Liverpool banter 6

29 Mar 2026 18:42:24
As a replacement for Macca.

29 Mar 2026 19:18:51
Yes I do agree a monkey would do a better job in midfield than Macca.

29 Mar 2026 20:12:09
Whilst I believe Macca, Gakpo, Konate etc have had terrible seasons (nobody has been top class).

They also have been victims of this terrible, terrible boring system, Arne Slot has persisted with.

Regarding Macca, a midfield 3 with him and Wirtz in there doesn’t work. It would've had to be a diamond to work, both far too slow, destined to fail from the start.

29 Mar 2026 22:52:07
Do we ever have a reason where A. Gordon would be welcome into the fold, surely better production than Gakpo.

29 Mar 2026 23:37:04
Gordon is an excellent player. He'd thrive at LFC.

30 Mar 2026 00:13:30
I never understood the hate for Gordon. Scourser, Young, quick, versatile, can dribble, goals/assists, works his socks off. Pool fan. I'm a huge admirer. Would love to see him do well.

30 Mar 2026 02:44:02
Gordon could do well for us, he just wouldn't be my first choice, or second... He'd also be way overpriced, Newcastle would have a field day and drag the transfer out again just like with Isak. It's a hard pass, I'm afraid. I wouldn't be going anywhere near Newcastle stock for a few years. Don't fancy getting messed around again.

30 Mar 2026 06:19:19
Gordon has pretty much the same numbers in the PL as Gakpo this season, albeit with a few fewer games. For me, Gordon flatters to deceive. Add to that the occasional rashness, play acting and no doubt crazy fee. I'd rather we look elsewhere.

30 Mar 2026 08:03:49
Ok, it's been a bad season, but not as bad as Newcastle, so we don't need Gordon.

30 Mar 2026 09:10:29
Gordon is just a bang average run of the mill winger, a Stewart Downing mk2. A lot of money for not very much footballer. We'd only be paying for the fact he has a UK passport. The fact he's a local lad and a supporter is not a reason to sign him. It's not make a wish.

30 Mar 2026 12:28:00
No. 8 like you, I don't rate Gordon and I have said this from 2 summers ago when we almost signed him. Diaz is levels above him as a footballer but in terms of end product, Gordon is better.

As Ed01 said on another thread and I agree, Gordon ain't good enuff for a title chasing team like LFC where teams are going to low block the life outta you with NO space to run into. Gordon doesn't have enuff in his locker to help in this area and simply doesn't have to deal with any of that at Newcastle because seriously, who low blocks Newcastle?

We can defo. do better, IMO.

29 Mar 2026 18:41:52
I think there's a possibility of us going for Fofana and maybe Khepren Thuram in the double pivot with Fofana playing on either flank if we sell Gakpo.

29 Mar 2026 23:07:34
Mad the abuse Macca gets on here.you don't become a bad player overnight.yes hasn't had a great season, criticism is fair but a monkey would be better than him.they used to say we were the best fans in the world.you'll never walk alone.do yourself a favour mate.criticise if you wish but at least make it constructive.

The same fans be up in arms when someone wants to leave and should show some "loyalty".

30 Mar 2026 09:32:10
To be fair, BIOT7, this isn't an overnight thing, Macca was poor last year and a passenger. It's become even worse this year.

30 Mar 2026 12:31:40
BIOT7, I love Macca as a player and footballer and I was happy we signed him. However, this season, his lack of athleticism (which was a feature last season, even tho he finished strong) has come to the fore a lot more this season esp.

in a PL where hard running and athleticism are the norm.

That is why he has been poor and struggled thru out the season, hence imo the reason why people think we should cash in.

29 Mar 2026 18:19:05
{Ed's Note - Davey Sulls has posted a new article entitled, My Liverpool Summer Plan: Coach Change and Four Signings

29 Mar 2026 18:29:12
Forgot Harvey Elliott. I would bring him back into the fold. See if he can progress further. No point selling imo after a terrible loan.

29 Mar 2026 18:35:59
Also, thanks a million to the editor.

{Ed033's Note - Thanks, Davey.

29 Mar 2026 19:50:51
Interesting read, Davey.... I don't see Trent coming back, but I would also like to see it.
Also, interesting that you would start Ekitike over Isak.
I agree with Diomande, and I think we ought to sign two fast, direct and young wide forwards who can play either flank. Our attack is blunted and needs pace and runners in behind, which in turn will also get the best out of Wirtz in the 10.



