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04 Jul 2019 11:17:19
Ed a quick question if you have any info.

I remember laxalt being linked in the past but I'm sure you mentioned us giving up on any interest. With Milan now poised to sign Theo Hernandez would they possibly look to offer laxalt around at a decent price? Would it be a possibility we may look again at him if readily available or is it non runner?

{Ed002's Note - It is a good question. Laxalt would be happy to stay at Milan and it is Ricardo Rodriguez who was blocking his place in the first team for much of last season who is being offered around. However, with Marco Giampaolo as the new coach and Theo Hernandez joining it will still limit opportunities - although with serious financial issues they will be thinking about keeping him to cover the LB, LM and LW positions - which he is capable of doing. Interest remains from Atalanta and Newcastle enquired - seeing him as a left sided option to Kenedy. For me he would be ideal cover for LB, LM and LW at Liverpool but there has seemingly been no recent interest from the club although he is one of those players - like Valentino Lazaroon the right, who is comfortable in several positions.}


1.) 04 Jul 2019 12:16:41
Thanks for that answer, very insightful overview in fairness. It's his versatility indeed is what would have made him a sensible option too I think. Cheers.

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18 Jul 2019 13:15:38
I'm not one to ever take notice of managers talking transfers with the media as they are never going to give much info.

Klopps latest quote though he mentioned maybe 1 position to strengthen. All along we mention FB and attack as the 2 focuses. If only 1 addition would surely be a forward, maybe signal intentions that Lewis can be trusted as understudy along with Millie of course for LB.


1.) 18 Jul 2019 13:54:10
Maybe the targets wanted are not available this summer and it’s a waiting game until the right player is available rather than any player.


2.) 18 Jul 2019 14:16:43
I think you have to freshen up, even if it's one player. Ex players always say they preferred it when someone was brought in as it gave everyone a buzz.
I remember Chelsea winning the league a few years ago, they stood still that summer and haven't recovered. Our fans keep mentioning Spurs yet they lost 20 last season.
Real want to sell, Klopp likes Asensio, I don't know how much he's available for but I think that would be a good move?


3.) 18 Jul 2019 14:24:20
I don't rate asensio at all, vastly over hyped. What makes you think klopp likes him? I wouldn't see him as a klopp type personally.


4.) 18 Jul 2019 15:31:47
Har_red, absolutely agree with you. Asensio is vastly over rated, much like Alvaro Morata before him, Madrid want stupid money for him and they’re welcome to keep him on their bench. Let some other sucker part with £70m.


5.) 18 Jul 2019 16:04:08
IMO, Asensio has massively regressed and for me, is no longer the player he once was. Maybe CR& leaving had a knock-on effect on his progression. As for who we could bring in, we know we are interested in Max Cornet so that may be who Klopp is referring to as the one option. We shall see.


6.) 18 Jul 2019 20:52:00
He can certainly score worldys and I feel his reputation exploded on some of those goals alone. Goes missing for large periods, zidane did seem to use him regularly in his last spell alright but he's not my cup of tea.


 

 

04 Jul 2019 14:36:31
Just a little thought guys as I was thinking to this time last year what we were all hoping and expecting to happen. With fabinho and keita signed and we were counting down to fekir too we thought the excitement on here and with all fans was great. We all had the idea of fab, naby and fekir as our 3 man new midfield. Looking back now i think personally myself I was naive to think they can function well in the team. We had no OX for the year, hendo wasn't appreciated and we seemed content to get gini out the door. I think we were quite clueless in our ideas of building a strongest 11 in hindsight. Anyone disagree and still think those 3 would have worked together?


1.) 04 Jul 2019 15:46:52
I still believe that midfield 3 would be incredible. Fekir can play false 9 too.

Understand wed need an outgoing player to make space in the squad though so looking unlikely right now.


2.) 04 Jul 2019 15:49:43
I kinda agree Har mate. Although if Fekir did sign last year we would of been over stacked with centre midfield players dont you think? Given all those youve mentioned with Ox and Keta the main 2 to play instead of Fekir. Makes you wonder what we would do with all the midfielders if we do bring in another this window? Which is why I dont get the need and hope for another one to arrive, unless its more of a Winger/ Forward that arrives. Lots still pine for Fernandes or Fekir but truth if the matter is who do we leave out the squad to get them in?

