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05 Jan 2019 23:21:53
hi Ed002, if you are about, do you see Lallana moving on in this window as well? its no secret that he wants to move and he hasn't had much game time this past 1.5 years.

Likewise for Markovic, Ejaria, and Pedro who all seemed surplus to requirements and are unlikely to even be on the bench.

Or would the summer be a more likely time for these 4 players to move on.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Lallana saying he wants to move - his lack of game time is down to injury. As such moving this window would be vey unlikely I would think. Markovic should be released from his contract. Liverpool has no use for Ejaria either and will look to loan him out again initially I would think.}


1.) 06 Jan 2019 07:43:27
Thanks for the response. Much appreciated.


 

 

01 Jan 2019 00:19:33
it's 2019! and the transfer window has opened! not expecting much to happen but i perceive some things may need to be done pending on outgoings. Nonetheless, here are some thoughts (for the next 2 windows) . Please feel free to share your thoughts!

Goalkeepers
Probable outs: Mignolet, Bogdan, Karius (on loan)
Preference: Would hope that we can secure a solid no.2 that can feature in the cup games and deputise ably when needed. but are there keepers of decent quality that is willing and available to do that?

Centrebacks
Not expecting much to change and am happy to keep things as it is.

Rightback
Probable outs: Clyne, Randall
Preference: In my dream world, Wan-Bissaka. If we can secure him, TAA, Gomez, Fab can cover and I think we'll be quite strong in this area. The down side is TAA would have lesser game time as i think Wan-Bissaka is the better fullback and he'll (TAA) have to wait for his chance in middle of the park.

Leftback
Probable outs: Moreno
Preference: Some names that have been thrown around include Laxalt, Tierney, Chilwell. Personally don't know any good LBs but if we are spending, would prefer someone that can challenge Robertson for a starting spot, otherwise the youth prospects can be given a chance? Would really hope to see Roberston given a rest when possible as he really looks knackered in the last game.

Midfield
Probable outs: Lallana, Milner (if Leeds gets promoted and it appears ever more likely), Pedro, Ejaria, Grujic
Preference: For TAA to be in contention to feature in this position. Rabiot's name has been thrown around and while he's quality, he seems to have fair bit of baggage with him? Would think we need at least one addition in the summer. Not too sure if Allan could return, get a permit and is deemed as suitable for the team (he hasn't featured much this season while on loan though)?

Forwards
Probable outs: Sturridge, Origi, Ings (complete transfer), Ojo
Preference: Will Kent and Wilson have a shot next year? I hope at least Wilson will get a chance. Would hope to add one or two players who can play in any position in the front 3 as cover but who is able, available and willing?

Summary of anticipated key deals:
1) LB
2) RB
3) CM
4) GK
5) Forward.


1.) 01 Jan 2019 01:10:08
I see Moreno staying until the end of the season will be interesting though to see if anyone tries to snap him up on a free in January, I expect he will play against Wolves in the FA Cup. I doubt we will have many banging on our door for Mignolet come January or in the summer so I expect him to be backup for next year. I am not sure about Milner moving on, even back to Leeds if they get promoted, I suspect him to be another one to still be here next season unless Klopp wants otherwise. I suspect maybe 2 or 3 new signings next summer at most. As for January maybe one.


2.) 01 Jan 2019 02:52:58
I think that’s a pretty good summary, but none are urgent and most are about leavers and backups, so likely to wait for the summer. As Ed02 mentioned (and I agree here) there’s really no need to disrupt the dressing room much in Jan unless something special comes along we can’t ignore.

Of all the positions in the summer, I think a backup GK, a backup LB and a backup striker are most crucial (assuming Migs, Moreno and Sturridge leave) and need to see senior players coming in as we don’t have obvious subs in any of those positions. After that, i think we can probably cover fine with Ox coming back into Midfield and Fabinho able to play RB, so I would like us to just give the kids a chance to step up in place of Lallana, Clyne etc. as they’re only likely to get game time in an injury crisis. eg we can give opportunities to Wilson, Herbie Kane, Brewster, Camacho, Adam Lewis.


3.) 01 Jan 2019 09:22:49
I’d say this window most likely to leave for me would be Clyne and/ or Origi. But would say we will probably sell

Moreno, Lallana, Sturridge, and maybe Milner in summer.

In terms of youngsters I think Kent, Ejaria, Ojo, Randall and possibly Solanke will all leave this summer.


4.) 01 Jan 2019 09:36:17
Excellent summary mate I'm definetly with you on Wan-Bissaka what a singing he would be. I agree Trent's game time would go down but I believe Klopp would rotate them well and start giving Trent chances in midfield in cup games etc and there would be no need to play Gomez at RB again let him focus solely on improving as a CB. I think its more realistic this happens next year though when a midfielder likely leaves (probably Wijnaldum) and Trent will be guaranteed more game time and Wan-Bissaka is more experienced.

