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14 May 2018 19:17:09
When it rains it pours! Just read that Ox not only injured his acl but the medial ligament and hamstring too. So we may not see him on the field in 2018 again. Recovery is going to take time and effort. Really empathize for the guy. Was beginning to come onto his own, and carve his own place in the team. 😒 🤞.

ArAy1969

1.) 14 May 2018 20:08:53
Big shame for the lad, was coming into his own as well - hopefully he can make a full recovery.


2.) 14 May 2018 20:12:19
If that's true, everything else will be healed by the time his ACL has healed. It isn't like only 1 thing heals at a time.


3.) 14 May 2018 20:24:10
Don't count on seeing Ox until December 2018.


4.) 14 May 2018 20:53:15
He will be like a new signing for the second part of the season and all being well he will come back big and strong.

He has really impressed both on and off the pitch.

Got a feeling the Ox is going to pick up plenty of trophies with us in the next few seasons.

Let’s get number 6 to give him a boost.


5.) 14 May 2018 21:23:47
A bad blow and an area I get increasingly worried about. With Coutinho gone and Can likely to leave this summer we have a shortage in midfield, we have Keita arriving which eases some of the worry but now Chamberlain isn’t due back until December.

As it is we have.

Henderson (some injury issues) .
Milner.
Wijnaldum.
Can (leaving in summer) .
Chamberlain (out until December) .
Lallana (likely to leave) .

Keita

It seems Ceballos is highly likely which if happens gives us.

Henderson.
Milner.
Keita.
Wijnaldum.
Chamberlain.
Ceballos.

Plus Coutinho still needs replacing which hopefully mean Fekir or Pulisic arrives. Given Chamberlain is out until at least December and the possibility of any of the front three being injured or out of form, should we look to sign Ceballos, Pulisic and Fekir?

Would give us great depth and quality in midfield and attack.


6.) 14 May 2018 21:26:36
Chambo actually sourced 2 tickets for a father and son he met near the end of the season.

class act on and off the pitch!

hope he stays positive through his injury and can get through this!


7.) 14 May 2018 22:44:10
I kept thinking we got lucky with being him injury free compared to his arsenal days and now he's crocked. At least he's got the summer to recover and hopefully he can make it back before the busy christmas period.


8.) 14 May 2018 22:57:46
Hopefully he doesn't lose his pace and explosiveness. Really liked him this season, and offers a good option in the middle or wide. We Definetely need cover out wide, pace and the option to play as a forward or attacking midfielder too. Fekir ticks that box for me.


9.) 14 May 2018 22:42:25
Jonesred I understand your concerns and I’ve just been having a near identical conversation with a mate as he had the same worries. But I personally think that if we sign our targets (Cellabos and AM) along with Keita, then we will have sufficient players to cope with Ox’s injury.

If we use this seasons formation as an example and look at the squad hypothetically with those signings. Hendo, Keita and Fekir start with gigi, Milner and Cellabos in reserve is plenty, even if let’s say we lose hendo and Fekir to injury, we still would have a midfield of Cellabos, Keita and gig/ Milner, and then gives players like Trent and Woodburn the opportunity to play in midfield. Especially if we sign a rightback as the eds have mentioned.

I’d say signing another midfielder on top of all that could end up being more disruptive than productive.
Cheers.


10.) 15 May 2018 01:10:48
Don’t forget about TTA.


11.) 15 May 2018 05:57:23
Terrible shame. Ox had become an automatic starter in the midfield. An explosive player. He was outstanding against City in the CL.

This is clearly a very serious injury to his knee. It is entirely possible he will come back as good as before. Also entirely possible he will never be the same player.

At this point, the club has to plan for life without him. "Back in December2018", "nine months" etc are all just guesses.

So we very much need to bring in another midfielder now, in addition to Keita.


12.) 16 May 2018 15:27:32
No way Lallana leaves this summer - I expect him to make an impact when he gets subbed in in the 65th minute of the CL Final.

That being said, I only think we'll bring in 1 or 2 additional midfielders.

I personally get excited about the potential of a Milner, Keita, Ox midfield, and I don't think it's the end of the world if Lallana starts the season in Ox's spot

Bottom line, I'm not too worried about our midfield depth, even though it looks rough for the CL Final.


13.) 17 May 2018 15:58:50
He is only 24 yo. I remember Mane was injured and got back in 2 months.


