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22 Jun 2018 16:08:14
Don't know if this has been asked before but I wanted to ask. Ed 01 what is your opinion on Henderson? He seems to divide opinion, even among Liverpool fans. Personally I think he is a very good player he has just been unlucky with injuries.


{Ed001's Note - I like him, he is positionally sound, has an excellent range of passing and the vision to spot the passes. He does the dirty work off the ball well, cutting off passing lanes etc. Trouble is that he has lost a lot of pace and is clearly hampered by the injuries. Technically he is sound, one of the best players at the club in terms of first touch. He does lack composure in the box (though that is not a big issue in his current role) and he does need to trust his passing more and take more chances.}

1.) 22 Jun 2018 16:35:13
Well said Ed. I really like Hendo and always have done. Let's hope he can stay fit next season and prove his doubters wrong, with Fabinho and Keita I see him being better then ever!

2.) 22 Jun 2018 17:06:39
Hendo is a top lad and I can see us playing some games with him, Keita and Fabinho in midfield we’ll have a midfield that can dominate games.

3.) 22 Jun 2018 16:54:55
Didn't Hendo win Liverpool's beep challenge last summer? Or was it the summer before that?

Has it been this season that his pace has really dropped?

Totally agree though ed01, I can't understand people who don't see it. Not all players in hendo's role can pass the ball at his level. Don't get me wrong, there are loads but it's not the priority asset for that role.

He had the hardest mantle to pick up. A different player from Gerrard, and not in his league to be fair (not many are) but still an excellent player. Liverpool don't get silly red cards anymore, mane, but that was bollox, and I think that has something to do with our captain and the highly professional atmosphere our manager and staff have created.

After Gerrard left we needed someone to step up and be the player that stitches the team together, knits the play, dictates from deep and switches the ball. His technique is better than a lot of people give him credit for. Watch his first touches, always seems to put it just where he needs it to be to allow himself the best possible chance to play the right ball. People say he passes sideways, of course he does. He's got a brain. He knows by switching he is dragging that defence back and forth, keeping them moving, wearing them out and creating the gaps for Firmino and co to exploit. Bobby gets a lot of credit, and rightly so, for the work he does for the team. Hendo may be a little more subtle but make no mistake, Hendo works his socks off for the team, foregoing the glory to get the win.

Look at his first deep pass for England the other night. Typical Hendo whip, curling it right into Ali? Or was it lingard? And almost creating a goal if not for woeful finishing. Was it sideways? No, it was a classy forward pass that required vision, technique and timing.

I realised today that Hendo is never linked to other clubs these days in summer. Not trying to jinx it, it's surprising. He is one of the best cms on the Premier league. Top 20 in Europe for me. People wonder where he will fit in with our new signings, if he is fit he will be in the team, don't doubt it for a second.

Imagine we were just signing Hendo, we would be chuffed. I really hope he can stay fit for us coz I guarantee he can adapt his game if he has lost a bit of pace but a not as fast Hendo is still quicker than many.

{Ed001's Note - beep challenge is stamina not pace.}

4.) 22 Jun 2018 17:10:13
I think one reason that will make every manager love Henderson is his work ethic and that he gives his all every game. As Ed said, there are many excellent technical attributes that makes him a very good asset to Liverpool and many of which have been discussed over previously. One negative I notice of his game is that he is slightly more conservative and may be underrates his own passing range and takes just a tad too long to pass it to spaces forward. Or may be the fear of conceding possession in areas backed up by a not so reliable defence may be a contributing factor. But he often does the dirty work and in our system, it surely outweighs this negative aspect of his in my opinion.

5.) 22 Jun 2018 17:12:05
Up until this coming season, Hendo has made the team better when he has been part of it. That should speak volumes.

With Fabinho, in particular, coming in, perhaps that means we'll see less of him - but I still think he is a very important player. One of my favorites in the team and just doesn't get the credit.

6.) 22 Jun 2018 17:21:34
Oh OK ed01, that's good to know he has the stamina still, so important for that role. And there's Wiltshire smoking 20 a day and pretending he is in Jordans league.

