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07 Jul 2019 15:55:09
This is a totally random ................

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{Ed002's Note - Not a matter for discussion. Sorry.}

07 Jul 2019 16:04:37
No worries, I did think it was a bit of a niche topic. Iíll have a search elsewhere.

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{Ed002's Note - It has caused problems when raised befoe - hence we don't discuss it.}

07 Jul 2019 17:07:14
Harry being ed001s love child is a bit of a sore subject at the moment.

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07 Jul 2019 19:47:07
. but when you put the lime in the coconut, why do you have to shake it all up? Could you not just leave it stagnant before you drink it all up?

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08 Jul 2019 00:13:25
This is totally random but, fish and custard?

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08 Jul 2019 06:27:01
Why does everything taste better with bacon?

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08 Jul 2019 07:19:53
Who put the bom in the bom de bom de bom?

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{Ed002's Note - Thatwould be Aubamalangadingdong.}

08 Jul 2019 16:23:03
Do you believe in the Chaos theory?

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07 Jul 2019 11:13:15
Saw someone ask about goal keepers for pre-season yesterday and I had a quick scour online to see what we actually have likely to be available.

Alisson and Mignolet won't be back for the early games because of international involvement. Grabara also due to U21's duty for Poland. Kelleher has broke his wrist so he'll be out until August.

There is obviously the young Czech keeper V. Jaros. He was part of the squad that won last season's youth cup and is meant to be decent. He's only 17. He's definitely got talent.

Interestingly though, we actually have a full international in the academy who I'd never heard of. Kai McKenzie-lyle is a 21 year old Guyana international with 5 caps and 1 goal. Yes, you read that right. He scored on his Guyana debut in 2016. He looks much more ready for men's football at 2.01m tall. No idea if he's actually any good though!

Either way it looks like we'll be scraping to Academy barrell!

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07 Jul 2019 11:39:58
Mignoket will be available if stays.

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07 Jul 2019 11:54:07
That was me mate, can't wait to see who they put between the sticks.

I'd be begging to be selected if I was one of the options, get some minutes on the pitch with klopp and it could open up a few possibilities in terms of loans for the young lads.

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07 Jul 2019 13:08:05
Kai McKenzie-Lyle was signed from Barnet last summer after a successful trial. Giant young man. Wasn't in the Guyana squad for the Gold Cup, so should be available to play some pre-season. He's with the U23s but I don't know any reason he couldn't be called up to replace Caoimh.

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07 Jul 2019 15:12:39
1jj, Mignolet won't be back in time for the first few games of pre-season because he was away with Belgium.

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07 Jul 2019 19:08:55
Plain bread - First Belgium game is 6th sept away to San Marino so will be available for our first few games.

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07 Jul 2019 20:03:07
1jj, I think you're missing the point mate. We play Tranmere and Bradford on the 11th and 14th of July in pre-season friendlies. Mignolet was involved with Belgium on the 11th June.

Therefore there is no guarantee he will be back in time to play in those 2 games.

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08 Jul 2019 07:46:00
don't worry lads Milner to the rescue?

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08 Jul 2019 12:49:42
We should sign Van Veenendaal.

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08 Jul 2019 16:24:29
Lol@king carlos.

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07 Jul 2019 08:58:40
Morning Ed's, seen a few times you've mentioned discussions re Naby keita and a loan / move? Is it worth asking if you could expand on who those discussions maybe with? Is there a serious possibility he could leave? I'd of liked him to be given another season but what do I know.

Or is it not worth opening that up at the moment. I know how at times things can escalate.

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{Ed002's Note - No I haven't said that.}

07 Jul 2019 11:55:16
I think it was mentioned that may have to be an option if he fails to get a WP, which he will get if he passes the English test.

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08 Jul 2019 16:27:13
How many times can he take the test? Can he take it every day until he gets it or are there set dates?

I know this is a hard one to answer but is there anything to suggest he is making decent progress?

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{Ed002's Note - I guess if there is a way for Liverpool to cheat then they will.}

07 Jul 2019 10:05:54
For the guys that are interested, there's an excellent interview of Fabinho by Brazilian journalist Cleber Machado on reddit. Gives very interesting insight on the atmosphere around the Barcelona game, his initial period after joining and a lot of other snippets on internal workings.

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07 Jul 2019 11:06:11
I must look it up thank's for that.

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07 Jul 2019 13:49:38
Really interesting, the original interview is in Portuguese but a Redditor has translated some of the more interesting points. Can be found by searching "Interesting snippets from Fabinho's podcast for Globoesporte".

Cheers ArAy1969, great recommendation.