 

 

 

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09 Aug 2018 16:44:51
I've just read about Klopp's treatment of Can before he left and I must say it has to be applauded. Klopp has declared that he knew for months that Can was leaving (as did almost everyone else) . And he didn't like the fact that LFC would not be able to make some money by signing him to a new contract and selling him after that (as was done with Suarez and Coutinho) . But in his professionalism, he continued to pick him whenever Can was able to play on the field (UCL Final included) . We've all seen how other managers freeze players out during contract disputes (Aldeweireld comes to mind recently) and how they're banished to the U23's or whatever. Klopp's even handed conduct in this situation has to be recognized and applauded.

ArAy1969

1.) 09 Aug 2018 17:34:18
I certainly get what you’re saying, but in a champions league final picking anything but your best available players is counter-productive.

I always liked Can and he seemed to keep putting the effort in too!


2.) 09 Aug 2018 18:10:23
The thing is Can was professional all the time.
He didn’t refuse to train he didn’t coast through games.
He behaved like a pro and Klopp treated him like a pro.

Too many footballers refuse to train, turn up late, “miss a flight”, carry on knock, blame their wife as an excuse to get a move. They deserve to be isolated and sidelined.


3.) 09 Aug 2018 19:50:43
Absolutely right Ron. And then even after leaving, neither Can nor Klopp have had one negative word to say about each other. Another positive. Simply because very often both players and/ or managers decide to get bitter and show it, once the player is gone.


 

 

05 Aug 2018 19:18:24
I know it's only one game but the the most impressive thing about Alisson, for me, is the complete lack of hesitation and complete confidence he has in himself. It showed throughout the game in everything he tried. Long kicks, passes to the FBs and CBs, coming out of his box, and saves on free kicks. There was no stuttering, or second looks before releasing the ball or aimless long kicks landing up with the opposition; something we constantly saw with both Mignolet and Karius. He really does look like a player who can play both GK and in the outfield with his crisp, sharp passing.

I have no idea if he is worth the money paid for him. It's the kind of question that is answered after and never before. Once he goes through a string of 10 or 15 clean sheets and makes a couple of miraculous saves in the CL final, I'm sure the question will come up and so will the answers. 😉.

ArAy1969

1.) 05 Aug 2018 20:40:52
The only question mark for me is sometimes he seems quite weak wristed when he makes some saves low down, it was evident in his YouTube videos - I know bad source but If that’s a pick of the best.
His distribution looked immense and as you said, the best always have that air of self assurance which you need, swagger you could say. His reflexes look razor sharp too. Karius had decent distribution, was brave and made some good saves, but Alisson offers that with better distribution, and a more intimidating figure, better concentration and I’ve heard better organising.
I am dead excited for this season with him.


2.) 05 Aug 2018 21:55:05
He is still getting better.

His distribution is world class. Everything else is an improvement on what we have. Perfect for us.


3.) 05 Aug 2018 22:02:08
I never thought Karius was as bad as many have made him out to be. Karius's main weakness was his lack of mental toughness and concentration, and that unfortunately for him, is vital in a GK. We saw Klopp yank him off for a few months after he let in 4 goals and then he got involved in silly bantering on social media. And then in the Champions League Final we saw that the occassion was simply too big for him. I hope he decides to stay as a No.2 and work out the deficiencies in his game. You can't find a better keeper for what we paid for him (5.6Mil + fees and commissions and whatever) .


4.) 05 Aug 2018 23:41:35
I agree about karius, but being a similar age to Alisson he will never be our number one if Alisson performs as hoped. That may be okay for some older keepers, but he hasn’t had much of a career yet, I think he can make a good one for himself, albeit elsewhere.


 

 

17 Jul 2018 18:03:45
I was just wondering. If both Alisson and Fekir (or alternative) are brought in, and with Keita and Fabinho already purchased thus far this summer, won't our spending go above the 200Mil, and closer to the 250Mil mark? Not to mention the 75Mil just spent on VVD barely 6 months ago?

Nobody wondering if one of our front 3 will be sold to bring some balance to our books?

ArAy1969

1.) 17 Jul 2018 18:10:46
I think the new TV deal and our run to the Champions League final will offset a lot of the costs in the long run, but I have no idea what financial year all the different payments will fall in and how it works out regarding FFP. Transfers are rarely paid in a lump sum and I don't know if winnings and TV revenue is paid as a lump either.

Best not to worry too much about money. Salah and Firmino have already signed new contracts so they don't be going anywhere.


2.) 17 Jul 2018 18:18:47
Klopp has spent about £70M net in 6 windows so far, we'll be alright.