{Ed002's Note - Fekir is not a CM player.}


3.) 04 Jul 2019 16:21:53
Klopp wanted 3 midfielders because he wasn't happy with what he had. Hendo can't play dm. Gini had a really poor season and we lacked midfield goals.

It was a no brainer really as was buying a new keeper and a cb.

{Ed001's Note - Klopp has always used a midfield 3. He used it at Mainz and Dortmund. He wanted 3 midfielders because it enables him to dominate midfield, you are completely and utterly talking bubbles.}


4.) 04 Jul 2019 16:28:40
I guess we learn lessons each year and try and improve.

The biggest improvement last summer was in GK and defensive midfield areas which allowed us to play a more controlled gameplay which tremendously improved our results.

The lessons from this season are that we are already really good! We just need a creative edge in the midfield - which should be addressed by Keita and Ox - and need effective rotation options up front. Sadly Shaqiri and Lallana just don't cut it! We also need a left footed LB backup option.


5.) 04 Jul 2019 16:45:34
Ok Ed I guess what your saying he could play in the N10 but not really suited to covering the rings is he? And Har was referring to a 3 in midfield of Fabinho Keta and him thats all so was just saying we are stacked in that area?

{Ed001's Note - Fekir has often played on the wings. Usually he plays as a forward.}


6.) 04 Jul 2019 17:02:05
True Ed002 about Fekir not being a CM but with our front three being first choice, Mane, Salah and Firmino would possibly have to see Fekir taking up a midfield place if we ever had to sign him like Shaqiri has had to do in midfield.

Think it is fair to say that Fekir will not arrive at Anfield unless we move on a 1st team player as Fekir not going to sign to play second or 3rd fiddle. He will also come at a very high fee and wages. No point in having someone like that on the bench.

It has been mentioned many times by the Eds that we opted for Shaqiri after the move for Fekir broke down last season.

So if we did not sign Shaqiri and opted for Fekir then that might have meant less playing time for the likes of Firmino.

I honestly do not see us moving for Fekir in this window.


7.) 04 Jul 2019 17:24:31
Fair point then Ed001, sorry mate I didnt realise he had or could play on the wings or as a forward player tbh. On the strength of that he would make a lot of sense, lets hope we go for him before he gos to Inter or somewhere else.


8.) 04 Jul 2019 17:42:12
Fekir broke through as a striker and has only transition to a deeper role in last couple of years, like dybala, griezzman type, can drop into deep zones and pockets but he's far from a midfielder. That's my point really he would never fit in 433 unless in false 9 or inside right possibly instead of salah. That 3 were talked about last summer as one of the possible best midfields about, we wouldn't have even made top 4 or past group stage in Europe with that as first choice I believe. I remember klopp tried shaq in the 3 and had to sub him at HT for Milner as we didn't control, I remember before spurs game we were all delighted to see a line-up of hendo with wijnaldum and keita ahead of him, they walked through us. 2 games with an unbalanced midfield, Porto away too we had no control first half until sub at the break. Away to Southampton Milner and Henderson had to come on and we didn't gain control until we did. Fekir would have offered nothing in terms of shape and control and every game keita played without fabinho and either Henderson or Milner we struggled badly. The huge dominant performances were all built on dominating midfield with aggression. Bayern away, Barcelona at home, Chelsea home, United home. Arsenal home. Every game had fabinho with 2 of hendo Milner gini. The loss to city, fabinho was dropped, 2 draws with west ham and Leicester keita played without fab and hendo or milner due to them either injured or playing defence. That spurs game we were outplayed, along with the 2 Southampton results. Loss away to napoli in Europe then lucky draws with Chelsea and city was before fabinho was bought into the fold. Everton United and Barcelona away we failed to score in each. Trent and firmino missed those 3 games which proves what I'm trying to say, when Trent was out, Gomez Milner and Henderson each had to play right back, with firmino out we even had to play gini up top as sturridge failed so miserably, Milner was used at LB when robbo missed out. For a period klopp never had his choice of midfield. Keita is not a tactical controller of play, he needs a Henderson or Milner experience alongside. And Milner hendo and wijnaldum play better with fabinho to complement. If we had full back or attacking options and played with our current midfield we would have picked up more wins. There's a pattern to our poor performances. Last 10 or 12 games, we only struggled in moments when either fabinho Trent or firmino didn't play. A forward and defence back up means a stronger midfield without even signing a midfielder.