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07 Jul 2019 14:28:24
Ed001, would you say there is corruption in this Copa America favouring Brazil? It was shocking when the referee didnít bother using VAR for a few decisions for no reason.


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{Ed001's Note - probably, there usually is favourable refereeing for the home team in an international tournament as no one wants them out early.}

07 Jul 2019 15:06:45
Ahh I see thank you Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}

07 Jul 2019 16:05:20
Spot on, Ed. That has always been the case which is why countries who have a team that has potential of winning an int'l comp. always fight tooth and nail, to host it cos not only is there great home support, there is always some good, old "home cooking" (NFL jargon for favorable refereeing) .

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08 Jul 2019 11:18:52
Is there corruption in Brazilian football (regardless of the event or competition being played)? Is there juice in an orange?

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08 Jul 2019 16:30:06
I remember a story about a cop who walked on to the pitch and shot a player, back in the 60s i think. Wasnt an international tournament, or an international game. I think it was in argentina or brazil.

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07 Jul 2019 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 7th July 2019

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07 Jul 2019 07:57:32
Finally the real Messi is coming out the spoilt little brat who always wants everything his own way.

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07 Jul 2019 08:49:00
Is messi acting like a child or has he got a point, I haven't seen any of the copa except for highlights of Bobby.

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{Ed001's Note - both.}

07 Jul 2019 09:17:33
His comments warrant no attention as they are mid-guided

However how he got sent off Iíve no idea.

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07 Jul 2019 09:24:36
A lad I worked with insists that Messi is the greatest of all time, which is always a subjective thing, and insists heís better than Maradona. To me thatís ridiculous as Maradona dragged a very average Argentina side to World Cup victory. Something Messi and his ego never have. And he did it without refereeís protecting him.

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07 Jul 2019 09:45:19
Anfield has slaughtered the Goat.

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07 Jul 2019 10:01:34
I agree 6times. Messi is a phenomenal player but he canít be considered the greatest ever without s World Cup winners medal.

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07 Jul 2019 10:06:47
Was Messi better than George Best? I think Pele said Best was the best he's seen.

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07 Jul 2019 10:09:57
The pressures of a career long ineffectiveness for his national team, are finally building up. Goat? Don't think so. Not ahead of Pele and Maradona.

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07 Jul 2019 10:10:08
Whilst I concede the above arguments have merit, I'm almost 50 and I've never seen a player do what messi does on a regular basis. He is the best I've seen, regardless of a world cup medal or not. Side note, I care little about international football.

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{Ed001's Note - but he does it on billiard tables with defenders unable to touch him, as he gets insane amounts of protection. All the talk of how he doesn't dive from commentators is nonsense, he dives when he gets tackled it is just players are scared to challenge him as referees give every decision in his favour. He is not even close to Maradona's level, who would do the same things Messi did but while being hacked at viciously by thugs trying to finish his career on pitches that were like cabbage patches.}

07 Jul 2019 10:14:15
I have no idea why Messi got sent off.

As for the GOAT, I donít think Messi is the best player of this generation, unfortunately that goes to Ronaldo IMO. He is a bit like gerrard in that he can drag his team through with a never say die attitude. Heís also done it on the international stage.

No idea who Iíd class as the GOAT because each generation would argue for who they grew up with I think.

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07 Jul 2019 11:13:41
Comments to the side, the red card against was incredibly harsh. Medel was coming at him and he just stood his ground. Could have dived, but didnít and I donít even think he made any forward movement with his head - canít understand why VAR has not overturned it.

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07 Jul 2019 11:33:16
Watched the incident with Messi, was a load of handbags where was var when it was needed, also great to see Brazil progress to the final without that serial injury feigner, hope all our lads come home safely.

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07 Jul 2019 10:30:35
I saw the sending off, he and medel squared up to each other then proceed to do some strange form rutting where they both beat their chest against the others. The referee ran over and sent them both off immediately. They must have assumed because there was no head involved they would get yellows but it looked ugly and particularly moronic.

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07 Jul 2019 10:49:16
I understand ed001, but I think it's hard to compare players of different eras. The pitches are better now and old fashioned tackles are outlawed, but the game is also much quicker and more professional. I played a couple of seasons in the old national soccer league in oz and it wasn't unusual to see a player have a quick fag at half time, that was after a big night the night before. Modern forwards are up against real athletes, professional players fully. Messi is also a good yard slower than plenty of other forwards but still bamboozles defenders. Just my opinion of course.

