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26 Sep 2017 10:16:58
ed02, like your honesty, even if it isn't always what we want to hear/ read
a questions if I may, haven' seen it so if I missed it, just reply rtfp. you think Mane will go next summer? why and where do you think he will go?


{Ed002's Note - There was interest in Sadio Mane this summer from Inter Milan and he is a consideration for Real Madrid going forward - but they have another player or two in mind more immediately. Don't be surprised to see interest from Barcelona. As to whether or not he will move, Liverpool will certainly want to hold on to him but he, like others, will be attracted by the chance to challenge at the highest-level and will want to consider his options - so I think there is perhaps a chance he will go.}

1.) 26 Sep 2017 10:45:26
thanks for the swift reply.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

2.) 26 Sep 2017 13:12:02
I think we need to accept that the vast majority of players want to play at the very highest level and if they are good enough then there will be interest in them from the very best teams.

To avoid such things happening we need to be challenging for honours every year, domestic and european.

It is very rare that the best players will want to leave the best clubs and will generally only happen when there are other situations going on in the background. Costa leaving Chelsea and Neymar leaving Barcelona being two examples.

To get the best players and keep the best players you need to be towards the very top of the pyramid, at the moment we aren't. Hopefully that can change.

3.) 26 Sep 2017 13:34:02
RedDawn is 100% right. The way to combat our best players wanting to play at the top is to be legitimate challengers for the top and to give them in Liverpool what they believe they can get elsewhere i. e. a full trophy cabinet.

4.) 26 Sep 2017 15:00:01
And big wages. sadly.

5.) 26 Sep 2017 15:22:57
Brilliant so a chance Mane could go to Barcelona but I suppose they want to play at the top. I just hope that we don't turn into a feeder club.

6.) 26 Sep 2017 18:25:47
Big salaries will often do the trick.
Prime example is De Gea and Rooney at United.

When Rooney was playing well in a not so great United side, City came sniffing around and they offered him. A new contract reported at £300k per week.

De Gea is one of the best keepers around IMO, United paying him huge wages.

7.) 28 Sep 2017 15:13:58
To challenge year in year out, you need to compete with the bank rolled super rich ownership structures. Unfortunately buying success is the current method ruining football and FSG aren't in the same bracket. One needs to spend $300m in today's market just to keep pace. If we could get lucky with a few players all hitting career best form at the same time, few injuries and a bit of good fortune we could challenge for a season or two, until the squad is cherry picked by Barce or RM. Sad but true. I think trying to outspend is pointless, just keep bringing new blood focussing on quality not quantity as there are enough decent players out there but we need to find them first, then it's just 11 v 11 on match day.
PS. Still think Liverpool need a gun striker first and foremost. Goals cure everything!

8.) 02 Oct 2017 06:46:15
Bigger problem for LFC is that the EPL is the hardest league to get champions league every year, the likes of Chelsea and Man U have missed out in recent times. The 2 Spanish clubs aren't going to any time soon. Ultimately if a player wants the guaranteed by default route rather than being part of the reason for getting UCL then do you want to spend large sums of money to keep them.




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02 Nov 2017 10:45:06
lads, would you be happy with hendo naby and lallana/ oxlade as our midfield next season? I assume Can and coutinho are off.


1.) 02 Nov 2017 11:06:56
If they left, I'd like a proper dm with Keita and one other at the side, say gini. Then lallana hendo grujic can switch in and out.

2.) 02 Nov 2017 11:23:48
No. I have backed Klopp and Hendo throughout this experiment, but it hasn't worked out. I want the club to act on the interest in Obiang. Then we can have Obiang sitting, With Keita, Gini, Lallana and Hendo competing for the two positions ahead of him. Grujic is being trained to play the holding role in the u23's and it looks like it suits him so he can cover Obiang in the deeper role if required.

Chamberlain can cover injuries in the more attacking roles, but he is a winger by trade and should be focused on fighting for Mane's place. Mane has started picking up injuries far too regularly and there is serious interest in him from Europe, so the Ox may have a real chance at making that position his own if he can just add some goals to his game. I don't want him side tracked by a desperate attempt to shoe horn him into midfield. He's looked good going forward in the last few games. Square pegs go in square holes. Even if (touch wood) we can keep hold of Mane, the Ox should be putting pressure on him and Salah to perform. With Keita on his way, we have enough in midfield.

A midfield of Henderson sitting, with Keita and Ox ahead of him is 2 players out of their natural position. Not for me. It is too risky, especially considering Keita is a bit of a hot head. If he got his marching orders, do you have faith in Henderson and Ox to stay in relative control of a football match?

