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15 Aug 2018 15:56:12
Mignolet’s agent in talks with Napoli apparently. If he does go then all the best to him.


{Ed002's Note - Napoli want one of David Ospina or Simon Mignolet. Besiktas want one of Loris Karius, Ospina or Mignolet. Mignolet was priced out of a move to Fenerbahce. If Liverpool were to drop their demands for a loan fee for Karius, I suspect something could be done.}

1.) 15 Aug 2018 17:17:08
Currently in talks with Arsenal fro Ospina so that option looks dead in water. I think we will be stuck with him until at least January now.

2.) 15 Aug 2018 17:17:08
Cheers Ed002. A fountain of knowledge as per usual.

3.) 15 Aug 2018 17:52:35
Spot on Ed as usual with your info. You explained both Karius and Mignolet could well leave in August. I have to say though I thought Karius would stay. Kids not ready to be back up imo.

{Ed002's Note - He should have moved at the first opportunity. Staying at the club puts him in an untenable situation but I would not put it beyond Klopp to force him to stay.}

4.) 15 Aug 2018 18:51:54
He does want to leave then Ed? Was at Anfield on sunday and he seemed happy enough in the warm up, even signed a few programmes. Shame really.

{Ed002's Note - His position is completely untenable.}

5.) 15 Aug 2018 19:37:45
Do you mean untenable within the club? Certainly the fans would be happy for him to stay as a number 2.

{Ed002's Note - You must have a very short memory.}

6.) 15 Aug 2018 20:33:42
While there are some cretins, I think the ovation he received on his Anfield return speaks volumes to how the real fans feel about him.

7.) 15 Aug 2018 20:53:43
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. At this stage I’d be happy for Karius to go and prove himself elsewhere and Migs to stay as reserve. 👍🏻.

8.) 15 Aug 2018 21:22:47
Saying ‘He should have moved at the first opportunity’ implies that he has had a chance to move and didn’t take it. Therefore I hardly think we can blame Klopp if he is still at Liverpool when the window closes.

{Ed002's Note - I am sure Klopp is not responsible for anything at all.}

9.) 15 Aug 2018 22:54:59
Actually I think it is fair to blame Klopp for the goalkeeper situation at the club, it has been a shambles for some time. Mignolet and Karius were told they were no1 keeper, then Ward has just wasted a whole year out of his career when it was obvious he needed to go back out on loan for his sake.
Ed02 is right, Karius position is untenable, the vile abuse he and his family has received is despicable. Any mistake Karius made this season would have been magnified and the pressure he would have felt at away grounds would have been too great.
However i do not understand why Liverpool put crazy prices on players they clearly do not want, and put off any potential suitors, surely a more reasonable price to move the goalkeepers on would be beneficial to everybody in the long run.

10.) 17 Aug 2018 10:04:49
*”Karius recieves abuse from some cretins; let’s blame Klopp it must be his fault”

Actually no, it’s the fault of a few mindless persons why Karius will struggle to hold down a role with the club.

11.) 17 Aug 2018 22:09:32
I never said it was Klopps fault for the abuse Karius received, as you rightly say that was down to the cretins. I think he handled the Danny Ward situation poorly. How was Ward going to get game time over Karius and Mignolet, the whole season was wasted for him.
Klopp is doing a brilliant job and bought so well this season, but we are allowed to occasionally criticize him, the goalkeeper situation definitely could have been handled better.




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02 Dec 2018 13:38:12
Ed001 just read this online so I’ve copied and pasted it so please don’t shoot the messenger. What’s your thoughts on this please mate as I’m 99% certain it is BS.