GK I would ideally say Butland as he's English and would be decent back up but honestly don't mind who we get.

On CB reluctantly I would say leave it as is at the moment even though I am not Lovren and Matips biggest fans and 3/ 4 injury prone centre backs is not great its worked so far. Ed002 has mentioned we are looking at young CBs that's probably the ideal signing in that position to cover and an eye on the future as well.

At LB I think Adam Lewis has to be promoted I don't see the point in spending money on a replacement at all unless we don't sign a RB then we'd go for a more experienced LB and send Lewis on loan.

For Midfield if Lallana and Milner leave like everyone expects than I think Fabinho/ Henderson/ Keita/ Wijnaldum/ Ox are great options for the 3 spots. What I'm trying to predict is whether Bobby will start playing more permenantly behind the striker, where Fekir would've played if he signed, in that case I wouldn't sign another midfielder but get a lethal striker. If Bobby is moved back up front then I would get someone in like Fekir. What is confusing me is that I think Ed001 stated Shaqiri was a Fekir alternantive so I'm not sure if we sign a 10 or a striker but the big money will be spent on of those I believe.

The forward area I think we need to put faith in Brewster now have him as the backup ST on the bench once Sturridge, Origi, Ings and probably Solanke leave. We will either have Bobby or a new signing as first choice No.9 and probably Salah as second choice then Brewster to begin with. I'd expext Ojo and Kent to leave permenantly or on loan and Wilson/ Woodburn on another loan with good game time.

I think this a very good potential squad next season.

GK
Alisson, BUTLAND, Grabara

RB
TAA, WAN-BISSAKA

CB
Virgil, Gomez, Lovren, Matip, YOUNG CB

LB
Robertson, Lewis

CDM/ CM/ CAM
Fabinho, Henderson, Keita, Wijnaldum, NEW 10, Ox

RW/ LW
Salah, Mane, Shaqiri, Camacho

ST
Bobby, Brewster, Duncan

What does everyone think about this squad and whether we go for a new number 10 or a striker? I really think that's the big singing we will make.


5.) 01 Jan 2019 09:36:31
For the Goalkeeping situation I'd look at Burnley at either Pope (less likely due to his break out season last year) or Heaton the older of the two 31 I think. But he has premier-league experience and he maybe even 3rd choice at Burnley. Either of the two and I'd be happy. Mignolet may get a hard time from the fans but he is a better goalkeeper than some give him credit for and he will go to a decent team when he leaves. I personally thought at Sunderland he had a better season than Pickford when both were signed.


6.) 01 Jan 2019 11:14:32
In. Wan bissaka, de ligt, rabiot and fekir.

Out . Mig, Matip, Moreno, clyne, Milner (let him go on a free if Leeds come up), lallana, sturridge, solanke.

I've no worries anymore about our club.

We are now 4? Transfer windows into klopp and every single one has been pretty much on point.

Don't think klopp will ever sign more than 4 players.

The club don't seem to be cutting corners either on there top targets.

I think letting de ligt and wan bissaka go anywhere else when we are at the top of our game would be I'll advised.

De ligt and vvd for starters and then we ligt and Gomez. for what 12 years?

Wan bissaka is going to be the best rb in the league. Trent can take over Milner in the middle.

Fekir is a beast and rabiot is a great cm.

Always strengthen when you are the top.


7.) 01 Jan 2019 13:17:28
Outs

Migs, Moreno, Clyne, Milner, Lallana, Sturridge.

Ins

Butland, Bissaka, Coutinho.

Promote Lewis, H. Wilson and Brewster.


8.) 01 Jan 2019 13:25:32
There is talk of lloyd kelly left back from Bristol city, could b another Gomez lower division quality.


9.) 01 Jan 2019 14:01:07
Kelly looks like a left sided Gomez. Tall strong fast and a good tackler. Would Ward even come back do you think any of the Ed's? Surely being on the bench back at Liverpool is better than being on the bench at Leicester. I know he left because of the talk of Kasper leaving but that never came off. Or would you expect him to push for a move away from the King Power in search of a regular spot somewhere else?

{Ed001's Note - he is hoping to get regular first team football somewhere.}


10.) 01 Jan 2019 14:30:43
I know we probably have never considered him at any point. But a player I feel would fit well up too would be Jamie Vardey. Even though he’s pushing on in age his pace is still very good along with his finishing. He could play anywhere along the top and offer great cover for the front 3. Surely at his age he may not cost too much and would be far better off the bench than Solanke, Origi, Sturridge.
But I feel cover for full backs is our priority especially left back. Moreno can’t defend and the fact that Milner would often be the second choice left back says it all. We have plenty of cover at centre back and in the middle of the park. But let’s trust Klopp many of his signings have been underwhelming, yet turned out to be very good and very popular. Robertson, Ox, Shaqiri, Wijnaldum.


