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23 Mar 2020 22:15:25
Ed002

Trying to wrap my head around the future of the game if rubbish hits the fan. Realistically how many clubs do you see having to fold? Would they be able to come back from this? And would this possibly make the breakaway league more feasible? And lastly what will this shutdown mean for transfers and the market as a whole. Do you see fees coming down?

Cheers
Matt in FL.

420FL

{Ed002's Note - A lot there Matt. But I will give it a shot: (1) As you know I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe regardless. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Wheether or not this could be a result of the current crisis I don't know, but clubs at all levels are working close to the wire - Premier League and other senior clubs throughout Europe have budgetted game income to pay wages as an example. Financially, even in the short-term, I do not see that so many English and Welsh pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially). Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again). Clubs like Bury are drifting away, clubs like Hartlepool have been struggling - again they need to adapt. (2) The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done. Accrington Stanley have done it. Bradford Park Avenue are fighting to do it. (3) No, the breakaway is viable but the clubs would not look to this as an excuse. (4) It rather depends when the mess starts to clean up across Europe. It is possible that some clubs may not be in a position to do what they want financially. There are fewer and fewer cash rich clubs that may be able to control the market to some extent. But prices for players wanted by the English sides are well beyond what most clubs would pay. So timing is a big deal here.}


1.) 27 Mar 2020 09:33:01
Hi Ed002,
I don’t like the idea of euro breakaway league? For me the idea of winning or getting into the top is part of the excitement. Then by doing so you’re allowed to play the top teams in European football then.

How would playing only the top teams every year then be viewed after a while? What would it cost the fans in season tickets? What would the cost be of fans traveling to away game in Europe every other week?

These are just my views Ed, but to me the idea of playing Europe’s elite week in, week out is a no go. I would more inclined to scrap the league cup and have a mini tournament like fifa are doing. Ed, would be interesting to get your views. Do you think a breakaway league will work.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the Liverpool supporters like it or not - and I appreciate that the Liverpool supporters know that they are notr part of the group of 21 "elite" sides discussing it. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 10 to 12 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. It is far from expensive to make the trips and in many cases cheaper than paying British Rail to visit London. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat, perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them? There is no doubt it would work.}


 

 

18 Jul 2018 13:25:21
ESPN reporting fee agreed for Allison.

420FL

1.) 18 Jul 2018 14:51:52
Anyone worried about the medical?


2.) 18 Jul 2018 15:58:33
Worried about his first mistake.


3.) 18 Jul 2018 17:39:26
He'll drop the pen to sign the contract.


4.) 18 Jul 2018 20:04:30
Not worried about his medical at all, his injury record to date is
Muscle injury - June 2015, out for 15 days
And another muscle injury in may this year, out for 4 days only lol.


 

 

24 Jan 2018 18:33:20
Ed002 hope you are well,
I was reading the posts and we are talking about transfers between Madrid, Barca, top six etc. What will happen to transfers if the breakaway league happens?
Thanks
Matt in FL.

420FL

{Ed002's Note - This was discussed right at the start of the of the process and it is agreed that it will carry on as now - no different to buying a player from outside of UEFA (e.g. Brazil or China).}


1.) 24 Jan 2018 21:00:12
I try not to get carried away when I see Dramatic headlines and you guys have probably been through this so sorry to ask but if there any truth to the article that says we have agreed terms with lemar this evening?

I was superred81 but was finding it hard to login then went and miss spelled lemar, well my phone did. I think this deal would really make up for losing pc. Both for the team and the fans.

{Ed002's Note - The player or his club?


2.) 25 Jan 2018 09:33:28
With FIFA banning players from playing football in their games that move to the breakaway league, how will it affect players been transferred back into teams left within FIFA.

{Ed002's Note - The discusseion a couple of years ago led to the decision that it won't.}


3.) 25 Jan 2018 10:12:31
Ah OK thanks ed.


4.) 25 Jan 2018 15:13:05
Unfortunately it will be the death of football, watching the same teams play each week is not what football was meant to be.


 

 

07 Aug 2017 02:16:01
If Couthino goes, the sun will still rise. I'm interested in the Eds opinion on who will come in as I've read on here a striker. No one is bigger than the club.
Matt in FL.

