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07 Nov 2018 14:55:36
About the 2nd goal, would you say it was a collective failure to deal with it? I looked back at the slow-mo replay and it seemed like there was a sequence of things gone wrong:

1. Robbo moved infield when Milner was under pressure; should he have stayed back and offer a passing option back? I know you mentioned Robbo had a tendency to move in.

2. Gini moved to the striker’s left hand side in attempting to tackle; should he have moved to his right side (goal side) instead or was he expecting that either of our centre backs would press up and block the striker from the right?

3. Following from that, should either of our cbs have pushed up instead of dropping off? I know you mentioned in the past, lovren tend to rush and push up and leave gaps, but couldn’t help notice that both matip and vvd just stood off and left the striker with acres of space.

4. Lastly, Alisson; was there anything he could have done? My thinking is he might have expected the striker to curl it to his (Alisson's) left?

I’m not looking to bash our players or anything, but just want to know others' thoughts.

Azk

1.) 07 Nov 2018 15:57:15
milner shouldn't of given it away, Gini should of done miles better, the centre-backs should've been far more aware of the danger, and Alisson will likely feel he should've done more. It was a collective failure, as was the entire night.


2.) 07 Nov 2018 19:48:48
OP, Ed01 has addressed this point in his match review.

{Ed001's Note - I actually forgot about this. It was dreadful play by Gini, who only had to get goal side and it doesn't happen. I was screaming at him as well, but he wasn't bloody listening!}


3.) 07 Nov 2018 20:02:04
Gini should have brought the guy down when he realised he was on the wrong side, they would have been no threat from that position. We are not savvi enough, Kante would have taken one for the team. Too soft.

{Ed001's Note - he didn't need to bring him down, he had plenty of time to get goalside, he just lacks the intelligence to think of it and continued to try and make a challenge from the wrong side for far too long.}


4.) 07 Nov 2018 20:11:53
But when he realized that he wasnt going to get back goalside he should have brought him down, just take the card. It was a massive turning point in the game, an experience midfielder would have taken one for the team. Your right about the intelligence, he should never of let himself be in that position, but he did so he should have taken him down.

{Ed001's Note - no he should not have. He never made the attempt to get goalside, that is why he never got goalside. There was absolutely no need to give away a foul. It was all on his mistake in not knowing how to do the basics of defending. He is solely at fault on that goal. It was a dreadful piece of play and there was absolutely no need to give away a foul in a dangerous area, just get goalside and it doesn't happen.}


5.) 07 Nov 2018 20:44:07
Totally agree with everything you say, however if he had brought him down we would probably have still have been at 1 nil. they were never a threat from a free kick. The basics of defending is is to stop the opposition from scoring, as I said when he realized he ****ed up he should have brought him down. I know I would have and did so on many occasions. The old 70s term professional foul come to mind. Phil Thompson 1978 V Forrest, ah another bad memory.

{Ed001's Note - they scored from a dead ball, our defence was terrible last night, they were not attacking the ball, we could not afford to give away dead balls. And it was not until Gini stumbled that he put himself in a position where he could not still have ample time to get goalside and then it was too late. I do agree with what you are saying in a lot of situations, but not that one. Wijnaldum needs his arse kicked round the room for that amateur hour play. Every player should know the basics and the first basic of defending is get goalside. It is not rocket science and there is never an excuse for getting the basics wrong.}


6.) 07 Nov 2018 22:13:25
Gini should b frigging in a more advanced role he shouldn't have too b playing as a number 6, we bought fabihno for that role but there is no trust in him as he adapting, if we playing 3 in the middle we should have a proper defensive mid behind too centre mids one attacking one box too box not playing attacking mids as defensive midfielders.


7.) 07 Nov 2018 23:20:13
'I was screaming at him as well, but he wasn't bloody listening! '

hahahaha! brilliant lol!