*Klopp, Buvac separation behind Liverpool issues- Serbian journalist*

A Serbian Journalist Milan Marin has offered an insighted detail that Jurgen Klopp is deliberately abandoning Liverpool's way of attacking football as a way to prove to long-time friend Zeljko Buvac

"Many Liverpool fans don't know the real reason why their team is playing way it is, but Mr Klopp does and he is doing it deliberately, I have it on good ground from a friend who works at Liverpool and is close to team and was introduced to me by Buvac when he was at Liverpool. He told me Klopp doesn't want anything to do with any input of Buvac, such is now the hatred of two friends who were best friends from 1990s and worked from 2001 as managers it is sad" he said

"Liverpool fans ask where is the pressing gone? The truth is, Klopp doesn't need the press, it was Buvac style. It's like two friends becoming enemies and even the car one bought for the other, is either parked on the garage or you don't want to drive it again. Naby Keita is a victim of this fall out, because he was bought as a recommendation of Buvac who has relations in Leipzig, but now Klopp isn't playing him, many of the transfers done this summer were all recommended by Buvac and Klopp isn't using them because he wants to introduce a new style and win in his own way. Liverpool fans believe Liverpool can't reproduce last season form, but the issue is Mr Klopp doesn't want to use last season's tactics known as Zeljko Buvac tactics" he added.


{Ed001's Note - it is nonsense mate, Keita got injured or we would have seen a lot more of him and he was signed in the main on the recommendation of one of our players, not Buvac. I am quite sure there is an element of trying to do things differently to prove a point, but it is more than just about that. If the players and staff believed that Klopp was just throwing a petty tantrum about a break-up with his mate, do you think we would not have already known about it? They fell out because they had different ideas and the changes are because of those different ideas not because of the fall out. It was the cause not a consequence of the fall out.}

1.) 02 Dec 2018 13:59:57
Cheers for the reply Ed001 and I agree with everything you've just said.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate. It is just spin to turn an old story into something new. There is still a few months to go before we know for sure if Klopp or Buvac were right, but so far the results are suggesting Buvac was not correct, though the performances are not as exciting.}

2.) 02 Dec 2018 14:18:25
This is my point of view. I have seen on this page, many a time and long long before Buvac had left that the system that they used had been "found out". That Klopp hadn't won a trophy in many years using said system, with Buvac by his side at all times. Also that Klopp needed a defence coach to help with the goals we are leaking etc etc. Well we don't leak goals anymore and we are actually pretty good at defending and as far as I know he didn't get a defence coach, I might be wrong tho. We have also changed our system overall this season, maybe not so dynamic but sitting pretty in the League, trying to keep up with by far the best squad in our league. Yet you hear the "experts" coming out and saying how we miss Buvac. Well we didn't win anything with Buvac here or in Germany, so I'm not surprised Klopp has changed the system a bit, but it seems to me that he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Give the guy a break. We aren't perfect but in my opinion a far more complete team than we were when Buvac had his input.

3.) 02 Dec 2018 15:44:08
There's always going to be people out there wanting to stir things up for us and get people thinking in overdrive mode, this is the exact reason I avoid reading stuff on other sites because 99.9% is complete BS.

4.) 02 Dec 2018 17:15:01
is that player sadio mane by anychance ed01?

{Ed001's Note - yes mate.}

5.) 02 Dec 2018 22:33:24
Irish Rover, you are a beuty. That is the exact point I have been making ever since this whole Buvac nonsense kept coming up. Klopp gave credit to Buvac for being his "brain" and being integral to his success. Suddenly cos they had a falling out, people seem tpo think that Klopp cannot function w/ o him. Abject nonsense. Buvac is NO genius and the last time I checked he was an assistant. if he was that good why did he not go make a name for himself as David Wagner (Klopp's BFF) did?

Also as you say, people bleating on and on about how "we were playing flying football and now that Buvac is gone, we no longer are". Again, a crock of nonsense. Was it not the same Buvac who has been here when we were conceding goals for fun and getting pummeled by the big teams all of last season? Did we win anything with him as assistant ever? Did't think so. This whole Buvac crap is nothing but a Nothing-burger. It is not a thing. Never was and NEVER wil be. So those who keep parroting the same nonsense (esp. from some crackpot Sebian journalist) will continue to embarrass themselves with their ignorance.

