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09 Apr 2018 19:10:11
Just saw an article on us being interested in Ndidi, person breaking story is the same who broke the Keita deal.

BERGENRED

1.) 09 Apr 2018 20:27:13
Not true mate im affraid. Ed001 has said he is one he would go after but no interest from us sadly.


2.) 09 Apr 2018 20:42:55
Yes Nndidi.


3.) 09 Apr 2018 23:22:29
Would love Ndidi.


4.) 10 Apr 2018 08:13:23
Sound like ned Flanders ace!


5.) 10 Apr 2018 13:38:39
Ndiddly squat ;)


6.) 10 Apr 2018 17:21:20
Would prefer Doucoure personally.


 

 

15 Jun 2016 23:11:52
This is going to sound like a wind up but it's not. Live in New Jersey went to my local Pizzaria, owned by a Napoli and former resident of supporter and he said did you hear Klopp was at the Argentina game last night. We always talk football not many in my neck of the woods do. They say he was watching one of their players etc. so there you heard from my local pizza guy!

BERGENRED

1.) 15 Jun 2016 23:18:51
Gonzo Higuain? 😉.


2.) 15 Jun 2016 23:47:05
Gorgonzola Deep Pan more like.

Everyone wants a slice of Klopp it would appear. It'll take a good rumour to top that one.


3.) 16 Jun 2016 05:14:45
I could TOP it 😉.


4.) 16 Jun 2016 05:16:44
Bit of a cheesey rumour if you ask me.
Sure it wasn't Gonzo Hawaiian and higuain he was looking at?
I'll stop there. I could go on but I'll save some for the morning.


5.) 16 Jun 2016 10:51:36
Smells fishy to me.
Could be the anchovies though ;)


6.) 16 Jun 2016 11:00:14
Now now. There's no need to take the "pizza". He is a "goodfella" for posting. Rumours will "deep pan" as the "seasoning" draws near and the fake rumours will topple like "dominoes". Thanks to Eds for all the hard work, we know you don't get any "dough" for doing this. God I need a life.


7.) 16 Jun 2016 11:51:22
Hopefuly we are getting a slice of good luck, anyway hope we get it boxed off as the temperature is rising.


8.) 16 Jun 2016 21:06:30
We won't sign Higuain, it'll be another that Pasta's by.


9.) 16 Jun 2016 22:17:56
Stop taking the pizza!


10.) 17 Jun 2016 11:29:59
Heard he can hit a good dough ball.


11.) 18 Jun 2016 20:59:34
Looking at a defender front river plate i read.


 

 

 

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04 Oct 2023 16:55:55
So I’m still caught up on the UAE connection on this VAR shambles. I’m not one to believe conspiracy theories and all that chaos. I honestly believe what needs to be done next is a proper investigation into referees from other leagues involved in doing side jobs in the UAE. First would be pay. Are certain refs paid more than others especially if higher paid ones are also working in their FT gigs in a league that has team ownership in their FT league gig. That’s a starting point. If there are referees being paid more than other UAE referees and they are also working in a league that has ownership in UAE (league itself vs team) and same ownership has a team in that referees league it would be at best highly questionable. This entire thing is just looking like a total con job. Was it Ed01 below who had a reply on how if a teams owner were going to cheat they wouldn’t enhance their team they’d make it harder for the competition, something along those lines.

BERGENRED

1.) 04 Oct 2023 17:56:51
They need to sack them bergenred. Sporting integrity is massively compromised even if it was because of pure incompetence. The bar is low but it cannot be accepted to lower it to this level. If this is not low enough for meaningful punishment what is? I would be willing to accept a six month suspension and some changes. I wouldn't be happy about it but it would just about be palatable.

If they are back in the week after next or before Christmas then I'm out. Step too far for me to watch a sport with completely corrupt refereeing.


2.) 04 Oct 2023 18:41:48
Davey, I have worked in IT for almost a decade and have managed incidents as an Incident Manager which is what this VAR stuff is. If I did what Darren England did and single handedly refused to break protocol to get the correct the root cause of the incident then, I would either be sacked or I would be on some serious probation.


