Liverpool Banter Archive December 06 2017

06 Dec 2017 23:28:30
Just back from the match, hats off to the lads, am absolutely brilliant all round performance.

One small detail I liked tonight, don't get me wrong, it didn't pay off or happen every time, but Karius was looking to release the ball and was looking for runners at every opportunity.

Hope Moreno is ok, he seemed to be in a lot of pain.

Great night, Everton next.

{Ed0333's Note - Doesent Karius look to release the ball early at every opportunity? Just one reason why he should be given the gloves full time.

06 Dec 2017 23:37:23
A absolutely ed 333, as soon as he received the ball his first intstinct was to look up. I’d seriously give him a run of games with Ward as his back up.

{Ed0333's Note - To be honest I’d have Stephane Henchoz in goal before Migs. I think most Liverpool fans agree Migs doesn’t deserve the gloves and it’s Karius or Wards time. Shame Kloppo doesn’t see what we see.

07 Dec 2017 00:29:46
He's just prepping. Thank God him being goal for the Champions League so far has been a success. He will become our number one.

07 Dec 2017 00:48:58
Completely agree. If u watch his jumping technic for Willian's goal, it's shockingly bad : he used his left hand instead of the right as the ball was heading towards his right side so he couldn't stretch anymore. Basic staff. I'm even more shocked at our insistance with Achterberg, he should be picking those basic mistakes. And on the training videos, we can see that it's JA who is kicking the balls to the keepers. isn't it better to let to one good shooter of our team and let the goal keeper coach observe the mistakes.?

07 Dec 2017 01:22:46
karius was good tonight, except the sweeper keeper move that went wrong, but he made some decent saves, one good save. I like him, I think he will get better, the more confident he gets, that confidence will come with game time. I appreiciate what migs did last season and the important penalties he has saved but his time is up. Dudek was never given this much time and he was twice the keeper migs is, Karius for no1 it just makes sense all round.

07 Dec 2017 05:00:05
Hardly the worst sweeper keeper move we’ve seen this season 😂 Migs got very lucky when he should have been sent off against Stoke.

07 Dec 2017 13:04:07
Karius looks like a goalie, mingolet doesnt, he's awkward catching, jumping, kicking, diving.
I think there is mistakes in Karius too by the way but he needs experience, only way to get it is to play.

07 Dec 2017 13:06:17
Henchoz was a great stand in goalie! He was even 'handy' when he didn't have the gloves on ;)

06 Dec 2017 22:56:25
Oh for a 20 goal a season striker and a dm
.
Great performance by us, and to be fair Moscow weren't that bad today they pressed high up early doors and had high energy, we just blew them away.

Truly believe we are going to set a new LFC scoring record this yr (without a striker) .

07 Dec 2017 00:31:10
Is that a joke? We've got about 5 players who could get 20!

06 Dec 2017 22:40:56
From a spurs fan I think you are the best footballing side in the league to watch and I've said many of times you are a defence away from dominating this league. At the moment if you offered me the chance to watch either you, Madrid, Barcelona etc I would take Liverpool every week. As my club as gone missing in the league yet again I hope you boys push the sugar daddy clubs at the top of the league.

06 Dec 2017 22:57:49
From all us reds thanks very much raver it's nice to hear from a rival fan.

06 Dec 2017 23:53:36
Cheers raver, when your team blew us away I really thought that you were the real deal.
Time for many twists and turns yet, city seem to be running out of steam so lots to play for.

06 Dec 2017 22:04:27
Only 4 unbeaten teams left in the Champions league. Barcelona, Tottenham, Besiktas and Liverpool!

Everyone is so busy fantasizing about PSG and City that they're ignoring us. We have just broken the record for the most goals scored in a Champions League group stage by an English side. I'm glad we're getting ignored. Just cruising under the radar, quietly going about our business like good little dark horses! 😉.

06 Dec 2017 22:25:59
Are we top scorers aswell mk? On our day mk we will dispose of any of those teams in the same way imo that is.

06 Dec 2017 22:20:30
no team will want to face us, I think having the second leg at Anfield is massive irregardless of whoever we draw. I think the team I’d least want is Juventus, I know there’s Bayern and Madrid too but Madrid are either brilliant or terrible and Bayern can be got at in my opinion.