6.) 02 Dec 2018 21:00:38
ed how does that work with mane? Do the club go and ask him about naby knowing he was friends with him or is it common enough for senior players in the squad to recommend players to the coaching staff?

{Ed001's Note - it is very common for players to recommend other players. It can be any of a hundred ways, depending on the manager's relationship with the players.}

7.) 03 Dec 2018 11:18:53
cheers ed appreciate the reply🖒🖒.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}

8.) 03 Dec 2018 12:21:45
That means mane has a very healthy relationship with klopp!



27 Oct 2018 08:54:05
Klopp been getting a bit of stick from media and other clubs about the amount of money he spent on Allison, VVD, Kieta and Fabinho and not winning anything but not a lot has been mentioned on Liverpool’s recruitment of Roberston 8, Milner 0, Shaqiri 13 and Gomez 3.5 mill. We had to spend big to keep pace with the big boys but that is some fantastic bargains in this day and age. The first 4 cost around 250 mill and the latter 4 cost around 25 mill. They do say football is a funny old game.


1.) 27 Oct 2018 09:54:11
JK23, I don't give two flips of the coin about what the media think of LFC or Klopp and you shouldn't as well. Even Klopp doesn't cos he told Carra to his face last season during an interview that he never listens nor does not care to what he nor his other deluded pundit (Valencia's legendary manager Gary Neville) has to say.

I mean, It was this same media that was giving Klopp loads for not spending the money required to fix our issues and compete for trophies. Now that he has spent the money 'required" to fix our issues and tho not all is perfect yet, we are doing the business points-wise and competing for trophies and for now with City, they are now saying Klopp spent too much money and won nothing. WHICH IS IT?

These guys always want to have it both ways which is why I don't care for them nor what they say. I would rather listen/ read the opinions of those like yourself and the Ed's, on this forum than the media who always have an agenda as to who they want to bring down and protect depending on the day or the weather forecast.

2.) 27 Oct 2018 10:09:07
They're just trying to lay the pressure on mate, I think the lads and Klopp are more focused over feeling pressurised so in my opinion the pundits, media and other clubs are just wasting their time, the media I get it, they always talk rubbish but the clubs need to focus on their own teams not ours, the pundits well just like the media, gobrubbishs. They'll all be eating their words WHEN we win the league this season.

3.) 27 Oct 2018 10:22:32
We didn't spend to just keep up.

Where at a point where there's only so many players better than what we have, and they cost money.

I did try to highlight what you have said earlier though. In the fact we have Robertson, Trent, Gomez, wijnaldum, shaqiri and even mane which total just 80 million.

4.) 27 Oct 2018 10:49:41
The media and pundits repeatedly said that Liverpool needed a major upgrade in goalkeepers. Karius and Mignolet regularly criticized.
Clearly the defence/ goal positions have been massively improved, but to get the best for those positions now costs big money.
If Liverpool had not spent the money on these players the same media and pundits would have been tearing into Klopp for not improving the obvious weak areas in the team.
You're damned if you do, damned if you don't where the media are concerned. Criticizing Liverpool who are currently joint top with a team who have spent significantly more is absurd.

5.) 27 Oct 2018 11:10:45
Perfectly put BRover mate.

6.) 27 Oct 2018 11:17:34
Karius and klavan were both dirt cheap too and although both had some poor games they also had some great games and helped us qualify for Europe twice.

Solanke for 3 mil too. People saying klopp is a hypocrite are hypocritical themselves. Creaming themselves over the signing of Alison when it sells their papers and then slagging it when that sells. It's rubbish.

Our front three, often hailed as the best in the world and none of them was North of 40mil, 35mil actually.

7.) 27 Oct 2018 11:35:56
How can he win anything as a result of buying Keita Alisson and Fabinho when they’ve been here all of 3 months?

