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14 May 2018 19:17:09
When it rains it pours! Just read that Ox not only injured his acl but the medial ligament and hamstring too. So we may not see him on the field in 2018 again. Recovery is going to take time and effort. Really empathize for the guy. Was beginning to come onto his own, and carve his own place in the team. 😒 🤞.

ArAy1969

1.) 14 May 2018 20:08:53
Big shame for the lad, was coming into his own as well - hopefully he can make a full recovery.


2.) 14 May 2018 20:12:19
If that's true, everything else will be healed by the time his ACL has healed. It isn't like only 1 thing heals at a time.


3.) 14 May 2018 20:24:10
Don't count on seeing Ox until December 2018.


4.) 14 May 2018 20:53:15
He will be like a new signing for the second part of the season and all being well he will come back big and strong.

He has really impressed both on and off the pitch.

Got a feeling the Ox is going to pick up plenty of trophies with us in the next few seasons.

Let’s get number 6 to give him a boost.


5.) 14 May 2018 21:23:47
A bad blow and an area I get increasingly worried about. With Coutinho gone and Can likely to leave this summer we have a shortage in midfield, we have Keita arriving which eases some of the worry but now Chamberlain isn’t due back until December.

As it is we have.

Henderson (some injury issues) .
Milner.
Wijnaldum.
Can (leaving in summer) .
Chamberlain (out until December) .
Lallana (likely to leave) .

Keita

It seems Ceballos is highly likely which if happens gives us.

Henderson.
Milner.
Keita.
Wijnaldum.
Chamberlain.
Ceballos.

Plus Coutinho still needs replacing which hopefully mean Fekir or Pulisic arrives. Given Chamberlain is out until at least December and the possibility of any of the front three being injured or out of form, should we look to sign Ceballos, Pulisic and Fekir?

Would give us great depth and quality in midfield and attack.


6.) 14 May 2018 21:26:36
Chambo actually sourced 2 tickets for a father and son he met near the end of the season.

class act on and off the pitch!

hope he stays positive through his injury and can get through this!


7.) 14 May 2018 22:44:10
I kept thinking we got lucky with being him injury free compared to his arsenal days and now he's crocked. At least he's got the summer to recover and hopefully he can make it back before the busy christmas period.


8.) 14 May 2018 22:57:46
Hopefully he doesn't lose his pace and explosiveness. Really liked him this season, and offers a good option in the middle or wide. We Definetely need cover out wide, pace and the option to play as a forward or attacking midfielder too. Fekir ticks that box for me.


9.) 14 May 2018 22:42:25
Jonesred I understand your concerns and I’ve just been having a near identical conversation with a mate as he had the same worries. But I personally think that if we sign our targets (Cellabos and AM) along with Keita, then we will have sufficient players to cope with Ox’s injury.

If we use this seasons formation as an example and look at the squad hypothetically with those signings. Hendo, Keita and Fekir start with gigi, Milner and Cellabos in reserve is plenty, even if let’s say we lose hendo and Fekir to injury, we still would have a midfield of Cellabos, Keita and gig/ Milner, and then gives players like Trent and Woodburn the opportunity to play in midfield. Especially if we sign a rightback as the eds have mentioned.

I’d say signing another midfielder on top of all that could end up being more disruptive than productive.
Cheers.


10.) 15 May 2018 01:10:48
Don’t forget about TTA.


11.) 15 May 2018 05:57:23
Terrible shame. Ox had become an automatic starter in the midfield. An explosive player. He was outstanding against City in the CL.

This is clearly a very serious injury to his knee. It is entirely possible he will come back as good as before. Also entirely possible he will never be the same player.

At this point, the club has to plan for life without him. "Back in December2018", "nine months" etc are all just guesses.

So we very much need to bring in another midfielder now, in addition to Keita.


12.) 16 May 2018 15:27:32
No way Lallana leaves this summer - I expect him to make an impact when he gets subbed in in the 65th minute of the CL Final.