Agree we need a top midfield destroyer for either Szob or Grav to play alongside.

I really rate both Leoni and Jacquet; I would be tempted to sign a cb/rb type, and I too would also use Gomez to cover lb.

29 Mar 2026 20:20:21
For me, I would go.

Midfield
Anderson, Wharton, Gray (if Tottenham go down). Let Jones, Elliot and McAllister leave. Geertruida would also be a very good buy for his versatility.

For wing two of Diomande, Fofana and Akliouchi. We will have both Leoni and Jacquet also. Plus, factor in Isak with a full pre season. Bradley a little later in the season.

29 Mar 2026 20:33:23
I wouldn't think there's a cat in hell's chance of getting both Anderson and Wharton. The more I see of Wharton, the more I'm not convinced. Not sure he's an upgrade on Mac Allister.

29 Mar 2026 20:48:38
Trent can stay as far away as possible, never want to see that PoS back, specially after his latest weasel words. Personally, don't rate Wharton; he’s a slower, less mobile version of Mac Allister without the goal threat. And for someone over 6ft, he has absolutely no physicality. Highlight reel player at best. The occasional Hollywood pass doesn’t make up for everything else that he lacks.

29 Mar 2026 21:02:20
@Vik, Agree about Wharton, he's a cart horse. It's like the 'English tax' on buying players - it's the 'English hype'. 😉

29 Mar 2026 21:02:52
As for Elliott, I'm sorry his loan at Villa has gone pear-shaped, but he's got no future with us. Regards to Jones, I wouldn't be sorry to see him go, but I think we're stuck with him.

29 Mar 2026 22:29:48
I'd rather Harvey than Curtis. I don't know, I've never rated Jones, as I find he doesn't even do some of the basics right.

For me, Harvey has higher football IQ and can play decent through balls and score a goal from time to time.

Lightweight and won't offer much defensively, but I don't mind Harvey as an impact sub in the 10 role when Wirtz needs to be subbed.

I say this because I expect Macca to go, and I prefer Szobo in an 8 or double pivot role, which is also what he prefers.

I think Harvey can still improve under the right system, management and players around him. I can't really see Jones improving much more.

29 Mar 2026 23:39:45
Elliott isn't that good a player to make any difference to a LFC first team 11. I don't see any mitigation to have him at the club at all.

30 Mar 2026 08:41:31
I'd still have Elliott over Jones all day.

30 Mar 2026 10:57:19
Why on earth would anyone want that Spanish judas back.his rat brother would also end up costing us extra millions in wages n transfers n also line up his already full pockets.

30 Mar 2026 11:50:50
Well done, well thought, well said, Davey.
Thanks for your insight.

I listen to games more than watch them, for logistical reasons, so I'm generally restricted to Steve Hunter's "observations." 😩

30 Mar 2026 12:33:41
WDW, I agree as well. Wharton ain't who we need if we are going for a mobile midfield. He is way too slow, even slower than Elliott.

30 Mar 2026 14:43:24
Viktor, what has TAA been saying lately? 😒

29 Mar 2026 05:55:47
Would gladly wait for the City punishment until the summer,
Then a 60 point deduction, two year transfer ban, and a hefty fine of say £40-50m all coming into effect from August 2026.
That's the least we should expect to see in my opinion.

29 Mar 2026 08:33:27
Even if it does happen, City can still appeal it and drag it out for another year or two. Wouldn't expect anything to happen in the immediate future, really.

29 Mar 2026 09:44:35
There's no chance the corrupt league will hit their corrupt mates with a 60 point deduction. Whatever they do get hit with, they'll appeal and get a reduction anyway. I'd be very surprised if it was more than 12 points. It should be a point for every charge, frozen wage bill, transfer ban, and title stripping for all years in question, but of course that would require the league to actually have some integrity.

Whatever happens, I guarantee disappointment for everyone bar City.

29 Mar 2026 12:34:53
Was it a corrupt league last season?

29 Mar 2026 12:35:05
Bloody hell, I think it's time to lower expectations. A few million in fines and a suspended transfer ban is more than likely for City. Then, hopefully, this farce of a court case can be put to bed.