Can and Coutinho are definitely off, but if we got in Obiang and Keita i don't think we'd miss them. Keita is at the heart of every Leipzig attack, and Obiang is easily better than Can at protecting the defence. Additionally, Henderson needs to be pushed further forward where his pressing is effective, instead of just leaving a gap in front of the defence.

Klopp and Hendo have to accept that their little experiment didn't work out, for the good of the club, and Chamberlain needs to accept he is a very good winger who could make a name for himself there if he stays focused.

3.) 02 Nov 2017 11:58:04
Good piece MK. Not for the first time I agree with your comments, mate.

4.) 02 Nov 2017 12:37:49
Agree Mk.

5.) 02 Nov 2017 12:37:57
Great one, MK. Obiang is the one we should be going after. The Hendo experiment should be done away with. With Naby coming in along with Lallana/ Hendo, we need a true DM to protect the CB's and defence. We were seriously interested in Obiang and we need to get him in. Or we can get Nzonzi who plays in a similar high press system at Seville. Klopp has shown that he can learn from his mistakes and tweak his system to suit the PL. Not playing with a true DM in such an open system has not worked so he has to adapt to that and get one in. A midfield of Obiang/ N'Zonzi, Hendo/ Lallana and Naby would be a good first choice three in CM with Wiji, Grujic, Woodie and Ox as depth.

6.) 02 Nov 2017 13:00:51
Agreed Loris. That midfield looks so much more solid in my opinion. Henderson/ Lallana are both very good players around the edge of the box with link up play and delicate touches. Plus they are intelligent when pressing.

However the midfield is light weight and unbalanced, which will be even more of an issue when Can and Coutinho go. I can see Keita really taking our team by the balls and making it his own with Coutinho not there though. He loves running at teams, his vision is superb, he presses like a man possessed, and he scores and creates goals. He is exactly the kind of dynamic midfielder we've missed since we lost Gerrard. He will want to be the driving force of our midfield and with Coutinho there, i think they would get in each others way, even though they play in totally different styles. They both follow the ball and demand it off their team mates.

If we had Keita/ Gini driving us forward and Lallana/ Hendo pressing though, we would need an intelligent, more defensive player behind. Obiang or N'Zonzi would be my picks as well.

I'm really hoping Woodburn is given chances though over the next few years. In 2 or 3 years time he should be knocking Hendo/ Lallana out of the team. I don't know why we would want to sign Brandt or Meyer when Woodburn has as much potential as them and won't sulk about waiting for his chances.

7.) 02 Nov 2017 13:03:23
Adam, I would be interested to know if you saw Grujic over 90 minutes against Man Utd U23 just over a week ago.

8.) 02 Nov 2017 13:41:12
Not over the full 90 mate. Just highlights. He was very impressive though from what i could find, and from what i read.

9.) 02 Nov 2017 14:37:10
Don't think Pedro Obiang is the answer to improving us into a title winning side.

Not good enough for me and would be another Robertson, Klavan, Matip style signing of a stop-gap.

{Ed002's Note - Obiang won't be moving to LFC.}

10.) 02 Nov 2017 14:52:40
Spot on, MK. Naby is the real deal and you described him perfectly.

Navy Keith, I disagree. Obiang is the exact player we need or N'Zonzi would be a good shout as he plays in the same system we play at Seville. These are intelligent footballers who are doing a great job at their teams esp. N'Zonzi who has really grown as a player since he left The School of Destructive Football under Pulis at Stoke and has had good coaching from better managers like Unai Emery (3 time EL winner and manager of PSG) and now Eduardo Berizzo (ex asistant to Marcelo Bielsa in the Chile national team) . The players you mentioned may be stop gaps BUT N'Zonzi and Obiang are no stop gaps. They are the real deal.

11.) 02 Nov 2017 18:23:46
it isn't just hendo, ox, Lallana and kieta though. we have gini and milner too. But no, I don't think that is enough. Milner is quickly getting worse. he can still do a job but I'm not sure how much longer he will be at Liverpool. Aoc is a winger really eh and Lallana is no spring chicken. if Can leaves he is replaced by keita so we just need to replace couts. we will have a tonne of cash to do so, I'm sure it won't be too much of a problem.



26 Oct 2017 12:55:02
if you have some time to answer, are there changes made in the recruitment team or are there any plans to do so?
by the way good article adam, keep going mate, hope it's getting better in real life.