3.) 04 Oct 2023 18:20:48
Think you make a good point Bergen. Be interesting to see if the ref Who did the Wolves game at the weekend is getting paid in the UAE this week. This all needs clear and transparent.

{Ed002's Note - It is clear and transparent. And in other leagues, Japan, Greece, Saudi and Champions League, Europa League and Europa Cup etc.. It is like the Liverpool supporters don’t t know this.}


4.) 04 Oct 2023 19:48:34
There iss no way premier league st officals should be working in uae r saudi considering them people own 2 major clubs in england. A complete conflict of intere.


5.) 04 Oct 2023 20:10:44
Sorry I disagree with referees not being allowed to do games abroad it's like overtime. Listen many a year ago I was suspended for 6months from refereeing for over ruling my linesman so why do the higher up not get suspended for more than 2 games as i've said before i was a working man IE apostie not in a high profile job that's what is wrong with most of them starting with fergies fav howard webb tell me I'm wrong.

{Ed002's Note - What is wrong with it. Who will referee Champions League, Europa League and Europa Cup games. What is the issue?}


6.) 04 Oct 2023 20:18:41
Ed, Bruce grobellaar took bungs to throw matches, Clubs in Italy have been shown to be involved in high level max fixing. yet you talk as if match fixing is an impossibility, and either block posts like this or get enraged.

{Ed002's Note - There has been no match-fixing in the Premier League - huge amounts of effort have made to ensure that is the case.}


7.) 04 Oct 2023 20:42:08
To be clear, as for reffing in another league. I’m not saying the can’t ref in champions league etc but more specifically as an example UAE and PL. completely different leagues that aren’t in similar competitions .


8.) 04 Oct 2023 20:51:29
Can we try to get away from the idea that “the Liverpool supporters” are a single entity that all think the same thing at the same time?

Like Oli, I work in IT and have done so since 1984. VAR is a piece of technology, in today’s technology jargon it is a ‘service’. Basically speaking there is a Service Provider (the suppliers of the technology) a Service Owner (broadly speaking, the FA) and Services Users (broadly speaking, the match day officials and, by association, the clubs, with quality assurance of the service being provided by PGMOL.

As with a large percentage of IT based services the technology is fit for purpose, that is to say the technology is capable of providing the capability that the Service Owner has asked for. The thing is, again, in my 40 years experience in IT, that the Service Owner hasn’t really been able to define the full extent of what the Service should include, how the process to execute the service should work and what the acceptable success criteria are (and how they are measured) when a service is introduced. This lack of definition, of quality assurance measures and the definition of what success looks like are nearly always evident in the introduction of new services - like VAR for instance.

Within IT there are guiding principles (for want of a better phrase) - incorporated within a thing called the IT Infrastructure Library (ITIL) which talks about Services being ‘fit for use’ - provides the appropriate technical solution requested by the Service Owner and ‘fit for purpose’ which ensures that the Service Users are able to use the service provided to obtain the results they want.

In my opinion, VAR is currently ‘fit four use’ but is not, as yet, ‘fit for purpose’.

I think that its use should be suspended for the rest of the season while the process that determines how the VAR team reaches decisions and communicates with the outside world are reviewed and amende.

It’s not corruption, it’s actually a process problem that is, at heart, easy to rectify - if the FA wants to provide me with a lucrative contract for the next 6 months I’d be happy to provide consultation on how to fix the problem.

There was an old marketing adage, back in the day that said, roughly, that for every bad experience a customer had in a shop it took seven good experiences to take away thoughts of the bad one. At the moment VAR is providing (the perception of) multiple bad experiences every week. If clear and positive steps aren’t taking very soon, the idea of ‘corruption’ isn’t going to go away.

Sorry, techs rant over.


9.) 04 Oct 2023 21:13:50
I guess the UAE question is not about corruption but whether it is sensible for refs to take long flight back 48 hours before a PL kick-off and whether the long flight contributed to their pathetic performance.


10.) 04 Oct 2023 21:23:15
Another part of the process not working @Barak.

Setting aside the reasons for PL officials being sent off around the world, there is obviously a link missing between what the officials were doing and where they were on a Thursday and then on Saturday. I’m sure the formation would have been available but it might not have reached the right people, at the right time to join the dots. Might be corruption at work or might be ineptitude. might even be both, but certainly you can put measures in place to red flag such events.