29 Mar 2026 12:55:05
Everton n Forest got pts deducted because let's face it, they haven't got the money like Citeh Chelsea to fight it. If Chelsea would have got banned or demoted they would have just done what Citeh have done n dragged it through the courts for years, but they'll take the fine with glee n that's all I can see happening to Citeh.

{Ed001's Note - Chelsea were not given points as they self-reported and helped with the investigation. If they had not reported it, no one would ever have known about it. They also turned over everything to the FA and Premier League to go through, while Citeh tried to be obstructive and block access to their files, even though all clubs sign a contract when they join the Premier League which agrees to give free access to the Prem and FA to their books.

It is two totally different cases. Chelsea was all done under Abramovich, while Citeh are being investigated because of what has happened under the current owner. Can people stop spouting ignorant nonsense and whining about it without actually having a bloody clue. It is so tedious reading all the whinging about nothing.}

29 Mar 2026 13:10:20
Could there ever be a suitable and fitting punishment for all their 'alleged misdemeanours', points deduction, transfer ban, fine? All temporary and nothing more than a kick in the shins.
Would they be where they are today, whether or not 'alleged misdemeanours' took place?
Maybe, eventually.


All titles expunged, removed from history, never happened.
Whatever, if any punishment received won't really change anything, a temporary blip on life's pathway.
There can never be anything remotely fitting, but we know!

29 Mar 2026 13:16:31
Chelsea was entirely different from City, so I'm not sure why people keep bringing it up as a comparison. They were the ones who reported the inconsistencies in their accounts themselves after the new owners took over and found out about it.

They could have easily kept quiet about it and the league would likely not have found out about it at all. They also cooperated with the league fully afterwards, so they have a lot of points going in their mitigation.

29 Mar 2026 13:30:24
That may very well be the case, Dracred, but every other club not named Chelsea would have a very good argument for the punishments being harsher. They signed a fair few top players in that period that got them a considerable amount of success and points at the expense of everybody else in the league.

What's to stop any other team doing the same thing and then reporting it themselves a few years down the line? (Granted they would have to sell the team to somebody else before they report it haha).

{Ed001's Note - no they haven't. That is just ignorant nonsense. No other club has a good argument for it being harsher. They might whine like the fans do, but there is no good argument for anything, just petty whining.}

29 Mar 2026 13:41:17
It's gone on too long now. Took about a week to dish out the blues****s punishment. I'd strip them of everything they won in that period and replace the record with cheated. Then have Prem records show no 1st place foul play at hand. Embarrass the whole lot.

29 Mar 2026 13:44:49
What rot, PB.

29 Mar 2026 14:07:59
The Irish Rover!!, I'm assuming you're suggesting the league wasn't corrupt because we won it, which in turn suggests that your idea of corruption is match fixing, referee bias and manipulated VAR decisions. That's a very small-minded view to have. When I'm talking about corruption I mean brown envelopes, back handers, offshore accounts, cooked books, hush money and that sort of thing.

And, answer your question, yes I believe the league was corrupt last year, and every other year. I don't think there's a major organisation under wing of UEFA that isn't corrupt to some extent.

29 Mar 2026 14:19:53
There's no chance the corrupt league will hit their corrupt mates with a 60 point deduction."

Chewy, that suggests to me that you think the PL are just in cahoots with City only? I will wait for any damning evidence against the PL before I go about calling foul.

29 Mar 2026 15:25:41
No, that's not what I'm insinuating I'm making. Suggesting two entities are corrupt doesn't automatically mean that corruption exists solely between the two. I'm afraid you've misunderstood me. I'm simply implying the league is not impervious to corruption, I'm not suggesting they have some sort of uniquely corrupt partnership with City.

Whilst I can appreciate that some, like yourself, would demand concrete proof, personally, I've seen enough corruption in football, and many other sports, to be convinced that no organisation is completely free from foul play of some sort.

