Liverpool Banter Archive October 10 2017

10 Oct 2017 20:25:11
Hi All,

Can hasn't signed a contract because he knows Klopp is not fully convinced by him.

Also Liverpool has always been for sale while FSG have been in charge, every potential buyer knows the price.

Cheers

Macca.

10 Oct 2017 20:30:22
Thanks Macca mate good to see you back on here.

10 Oct 2017 20:48:40
I'm not convinced by Can either; let him go.

10 Oct 2017 20:51:56
Brilliant Macca thank's for the information.

10 Oct 2017 21:34:06
Not sure many of us are totally convinced by him, when he's good he can look really good and dominate a game however when he is bad he is dog dirt . you can normally tell in the first five mins of a game if he is going to have a stinker.

10 Oct 2017 21:42:49
He just a kid. Wish we stuck with him. This is him now at this age, are we saying he has reached his ceiling?

10 Oct 2017 21:52:54
I think he should stay.

10 Oct 2017 22:14:26
I personally like the kid, but more importantly he has to do what's right for his career and moving clubs may well be his best option. I wish the lad all the luck in the world, I hope it works out for him should he move on.

10 Oct 2017 22:14:57
What is Can's best position.
People say he's young, we have younger better players.
He's a big unit, but he doesn't use it effectively.

Nothing against Can, he's been a model pro, but he is just not good enough I'm afraid.

10 Oct 2017 22:32:54
Ive been convinced he has been going for a long time now.

10 Oct 2017 22:36:42
Cheers Macca,

So any interested parties in the club and what is the figure to buy us?

Baz.

10 Oct 2017 23:18:21
People want new signing like kieta but also want to keep can. you are aware it 11 a side game yeah.

10 Oct 2017 23:26:50
I think Can could end up being the one that got away, he has the build, drive and skills to be a Monster in CM .
Oh and everything is for sale everything, no insult Macca, 1 Mill you can have my ma.

10 Oct 2017 23:28:08
Who are the younger better players Ron?

10 Oct 2017 23:37:28
So if we've always been for sale since FSG have been in charge what does that tell us. It tells me they rescued as some say (bought the club at a cheap price) with the intention of making money from it with a sale from the outset. Everyone on here takes Macca's word as gospel so it will be interesting to see what people's thoughts are now regarding the owners.

{Ed002's Note - Well he has kicked off a Can hate campaign and no doubt it will be the same for the owners.}

10 Oct 2017 23:51:08
This isn't anything new so don't really see the point of the post macca, like ed002 says, just sets up two hate campaigns. Can we get back to galactic world class team please. What's the team so far ed?

{Ed002's Note - I would need to check in the morning .}

10 Oct 2017 23:58:43
Okay cool. An just to explain I'm not having a dig at macca, it's more the posters that will now use it as an excuse to moan. For example, waiting for waro and ozone to crawl out of their rocks to give it stacks about the owners.

11 Oct 2017 00:24:17
Shame. Feel he could be great. Best of luck to him but maybe he could get a proper holding midfielder to replace and release Hendo further forward where he is more effective.

11 Oct 2017 00:51:53
Macca just posted what he believes is accurate info on Klopps view of Can - not sure why that should start any sort of negativity towards Can.

Reality is he seems a good kid and quality player but maybe Klopp just doesn’t think he works perfectly for his system? I can see why Can would work perfectly for someone else though as he’ll be an excellent all-rounder given time to develop his read of the game and in a league that’s a little slower and where his size will be an asset and his lack of acceleration/ mobility less of an issue.

11 Oct 2017 00:52:23
Macca has opened a Can of worms,

Can is running down his contract as he is entitled to do, probably with Klopps discreet blessings if Macca is to believed.

I'd say if Kieta happened last summer Can would be at Juve now,

Same applies, if Kieta by some chance happens in Jan.