That being said, I only think we'll bring in 1 or 2 additional midfielders.

I personally get excited about the potential of a Milner, Keita, Ox midfield, and I don't think it's the end of the world if Lallana starts the season in Ox's spot

Bottom line, I'm not too worried about our midfield depth, even though it looks rough for the CL Final.


13.) 17 May 2018 15:58:50
He is only 24 yo. I remember Mane was injured and got back in 2 months.


 

 

 

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16 Apr 2019 22:08:48
Maybe it's me and the way I think, but Guardiola saying "Both Liverpool and ManC deserve to win the EPL title" is really surprising. To me it hints at a bit of weakness, some lack of self belief and no overwhelming self-confidence (which is the need of the hour if you absolutely want to win) . Being fair and polite is all nice and everything, but come on. It's the deciding point of the battle for the season. I don't know of any other coach who would declare another team deserved the title while the chase was still on.

ArAy1969

1.) 16 Apr 2019 23:49:22
I wouldn’t read into comments too much to be honest, especially as English isn’t even his first language, what he’s saying is true as well.


2.) 17 Apr 2019 00:08:09
What and if he said Liverpool don’t deserve it, that wouldn’t rile us up? If anything he’s raising the pressure.


3.) 17 Apr 2019 02:00:14
My golden rule - always disregard what players and managers say to the cameras 👍.


4.) 17 Apr 2019 06:15:57
Both he and Klopp are saying the same thing - two fantastic sides and both would have won the league hands down in years gone by so both would be worthy winners.

It’s true, and don’t think it’s an admission of weakness, it’s just trying to take pressure off the players. If they can stop players from thinking coming second is a disaster and complete failure, it’s more likely they will play their natural game and not tighten up in the run-in.


5.) 17 Apr 2019 06:29:07
I agree with that golden rule. Plus who knows what stupid question he was answering. Football reporters ask the most insipid questions to get the answers they want for their pre-planned story.


6.) 17 Apr 2019 09:19:22
Hes either being humble and respectful or playing mind games and putting pressure on us.


7.) 17 Apr 2019 10:52:07
Yeah, mind games imo. Tbh I'm not fussed at what he has to say, he's 2nd in the league and will be at the end, that'll do me, anything else is irrelevant.

Roll on us lifting that trophy. There can be only one as highlander would say and its Liverpool, mind games won't work with this team, we're about to witness something special, let's enjoy it :) .


8.) 17 Apr 2019 12:53:57
Pep ain't a bad bloke imo, look how they ran away with it last season, i think they had already won it at this stage. They strengthened in the summer but we have been toe to toe with them all this year. He gave us praise. And it was praise that is deserved. I don't see an issue. Klopp also said "whoever wins it deserves it.


 

 

07 Feb 2019 11:15:13
Question for Ed001, if I may. I was just thinking about the season thus far and which players have made a positive contribution and which ones have not. Can I ask you to give us your assessment so far (even though we are only 2/ 3 of the way through)? But do it in the same fashion that you do the individual player ratings for games, in terms of who has been a plus for the season so far, and who has taken away from the season. (For example a rating above 5 for Salah and VVD, but below 5 for Keita for the season - my opinion)

I'll understand if you feel it is premature and prefer to do it at the end of the season. 👍.

ArAy1969

{Ed001's Note - I will try and get that done. If I can do it now for you I will, if I get sidetracked it may end up taking a while though.}


1.) 07 Feb 2019 11:41:41
Good enough Ed001, and many thanks, in advance. 👍.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}


2.) 07 Feb 2019 12:45:31
I have a theory: VVD is a massive influence on the team and now with Alisson I think (at melwood) they are making our team a more defensive outfit. Thus giving way to our former free flowing attacking football. I don't remember the last time we scored 5 in a game, last season we did it regularly. Rarely scored less that 3.we were scoring 7 goals a game.

We are missing gini massively and also trent who has the pace and skill to get on the end of virgil's Cross field balls that have been so effective this season.