We did break the record for goals scored by an English team tonight which is great, but still 2 shy of the actual record which was set this season by PSG so I still make them the team to beat in the whole competition.

Thoroughly enjoyed watching us tonight and was willing Salah to score so much haha.

06 Dec 2017 22:30:49
Second top scorers ever, PSG first -this season!
Hats off to Spurs though, dropping two points with Dortmund and Madrid is a feat no matter how they played!

06 Dec 2017 22:20:30
no team will want to face us, I think having the second leg at Anfield is massive irregardless of whoever we draw. I think the team I’d least want is Juventus, I know there’s Bayern and Madrid too but Madrid are either brilliant or terrible and Bayern can be got at in my opinion.

We did break the record for goals scored by an English team tonight which is great, but still 2 shy of the actual record which was set this season by PSG so I still make them the team to beat in the whole competition.

Thoroughly enjoyed watching us tonight and was willing Salah to score so much haha.

06 Dec 2017 22:39:53
One game at a time all, we play who we draw and use the crowd to the advantage.

Hats of to PC tonight unbelivable performance.

06 Dec 2017 22:40:26
A 7-0 win is not under the radar mate!

06 Dec 2017 22:43:37
Hey Mk, I am not sure we under the radar now. I think it would be a 50-50 fight with City. Its been 9 years since we got to the later stages of the CL, a big shock to me when I heard it. I really hope we become a regular again.

A big mention for

Moreno - our second best player this season, I hope its not as bad as it looks.

Firmino (spelt right for a change) perfect game for him. Didn't put a foot wrong in the first half. Second half he was still working more than the rest and I was screaming for Klopp to take him off. For once he took him off at the nearly the right time. 70 minutes would be my default postion to take him off in every game. Klopp must manage him better.

Mane - not playing his best, he is searching for his top form but he has so much quality that he still has a big effect on the game. When he hits his top form the rest of the teams better watch out.

06 Dec 2017 22:44:10
Yeah firmane hats of to spurs but to be honest a don't fear playing any team.

07 Dec 2017 01:00:52
It was an excellent performance but let’s be honest, we drew twice against Sevilla and only beat two sides we were expected to beat with ease.

Looking at how we played vs better sides this season it’s not like we should be getting carried away. Long way to go yet and I’d still rank us underdogs vs at least half the teams that are left.

06 Dec 2017 21:56:53
All you idiots that were calling for Klopp’s head (Harry and the like) hang your heads in shame. Yes we will have bad spells and results but this team is on to something really special.

06 Dec 2017 22:08:05
Agree somewhat. BUT let's not use a good result to poke at each other. Let's just enjoy it!

If we'd lost 7-0, we wouldn't be happy if the glass half empty brigade came on here shouting their mouths off. I've been in your corner, and I love your positivity, Ings. Stay humble though buddy.

06 Dec 2017 22:15:52
Yeah am with mk there let's keep the positivity going ings without needing to call others idiots pal, but your entitled to be over joyed buddy.

06 Dec 2017 22:16:08
I can stay humble MK but it’s frustrating when our own fans can’t wait for us to lose so they can say I told you so. Harry is the worst culprit closely followed by Mr Dennis.
How many 7-0 or 7-1 scorelines do you see in the CL? Not many! And we’ve done it in 1 season! Just give Klopp time to get his players in defensively and we will be a force. We already are!

06 Dec 2017 22:28:47
100% with you there ings al say it agen we as good as any other team in Europe on our day, the speed and accuracy that we breakaway with is simply breathtaking mate.

06 Dec 2017 22:45:34
Opinions and frustration are often hard to contain on the back of a poor result. We are all on this journey together let's enjoy the good times which are all the sweeter for the bad ones experienced.

Onwards and upwards.

06 Dec 2017 23:17:28
I am definitely a glass half empty, I prefer realist. let's not go overboard. You don't want people coming on here after an average performance saying this and that. LFC were great today but its a very long season and most of the cracks are still there. The cracks are just not getting tested by the opposition at the moment.

06 Dec 2017 21:37:35
Ray Houghton was doing commentary for RTE, summed it up nicely at 5-0:

"Do you remember the Harlem Globetrotters? "

06 Dec 2017 21:36:30
Absolute load of rubbish Liverpool are midfield are crap, we don't have a 20 goal a season hitman, the defence a waste of space. Oh hold on another game we won 7 zip but can imagine the likes of harry and co will still have something negative about the t.