{Ed001's Note - I think he meant he was up to the level of the Jordanian League.}

7.) 22 Jun 2018 17:54:36
Lol, Wiltshire would still struggle in the Jordanian league. He has talent but without the professionalism and effort it will count for little.

Take Ronnie o'sullivan, loads of talent but didn't win anywhere near as many tournaments in his younger days as he should have. Sorted his head out, knuckled down and he is unreal. Not saying Wiltshire is a genius or anything but he has squandered his gift, let himself down. And the career of the footballer is a lot shorter than the career of the snooker player.

I wonder if he found the right manager, if he exists! Who could get the best out of him. If he could then he could still do something.

{Ed001's Note - not convinced he had that much of a gift. He was nothing special just hype.}

8.) 22 Jun 2018 18:21:30
I don't think any manager can get the best out of him PH because it doesn't exist mate lol.

9.) 22 Jun 2018 19:17:49
Hendo is underestimated and when he's fired up as strong as an Ox - the city game in the CL I swear he didn't lose a header or 50:50 all game.

10.) 22 Jun 2018 19:19:55
I agree with lfcdas, I sometimes get the feeling Henderson doubts himself sometimes but I think his decision making is getting better as he matures. In the England game, it may have been that early pass, I can't remember but he received the ball, lush first touch, got it out of his feet and was going to pass sideways but he checked at the last minute, put his head up and played a nice forward pass 20/ 30 yards. I think he worries about people saying the sideways thing, or maybe he thought he'd just mix it up, catch Tunisia sleeping.

He speaks really well, it's not easy with a camera in your face but he goes beyond the cliches and gives the fans an honest, well structured response. He's one of the best talkers actually. If he doesn't go into management he would make a good pundit I reckon. Needs a major trophy to his name. If there's a player in the prem who deserves a few more medals it's JH. He'll get one next year, im so confident.

Ucl would be nice, the prem, fa cup too. I'd be happy if we won the europa league but I doubt we'll qualify for it, can't see us making ucl final again next year but then again, it's not like we fluked it. We hammered everyone. Prem next year.

11.) 22 Jun 2018 19:41:53
Yeah the CL game at home firmane? He was bang on it eh. So unselfish.

12.) 22 Jun 2018 20:07:46
You know what, in all honesty, I have rarely seen Wiltshire shine, I've rarely seen him score! Jeez I've rarely seen him play!

I mean, he does have something, he should be able to forge a career in the Premier league. I think he'll play for some one next year, in mid table team, it won't work out. He'll join a struggling premiership team. Get relegated and it'll be good bye Jack Wiltshire. He'll never claw his way out of the championship. Quite honestly. Who cares?

13.) 22 Jun 2018 21:45:46
I remember years ago when Wilshire broke thtough, being laughed out of a pub for saying him and hendo could be the england midfield for years to come. Henderson is quality.

14.) 22 Jun 2018 21:50:37
I love Henderson he is quality. Runs his socks off for us. Strong and vocal. He's captain for Liverpool and doing a very good job and deserves more praise. I just miss his runs in to box and his shots. I agree he needs to have more trust in his abilities. He still having that problem with his foot? Love a workhorse. Just like kuyt.

15.) 23 Jun 2018 14:07:21
Too right magico.

16.) 22 Jun 2018 17:45:09
Ed25, what are your thoughts on this?

{Ed025's Note - even though im not his biggest fan Mc i have to say he has been one of englands better players, creativity has been a big problem with this squad recently and jordan has certainly stepped up to the plate, im not sure if that reveals how poor the rest are or that hes better than i thought though mate..



26 May 2018 13:45:19
Does anyone know what time the build up starts tonight? Haven't been able to find it online.


1.) 26 May 2018 13:57:50
It started about two weeks ago!

2.) 26 May 2018 14:14:18
Yes this is true haha. What a long 2 weeks it has been as well.

3.) 26 May 2018 15:18:44
But sport are streaming the game live online, free. There is loads on their website about the game but build up starts at 6 I think.