8.) 27 Oct 2018 11:42:41
Gents please don’t take my original comment the wrong way I’m not moaning about the money spent or do I care what the media say. I’m just making a personal comment on a football forum. I just found it quite incredible when I saw the price of the cheaper 4. For me I believe we did spend big to keep up and it had to be spent. We were 90 mins away from winning the CL last season but were way off winning the league which we have been for some time. Without the definite additions of VVD and Allison that wasn’t going to change this season and Fabinho and keita when settled will no doubts add more chink to our armour.

9.) 27 Oct 2018 11:46:25
I know, right 87red? There's a reason why I don't care for these hacks in the media who are as confident in what they spew, as the weatherman who thinks he knows for a fact, what the weather will be tmrw, lol.

10.) 27 Oct 2018 13:25:29
We’ve spent the money but only the real big bucks recently. We didn’t have Keita, Allison, Fabihno or Shaqiri last season and VVD arrived only in in January?

The muppets writing tosh in the tabloids should judge this team at the end of the season.

11.) 27 Oct 2018 14:33:29
Good point jk27.



01 Sep 2018 16:53:11
I know we’ve said a few of the players are short of fitness after coming back late but surely 2 weeks away now playing meaningless internationals is just going to make that worse. Huge fixture up next as well against Spurs.


{Ed002's Note - Don't forget that Salah needed to endure that trip back in a tiny business jet from Nice early yesterday and really should have been given the week off. I did the same arduous journey and I was not expected to play today - in fact it was never even suggested that I would.}

1.) 01 Sep 2018 16:59:57
Ed002 you could have played in midfield for us today. I don’t think you could have done any worse lol.

{Ed002's Note - Or in goal.}

2.) 01 Sep 2018 17:02:03
don't sell yourself short Ed, you could have played at least a half.

3.) 01 Sep 2018 17:10:15
A small trip to Nice is hardly a long haul flight though, Ed002 - although I guess that explains why Klipperty took him off early today.

I imagine most of the Real Madrid players who were at the awards will be starting for Madrid this evening.

Red Sandman.

{Ed002's Note - I was tired when I got back.}

4.) 01 Sep 2018 17:23:52
I don’t understand this post. It is the same for Spurs too. Stop moaning.

5.) 01 Sep 2018 17:30:28
Kramer no one forced you to read the post or to comment. You’re now moaning about people moaning 🤦🏻‍♂️.

6.) 01 Sep 2018 18:04:05
Poor performance = Grindinng out results. The new way 😁😁.

7.) 01 Sep 2018 19:35:14
Sorry JK but I had to read the post to know what was about. Believe me if I could go back in time and not read it I would. I’m happy you admit that you were moaning but I still don’t understand the purpose of your post. Was it simply that you fancied having a moan about something?

8.) 02 Sep 2018 05:02:00
change the record harry, i think you are secretly seething that we're winning cos its gives you less to moan about ( but yet you still find a way) if we were on 6 points and city were in our place having done the same you would be purring with their praises about how great teams can play poor but find a way to win. as soon as liverpool do the same its you its a different story and you feel the need to put them down. its 3 point whether we played well or bad. get over it - that's how titles are won. Sorry klopp hasn't given you more ammo to complain this month.



31 Aug 2018 13:32:43
Ed001 do you think we will see changes to the starting line up tomorrow for the Leicester match. Looking at our fixture list straight after the international window i can’t see that as an opportunity for Klopp to give players their first start of the season (ie Fabinho and Hendo) .


{Ed001's Note - I doubt we will see changes now when we are on a winning run.}



28 Aug 2018 09:12:48
Mignolet, Clyne, Lovren, Matip, Moreno, Fabinho, Henderson, Lallana, Origi, Sturridge and Shaqiri. That’s a team of players that have not even started a game for us yet this season. Not to mention the Ox. Pretty decent strength in depth that is.