8.) 08 Nov 2018 00:13:04
I agree Evered, having not got goal side Gini has to foul him. He kind of had a nibble but then just let him go.
Matip should’ve also closed down the shot as there were no runners anywhere near him so he could quite easily have broken out of the defensive line knowing VVD was behind him to cover if the player had gone past him.
It was indicative of how we played in that they were all just happy for him to shoot as they didn’t think he was good enough to score from there. Just as the whole team didn’t think Red Star were good enough to beat us.
Complacency and unprofessionalism from the entire team.


9.) 08 Nov 2018 00:01:31
Gini could and should have fouled him instead of doing some acrobatic turn to actually get out the way and allow him to shoot.


10.) 07 Nov 2018 23:42:49
Hi Ed - I do think Milner had a big part to play in the second goal. He was the one who passed the ball straight to the guy who scored. Wiji played his part in it too though.

{Ed001's Note - and that would not have mattered if Wijnaldum was capable of doing the basics.}


 

 

25 Oct 2018 03:23:24
That was some sweet performance from the boys! Ed001, I’m interested to hear your take on Fab and Gini’s roles tonight; seemed like fab moved up a lot more than a traditional “6” and Gini was more reserved (I think) . Klopp mentioned it was a double 6 system. Maybe something you can share in the match review?

Azk

{Ed001's Note - it is what has been holding Fab back, he was too reserved for Klopp, who wants him to get forward more. Gini was doing the same, they just weren't doing it at the same time.}


1.) 25 Oct 2018 03:47:37
Right, I think you mentioned during pre season that he was dropping back between the cbs a bit too much for Klopp’s liking? Great that they can figure out how to alternate between who’s going up and staying back.

{Ed001's Note - the pair looked to have an excellent understanding last night.}


2.) 25 Oct 2018 06:41:28
Fab reminded me a lot of Gerrard, the way he moved, passed, tackled etc. Not comparing, and granted Fab isn't the quickest, more a similarity of physical movement.

{Ed025's Note - he is very much like gerrard burkey...well he has 2 arms and 2 legs, then im afraid the similarity ends mate..


3.) 25 Oct 2018 07:39:12
I actually thought Fabhino dropping back whenever the full backs or Gomez moved forward etc, provided good cover. Him and Gini certainly gave the front 4 the the licence to attack sort confidence.

Think Shaqiri needs a mention too, he worked his socks off last night and play some really decent stuff.

And then there’s Gomez, I honestly believe he can be better than VVD. He’s certainly better than Johm Stones, valued at £50m. For me, he’s the complete footballer and his awareness of danger makes him such a good defender.

{Ed025's Note - gomez has been a revelation drogie..


4.) 25 Oct 2018 08:00:49
Gomez and VVD are the best partnership since, oh, Starsky and Hutch probably.


5.) 25 Oct 2018 08:09:51
Fabinho and Gini always seemed to pick up the ball in the full back position, and transition it forward quickly, allowing the full backs to push up. They made us tick. I’ve never seen our midfield look so quick, Gini seemed to have a burst of pace missing recently. Loved it!


6.) 25 Oct 2018 09:57:28
Thought Gini was awesome last night.
Seems to have this positive "arrogance" about him.
Oh and ed025, behave! 😅.


7.) 25 Oct 2018 08:15:58
Oh Ed025, did Fab wrong you in an earlier life or something? :) I was comparing him physically, the way he moved, passed, tackled etc, not comparing their abilities. Sounds like you're a closet SG fan?

{Ed025's Note - who would not be a fan of SG Burkey?, as a footballer he was superb, as a person not so much mate..


8.) 25 Oct 2018 19:33:45
Fab had a good game as did Wiji and the rest of the team. Hopefully, we can take this into the weekend vs Cardiff cos a perf. like that would get us 3 points needed to put pressure on City and Spurs.