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{Ed001's Note - and you are forgetting that if the older players had access to modern training, they would have been even better. If the likes of Messi had played back then, they would have not been able to cope. The skill level of Messi is fine on a billiard table but he has been shown time and time again to fail miserably on a crap pitch, including at this Copa when he had a good whine about one of the pitches because it wasn't perfect.}

07 Jul 2019 13:34:25
To suggest a player cannot be considered the greatest without a World Cup medal is ridiculous IMO. A tournament is won by a team not an individual. Pele didn't win the World Cup, Brazil did because they had a team of superb players. Many would consider Cruyff to be better than anyone but he never got a WC medal. Same goes for top players like Messi, Ronaldo, Weah, Van Basten, Best, Dalglish and Le Tissier (hey, he had his moments) .

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07 Jul 2019 13:43:36
ed001 am with you on Messi, and for me Ronaldo there has been loads of players better than them but they did not play on the pitches they play on today and got kicked from pillar to post. and I don't think the quality of defenders are anywhere near as good as the past. Am 44 and Maradona is the best player I have seen in my time but I would put Zidane, Fat Ronaldo all above Messi and Ronaldo. Then there is Pele, Cruyff, Di Stťfano, PuskŠs, Eusťbio, Garrincha and best to name just a few from the past that I did not get to see who like you said played on awful Pitches. I would love to see them players playing on these pitches with the light weight boots and balls they play with to day and see what they could do.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. It is not even true that all modern day players are fitter, the likes of Shankly and Matthews were incredibly fit and could have easily lived in the modern day football world due to their dedication to training. And yes I do mean the great Bill Shankly, as he was very much a fitness fanatic who didn't drink or smoke to keep himself as fit as could be.}

07 Jul 2019 14:32:07
I watched nearly all the matches at the Copa. Messi was poor mostly, but the refereeing against Brazil was atrocious, as was the red against Chile.
As per the GOAT discussion, Messi isn't it. For me, it has to be Maradona first and Zidane second.
What Maradona did in 1986 World Cup was unbelievable, and the way Zidane turned the 2006 French team around after coming out of retirement and taking them to the World Cup Finals is remarkable. Plus his performance against Brazil in the quarter-finals is probably the best individual performance I've ever seen.

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07 Jul 2019 16:15:32
Spot on, Ed re: old vs modern day fitness levels of players. Take Pele for example. You can say what you want about Pele and whether he was the greatest ever player but what you simply cannot take from him was his natural ability and most importantly, his fitness level. The guy would be a monster in today's game. Messi would not survive the era Pele played in when there was no protection from refs. Anyone remember the way he was decapitated vs Portugal in the 1966 WC? Yeah, let's see Messi survive that.

Same with Maradonna. He was almost decapitated by Claudio Gentile who literally did whatever he wanted to Diego and ref just waived play on. He then kicked out at Gentile's man jewels cos he was fed up. Diego then came back and won the WC in 1986 basically on one good ankle as the other had screws in it. Do you have to know how fit you have to be to play at the highest level in a WC on one good ankle?

As for whether Messi is the GOAT, that is just ludicrous. IMO, he is not even better than his then Barcelona team mate, a certain Andres Iniesta.

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{Ed001's Note - Iniesta I love as a player and, at his peak, he was the key to Barca's play. They are a shadow of the team they were since he has gone.}

07 Jul 2019 16:50:47
Speaking of Iniesta Ed, did you see that beauty of a goal from him I think it was last week, maybe the week before? he's still got it, bloody incredible player. Him and D. Silva are way up there with the very best for me. You're right, Barcelona just don't look the same without him, players like that aren't easy to replace and imo we'll see the same when City lose Silva.

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{Ed001's Note - I haven't seen it no. Not seen anything of him in Japan at all.}

07 Jul 2019 16:59:54
It was against Toyko I believe mate and no me either, it's not something I'll be watching anytime soon lol.

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07 Jul 2019 17:34:39
ed001 with this old vs modern day I can remember the great emlyn hughes saying, yeah we could not run like them but once we got the ball they would never get it back. the closes to the old players from are era would be paul scholes nothing like what footballers are now but was all ways in control.

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{Ed001's Note - the improved facilities etc have made the game more watchable, but they have meant kids don't have to develop the same skill level as they had to in the past.}

07 Jul 2019 21:01:59
Ed001, do you remember the absolute mailings that Pťpť had to endure? Neymar, Pogba, Suarez, Messi and the like have absolutely no idea what abuse is.