11.) 04 Oct 2023 21:47:25
Why isn’t VAR controlled by AI?
It would improve and learn every game, its trajectory would be constantly upwards whereas humans make more and more unfathomable mistakes. It would be swift, it would be consistent.

Any suggestion of reducing the ridiculous number of officials would be instantly dismissed by PGMOL despite the obvious benefits to the game.

{Ed002's Note - There has been no thoughts about having VAR controlled by AI but there was a attempt to add the semi-automated offside decision functionality to the PL agenda for last June but enough clubs, including Liverpool, objected.There May be another attempt next June.}


12.) 04 Oct 2023 22:32:52
Ed2- I have the highest respect for you mate. Even when you put me in my place. Admittedly- that’s easy enough- I am an idiot. Really though- I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with you more than on this topic. It’s not just about pool. It’s about the league as a whole. Every other top European league has been done for match fixing. I find it incredible that the premier league is the only league above such things. Especially when, right now- it feels there are so many things are awry with the game. I respect that you believe a lot of money has gone into keeping up the integrity. But come on- between you and me mate- city have done very well since var has been introduced. Go on- admit it- and set this site on meltdown.

{Ed002's Note - If Liverpool have evidence of match fixing then they should declare it and the matter will be taken very seriously. They have not implied that they do and neither has anyone else except Liverpool supporters.}


13.) 04 Oct 2023 23:24:15
I'm already out Davey. Might watch the Europa but probably not won't be watching the league or motd again. Already tell out of love with the game now I couldn't care less, would rather go watch Bootle or a local team.


14.) 04 Oct 2023 23:31:02
Well city have been cheating for over ten years stevie wonder could could have seen it faster, is it that unthinkable they paid for favourable decisions in title races because we have been consistently done by var to be just human error some refs don't like liverpool imo.


15.) 05 Oct 2023 00:07:41
Why must there be evidence for there to even be plausibility? It’s like arriving somewhere ten minutes earlier than you should have by car and then someone having to prove you were speeding even though you passed no cameras. Or, a little more obscure, someone stealing cheese from a mousetrap. Everyone knows it was the mouse - just the trap didn’t go off. If everyone expects VAR to be the issue then there is your cover.

There’s a particularly prescient episode of 'Inside No.9', where a referee has his own agenda. I won't ruin the twist too much, but it is well worth a look.

Not all crime is organised is all I’m saying and nothing should be ruled out.


16.) 05 Oct 2023 01:17:50
I don’t believe it’s match fixing, but I do believe there is unconscious and/ or conscious bias in referees, and that’s almost impossible to remove from human nature. You can only mitigate it as much as possible through clear and transparent decisions. I also 100% agree with WDW that the technology works, but the use case design is not fit for purpose (yet) and needs to be reviewed. At the moment, the uncertainty in the use case is allowing these biases to come through in full force rather than being managed.

The mix of the two issues is not only Liverpool specific and is multi-faceted. For example Mike Dean choosing not to overrule a decision for his mate through conscious bias, and then VaR giving him the option to do so (actually worse, VARs design also created the situation where the proper use of the technology was seen as throwing the onfield referee under the bus…how is that a good thing? ) . Same situation with the Wolves/ Man Utd non-intervention I believe, where some sort of bias was at play.

In last weeks game it was very Liverpool specific however, whether it was the intervention in Curtis’s penalty, the overlooking of protocol in showing the freeze frame, the decisions on Jotas first yellow, Robbo’s yellow, Salah’s ‘foul’ when through in goal etc….

Conscious or un-conscious, the evidence of last weeks games mass of decisions, mixed with a shocking VAR error that they refused to even debate resolving, was just a horrendous refereeing performance.

If there would be one good thing to come of all this, it would hopefully be refining the use case of VAR to
1) align the use of the technology to support rather than overrule the onfield ref
2) eliminate any lack of clarity that allows biases to be expressed while hiding behind the laws of the technology
3) simplify and streamline processes and accountability so decisions sit with one person only and no-one can hide behind a ‘system’, or broad organisation, as that just exacerbates the tendencies for biases to be expressed more openly

I would reiterate that not all biases are conscious…. this is not necessarily always cheating, but the outcome is no less impactful as it DOES undermine sporting integrity if we don’t get it right.


