Liverpool Banter Archive November 21 2017

21 Nov 2017 23:29:43
Tonight is a very good result with qualification pretty much in the bag just need to top the group.

22 Nov 2017 01:04:00
Oh dear.

22 Nov 2017 01:06:31
WTF happened! The winning team of 2005 would never have let a three goal lead slip away. We were excellent at protecting a lead. At half time I was praising the boys. I don't think it should have been a penalty tbf, We don't have enough steel in our team, iv'e said it before and it is true, Hendo and gini have a go, but neither is strong enough though. It is a shame Emre is leaving coz he is the sort of player we need. Offer him the world, he is a great player and we should keep him. I suppose a draw is cool, I would have taken that before the game but 3 0! Lasty season Mane would have buried that volley! Firmino was class, he is SO good, people who doubt him know f**k all about football, he stitches the attack together, his deft touches light up the stadium. He is scoring plenty, well on course for 20+.

22 Nov 2017 01:34:36
Agreed, a good result that most fans would have taken before kick off. Unfortunately the way it played out feels like a defeat but there is a reason why Sevilla are unbeaten at home for a year.

22 Nov 2017 06:19:55
Mightyyou keep telling us how utd will get puls post mourinho frankly may be it liverpool who need him more because klopp clearly understands as much about defending as you do about football which for both of you is not much.

22 Nov 2017 10:33:38
Firmino was a big part of the problem yesterday. In the second half he never once held the ball up. The ball just kept coming back for the full 48 minutes. I don't blame him as much as klopp. Anyone could see we needed a change of system and Firminho should have been replaced he was walking in the last 20 minutes.

Firminho runs around so much that is his only one way of playing, he is another that doesn't think and can't manage a game. Football is not all about charging around 100mph. let's get 10 men behind the ball, move side to side and let Mane and Salah take turns going further forward.

21 Nov 2017 21:04:13
Ideas for ed001s and bennys podcast.

1:The rise of salah.
2:the continuing Coutinho debacle
3:The improvement of Moreno- should he stay or should he go? (He just gave away a pen as I typed that lol)
4:goalkeeper situation
5:VVD- would you still go for him?
6: this seasons form so far.
7: has our defence turned a corner?

21 Nov 2017 21:43:49
I think number 7 can be answered quite easily after that.

21 Nov 2017 21:55:28
Number 3 is quite easy too. Bye.

21 Nov 2017 22:00:09
Agree Moreno iis certainly not the quality to take us to the next level. On today’s Performance he is the worse left back I have seen in red shirt.

21 Nov 2017 22:04:24
Djimi Traore has moved up a level.

21 Nov 2017 22:10:52
both klavan and gomez got lucky in the first half, but 2nd half moreno single handedly gave the game away.

21 Nov 2017 22:20:02
Can't pin it all on Moreno. He was the worst of a bad bunch but we were 3-2 up when he left the pitch.

21 Nov 2017 22:21:21
Ditch Moreno now. or KLOPP will be getting ditched.
No more backing them to the hilt. KLOPP is paid to make decisions.
No more mr. nice guy. get ruthless.

21 Nov 2017 22:22:59
Moreno completely gave the Win away. I blame Klopp for praising him, he doesn't deserve praise for not making mistakes. You can't praise something that Should be happening anyway. Not as if he's been Good at any point, he's just been 'not as rubbish as normal'. Back to his old ways now.
Robertsons chance surely.

21 Nov 2017 22:26:30
You all seem to avoid the elephant in the room. I blame the captain. He don't lead by example and he is to blame for not rallying the troops. Could see the team lacked leadership. can't just blame moreno.

21 Nov 2017 22:40:53
Moreno arguably man of the match on Saturday, baby born pre match, returns to play against his previous club and yes he has a mare ( as he did last time we played them) perhaps Klopp should have rested him, he looked to me that he was trying too hard and lost his head and reverted to previous over keen challenges.
The lad has made big strides forward this season don't hang him on one bad performance.

21 Nov 2017 22:52:36
Ok it's disappointing tonight but Moreno has done well most of season an most of us would of took a point before the game, this is were we will see how much Moreno has improved cos next game Chelsea an if he ain't on it we will get punished, we need a danger sniffing defence minded leader in mid field for me Henderson jus isn't that, bottom line is we ain't a very experienced team in champions league an it has told all campaign silly draws when we should b winning, hope klopp isn't shy in January window.