Any chance of Ed2 having a bit of a whip round to collect for a rumour buy out, Fronted by Ed2,

What a person to have dealing with unscrupulous agents and spoilt players,

11 Oct 2017 05:23:18
Jayden so what if they bought the club to make a profit? We could have an owner like Moores who ran the club purely for his own pleasure (has he even set foot in the club since he left) and created many of the issues we see today. As long as we have owners who want to run the club in a professional way such that it improves each year then i don't care why they bought the club. FSG aren't running the club into the ground, they are putting money into improving the facilities, they are funding the purchases of new players. Which begs the question - What exactly do you want from our owners?

11 Oct 2017 05:51:28
I want owners who want to own the club and are willing to do everything long term. Not look to offload it the minute someone meets their billion dollar price target.

11 Oct 2017 06:38:00
Yes they maybe looking to sell given the opportunity, we have to remember it's because these are businessmen at the end of the day. Football, since the involvement of BSB in 1992 has now become a business unfortunately. FSG's baby is the Boston Red Sox, baseball is their game.

I don't though, think they have been bad owners, they've given the managers plenty of money to spend and when we've sold players like Torres and Suarez the money has been invested back into the squad. it's just we have not always bought the right players.

They've invested in a new stand giving us an extra 8,000 seats, though a lot of those are cooperate but that's where the money is unfortunately.

Can they complete with the Glaazers, Abramovich and the Shieks at Man City when it comes to spending power? Ed 2 would probably be the best person to answer that.

11 Oct 2017 07:21:02
Jayden - I'd be with you if FSG were sittin on their hands waiting for the market to drive our price up and then just sell for no investment. But that is simply not the case mate.

11 Oct 2017 09:05:45
Let's hope can gets into klopps thinking by way of some outstanding performances- starting with united.

11 Oct 2017 08:52:43
Sorry if I missed it, is there any people looking to buy us? I know Macca said we have been up for sale since FSG came in but has there been real contact made by serious people to put a formal offer in? Do FSG have people actively looking for buyers or is a case of if someone comes to them.

{Ed002's Note - I am going to leave this for Macca who will no doubt be providing details of the potential buyers for you.}

11 Oct 2017 11:08:51
I'm fairly certain when there is news on a sale of the club ed2 will let us know.

11 Oct 2017 12:16:59
Cheers Ed002.

11 Oct 2017 12:55:09
At the risk of being accused of hating I am going to stick my neck out and say that all of our central midfield is weak. This is one of the softest group of midfielders I've seen in an LFC side for over 40 years.
As well as not providing much quality, the trio of Can, Henderson and Wijnaldum do not provide much steel in the centre of the park.
I do not hate Can but I would not mind it if he left and we brought in a grittier replacement.

11 Oct 2017 20:44:10
Supermane, you mean like Naby Kaita?

11 Oct 2017 22:38:55
We need more than one player to come in at CM
How many of the top 6 teams would Hendo or Gini be first choice.

11 Oct 2017 23:29:20
Good luck to Can if and when he leaves in the next few months.
It's been coming for a while now and nothing wrong with running down his contract.
Hope he has a successful career in Italy or back in Germany.

10 Oct 2017 18:42:07
Ed1 could they move all the qualifier internationals to after the end of the season, and then with these 2 multiple weeks wasted on them add them to the end of the summer so the players make there time off up and three could just have a continuous season without any of this stupid stoppages.

There's another one due in November. That's 6 weeks for players to off, if we had that extra space for games, we could even sing a 2 week winter break.

{Ed001's Note - I think it would be better as well. Do a club season, then an international season. It would make much more sense than the current mess.}

10 Oct 2017 21:47:41
Exactly what I was thinking when I read about Mane. The clubs invest heavily in these players and cannot afford these injuries when we rely on others to look after their well-being
Club before Country club everytime.

10 Oct 2017 16:09:14
The international curse strike's again. Mane out for up to six weeks. Club Manager's must absolutely despise international break's.