17.) 05 Oct 2023 05:13:08
@Ron, because VAR technology is basically old. In essence it has been used in NFL and cricket for donkey’s tears (using modern world concentration span as a measure) . It’s also used in Rugby Union and Rugby League and, no doubt other sports around the world.

I think the FA didn’t bother to read the ‘user guide’. ?.


18.) 05 Oct 2023 05:42:59
I'm pretty sure they are using the automated offside checker in the CL his season. Seems to work well watching the Newcastle game today. Bring that in and with goal line tech we should have the major issues (goals and offsides) covered. The other stuff ie red cards they can use the VAR. Personally w automated offsides and goal line tech I'd sack the VAR off and just go w the on field decisions. I think the blatant cheating by the players would drastically reduce and we might just have a better on field product with less controversy.


19.) 05 Oct 2023 07:15:29
SG you raise excellent points and I suspect that 100s if not 1000s of games in history have been decided by such bias rather than deliberate cheating.


20.) 05 Oct 2023 07:16:21
I guess the only way to take bias out of var decisions is to not have refs on the var panel and to have people independant of the refs there should be no connection between the var and the ref to put a stop to the ok mate looking at it now mate, mike dean great example. Prem refs are the top of the tree for refs, they get good money compared to lower league refs imagine if that was a championship game and you miss out on promotion to the prem as a result of that reffing from saturday, the prem has var to do away with bad decisions yet it seems more bad decisions with var than without so the bias thing and do your mate a favour thing and fill their own pockets is closer to the truth than one would imagine.


21.) 05 Oct 2023 07:47:32
Funny how all the IT professionals comes out now …. Lol sorry couldn’t help it after the comments made about accountants coming out the woodwork when it’s finance related.


22.) 04 Oct 2023 23:15:08
Ed I know a lot of Spurs supporters and every single one of them agrees that there is a good possibility that the game on Saturday was fixed.

They are all laughing and happily taking the 3 points but they know that something was badly wrong with the overall officiating in that game.

My point is it’s not just Liverpool fans who are suggesting that match officials are involved in match fixing. Any football fan with an ounce of intelligence knows that there is so much money in controlling that outcome of football matches it is more likely that there is match fixing in some form than not.

{Ed002's Note - There is no evidence whatsoever that it is fixed.}


23.) 04 Oct 2023 23:15:46
I’m not sure they will in truth. It might help if some of us pool fans questioned decisions that go against our rivals going forward. (providing similar things occur) Instead of what just involves us. I was tongue in cheek earlier with my question but I do appreciate the reply. Have a nice night mate.


24.) 05 Oct 2023 07:13:29
hello ed2. There wonnt be any evidence as th evidence would be v high fees which they get out in uae. all them payments are legal. what a lot of us are saying is they shouldn't be going there in 1st place, totally wrong annd leads to a conversation like this.

{Ed002's Note - They are paid to scale for gams hosted in other countries - why bother if you have nothing useful to say.}


25.) 05 Oct 2023 10:31:04
Pretty sure other premier league club’s fans have made claims of match fixing and corruption.

WWW3 I totally agree with you about the process bit needing to be fine tuned before rolling VAR 2.0. At the same time it is amazingly unbelievable that we are this many years into it and we have this rabble of a mess.

{Ed002's Note - In cases where it has been true.}


26.) 05 Oct 2023 11:29:14
Are you seriously suggest Ed that referees bring in the employ of the owners of Man City, when working in the UAE, do not in anyway have issues regarding conflict of interest? I’m sorry but it is tempting fate and it just should not happen. Officiating in other countries, and/ or in other competitions, is fair enough, but when your salary is being paid by current owners of a club in a league you manage, then common sense should surely prevail?

{Ed002's Note - Who told you they are in the employ of the Manchester City owners when in the UAE. They are paid to an agreed scale and are not employed or paid for by the State.}


27.) 05 Oct 2023 12:56:37
Luckily, Daniel Craig is a Liverpool fan and is currently on an assignment somewhere in Manchester even as we speak.