06 Dec 2017 21:01:52
I bet the people moaning about coutino been captain won't be moaning now you can't set more of an example than a hat trick as captain get off his back an remember what he has done for us.

06 Dec 2017 21:44:40
The thing is mate we could win 10 zip and harry and co will still be out bashing the team! The truth is on our day we will hammer any team we come up against weather it's city real, psg. Yes we might not be as consistent as we'd like but that will change as soon as we get our first bit silverware, so for having a defence that are a waste of time, a nonexistent midfield and a false nine that doesn't score enough or do enough to be on the verge of a top top player then a think we are doing mighty fine. However the bitches will tell you we got lucky unfortunately come on the mighty reds YNWL.

06 Dec 2017 21:58:34
Exactly! I hate all off the ‘nobody is bigger than the club’ BS nobody has ever said Coutinho Is bigger than the club! Play like this more regularly and we might give the lad a reason to want to stay, you get nowhere selling your best players, we do the same thing every few seasons ‘I don’t want want suarez he's not bigger than the club’ he goes we take 4 steps back, we did the same when Torres left it took us time to get back to where we were, keep your better players improve the team and try convince your best players to stay. THE lads played great today it looked so easy and natural at times it was scary. Hope Moreno is okay and gets fit soon, a real example of where hard work can get you.

06 Dec 2017 22:32:23
Does it really mater who worse the armband behind hendo Milner and mignolet?

07 Dec 2017 13:02:14
To be fair Barnesy, we didn't go backwards when Torres left, as Suarez came in (ignore the whole Carroll thing! ), we won a cup the following season (our only trophy in 11 years), and then followed Sturridge and Coutinho.

We definitely suffered when Suarez left, and we would've been lost without Gerrard from the time he became our captain.

Our problem has been that we have relied on one or two key players in the last 15 years or so - Gerrard and Owen, Gerrard and Alonso, Gerrard and Torres, Suarez etc. Whilst I don't want to lose Coutinho, we are more than a 1/ 2 player team now, we have talent all over the middle/ front of the park (notable omissions at the back! ), and, although he is not the same type of player, we have Keita already lined up for next summer, who will again move us on. I'm also keen to see how Lallana could play in the advanced midfield role that Couts is playing at the moment, with MSF in front of him.

I honestly feel that, this time, when Couts eventually goes, we won't suffer the same dip we saw post Suarez. We are (more often than not) greater than the sum of our parts.

06 Dec 2017 18:55:39
To me, on current form, the lineup tonight is our strongest! Could argue for hendo in for can or gini. Can in for his physicality and although gini has been quiet of late he's an all rounder and hopefully wakes up tonigh!
Come on lads!

06 Dec 2017 22:00:18
I wouldn’t argue for Henderson over can, gini maybe though.

06 Dec 2017 22:44:03
Still?

06 Dec 2017 16:46:48
Just to clean up the post on Liverpool page, I've put this on the other pages lads.
Hi boys. So on the Liverpool page we've started a thread about a charity football match in the summer of 2018, held in the midlands.
Eds 1 and 2 will be the arm chair managers of the two teams in which we will aim to live stream the match on the sites.
There will be a cut off after the first 50 entries, at which point the usernames will be passed onto the eds for them to pick their teams (15 each)
It will be £35 per player, so we raise over a thousand pounds for the eds charities.
If interested, please email benjaminallen1991@hotmail. co. uk and include
Real name
Username
Age
Position
1 strength
1 weakness

get in touch asap.

Cheers.

06 Dec 2017 17:46:23
Absolutely terrific idea! Cheers to the folks organizing this. It exemplifies the value of this site. Its so much more than a forum, its a community!

06 Dec 2017 20:35:43
Any rough idea of a date? I'll be back in the UK mid next year and would love to show you all how good I was ☺.

06 Dec 2017 20:48:05
Hello Benny, beautiful idea as BR would say. I was guessing if it's possible to create 3 to 4 teams for several matches (winner stays and the team with most wins gets the trophy from the eds. ) .

06 Dec 2017 22:02:14
I won’t Be able to attend but so long as the charity is an agreeable cause I’ll be more than happy to donate, good luck fellas and have fun!

