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06 Dec 2018 22:58:39
I have just read a report of a post match interview with the Burnley manager in which he called Daniel Sturridge a ‘cheat’ and said he ‘went down with no one near him’ to win a free kick. This from a manager with Ashley ‘Don’t breathe on me from behind or I will fall over’ Barnes in his team! What a two-faced so-and-so.

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1.) 07 Dec 2018 04:41:48
Two wrongs don’t make a right mate. Sturridge clearly dived and it was disgraceful.

2.) 07 Dec 2018 05:00:32
To be honest he did go down without contact, from what I saw in the replay.

3.) 07 Dec 2018 05:56:40
I mean he didn’t say anything wrong. I love Klopp but he was wrong imo. The game is physical. Sometimes bad challenges happen. Sometimes good challenges cause injuries. But we can all agree that losing because of a dive is the worst. (Not saying Burnley lost because of a dive, just making the point) .

4.) 07 Dec 2018 06:50:13
Burnley clearly had a plan to upset us with hard tackles. I don't necessarily think it's wrong but its dangerous the way they were sliding around in the first half.

5.) 07 Dec 2018 07:14:51
Dyche is under pressure. Managers will say a lot of stupid things but they get worse when they’re under pressure.

6.) 07 Dec 2018 07:37:35
Yeah exactly Ron, Jose is in the same boat.

7.) 07 Dec 2018 08:21:42
I wasn’t making any comment on whether Sturridge dived or not, or whether the Burnley tackling was out of order or not. I was pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of the Burnley manager criticising a Liverpool player for doing the same as at least one of his own players.

8.) 07 Dec 2018 09:10:38
Sturridge dived for the first free kick, not the second he was clearly pulled back, saying that the first free kick if sturridge left his left leg there it was getting whacked so its an odd one, you can see it from both points of view and with what Wirral was actually stating Dyche can't complain when his front men realised they couldn't bully Matip or VVD so decided to drop to the floor in hope of a free kick all the time.

9.) 07 Dec 2018 13:49:22
So often you hear people say that players have to go down to show they’ve been fouled because the refs don't give free kicks or pens unless they do, a lot of the time. I’d like to think that the ref realised that was the case, in this instance and that's why he gave the free kick because clearly, if he stood there, he’d have been booted over anyway. It’s not a dive to avoid what would otherwise be an obvious foul.

The trouble with Sturridge, like ed said, is that he does it too much and so the times that it’s a fair challenge he’s never going to keep the ball as he’s already moved out of the way. I like Sturridge a lot, but his game is based on jinking around players and drawing fouls, not getting stuck in when that extra bit of courage can cause loose balls and uncertainty in the defence.



03 Dec 2018 20:16:45
In all the excitement of the epic derby victory, let us not forget that Arsenal are doing their best to prove Negative Walter right and most other posters on this site wrong. Walter, I apologise for doubting your footballing judgement, indeed, for doubting your sanity. I still don’t think they will finish above Liverpool but they are certainly giving everyone above them something to think about. I take my hat off to you, you miserable ****.

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1.) 03 Dec 2018 22:47:51
The most notable thing about Arsenal is Emerys substitution. I still feel that we lost the Euorpa league final in first five min of second half because of Emerys half time tactic change.

2.) 03 Dec 2018 23:36:55
SSo Emery told Moreno to have a brainfart and let in the first goal, is that right Crazy? Yeah, right. Sevilla was the better team from the off and since we did not take our chance in the first half (with two penalties not given) we were always vulnerable to them coming back and they did. Even when we were on top of them in the first half, they never panicked and that scared me even during the game so I was not surprised with the result cos the heirachy was respected, all said and done. Emery had won two EL's with the same team while Klopp had us for 5 months. In hindsight, disappointed BUT not surprised.

As for Arsenal, they seem to be up for the big games and most of them have been away from home. We shall see what they are like when they play the big teams away from home.

3.) 04 Dec 2018 00:34:33
I always felt like it was premature to discredit Arsenal and even Chelsea. both these teams have fantastic players in their squads but lost their way under previous managers. it's not surprising for me to see them turn it around quite quickly.

4.) 04 Dec 2018 16:10:27
Redwolf, he did not ask to moreno to have a brain fart, he found the weakest link and attacked it. Yes we did not take our chances in the first half, but in the secind half we we completely outdone by Emerys tactics. Just look at the Spurs game, he did not ask Vertogen to not show up for game, but that did happen. Unbeaten in 19 games is an achievement, let's accept it. He found Torriero who is a gem of a player as well.
Lets give them the credit and the respect they deserve.



03 Dec 2018 07:16:52
half chances. The Sky commentators and pundits got carried away with Everton’s improvement and in my opinion did not call it as the deserved victory for Liverpool which it actually was.

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{Ed025's Note - now why does that not surprise me?..