28.) 05 Oct 2023 13:12:41
IT question about VAR……have they tried turning it off and on again?


29.) 05 Oct 2023 14:06:46
@Magico, it is the people running it that should be turned of and turned back on, if you asked me.


30.) 05 Oct 2023 14:06:52
@Tom27, I must admit, that was hilarious. I was just shocked that this whole VAR process was the same as the job I do. It's really not that complicated BUT somehow, the PGMOL and Webbo made it like rocket science and like you have to have a degree in VAR resolution stdies to do the job.


 

 

02 Oct 2023 00:02:26
Not sure if this has been said before but going forward the captain should hold the game ball until VAR has successfully been confirmed. Take the yellow. LFC would be well within their right to take that step and confirm decision was correctly confirmed. They can be polite and no aggressive behavior over it and essentially state it as it is. After the Spurs game we are ensuring things are communicated properly before play resumes.

BERGENRED

1.) 02 Oct 2023 00:45:35
Even if the captain is already on a yellow?


2.) 02 Oct 2023 00:50:14
Rigsby if that’s the case then I’d say no, let the vice captain on the pitch do it.


3.) 02 Oct 2023 06:30:47
What about if the vice captain also has a yellow?


4.) 02 Oct 2023 08:31:01
Play to the whistle.
We were less than a minute away from getting a point at a top four rival away from home with nine men. They couldn't break us down and had to rely on a mistake from us to win.
We came from a goal down to win with ten men away from home at another top four rival.
We should keep showing that spirit.


5.) 02 Oct 2023 08:32:03
Well, I can see where this is going.


6.) 02 Oct 2023 08:42:52
Walking off and hanging onto the ball aren’t feasible solutions, it has to be something that is implementable and something we’d be happy to see other teams do.

I get the sense of injustice because of the decisions in the last game, but simplifIcation of the rules, improving decisions, and de-escalating the situation has to be the end goal, not making the game unplayable whenever someone doesn’t like an outcome.


7.) 02 Oct 2023 10:06:06
Walking off the pitch will never be the answer. That would only make matters worse. The players on both sides could not have possibly known Diaz was onside. Don't even think Diaz could have been 100% sure. For me VAR is not the issue it is the people implementing it in Stockley Park. Surely they must be watching the game live and realised the goal had been disallowed. If given the whole structure of the game changes from a Spurs free kick to a kick off. Also suggest that then Cody would not have been in the same situation and not picked up the injury.


 

 

25 May 2023 21:53:46
My god Chelsea are a mess. As bad as a season we have had, the money they've spent and to be where they are. It's sad really.

BERGENRED

1.) 25 May 2023 22:12:32
Sad? I think it's bloody hilarious!


2.) 25 May 2023 22:28:25
95% bloody hilarious.

5% sad on behalf of some very good friends who are Chelsea season ticket holders and absolutely distraught!

Can't believe they are going to finish in the BOTTOM HALF!

Actually, 98% hilarious, 2% sad.

Or maybe 99%/ 1%.


3.) 25 May 2023 23:30:41
With the money they've tied up in those 8 year long contracts, I think this could be the end for them. Their Leeds United spiral, if you will.


4.) 26 May 2023 00:06:34
I was trying to be nice by saying it’s sad…in truth we know it’s a gas.


5.) 26 May 2023 00:56:21
Spent half a billion and finished half way down the League - lucky they didn’t make it a billion or they’d have been relegated.


6.) 26 May 2023 06:14:20
Well it certainly isn’t sad ?. They are a shambles but nothing another £600 million won’t sort. They can’t see the wood for the trees at the minute, too many players and a fair few needing shipped out. I just wish they would let Frank have another go, quality manager ?.


7.) 26 May 2023 07:47:53
It's an embarrassment is what it is

The players have absolutely no will to even put in an effort, yet they get away with performances like last night without question

I'm starting to doubt that Poch will be able to change anything at Chelsea - not with these players at least.


8.) 26 May 2023 08:06:00
Anonymous… you’re on cloud 9 if you think they’re finished. Once they have a good manager at the helm for a few months they’ll be back. Chelsea despite an awful campaign often have a blip season then come back. Worry about the running of our shambolic club first aye.