9.) 04 Jul 2019 17:45:42
If he joined Id expect hed be used as cover for the forwards when were playing 4-3-3 (as Ed says, Klopp preferred setup against the better teams so we can control midfield), or occasionally he could be used as an attacking midfielder if playing more of a 4-2-3-1. Klopp has occasionally used four more attacking players against more stubborn defensive setups and when weve dominated the possession. In these sorts of situations there would be a clear advantage to having a Fekir type player over a Gini or a Milner playing as a 10 IMO.


10.) 04 Jul 2019 17:56:29
What are you talking about ed (Willis)

Fabinho came in to play the number 6 as Hendo was not playing well/ suited to that role. Keita came in because he wanted a player who can carry the play in midfield. Fekir was targeted to play AM.

Which part don't you agree with

Gini was terrible in 2017/ 2018 season
Hendo is not as his best in the number 6 role.
or at the time we needed Keita to carry the ball in midfield.

Of course he plays 3 in midfield but he wasn't happy at the time with their performances, hence why he let Can go and targeted 3 new players.


11.) 04 Jul 2019 18:07:34
I dont understand where youre coming from Har mate.

People seem to think a 433 is 3 Central Midfielders in the classic sense.

There are lots of variations of the shape of that middle 3, one of them being you have 2 classic central midfielders whilst the other is a CAM no 10.

That formation is where Fekir would come in.


12.) 04 Jul 2019 18:16:04
He aint going to come as a back up SG Red.


13.) 04 Jul 2019 18:16:56
Probably his best position is false 9 so he could interchange with front 3. Also the 4 could play together, there would need to be a sale though.


14.) 04 Jul 2019 18:23:14
Mark, do you know what a false 9 is? If that is the case as you have explained the Fekir would need to take up Firmino's place who is our false 9.


15.) 04 Jul 2019 18:37:38
Firmino won't play 55 games Max. Also as happened this season players were out of form at different times.

Fekir can play false 9 or AM, he would get enough game time IMO. But Shaq or Lallana would need to be sold.


16.) 04 Jul 2019 18:42:50
How will Fekir be a regular starter in Klopp's setup Mark?

Fekir can play up top but he will only sign if he is going to play regularly. I hope you understand that.

So with Firmino, Mane and Salah being regular starters, where is Klopp going to fit Fekir in to start regularly as you are smoking your socks if you think Fekir is goint to be a sub.


17.) 04 Jul 2019 18:43:24
Yeah shaq attack I'm not an idiot. That set up you describe is pretty much a 4231 not 433, the exact point I'm making, he would have fitted easier in that formation that we tried and failed to play well with. Would you think that formation would suit us? Fekir is not a midfield player.


18.) 04 Jul 2019 18:53:48
False 9s! Sweet baby Jesus! Cant we just have one of those players who is fast, skilful, good in the air and puts the ball in the net when another player passed to them. We used to call them strikers I think?


19.) 04 Jul 2019 19:16:30
Casey, should we sign Sharp from Sheffield UTD? It just ain't going to work. Not even Origi plays as a natural striker when he is selected.


20.) 04 Jul 2019 19:34:37
Har, youre being perdantic. 433 and 4321, whatever you want to call it are exactly the same thing, either way he plays no10 in that role, there really isnt any difference.


21.) 04 Jul 2019 19:36:16
Mark, based on your comments, you seem to have NO idea of what a false 9 is as that position does NOT exist. CF's come in different shapes, size, styles and forms. Some are old fashioned target men. Others can occupy the channels and make CB's chase and get dragged out of position. Others do both and press the back line while others can do all of that and drop into midfield and create. George Weah was one of the first to do that after Marco Van Basten retired even tho, Van Basten was not known to press that much.

Bobbie is the guy who does nearly ALL of the things I mentioned above. He is not part of the system we deploy by Klopp. He IS the system. Bobbie may not score as many goals as other CF's BUT that is NOT his fundamental job in Klopp's system. His job is to press the opposition and leave them no time to get on he ball and pick passes. He sets the tone for Salah and Mane to press and harry as well. They feed off his energy and his ability to occupy CB's and drag them out of position. There is a reason why there is near NO CF like him on earth.