{Ed002's Note - There have been changes in the scouting team over the past year - but nothing major.}

1.) 26 Oct 2017 13:20:49
thanks for the quick reply ed and many thanks in advance for the sharkopod, looking forward to it.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

2.) 26 Oct 2017 13:45:48
Thanks armendn. Things are looking up mate, thank you for asking.

3.) 26 Oct 2017 17:39:51
good to hear mate.



19 Sep 2017 14:42:43
a bit off topic, started with coaching this summer and doing my badges in switzerland. any tips books that are like a must read?
thanks lads
hope some of the fringe players give klopp some selection headache for the weekend.


{Ed001's Note - I can't think of any books, but I would recommend the Way Of Champions podcast, which is all about coaching, though not limited to football alone.}

1.) 19 Sep 2017 15:06:02
Fair play armendn. Good luck pal.

2.) 19 Sep 2017 15:12:00
Think grow rich by Napolian Hill.

3.) 19 Sep 2017 15:29:51
thanks for the quick answers eds and lads.

4.) 19 Sep 2017 15:39:09
It's not really a coaching book, but a great insight into what it takes to be the best.

Quiet Genius by Ian Herbert is a good read though. It's about Bob Paisley for anyone else interested.

5.) 19 Sep 2017 15:49:32
Not a tip to pass exams but one piece of advice got from a professional GK coach - don't finish your warm up by using your starting goalkeeper for shooting practice.

Aside from it potentially ending with him getting injured, (try standing in front of a battering from all sides of shots in quick succession), you can potentially really mess up his confidence right before the match by doing it. Use a sub if you have them or one of the coaches/ parents instead, it will also help the kids who are shooting. Try to finish the keeper's warm up with positives and a high note.

6.) 19 Sep 2017 16:19:21
I found the goblet of fire is a great sporting book.

7.) 19 Sep 2017 16:58:59
Good luck, man. Hopefully, you can offer some tips as to what coaches consider when they make the decisions they make cos everything is NEVER as it seems, clearly.

8.) 19 Sep 2017 20:44:42
thanks very much guys. i've been thrown a bit into the cold water, coaching a senior side from my local club and there are already things that you would have thought of as a player. but i'm really excited about it.

{Ed025's Note - good luck with it mate..

9.) 19 Sep 2017 21:52:50
thanks ed025, like your input in the liverpool page, just not after a loss:P
good luck with the meltdown the next hours/ days, surely as a blue you can see the funny side;)

{Ed025's Note - i never delight in a merseyside team losing mate..



19 Sep 2017 13:03:07
just wanted to thank all you eds for this great site. been reading for years and don't post often as my enlgish is limited to really get my thoughts across.
hope you guys do it for a long time.
really appreciated.


{Ed001's Note - I have been doing it for 16 years so far mate, I doubt I will stop any time soon!}

1.) 19 Sep 2017 13:26:48
Fair play armendn! Your spelling is beter than some of the British posters on here!

Didn't realise it had been going for 16 years! Fantastic commitment eds. Proper legends. This may sound like a stupid question but did you start the site ed01? Did it start as a liverpool page before the utd arsenal etc pages?

{Ed001's Note - yes mate I started it with Ed033. Initially it was just one page for all teams but then we spread out to have individual club pages, then sites over time.}

2.) 19 Sep 2017 13:32:14
Yea! I have been friends with Ed01 from 13 years now 😈😈😈😈.

{Ed001's Note - it feels like much much longer!}

3.) 19 Sep 2017 13:41:19
13 years of Harry 😂 I came here in 2009 and it's a struggle. Does it get any easier Ed001?

{Ed001's Note - it is easier in person! He is a genuinely nice guy but so excitable and it is that which makes his posts sometimes difficult to follow.}

4.) 19 Sep 2017 13:51:36
Wow ed! I guess there must have been a lot of conflict before the fans were segregated! I bet it was fun though.

Congrats ed, this is a fantastic site, I'm not just saying that. I'm a bit of a technophobe and am useless on computers but I find this site totally addictive. I go on line to watch Netflix, to study with the OU and to come on this site. It is well worth paying for the broadband.
It is a privilege to have your insight and after coming here for a few months I feel closer to the club I love to death, than ever before. Thank you for that.

{Ed001's Note - it was nightmare at times mate. Could be fun, but not always. There was a lot of nastiness, particularly between Celtic and Rangers fans.

Thanks mate, I am not that much of a techy myself, never had a compor been on the net before we started the site. I used to write up stuff on a piece of paper and Ed033 would take it home and type it up in the early days. We only used to add one post a day. I remember how excited we got when the first message got sent in. Page views were counted in the tens per week, rather than hundreds of thousands a day like now.}

5.) 19 Sep 2017 13:54:35
You know that explains a lot ed001. I wonder if there is a correlation between greater incoherency and the mention of Kovacic?