10 Oct 2017 16:41:35
When it rains, it pours.

{Ed025's Note - thats a massive loss bingo, if his replacement is alex hopeless chamberlain then you are in trouble mate..

10 Oct 2017 16:52:52
In trouble is an understatement. werr f@%ked!

{Ed025's Note - not yet Jcw, football is a funny old game mate and now is the time for someone to step up to the plate..

10 Oct 2017 17:00:08
I doubt it will be AOC to replace him really. I just think that Coutinho will play on the left like last season, Salah on the right and Firmino down the centre with Henderson, Wijnaldum and Can in midfield.

Doesn’t say much for AOC that even with Mané and Lallana out, I don’t see him getting in the side.

{Ed025's Note - for me he has to play reid, otherwise why pay £40m for him?..

10 Oct 2017 17:09:36
Hate Internationals. Would have been nice to have two fully fit squads battling against each other. No idea when Pogba is back, but we look far less strong in midfield without him. Then Fellaini's aerial presence will be missed along with Pogba. Can you imagine Young swinging balls into Lukaku, Pogba, Fellaini, Matic, Jones, Bailly, Smalling and Rashford. I think Fellaini and Pogba is a huge miss. Mane will be a huge miss too.

10 Oct 2017 17:40:08
I can't imagine young doing anything of the sort as surely surely surely he will not be allowed to cut to his right foot as in previous games.

10 Oct 2017 17:21:06
Spot on, Ed25. I don't think Klopp will start AOC in place of Mane (who is a GUGE loss) . Like Reid said, he will go with Salah, and Cou on the flanks, Firmino iat CF with Hendo and Can and Wiji in a midfield 3. Wiji has not been good this season so if he does play, I hope he puts in a good perf. cos we really need it. As for Utd, not having Pogba and Fellaini in midfield is a blow to them which means our midfield (if they can get their crap together) can go toe to toe with theirs.

We have dealt with Lukaku well of late as he is yet to score a goal against us in his last 3 games and if we can limit the service into him, then we can stifle him. These games are too close to call BUT with us at home and Klopp's impeccable record vs the big teams since 2015, we should get a reult from the game hopefully, a win.

{Ed025's Note - a draw looks good to me now bingo..

10 Oct 2017 17:32:28
I'm sure he will play Ed025, but he has so far demonstrated that he has not settled in enough to justify starts.

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

10 Oct 2017 19:15:26
He is one player, a very good player, granted but if we can't cope with an injury to a player then we are in big diffs. It should not be used as an excuse for not getting results.

10 Oct 2017 20:21:47
Irish, if Chelsea lost Hazard or if City lost Silva or KDB, they would struggle as well at ;east at first. I seem to remember City struggle a lot when Yaya (in his prime) was off to the AFCON. It is not as easy as you make it sound. It is not that you lost a player. It is the stature and importance of the player you lost. Hopefully, we can cope with out him throughout his absence.

{Ed002's Note - Hazard missed the first month of the season. Difference is the fans of other clubs don’t whine as much.}

10 Oct 2017 20:36:26
Irish Rover, did you not see our results when Mane was not available? We were terrible. Oxlade Chamberlain clearly isn’t as good as Mane and we will struggle again. Any chances in the league are now absolutely gone. Out of contention in October is a new record.

10 Oct 2017 20:37:58
He hasn't exactly lit up the stadium when he's played has he? AOC I mean.
He has lost a lot of weight and I think klopp is still working on him, turning him into the player he wants him to be. I honestly think he will come good. A hell of a lot of money for a bench warmer. I think he is still a little overwhelmed with signing for his boyhood team, there is a lot of expectation on him and remember, he is only twenty three. Still a kid really, hard to believe, seems like he has been round for years. He will be one of the 700 games club I think. One day.