11.) 01 Jan 2019 18:12:55
I agree Ibiza red he would be brilliant for us, he has that pesky nuisance style that would be boss in our pressing style.


12.) 01 Jan 2019 21:17:35
My argument is that many people want us to buy players that could be £50 million plus and I don’t see that happening. Not that I see us going for Vardey or Leicester selling him to us but I think he would be relatively cheap, may be happier to sit on the bench than many players people want us to sign, he’s english, and I genuinely think he’s a good player and would work in our system.
I think our midfield is fine until the summer, and our defence unless we ship out Moreno then we could do with cover for Robertson.
But in general I don’t feel we need to do anything to this squad until the summer.


13.) 01 Jan 2019 23:58:48
Agree with some of the comments. I actually anticipate about 10 - 15 players leaving this summer (Migs, Clyne, Moreno, Lallana, Markovic, Kent, Ojo, Randall, Solanke, Sturridge, Pedro, etc. ) and am hoping some of the promising youngsters can fill these spots.

I'm unsure if Butland would want to come and sit on the bench at 25, thought Heaton seems possible but am unsure if we have any interest. I will be surprised if Nick Pope doesn't replace Joe Hart if they are still in the PL next year. He is way better than JH.

With the kind of football we play, I actually think we need 7 - 8 CMs to last the distance. Last season we had 6 senior CMs and towards the end, we were short on bodies and fitness.

While I'm all for youth, I think its quite a big risk to rely on Brewster and Duncan only as back-ups for striker / centre forward.

As Ed001 regularly laments, if the window is open for 3/ 4 of the seasons, I would have no issue letting the youngsters have a few months to try out. But if they bottle their chance or is shown to be not ready and we have to go 5-6 months with them, that's a very scary thought for any manager.

Keep the comments coming. Be glad to hear from various ones, even if our opinions differ.


14.) 02 Jan 2019 09:59:50
Personally think we don't need to mess around with squad harmony that much.

Gk
Get rid of mings leave Karius out on loan (recall option impcase of emergency) and let the young lads progress.

Full back.
Keep Clynn and start positional training for left back having him in the squad and rotating will be brilliant.

CB
If no on leaves then we don't need to look we have 4 good CB's that most teams would be happy with.

Midfielder.
No change unless there is a creative player out there available.

Wingers.
Look at Jaden Sancho not sure Dortmund will let him go cheap though.

Forward.
If Sturridge and origi are off we should look at Bellotti strong lad has a good instinct for goal decent in the air personally feel he will be a brilliant signing.

We need to be realistic we all want Mbeppe and players of that caliber but do we need loads of big egos all coming in no.


15.) 02 Jan 2019 21:05:06
Ideally a better senior back up keeper, a 2nd LB to challenge Robbie, and a forward who can play up top or out wide, so we can rotate the front 3 with no loss of quality.


16.) 03 Jan 2019 02:21:32
Migs Will leave so we should get a back up keeper I suppose getting Butland will be viable and we were interested in him last summer.
If Clynes and Milner leave we could get Wan Bissaka and start playing A. Arnold more in Middlefield.
If Moreno leaves we can promote A. Lewis as back up for Robertson.
It seems Lallana is leaving so we need a player who can play forward and Middlefield so who can be better than Coutinho who is available.
H. Wilson deserve a chance to be part of the next season.
If Sturridge leaves we still have Origi, Solanke and Brewster but at least one should leave on loan.

Then the team will be like this (4-2-3-1):

Alisson/ Butland
Bissaka/ A. Arnold
Robertson/ A. Lewis
VanDijk/ Matip
Lovren/ Gomez
Henderson/ Fabinho
Keita/ Wijnaldum
Mane/ H. Wilson
Firmino/ Shaqiri
Coutinho/ Chamberlain
Salah/ Origi/ Solanke/ Brewster.

{Ed0333's Note - lots of unreal variables there mate


 

 

 

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11 Feb 2019 01:53:51
wanted to hear from Eds and fellow posters about this.

I used to love Carra. Always gave his all, a fantastic defender and loved the club.

His interview when he said 'Who's bigger than Liverpool? ' was pure gold and his autobiography was an awesome read.

Used to think that he might make a great coach / manager if he decided to.

But as he went on Sky and stayed on longer and longer, I'm beginning to wonder if he has much footballing sense left in him. He once compared Barkley to Gerrard in footballing ability, joined in the fanfare to idolize the current City team (when he had actually played against truly great Utd and Arsenal teams), and the list goes on.

I'm not sure if being on TV has corrupted his sensibility (though Alan Hansen was on TV a long time and he still spoke sense until the day he retired), but i'm beginning to lose respect for him and his footballing opinions (not withstanding the spitting incident) .

{Ed0333's Note - for the most part sky pundits and in generally pundits in the modern era are fed what to say for obvious reasons.