3.) 17 Jul 2018 18:29:31
I'm actually not worried about money per se MK. More worried about losing players because of money. All I know is that the VVD purchase was made in one lump sum, and winnings and TV revenue from both EPL and UEFA for this past season will come much later in the year (if I correctly recall from one of ED002's replies a long time ago) . In fact Ed002 has said several times that debt and/ or borrowing was creeping up again, so it's something that the bean counters at the club will definitely be looking at.


4.) 17 Jul 2018 18:35:34
Money is like Ravenholme. We don’t go there! Hey.


5.) 17 Jul 2018 18:40:26
We will get get to a stage where we don't need to do as much though surely? Most of the big signing have years left in them and if they settle will only need to buy big to replace an outgoer. We were crying out for a new CB and a GK, we bought matip, lovren, klavan, and none except lovren have held a place - yes we spent more on vvd but he should hold that position for at least his contract, same if we signed alisson.


6.) 17 Jul 2018 18:47:37
Frankly mrshankley wins quote of the day. QUOTE OF THE DAY!


7.) 17 Jul 2018 19:16:08
FSG know the value of Liverpool will increase with success i. e. trophies. So they are investing in a manager that has proven to them that he knows what he's doing.

Success brings increased fan numbers and therefore revenue through various means. Brand value is huge at big companies including top football clubs.

They won't worry about debt creeping up at this stage as they are speculating to accumulate. They are rich for a reason and have the best finance advisors around them. They will adapt based on how successful we are.


8.) 17 Jul 2018 19:36:57
When it comes to money, people had better check what Ed02 has said about LFC spending money they do not have yet as in, spending future earnings as well as the amount of debt that that is creeping up on the club. No one really knows what is going on with the money situation is so all we have is speculation.


9.) 17 Jul 2018 19:50:23
I think people are forgetting that even if Fekir and Allison were to be signed, there will be outgoings from the squad which will bring the net spend for this window down. People need to relax, they moan when the club shows what they percieve as no ambition and then when the club "potentially"has the best transfer window in a generation people still find a way to be pessimistic. These people are billionaires who have proven in the past they don't want to put the club at risk financially. they know what they are doing.


10.) 17 Jul 2018 20:24:24
To expand on FMS’s view, money is like the tight brown.

Always, but always, stick with the easy pink unless you want lots and lots of grief, a telling off and frustration

😀.


11.) 17 Jul 2018 21:41:48
Zed that's so wrong it's right!


12.) 18 Jul 2018 05:49:45
Not 1 mention of the fact we sold Coutinho?
Plus we won’t have paid (or be paying) any in full (bar VVD) anyway and since FFP is over a 3 year period we'll be perfectly fine. Unless we go mad again next summer xD.


 

 

14 Jul 2018 21:40:08
My question to Ed001 and everyone (for debate) is whether you think Mo Salah will reach a similar goal tally with us this coming season? Do you think he can do a repeat or even go above it? (I'm referring to goals in the EPL only) .

My guess is that he may reach 22-25 goals but probably not beyond. The reasons being a) EPL teams are smart and many will find ways to counter effectively what they've been seeing from us all season long with the front 3, so Klopp may have to tinker with the tacics a bit, b) if an efficient No.10 is brought in (whether it's Fekir or Brandt or another) I expect the offensive play to be more "spread around" therefore having this player take up some of the goals, and c) I expect both Keita and Fabinho to chip in with more goals (they've both shown this ability) than we have gotten from our previous midfield (Henderson, Ox, Wijnaldum and Can), so spreading around the goal tally even more.

You could argue that he could score the same 32 goals or even more, with the newcomers making a very good contribution in goals too, if you look at ManC's tally of 106 goals for the season and ours of 84. But I don't think it will happen. What do you think?

ArAy1969

{Ed001's Note - pretty much the same as you, I think he will get a very good goal tally but just a bit short of last season.}


1.) 14 Jul 2018 22:17:16
Personally I think he'll score more, with the likes of Keita and Fabinho, maybe Fekir and Hendo behind him it's a huge upgrade on last season, it's hard to imagine but I think he can do it. Either way I'll be happy if he scores 25 goals but I think he'll blitz his own record. I also see Mane and Firmino scoring more as well though, our midfield has improved dramatically already and will just help out the front three even more but again, either way I'll be happy. We're going for that title next season!

Good to see you Aray! maybe I've missed some of your posts but not seen you around for a bit mate!


2.) 14 Jul 2018 22:19:22
I think he can still get 30 goals this season, he's a class act and is always going to be dangerous and with the players he has around him he will find the space.


3.) 14 Jul 2018 22:25:24
Same here. He is a winger, if he gets 15 he has done well.