Granted, all you scousers are a little difficult to follow at times :D.

{Ed001's Note - just go back and listen to the poddie we did with Harry as guest star. He got so carried away at the mere mention of his hero's name!}

6.) 19 Sep 2017 13:55:40
you're the reason why I come to this page Ed001.

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much mate, unless I owe you money?}

7.) 19 Sep 2017 14:03:39
The real question though Ed; Is he really hung like a Donkey?

{Ed001's Note - careful MKS, Man Utd fans got into trouble for that kind of thing!! ;-)

8.) 19 Sep 2017 14:30:14
Good stuff ed01. Yeah I can imagine the gers and celtic getting nasty.

How many eds are there now dude? You've done ever so well though bruv, it is the best football site full stop. I love seeing people's passion for the sport, yourself, the other eds and the posters. You should be proper proud of yourself mate, you've created something very special. A real platform for fans to voice their views. I bet lfc officials have a peek sometimes and I'm convinced "jonpow" is the former singer for the scouse indie band "cast" (met him once, my mate opened for him at a gig once, he signed my liverpool shirt) hus name is jon power, he was involved in the justice for the 96, and is a sound bloke. Just goes to show how important this site is.

{Ed001's Note - I honestly couldn't tell you how many editors there are. I think it is only 10 now but I might have that completely wrong. Ah is that who you were on about, I have heard of Cast but never been into Indie music so know nothing about them.}

9.) 19 Sep 2017 14:48:53
Speaking of that trouble ed001, is that chant really all that bad? I get that it's probably not the most child friendly comment to make, but I hear worse things picked up on even commentators microphones than those chants. I fail to see the racist or stereotypical element to it.

{Ed001's Note - it is not for me to judge mate. It is not me who is being stereotyped, so I am in no position to decide if it is bad or not. It is about a racial stereotype though.}

10.) 19 Sep 2017 14:56:17
Yea close to 13 or maybe 1 or 2 down! But I have plenty of memories. Ownership change, Torres sale. CL nights, Real Ag, Bobarton and many more. More than a decade for fire. Numerous user names, Wow just Wow!

{Ed001's Note - the ownership change was incredible as it gave me absolutely no rest! It just kept going back and forth between time zones.}

11.) 19 Sep 2017 15:01:36
Yeah they were a great little band. "Walkway" "sandstorm" they had a few good tunes. They were seriously underrated. As good as oasis all day. Check walkway on youtube if you're interestrd.

{Ed001's Note - I never liked Oasis mate, it is just not my thing at all.}

12.) 19 Sep 2017 15:12:36
Whatever happened to some of the good posters like Blair mayne ed001
Up the pool.

{Ed001's Note - Blair had kids if I remember rightly.}

13.) 19 Sep 2017 15:14:37
Can you remember who sent the first post in ed001?
I bet it was Harry lol.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know, Ed033 might do, his memory is virtually eidetic.}

14.) 19 Sep 2017 15:15:16
Fair ed, each to their own. One line in a cast song actually says "wouldn't it be grey if we had the same thoughts" would be a boring world if everybody liked the same thing.

{Ed001's Note - very true. Just like football would be boring if everyone supported the same team. Who would you have banter with after a good win or big defeat?}

15.) 19 Sep 2017 15:48:13
Cool ed, I love the banter, it's better when we are above utd though!

{Ed001's Note - shame it doesn't happen every year....}

16.) 19 Sep 2017 16:19:58
Apologies for a personal question ed but I'd be interested to know if you earn a good living from the site? I'd hope with all the visits you're generating decent revenue.

{Ed001's Note - during the summer now it is doing better, much better of late. Winter is usually tougher, as it drops off from September onwards until round about March. There is a little lift for January, but it is a case of saving in the summer to manage through the winter.}

17.) 19 Sep 2017 16:04:38
Harry probably - he always takes the other side!

18.) 19 Sep 2017 16:49:51
Harry has been my friend for about 3 years now and I love what he brings to the site.

19.) 19 Sep 2017 17:16:09
A true contrarian, SG.

20.) 19 Sep 2017 17:31:26
Glad it's going OK, as most visitors I recognize this site as the only decent source of transfer news. If there's not a red ed's comment then it's not true.