1.) 03 Dec 2018 08:09:06
Those last 2 posts of mine got a bit disjointed, it was actually 1 post in response to an earlier one from Something Red.

Come on Ed025, this is a Liverpool banter site - surely I am allowed to parade my bias? If I was to read the posts on the Everton site I am sure that they would not be a model of impartiality.

{Ed025's Note - i have said before that being biased is fine by me WW, its what all supporters do and i dont have a problem with it mate, in fact i would be very sceptical of your intentions if you wer,nt..

2.) 03 Dec 2018 09:18:04
It’s just one of those things. Football swings in roundabouts.

Everton deserved nothing to from this fixture last season, truly outplayed only to have a penalty awarded against us.

Yesterday’s game, whilst we really should have put the game to bed with a host of missed chances, a draw would probably been about right.



03 Dec 2018 07:14:50
Something Red, in my opinion that is a perfect analysis of the contribution made by Gomes. I was at the game but sometimes you can get a distorted perception because of the crowd reaction to certain incidents, players, refereeing decisions, etc so I watched a recording of the full game again when I got home. That confirmed to me at least everything you say about Gomes and that Fabhino and Wijnaldum bossed the midfield. Everton were better than I expected but still had 2 clear chances (Mina and Gomes) and 1 half chance (Walcott) while Liverpool had 5 clear chances (Mane 2, Shaqiri, Origi 2 including his goal) and numer.

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1.) 03 Dec 2018 15:41:18
thought it was a very good tight game and to be fair Everton did give us a hard game, and maybe one goal would win this Derby game,
we had 5 maybe 6 good chances to score, we should have got two goals at least, Everton, maybe one, but our goalie and defence stood strong,
only five goals conceded in 14 games, amazing,
Fab and Gini work well together, so that's a big plus for midfield, the jury is still out on Keita,
Bobby not playing well, holding us back a bit,
the celebrations after the goal will def go down in folk law, klopp was something special, and I hope that he is left alone by the FA, it was all emotion,
it was a massive 3 points, and a massive win over Everton, who played well, and found a great player in Gomes, they will do well to keep hold of him,
we are staying close to Man City, who I think will draw a game soon, if we can win the same weekend, it will make for an exciting run in .



28 Oct 2018 20:47:37
In his weekly column in a Sunday newspaper, Graeme Souness asserts that Manchester City have the best midfield trio in the world in David Silva, Kevin De Bruyne and Fernandinho. He also thinks that City’s midfield could be decisive in the battle with Liverpool for the PL title. I am not sure about either of those assertions but I take his point about the comparative strengths of the City and Liverpool midfields. I would guess that Klopp had concerns about this at the end of last season as he signed Fabinho, Keita and, when the Fekir deal fell through, Shaqiri. I think Fabhino has shown signs over the last 2 games that he could rival Fernandinho as a defensive midfielder. I haven’t seen enough of Keita yet to judge if he’ll can rival De Bruyne as a box-to-box midfielder but I have great hopes of him. I don’t think Shaqiri will ever be as good as Silva but some of his touches in recent games, including his goal against Cardiff, were positively Silva-esque.

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{Ed025's Note - you said your not sure about souness,s assumptions wirral...then go on to confirm how right he is mate..

1.) 28 Oct 2018 21:09:12
Ed025, perhaps you are right. I should explain that I am not sure about City’s midfield trio being the best in the world only because I haven’t seen enough of those from other teams. And while I agree with Souey that City’s midfield is better than Liverpool’s, I don’t necessarily see that as being decisive in the battle for the PL title - I would back our front three against City’s all day long and that could be decisive. I guess the point I was trying to make (not very well, obviously) is that we could be closing the gap in midfield quality with the signings Of Fabinho, Keita and Shaqiri.
Do you think the clocks going back have made me delirious?

{Ed025's Note - probably wirral :), the way i see it is that liverpools attack is better than city,s, their midfield is stronger than liverpools, and for me liverpools defence is slightly superior even though i think citys back line has had some unfair criticism in my view, the bench is where city have the biggest advantage though mate as they can draft in an amazing array of talent as opposed to the reds above average one, saying that if liverpool can keep the majority of their top stars fit there is no reason why the reds cant win the title but that is of course in the lap of the gods..

2.) 28 Oct 2018 21:14:45
For me I don't see the value in seeking validation from pundits about our squad. You can rank and rate teams etc, but at the end of the day the highest performing club will win out after 38 games. We are in with a great shout and we can achieve great things with this squad as is and to be fair, even if we win the title this year City would still have an overall better squad. We just got to put it together over the whole season and we'll do alright!

{Ed025's Note - spot on faith..

3.) 28 Oct 2018 22:07:57
Great reply to WW Ed's 025, unlucky today thought you were worth the draw, i was cheering you on.

{Ed025's Note - cheers mate..