1.) 11 Feb 2019 04:05:27
He would have specific topics that are relevant and would have a specific time set aside to talk about them as the great United and arsenal sides are in the past and have nothing to do with the now. I do know what you're getting at but. It's like they all just talk for talking sake until at some stage they make themselves sound stupid.


2.) 11 Feb 2019 04:29:51
Hes a vile human imo, stooped as low as diouf, and to a young girl? Some things are just unforgivable and he should have got the boot like grey and that other twit.


3.) 11 Feb 2019 10:15:51
Agreed lerchy. He's a div and gets zero respect from me, speaks sh*te on TV and then with the spitting incident there's no excuse, I remember at the time some people on here were saying we all make mistakes, trying to cover for him and its true we do but that kind of behaviour isn't acceptable no matter what.


4.) 11 Feb 2019 12:34:58
Pressure and stress can lead a person to do very odd things. I don’t think we can define Carragher by his moment of madness albeit he will be remembered for it.

Let’s not rush to condemn the man. Stress is a mental
Illness. We should be sympathetic.

It’s easy to follow the mantra that he is earning a fortune so he is up for abuse. None of can imagine how we would
Behave if we were constantly in the public eye.


5.) 11 Feb 2019 13:49:59
G1dgo what stress did he have when he spat at a child? I must of missed this, I honestly don't mean that as a dig I just fail to understand so I'm asking a genuine question because I'm unaware mate. Stress can indeed Lead to mental illness, trust me I know about that but what Carra did, what's his excuse, he was stressed? If that's the case I had no idea about it but from everything I read at the time it was just him been an absolute fool. From what you have said, maybe I'm wrong mate because if he has had issues then I'd understand it more but I don't believe it one bit, he was in the moment and wound up which resulted in him spitting at a child, if he'd of done it to one of my kids it'd of been a different story, there's no excuse.


6.) 11 Feb 2019 17:30:26
Salah, none of us know what causes stress (or any mental illness) in another person nor how it manifests itself. I remember when Stan Collymore was suffering from depression, his then manager at Aston Villa (John Gregory, I think) said ‘What has he got to be depressed about, he’s getting paid £10,000 a week’. Hopefully, attitudes are more enlightened these days so in Carra’s case let’s condemn the action by all means without totally condemning the man.
I am not seeking to minimise or excuse his actions but my understanding is that he was in a moving car and the driver of another moving car was winding him up with hand gestures about the score in a match (Man Utd v Liverpool, I think) . Carra retaliated by winding down his window and spitting at the other car (I know, disgusting and stupid thing to do) without realising that there was a young girl in the passenger seat of the other car. He was publicly ashamed and apologetic for his actions and it is up individuals to decide whether his contrition was genuine or not. As I say, condemn the vile spitting action without totally condemning Carra as a person without knowing what was going on in his head or his life.

{Ed025's Note - please dont play the mental illness card WW, it was a disgusting thing to do and as much as i used to like the guy hes dead to me, you might as well claim blindness seeing as you say he never seen the girl, of course he did but could not help gollying all over them anyway because hes a scumbag, what you are claiming is an insult to mentally challenged people actually mate..


7.) 11 Feb 2019 18:39:06
Ed025, I know you like having a go at me (was it something I posted about Gomes? ) but please read my post carefully again. I was making a general point about stress and mental illness, not trying to excuse Carra on the basis of a mental illness. What do I or you or anyone else know about the state of another person’s mental health? That was my point. And as neither you nor I nor anyone else was in the car with Carra we don’t know what he did or didn’t see. I was simply stating what I understand to have happened based on media reports at the time. We can all make up our own mind about what actually happened as you clearly have.
Not everything that happens in the world is black and white.
And Gomes is still slow and overweight.

{Ed025's Note - i dont have a go at you WW your one of the best posters on here, but that does come across as making excuses for him because hes an ex-red mate, would you be saying the same thing if it was gary neville who had committed that vile act? .....i dont think so..


8.) 11 Feb 2019 19:04:42
Spot on, Salah and Ed25. WW, you're the one speculating that Carra may have mental issues. He has not said that so you are leaving yourself open to a good rhetorical hiding, man. Also I'm sorry, was Carra stressed when Sky came to him to come be a pundit and take the money? If the answer is no then pls, that excuse should not be aired in public to defend such reprehensible behavior. I mean, Diouf got mad abuse for spitting all over PL grounds and Suarez got the abuse he deserved for biting YET Carra spits in the direction of a little girl and suddenly the goalposts change? Not having that, mate.

What Carra did was despicable, disgusting and reprehensible, end of. If he has mental issues then he needs to go get his head checked and not be allowed in any public space. I remember many esp. some on here, giving excuses as to what may or may not have been said to him. To those people, I say you are complicit in his reprehensible behavior. He's luck he did not spit at my son with me standing there. He would have been concussed on the spot.


9.) 11 Feb 2019 19:17:43
RedWolf, written with your usual passion but please take the time to read what I actually posted which was definitely not a defence of Carra’s actions which I described as disgusting, stupid and vile.