Mane, the one player who can bamboozle defences and beat 3 players in a split second and his goals are keeping us in the title race.

Klopp said he had his free flowing Liverpool back when we scored 4 and 3 in 2 back to back games so I don't think it's klopp who is asking them to play defensively as priority. I think it's the influence of our WC player: Van dijke.

Imo we need to go hammer and tong again and rely on vvd to keep out less than we score and becker of course.

Still think we will win it but its going to be tighter than it looked 3 weeks ago.


3.) 07 Feb 2019 13:05:52
Just to add: I think vvd is enjoying being laballed "the best defender in the world right now" and I also think that Alisson is enjoying keeping the most clean sheets and having the best defence in the league.

But going forward we are not progressing, we are regressing. The evolution of the team that was so exciting last season seems to have changed direction completely this season. The games are still exciting because we are in a genuine title race but they are not as exciting as the latter half of last season based on our actual football.

Okay, the new "way" is working but we signed vvd in January, still played gung ho football and won games. If we had signed him in the summer I think we would have been in a genuine title race last year too.

My point is: I still think we can win the league and even champions league by playing that free flowing, attacking football of last season. With vvd, robbo and Alisson making sure we don't concede more than we score.

These 1 nil leads are not doing my heart any good either. I liked having the 6 goal cushion!

The best thing about our team is not vvd and Alisson, although they are tremendous. It is mane, Firmino and salah. These are the weapons that will win us the league imo.


4.) 07 Feb 2019 13:13:16
I'm not slating big V BTW. He's my third favourite player. But our balance is too defensive atm.


5.) 07 Feb 2019 13:11:40
Also, while we have RB issues and are playing CM's there, I think it should be the same guy each game. My choice would be Henderson. He adds height and strength. Intelligence and he can turn on his heels. Not to mention he was trained as an RM/ RW. Same could be said for milner but I think his guille is more important in midfield whereas fabhino can do the job hendo does.


6.) 07 Feb 2019 14:03:46
For those who disagree, why would you say our strikers are nowhere near as potent as last season?


7.) 07 Feb 2019 14:04:30
I'm pretty sure klopp is not telling the boys to go out and get a 1 0 win.


8.) 07 Feb 2019 14:35:04
New attacking scheme's are never as potent the second season as the first. Teams have figured out how to defend it a little better, even though our attack has still been good. We are also missing Ox, he was able to drive forward through midfield and draw out the defenders, or hit a banger from 25 yards. Was hoping Keita would fill that void, but he's still finding his feet.

It's also silly to compare this year to last year, last year everything Salah touched was a goal. Last year the 3 shots he cut inside on his left foot in the box against west ham would've been goals versus saves.


9.) 07 Feb 2019 16:04:25
I think that's a very poor assessment Robbie bro. I'm not sure how you can blame our lack of creativity up top on a centre back. Personally, I think it's due to playing Salah up top and Firmino in midfield. Firmino is at his best when playing the false 9 with freedom to get about and link up with Salah and Mané coming from the wide positions. Also, we have been very poor in midfield lately, Keita has had to come in even though he hasn't quite adapted to the PL yet, and Milner has had to play right back whereas he should be in the midfield.


10.) 07 Feb 2019 16:45:09
I honestly think it’s the tempo more than anything mate. We are pressing less up front, which used to force teams into a mistake allowing us to counter with pace. We are now looking for both fullbacks to provide the width, allowing our forwards to be more narrow. To support the Attack of the fullbacks we now have two holding midfielders who cover the wingback slots. These two midfielders no longer press as much as they did last year, thereby implying we don’t have a gegen press. Oppositions have more time to be get into formation because our attacks are starting from deeper, leading to fewer goals. However, without the gegenpress our own defence is more structured, and we concede fewer as well (and also because we have more talent in defence than last year) .
I don’t think this has anything to do with a conspiracy theory around VVD lol.


11.) 07 Feb 2019 16:46:05
It was a half arsed theory red rum and I think your most likely right. Bobby should be in the middle. He can handle being battered by cbs. And salah is way more effective on that right side. Goal against spurs last season for example.