9.) 26 May 2023 08:21:38
They played mostly kids last night. They have no real forward and have spent money on complete dross. The lad They bought from Shaktar is dreadful. think they paid 70 million for him. I feel sorry for Potter, although I'm sure the compensation they are currently paying him will ease the pain somewhat.


10.) 26 May 2023 08:23:55
The players don’t need to put in any effort, a large percentage of them seem to be there for the money and any glory that may come their way without any effort. Like I said, I’d love it if they were not able to play their version of ‘player all change’ in the summer and they were left with the same squad.


11.) 26 May 2023 08:35:10
And yet we still didn't beat them this season, feels like everyone else did!


12.) 26 May 2023 08:47:54
And yet we failed to beat them this season - and could have lost both games.


13.) 26 May 2023 09:11:18
A few years ago Chelsea finished mid table and the following season won the league.

I wouldn’t bet on them winning next seasons league but I also wouldn’t bet against them getting top 4.

Money doesn’t guarantee you success but City, Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea wouldn’t have won many of their premier league titles (or other titles) without spending big.

Would we have won our title if we didn’t buy the worlds most expensive Goalkeeper and Centre half?


14.) 26 May 2023 10:14:21
They’re pinning hopes on poch who has only won cups in France? I don’t see the hype with him imo.


15.) 26 May 2023 10:18:08
I tuned in this morning to watch a miracle. Within minutes I saw Murdyk miss a sitter and then Casemiro scored.

I guess I did witness a miracle. I'm led to believe that spending lots of money win won something, so it was a bit of a miracle to watch just about a billion dollars worth of humans prance around a pitch in blue shirts not winning anything.


16.) 26 May 2023 10:50:29
Nice attempt at a defence of the indefensible chaps. Chelsea have been woeful they are 4 wins above the relegation zone after 37 games and they are 40 odd points behind the top of the league.

Explain to me, as fans of Liverpool - Chelsea have a crap season and next year they’ll win the league, We have a crap year, qualify for Europe and we are on a downhilll path that means we are no chance of winning anything next year. And to think some people out there rate Liverpool fans.

Feel free to skip over this or, if you must, rationalise why my opinion isn’t valid.


17.) 26 May 2023 11:28:27
Not one post says Chelsea will win the league next season.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good narrative.

Must be those pesky casual fans again.


18.) 26 May 2023 11:44:33
Cant see them doing anything till 2030 meself. In fairness they are right on schedule aren't they.


19.) 26 May 2023 12:40:58
Lampard is a awful manager, talk about ruining a legacy, shocking appointment but they will be back next season, some of theri signings were awful, Madueke, Enzo (price really, he is a good player), Aubu even Havertz is looking rubbish and he is class, they will be back and probably finish above us, ha.


 

 

17 May 2023 21:38:02
To bad RM couldn't play like this when playing us.

BERGENRED

1.) 17 May 2023 21:49:55
The lovin for City is next level. I'm sure we don't get this when we play in Europe.

Its like they have already won it.

Real at the end of their cycle and we had them when they were at the top.

Is what it is.


2.) 17 May 2023 21:52:29
It's fixed, I'm telling you, hahahah (?) . Just another example of what a difference a year can make. Because I saw nothing remotely the same between the RM of last year and tonight. Could be finally Pep's year; I hope not.


3.) 17 May 2023 22:06:38
Were real at the top of their cycle 2 months ago and now they’re at the end of it. Their cycles are quicker than a lot of washing machines.


4.) 17 May 2023 22:07:01
city are an outstanding team who are without doubt the best team in Europe at min. The way they work off the field makes bit of a mockery of the rules but that's life, if u have enough money u can do what u like!


5.) 17 May 2023 22:20:57
Does it mean anything if you win by money doping?

No different to athletes taking steroids to win.

It is what it is.

Athletics died years ago and football will go the same way until it is properly regulated.

Not bitter … just disillusioned with the way football has been corrupted.


6.) 17 May 2023 22:35:45
Digger, cheating is still cheating regardless of how much money you have. As Tommy Gunn said, whether it is financial doping at footie clubs or athletes getting caught doping, it is what it is.