{Ed001's Note - it worries me that you say that, personally. Don't get me wrong, it is a great compliment for us, but it is worrying that newspapers and TV channels have debased themselves to earn quick money by feeding a false frenzy of fake news. I never even did any kind of training but I always try and fact check what I say, but so few others bother, they just regurgitate whatever someone else says.}

21.) 19 Sep 2017 19:01:23
I am a fan of you Negative. You are a true gem! The little boy in your DP is so cute mate! ❤️❤️.

22.) 19 Sep 2017 20:56:46
Thanks Harry keep up the good work.



18 Sep 2017 13:40:24
for all those who think we need a striker, can you name one who gives us what firmino does with better finishing abilty?
don't know any myself. i really belief if bobby works on his finishing, manage to bang in more goals, we'll see top clubs wanting him.


1.) 18 Sep 2017 13:51:04
Suárez, Costa, belotti, dybala, Agüero, griezmann, Messi, Kane.

2.) 18 Sep 2017 13:53:00
That exactly is the problem we are discussing here! He is brilliant but doesn't score enough. It is the way it is! He is my fav player as well. A good and healthy Danny Ings would be an excellent weapon in Klopp's system. He is an excellent poacher as well a brilliant presser. An old Daniel Sturridge would have benched Firmino!
Firmino might play in the midfield but he simply can't play on the flanks.

3.) 18 Sep 2017 13:57:36
Firmino made more tackles, more interceptions and created more chances, than any other striker in Europe last season.

The only player who could do what he does and score more is probably Suarez or Lewandowski. Are either realistic? No.

People don't seem capable of understanding that Firmino is not there to be our primary goal scorer. He is their to press, make I'm selfish runs, link up the play, and create space for Mane and Salah to score goals. He does that superbly well and still has 4 goals in 8 games. A 1 in 2 striker is hardly a striker not worth his salt.

He'll never win because there are unfortunately too many modern day fans who think the grass is always greener and are willing to throw their old toys out the pram when they see a shiny new striker scoring goals in a completely different set up.

It's a very sad mate. Probably the hardest worker in our squad takes pelters by people who simply don't understand what his role in the team is.

4.) 18 Sep 2017 13:57:45
Hi Harry you asked is my picture the old one? It is I'll do a new one with the kid's 2 year's on this evening mate.

5.) 18 Sep 2017 13:58:57
Aguero or Firmino up top? Let's not fool ourself. Love Bobby and wouldn't swap him for anyone! But Aguero all day of the week! The thing is we rely Firmino on everything except scoring goals 😄😄. If you have a KDB and Silva behind you could afford Aguero up top! We don't!

6.) 18 Sep 2017 14:09:34
Yet again Harry drooling over other team's players. You need to learn what side you're bread's buttered mate I don't come on here to listen to how great everyone else's players are. We have a really good side that can beat anyone on their day. We've had a tough week but give me our 11 over anyone else's every day of the week as they wear red and play at Anfield. I don't give toss about any other team or their players to be quite honest.

7.) 18 Sep 2017 14:12:09
No one questions Bobby's ability MK. He leads the line and like every other player who leads the line he is always judged on the no of goals he scores mate. If he was anyother player, there wouldn't be a discussion.

I get what you are saying. He does everything to succeed Klopp's high pressing fast movement system and we rely on him completely. But we also rely on him to score goals!

8.) 18 Sep 2017 14:16:12
agree with every point MK
vakpa just listed names of good strikers but would they suit our system or are they affordable? no.

9.) 18 Sep 2017 14:16:18
If you swapped firmino for aguero then liverpool would lose more than they gain imo. Firmino is a fantastic finisher, not sure if I've ever seen aguero score a goal like Bobby did against stoke last year. I reckon firminio could play as an out and out cf and score loads of tap ins, maybe not. But we know for sure 100% that aguero couldn't create like bf.

10.) 18 Sep 2017 14:19:13
Blinding post mk.

11.) 18 Sep 2017 14:29:55
I think it's a little bit horses for courses. Firmino is deadly against better sides with Mane and Salah around him. Look how many chances he creates with space around him and pace to exploit it.

The problem comes against sides like Burnley - they don't give away many chances and you need someone who's going to put away every one, and it's also helpful to have someone who's going to be a target to hit from out wide. Firmino still has the possibility to unlock these sides with his close control and one-twos but he's not a Costa, Ibrahimovic, Lukaka etc. that if you stick them 6 yards out and ping in enough balls they're sure to score. That's where Solanke comes in.