10 May 2018 10:33:20
With the world cup coming up I thought I would get people's opinions as to why England never perform on the international stage. Is it a lack of playing time together? A lack of motivation? Or just not having good enough players?


1.) 10 May 2018 11:06:21
They have an easy qualifying phase and never get tested. That’s just one of the reasons imo. It’s probably why lesser teams do better in the tournament- they’re for lack of a better term, match fit while England who are better on paper are blown away by the improved competition.

2.) 10 May 2018 11:09:23
Because the majority of English players that get selected are over hyped and are pretty average. For me it goes all the way to the youth set up, in this country big and strong comes before technical ability and until that is sorted out England teams will be poor. As I think Ed001 pointed out the other day, the reason the England youth teams have done so well lately is because they could physically bully their opponents but once they step up to the senior game they can no longer use this attribute and they have to learn the game again.

3.) 10 May 2018 11:25:37
This is a Liverpool forum 🤣👍.

4.) 10 May 2018 11:51:21
It varies from generation to generation. Sometimes it's average to poor management. Sometimes it's a lack of team cohesion. Right now? Our players just simply aren't particularly good - of the 27 players available for the last round of friendlies I'd say at a push, 8 of them would stand a chance of selection by any of France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Brazil or Argentina. Even for the second tier teams like Portugal, Italy, Netherlands etc would select no more than half of that squad. It's a poor quality squad at the moment, simple as.

5.) 10 May 2018 12:07:23
England have certainly under performed but possibly by less than you'd think.

Based on our population size and our football infrastructure we should probably be a top 10 side which means that the QFs should be our basic target and if you look at our history that's generally what we achieve (with some standard deviation) .

The country we should most compare ourselves to is Spain, they have a similar population and football culture. Up until 2008 their History was worse than ours. The difference is they made the most of their 'golden generation' whilst we squandered ours.

I think our biggest problem is our failure to produce a world class star, a Ronaldo type, who scares other teams and can win a game from nothing, someone who can lift a decent team into a great one.

6.) 10 May 2018 13:22:28
At least the FA appointed a manager with a proven track record. oops wait.

7.) 10 May 2018 13:49:20
I think it’s three things

1) the coaching isn’t world class

2) the team isn’t as good as Brazil, Germany, Spain and France. look at their sides and bench

3) most importantly, the players don’t often fit together all that well. Many Brazilians play a very similar style, likewise Germany, but England has a wide variety of players playing different styles all the way from Liverpool/ Man City and a fluid attacking system through to pragmatic Chelsea and Man Ute, and down to the Tony Pulis inspired defensive defensive block. Given they have very little time to gel, they almost never look a cohesive unit.

Personally I think they’d do a lot better picking a progressive coach like Eddie Howe, building a cohesive style of play (like liverpool) and picking the right kind of players to play that style. If they can’t play the system, they aren’t picked regardless of form. For example (biased of course) i think the midfield would be a lot stronger just picking Hendo, Milner and Ox who play a similar pressing game than then trying to shoe horn in Dele Ali who functions without having to do those hard yards because he has Dembele and Dier behind him. Don’t even start on Wiltshire. Having a constent style of play and players that understand and fit that system is far more important to getting results than individual talent, which is why we get beat by so called lessor sides more often than we should.

8.) 10 May 2018 14:45:20
SG, one thing I'd say about Southgate is that he's decided on a style of play and is picking the players that suit it best.

It may not be revolutionary but it feels like progress.

9.) 10 May 2018 16:26:31
The players aren't that good, good early coaching at grassroots level for youngsters is miles behind the continent (in terms of quantity of coaches), there is a result at all costs mentality in much of youth football which hinders development, there is still an emphasis on physique which, as they mature, reveals them to be bang average. In short a smaller pool of genuine quality to pick from due to poor infrastructure from the grassroots up means we simply don't have loads of great players and, thanks to the FA and their antiquated approach, no chance of any sort of forward-thinking, quality coach getting the job either.