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{Ed001's Note - Pele you mean? I can remember well - particularly as I have had to listen to the story of him having to be taken off at Goodison Park for his own safety during the 66 World Cup, because it was my uncle who was the sobbing St John's lad who put the blanket round his shoulders and the pair of them went off in tears together.}

07 Jul 2019 21:38:39
Pele, yes. Thatís a great story about your uncle. Unfortunate but what a story.

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07 Jul 2019 23:38:30
What the Bulgarians, and then the Portuguese, did to Pele would be considered criminal by today's standards. No surprise Pele declared he'd never play in a World Cup again. Luckily, they got him to change his mind in 1970.

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06 Jul 2019 22:28:56
See Milner came first again today in the lactose test the guys a machine.

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07 Jul 2019 06:15:09
Maybe I was wrong in saying that next season should be his last with us. Unless Leeds come up and Milner wants to go back there, we could do much worse than keeping Milner for another season after that.
The guy's a freak in terms of fitness and stamina.

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07 Jul 2019 10:17:48
Holy cow? He won again? He amazes me on a dairy basis.

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07 Jul 2019 11:34:13
Why would they be testing for levels of lactose in players? It has nothing to do with performance.

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07 Jul 2019 16:19:02
Mattie, are you a Sports Scientist? If the answer is yes then please explain your point and enlighten us, the ignorant ones. If the answer is no then your post makes very little sense. Just saying.

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{Ed002's Note - Perhaps Liverpool test for lactose instead of Lactate Performance like the leading sides do?}

07 Jul 2019 17:37:39
Where is Zeddicus and all the lactating jokes, when you need him?

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07 Jul 2019 18:40:05
Mattie 4 maybe just maybe the fitness team knows better?

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08 Jul 2019 00:20:16
Surely testing for lactate performance is best kept to the maternity wards?

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06 Jul 2019 22:28:17
See Milner came first again today in the lactose test the guys a machine.

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07 Jul 2019 08:50:33
Can we look at the full list to see who is at the bottom. I heard Gomez was second.

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06 Jul 2019 22:08:45
As a South African I can't say I'm gutted for Mo this time around. I admit I'm also glad that he will now be back in time for the start of the season.

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07 Jul 2019 00:11:18
Percy looks ready, bit of good businessnfrom B Albon.

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07 Jul 2019 00:53:29
I think salah just needs a good rest. He looked knackered today and has done a lot of the season. Just get mane back fit thatís what I care about, heís our main man. I watched Senegal the other day and found myself cheering when they went though but didnít feel the same for Egypt and salah. Great player but I donít feel heís in it for Liverpool. If he did end up leaving I wouldnít lose any sleep.

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07 Jul 2019 04:03:41
Firmane, any time we lose a star player isn't a great moment. But like every other time, I get excited about who we may bring in!

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07 Jul 2019 08:52:18
Why would we want any of them to go regardless of who replaces them.

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07 Jul 2019 08:54:13
i agree Mane is the main man. But who can we buy to replace 34 and 22 goals with hardly any penalties? It is a almost impossible to bring in a player who would get anywhere near those numbers.

Lets say Pepe I reckon he wouldn't get 10.

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07 Jul 2019 10:18:29
Yeah it's good news for Real Madrid.

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06 Jul 2019 21:56:47
Well Mo and Egypt out of the African Nations bitter pill for the host nation to swallow but from a selfish point of view it will be good to have him back in the one piece after he has a well earned rest.

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06 Jul 2019 22:14:05
Egypt were very poor tonight and South Africa deserved the win.
Sorry for Mo but, every cloud eh.

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07 Jul 2019 09:17:03
On talksport the were saying mo for the ballon do'r if he guided Egypt to the afcon (that made me hope Egypt went out) but does that mean manŤ might land it then if Senegal win. His achievements are better than salahs this season and has been the better player come in manŤ lad hope he does.

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07 Jul 2019 16:21:43
Egypt did not create enough chances to win the game and South Africa were brave, well-drilled and waited for the right opportunity to strike and they did. Brilliant performance from them. As for Salah, he needs a rest cos he looked tired all game long.

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07 Jul 2019 23:32:12
If there's any LFC player that deserves the Ballon D'or it's VVD. Champions League Winner, PFA Player of the year, Nations League finalist. Domestic and International competitions covered.

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08 Jul 2019 00:25:36
You can even argue the same for Alisson Becker, now that he has won the CONMEBOL.

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Nemanja Matic

06 Jul 2019 20:19:57
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Nemanja Matic

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07 Jul 2019 13:56:40
Cheers Ed001, enjoyed the read.

At 30 and without a major injury it is strange how he's faded so early, he should arguably be at his peak. I've heard rumours about interest from Italy, I think he'd still do very well in Serie A.

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{Ed001's Note - glad you enjoyed mate and I agree he would be suited to the slower pace.}


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