 

 

23 Sep 2018 07:45:10
Hi Ed001, if you don’t mind I’d like your take on these things when you do the match review:
1. The change up top (Bobby left, salah top etc) ; was that done to exploit their cb’s pace or was there another reason? I recall a few times balls were sent over the top for mo to chase so it seemed like there were some space in behind.
2. Shaq’s role in the team; I would imagine this is similar to what he did at stoke in the no 10 role?
Thanks ed!

Azk

{Ed001's Note - I have saved them in the file I use to ensure I remember to address them for you mate. Interesting questions thanks.}


1.) 23 Sep 2018 08:35:56
Thanks Ed, looking forward to it!

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}


2.) 23 Sep 2018 12:00:34
to add on. a couple of observations and reflections to get some inputs too:

Alisson - much has been said, but we finally have a gk that does things that a gk should do - stop shots, collect crosses, sweep behind a high back line, distribute the ball. For the past 6-7 seasons, i felt anxious whenever the opposition has the ball and is approaching our final third and even more so whenever there's a set piece / cross coming into our box. but with him around, ino longer have the feeling of 'we're going to concede'. he is just so cool, confident and competent.

Robertson - he's really proven himself to be an able LB for us and i do like him. however, i notice that he tends to not close down players fast or aggressive enough when they are crossing the ball into our box. just wonder what's the matter as he generally does a decent job defending otherwise.

Matip - there's plenty saying that's his best performance in a red shirt, and still some citing his pass completion rates for last night's match. i'm not fully convinced though. he no doubt has good ability in bringing the ball out from defence and is also a good passer. he also seems to attack the ball well enough with accuracy when he has a free run in the opposition box. but when he actually has to defend, i still find him physically weak, slow, indecisive. i thought he was the worst player in our team yesterday and felt that he didn't deal with quite a number of defensive situations well. if he were facing a Rondon or Mitrovic, he would have struggled badly.

Gomez - what a talent we have on our hands! he still has to work on his positioning and concentration. but this boy is playing with more and more confidence, authority and stature. between him and Matip, i thought he looked more like the senior CB that was marshaling the backline.

Milner - best CM we have in the team currently. he seems to be playing with more game intelligence now.

Shaqiri - good enough full debut, looked enterprising and his set pieces will be an added weapon to the team.

{Ed001's Note - have added them too mate.}


 

 

16 Sep 2018 12:53:05
Hi Ed001, have a few things that I want to get your take on:
1. I think Gomez has impressed in this cb role, his speed is definitely an asset. But do you feel he would benefit from having more muscle/ built or that’s not really necessary in his game. If so, would that generally impact his speed?
2. I watched a few Chelsea games and they seem to have this quick 1-2s or triangles that we used to do (but not so much now) ; especially Kante in his new roving role. Why do you think we are not doing this as frequently? And what’s the best way to combat them when we meet them.

Thanks ed!

Azk

{Ed001's Note - 1. It could slow him, if it is the wrong type of muscle. I am not convinced it would particularly improve him being stronger rather than faster. It is positioning that he needs to work on and awareness.

2. We are simply not being given as much time and space as we were. Teams are closing down our attackers and swarming them when they can and it is only when we get a break they get any space. We just need our midfield to begin adding more goals to draw defenders away from the attackers.}


1.) 16 Sep 2018 13:30:17
imo we've rarely been the type of team to break down the oppisition with technique and 1-2s. obviously it happens but I feel like we are far more of a direct team that capitalizes on space created by our pressure. for me, this is partly why we've had some struggles against team who park the bus. our ball movement can be laboured and we become one dimensional, when some creativity around changing angles and overloads would help us. I think we are developing this and seen more signs over the last season. but ya need more players like keita who have that style in their blood.


2.) 16 Sep 2018 14:05:40
I think if we play a big striker, vvd should take him, and Gomez sweep like ed said, by improving his positioning. He isn’t weak or massive so even if if he gained strength he wouldn’t be unplayable in the air. He seems occasionally to dive in a little, but being quick he should just hold off if he can’t get it, and use his pace and strength to hold them up and be comfortable if he gets turned - playing right back for a season should help him in 1v1. I hope we stick with these two when Lovren returns, could be a top partnership for years!