21 Nov 2017 22:53:12
It didn’t take long for you guys to come out of the woodwork did it?

21 Nov 2017 22:28:51
Moreno had one bad game, doesn't deserve to leave the club because of it.

21 Nov 2017 23:40:42
Actually MK I think you can blame the draw on Moreno completely, the first 2 goals where all his fault and getting them 2 goals gave Seville the belief they could grab a third.
I don’t want to knock the lad completely I even wrote a post about him the other day praising his hard work and massive improvement recently, I did point out then though he still has his flaws and that’s been showcased tonight, he’s still really rash and can’t defend to save his life, he’s learned when to attack and when to defend and his positioning is arguably better but he’s still not learned how to actually defend.
Jury is still very much out for me, before tonight I didn’t think he was a long term option but someone who will do for now and I still think that even after that horror show, I just worry teams are going to see him as a weakness and target him in matches and try and force him into mistakes.

22 Nov 2017 00:00:59
It's a bit of a poisoned chalice the left back position I hope Robertson gets a chance so we can at least all judge how good he is, it's horrible hindsight but maybe milner would of been better as the old demons against his old club were brought out in Moreno, milner is experienced an steady as shown last year an used in moderation would b very useful, Gomez has too go in the middle for me if matip injured.

22 Nov 2017 06:38:28
The hate for Moreno is way too much after that game. The first goal was entirely his fault but the referee was coerced imto giving that penalty, very soft indeed. As for the 3rd goal, failure to get the ball out of the box had nothing to do with Moreno and ultimately was the goal that cost us because players switched off at a vital time.

21 Nov 2017 19:30:11
Hello Eds and Reds,
Hypothetically, which player would you like to sign for free now if you were LFC's manager?

{Ed0333's Note - Did no one ever tell you there’s nothing free in this world mate?

21 Nov 2017 19:58:18
Air 😬.

21 Nov 2017 20:25:46
if Liverpool win the champions league then Coutinio stays.

There is talk of Ozil and I wo2uld be well happy with that.

21 Nov 2017 20:31:29
nolito looks a good player and banega but Liverpool have took Seville back to school. What a performance.

Moreno = solid against his old team, not like the uefa cup final.

Lovre n and klavan have been pretty solid and karius's save should get him in the no1 shirt. much better keeper than migs. I think we have a great little keeper, no need to look elsewhere.

{Ed0333's Note - can’t argue with any of that

21 Nov 2017 20:39:40
Klavan should be our permanent keeper. great performance so far. he looks relaxed too.

Gomes, Lovren, Klavan and Moreno have been awesome.

Hendo has organised that midfielf to perfection. Wjinaldum and Couts have been working their socks off.

Our attack needs no introduction, Mane, Firmino and Salah must scare the s**t out of defences, especially defences that lack speed.

Liverpool have [played the perfect away game. Lovren looks great, since he won player of the month he has been brilliant. he is repaying our faith in him. If you voted then I believe you have really helped LFC

1 goal in the last five games, m how is our defence still getting slagged off? its just easy to slate Moreno or lovren but theyt have been fantastic this month.

21 Nov 2017 20:47:47
Karius has to be first choice now. Looks relaxed and confident and the defenders clearly have more faith in him than Migs. Klopp needs to be decisive and show Migs the door.
LOvren doing very well too. Kudos to him for stepping up against all odds.

21 Nov 2017 20:48:33
Cheers Ed033, Seville are a clever team. with no pace they have to be clever but Liverpool have been strong in their defenceive headers and I have noticed our tactics are different to how we normally defend. It reminds me of Hypia and Henchoz, just hoofing the ball away, for Owen to get on the end of. I like that. if the ball is in the opposition half then they can't score. Normally we try to get it down and play out but the boys are taking no chances. What a CB we have in Gomes, that lad is going to be massive. Trust.

Watching football must be bad for my blood pressure, but being 3 0 up let's me relax a little.

{Ed0333's Note - the caveat is if Sevilla didn’t spurn their chances it could be a different situation. I won’t pour kudos over the defense until they perform on a consistent basis. But props to the players and the coaching staff they have identified a problem and worked hard on rectifying some of the mistakes.

21 Nov 2017 21:17:24
This is worrying but io think we will weather the storm. They still need three goals to win the game. if we draw we are still top of the lerague.