06 Dec 2017 13:36:43
With all 5 English teams hopefully qualifying this can only be good news regarding the premiership keeping 4 teams in the tournament. Am I right?

06 Dec 2017 13:56:14
It should do our coefficient no harm! I still thing we need to aim for 2 teams in the semis though.

06 Dec 2017 14:08:41
I thought the coefficient malarky had stopped, and England was now guaranteed 4 places in the CL no matter what.

06 Dec 2017 14:25:38
Considering Everton's Europa League 'performance', it certainly was required that we all did a decent job.

06 Dec 2017 15:07:30
Bloody hell fella’s, ever heard of tempting fate?!

06 Dec 2017 17:04:27
Im pretty sure Nick is right, we have a permanent 4 spots.

06 Dec 2017 11:09:57
Its no secret we need a new Centre back. But some of the names being mentioned don't make sense to me.

We are definatly going to need to spend big and make this a priority, But that really doesn't mean to buy a big name.

We need a cb who is a leader for a start so while dayot? and manolas are very good are they leaders/ organisers? is de vrij?

We need someone who knows what there doing who can walk into our defence and lead it, A sort of captain of the defence like sakho was.

Most cb's of this quality will not be for sale unless we go as big as the neymar fee. but there is 1 in my opinion who is all of those things and not as expensive.

Soi take my hat off to MK scouser who has been banging the drum of Ben Gibson for a long time now. no he isn't a fancy name, but he is a leader who will keep his cb partner on his toes just like carra did, And i think he would partner de vrij really well as long as karius/ ward is in goal.

What do you reds think. Surely a leader is one of the most important qualities we need now.

{Ed002's Note - The club has players in mind and certainly there is no centre back that will be costing anything like the fee that was paid for Neymar. You need to forget the financial matters completely.}

06 Dec 2017 11:25:11
Sorry ed i didn't mean any centre back, i was referring to the top centre backs like varane who will cost quite a lot for real to even consider selling, a lot of the players we are looking at won't cost that but not very many are leaders either.

{Ed002's Note - You are a million miles away with your ideas about costs.}

06 Dec 2017 11:47:42
Completely agree mate. There are lots of good leaders about but it is a quality which seems to have been consigned to being a thing of the past. Everyone wants fast ball playing centre backs nowadays. Mertesacker can't get a game for Arsenal but every time he plays Arsenal look more solid.

Though i will add, De Vrij is very much a leader. He was captain of Feynoord at about 20 years old, and he calls the shots in his Lazio backline.

Gibson does seem to have lost his way a bit this season, but put him next to a player like Matip or Lovren who have ability but no intelligence, and i personally think Gibson would thrive. He's wasted in the Championship. He isn't alone though. The Wolves, Cardiff and Barnsley captains are all very solid defensive leaders. Even in the Premier League you have Mee, Lascelles and Evans who are all excellent leaders at the back, but go completely undet the radar.

It's a travesty. British football has tried so hard to mimic it's exotic counterparts, that it has forgotten it's roots. We've long produced some of the best centre backs in the game. Just 15 years ago we had Adams, Keown, Terry, Campbell, Ferdinand, Carragher and King. Now look at it. Stones, Maguire and Keane? But at least they can pass out from the back, right?

It's a massive shame. The art of defending is generally lost on the top of the European game. Wing backs, sweeper keepers, deep lying playmakers and ball playing centre backs are the new order. It's exciting, but it not good for the heart when you're watching your own team!

06 Dec 2017 12:33:00
Germany Italy pretty much changed the game with regards to defending, they are solid, can play out of from the back, just because the current crop of English CB have not been great doesn’t mean we are trying to continentalise our selves. We rely too much on this belief in ‘heart’ and ‘bravery’ when in reality if we embraced more aspects for European defending perhaps we’d do better in European competitions instead of turning to stoke like tactics. If the art of defending is taking the ball and the man it’s no wonder we’re so far behind the top nations.

06 Dec 2017 12:37:31
Mk, I have kept an eye out for Ben Gibson, since he dropped down a division, one thing, is that he doesn't seem to miss a game, he is a Leader, solid, he would have jumped at the move to Liverpool, not sure that he has the class for us, but he would be an improvement on what we have right now .

06 Dec 2017 13:48:03
Barnes, the art of defending is keeping the ball out of your net. Therefore traits such as heart, desire, leadership, tactical awareness, bravery etc are always going to be more valuable than pace and being good on the ball.