10 Oct 2017 20:42:47
Managers must have sleepless nights scared the phone is going to ring with bad news. Hope Bobby and Couts get back uninjured as well. Still fringe players need to step up and grap opportunities like this. AOX, Milner, Studge, plus Lallana soon. Solanke, Woodburn and Ings for 10 min cameos. Even as a write this to cheer myself up, the squad is threadbare.

10 Oct 2017 20:58:40
23 or not, like Walcott, Owen, Ramsey, Wilshere and Rooney he is injury prone and played from a very young age. He may be 23 years old, but he could have the body of a 30 year old. Generally players that start at the highest level at 16, last til their mid-20's to late 30's at the highest level and start to deteriorate. And I would say AOC has less quality than all of the above had at their best.

He could turn out to be a decent signing when looking back in years to come, but I wouldn't say he is a young player still at 23. He's been on the scene for like 7/ 8 years now and injured for most part.

10 Oct 2017 21:13:28
24 even.

10 Oct 2017 21:59:01
Good point Sydney. I don't think we would have paid for someone who was falling to pieces. Lampard Gerrard carragher fowler all players who started young and has long glittering careers, Gareth Barry, Beckham, gigs, mcmanaman, the list goes on.

10 Oct 2017 23:23:35
Did any of them play regularly at the highest level at 16? Fowler played at highest level 18-26. Mcmanaman 18-29/ 30. Beckham started at 19. Started going downhill way before he retired, during Madrid days.

I don't know. Footballers don't generally have long at the highest level with exceptions of course and AOC started young. I think Liverpool paid so much for AOC because he is homegrown and versatile.

I'm not saying he's a crock, just that his age may he irrelevant when you compare to a player who plays at the highest level at 19/ 20. I think AOC may dip before most his age. Like your Owens and Wilshere. And other injury prone lads playing from 16.

10 Oct 2017 23:57:58
Coutinho has started for Brazil so he will have a fitness test on Friday, therefore AOC may well get his opportunity. Firmino on the bench. Antonio Valencia didn't travel apparently which is great news for MU. He has become a very important player for us. Romero in goal for Argentina, although he is our 2nd keeper so not too important. I expect there will be fingers crossed that Coutinho makes it through the game unscathed and doesn't play the full game.

10 Oct 2017 13:26:17
Hello ed1, was wondering if you could give your England starting 11 for the world cup. Currently in a debate with people saying Wilshere should start due to hendo's "lack of creativity"

{Ed001's Note - sorry mate, I wouldn't have a clue about England, I take little notice of international footie but Wilshere would not get in my team if I was picking a Sunday league team, let alone an international one.}

10 Oct 2017 14:15:33
It's not too late for you English lads to play the British card and start supporting N. I. More interesting than watching England and I've got a mate who can get you genuine (nearly) N. I shirts for a tenner, you'll look great and you'll get to see some real football 😆.

10 Oct 2017 14:23:11
Lol ed01. Wilshere in front of Hendo? Whoever says that is crazy. Watching England has become so boring. The boys walking about with the ball at their feet. It's like they refuse to break into a sweat against these smaller teams. Lithuania, malta, iceland etc. One of the exceptions is Jordan Henderson. I don't know what people are talking about saying he isn't creative? He has been involved in every goal England has scored recently. Henderson came into some criticism a few weeks ago and since then he has been brilliant for both liverpool and england. For me there are two names that are automatically on the England team sheet and they are Henderson and Kane. ALi and Rashford are close behind although I have to say, I still haven't seen why there is so much hype around deli Ali. He doesn't look like he is trying for england and I don't watch spurs much. I have never been blown away by deli Ali though.

