complete prick by going public the way he has, well thats my view anyway..

07 Dec 2025 06:22:13
Funny how everyone now is saying Salah shouldn’t have got a new contract when in January and everyone was rubbishting a brick that he would leave. I guess hindsight makes geniuses out of all of us.

07 Dec 2025 07:27:08
And what about of Konate Ed? What has he done this season to earn his place in the team week in, week out? He has been a disaster, more so than Salah, but keeps getting picked anyway. What about Macca, VVD and Gakpo etc.? If in my office my boss kept picking this one colleague even though he kept making mistakes, I would be pissed too.

His point is about him being made to look like a scapegoat for this Liverpool poor form, and it is true. And when he said the 'club' threw him under the bus, I think he meant the likes of Hughes and Slot etc, not the entire club itself. He's been at the club for 8 years, Ed, how many times has he done something like this? Calling him a complete prick is a bit excessive, don't you think?

{Ed025's Note - a lot of them have been terrible Mfahmee and that includes Salah mate..and the manager, but what you dont do is go Public to the press and throw the manager under the bus, and for that he is being a prick imo..

07 Dec 2025 07:42:34
Whether we agree with the choices he makes or not, the manager always, always has the right to bench a player if he thinks it gives him a better chance of winning a football game. Surely as a professional football player you accept this.

I love Mo as much as anybody on this site but what he did was bang out of order, it only brings more negativity to our club by airing dirty laundry in public, how is coming out and saying what he said going to help the team that he supposedly loves? He is effectively giving the club an ultimatum saying they have to choose between him and the manager.

Some of you hate Slot so much that you're going to defend Mo doing something like this just because it increases the likelihood that Slot will be forced out. For me that's not at all my concern, my concern is my club being dragged in the mud because of this sort of nonsense.

For so long we have been a club that has been built upon togetherness, trust and camaraderie, Mo is perfectly within his rights to feel hard done by being benched three games in a row, he's perfectly within his rights to feel like his relationship with Slot has collapsed, but to do what he did at a time like this, it's not in keeping with the standards, ethos and culture of our beloved club.

I don't know what to say beyond that, and I don't agree with people taking sides between Slot and Salah, for me the whole situation just makes me very sad to be a Liverpool fan more than anything.

{Ed025's Note - spot on PB..

07 Dec 2025 08:42:21
For what its worth, here's my take on it. The modern premier player (like Mo) have completely lost touch with reality. And as such, they lack humility.
Instead of helping his team-mates, encouraging them, and utilising all of that experience he speaks of; he makes it all about (poor) Mo.


With reflection, how could it be any other way? They all live in a bubble, detached from the price of spuds.

07 Dec 2025 09:26:46
Morning all/ Ed025. I apologise for repeating what I said last night; Salah was bang out of order! Ed01 questioned me on it, which he and everyone else has every right to do. You and I are very much on the same page Ed025. We were in an absolute mess before he came out with his whingeing, he has now added to it.

He has been a great player, of that there is no doubt, but in doing what he's done has left a sour taste. King Kenny and John Barnes would never have done such a thing and despite Salah's record, he will never sit with those 2, in my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - for me he has tainted his legacy Rome, the club could have cashed in on him last year for £squillions mate but they gave him a contract on obscene wages even at the age of 32...now thats loyalty, i hope he goes now..

07 Dec 2025 11:29:24
As for Salahs interview, people don't know what's been said behind closed doors. th3y might have said if u stay you don't have to track back etc etc you will start every game maybe that's what they said to him for him to stay. who knows eh.

07 Dec 2025 01:22:15
I’m in the know, I’m in the know. I said Salah was going to bench slot today and it happened.

07 Dec 2025 02:37:19
Im in the know too. I know we are garbage at the minute!

07 Dec 2025 04:15:05
So you’re saying Slot was never going to start today, well done mate.

07 Dec 2025 08:30:31
Cheers Ron.

07 Dec 2025 00:40:18
According to a few websites I've looked at Iraola is sat on under 2m per year in wages meaning we'd not have to pay much to get him out of the club. He's stated he's ambitious and wants a bigger club.