420FL

{Ed001's Note - I do not know of any striker set to sign.}


1.) 07 Aug 2017 07:32:14
I think it's Barcelona just applying pressure and trying to unsettle Coutinho through the media so he demands a move. If we were to sell him I think I'd lose faith in our owners, especially if nobody exceptional replaces him. I'm still positive about it though. For now.


2.) 07 Aug 2017 07:45:22
Agree I'd be very disappointed with the club.
Klopp said at the end of last season we will be getting new players an now he's saying he's happy with his centre half's! Come on klopp you must be joking mate.


3.) 07 Aug 2017 07:54:31
I think am starting to sway towards eds1 feeling about klopp!


4.) 07 Aug 2017 08:16:55
Fowler, Klopp said he would bring in new players. He did not say which players they were or what positions he was looking to strengthen. If you thought he would bring in the players at the positions that you wanted (CB, for example) and for some reason he did not, you drew that conclusion on your own and nothing else so Klopp is not to blame for you drawing the wrong conclusions.


5.) 07 Aug 2017 08:39:03
I'm a big believer in the FSG model of buying quality young players and developing them into title challengers. Even in today's incredible spending I believe a model like this can compete. Key to it however is keeping the stars once they develop.

I ve been a big supporter of FSG to date but if we sell coutinho regardless of who we buy to replace I believe the model will be dead. I would still be very thankful they came along saved the club, built a bigger stadium and significantly improved the squad. It would be time to go in my opinion if coutinho is sold as they would have taken us as far as they could.

At the moment this is all intense speculation so my support continues until something actually happens.


6.) 07 Aug 2017 09:13:58
Dave that comment has to be contradiction at its finest. You're a big believer in the model but if 1 player is sold then the model is dead 🤔.


7.) 07 Aug 2017 09:29:38
Where's the contradiction? The model is based on developing and keeping the players. If one is sold then the model is not being followed, and is dead. Logic is obviously not a strong skill with some on here.


8.) 07 Aug 2017 09:38:09
Jayden, you are missing the point of Davey's post which I agree with. he is saying that we should be able to keep our best players after we have spent time and money in developing them. Right now, we developed Cou into the player he is today, period. He has also made the effort to improve his game as well and he was a massive player for us last season esp. at the end here where his goals and assists (playing at Stoke while severely ill) that helped get us over the line for CL. He is IMO, our best player due to the immense creative influence he has on our team. If we sell him now, we are a selling club and a feeder club for the RM's, Barca's and Bayern's to come in and take their pick and BOOM goes the model.

{Ed002's Note - It is because he wants to leave and has done for some time. You should understand that Coutinho has been looking for this move for more than a year.}


9.) 07 Aug 2017 09:40:06
How is it a contradiction. Im a believer in the model of buying young and building a quality team. That for me only works if you keep your best players regardless of what's offered.

Yes it is dead if we sell coutinho. Today's it's coutinho, next year it's Mane. Ultimately if good money is on the table we are sellers. Good business but it will not win you titles. Ever.

If Fsg don't sell on continue on the path I hope they are on, then it's all good in my opinion. We continue to build a grow.

I'm not contradicting at all. I'm laying out 2 different scenarios. One a recipe for success. The other a recipe for disaster. The next month will decide.

{Ed002's Note - Players are simply transient employees of the club. If you want them to stay loyal and not move on then look to more local and homegrown players.}


10.) 07 Aug 2017 10:03:43
Davey I've re-read your comment and your 2nd comment and I will happily suck back. I happily admit I misinterpreted your initial comment. My bad. Apologies.


11.) 07 Aug 2017 10:07:06
Funny how ed2 says couts been looking for this move for a year but when Keita wanted to leave his club to join us we are the big bad bogey men . This won't be posted as ed 2 doesn't like the truth.

{Ed002's Note - This is the typical coward that changes his name and writes trash like this. I have explained for more than a year about Coutinho and I have explained before about the illegal approaches Klopp has made in respect of Keita. It seems I might well be the only one who cares about the truth. You find it "funny" as you simply don't understand.}


12.) 07 Aug 2017 10:09:03
Spot on, Davey. If we allow Cou's shananigans to go and let him have his wish, then we are screwed as any other player will do the exact same thing to us and then it becomes untenable.


13.) 07 Aug 2017 10:21:06
I get what you are saying Ed but if Man United, Chelsea, Manchester City had liverpools position of a star player on a 5 year contract and reasonably happy they would not sell. Coutinho s head is turned I have no doubt but he can easily be brought back onside. He s lived in liverpool long enough a it cannot simply be the case Barcelona come calling and it's no longer a place of work he can accept.