I guess since Lance Armstrong still brags about all the stuff he gained while cheating, people could just wave it aside as the ends justifies the means and just chalked it down with wretched cliches like "Well, everybody does it" which is just a rubbish take. Corruption and financial doping will wreck football the same way steroids wrecked baseball in the States for about 25 years and Cycling from the 90's till now IF nothing is done about it. Sad.


7.) 17 May 2023 23:02:01
Oli You said this City team are a shadow of their former selves. You change your mind like the bloody weather.


8.) 17 May 2023 23:04:34
Real Madrid stumbled their way to the final
Last year. They were outplayed in quarters, semis and final. Their name was on that trophy last season.


9.) 18 May 2023 01:56:26
Mark, I do think that this current City team are not as good as their previous iterations. For me, the team consisting of Kompany, David Silva, Fernandinho, and Aguero is better. They're recruitment has in general been quite poor and it says a lot that a few years on, they are still searching for a Kompany replacement. But that does not mean that their current team isn't good though. They still have a better team than most this season but for me, that is more down to their financial might and the ability to make mistakes in the transfer market with no repercussions. No other team in the world can write off a £50m left-back and just go out and buy another £60m left-back instead.


10.) 18 May 2023 03:39:39
The following may be a bit of a reach but I’d be interested to see what others think.
The whole situation with City is an absolute joke, but I’d be directing my ire at Liverpool more than anything. City were given a free reign to dominate football this season simply because Liverpool consistently refuse to strengthen to the extent they should. The evidence is clear: when Liverpool are off it, City dominate. Pep has been in high spirits all season because he knows Arsenal/ Bayern Munich etc. are nowhere near as dangerous as a good Liverpool team. We are the only club in football that he and Man City fear, and Liverpool’s poor season has given City the margin to compete on all fronts given the absence of mental and physical exhaustion caused by battles with the former. If Liverpool were strong, City would not have had the energy, confidence or concentration to trounce Real Madrid like that, and only Liverpool being good again will put a stop to it until Guardiola leaves. Pep is not as good as Klopp, but the combination of City’s money and his managerial skill is WAY too much to overcome 90% of the time.


11.) 18 May 2023 05:36:41
I can’t wait to see the scenes of their parade I wonder if Noel and the high flying birds will be doing a gig on the bus . to the masses ?.


12.) 18 May 2023 06:35:53
I’m playing on same line up as Noel and the High Flying Birds this summer ?.


13.) 18 May 2023 06:27:06
Not interested in city more interested in how in gods name did Ivan toney manage to avoid an immediate suspension from the game if the evidence to convict him and ban him for eight months was there, much in general with what is going on in football, but no surprise who Brentford play next Spurs hmmm me smells a rat, should never play the game again.

{Ed025's Note - the whole game is corrupt iron man..


14.) 18 May 2023 07:02:06
More a case of City making RM look bad. Oddly enough when a team plays really well the other team looks crap. Just praying for Inter somehow to do the impossible. I would nearly have United win trophies than City to be honest. At least United are a proper club.


15.) 18 May 2023 07:23:30
Oli. I'm not saying it's right what city do, I'm saying they get away with it because they are rich. Same as what a lot of rich, powerful people get away with in everyday life that an ordinary person wouldn't.


16.) 18 May 2023 09:47:53
Ed 25 how as fans do we get rid of it within the game
Can you think of a way to because I can’t which I think is the problem.

{Ed025's Note - you fine and ban the perpetrators Dhfc. It’s the only way mate..


17.) 18 May 2023 10:40:37
We were 2 nil up against this side in 15 mins, if we'd kept the high press high intensity game against them we'd have hammered them

City just showed how to beat them, go at them. Similar to how we've played against that City team - go at them. Give them time and space and they'll destroy you, so don't give them time or space

City are a great side, it's just a shame this team Guardiola has built is tainted by all the financial doping. I mean its so blatantly obvious to anyone but they simply out-lawyer their way out, and its sad because full kudos to Guardiola, the team he has built, the football he has them playing is truly special.