12.) 18 Sep 2017 14:30:40
But if you take bobby out and put in Kane for example then mane and salah don't get as many goals it's counter productive and I don't think it would up our total goal tally at the end of the season. He drops wins balls back, plays beautiful one twos, drags defenders about and creates space for the two speedsters. They are really our forwards In this formation. Yes it would be nice if he finished more of his chances but he creates so many for the rest of the team. If he was as good a finisher as Kane he'd be one of the best players in the world and he probably wouldn't be playing for us unfortunately. He's been our best player this season for me but for that penalty miss.

13.) 18 Sep 2017 14:35:00
Harry we don't rely on him to score. Last season he scored 12 and assisted 11 in about 40 appearances. This season after 8 games he has scored 4 and assisted 3. If he carries on in his current form he will score 20 goals this season anyway.

My point is, he puts just as many goals on a plate for his team mates as he scores.

Salah has 5 goals already, Mane has 3 goals. How do you figure that we rely on Firmino? By contrast, Spurs do actually rely on Kane, Chelsea rely on Morata, Arsenal already rely on Samchez again, and Utd will come to rely on Lukaku when Rashford has a dip in form like all young players do.

We have goals all over the front line. The only teams in Europe with a better forward line than us are PSG, Real Madrid, Man City and Barcelona. They've all spent a small fortune to assemble them though. Our frontline cost about £100m combined across 3 transfer windows. That's 1 Ronaldo, half a Neymar, 1 Dembele, or Sterling and Sane who reside on Citys bench!

I really don't understand where this has come from.

We need to fix our defence and suddenly out of nowhere, everyone is pining for a new striker because our current front 3 only has a meagre 12 goals between them 5 weeks into the season. My god you people must've been spoilt as children.

Everton have 2 league goals this season and they play with an out and out striker. Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea all drew 0-0 and also play with out and out strikers.

We have scored in every game this season except the one we played an hour with 10 men in. Technically, you only need to score 1 goal to win so scoring is clearly not our problem. 1 unlucky game doesn't sudden nly make this our number 1 priority.

14.) 18 Sep 2017 14:44:25
I agree redwillis. Nicely put mate, our system requires the boys to interchange their positions. The wingers become the forwards, the midfielders go out wide and firmino drops back. Any team would benefit from an aguero or kane as they would too from firminio. But I don't see how kane would fit into our style atm.

15.) 18 Sep 2017 14:59:47
SGRed You hit the nail on the head!

16.) 18 Sep 2017 14:59:53
I completely get that that we don't rely on Firmino for goals but that doesn't mean I'm convinced he's the best option for us. My issue is that to be successful you have to balance attack with defence. Our attack, not last season or so far this season, has been good enough to make up for our defense. We have to either concede less (which is something we're struggling with) or score more. I think there's a decent possibility that we would score more with an out and out #9 in the team.

17.) 18 Sep 2017 15:11:48
If liverpool weren't creating the chances I'd be worried but we are and I'm not. We have a top top goal scorer and he rarely gets a game (Dan s) it's because he doesn't really fit with our style. When we convert to 442 ds is much better and it's great to have that option. People say ds isn't the same but I disagree, he scored at arsenal right? And was England's top scorer last year (I think) we can't have it both ways unless we sign messi.

18.) 18 Sep 2017 15:19:13
If you think Firmino is being relied upon to score goals then clearly, you have been watching him with your eyes closed or cover your ears each time Klopp talks him up.

MK, I don't know where this pathetic "we need a striker" non-issue came from, myself. If we were not scoring goals enough and Klopp persisted with this system, I would understand. By all accounts and stats, that is not an issue BUT for some reason cos we fluffed our lines and made poor decisions in the final third, it is now becoming an issue where as it never came up when we thumped Hoff and Arsenal by an EIGHT goal margin. Also, you need to do a course on how our front 3 actually play and how Firmino is perfect for it BUT you will be stealing a living as it is very easy to grasp by simply opening your eyes and watching us play.

Putney, that is the challenge of every manager, IMO. Look at City. Pep has pretty much given up on defending as he kept getting plastered last season and has decided to just overwehlm the opposition with so much attacking talent that they would not be able to cope. He did the same at Barcelona as well. Do I want Klopp to do that? No. I think he is still trying to find that happy medium and that is where the issue is.

19.) 18 Sep 2017 15:23:53
Couldn't Firminho play just behind an out and out striker, still pressure from the front, still set up scoring chances for Salah and Mane but not also assists for a striker?

20.) 18 Sep 2017 15:28:21
Brilliant post ings! Cannot believe people have thumbs downed it?

Where does aguero fit into our system? He doesn't.