12.) 07 Feb 2019 17:14:48
It just looks to me although we are trying to keep clean sheets over scoring goals. Last season we took more chances.

And finished 3rd, I know. But had vvd signed in the summer it would have been 2nd, maybe 1st.


13.) 07 Feb 2019 18:12:31
Robbie, just to jog your memory we scored 5 against Arsenal at the end of December. We also scored 4 against Palace 3 games later. We were the first team to score at the Etihad for about 2 months if I recall correctly, maybe longer.
A lot has been made of our last 2 games but the squad has been carrying a virus (which saps energy even when you are no longer ill) and we’ve had injuries to half the back line and midfield.
Let’s take a breath and give Klopp some credit for getting us this far and trust him to get things going again.


14.) 07 Feb 2019 18:14:18
Robbie, this is not the time to start second guessing stuff. The new system for the most part, has worked and has gotten us to where we are right now regardless of what the weak-minded will have you believe. You cannot say we are not progressing after going thru a blip where mind you, we are yet to lose and City had to play one more game than we did just to top on GD. You have to see things from big pic. stand point.

The way we were playing last season, was unsustainable and you will NOTHING playing that way so Klopp had to tweak it and it has worked. Players were on their knees and frankly, I am surprised as to how they were able to play that CL final with the physical damage the team was in due to this system we were playing. I mean, Klopp even explained why he changed it and you can find his interview online. This is not the time to start doing all that hindsight stuff as it has already been litigated and the results are there for all to see. We are in a dog fight with City for the PL and THIS system made that possible. A blip won't change ANY of that.

We are going through a blip and lack of confidence so to call into question the whole system that got us competing is myopic and self-serving, IMO. We just need to re-focus, work on our football and get back to the way we have been playing with confidence. That's all, IMO. Cheers, man.


15.) 08 Feb 2019 16:43:55
I just think we are more defensive team this term, which is dodgy as we are missing our best defenders.
Livsepool were far more attackinh last year and signing vvd made us more stronger last term.

Id like to see us go full out attacking again, with becket, van dijke, robbo and trent, not to mention fabhino conceding less than we score.

Worked last season as we made ucl final and went from 4th to 3rd. i don't like this defensive, measured approach. Its exciting coz we are in a title chase but the footballl is nowhere near as exciting as it was last year.


 

 

02 Feb 2019 15:35:46
Question for Ed001, if I may. I was just reading the list of 25 players we have submitted to the PL for the rest of the season. I'm not surprised by Woodburn's name being in there, but I saw Conner Randall's name in there too. So I thought, okay, Moreno is going to pay the price for going public with his grievances, so he won't play anymore. But his name is still in there. Then I thought it could be related to the "home-grown quota" because 8 are required but we easily have 10-11. So that's not it, either. Then I thought maybe we had learned the lesson of the current TAA/ Milner/ Gomez injuries and wanted sufficient cover. But then Adam Lewis's name is in there too. So that's having 4 left backs on the roster. What do you think the reason is, since I was under the impression that Randall was well on his way out?

ArAy1969

{Ed001's Note - you have lost me, he is a right back!}


1.) 02 Feb 2019 15:44:03
😂. So that's what it was. My bad. Open mouth, insert foot. Now it all makes sense. Thanks for clarifying, Ed001. 😵.

{Ed001's Note - that's ok mate. From the moment you said you thought it meant Moreno would be going I was confused and got more confused as I went. It is still a surprise though as he was not exactly impressive when he did get a chance but better safe than sorry.}


2.) 02 Feb 2019 15:54:45
Definite contender for post of the day ArAy 😄.


3.) 02 Feb 2019 22:26:34
Mate, classic case of over-thinking it haha :p.