18.) 18 May 2023 10:53:32
Mark, Yes and I stand by that and many fans have that take as well including some on here. I said this City team is not as good as the one we went against betw. '17 and '20. That team will still beat this team at full strength. That is my opinion and I stand by it. Them beating an RM team that was dead awful in La Liga does not change a darn thing. So where have I changed my mind, exactly?


19.) 18 May 2023 10:54:15
Just remember though lads. They saved football.


20.) 18 May 2023 10:56:48
Excellent post right there, Dracred. Fully agree.


 

 

18 Apr 2023 21:22:44
Watching Chelsea and I not the first time watching Gallagher play I must say I wouldn't mind him playing for us. He has great energy, gets about the pitch, doesn't shy from a challenge and gets stuck in when needed. I'd say Klopp would help him raise his game.

BERGENRED

1.) 18 Apr 2023 22:06:46
Squad player maybe.


2.) 18 Apr 2023 22:40:35
My suspicion is that we will end up with one of either Mount or Gallagher. They have certain minimums that I guess they meet for our style of play, but it's their home grown status that will come in most handy; especially if Milner leaves. Jones gets counted and included this year (so maybe Kelleher can leave? ) and Elliott doesn't until next year when he turns 21.


3.) 19 Apr 2023 07:45:42
I have a feeling that Milner will get another season.
He is perfect to bring on in the last 15 minutes when the midfield have ran themselves into the ground.
I'm sure I read somewhere that a couple of seasons ago he was the fittest player in the squad?
Anyone know if he is doing his coaching badges?


4.) 19 Apr 2023 09:37:19
According to various newspaper articles, Milly is indeed taking his coaching badges. The Independent reported in Jan 23 that he was also taking some coaching sessions with the younger age groups at Melwood.

And I do believe he STILL wins the beep test in pre-season training (as recently as this pre-season just gone) .

So yeah, pretty fit.


5.) 19 Apr 2023 12:52:21
OP, Gallagher as a squad guy? Maybe. As a starter? NO way on this planet is Gallagher good enuff.


 

 

 

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18 Aug 2023 01:23:35
Stuie, more like x-crement.

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08 Jul 2023 15:29:13
It’ll definitely help with wages.

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07 Jun 2023 14:35:45
ED02~ if there’s an extra agent to be paid then surely he’s coming to LFC, knowing how much the club love paying those fees out!

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24 Aug 2021 22:13:48
Aqualani in the making…….

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20 Aug 2021 00:44:21
Juicer, believe it or not it’s the most played sport in the US by a long shot. We did coin the phrase “soccer mom”. I know it had the most registered players over any other sport for year after year. I think the biggest problem is that as kids get older and into high school (14/ 15 years of age) the sport isn’t as attractive for nailing down scholarships etc., sports in general here is a huge business within the under 18’s for both boys and girls. Sadly many of the parents think their kids will get a scholarship for college but in reality few do, and many of the scholarships aren’t even a drop in the bucket. My wife is going to Bard College in NY, she got a full scholarship, definitely not an athletic one. The tuition there is $75k per year…. that’s not a typo. So most kids go into baseball/ softball/ basketball/ football/ golf…golf is a big one too….

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06 Jun 2024 12:24:46
I can’t speak for how the football talking heads cover city on the UK side of the Atlantic but over here they barely mention it. It’s just how great they are blah blah. Unless the football media starts putting an * on commentary about the 115 charges it’ll have no impact.

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21 May 2024 00:39:15
So Eddy, I’ll take it a bit further. Some squad players help keep the dressing room humming as well. Whether it’s an older player, local lad, solid player or a natural leader the most successful teams are able to maintain that over prolonged periods of time.

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12 Nov 2023 04:27:55
That’s my biggest fear, Klopp leaving and Lindjers stepping in. It would be a complete loss of time and we’d find ourselves hoping to be in the top 6. Ed01 if you could get into Klopps ear and see Lindjers move on who would be the tactician you’d like to see come in and essentially take over from Juergen.

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04 Oct 2023 20:42:08
To be clear, as for reffing in another league. I’m not saying the can’t ref in champions league etc but more specifically as an example UAE and PL. completely different leagues that aren’t in similar competitions .

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02 Oct 2023 00:50:14
Rigsby if that’s the case then I’d say no, let the vice captain on the pitch do it.

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