3.) 16 Sep 2018 14:11:39
Joe Gomez won't need muscle if he's in the right place at the right time. Spot on ed.

We are at the turning point of become a top top team. This Is the season where the opp give there all to stop you, teams tighten everything up and you have to try and over come it. If you can find the ways to still win, create and be a force like this then teams facing you will be like it doesn't matter what we do we can't stop them.

Chelsea are just hyped over a new manager and teams aren't expecting what there doing. The sarri effect will wear off around November thag buzz and there nowhere near fit enough to press for a full season thag takes time, city, spurs and us all found that out. So I'm not worried. Think we will spank them back down to reality over these next two games. Try and play against us and you will be punished.


4.) 16 Sep 2018 14:25:24
Thanks a mil Ed. Yeah agree on the concentration bit but he’s definitely getting there I think. On the second issue I just wonder why other teams seem to give city, Chelsea etc room to just pass about and ours seem to get pressed like mad e. g Leicester. But anywy not complaint after our perfect start!

{Ed001's Note - because they move around a lot more. We have too many players like Gini (at least until he scored) who hide off the ball and dawdle on it.}


5.) 16 Sep 2018 14:56:51
“We just need our midfield to begin adding more goals to draw defenders away from the attackers. ”

Nailed it!


6.) 16 Sep 2018 14:58:51
Kloppboss,
I understand your love for LFC but why mock a very good coach who made it to absolute top with peanuts spend and played some exceptional football in Italy over the years.
If Liverpool ever had a sibling on the way we played last two years it was Napoli under Sarri.
If klopp decide to move out, Sarri was the one I wanted to replace him with!


7.) 16 Sep 2018 16:26:27
Haven't dude. Sari is top.

Those players have defended every season for the past 5 years. They haven't pressed for 50 odd games.

Poch and klopps first season both went off the boil around Feb, as the players couldn't keep up with the high demand.

The other teams haven't had enough chances to play against nor study this Chelsea team so there abit of a new team.

The players are extra hyped with the new manager and that always wears off as teams move forward.


8.) 16 Sep 2018 17:31:01
Gomez has certainly impressed. Personally I wouldn't swap him for lovren atm. He has room to improve and next to van diike gomez could really become one of the best around in the next few years.

I think Liverpool need a bit of time to settle after a lot of new faces and a strong season last year.

My main worry is the forwards. I hope the competition between them doesn't slip into an unhealthy rivalry. Mane should have slipped in salah yesterday. We all know it. Mane's form dipped last season when salah stole his limelight and he looks well pleased with himself this year (quite right too, he has been great this year) it's natural for me to think this way but it's probably way off the mark and tabloids are adding fuel to the fire.
I would say keita is as good a finisher as salah if not better. And salah must attract a lot of defenders. If keita had scored we wouldn't be having this conversation. Tbf he should have made the net bulge. Early days for him though, great player.


9.) 16 Sep 2018 18:16:27
Keita worries me abit. Hits it abit like sterling, doesn't really seem to strike it very well, swings at it.

Mane and Salah are 100% having some sort of thing.

Manes not passing to him and Salah not to mane.

Mane clean through, Salah and keita in space. Hits keita. Now why would you not put through your 40 goal season winger in? That's there bread and butter from last year.

Is mane unhappy at maybe the pay rise Salah got? Does he want to do better to earn more or spite Salah a tad by showing off how good he is?

Bobby and Salah have signed, has mane even been offered anything? Thag would be a bit annoying to be fair.


10.) 16 Sep 2018 18:15:37
Klopp,
I don’t know what you are trying to say with your second post. I have seen Sarri at Italy from past 3 years after inheriting a poor defensive minded Rafa tea at Napoli. Didn’t take much time for him to convert Mertens to a false number 9. Napoli was never a pressing ram under Rafa and Sarri took them to 3rd place finish in the first season.