4.) 02 Feb 2019 22:37:05
Can't let you have all the fun just yourself, Ron. 😂 . (But I admit that was pretty "special". Spent 30 minutes micro-analyzing a non existing problem 😖)


 

 

21 Jan 2019 15:22:34
Just two days ago I read on here about how Jason McAteer was so desperate to get his dream move to LFC, back in the day. And now, today he is quoted as having said that Zaha could easily take over from Hazard at Chelsea!

My question is what does our nice enough "resident genius" have for breakfast every morning? And did he have the same when he was playing for us? I never played football professionally (or even beyond high school for that matter) but do these guys in front of TV cameras even pay attention or think about what they are saying? 😵.

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04 Jan 2019 13:25:54
My thoughts on the game:

That was probably the most competitive game of football I have seen in the Epl in the last 4-5 years. Constant back and forth, constant probing and attacking. Was one h*ll of a game. Amazing and excellent to watch.

Fernandinho makes all the difference in that team. He had bookable tackles, but he is still the steel and clean up guy who allows the two Silvas do what they do. If our Fabinho develops up to that level, then we'd move up a notch, too.

For me, Klopp had the right formation and midfield setup to start off the game. They're reigning champions and one of Europe's best, so be smart and play on the side of caution on their home ground. Clearly, they had more to lose than we did, and we saw that in their determination. But I have said it before and will repeat it again. Our optimal spine is Alisson-VVD-Fabinho-Firmino. These 4 should be starting every game. Respect for what Henderson, Milner and Wijnaldum have done thus far for the team, but Fabinho starts ahead of them.

I'm of two minds about the Kompany tackle on Salah. I watched it 4-5 times on replay. Kompany caught Salah with the studs on the toes (even thought it was clearly painful) . It was a one footed stab with the studs. So the question is do you punish what actually happened or what could have happened? Do you start looking at unaccomplished intent? Klopp says Salah's season would have been over if he had not jumped over the tackle. He's very right, of course. But Salah jumped over and escaped most of the force of the tackle. What do you give the guy who makes a two footed tackle with both studs up high in the air, but completely misses both the player and the ball? A yelllow, a red or a loud laugh?

I think ManC won because they wanted it more and our luck for the night went missing. Bernardo Silva was running around like a frenzied zombie all night long, and I didn't see much of our "anger" to win (in a positive way, according to Klopp) . If Mane's shot goes in after hitting the post, if Sane's shot goes out after hitting the post and if their three goal line clearances don't happen then, we're looking at a different result.

Key for the rest of the season is to see if Klopp can instill that positive "anger' to win again, into the team. (And I hope Gomez comes back asap into the team, because the right side of our defense showed weaknesses the other teams will now go after) .

ArAy1969

1.) 04 Jan 2019 15:02:54
Brilliant post, ArAy1969, I agree with many parts of your post. On the Kompany tackle, watch it from behind. When he loses the ball, look at his expression. It looked like, "OMG, I have done a dodoo" and the desperation in his expression, shone through the desperation of his tackle.

The first thing to look at in the tackle is did he try to get the ball? No as his two feet left the ground. Did he get the ball? No as Salah touched it against Kompany while on the ground. Did he catch Salah in mid air? Yes and had he not, Salah was in on goal or had a chance to do it. This IMO, is why it is a red. It is interpreted as "endangering the safety of a defenceless player". Salah is defenceless when he is up in the air and cannot get out of the way of the tackle. Mind you, he already jumped up to avoid the challenge so should we now ask him to go all Matrix on us and contort himself a second time? Just my take BUT your post ios once again, spot on. Up Da Pool!


2.) 04 Jan 2019 15:35:25
Thanks RedWolf. Your point about the Kompany tackle is well taken. I'm just happy that in life, I don't have a job like what the refs have to do every time they are out there. Split second decisions, of which many have far reaching repercussions. It's a thankless job where some people will always disagree with you no matter how good or bad you are.

{Ed0333's Note - I feel that most refs in that type of frenzied big game situation will err on the side of caution and not send a player off and spoil a game when they have to make a monumental decision like that. Personally I feel it was borderline and probably not a red.