21 Nov 2017 20:51:19
Klavan looks better than Matip atm. I tghink maybe that matip was the problem at the back, so lax in his defending, so slow and slap dash.

21 Nov 2017 20:53:40
Toattaly agree.

21 Nov 2017 21:47:01
Sevilla should have two in the first half courtesy of our defence. I said on here today we would see how the defence shapes up tonight.

There’s the answer.

21 Nov 2017 21:56:50
Moreno looks solid? I must have missed that.

21 Nov 2017 22:40:58
This is a classic case of premature congratulation. 😄

Moreno really mugged the OP off in the second half.

21 Nov 2017 16:54:04
good win for Liverpool u19s against Seville u19s 4.0 rhian Brewster on the scoresheet again hope the first team get the same kind of result.

21 Nov 2017 15:06:36
Ed in light of .................

{Ed002's Note - Try the Everton page.}

21 Nov 2017 15:31:35
This surely affects all clubs.

{Ed002's Note - Actually no. When you get to the Everton page wou will see it is a conspiracy against them.}

21 Nov 2017 18:24:48
ED02 you keep saying we say it's a conspiracy against us yet your the only one saying that we are saying that it should be dealt with fairly as I said Chris Powell is on the commitee and he said if a player is touched no matter how small that touch is you can't say he dived as has already happened at least 3 times this season with other teams so can you stop saying we are saying it's a conspiracy as no one has said that.

{Ed002's Note - That is all you are bleating on about - it is getting to be real laughing stock stuff from a Merseyside team yet again. It truly is ridiculous.}

21 Nov 2017 18:29:40
Ed002 has the Bitters number! 😂.

21 Nov 2017 14:04:34
Mesut Özil has just liked Loris Karius post "Champions League" on social media!

Looks like our Coutinho replacement is coming from North London. £40m +£1 should seal the deal 😂

Just to clarify, I'm joking.

21 Nov 2017 14:30:16
Appreciate the joke element MK, personally what is your opinion on the player (Ozil) I don't rate him personally I think you only get one game in 10 where he shows any class, the rest he is a passenger.

Cheers.

21 Nov 2017 14:46:09
Hi JC23. World class talent. Average application.

He was insane at Real Madrid and for Germany. Unfortunately his attitude at Arsenal has been poor. You get the impression he didn't really want to leave Real Madrid and is fed up of not competing for trophies under Wenger.

On his day, he can win a game single handedly. His vision, first touch, passing range and technical ability is as good as anyone's in world football. He is never going to be the sort to chase every lost cause and make crunching tackles, but he showed against Spurs that he can put in a shift when he feels like it. Which is what makes him so frustrating as a player.

He still has another 10 years in him at the top of the game though. He doesn't really rely on any physical attributes and has never struggled with injury. So he has time still to retire as a modern footballing great. He just needs to pull his finger out!

21 Nov 2017 14:51:11
Klopp might get him back to his best.

21 Nov 2017 15:26:07
Fair assessment MK wouldn't suit our style of play RedEka.

Looking forward to Lallanas return this evening!

21 Nov 2017 15:28:49
MK summed him up perfectly. "World class talent, average application" I would be very excited if we signed Ozil because there is a winner in there somewhere and I agree with Redeka that Klopp could get the best out of him. In fact, Klopp is probably the best man to coach Ozil. Would he come to Liverpool? if we pip arsenal to top four again then it is possible. Coutinio isn't gone yet though and he still has years on his contract. Other players could shine in the world cup and Barcelona may look elsewhere. I doubt it but like I say, he is still a Liverpool player. I know people have a bit of a downer on Lanzini but it is almost impossible to replace coutinio. Lanzini would be excellent in our team imo.

21 Nov 2017 15:35:54
I agree with you MK. I first took notice during the 2010 WC, that was when he was still at Bremen. Such a shame that he’s getting all the abuse now, since like you said on his day, he’s a game changer.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is that the media have an agenda and they have decided he is lazy and only mention things that go along with that. When he tracks back 50 yards to stop a quick counter, the commentator always neglects to mention his name. He is far from lazy, he does not have a problem with his application, he has a problem with the way he is viewed in the media and the way he moves. Ozil is one of the most underrated players in the game.}

21 Nov 2017 16:08:50
There is definitely a blinkered view from the media Ed001. I do think his application is average though. Defensively, he does what you expect of an attacking midfielder. I wouldn't call him lazy as such and his work rate is only scrutinised because of his overall application.