Klopp and Poch has poor set of players in their first and second season compared to what Sarri has now! That is always going to make a difference. It’s when we bought Salah and Mane we started firing goals after goals.

You could argue Chelsea might fall off as the season progress but doubting one of the best coaches around is rubbish. That’s like doubting Bielsa at Leeds who has never played any press!


11.) 16 Sep 2018 20:13:59
Actually think Keita was the better option Kloppsboss, he was in a great position and really should have put it away. So was Salah, but think Keita was the better option.


12.) 16 Sep 2018 21:32:31
Harry talking to you must be how Salah feels talking to me 🤣

I've just said I wasn't criticizing sarri.

I didn't even say Chelseas players were weak, poor or any description aside from they haven't pressed before for an entire season. They have parked the bus under mourinho and then conte. This is there first season open, attacking and pressing and it will take it's toll.

Also when's the last time we played a Chelsea team that left there own half 🤣 they're always terrified against us.

All I'm saying is if they want to grow some and try and finally play against us, I believe we will give them an utter pounding.

Nice welcome for sari to the prem. Respect us or pay the price 😊.


 

 

10 Aug 2018 08:27:24
Eds and reds, just thought we move away from the transfers; was just having a chat with my brother on the current squad and we came up with a few interesting points. I appreciate at the end of the day they are all just opinions but interesting to hear thoughts on this:

1. Best striker of the ball- I’m very impressed with TAA and how clean it looks every time he hits the ball.

2. Best dribbler- obviously it’s just pre season and YouTube but keita looks like he’s just next level with his dribbling.

3. Best passer- Hendo.

Azk

1.) 10 Aug 2018 08:50:13
Id say Sturridge over his career has shown he is the best striker of a ball we have. can't score from the treatment table though.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 08:55:04
Oh yes I agree Red, studge’s hit is very clean and precise. I think it was Ed001 who mentioned it the last time that it’s amazing how he can just hit the ball with such force and with so little backlift as well.

{Ed025's Note - he is also the most comfortable looking player on a treatment table and has got that fake limp off to a tee AZK...pure quality.. :)


3.) 10 Aug 2018 09:08:56
I think its hard to judge who is the best passer. Hendo keeps the team ticking over by constantly keeping the ball moving but the majority of his passes are over a short distance, although he does have a long ball in his locker. If you’re looking for penetrating passes then Firmino could be the one as he tries a lot more risky through balls. Amazingly Allison might be up there this season.

{Ed0333's Note - I think Keita will take the accolade by the end of the season.


4.) 10 Aug 2018 09:08:30
See if you're laughing by the end of tomorrow night Ed025.
The Wolves are circling, oooowwww, haha.

{Ed025's Note - and its a banana skin if ever there was one juicer, teams that come up usually start off on fire and we are breaking in a new manager with a new system and a lot of new players, but i will still be smiling mate as its my nature..


5.) 10 Aug 2018 09:24:00
Cmon Ed025, he’s not that bad mate, lol. Cannot deny that he’s quality though.

JK23 I suppose when you break it down like that, I agree firmino has that magic pass in him. I’m basing it on Hendo’s all round short and long passing game, as in he hardly makes the wrong choice, in my opinion of course.

But like Ed0333 said, might just be naby whose the pick of the lot.

{Ed025's Note - i think his talent is unquestionable AZK..pity hes a bit of a wimp really mate.. :)


6.) 10 Aug 2018 10:46:04
Keita 100%, Shaqiri and hopefully Fab are better passers than Hendo IMO.


7.) 10 Aug 2018 11:34:59
I wouldn’t call wolves a banana skin Ed I would imagine they will stay up comfortably along with Fulham probably just behind the mini battle between Everton and West Ham (7th+ 8th), the top 6 will be in my opinion
Man City/ Liverpool
Chelsea
Man Unt
Spurs/ Arsenal.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that den, except that i think west ham will not do as well as you expect mate..