I think he is a magic player and every thing he hit last season went in. I thought he was lucky until that city game where he scored from 40 yards. That was difficult to do. I realised that night what a player we had.

Wouldn't be surprised if the player of the year reached an even better rally than last year although I reckon about 20/ 25.


4.) 14 Jul 2018 22:45:33
Thanks Mo! Oh I've been around, but focused on the World Cup. Watched every single game. And I now make a conscious effort not to get involved too often on the "friendly" debates on here. I hope you don't take it too personally about my goal tally projections 😉. Hope you beat Rush's record with us one day.


5.) 14 Jul 2018 22:55:18
He didn't convert anywhere near 50% of his clear cut chances.

Hopefully this season he will learn from his mistakes and convert more of the chances that fall his way.


6.) 14 Jul 2018 22:55:39
Once Salah get's double figures then I'm happy.


7.) 14 Jul 2018 23:04:17
Don't worry about it ra mate, I'll prove how I can do it two season's on a trot ;) lol enjoy the final tomorrow mate.


8.) 14 Jul 2018 23:07:03
Problem is some players just have this thing, where you can't trully stop them. Robben, coutinho, Ronaldo, kane etc. You know what they want to do but they do it anyway.

The problem most teams will face and we will benefit from is the stronger we get and the more weapons we have then marking Salah might seem like a good idea but then we have mane, firmino, fekir and keita to smack 1 in the net and all you need is 1 that first goal to unlock any team.

He will Be fine and I think very very very angry about the curtail to last season and he will be gunning for success but particularly champions league success, stleast for a face off with Ramos.

Oh and now that breaking the records etc have gone I think he will be a lot more free in his decision making.


9.) 14 Jul 2018 23:27:58
I think he will score less but we will see more goals from midfield.


10.) 14 Jul 2018 23:11:56
I think we lost goals from the midfield when couts left, I think between hendo Milner gini can and Ox we can't have had more than 15 probably fewer. Obviously the front three were magical but if Keita fekir maybe and shaqiri can supplement what coutinho gave us and whatever Salah and maybe 10 for Salah - then if he gets extra that's a bonus. Personally think mane will get more this season than last.


11.) 15 Jul 2018 00:21:40
I can't believe we are finally in agreement Klopps boss lol good post mate.


12.) 15 Jul 2018 00:53:45
I think he'll score probably a little less but not much.

When you consider how many chances he had and missed at the start of the season there are clearly a lot more goals in him, if he had had his end of season confidence at the start he would've scored 5 or 6 more at least.

However, I also think that he will play a slightly different role this season. With Fekir likely I think he will play more advanced than any of the midfielders from last year and as such Mane and Salah are likely to have to play more as orthodox wingers and play a bit deeper than before.

As such Salah will likely not get the same number of chances he did last year. But I still expect him to score 25-30 as he has a habit of getting into scoring positions, and you don't lose that over a summer.


13.) 14 Jul 2018 21:57:52
Okay Ed001, thanks 🙏.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}


14.) 14 Jul 2018 22:11:56
Ed01, do you think other premier teams will have a better go at City this season. So many seemed resigned to lose last season and made little to no effort against them. I think we will score more points this season but to be closer we need other teams to try against City.

{Ed001's Note - I would hope so, they must have seen how City struggled when teams attacked them and drawn the sensible conclusion.}


15.) 15 Jul 2018 01:45:07
He will be marked tightly next season which will give our other 2 forwards and our midfield more space, but I still expect him to score in the high 20s. He was an absoult bargain and he was only our third choice thank God the other 2 weren't available.


16.) 15 Jul 2018 03:40:42
I think last season he had a desire and determination to prove people wrong. It spurred him on and the more goals he got, the more he wanted. Then all the goalscoring records came into view and he had something more to try for, to the point where he became almost too selfish. This season he might have a little less drive in terms of personal achievements since he's already won all the personal awards on offer. However, since its been so long since we've won something as a team, I hope his determination to right that particular wrong will see him score at least 20 in the league.


17.) 15 Jul 2018 07:52:16
I think Mo will have a slightly more central role this season than how he started last season. Depending on how our new midfielders adapt to the PL it could even be more goals.


18.) 15 Jul 2018 09:48:54
If Salah scores 30 goals in all comps next season, we should be lucky as heck. It will be up to the midfielders and other forwards to carry the load. We need to up our goals tally from everyone other than the front 3 or 4. That should be the target.


 

 

12 Jul 2018 15:16:23
During the first week of the World Cup I had posted about how the Ex-Yugoslavia teams (Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia) could possibly be the best team in the World (if they were still undivided) and how they could win the Cup. To my surprise looks like Croatia could possibly do it on its own. 😉.