29 Mar 2026 15:50:50
My point was not to have a go at Chelsea or even Citeh, it was to have a go at the lilly livered prem league, they done Everton n Forest quickly.but because Chelsea n Citeh are mega bucked with lawyers everywhere, they could fight anything for however long if they wanted, costing the prem league 10s of millions in legal fees.So ED001 since you seem to know all about it, do you think the punishment to Chelsea was adequate because they complied or do you think they should have been let off because it was a different owner group to who owns them now

{Ed001's Note - Chelsea didn't fight it, it took time because there were years of accounts to go through. The punishment was probably about right, they did everything right under the new owners so anything worse would have been very harsh and not encouraged others to come forward in future.}

29 Mar 2026 17:21:27
ED001, Fair play to Chelsea, they done all what was asked of them and still got a big fine, what do you think will or should happen to Citeh.I can't see what everyone is hoping for, only because of how they would fight tooth n nail over every charge and I don't think whoever runs the prem league are up for the fight

{Ed001's Note - they should be stripped of all titles, other than that, I think they deserve at least one relegation.}

29 Mar 2026 18:21:29
Have you all heard of the Mandela Effect. When a large group of people share the same false memory. Like the Monopoly man wearing a monocle when he actually does not. Well, perhaps City are hoping that takes effect, and we all think we remember they have been punished when they actually haven't. The Premier League board will all sit there in a year's time and be happy about how they punished City when actually they forgot to do it, and it's all a false memory.

There is more chance of that happening than an actual substantial punishment ever being brought. It will be a fine that will be paid out of the owners' spare change purse and a suspended transfer ban. If anything at all.

29 Mar 2026 18:33:25
They should definitely be stripped of all those titles they won. But I am not in favour of those titles being handed over to the 2nd placed sides. A bit meaningless those titles would feel honestly.

29 Mar 2026 18:53:16
Cheers for the replies ED001, would the titles go to the 2nd place team or just have no champions on them years

{Ed001's Note - just be stripped.}

29 Mar 2026 21:05:54
Are you saying that Mandela didn't exist, Kim?

30 Mar 2026 07:09:15
Titles stripped and any prize monies 'earned' must be paid back and redistributed to the teams that came runner up. They have to receive some level of transfer ban and hefty fine imo.

{Ed025's Note - any monies should be distributed to grass roots football for me LN..

30 Mar 2026 07:18:18
1) Strip them of the titles, that's a given.
2) Relegate them this season.
3) Ban them from the PL for 4 more seasons.

Sounds about right for me.

30 Mar 2026 08:33:24
The thing with Chelsea is that they are very good at exploiting loopholes (which is fair enough), but they do seem to be one of a very select band who cause the rules to be changed. Clubs can't even sell their hotels or their women's team to themselves anymore.

30 Mar 2026 12:42:22
I'm with Ron. Just strip their titles with an asterisk next to those seasons, and leave that side alone, along with a 3 year transfer ban.

As for relegation, part of me actually wants them to stay up (with a healthy point deduction for each season they were found guilty), so that they can go to every PL away ground with the home fans chanting "Cheats" each time they get the ball and whenever they score a goal.



As for comparing Chelsea with City, people need to go do their research, really.

31 Mar 2026 03:35:18
Where should people research, @Oli? Where did you do your researching, if I may ask?

29 Mar 2026 00:08:08.
Seen a lot of hate on here the other day regarding Wirtz. Just hope the same people seen the player he can be when played in the right position and also play the game around his strengths, not make him just a number.
He's 22, 2 years Bundesliga Player of the Year. We have a possible superstar on our hands and he's never played 2 games in the same position, never mind his favoured position, and I accept injuries and form.


Just think it's time to play our best players in their proper position and then make the team around them instead of playing our best players out of position cos they can play there.

29 Mar 2026 08:49:11
Wouldn't say it was hate, Steve, a poster put up a post that they were a bit underwhelmed with Wirtz and most of replies were positive about him. I also think we've a potential superstar on our hands, but I do believe u have to build a team around him, a physical energetic midfielder behind him for starters, imo.

He can be a bit easy-oosy at times and he will have to step it up next season, like the whole team. He was playing v well recently before he got that injury and when he came back he looked like he did at start of season, a bit off it. He had a good game for Germany seemingly and hopefully he takes that form back with him.

29 Mar 2026 09:16:49
Wirtz will be better for it next season. He was playing an international friendly with nothing on the game.

Not Premier League, where he gets brushed off the ball like he's an academy player.

He'll be better for it and yes, we have a baller. But can we stop manufacturing ways to make everything about Slot.

29 Mar 2026 12:56:52
Wirtz is class. It took him a while to blend in. I'm hoping we see the best of him next season, with a manager, players n tactics which suit our team.