21.) 18 Sep 2017 15:56:23
So Sturridge scored "at Arsenal" and you 'think he was England's top scorer last season? ' Wow! I'm converted, he's world class. Lol!
Stop now please.
He can't get a game because he's not good enough right now.
Solanke came on against Sevilla over him. He plays in the England u20 team. That should tell you all you need to know on DS currently.
His goal vs Arsenal was on a plate, amazing ball from Salah. Did he score vs Burnley? Solanke was on for only a few minutes and hit the bar. More importantly though, he got into a goalscoring position which Sturridge didn't look like doing.
Look, I'd love if he proved me wrong but he's not much of an asset right now.

22.) 18 Sep 2017 15:59:15
"Love Bobby and wouldn't swap him for anyone! But Aguero all day of the week! "

So, apart from Aguero, then :)

23.) 18 Sep 2017 16:30:43
I think Son Min Heung came to BPL from bundesliga same time as Firmino. Look how much more effective Son is. He cost 22mil and Firmino 29mil.

24.) 18 Sep 2017 16:32:15
When Firmino wins the ball back for us on the edge of their area, and we score a goal, that is something you just cannot put into statistics; even the really simple ones like how many goals people score.

You have to watch Liverpool to see how vital he is to our play, and if you still can't see how good he is, or how important he is, then there is no point in discussing this with you because, as much as i hate people who present opinion as fact, you are simply wrong and don't understand his role. He is not our primary goal threat and he is not supposed to be.

He isn't an attacking midfielder, but he is simply unplayable at times in the role Klopp has him in. It isn't even a conventional false 9. He just drifts everywhere and if you actually count how many touches he has in most of our goals, you'd be surprised.

Unless you can find me a Suarez who doesn't bite people, or a more skilful Lewandowski, I'm not swapping Firmino for anyone. Klopp has pretty much built the way we play around Firmino and it is brutally effective most of the time. If Mane, Sturridge, Salah and co are wasting too many chances, then you should be blaming them, not the guy integral to a lot of those chances being created.

We are 8 games in lads and we have already scored 17 goals. Considering how bad some of you think we are playing i dread to think how many goals you want us to score before it is deemed acceptable. Last season we did struggle occasionally to score, and Klopp has recognised that and signed Salah. Another wide forward capable of hitting double figures.

When Mane is back and Salah has a bit more confidence to put away more of the chances he is getting, we'll be an absolute force offensively. Klopp does need to make hid subs earlier at times, but again, that is not a stick to be used to beat Firmino.

25.) 18 Sep 2017 16:44:09
Yeah Son looked great in their 1-1 draw with Burnley, their 2-1 defeat to Chelsea and their 0-0 draw with Swansea.

You are literally my point personified. Grass is always greener. Absolute tool.

26.) 18 Sep 2017 17:00:38
MK, what poster are you talking to?
If it's me, I'm not knocking Firmino and I'm beginning to think you're on a wind up if you still think so. I have personally explained countless times that i like him but not as a main Striker or a False 9 even. It shows little ambition in my eyes to play that system in every game in the PL for the entire season. It also shows stubbornness and lack of knowledge.
You've contradicted yourself again in your last post too mate, sorry but you're losing yourself in your own posts within a line or two. This is not to humiliate or embarrass you but read this from your last post: "as much as i hate people who present opinion as fact, you are simply wrong and don't understand his role. He is not our primary goal threat and he is not supposed to be.

He isn't an attacking midfielder, but he is simply unplayable at times in the role Klopp has him in. " You say you hate someone presenting opinion as fact then carry on immediately to present your own opinion as fact telling whoever you were talking to that they are wrong (Your way or the highway) . You're losing me now because you're contradicting yourself so I don't want to read/ waste further time on your opinions on this subject further unless you can minimise them. They're (your posts/ replies) turning into (your) opinions that you're presenting as factual according to your gospel, not everyone's. I can debate with you but it's not worth reading paragraph afte paragraph of it's contradictory. No offense mate! I promise you I'm not trying to be a prat. If I've come off as one, genuinely I'll apologise now.

27.) 18 Sep 2017 17:30:46
MK what other TOP TEAM has a striker that isn't their main goal threat? I'm sure that there's some but I think you'll find they are few and far between for a reason.
Your main striker should be always your main goal threat. And in top teams in England and abroad they generally get you 20+ goals a season. Just think about it.

28.) 18 Sep 2017 17:33:50
Why does it have to be Firminho or a 20 a season finisher, why not both.

29.) 18 Sep 2017 17:59:29
Real Madrid. Main striker Benzema. Is he a bigger threat than Ronaldo?