As for you saying Fekir is a false 9. That is just operating from a position of ignorance. Fekir and Lacazette were strike partners when they both started at Lyon (taking over from Gomis and Lisandro Lopes) . NEVER A FALSE 9. In fact, Lacazette started on the right wing due to both of these players while Fekir came in later. Fekir then played with Lacazette up top and then dropped into the no. 10 role a couple of years ago when Lacazette left for Arsenal. Again, you seem to say a lot of stuff BUT vknow very little of what you are talking about. Sheesh!


22.) 04 Jul 2019 19:44:15
Hed score more Origi who scored 3 league goals last year by the way but is being fawned over like he was Marco Van Basten

We need Werner from Leipzig. and not as a back up either. Our front 3 are knackered after 2 hard league seasons, a World Cup, AFCON and Copa America. Were going to be up rubbish street if one of them goes down with injury. Praying and keeping your fingers crossed that Brewster is more like Michael Owen than Adam Morgan is asking for trouble.


23.) 04 Jul 2019 20:07:02
Red Wolf I said he can play as a false 9 which is true. The Firmino debate has been done to death. He was very average last season and we still won number 6, never turned up in a final etc etc. I disagree with most of what you normally say. STOP USING THE CAPITALS. Sheesh.


24.) 04 Jul 2019 20:33:12
Red Wolf I think some in here THRIVE ON CAUSING ARGUMENTS MATE for some reason, rather than adding something positive.

Ed001, seems were on the subject mate, do you have and reason to believe we might go back in for NF this Summer then?

{Ed001's Note - not really. The lad wants the move to us and Lyon want to sell him but I don't know of any fresh interest from our side.}


25.) 04 Jul 2019 21:43:14
Fair enough Ed, cheers mate.


26.) 04 Jul 2019 22:06:51
And the winner is. Har-red92. Under the category of "Consistent long essays worthy of a book".


27.) 05 Jul 2019 07:04:02
Replying to the original post.

Bringing in Fabhino, Naby and Fekir ( which didnt happen ) certainly wasnt to displace Hendo and Gini, why would anyone think that?

They were purchased in order to complement the existing team and give us more balance and protection for the back 4 from midfield.


28.) 05 Jul 2019 08:42:38
Do people really see Keita displacing anyone? some bright flashes, but otherwise not very impressive so far.


 

 

28 Jun 2019 03:18:58
Good business done with moving Camacho on. A 20% fee of any future transfer and also a buy back clause included, I'm not aware of details of that clause if anyone can enlighten me but seems like a good deal for a player in the last year of his contract.

Also apparently in the van den berg deal we only have to pay the 3mil add ons if he makes 350 league and European appearances for us which is a quite odd structure of payment.


1.) 28 Jun 2019 16:01:31
Har_red92 I have to disagree with you. We are yet again letting another promising youngster leave for very little and we as fans pine for multi million pound replacements. Its the pattern we are going down quite sad really and has been the trend. So good business as you put it I dont think.


2.) 04 Jul 2019 06:41:27
Well he was refusing to sign a contract so we had little choice, we got a good deal for a player who would otherwise run out his contract. Surely you know that?


 

 

27 Jun 2019 23:07:34
Eds do ye have any knowledge of plans for kamil grabara next season? I'm presuming another loan will be the plan, I've seen bundesliga being mentioned which would be a big step up if he was given the chance to play there regularly. With his summer duties now over are there any signs of where the interest lies?

{Ed001's Note - he is expected to go on loan.}


1.) 28 Jun 2019 01:21:49
With Alison looking like long term it's hard to see anything other than the club now looking to develop grabara into tasty profit, similar to Kent, Wilson, ward.


2.) 28 Jun 2019 01:32:00
I personally feel we should just give Grabara the number two role. I mean, from what I've seen, he is the real deal. Maybe the intent is to keep Mignolet one more year until Grabara is ready for the Prem?


3.) 28 Jun 2019 06:28:42
I can't see him wanting to sit on the bench every game, he's young with potential, he'll surely want to play and progress in his career, financially makes no sense for us either to have his development pretty much stop.


 

 

27 Jun 2019 11:14:26
Im very happy with the signing of van den berg. I haven't seen him play and considering he's only 17 his future could go either way.

The fact that he is pacy and good on the ball is nice to hear though and already with experience of first team games. For the price we've paid seems excellent investment and training with the likes of VVD daily will hopefully see him develop at a similar style to Gomez.


1.) 27 Jun 2019 12:02:27
Feel like everyones forgotten how well Hoever played in his cameo's.