4.) 28 Oct 2018 23:03:13
Spot on, Faith. No pint reading too much into what a pundit (s) says or when in this case, they are stating the bl**ding obvious. City have better players and and a better overall squad than ours. That much is clear so why Souness is going on about that, beats me. Having said that tho, it all comes down to what players are deployed in certain games based on the oppositions strengths and weaknesses.

Klopp is able to do this better IMO cos he has diff. ways of playing his system and has the squad with diverse options to choose from. A knid of "Horses for courses" approach if you like. Not sure Pep's City can do that cos he only plays one way (except vs LFC) . City having a better squad does NOT in any way mean we can't beat them to the PL title this season. One does not always equal the other. As Faith said tho, if we can put it all together this season and with some luck on the pitch and with injuries, we may just pip them to the title.




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28 Nov 2018 19:30:48
Firminosteeth, spot on with the team. news, good for you mate.

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13 Nov 2018 14:11:22
According to James Pearce in the Echo, it is connected to his loan move to West Brom in January. In my view, if bookies are stupid enough to offer odds on which team a player is going to sign for, whether permanently or on loan, they deserve to be ripped off by any punter with or without inside information.

Haven’t the FA got more important matters to investigate like the totally incompetent, possibly corrupt, bunch of PL referees? A slap on the wrist for Studge at worst.

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19 Jul 2018 17:45:10
LFC-S Mango, do you not think it is possible that Klopp made conditional promises to players such as Grujic and Ward who have let themselves down by not performing in training, thereby foregoing the opportunity to feature in the first team? Just a thought.

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19 Jul 2018 16:41:31
ArAy1969, I agree with every single word you have written. Excellent post.

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18 Jul 2018 22:42:26
Ed025, I love a good Delboy quote 😄. Don’t get me wrong, if everyone else was available Wijnaldum wouldn’t be my first choice as a starter in an away game against, say, City or Spurs but I wouldn’t have any qualms about him in any game, starting or off the bench. He never let’s us down and by all accounts he is a great guy to have around the training ground and dressing room. Definitely one to keep for me.

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{Ed025's Note - i just dont see where he will fit in now WW, milner gets in before him for me mate and he wont get much game time either..




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10 Dec 2018 12:05:01
Well done to Raheem Sterling for speaking out on the media issue. I have never had a problem with him leaving Liverpool for City (although I was sad to see him go and I accept that the manner of his departure was annoying to most Liverpool fans) and I cannot understand the incessant abuse he gets at Anfield and every other ground he plays at except the Etihad. He is an excellent player, he is strong but not overly aggressive, he does not come across as arrogant so why the hate? As for the media, I get mad when they slant stories about Liverpool (the football club and the city) to suit their own agenda so I can only imagine how it feels to have them do the same based on the race of the subject of their stories. It is hard to avoid this blatant media bias but I do not respond to click bait, I refuse to even look at red top tabloids and I keep well away from the dreadful Sky Sports News.

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09 Dec 2018 14:47:49
With reference to this string about Wijnaldum, Ed01 and posters on both sides of the debate have contributed with rational arguments while respecting alternative opinions and without resorting to personal abuse. That is why this is the only site I have ever contributed to. Respect guys.

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{Ed001's Note - it makes a nice change when that happens! And I am glad you feel happy to contribute on here.}



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09 Dec 2018 13:11:57
Seano, you make your case very well although from a quite biased perspective in my opinion, but I cannot answer your question “Why should Wijnaldum start ahead of any other of our midfielders? ” Klopp has Milner, Henderson, Fabhino and Wijnaldum to choose from for the central/ defensive midfield positions as well as Keita, Lallana and Shaqiri for other wider/ more advanced midfield positions. The fact that he consistently selects Wijnaldum, even when others are available, indicates to me that the manager is very happy with the contribution Wijnaldum makes to the team. To be clear, I don’t think Wijnaldum is our best, or even one of our best, midfield players (and I have said so in previous posts) but I do think that to call his performance ‘dreadful’ and to describe him as a ‘passenger’ is way over the top. I like the comparison with Lucas made by Swishcleaner - Lucas was a whipping boy for some fans until he became a Liverpool legend.

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09 Dec 2018 10:04:15
RedWolf, Keita was ‘subdued but solid’ while Wijnaldum was ‘invisible’ and ‘hiding’. Any chance of a little bit of anti-Wijnaldum bias there mate? As JK23 pointed out, Wijnaldum has started 14 out of 16 PL games (only being subbed off twice) and 5 out of 5 CL games. Doesn’t that tell you that he is doing exactly the job that the manager wants from him, with the ball and importantly without the ball. If he really does ‘hide’ (whatever that means) in away games he wouldn’t get near the bench, never mind be an almost certain starter.

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09 Dec 2018 09:45:23
Some posters just can’t wait to have a go at Wijnaldum. In my opinion ‘dreadful’ is a ridiculous word to describe his performance. He wasn’t brilliant yesterday but he worked well in tandem with Fabinho and, guess what, we won 4-0!

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