10.) 12 Feb 2019 02:54:36
Cracking display of double-standards there whereby causing someone concussion (and a possible lifetime of consequences) is an appropriate response to being spat at.
Cant we just accept there was no justification for what Carra did. None at all. Acts of violence and abuse are unacceptable outside a ring or octagon full stop.


11.) 12 Feb 2019 09:09:18
It’s amusing how we expect sporting ‘legends’ to be nice people too.
As a footballer he was a Liverpool legend and that won’t change. As a person, I’ve never met him but he disgraced himself with that incident.
On the flip side, everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves.

{Ed025's Note - the thing is ron that like it or not people like him are role models, what he did was inexcusable and absolutely abhorrent mate and as i was saying to WW would you feel the same if it was a non-liverpool player?, if someone beat up your grandmother would you think they deserved the chance to redeem themselves?, im afraid the world is rife with scumbags like this and for me they dont deserve a second chance, were you campaigning for andy gray and keys to get their jobs back, or ron atkinson or rodney marsh?, they made their bed and now they have to lie on it..


 

 

10 Feb 2019 07:14:05
what a response from the team and the fans! great result and performance.

on the match:
totally dominated the game and could have scored 6 or even 9. fantastic performance.

on defending set pieces:
think the coaching team has spotted the issue and now we have players closing them down if they take a short fk.

on offensive set pieces:
pity, most of our deliveries still can't beat the 1st man. but we did look dangerous when we rolled it our for the CMs to cross from deep.

On Robbo:
a much better display and back to the good ol Robbo we all loved.

On Gini's performance and goal:
he did fluff a couple of times when in good positions but his goal was pure gold and more of that will be great. he did up his game after the goal as well.

On Keita's performance:
it wasnt surprising at all as his trajectory has been on the up. shame though, the pundits, not wanting to look silly, downplayed his performance as they had only recently slammed him and wanted him to be dropped, so he couldn't possibly pull the rabbit out of the hat suddenly, right? i'm certain he'll get better and better and have an impact in our title race.

On Matip:
not the nicest to pick on players after such a good performance and result. but he still scares me with his defending. while he did launch an awesome long ball to Bobby, most of his other passes forward were abysmal at best.

On the front-three:
Awesome display, esp. in the 2nd half. Mane is really hitting top gear, not just offensively but defensively as well. looked how he raced across to prevent a corner. Firmino was due a big performance and he delivered. Salah was just being Salah and could have scored more.

On the fans:
great work pre-game and in-game. the atmosphere was absolutely brilliant and i've no doubt it impacted the players too. more of this till the end of the season, esp. during the squeaky bum time.

On to Utd in the PL next, v tough game given the form they are in, but if we want to win the league, we got to be the best. So let's go and inflict OGS 1st loss.


1.) 10 Feb 2019 07:40:00
Well said mate.


 

 

31 Jan 2019 23:01:16
hard one to take the draw with Leicester as we could have opened up a 7-point gap. nonetheless, i didn't think we did as poorly as some over here suggested.


On the match:
i thought it was a game of 2 halves for us. we were dominant and created quite a few chances in the first half and probably should have scored to put the game beyond doubt. Mane had a free header off target and the Maguire incident, Firmino had a shot saved, Shaqiri just missed the ball on 2 occasions otherwise he would have been through on goal.

it was a very poor goal to concede no doubt - a needless foul, not clearly the set piece, not holding the line well, etc.

i actually was expecting us to come out of the blocks, just like against Palace, in the 2nd half, but it wasnt too be and we looked labored. and i'm guessing we remembered the emotions of the 2nd half and said we played crap entirely, which isn't true.

On Hendo at RB:
i actually thought he did very well. was solid defensively and offered something going forward. not too sure why is he getting slated.

On the substitutions:
felt that aside from Fabinho, the other 2 had no impact on the game. Lallana is great to bring on if you are holding on to a lead, but to chase a game, he's very ineffective. while i understand throwing on Sturridge might get you a goal (see vs Chelsea earlier this season), but i thought not having Firmino made us even more predictable. Would have rather Firmino to stay on to try and create something and perhaps Origi on to square with against their big CBs.

On the ref:
I've nothing good to say. He missed a clear penalty and did not add on more time even though he just carded a Leicester player for time wasting. I'm sure the Leicester fans also have their grips about him. he was poor for both sides.

On the fans in the stadium:
easy for me to say as i sit miles away in front of a computer screen to watch tha game, but i thought the crowd grew impatient and nervous too quickly. it was only the 60th min and they were already groaning and moaning. credit to some section of the fans that actually took charge and started cheering the team on. just as the team is inexperienced in winning the league, i think we as fans too. on a day when we should have cheered the players on, we transmitted our nervous energy to them. i hope we do better to lift the team and not stifle the team.