2.) 27 Jun 2019 12:20:38
I can't help but think that this signing is related to Hoever. Ed01 had mentioned that there was a hint of attitude from Hoever because of the cameos, and maybe the club don't see Hoever in the future plans. Or maybe I'm making too much of it and they're building up a future partnership for both.

{Ed001's Note - did I?}


3.) 27 Jun 2019 12:28:19
What cameos? He played 1 cup game, he's a kid not ready for first team at all.


4.) 27 Jun 2019 12:27:34
Is it there ed01?

{Ed001's Note - I don't remember saying anything regarding Hoever, I think ArAy is getting mixed up with Camacho maybe?

Hoever barely featured and certainly did nothing outstanding to suggest he is in the running or in any way ready for the first team yet.}


5.) 27 Jun 2019 13:08:14
It was 007 (the poster, not the Ed) that said that Hoever's first team appearance had gone to his head and that he was regressing.

No one else including the eds have confirmed or denied that to be true though.


6.) 27 Jun 2019 13:20:45
Hoever plays one first team game and suddenly hes the next Lilian Thuram ????.


7.) 27 Jun 2019 13:39:40
Less than a full game (he came off the bench early doors), and i'm sure he's seen more as a full back than a CB (at the moment anyway) . No reason to doubt 007's rambling posts, but he's been playing for Dutch youth teams in tournaments, so I would be surprised if he turned into a big-time Charlie after one subs appearance.


8.) 27 Jun 2019 13:43:53
He wasnt brilliant but he did okay. What shone through was his confidence. He looked like a wee lad though, nowhere near ready. Must be decent though to have made the bench.


9.) 27 Jun 2019 13:54:22
The price paid for van den berg is very good for a teenager that attracted the attention of all of europe's top clubs, he is very young and not expected to be a first teamer, the club will allow him to develop, if he fulfil his potential, then we have a hell of centre back pairing in the next couple of years, if not we 'll move him on and will make decent return on him. Remember Solanke.


10.) 27 Jun 2019 16:42:56
I could well be very wrong guys + Ed01. But I clearly remember reading something about Hoever beginning to show some attitude. I'll do a search and see if I can pull it out. Apologies if I'm wrong and if it referred to someone else.


11.) 27 Jun 2019 16:47:19
He played less than a game. He could be anything yet. Give the boy some time to develop.


12.) 27 Jun 2019 17:11:07
I loved Cameo"Word Up"brill song.


13.) 27 Jun 2019 17:24:30
Barry, I still watch the video from time to time. Truly avant-garde when it came out. That boxing cup!


14.) 27 Jun 2019 17:27:56
I did a search and couldn't find anything. Maybe Epic is right and somehow I confused Ed001 with 007 (both will be reaching for a gun to point at my head now) . Sorry for any for any confusion created. It should have stayed in my head.

{Ed001's Note - Bondy will be making a note of this day in his calendar!!}


15.) 27 Jun 2019 18:31:46
Ed1, what would be the plan for this young kid then? Weve signed him from playing 1st team football, presumably theres little point in him joining our under 23s so do you see him getting anywhere near the 1st team match day squad or will he get loaned out?

{Ed001's Note - why is there little point in him playing in the U23s? It is about teaching him how to play our way. Plus he will cover the first team.}


16.) 27 Jun 2019 18:41:48
Does he have the time Ed001? Given he's so busy hanging out at the docks and finding any means possible to hang LFC flags and colors anywhere anyhow, LOL.

{Ed001's Note - he will make time for that.}


17.) 28 Jun 2019 07:23:16
Lfc hopeful asking Eds to look into a crystal ball. And will he be loaned out? Seriously? On the actual day he signed? Come on.

{Ed002's Note - He cannot be loaned out - the rules do not allow it.}


18.) 28 Jun 2019 20:34:44
Whats so crazy about that question Jurgen? Were taking a 17yo out of 1st team football so my question really is arenliverpool looking to put him into the 1st team squad, where by ahead of him is VVD, Gomez, Lovren and Matip or are we going to put him in with the under 23s. I would presume there is some sort of plan rather than crystal ball gazing. Eds replies he could learn how to play our way in the under 23s, thats probably the plan and the club sure know better than me. I just wasnt sure if that was a better development route that 1st team football, and if it wasnt hed either be expected to be pushing for our XI or wed loan him.