ArAy1969

1.) 12 Jul 2018 15:32:23
I think France will beat Croatia fairly comfortably.


2.) 12 Jul 2018 16:15:45
You could say the same for GB if they had a united team.

Imagine having Bale and Davies/ Robbo in there. Ramsey could've been useful too.


3.) 12 Jul 2018 16:16:49
Aren't you clever your wasted mate.


4.) 12 Jul 2018 16:26:06
France will beat Croatia.


5.) 12 Jul 2018 17:10:57
OP, You are very corrct. There is a reason why when Yugoslavia played in the WC in 1978 (I think in their first one), they were in the same group with Brazil. After the tournament, they were so good that they were dubbed "The Brazilians of Europe".

{Ed002's Note - Whatever happened to the Macedonian Messi, Ivan Nastevski?}


6.) 12 Jul 2018 17:51:01
He didn't do too well Ed.

{Ed002's Note - I had forgotten all about him}


7.) 12 Jul 2018 18:24:28
Never heard of him, ed02.


8.) 12 Jul 2018 19:29:38
Yugoslavia were always good. Won the world cup I believe or the euroes, maybe both.


9.) 12 Jul 2018 22:19:02
Prince Hendo Yugoslavia did not win the World Cup or the Euro’s 🤦🏼‍♂️.


 

 

 

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19 Aug 2018 20:30:56
Thanks for clarifying Ed001 👍.

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19 Aug 2018 15:06:05
Exactly, EpicPotato. I'm aware. I was just trying to see if the flying part to Germany today, could be true, and that could possibly happen only if an extension has been signed.

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19 Aug 2018 13:43:19
It's all over the digital media and I hope it's true. The last item I read said he was already on his way to Germany. I wonder if anybody can confirm he has definitely signed his contract extension?

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19 Aug 2018 13:40:57
With Ings gone, with rumours of Solanke being looked at for a loan up North, and with Sturridge's uncertain fitness/ injuries long term outlook, it seems to me that Origi will be kept for the season. Or maybe he'll go out on loan and Solanke will be kept. I will add that I feel a loan would do Solanke more good than it would do Origi. He's had a few and not really gotten anywhere.

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08 Aug 2018 16:31:52
We bought him at around 10mil plus the fees we got for loaning him back for one year. Anything above that should be acceptable, given that he never really made it to the first team.

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21 Aug 2018 16:23:26
Everything needs to be seen within context. Lallana was an important player for Southampton for that particular team, as he was for our team during Klopp's first year. My recollection of him for that season is made up mostly of pressing effectively but blunting most attacks with countless Cruyff turns and dilly-dallying with the ball (hardly what you want from your AM is it? ) . That season you would read the words "headless chicken" almost daily over here (in regards to either him or Milner or both) . I don't doubt his effort, nor his work rate, but the team has evolved and moved on. I have nothing agianst him, and I am sure he is a thorough professional, but I don't see the place he has in this particular team, in LFC's current context.

As far as the OX is concerned, I think LFC fans have to be given more credit than that. He turned many doubters into believers and he is genuinely well liked (my opinion based on what i read on these pages) . And if he continues giving his all after he comes back, then i don't see why he will be forgotten. Look at how well Danny Ings was treated by LFC fans. The man did not even start 10 first team games in his 3 years with us, but everyone had nothing but sympathy and gratitude for his efforts. I see no reason the Ox will be treated differently. And Ox is different from Lallana simply because he fits in within the current context, while I believe Lallana does not. If you can't see how Ox's direct style of play fits in so much better than Lallana's indecisive doodling with the ball, not much I can say.

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21 Aug 2018 11:04:05
Our thoughts for a complete and speedy recovery are with him. I hope the vile cowards are caught and get their due. So many of us miss him already.

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20 Aug 2018 15:11:14
I think it's a toss up still, because he is still very new to this stage of the game. We all know consistency is the most difficult thing to get when you're early in your career. He could have a horrible game against Zaha, like last time, or rise to the occasion and snuff him out, like he did Sane, in the ECL. All depends on his mental approach and confidence. We'll find out tonight.

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20 Aug 2018 14:57:05
I think there's quite a few who wouldn't mind pulling your ying yang on your stuff, Kloppsboss. But we'll wait until Salah is back since he does it so well. Great post, by the way. 👍.

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20 Aug 2018 12:21:14
Oh Man! Sorry to read this, and really hope you get well very soon and being better than before, Mo.

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