Barcelona. Main striker Suarez. Is he a bigger threat than Messi?

Athletico Madrid. Main striker Torres. Is he a bigger threat than Griezmann?

Arsenal. Main striker Giroud. Is he a bigger threat than Sanchez?

Wales national. Main striker Robson Kanu. Is he a bigger threat than Bale?

I'll stop because I've already blown your non-argument apart.

In fact, the 3 best teams in Europe (the 3 top teams from Spain) all have a bigger goal threat than their main central striker. Even PSG you could now argue that Neymar and Mbappe are bigger goal threats than Cavani; their main striker. Deary me. Some people make stuff up.

30.) 18 Sep 2017 18:01:40
Kev, it is pretty much a fact that Firmino is vital to our play. He has been directly involved in 7 of our 17 goals this season. That is a fact, and if that doesn't make him vital, what does?

31.) 18 Sep 2017 18:06:36
Relax, Son is not a patch on Firmino, end of story. N

Natural, Klopp does not see Firmino as his main striker. He is seen as part of a front three of strikers as their positions are interchangeable and all are expected to offer goals and assists and be unselfish and work with and for each other. This is quite a simple system to grasp BUT for some reason, people keep harping on it as if they just found out that we play this way whereas we ave been playing this way since last season. Baffling, really.

32.) 18 Sep 2017 18:08:10
Exactly Details Locked!

33.) 18 Sep 2017 18:08:56
The natural - couldn't agree more mate!

34.) 18 Sep 2017 18:14:18
Kev ds goal against arsenal was a lot harder than it looked. Who was the player that foresaw the ball would go to the far post? Ds on his day IS world class. He goes missing in a lot of games though and I think he lacks physicality. He has scored some Wc goals though. If he was past it then he would have been sold in the summer. Goal against bayern was class and that was only a matter of weeks ago. I doubt he has lost it since then.

Also, you say his goal against arsenal was on a plate? Or a tap in right? But isn't it aguero, the tap in king, that you are calling for?

35.) 18 Sep 2017 18:37:13
Sturridge is not current. Oh my god you're positive points for him are full of negatives. Would you say those negatives about Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez?
I'm not saying Sturridge is a bad player but he is not world class. Look at Lukaku, he's scoring for fun the last couple of years. I don't count him as world class. You have a weird opinion of world class it seems. Robbie Keane scored 67 or 68 goals or so for his country. Was he world class? He plays well maybe 3 games a season when fit. You think that is world class? We have had world class strikers play for us for years, Sturridge is not in their league. He had ONE and a half good seasons. That's it. He's won zero with us. World class? Pull the other one.

36.) 18 Sep 2017 18:48:30
How many has he scored MK?
How many does he not score by standing outside the box or making space or the other things he does?
He's our main striker you said but he's not our main scorer, fair enough, is Messi in our team? Is Greizmann, Ronaldo?
No, in some games we'll have Chamberlain, Woodburn, Solanke off the bench, Sturridge who hasn't scored regularly for years playing near him.
Who will score the goals then?
Do you expect them to?
Now compare to the world's best Strikers.
He's not as good as them.
If you even try to tell me he's world class, then I'm out.
Gabriel Jesus isn't world class yet and he gets into Brazil's team ahead of Firmino on merit.
He's more of a danger.
How many have each scored this season?
I genuinely don't know.
But Gabriel Jesus is not on his own upfront in many games, sometimes he's benched for Aguero. But guess what, they score more than us. They beat us well 10 men or 11. Their first goal cut us open. If Firmino was upfront for them he'd never have gotten onto that pass, playing off the last defender. We're badly missing that.

37.) 19 Sep 2017 07:49:48
Olrish how do we miss "someone playing off the last defender" that's what mane and salah both do every game. They run into the space between fullback and cb. The space more often than not that is created by Firmino either winning the ball back early before the defence are in position or by dropping back and giving the cb something to follow this leaving the space for mane and salah to burst into. He also picks a wonderful pass. You're comparing us to Man City. One of the most expensively assembled squads of all time. But who of their wide forwards would get more goals than mane or salah? We play a different way and until that sending off have always matched them well. the problem we have is not a goal scorer. It's discipline and organisation in the midfield and communication in the back line. A keeper that doesn't fill the team with nerves and a cb that clears his lines properly and doesn't make so many unforced errors. Our goal threat is top quality.




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25 Jun 2017 10:17:08
i think we should pay whatever it takes and learn our lessons.




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heard a rumour that he went to bed,
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give karius and ward a chance first, might surprise us.