1.) 28 Aug 2018 09:46:16
A few of then would never start and rightly so as they are simply not good enough. So having them on the bench is the same as having them shipped out from the squad. Some might even go in the next 48 hours. AOC is not going to come back any time soon.

2.) 28 Aug 2018 10:08:18
Little ray of sunshine aren't you Harry? There's mid table Premier League team in reserve there. Not bad I'd say.

3.) 28 Aug 2018 10:21:26
Harry you are the type of person If given a suitcase full of cash, would moan that the suitcase is too heavy 🤦🏻‍♂️.

4.) 28 Aug 2018 10:47:49
That team would come in the top 7. add to that the lads from our starting XI in the first three games we have a heck of a squad.

5.) 28 Aug 2018 11:09:06
It's great to have you back Harry!

6.) 28 Aug 2018 11:47:46
Harry, your reputation precedes you 😂😂😂.

7.) 28 Aug 2018 12:05:20
It a great to see the fans backing the same set of players who were dog abused not so long ago! I am just saying what the page claimed a month ago! Moreno, Matip and Mignolet could easily play for a pub team!
Most of them are available for a transfer and there are no takers! Everyone knows why there are no takers.

8.) 28 Aug 2018 12:24:42
Great to see you back Harry, site is better for characters like you.

9.) 28 Aug 2018 13:16:25
Im glad Harry isn't dead, but certainly haven't missed his nonsense whining over nothing. Harry being the same poster who thought we missed a trick when Arsenal got Xhaka.

10.) 28 Aug 2018 13:28:54
Abused by whom? Not by me. Pretty much everyone is available for transfer if the price is met. There are no takers because the asking price is too high. Not only that, if we sold them, we'd have no subs. Liverpool simply can't afford to pay the amounts required to keep the sort of reserve team the likes of Man City have happy.

11.) 28 Aug 2018 13:58:42
Nice memory LFCfan_Beef. Include klopp in the list who wanted Julian brandt over Salah 😂😂😂.

12.) 28 Aug 2018 14:15:05

Any pro footballer could easily play for a pub team

They’re not likely to fail the trial game.

13.) 28 Aug 2018 15:17:31
I’ve missed Harry simply because his posts make me feel smarter.

14.) 28 Aug 2018 15:33:00
I’ve missed Harry’s passion. Glad you are back mate, hope all is well with you.

15.) 28 Aug 2018 16:12:59
Harry, in reality that line up would only ever play together against lower league teams in the cup. I think the point is that if you put one or two in at a time, it doesn't considerably drop the quality of the first 11. That's what having a strong squad is about.

16.) 28 Aug 2018 16:12:59
Harry, in reality that line up would only ever play together against lower league teams in the cup. I think the point is that if you put one or two in at a time, it doesn't considerably drop the quality of the first 11. That's what having a strong squad is about.

17.) 28 Aug 2018 17:32:51
Sensible post. If you play Mignolet and Moreno together against any opposition, you are certain to concede.
Matip is not fat either. Very poor defender who should have sold last year instead of Klavan.
Clyne. Not good enough, no takers and nothing to do with the price. Simply no takers
Lallana - Again no takers / loyalty. Klopp does like a few for reasons beyond our head. He is like Wayne Rooney now. No use to the first team or second team.
Sturridge - Not even good knows if he would remain fit for the season.
Origi - Not wanted. Available for transfer. Nobody would be willing pay a decent money on “Huge potential” as many claims here

If you play any two of them together it would seriously affect our game/ style/ outcome.

18.) 28 Aug 2018 18:08:13
Nonsense Harry, you could easily play Shaqiri, Fabinho, Henderson or Lovren in the first team and very little would change. The rest of the players are back ups, that means they are not first choice players. All of them are perfectly acceptable as back up players. No team has 22 world class players. Stop trying to make FIFA into real life.