10.) 10 May 2018 16:55:30
Fair point Putney, Southgate hasn't done too badly but I still worry players are likely to be picked on name at the WC. He'd do better with backing a few youngsters like Lingard over the likes of Wilshere.

Actually I probably missed biggest problem at this WC for England is likely the be the lack of midfielders. Hendo looks the only obvious pick, and then maybe Lingard. Dier and Wilshere are awful. Ali has lost form and Lallana, Ox injured and Milner retired.

Compare that to France with Kante, Pogba, Matuidi, Rabiot, Fekir. and even after those I'd still probably pick Nzonzi, Sidibe, Lemar and Coman over almost anyone but Hendo.

11.) 10 May 2018 17:48:19
SGred one point I picked up on was your comment about picking more youngsters like Lingard over Wilshere, you realise these guys are born in the same year with only 10months between them. If ones not classed as a youngster neither should the other be.

12.) 11 May 2018 05:19:22
Fair point - didn’t realize Wilshere was that young. I probably just assumed older as his career seems to have peaked and on the way down and he’s constantly injured. Lingard’s on an upward trajectory, he’s just being played because Mourinho doesn’t like anyone under 30! Rashford and Lingard should be the bright young up and coming stars but they hardly ever get played.



04 Apr 2018 16:30:25
What's the best site to try and stream the game tonight? Come on you reds!


1.) 04 Apr 2018 16:47:00
Download an app on computer called acestream. Then check for links on reddit. com/ soccerstreams. Check YouTube on how to use the app.

It's simple once you figure it out and you get HD streams.

2.) 04 Apr 2018 17:12:53
BT Sports hahahahhaa.

3.) 04 Apr 2018 17:30:41
Yeah bt sport I didn't think of that ;)



24 Dec 2017 18:09:12
Ojo's loan spell seems to be going well. Do any of the eds know what the plan is for him after the loan? Will he have a place in the squad?


{Ed002's Note - There won’t be a plan.}

1.) 24 Dec 2017 23:11:57
I hope to see more of him when he returns but I fear we won't, it seems so difficult for youngsters to progress at our club. I hope I'm wrong of course, I really like Ojo and have done for some time now, he deserves his chance with us, he has so much potential, give him his go.

2.) 25 Dec 2017 05:58:13
Wilson go leave, Ojo to get a chance in preseason to prove himself as a squad player on the wing, and Woodburn to develop into a midfield attacking role like Lallana or Coutinho IMO.

3.) 25 Dec 2017 15:04:52
Wishful thinking thinking Liverpool have a plan for the loanees. Should know by now we ship them out with no real focus on the future.




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09 May 2018 12:47:54
Ok thanks.




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09 May 2018 11:44:10
Is the other side arsenal ed02?


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11 Jan 2018 00:52:46
Teams have had half a season already to figure him out. Why should next season be any different? Hopefully he keeps it up.




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30 Jul 2017 18:32:21
Just read that TAA is training seperately to everyone else on a specific program to make sure he's in prime condition. I would assume that means Klopp is looking to him for rb. Although he could turn to Milner still obviously. Personally think TAA deserves a chance.




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12 Jun 2015 11:07:18
Is kovacic open to a move then? I read earlier that he said he was 100% committed to inter.


{Ed001's Note - yes.}




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30 Aug 2018 18:40:12
Are you sure you're a Liverpool fan Harry? You realise we have only strengthened the team that got to the champions league final last season? If we play as well as we can we can beat anyone in our group.




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07 Aug 2018 16:10:33
What was the actual reason behind the shorter window ed?


{Ed002's Note - There was a proposal to end the transfer window before the start of the season and more than the required 70 percent of PL sides agreed.}



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11 Jul 2018 11:29:25
Hopefully he will realise this may be one of his last chances at a so called "big club" and grasp the opportunity.




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01 Jun 2018 21:55:36
Life has thrown him some lemons recently. He's dropped them all.




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26 May 2018 14:14:18
Yes this is true haha. What a long 2 weeks it has been as well.