Even Carragher said on the Overlap the other day he thinks he's the next big one to make a jump. Style is very similar to ours. I'd be making contact and bringing him in.

07 Dec 2025 02:34:12
Not sure we want a manager whose style is very similar to ours.

07 Dec 2025 04:16:06
Style is very similar to ours? Does he play limp, supermarket music and train rondo's endlessly?

07 Dec 2025 00:26:39
Fully expect Brighton to beat us at home next week too.
VVD and Konate are both liabilities along with Macca in the middle, and Bradley at RB.

07 Dec 2025 02:25:54
We looked ok til macca came on? And Bradley wasn’t on the pitch for any of the goals.

07 Dec 2025 05:55:29
The real liability is slot.

07 Dec 2025 09:26:15
The real one is Richard Hughes.

07 Dec 2025 00:23:35
The results are absolutely unacceptable. All involved are worthy of criticism. But I think what’s worst of all right now is the poisonous atmosphere within the club. The conflicts and divisions have to end. Unity is strength. Everyone—the players, the coaches, the staff, the supporters—must remember that.

07 Dec 2025 01:42:15
Agree totally, start of the season it was the players, now its the manager, tonight to some its Mo. other teams fans must be laughing their heads off at us.

07 Dec 2025 00:19:01
Leeds fans singing about Yorkshire Police was a disgrace, this should be reviewed by the authorities.
Salah is trying to push Slot out with that interview, he is creating divide and let’s be honest, there is clearly a disconnect between the manager and the players, time to go Arne, thanks for last season but your way out of your depth.


Don’t want Iraola though, we are in the 💩 deep.

07 Dec 2025 00:43:26
I know that this is not possible, or I'm led to believe, but IMO I would move all and every obstacle and employ Jurgen until June. We're in a very bad place and only a welcoming and iconic figurehead could restore some much needed morale and courage.

BOTH parties are fully aware of what they are getting. In the interim find the next needle. Over to you LFC.

07 Dec 2025 01:08:39
Who comes in then Hughes? Only top manager that would be interested that Carra mentioned was Inzaghi. None of the top ones would come now. Iraola is the obvious choice. Fits everything the club wants and warrants a chance at a top club.

07 Dec 2025 01:43:52
Agreed on the Leeds chants. Disagree on Salah. This is his response to being a bit sh*t for the last few months? Really? Nope, not good enough for £400k per week. Time for him to leave.

07 Dec 2025 02:08:48
Divide between players and Slot, so Slot has to go? How about we don’t make assumptions on who is the wrong?

Maybe they’re all in the wrong and this is a revelation of what the team, coaches and players have been dealing with in the background.

07 Dec 2025 02:09:54
Salah should be out the door first imo.

07 Dec 2025 00:15:53
I’m glad Mo has come out and started the ball rolling. It’s not very Liverpool like but I’m glad he has. I’m getting Rodgers vibes from slot. He seems to have an answer for everything but no solution. He really has scapegoated certain players I’ve read tonight he supposed to have said konate is always at the scene of the crime? that's not very Liverpool like either. It doesn’t seem he got any skills in man management either. He has undone all the great work klopp done in building his 2.0 team. The difference between a world class manager and low level coach and dof.

I think Hughes will be covering his arse now and sharpening his knife someone will be going. I would never really back a player against the manager but in this case I do. Mo’s done it all worked with some of the best coaches he knows the score. His legs haven’t gone stupid tactics he’s been stifled as has the team this year, even tonight the refusal to cross the ball into the box and then pass it backwards was mind blowing. I think alladice would get a better tune out of us than slot.

07 Dec 2025 00:35:01
Salah is a goner.

07 Dec 2025 00:44:46
Spot on with all of that, mate. We're in a real rocky period right now but things will come good eventually, we just have to wait. The sooner we see the back of Slot the better.

The players clearly aren't happy, we need them to be the unit we know they can be again and push forward but under Slot? it's not going to happen. Delaying it just means we will continue to grind out sh*t results.

I dread to think where we’ll be by January if he’s still in charge.

07 Dec 2025 01:45:18
Nope, Mo needs to be acting like the adult here rather than like a baby,