Costa situation and suarez situations are different. They are untenable positions. This isn't that. The club has to show strength here.

I don't see real madrid selling Ronaldo during his unhappy times.

FSG are at a major crossroads and have a decision to make.

Ultimately coutinho is not the important part of this decision. Like you say he is a transient employee who will leave someday. However the decision to sell a top player under five year contract who has spent years at the club is the key to it. Do we as a club sell players in this position?

If we do this then there is no sustainable model in place to become genuine title challengers.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona has come calling because for more than a year Coutinho has been trying to find a way to make the move Davey.}


14.) 07 Aug 2017 10:45:49
Anyone remember when we sold the young, talented Michael Owen and then next year won the Champions League with possibly the worst squad ever to win the competition?

(Granted we did have Stevie G to thank for most of it. )


15.) 07 Aug 2017 11:06:23
Ed fair enough he's wanted, and being looking for the move for over a year! Was the signing of the contract just to guarantee getting the highest fee possible.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea why he signed the contract - probably pressured in to doing it. But the club has known all along about his discussions with the three international colleagues and his agent courting Barcelona.}


16.) 07 Aug 2017 11:08:49
Regardless of them looking for an out the board managed to tie him to a contract during that time. We have to think long term with the decision made on this one because the implications for liverpool a far far greater than selling a player.

Well I could argue the point all day but the kids are pestering me to take them to the park. Take care Ed.


17.) 07 Aug 2017 13:34:02
It has been known for a long time that Coutinho's dream club was Barcelona.

So now Barcelona have come calling, and he wants to go.

Exactly how is that FSG's fault?

Maybe FSG are also to blame for problems in the Middle East, not to mention North Korea?


 

 

30 May 2017 01:23:36
Ed's, with Tuchel in Dortmund possibly leaving does that rekindle interest in Pulisic from Klopp? And if you could indulge, what went wrong for Tuchel?

420FL

{Ed001's Note - Tuchel was not in charge of transfers at Dortmund. This is not the really the place for the Tuchel thing, but he fell out with the people above him due to his inability to agree with them on almost anything and his constant tinkering.}


 

 

 

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18 Mar 2020 00:50:07
Ed's

Is there anything you need the community to do for the site due to Covid19? There will be a lot of time on a lot of people's hands soon, at least in the USA. I also want to tell you all I appreciate what a distraction this site is to lifes stresses.

Thank you all
Everyone stay healthy

Cheers Matt in FL.

420FL

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea mate. Most important is looking after your own health and those around you, whether they are friend, family or just a neighbour in need of a helping hand.}


1.) 18 Mar 2020 09:16:08
Is it worth publishing your to do list ed001? I bet half your requests are from people that no longer visit the site!

And some of them could maybe turn into discussions instead, like the ones where you have been asked to compare teams of the past with the current squad.

{Ed001's Note - I will put one up and see if it does work like that mate:

Just a suggestion for an article for ed001 or maybe even MK. Perhaps an article or two about a player who was good but should have been great and didn't reach their full potential. Sort of like fallen stars of the game. Doesn't have to be Liverpool related. Adriano springs to mind as an example for instance. Anyway, just a a suggestion and keep up the great work all of you.

Sorry I forgot to note down who sent it in, I only started keeping a note of who sent them after I had forgotten who sent in all the ones I had! So any names come up for players that were good but never reached their potential?}


2.) 18 Mar 2020 10:22:48
I know its not quite the status of fallen star yet but for me someone like Neymar has to be in the argument.

The boy had the world at his feet but unfortunately seems to be more interested in parties then doing the business on the football pitch. I think if he had Ronaldo's attitude he would be setting the standard. But he only seems to care about his image.

{Ed001's Note - Neymar is a good shout.}


3.) 18 Mar 2020 10:54:41
On championship manager (Can’t remember which one) Djalminha was absolutely top of the pops except he kept fighting and getting sent off! As far as I can remember he was the same in real life too.

Then you’ve got Sonny Pike who was tipped to be the next Maradona and didn’t even make it at the top level.

And that lad at Man Utd who played for West Ham for half a season who’s now in Norway or somewhere because his attitude stunk.

And a few others like Ryan Babel, Jordan Ibe, Adel Taarabt, Antonio Cassano, Paul Konchesky. 😂.