3.) 04 Jan 2019 17:00:27
I agree ed0333


4.) 04 Jan 2019 17:42:58
I always thought if you left the ground you were deemed to be out of control and if your studs are up it’s a red. I remember Kuyt grtting sent off against Utd I think a few years ago. 2 footed tackle, left the ground and missed the player. Still got a red.


5.) 04 Jan 2019 17:47:33
I think the true evidence comes from Kompany himself where he said after the game "I didn't try to injure him. It was that or let him go through on goal. " He knew what he was doing. It was a red. BUT it's history now.
Roll on Brighton! (I have no interest in the FA Cup this year)

{Ed0333's Note - i love the warrior-like attitude of Kompany, he’s a titan even in the winter of his career. If that was VVD making that tackle we’d have been revering and lauding him for centuries. He could of got sent off he didn’t let’s move on.


6.) 04 Jan 2019 17:50:45
ArAy1969, I was just about to post having just watched the whole match for the first time and you have said virtually everything I would have said - I agree 100% with your analysis. One or two additional points from me. On the weakness on the right side of our defense, I would go a bit further and say that Lovren was our defensive weak link last night. I love the guy for his whole-hearted attitude and he often performs better in big games but I don’t think he was at his best last night. He was caught dozing by Aguero for City’s first goal and was a little deep, playing Sterling on side, for City’s second goal. I actually thought Trent was excellent, keeping Sane quiet for most of the game and passing and crossing the ball well. For City’s second goal, I thought he had no option but to go with Aguero’s run into the penalty area and we were caught 1 short in defence with Sane having space to finish brilliantly. Of course, we will never know if Joe Gomez would have made a difference but I would like to think he would. Finally, our goal was the culmination of the best, most sustained piece of attacking play in the entire game. Great stuff. Both teams were actually better without the ball than with it, with little of the flowing football that both teams are renowned for and I thought a draw would have been the correct result overall.
We are still in the PL driving seat with 5 winnable games coming up. Come on you mighty Reds!


7.) 04 Jan 2019 19:20:40
WW, I disagree with the whole blaming of Lovs for the first goal cos people fail to consider one salient point. I have watched that goal again and if you really want to know what happened, watch the build up. There was a cross in the box where VVD challenged Aguero in the air, won the header and Aguero screamed for a pen. We push up while the clearance gets back to Sane who runs to the byline. Lovren and the whole defence push up and Aguero is slowly walking back onside and here is where Aguero comes alive in the box.

Aguero anticipates where Sane would play the ball and before Lovs (who like everyone else, still thinks Aguero is offside) could blink, Aguero steps in front of him, controls, shoots through a mouse-hole and scores. Only Aguero could have done that cos he is that brilliant. Could Lovs and the defence have done better BUT be honest, did you think Aguero could have scored from there, thru a mouse-hole with a man-mountain like Allison in front of him? Pls, check the goal again and let me know what you or anyone thinks?


8.) 04 Jan 2019 19:35:41
Agreed WW. In fact, Ed025 had mentioned before the game that he expected a 2-2 draw and that scoreline would probably have been the most fair reflection of the game. But, hey, it's football. We move on, and on May 12th we hopefully add another trophy.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester Citry were far better.}


9.) 04 Jan 2019 20:10:39
RedWolf, good post and good challenge. I can’t argue with anything you say other than if Lovren had been a bit more alert he might have stopped Aguero from getting his shot away - but it was a world class finish and if it had been a Liverpool goal I would be applauding the scorer rather than castigating the defender.

While I’m posting . Ed02, I don’t agree that City were far better, it was a very close game with City claiming a marginal victory. It could have gone the other way but congratulations to City on making it go their way.

{Ed002's Note - That is because you had the old rose tinted specs on.}


10.) 04 Jan 2019 22:37:18
WW, I disagree that City were far better as well. Saying they were far better is a stretch cos they had only one shot on target (the Aguero goal) and the second shot on target did not come until the Sane goal. Did I also mention that the great David Silva was a non factor in the whole game?