On the title race:
it was never going to be easy, but we are 5 points clear. I'll take that all day long and trust that we'll bounce back from this.


1.) 01 Feb 2019 05:23:06
Shows just how high our performances and expectations have been this year that we need to bounce back from a draw :)


2.) 01 Feb 2019 05:32:41
Yeh, I thought hendo played well, all things considered. Same old bullplop mate. If his surname was Hernández he'd be copping praise for his versatility.


3.) 01 Feb 2019 06:04:17
I think it's a positive result. We extend our lead on city and city now look beatable, unlike last season.


4.) 01 Feb 2019 07:20:53
@Red7 or if he had been a darling of the media since his youth that praise will flow his way regardless of performances. come to think of it, i've heard players like Barkley, Tripper, Joe Hart getting more praise in one season than Hendo for this whole career put together, and that's insane as none of them are even close to his level.

@Robbinesline totally. Any team, and i really mean any team that tries have a chance at beating City. Meanwhile, we continue to pick up wins and draws even when we're not at our best. Sure, once or twice this season we'll pay for it (as we did against Leicester, City), but i rather be in our position than City's. Meanwhile, Tottenham remains inconsistent, beat anyone on their day, come back from the dead when they look down and out, but they'll go on to lose to teams you least expect on their off days. All things considered, i still believe we are the most consistent team and its our title to lose.


5.) 01 Feb 2019 10:18:19
Agreed sgynwa, spurs are f####ed without Harry kane. I'm not worried about them at all. I've just taken loris out of my fantasy football team and added kepa.

I have vvd salah and Firmino, so I can't pick alisson.

City are rocked. An absolutely brilliant team, but they don't like being 2nd. While we are steady and calm and totally formidable.

We need salah to pick up and we need Keita to step up. Play his game, beat two defenders and score, rather than turning and passing it back to gini. It's a confidence thing. He needs a run. He should start every game now. Take out shaq, who is a brilliant impact sub.

Gini Keita fabhino. That would be my three. Then we have milner, Henderson, lallana and shaqiri to rotate and use as tactical subs.


 

 

07 Jan 2019 02:51:15
Aloha everyone! Match day! can't wait for it. looking forward to a good game.

While we are at it, just wanted to hear from various ones, which was the most complete performance you've ever seen a Liverpool team (past and present) dish out? A that we were utterly dominant, faultless and played the opponent off the park because of how good we were.

{Ed001's Note - 5-0 v Nottingham Forest. Never saw it at the time, but I got a video one birthday of the game and we destroyed them.}


1.) 07 Jan 2019 07:10:59
Agree with Ed001. At the time Forest were 2nd in the league and FA cup semi finalists, so our biggest competition that season. Sir Tom Finney said it was the finest exhibition of football he had seen (Or something like that) . The shame of it was that the game wasn't televised so until the season review came out on video, the only people to witness it were the 40 odd thousand in Anfield.


2.) 07 Jan 2019 07:38:40
That entire season was unbelievable.
QPR home - Barnes, Coventry away when about 10,000 reds landed en masse and Barnes and Beardsley showed us what was in store, Newcastle away - Nicol hat trick, Arsenal home, Everton home. the list goes on.
Honestly everyone was singing about winning the league by November.
Our kid always talks about the Molby double v Utd, I missed the game, don’t know what the * I was doing lol.


3.) 07 Jan 2019 09:21:57
Beating Madrid 4-0 with Torres scoring first. Or maybe beating Porto last season.


4.) 07 Jan 2019 10:55:26
7-0 against Spurs in 1978 with Terry Mac's header. still my favourite Anfield goal. If you haven't seen it, get on you tube.


5.) 07 Jan 2019 10:55:42
Hi ed was that the video with all the goals from that season on it too? Got it meself as a kid, what a game that was, what a team.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, I used to get them every year. I remember the 9-0 win over Palace me ma had to send away for the video and I watched that game until the tape wore out.}


6.) 07 Jan 2019 11:59:55
Liverpool 9 Crystal Palace 0 1989. They used to use it as the video/ game for up and coming coaches to learn from at St Georges Park.

What a performance.


7.) 07 Jan 2019 12:02:58
the 5-0 over Forest and 7-0 over Spurs were all before my time though I've seen it on video now.

Really amazing performances. It wasnt that Forest was bad that they lost 5-0, they actually played a pretty good game. But they were totally battered by a superior team on that day.

The Terry Mac goal was crazy, the game was already done with by then, yet he charged up the field on a counter to put that in after the cross from Heighway. Have heard many a Spurs fan say the best thing they heard that day was the final whistle.


8.) 07 Jan 2019 12:12:20
4-0 against Real Madrid under Rafa or the 3-0 against Man City last season.


9.) 07 Jan 2019 14:28:12
MK. i remembered the 4-0 against RM. couldn't believe what I was seeing.

3-0 against City last season was amazing too. Genuinely believe that if Salah was on for the whole game, it might have been 5-0 by the end of the night.