29 Mar 2026 18:35:09
I have never seen any hate towards Wirtz. I think you were being a bit disrespectful towards Reds fans, Steve 81. We all know we have a world talent that needs to bed in with the club, players and country, and hopefully a new manager. YNWA.

29 Mar 2026 19:21:09
Until the fraud leaves, I'll reserve judgement on Wirtz like other senior players.

30 Mar 2026 12:47:14
Digger, the poster who did all that, should go check out the goal Wirtz just scored vs the Swiss at the weekend.

Wirtz was always gonna struggle to adapt, as it is his first season, and frankly, I am more excited about what he can do under another manager.



Cos if Wirtz can perform well to a decent/good extent under a feckless manager with a useless system then it can only bode well for him under a competent, committed and less arrogant manager who is fully engaged in making the team (and Wirtz) better. Just my take.

28 Mar 2026 17:19:10
Great to watch the Legends play. Thiago and Stevie on the same pitch.
Dalglish, Rush and Klopp as the management team. Crouchy and Smicer. It's clear the LFC former players are a great family. Would love to see the likes of Milner, Hendo, Salah, Firmino, and Mane back again when they are retired. What a club!

28 Mar 2026 18:37:43
A lot of clubs wouldn't get 60k watching the first team. I'd love us to get the likes of Thiago,
Milner, if he ever retires, involved in the coaching side, youth teams first, and I would invent a job to get Klopp involved running the academy and football development, etc etc, have a pathway for ex players to be future managers boot room style... but absolutely, as a fan since 1978, based in North London, my son is 17 now.

He was 9 when we first came to Anfield, we get up for around 4 games a season, a couple of parades and even a week in the summer for the hell of it, and have done for the last 8 years. The club, the city, the people are special.
My son knows his way around the city blindfolded, can speak perfect Scouse, and apart from spending my pension to do it... it was worth every penny!! Living out my dreams with my lad was and is priceless.

{Ed025's Note - love it Eddie..

28 Mar 2026 18:24:50
Particularly great to see Stevie and Thiago playing together, can only imagine the damage they could have done together. Stevie can still put it on a sixpence from anywhere, pleasure to see him play again. Some goal from Jay Spearing. Pity they didn't get the win. Great watch, nonetheless, but I was nearly ready to kill the broadcast director when they missed the Klopp fist pump!

28 Mar 2026 19:51:16
Great to see how our amazing city can do this to help local people. I loved the interview after the game, where he said he believes this is the greatest city in the world.
Makes me so proud to be a Scouser.

28 Mar 2026 22:01:38
Nice post that Eddie. 👍🏻

28 Mar 2026 22:10:32
I absolutely love taking my wee lad over for matches. Making memories with my one and only Priceless. 👍

{Ed025's Note - im made up for you Barry, those memories will live forever mate and thats great..

28 Mar 2026 22:29:38
Agree lads, going the match with my lad is special. At the Spurs game last season, final whistle just hugged each other, finally saw the Redmen win it together. My lad is 21 in July, been taking him since he was 5. Still love it.

28 Mar 2026 22:43:49
Eddie74, brilliant post, buddy. I love it. Hope you and your son continue to enjoy the best city in the world.

29 Mar 2026 09:32:29
We went and it was nice to feel unity with the club/players and Klopp through his fist pumps.

It saddened me of how detached we are at the moment with things on and off the pitch with our manager and issues.

YNWA.

29 Mar 2026 05:28:06
That's what it's all about Ed025. Red or Blue Liverpool is a brilliant city.

{Ed025's Note - it really is Barry, and very friendly mate..

29 Mar 2026 10:35:38
The first time I took my boys to Anfield was way back in 2008 against the mighty Wigan, Titus Bamble getting a late equaliser. It was absolutely baltic but the kids loved every bit of the whole experience.

Going to Carraghers Bar and the Liverpool store so they could bankrupt me 🥴. The only thing missing was a victory so thanks for that, Titus, never liked that guy anyway. 🤣

29 Mar 2026 10:49:51
I didn't go but have seen clips online. Not sure Jurgen will have helped Slott's cause, the connection he had was electric and is what everyone is missing right now (that's absolutely no criticism of Klopp by the way, everyone would have been gutted if he didn't do the fist pumps!)