Italy and Germany are shocking examples. The last Germany team to win anything had Per Mertesacker leading the defence. Also, Portugal won the last tournament with Carvalho, Pepe and Fonte.

The best defensive club teams in Europe last season were Juventus who had Chiellini and Barzagli, and Athletico who had Godin.

English football has this ridiculous habit of trying so hard to replicate the success of European football, that it is forgetting what allowed us to compete with them. Sometimes you need a Carragher to just stick the boot in and deliberately follow through. All the best teams win trophies consistently with a pure defender. Real Madrid have gone to pieces without Pepe at the back. Varane and Ramos are better players on paper, but they don't defend with as much passion or intelligence and that has made Real Madrid soft.

We will never know if some of our more pure defenders in the Championship would've been good enough, because everybody is too focused on the ball playing centre back (who got caught out of position and rushed back to make a highlight reel sliding tackle) . Nobody cares about the guy who just stayed in position and made a solid tackle without going to ground. It's not exciting.

06 Dec 2017 13:56:41
ED2 do you still think Liverpool vastly overpaid for Firmino? Not starting beef, just curious.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool paid €16M more than his release clause which no one else would pay. You do the math.}

06 Dec 2017 14:05:30
Didn't know that ED2 which is why I asked, I only knew you said they overpaid.

{Ed002's Note - so there we go.}

06 Dec 2017 14:14:20
we overpayed but thankfully for us he's been a success. Mane and Salah seemed a lot of money at the time but again it's worked out for us. On the flip side we have markivic who cost a bundle and was never really used the same seems to be happening with Robertson, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

06 Dec 2017 15:05:49
Gibson may be a leader but he is definitely a poor defender.
Forget watching him in the championship he was rubbish in the premier league- always out of position, following the ball not anticipating and often beaten in the air.

He has found his level and is not a premier league defender AT ALL.

06 Dec 2017 15:44:49
Hey Ron. Completely disagree that he was always out of position and lacking anticipation. I won't argue that he loses a lot of aerial duels though. It's one of his blind spots. Though it's worth nothing the man he marks rarely scores because he does enough to make the header difficult for them.

I don't think he is a great individual, but he does get the best out of those around him. The main risk would be that Middlesbrough play a deep and narrow defence. Therefore he is rarely isolated against an attacker. It's impossible to know how he'd cope with being isolated in a team playing more expansively. He'd either sink or float.

06 Dec 2017 17:41:43
Every time I watched him I thought his positioning was awful.
IMO he'd sink like a concrete elephant. At very best he's a big big risk which automatically rules him out for me.

We need confident and competent defenders to improve IMO.

06 Dec 2017 18:30:12
Shawcross is an example of what people would call and English’s defender, clumsy, not intelligent enough to make up for his lack of positional sense, even lovren can be quite physical. I think it’s players for systems but there is no denying that the more continental style is the more successful system, having a dog at the back works if you have players around then to do the fancy work. I think it’s more about the partnership than one being dogged, Pepe was class with Ramos a great partnership, would Pepe and matip work even half as good? Puyol and pique, one of each but puyol had a good brain on him, partnership worked great, but it’s finding the right partnership. People forget that def lender need ton have a brain too, the amount of concentration it take so to be positionally aware and prepared for 90 minutes is a lot, something our defenders lack. A hard dogged defender would only work well if we had that comfortable player who can step out and rely on the other player being able to cover him/ sweep up. Has anybody seen enough of Masterson to give a real non biased opinion because sadly I haven’t for the past few months and so can’t really say, does he have a future here or another jay spearing?

06 Dec 2017 18:34:07
If we do sign someone in Jan then I hope we don’t write them off if they have an initial shocker especially if he is bought in from abroad, look at Vidic as an example struggled a bit initially but had the right mentality to succeed in the long term. Nowadays your written off after 2 bad games but whoever we bring in may need some time to adjust to the demands of the league.

06 Dec 2017 10:42:39
Ed2 .......

{Ed002's Note - It is just a random player - this is the Liverpool page.}

06 Dec 2017 14:52:32
It wasn't at all apparently we are interested in him, just asking a question.

{Ed002's Note - Repost it then and I will explain what his agent said last week.}