On another note, i just watched our goal against City in the recent game (i rarely watch any highlights after a loss as it pains me too much) and my word, from back to front, wing to wing, we really made City look ordinary.


10.) 07 Jan 2019 14:41:10
Or, in recent times; the 7 0 win over Watford last season. I think it was 7 0, Wolves may have got one or two? But it was an amazing performance. Our new striker, Salah, blowing us away when some of us even doubted the signing.

I haven't seen us as in control of games as we have been this season. Not for a long, long time.

Also, smashing Porto 5 0 last season. Completely battered them. The fab four, and then the three musketeers.

I wouldn't mind it if pipco came back. I can imagine Barcelona being a collection of big egos, rather than a team of 20 players, all backing each other up. His family are scousers, I bet they want to come home. We used to just give him the ball but now I think we have a much much stronger team and he could easily fit in. We need a midfielder who can score, regularly. Milly gets the odd penalty and gini sometimes turns up at the edge of the box.

I'd love to see Keita getting a good run in the team. He has goals in him, no doubt.


11.) 07 Jan 2019 14:59:36
The palace game was going to be my shout.


12.) 07 Jan 2019 19:11:29
I still have the VHS for the 87-88 season Liverpool - The Mighty Reds.

{Ed025's Note - betamax was still available the last time you won the league bobby.. :)


 

 

05 Jan 2019 23:21:19
So it seems the dust has settled more. Personally, I really disliked the result but wasn't at all disappointed with the performance or tactics for most parts.

On the match:
It was an entertaining match that either side that could have gone on to win. A draw would probably have been a fair result, but it wasnt to be.

On team selection:
Klopp went for the tried and tested formation and players that worked well against city previously. While it seems we have rushed Milner back (he wasnt great but I didn't think he was awful either), Pep did the same for Silva which was hardly in the 2game. It seems so much was at stake that both managers turned to their trusted players.

While Fab did well when he came on, I think many people also forgot that he did looked edgy at the start of the Arsenal game. So we wouldn't have known how he would have been if he had started. I for one, in a 4-3-3, in a big game, would have gone for Hendo as well. Honestly, I think he had a decent game too.

Would a 4-2-3-1 have worked better? Maybe. But as Ed001 pointed out, the players were holding back, so regardless of formation, it might not have made such a big difference. Afterall, we conceded our 2nd goal in this formation which was supposed to give us greater protection while not compromising attacking impetus.

On luck:
Let's remind ourselves that we have had good luck in this season so far. Mahrez missed a late penalty at Anfield which would have surely seen the game end 1-0 in favor of City. We scored a 96min winner against Everton in the most unlikely of circumstances. Sturridge hit a wonder strike at Chelsea to make it 1-1 just as we looked to have ran out of ideas.

We were.


1.) 06 Jan 2019 07:15:58
Well said - tactically it was really close and could have been a draw but for the width of a post, however I would have loved to see Fabinho and Gini at the base of midfield in more of a 4-2-3-1, allowing Firmino to drop a little deeper and take Fernandinho out of the game a bit more. Maybe that could have ended with us losing 3-0 though, so who knows?

City played well and deserved their win, but we've had a good season (yes with lucky breaks, but so have all other sides) and for me that's largely on the back of our defence being so frugal. Our defence and front three hasn't changed on the back of one away loss to the best side the PL has seen in a long time, so let's go put together another unbeaten run and see whether City can cling to our coat tails!


2.) 06 Jan 2019 18:20:28
Brilliant post, Sgynwa. Best post about the game I have read all weekend. Maybe Milner should not have started that game cos he just came back from injury and the level of intensity in that game was not for a guy with no rhythm. Also, I fully agree with you that many were spouting off that Fab should have started. Maybe Klopp decided against it cos we saw how vulnerable he was when pressed at Arsenal and believe me, the Arsenal press was child's play compared to City unleashed upon us esp. in the first half which despite all of that. we handled pretty well, IMO. Would Fab have handled that the same way Hendo and Wiji did? We will never know.

I was against going all gong ho and starting Shaq as well cos it was not up to us to take he game to City cos had we done that and STILL lost, I bet you the same people howling now, would be howling still, saying why did we not try to contain them. I mean, there is a reason why a manager gets the big bucks and the rest of us sit at home and watch games so I don't deal with all that hindsight nonsense anymore.

As I have said before, any winner from that game deserved to win it due to the type of game it was. It was a barn-stormer of a game where you could literally both managers tactics working and how they were canceling each other out. Breathtaking stuff. One game at a time and we will see what happens. Up Da Pool!


 

 

 

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Thanks for the response. Much appreciated.


 

 

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01 Jan 2019 23:58:48
Agree with some of the comments. I actually anticipate about 10 - 15 players leaving this summer (Migs, Clyne, Moreno, Lallana, Markovic, Kent, Ojo, Randall, Solanke, Sturridge, Pedro, etc. ) and am hoping some of the promising youngsters can fill these spots.