29 Mar 2026 11:49:00
Were any of the current staff there or any of the players that didn't go on international duty?

29 Mar 2026 11:58:46
I was the same Chewy! It was caught on YouTube though:

30 Mar 2026 12:51:42
Smashing post, Eddie. Didn't see the game as I was on Daddy Duty with my kids and then, on Buger Duty afterwards, lol.

Great to see all the lads and the enormous tribute they made in the 20th min. for Diogo and Andre (saw the highlights). A true family we Reds are, for sure.

28 Mar 2026 14:11:36
Hi Ed,

What do you think changed between last year and this year with Slot and his tactics? How come we went from the team which swept the league to being a team everyone wants to play to regain their form? Cannot just be the new players as these lot cannot need a whole season to gel.

Cheers!

{Ed001's Note - he just got them to play his way and the fitness was much lower as well. It was already heading this way last season, the last weeks were dire, but we all just hoped it was nerves, I think.}

28 Mar 2026 19:19:37
So do you think ed if Slot had of come in and wanted them to play his way from the start last year would have been an absolute disaster?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

28 Mar 2026 20:42:21
The man is an arrogant narcissist fool I feel bad saying it cus I so wanted him to succeed but the sooner the better he's gone! Hopefully it happens soon and we're not picking through the amber's of the club wondering were did it all go wrong

29 Mar 2026 03:30:31
My 2 cents...

I think we erred by not replacing Diaz by a proper left winger, or Chiesa should have been given more chances there. Depending on Gapko has basically made our left wing defunct, and the situation has been compounded by Salah having a mare of a season, and we not having a right wing back up too.



Isak's injury has impacted our season a lot too, as he could have let us play Ekitike on the left, and Wirtz in number 10.

30 Mar 2026 12:56:38
Damn, Jimjim. tell us how you really feel. I agree with Ed. Slot's system is a disaster and had he put it in practice last season, we would have been just as dire, if not worse. His system doesn't work in the PL, hands down. Him persisting with it despite all the rubbish going on, is what I see as being most criminal.

You can make a mistake and people will sympathise if you are willing to work hard and change BUT to just ignore them and not change and rather, quadruple down on them with no regard for anyone but yourself? This is where Slot lost all the credit in the back for no. 20 and was where I drew the line months ago.

28 Mar 2026 13:56:47
Please may I ask that someone enlighten me to the whole Ben White situation in the England team.

All I know is that he fell out with the previous manager / management team, and now he's brought back in, but has to "make right" with the players according to Tuchel.

He scored last night, gave away a penalty and then was booed as well.

28 Mar 2026 16:38:15
He was given some "homework" to do on opposing players and said he'd done it but hadn't.

28 Mar 2026 17:27:58
I think he said his dog ate his homework and he wasn't willing to stand in the corner.

28 Mar 2026 19:07:41
He missed training, to go for a tanning session n get his eyebrows done.

28 Mar 2026 22:33:45
Apparently, Southgate's assistant asked White to remove his earrings for a practice game. White didn't see the point, as it wasn't an official match, but Steve Holland insisted it was a safety hazard. White eventually agreed, but only after things got pretty heated between the two. After removing the earrings and handing them to Holland for safe keeping, the assistant coach thanked White for complying and briefly flashed a wry grin before absolutely hoofing the things downfield with an exquisite volley, apparently sending White's most coveted pair of "Ben Sherman men's Platinum Look Hoops" over 60 yards across the training ground, landing in a nearby bush. Reports claim White was less than pleased when he had to scale a 10-foot fence and spent 20 minutes searching, only to recover just one of the beloved earrings.

His mood quickly escalated to a level of "absolutely fuming", as quoted by a teammate who wished to remain anonymous, as he stormed into Southgate's office screaming profanities and demanding Holland be removed from the coaching staff. This did not go down well with Southgate, of course, who was on a conference call with the brand manager from PizzaHut at the time, as White's behaviour apparently ruined all possibility of Southgate rekindling his relationship with the famous pizza chain who were keen on securing Southgate for a follow-up to his classic 1996 ad campaign for the nation's favourite pizzeria.

28 Mar 2026
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28 Mar 2026 17:33:11
Just seeing his grid brings bark dark memories of a horrible period.
PTSD football style.