Application for me entails a few things; effort, attitude, consistency, body language, bravery etc.

The reason i say his application is average is because he puts in the expected amount of effort (no more, no less), his attitude seems poor, he is a bit inconsistent, his body language is awful which will undoubtedly affect the way his team mates view him, and he seems to go missing more often than not in the big games nowadays.

If I had Ozil standing still looking stroppy, or Sanchez buzzing about demanding the ball, i know who I'd pass it too.

His defensive work rate is very harshly scrutinised, but it is because of his overall application. Even if he just smiled once in a while or visibly showed for the ball a bit more often, that would help massively with how he is perceived.

With the ability he has, he should be winning games for Arsenal regularly. Like you say though, he does actually work for the team (people underestimate how much movement is required to constantly be in space for a pass, for a start) .

I'm not sure I'd say he doesn't suit Liverpool's style of play though. He's very similar to Lemar in my opinion. Looks for a pass first and a shot second, great passing, good vision, good crossing, excellent skill and technique, Neither player is particularly fast etc. I think Ozil feeding Salah, Firmino and Mane would be dynamite if Ozil found some consistency from somewhere. There is no interest though so that is wholly hypothetical.

{Ed001's Note - like I said, the way he moves is a problem as people misconstrue his movement as being poor body language etc. I fully agree he is not very brave, but he puts in a lot more effort than he is ever given credit for. Everyone just jumps on him because he looks like he is miserable but he is not. Ozil plays for fun and loves to play, he just doesn't have a face that looks happy.}

21 Nov 2017 16:57:22
Sounds a bit like VVD to me, the way he moves around people construe as he’s just strolling through games, once that gets into people’s consciousness they are unable to see beyond it.

{Ed001's Note - whereas I think VVD does stroll through games and that has always been his way. Look at our second goal at the weekend, he had just wandered off, completely out of position.}

21 Nov 2017 17:08:00
Well said Ed01. I posted earlier how i would be pleased if we signed Ozil, i think klopp could get the best out of him.

21 Nov 2017 17:21:08
Whilst I agree with you that he was out of position if you watch the goal you see that just before he makes a tackle on Firmino, Firmino then drops off so VVD tries to stay with him, this creates the space for Salah to run into but it’s Hoedt who lazily fails to track Salah.

{Ed001's Note - Hoedt is slow, but that is just because he lacks pace, the mistake was purely VVD's for being out of position. A good defender makes the challenge then drops back, a crap defender like VVD makes the challenge then chases after the ball like a 5 year old child. Glen Johnson does exactly the same thing, lazy mental attitude with no intent to do what is best, just getting fixated on one thing.}

21 Nov 2017 17:31:01
Haha what you guys are describing is Resting Bumface syndrome (y'all already know what bum is a replacement for), Kawhi Leonard of San Antonio Spurs also has this face, his face literally says ehh I'll do it tomorrow and seeing Kawhi smile is like ED1 saying something nice about Mignolet.

21 Nov 2017 17:50:25
As much as vvd went walkabouts, what a ridiculously good pass by coutinho. Romeu was baffled by it.

21 Nov 2017 18:12:00
Well I think VVD is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. If he stays deep Firmino has acres of space 20 yards from goal. I still don’t think it changes the fact that Salah has run off both Bertrand and Hoedt. The fact that Coutinho has so much time to pick that pass is also poor.

{Ed001's Note - how can you say that when they have 2 deep lying midfielders to deal with exactly that situation? VVD was solely at fault, it was a terrible decision by a poor defender.}

21 Nov 2017 18:21:24
Sounds a bit like balotelli.

21 Nov 2017 18:39:24
It think we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

{Ed001's Note - we can agree to disagree but you will still be wrong. If you want to ask their manager, he will tell you that VVD should have stayed deep in the system he plays and allowed the midfielders to deal with it. There should never have been a gap like that in the middle because the centre backs are instructed not to be drawn out and to pass players dropping off onto the two holding midfielders. I get that you want to make excuses for VVD for some unknown reason, but he was 100% wrong to do what he did in the system they play.}

21 Nov 2017 18:54:51
I don’t have an unknown reason to make excuses for VVD, I’d like to see him in a Liverpool shirt but it doesn’t really matter to me either way, it’s just that we have different opinions, that’s part of what makes football great, everyone has a different opinion. I respect your opinion, I’d like to think you respect mine.