 

 

 

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18 Jul 2019 04:06:04
I think kent would suit our wide role better than Wilson, his end product is far from great though but be my first choice winger to keep if we struggle to sign a better quality wide player.


 

 

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18 Jul 2019 04:02:36
SGRed you hit the nail on the head there I agree with you completely.

Coutinho in our midfield weakens us, everybody is calling for him to sign to play in midfield, he only ever played there 4 or 5 times for us and mostly struggled. He was and still is a left sided forward, he's never shown any form as a central playing midfielder in the past. For me he'd only be backup to mane on the left currently in our strongest 11, and at his age with transfer fee and huge wages it would be bad business for us.


 

 

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13 Jul 2019 05:38:10
I don't think it's necessarily as simple to just say he doesn't have the work rate. It's just his overall style doesn't fit well for us, lack of pace and aggression on and off the ball, he not suited to a high tempo running team. A very good player with hopefully a bright future but he needs the right team to suit his play.

The likes of riquelme, deco, sneijder, all star players in the right side but would never suit us under klopp due to playing style.


 

 

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04 Jul 2019 16:16:37
I'd take de gea over lloris myself. I don't rate lloris as high as many others. I think if you stuck him in United's team for the last 5 years and de gea behind vertonghen and alderwield it would be a clear winner. The standard of keepers in England is strong now, the fact that England's no1 keeper is no better than mid table standard currently. Big teams are splashing out for the best keepers as they make a big difference. The level of full backs on the other hand is very poor at moment. City have had to spend about 120 or more on walker danilo and mendy, and they still aren't strong there. Ashley young and Valencia, 2 wingers with average careers into their 30s have been what United have relied on. Rose doesn't look happy, trippier is not a defender. Azpilicueta can only defend and Alonso can only attack, neither suit a back 4. Arsenal use 34 yr olds or else young wingers.

The fact United had to pay near 50mil for a RB with 40 games played in his career is because the quality is so poor.

Makes you wonder even just recently the likes of cole, evra, Coleman, Baines, zabaleta, sagna, ivanovic have played many years regularly at top sides. Only a couple of those I'd say were consistently top class but every left back there gets in every team asides us today. Cole maybe would get ahead of robbo in his prime. Even the right backs, not fashionable but defend better than every current RB asides Azpilicueta and jury still out on AWB. If bassaka cost 50 imagine what maldini or thuram would be worth in today's market. 10 or 15 years ago when the prem had vidic and Ferdinand, Terry and carvalho, carragher and hyypia. Even guys like gallas, ledly king, Richard Dunne, kompany, Laursen and lescott at villa. Harry Maguire would be nowhere near as he's valued if that group were playing today. City could possibly have walker stones Maguire and let's just say if they went for chilwell as another example of vastly overrated. Your talking 220 million plus on an English back 4 who I'd value at nothing more than 100mil tops. Trent Gomez and robbo cost us 11mil. I don't get why some clubs aren't shopping abroad with the market in England at moment. United spurs arsenal and city will all have to spend big money this summer on at least 1 and likely 2 first team defenders and in this market I'm glad we did our work last summer.


 

 

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04 Jul 2019 12:16:41
Thanks for that answer, very insightful overview in fairness. It's his versatility indeed is what would have made him a sensible option too I think. Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

 

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18 Jul 2019 20:52:00
He can certainly score worldys and I feel his reputation exploded on some of those goals alone. Goes missing for large periods, zidane did seem to use him regularly in his last spell alright but he's not my cup of tea.


 

 

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18 Jul 2019 14:24:20
I don't rate asensio at all, vastly over hyped. What makes you think klopp likes him? I wouldn't see him as a klopp type personally.


 

 

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18 Jul 2019 09:25:13
Yeah I thought so too, we're better off not knowing those kind of details anyway. Would just be another reason for fans to scrutinise players.


 

 

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18 Jul 2019 09:21:45
My bad haha, we should forget his age until he actually shows signs of slowing up, easily has a few more seasons in the tank. A fantastic signing.


 

 

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18 Jul 2019 04:56:42
Ed002 very much enjoyed that info on the structure of payment for coutinho. I think it's fascinating the stipulations and things like that included that 99% of us fans never consider or care about.

I also wonder do certain players act more selfish than others when things like personal targets and goals need to be met in their contracts for money bonuses, and we are ignorant to this info of course.

{Ed002's Note - I am sure they do, but bonuses are exempt from the salary details that are lodged by the club so I have no visibility.}