{Ed001's Note - Ravel Morrison? Didn't he sign for Sheffield United?}


4.) 18 Mar 2020 12:18:05
I think Ravel Morrison's at Middlesbrough now, but I could be wrong.


5.) 18 Mar 2020 12:34:59
Quaresma was supposed to have overshadowed Cris Ronaldo for ability and raw skill in youth teams

Also, Robin Friday. Never saw him play or even seen any footage but the book about his life suggests he would have been the next George Best. Pity he went down a similar path.


6.) 18 Mar 2020 13:57:38
Dragon stojkovic, Robinho, Ariel Ortega, Adrian mutu.


7.) 18 Mar 2020 18:29:32
Cisse. Was going to be massive imo, broken leg hampered him massively (of course)


8.) 18 Mar 2020 19:24:04
Theo Walcott was always supposed to explode into life "Next Season" but he was a decent player during the 2010s.

Daniel Guiza had one incredible season but could never kick on from there.

Andrei Arshavin could never top his 4 goals at Anfield.


9.) 18 Mar 2020 20:01:54
Slight switch from the original topic, but there was that striker at Wigan who scored a hat full early on the faded in to obscurity. Then you have the likes of gabby abonlohor and odemwingie not stars but players that were hugely raved about and faded rapidly.


10.) 18 Mar 2020 21:22:28
Haha, that was my question Ed001 :) I remember suggesting a where are they now article too for our old academy players. Like Ryan Mclaughlin for example. What made him highly rated, why didn't he work out with us, what sort of career did he have after us and what sort of future is expected of him.

{Ed001's Note - that is next on the to do list after this one!}


11.) 18 Mar 2020 21:40:39
What happened to Adriano is a human tragedy, one I would not want ANY soul on this earth, to have to endure.


12.) 19 Mar 2020 02:32:47
No worries Ed001 mate. Look forward to reading it :)

{Ed001's Note - shows how far behind I am though.}


 

 

12 Mar 2020 19:36:08
Hello all
Ed's with all sport being postponed here in the states, do you all expect the same to happen there? If so what would you expect to happen to the season? Abandoned or postponed to be finished later?

And just out of curiosity is there a general panic setting in there like here?

Cheers
Matt in FL.

420FL

{Ed001's Note - not a clue sorry. No one can answer that as it will depend on circumstances and all we would be doing is guessing.}


1.) 13 Mar 2020 06:33:35
I hate to say it but it’s looking likely out wait will go beyond the 30years. Only a matter of time before it’s abandoned. What happens to all the prize money with promotions and relegations etc is the question.


2.) 13 Mar 2020 08:23:42
Court cases for days.


 

 

14 Jan 2020 01:07:33
Ed002
I know we don't discuss finances, but I was reading about the Deloitte money league. Was curious if you'd be willing to explain that a bit. Whatever you would want to do.

Cheers either way
Maat in FL.

420FL

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure what you would liek to know. It is no more than a summary of the top earning clubs and where the money is derived from (commercial, match day or broadcast). It is no more than an analysis of statistics and there is nothing to it really - it is of no real relevance to anyone.}


1.) 14 Jan 2020 08:49:28
Ed I’m not asking about money! But it says Barcelona are shooting up because they are doing a lot of stuff inhouse like merchandise and licensing now and that’s the way forward what’s that mean? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - I don't understand the question. Barcelona have a different deal over the kit than most. And they are a bigger draw than all but RM.}


2.) 14 Jan 2020 12:36:14
Hi ed, does the exchange rate effect the figures? ie if the £ increases 10% does that matter.

{Ed002's Note - No.}


3.) 14 Jan 2020 14:20:15
Surely barcelonas increased revenue is down to them never having a sponsor for years then being UNICEF. So over the last decade it must have shot right up. I appreciate you saying it has no relevance to anyone but I spent hours with spurs fans in their stadium on Saturday and that's all they care about. They have been brainwashed by Levy into thinking because the have a great stadium and apparently make over £800,000 on a match day it makes no odds how rubbish they've become on the pitch. It's almost like a trophy for them.

{Ed002's Note - I am afraid you don't understand the situation with UNICEF and the foundation. You maybe want to take it to the Spurs page.}


4.) 14 Jan 2020 18:13:16
Ed's 002. I wash implying they made money from UNICEF. Quite the opposite. I was suggesting that Barcelonas rise in recent years must have come from the fact the last 5 years give it take they have had sponsors on the front of the shirt Qatar airways and Rakuten. Even though I guess that still is only a very small percentage of cake. But anyway it's nice to see Liverpool performing on and off the pitch such a change from the Hicks and Gillette era.