8.) 10 Aug 2018 12:07:55
It's the premier league! All teams are a potential banana skin, but it's a bit early for excuses, especially when you've forked out some serious dough. Everton need to win games like these, no excuses.

{Ed025's Note - easier said than done mate, everton are in transition with a new manager, style of play and players who are new and will take time to gel, interesting though it is rome was not built in a day..


9.) 10 Aug 2018 16:03:59
Best striker of the ball - Sturridge (but could be Shaqiri based on pre-season! )
Best dribbler - Salah in tight spaces, Keita when on the run. but Firmino is really good under pressure too
Best Passer - Firmino as he sees space like few others and tends to perfectly weight the pass.


10.) 10 Aug 2018 16:24:00
Having watched Mane at close quarters in the Torino game, he was staggeringly quick and skilful dribbling. Just amazing.


 

 

 

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20 Mar 2018 08:56:39
Righto. Thanks ed!

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20 Mar 2018 08:48:57
Just to follow up Ed, who would you put in that world class bracket that’s “attainable”? Obviously that rules out De Gea and Buffon. I would say Alison and Oblak?

The other German options, Leno, Horn, Ter Stegen are very very good but I don’t know if they’re that much of an upgrade, if at all. Interested to know what other reds feel as well.

Azk

{Ed001's Note - Alisson would be the onlyone and I expect him to go elsewhere.}


 

 

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20 Mar 2018 06:01:12
Hi Ed, so based on your response up there do you think Karius has impressed to the extent that he should be the No 1 for next season?

I seem to recall one of the posters saying that Karius really impressed in training, and I also think he has improved leeps and bounds from last season. I’m excited because in a short space of time it seems like he has eradicated, or at least not exhibit, most of the errors of last season. It would be great if we can continue to see him develop year on year.

Azk

{Ed001's Note - unless we are going to get a world class keeper, I see no reason to change him.}


 

 

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30 Jan 2018 12:58:45
Just a “friend” eh Ed? 😜.

Azk

{Ed001's Note - well yes, until she got married. Her hubby objected to her having other 'friends' after that. Miserable bugger.}


 

 

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20 Jan 2018 07:26:01
If I had a birdie from Colombia I won’t be on this site as often.

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27 Oct 2018 22:10:49
Ed, just want to ask further on your explanation above; when you say it’s too taxing, is it due to the 2 midfielders doing the job of a 3 man midfield (in respect of our usual 433)? Also, I know you made a comparison between Rafa’s 2 sitting mids and Klopp’s 2 box to box mid in your article and now, we have the flexibility to adjust, horses for courses and all that. if you don’t mind explaining in general terms, how would those 2 systems be most effectively used? Sorry if it’s a loaded question.

Azk

{Ed001's Note - yes, partly due to a lack of bodies in the centre, though one of the forwards can drop off to cover, but it means the there is usually a lot of space out wide. As it is intended to attack, it leaves gaps at the back, as the full backs will push on, there is a huge onus on the centre backs and the central midfielders to be at their best.}


 

 

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25 Oct 2018 03:47:37
Right, I think you mentioned during pre season that he was dropping back between the cbs a bit too much for Klopp’s liking? Great that they can figure out how to alternate between who’s going up and staying back.

Azk

{Ed001's Note - the pair looked to have an excellent understanding last night.}


 

 

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11 Oct 2018 07:53:20
Thanks for the round-up Ed. Just wondering about Jardim; was it a case of them losing too many players consistently or any other factor in your opinion? It’s a shame though.

Azk

{Ed001's Note - they just lost too many players and were buying young prospects to replace them but he did not have time to bed them in and develop them. When you sell teenagers the minute they star, you are not giving time for the team to grow.}


 

 

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23 Sep 2018 21:55:24
Brilliant Ed! And thanks for addressing the questions as well.

Azk

{Ed001's Note - very welcome Azk. Nice to have something new to talk about!}


 

 

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23 Sep 2018 08:35:56
Thanks Ed, looking forward to it!

Azk

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}