{Ed0333's Note - Don’t hold your breath Smeg mate.

21 Nov 2017 19:07:56
It’s not like he came out to win the ball even. he was in no man’s land, crouched down doing some strange war dance. I agree with Ed001, you can bet your bottom dollar that his job was to stay as close to his defensive partner as possible and behind the 2 defensive midfield players. He showed a total lack of discipline by stepping out trying to win the ball in the midfield position. that’s not the type of defender we need in my opinion (we have a couple already), we need a leader to dominate our defence, who’s there to defend first and foremost. a no nonsense centre half, not someone who goes wandering and switches off mentally.

22 Nov 2017 03:27:25
Part of the issue with Ozil being regarded as lazy is that fans don't see the number of times he presents himself as an option for a pass only for it to be ignored. He gets into some great positions but for some reason, the midfield don't see him. Maybe he needs to be like Sanchez and get stuck into them for not doing so.

21 Nov 2017 13:18:19
I think today is the 65th Anniversary when Ronnie Moran made his debut against Derby County. Played with the likes of Billy Liddell and Paisley, fantastic servant to the club.

21 Nov 2017 15:30:49
Moran = LEGEND.

21 Nov 2017 11:17:48
Hi Ed001, I know you've been really busy recently with the articles you've been writing up (excellent work by the way) but I miss your podcasts with Benny, are we going to get another one soon? I nominate MKscouser as a special guest as well.

{Ed001's Note - I hope so mate, depends on Benny, I am always happy to do them. They are a lot of fun to do.}

21 Nov 2017 13:00:53
They couldn't afford me Mikey 😉😂.

21 Nov 2017 13:26:09
I second that request pretty please. Also can u add Harry to the panel as he was the star of the show when he did the last one.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure I speak for Benny when I say we would love to get him back on the podcast.}

21 Nov 2017 13:37:30
Excellent news I really am more excited for this than Xmas. I hope this comes off. Thanks for all the hard work and look forward to many more good reads.

{Ed001's Note - you just want to hear Harry again!}

21 Nov 2017 14:10:30
Harry is great and I like his comments and how he puts them across.

21 Nov 2017 14:53:08
Don’t let fame get to your head Adam, you will be on next years I’m a celeb eating crocodile vagina if your not careful 😂.

{Ed001's Note - don't get his hopes up.}

21 Nov 2017 15:03:16
I'd go in the jungle no bother. Only thing I'm scared of is losing Harry.

21 Nov 2017 16:50:08
If posters come up with some suggestions they want discussed, we can record at the end of the week.

{Ed001's Note - ok mate.}

21 Nov 2017 17:15:05
Please get Harry involved! e.

21 Nov 2017 10:37:12
Ed001, be interested to hear your thoughts on Graeme Potter. What he has done in Sweden is nothing short of a miracle, and he's done it largely by rescuing players dumped from academies, and by building a relationship with local supporters.

It's a great story, maybe worth an article?

{Ed001's Note - good idea, I have actually thought a few times that it might be worth doing one on it. I just hope he doesn't take a job like West Brom in the meantime!}

21 Nov 2017 10:49:49
Cheers Ed. Look forward to it. A few of the major news outlets have done a write up, but none of them have done it justice. They're lacking the detailed research which you put in.

{Ed001's Note - very few of the news outlets bother doing much. I was doing research for a quick podcast on the YouTube channel about the Pele Pact. The first 40 articles I read on it copied off the original article I found on it from the LA Times. I mean literally just copied and pasted large swathes of it or slightly altered a word here and there. It is shocking that so many sites think that is acceptable.}

21 Nov 2017 12:59:31
It's so annoying Ed. I am trying to write an article on Craig Bellamy but everything is just copied and pasted from Wikipedia.

I've read extracts of his book to try and help but don't really want my article to just be a cross over of Wikipedia and his book!

I haven't touched it for a week now because it was annoying me too much! Haha. I don't know how you have the patience to do such good legend write ups!