19.) 28 Aug 2018 18:28:38
Did we concede in every game Migs and Moreno played in last season? Genuine question I’m interested to know the answer which I expect to be no. That then kind of makes your ‘certain to concede’ and bit silly really.

20.) 28 Aug 2018 18:49:59
Man Utd, Huddersfield, Southampton, Stoke. All games in which both Mignolet and Moreno played and we kept a clean sheet.

21.) 28 Aug 2018 19:28:41
I also wanted Xhaka. Not for his football ability. Just so I could hear the midfield lineup starting "Xhaka, Can . "

22.) 28 Aug 2018 20:15:19
Harry, what does that even mean?

23.) 28 Aug 2018 21:23:20
Actually surprised he's not on the Chelsea page talking about Kovacic lol.

24.) 28 Aug 2018 21:39:51
Did I not mention “A few of them” peeps 🤔🤔.
BRover, It means we are having a lot of players who wouldn’t improve our first eleven or the bench. Simples!




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18 Aug 2018 11:37:05
Cracking question then Firmane and again great insight in the answer Ed002. Been following football for 36 years yet every days a school day on here.




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15 Aug 2018 17:17:08
Cheers Ed002. A fountain of knowledge as per usual.





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09 Dec 2018 17:30:21
Ed is there a link for it I can’t find it. Thanks.




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09 Dec 2018 17:31:15
Ed ignore last comment it’s literally just down the page 🤦🏻‍♂️.




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09 Dec 2018 15:57:41
Wirral I 2nd that mate. Great debate on here and enjoyed reading everyone’s opinions including the guys whos were different to my own. Ynwa.




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09 Dec 2018 14:54:48
I’m going to watch Wijnaldum a lot more closely now especially if he scores to see if I notice the change in him as a player.

Redwolf read my post again mate. I never once said Hendo hides I said Wijnaldum gets accused of hiding when he does similar work to Hendo.

Seano I think you might find that Wijnaldum stats outshine Hendos this season with regards to tackling, passing and forward passing but that is no surprise as he has started 95% of games and Hendo has started less than 50%. Perhaps Wijnaldum's biggest strength is the fact he is available week in week out and Hendo sadly isn’t.




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09 Dec 2018 13:59:31
Ed001 cheers for replying to my comment mate as I respect your opinion and obviously know you’re a busy man. In my defence mate I wouldn’t go as far as saying I’m concocting a conspiracy theory regarding Wijnaldum and agree he didn’t have his best game yesterday. I’m not saying he should be a starter as I actually don’t believe there’s much difference between him, Milner, Hendo and From what I’ve seen Fab in his short time here. But he seems to get a lot more criticism. He has started 14 of the 16 games and I honestly don’t believe we would have been undefeated in them if he was dreadful or hiding and we were playing with 10 men as some have suggested in the past. If we had everyone available he wouldn’t actually make my starting midfield but I do think he gets a bit of unfair criticism compared to others. Please don’t take as a personal dig at yourself as it’s far from it. Like I said I totally respect your opinion and this is just mine. Brilliant site and love reading it numerous times of day.


{Ed001's Note - I get what you are saying, I just disagree that criticism of him hiding is the same as that of Henderson or Lucas. It is fully justified as he does it a lot in away games. It is not like playing with ten men, as he does not spend 90 minutes hiding. What he does it hide in periods of games. He seems to struggle with confidence issues, because at home, with the crowd behind him, he does not do it. Also I have noticed when he scores he is suddenly everywhere showing for the ball and making driving runs, which he doesn't do much.

I have been watching him since he was a youngster and I know what he is capable of. We have seen less than 65% of his true capability and that is why he gets so much stick. It is not because what he does goes under the radar, it is because he is playing within himself. He has been a devastating attacking force in the past from a midfield position, but for us he just plays safe too often. That was fine when the front 3 were firing on all cylinders, but this season when they started poorly he should have stepped up.}