{Ed002's Note - The English sides benefit from higher broadcast revenue - and that increases with success in Europe. Liverpool now need to sustain being in the Champions League.}


 

 

25 Dec 2019 21:36:46
Merry Christmas to everyone here. Special shout out to the Ed's. We are all more knowledgeable because of you. Ed001 you rock. ED002 is my secret man crush. ED025 you make me laugh sir. Wishing all a great night.

Now to top off the Day a victory vs LCFC will be nice

Matt in FL.

420FL

{Ed001's Note - cheers Matt, I hope we get that icing on the cake tomorrow! Merry Christmas.}


 

 

22 Oct 2019 00:59:41
Ed002
If I may, I am curious as to how stadium building is funded in the UK. You have mentioned all options on the table for LFC. So if they decide to build a new facility, is it funded privately or publicly? Or both. Here in the States most stadiums are funded with both, money from private firms, taxes and personal seat licenses
Thanks
Matt in Florida.

420FL

{Ed002's Note - Aside from Wembley, Manchester City’s stadium (built for the Commonwealth Games) and West Ham’s stadium (built for the Olympic Games) all stadiums are built using private funding. Leyton Orient turned down the opportunity to move to the Olympic Field Hockey stadium. One option Everton has looked at is taking a loan from public funds to help build their planned new stadium. It has cost Spurs something in the order of £1B (about $1.3B) to build their new stadium.}


1.) 22 Oct 2019 14:35:18
ed002 with the spurs stadium will the cost be more than say everton because of it being in London and land being so expensive there or did spurs own most of the land. But I did not know if other cost would sky rocket as well.

{Ed002's Note - The Spurs stadium was expensive because of the land, London, the design, the size and movable pitch. Everton's will cost far, far less.}


 

 

 

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18 Mar 2020 00:52:27
Wiltshire
Robert E Lee was loved by people who fought to preserve Slavery. He is not a hero
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10 Oct 2019 00:15:59
Ed 02
Sorry. I am in the states. Can you explain what those options are please?
Regards
Matt in FL.

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{Ed002's Note - The owners have made it clear that any and all options are available for consideration. They have not renewed the planning permission because it made no financial sense - it took them a long tie to figure that out.}


 

 

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Ed 02
Sorry. I am in the states. Can you explain what those options are please?
Regards
Matt in FL.

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29 May 2018 04:13:52
One other thing Ed002,
I want it to be known I have 2 kids of my own and one more coming. Believe me when I say I understand this is a game and hardly life and death. For anyone to wish Death or Cancer on someone is not humane. I read this site daily and never once have abused anyone.
Matt in FL.

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{Ed002's Note - Nobody has suggested it was you.}


 

 

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29 May 2018 02:56:03
Ed002,
When someone saysyou are a god you say yes. Otherwise a pissed off marshmallow shows up 😉.

420FL

{Ed002's Note - So where did I say that? All I get is fucking grief from brain dead vegetables. I get it - Macca rules the roost and I have never offered anything to the site at all - I am sick hearing it. You get you fucking way - Macca will be providing updates several times an hour from now on. You are done as far as I am concerned, I have been giving every bit of effort I can but get relentless abuse from the so called fans - no doubt those that made death threats to a player and we have already had two who don't see an issue with people hoping his kids get cancer. I don't see why we should bother with a Liverpool page any more.}


 

 

 

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No time like the present then ed.

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08 Mar 2020 22:12:12
Ed002
If you are in Florida would live to buy you a beverage of your choice. Maybe bull about the Dead and football of course.

Matt in FL.

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{Ed002's Note - Matt - I rarely go to FLA although I have a brother who lives in Delray Beach.}


 

 

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05 Mar 2020 19:48:59
Barry
Pick up my flight from Florida and the pints are on me.

Matt in FL.

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05 Mar 2020 03:15:35
Waro or Harry Scouser? I miss those 2.

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02 Mar 2020 16:01:21
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I appreciate your opinion on Lovren, but he is a good option to have at the back. And the man hasn't played regularly. He was far from the worst on the day. Cut the man some slack.

Matt in FL.

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