{Ed001's Note - it takes a lot of patience to find stuff. A lot of what I do is try googling certain aspects of their life, any stories you have heard etc, to try and find something different. Like you can google the charity he set up etc and they will usually have a little titbit or two in the articles on that which are not sourced from Wiki. I would also ask around about them, such as Bellers I know a few people who know him well, a couple of lads who went to school with him etc. I would ask them for anything they remember about them.}

21 Nov 2017 13:45:34
Cheers Ed. Seems like good advice! I do know one story from a guy i used to work with who grew up in Newcastle. He met Bellers and Jenas out clubbing and the story was rather shocking. I won't elaborate here though, I'll put it in the article!

{Ed001's Note - nice one mate, that's exactly the way to do it.}

21 Nov 2017 15:47:47
fair play lads, getting into your writing. Research can be long, but I actually enjoy it. When I write essays for my degree, I have to give reference, in text, to where I got the information from. At the end of the essay I have a bibliography, where I list, in more detail, the sources. You don't always see it in journalistic article but you do sometimes, more in the broadsheets. We are also told not to use words like "Don't", instead say "do not". Or haven't would be have not of course. It is weird, it makes your work sound much more professional when you read it back.

Keep up the good work lads, you always hit the nail on the head.

{Ed002's Note - The problem with producing notes and a bibliography in journalism is that the item immediately becomes unreadable to most. It is not being produced as a standard or academic text but simply a disposable snapshot in time. If you look at the decent end of the press you will find they take the approach of writing in an inverted pyramid that supports editing of the less important detail from the bottom up. If you look at the other end of the spectrum it is a surprise to see how some can string a sentence together at all.

Did they not mention anything about avoiding cliches?}

21 Nov 2017 17:20:04
Yeah, sort of Ed. It has to be your own thoughts but you can't be subjective, your views must be objective with evidence to support your ideas. Of course you're right, if an article was full of in text references, it would be pretty unreadable. I guess with journalism it's about gripping the reader and supplying facts and figures at the same time.

I'm leaning more towards literature, i would love to write a novel. I have written loads of short stories but never sent them anywhere. I'm working on a story about this guy, who is up to his eyeballs in debt, his mrs is a nightmare and he goes fishing a lot. anyway, way our there is an island that doesn't get covered at high tide and he decides to build a cabin on the island and live their, it's about a man shedding his skin basically and going back to basics, he learns a lot about himself and comes back a different man. Loads of things happen on the island and he even gets visitors.

{Ed002's Note - I vaguely recall my college days.}

21 Nov 2017 00:57:53
Football has changed people, no longer are the players in control I. e forcing transfers. Due to the massive figures that tv pays prem clubs it now allows pretty much every prem club to say no to any players trying to force transfers unless there is release clauses involved. This is how it will be for the foreseeable future and expect more clubs to take that stance (Southampton and LFC) and as for anyone who thinks selling coutinho would be the right thing clearly you mustn’t know much about football because if you haven’t noticed he was our best player over the last 2-3 seasons and selling your best players In most cases makes the team weaker. Great site btw edds keep up good work!

21 Nov 2017 06:18:21
We do alright without him and would have over £100m to improve the squad. He wants barca, let him go.

21 Nov 2017 07:02:05
100 mil may sound like a lot but when we're looking at a figure similar that to buy a replacement (rumoured 9 figure fee for Lemar) it's a bit irrelevant.

Let him go if he's no longer good for the team (which isn't the case yet) but don't think too much about the fee.

21 Nov 2017 07:53:32
There is no greater time than now to be investing in the youth. This money madness can't possibly keep rising. Could it?

21 Nov 2017 09:54:17
The notion of keeping an unhappy player at the club is silly. It will disrupt the dressing room and be detrimental to all future signings.

21 Nov 2017 10:06:12
Players still do have all the power, Coutinho moving to Barcelona was postponed rather than cancelled, VVD will likely move as well shortly. Clubs can only say no for so long as having an unhappy player on the books is no good for anybody.

21 Nov 2017 13:28:57
I don't care who our best player was last season or the season before. Coutinho has not been our best player this season, by a distance.

A player who doesn't want to be at the club he's playing for will not play at the best of his ability. So why would we keep him when we can get players who want to play for us?

I don't understand this fawning over Coutinho. So he was great for 2 seasons. so what? He's not great at the moment (bar 1 good game vs Soton, after feigning injury) .

Would you pick Sturridge because he scored 24 goals in 13/ 14? No, because he's not the best pick for our team.

If he wants to go let him go, I want players who want to play for Liverpool and will give their all doing it.

Like Ed002 always says, players are just transient employees of the club, they come and go.