Also, Pep said himself that City got lucky in some situations and you're going to need some of it to win such a tight game. Just stating facts here. No red tinted glasses.


11.) 04 Jan 2019 23:42:56
Good post ArAy.


 

 

 

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11 Apr 2019 00:40:43
Saw him play for Brazil in the last game, and he was really very good; a game changer the moment he came on. Equally good today, versus Juventus. Right-footed, but can play on both wings, just like Mane.

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31 Mar 2019 14:57:49
There was also talk of him coaching one of the Indian teams. He flew over, had the meetings and media interviews, and then didn't do it.

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30 Mar 2019 22:52:40
Matip undoubtedly had a good run of games. But he hasn't taken Lovren's place, in my mind. Lovren is a key player for our defense, even if he is not going to be in the first 11 week in, week out. Fitness levels permitting, he is interchangeable with Gomez, with very little fall off in quality. And fitness levels permitting, he allows, Gomez to be interchangeable with Alexander-Arnold at RB. Sure, Matip gives you the same, but i believe there is a noticeable drop off in quality.

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22 Mar 2019 11:34:56
Exactly. People are jumping at very transparent bait, so easily! 😄.

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15 Mar 2019 13:19:42
I don't get why "rumours" (no matter how outlandish or improbable they may sound) get so savagely put down or attacked on this page now. Wasn't this site built on rumours?

People seem to be far more tolerant of differing opinions on lineups, tactics and strategies and everything else, that all of us seem to have. Doesn't make sense to me. 😵.

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23 Apr 2019 15:50:12
Thanks Ed001. It's odd Joey Barton is not on the list. I'm sure he must have been involved somewhere, along the line. The one thing I wish I could have seen was Cesc Fabregas throwing a pizza at Alex Ferguson. Read about it but never been able to find a video of it. 😂.

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23 Apr 2019 10:00:11
The best athletes (in all sports) have that giant ego that keeps them motivated and pushes them forward. Keeps them going season after season, year after year. You can't get anywhere if you don't have that self-belief. So if it shows up in the form of selfishness, nobody should be surprised. You can debate if it's good or not, but all I know is that things are so competitive out there that you need every little inch of advantage to make it, and stay in the top level. It may be the Chelsea period that motivates him, but I think it's more sweeping all the awards last year and just generally being untouchable whenever he wanted to score. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw himself as the second coming of Ian Rush after beating his record (misguided in my opinion - one stellar season a legend does not make) . And when you are mentioned in the same breath as Messi and Ronaldo, then it's normal to want the same salary, perks and everything else that comes with it. Of course he wants that Golden Boot again, and of course he wanted to take that penalty.

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23 Apr 2019 09:39:09
I recall reading something about a one year extension already existing in his contract, should it be exercised, on here. I could be wrong.

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22 Apr 2019 22:34:43
I think when he goes forward with the ball, it gives us a numerical advantage because our mids can then look for open spaces further upfield. My perception is that it's usually 50/ 50; half the time he gives it away and half the time he finds a mid or a forward in the last third. As long as we don't suffer because of the space he leaves open behind (VVD usually should be covering), I don't think it's a bad thing. I don't recall taking in a goal because of his forward runs. He does come up with a gem of a pass from time to time; it certainly adds some variety to our attack. And if Klopp has not put an end to it, then I am assuming it has his blessing.

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22 Apr 2019 15:36:42
OGS was given the contract on the basis of that run of games, where he was truly surprising everyone, and pulling in wins against most expectations. One "bad day at the office" (the excuse we use when our guys slip up) against Everton, shouldn't be the criteria to declare him a failure. It's been clear for quite a while that it's the players that should be looked at. Mourinho hit a brick wall with them, and it seems OGS may have hit the same wall too. And if he is using Fergie then I would say I would too, because that's the perfect buffer from criticism, until I get the team playing the way I want it to.

Don't get me wrong. I hope ManU get relegated and stay there for a decade. But let's not be as equally "knee-jerk" in our reactions, as we accuse so many others of being.

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