I'm unsure if Butland would want to come and sit on the bench at 25, thought Heaton seems possible but am unsure if we have any interest. I will be surprised if Nick Pope doesn't replace Joe Hart if they are still in the PL next year. He is way better than JH.

With the kind of football we play, I actually think we need 7 - 8 CMs to last the distance. Last season we had 6 senior CMs and towards the end, we were short on bodies and fitness.

While I'm all for youth, I think its quite a big risk to rely on Brewster and Duncan only as back-ups for striker / centre forward.

As Ed001 regularly laments, if the window is open for 3/ 4 of the seasons, I would have no issue letting the youngsters have a few months to try out. But if they bottle their chance or is shown to be not ready and we have to go 5-6 months with them, that's a very scary thought for any manager.

Keep the comments coming. Be glad to hear from various ones, even if our opinions differ.


 

 

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31 Dec 2018 23:57:07
Lloyd Kelly is still very young, 20yo i believe. He is tall, a very good athlete though need to bulk up. Has good technical ability but needs to work on reading of the game and his defensive skills as he tends to use his physical attributes more at the moment. Currently he plays at LB though he is expected to play in CB in 4-5 years time (a bit like how Gomez has progressed you can say) .

Seemed to be highly rated in Bristol and at England U21 level.


 

 

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23 Dec 2018 11:16:37
Haa, i do mean chubby, esp Maguire. seems to just have put on a bit of weight though i can't tell ifs its muscles or fats.

but clubby works fine too in this context.

as for Coady, i asked the same qns as grino some time back. he does look decent, especially with his long passes that Wolves have put into good effect. but he does seem a little suspect defensively. he was culpable for Salah's opener. still, he was one we groomed and i do hope that he will have a good career and who knows, in his late 20s, might become a decent squad player for us?

{Ed001's Note - the opener was Boly at fault, as he was a number of times and Coady had to cover. He was also there to cover Bennett a couple of times. However he does need to be deep enough to spot the danger and come across, when he is up higher he just does not seem to read the game at all well. His passing is excellent though.}


 

 

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23 Dec 2018 05:13:39
isit just me or does Tarkowski and Maguire look a bit chubby? would have neither anyway was our current 4 CBs seem adequate enough.

{Ed001's Note - was that a typo and you meant clubby as in club-footed?}


 

 

 

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15 Mar 2019 11:50:27
great review as always.

while VVD is getting all kinds of rave reviews, i agree with you that he wasnt at his best defensively in this game - at bit too lax at times for me. which in part is comforting, because he is so confident even when facing such a massive opponent, at the same time worrying, because how can he be lax for such a big game?! but his passing and goal were colossal.

while Robertson's booking was silly, i hope that it helps to clear his head once and for all (though i'm not sure if the card is automatically voided when QF comes about anyway) . because the way he defended in these 2 matches made Gnabry look like Mane.

Mane, couldn't agree more than he was a 10. the 1st goal alone was amazing. the rest of his game, just a beauty to behold and even when Bayern double and triple teamed him, he still got away with a pass or dribble.

{Ed001's Note - it would have been voided after the match.}


 

 

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28 Feb 2019 12:59:57
so little faith in the defence Ed025?

but having seen some of the matches, i have no idea how they are defending. it was in a game in Dec/ Jan that they conceded 3 in a match through set-pieces. the way they were defending reminded me of Liverpool 2013/ 4 - midfielders not involved, defenders ball watching, goalkeeper can be beat as long as the shot is on target even with little pace, power, placement.

{Ed025's Note - we are not in a good place sg and have a big problem trying to implement zonal marking, our attack is a bit blunt as well with us not having a natural goal scorer so you should win easy on paper, but this is grass and this is a merseyside derby so i live in hope mate..


 

 

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18 Feb 2019 12:19:46
Cardiff - very distasteful.

Ramos - should have been the 50th or 100th red card he received in his career.

Top 10 players in Brazil's history - not only did this poll backfire on Neymar (if it was ever to glorify him) but it gave me hope that the people in Brazil do know who their premium players are. but i also suppose a significant number of the pollsters are older and have seen or at least heard about some of these legends.

On a slightly different note, so many great Brazilian teams filled with great players have won much more than Neymar has (and he's not some poor sod who happened to be born in an era where Brazil has a lack of quality) . So there really is not reason to name him as one of the greats. If he was truly as special as some claims (and Neymar himself probably believes), then go on and do a Maradona. Win something single handedly and perhaps a conversation about his greatness can be discussed.


 

 

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12 Feb 2019 19:13:21
how did we drop from considering Cryuff to settling for Comolli?


 

 

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11 Feb 2019 07:34:11
you are right Ed0333. Utd's defence isn't crap. just DDG alone makes it good. but i believe there are weaknesses in there that we can expose.