Question for the lad's and the eds if they have time. Who are the other options for the number 10 role for england? I'm talking alternatives to deli Ali. I would be much happier with Rooney than Ali. Ali was one of the players who completely fell to pieces against iceland. I don't get it? Deli Ali ain't that good. Kane would score even more next to coutinio.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is that England players are being managed by a safety first manager, so none of them have any creativity as they are being stifled. Southgate was a ridiculous appointment, he never even wanted the job and is a hopeless manager.}

10 Oct 2017 15:30:44
I agree with you ed01 mate, Southgate is too young, coz when we don't win the world cup and lose a couple of games he will get SO MUCH stick by the press and that Is his career over. Once you have failed with England you are in the doldrums for a couple of years. Southgate was doing fantastic with the under 21 team and now they have lost their manager too. I love watching England but it is so boring now. They literally walk about with the ball at their feet, They act like they are one of the top international teams, with Germany Spain and France, Italy but they ain't. We got well beaten by iceland, I'm worried for england without Gerrard and now rooney.

If you get a Centre back as a manager you are going to play some boring football. We have players like Rashford, Lallana and Ali who should be lighting up the game but the look really restricted at the moment. Rashford is some player, shame he is utd.

The hard question. . who would you choose to replace Southgate guys and eds?

P. s. I like Gareth Southgate as a man, seems a good bloke BTW. Was a great cb un his day, felt tor him badly when he missed pen (why was he taking one? )

{Ed001's Note - was he doing well or did he just happen to have very good players who did well and he got the credit? Only they have looked a lot better since he left....}

10 Oct 2017 16:10:05
Really ed01? I didn't know that. yeah they won the world cup didn't they!

If we don't perform in the world cup Southgate is going to be the next parsnip next to the turnip! He doesn't deserve that.

It worked for Italy though, the defencive game got them to the final of the euros. And juventus in the champions league. I don't think we have the outstanding cbs, Dmf and gk to play that way. Italy had buffon and bouniccio (sorry about the spelling) England have cahill and Hart, we should play to our strengths. Get that ball to Harry Kane and the lad will tuck it away, we have quick, tricky attacking players who can play down the wing or through the middle and whip that ball to kane., ;call up defoe too. Two deadly strikers, who WILL score if they get the ball, it's long ball (which I'm not a fan of) but we are up against some tough opposition, we need to stay compact.

Supporting England gives us an insight as to what it's like to support Stoke!

{Ed001's Note - please not Defoe, he is one of the most overrated players of all time, misses so many easy chances, then slots one away and everyone raves about him. He is not good enough at Prem level.}

10 Oct 2017 17:42:25
English people think creativity is playing the stupidest passes possible and taking credit when it once a season pays off. Hence so many rate Wiltshire. Just like they think that being strong or fast is the same as being talented, even if you have no tactical understand of how to use it. Hence they rate players like Zaha and Townsend despite their clear deficiencies as a player.

10 Oct 2017 17:44:14
I hope you mean not good enough anymore. The man has scored 159 premier league goals.

{Ed001's Note - and missed about 3000 great chances. He has been lucky to play in teams that set up purely to give him the ball in dangerous areas.}

10 Oct 2017 20:50:04
I dunno ed, he is a pretty tight finisher isn't he? Ok not defoe, it has to be sturridge then but I don't think he is suited to the long ball game. Maybe even Andy carol for the high balls. I don't think we can beat Germany or Brazil by going toe to toe, we have to be cute about it. If harry kane has the ball in the penalty area then that ball is in the back of the net.

{Ed001's Note - not really mate it is a myth. He is one of those that misses loads then scores one and all is forgotten.}

10 Oct 2017 11:09:37
Phew. Had organised a weekend on Fraser Island here in Queensland, 4 wheel driving with the wife. Didn't realise the Utd game was on. Well, the footballing gods have smiled on me and there are severe storms forecast 😀
I know our form has been patchy, and FaceTimed my older brother in Fazakerley who is already sweating on the game. I'm pretty optimistic, think we'll cruise to 3 points actually.

10 Oct 2017 12:24:37
i'd name fish after you in the reef if we do burkeyboy. :)

10 Oct 2017 10:05:39
Predictions for the weekend everyone? Doesn't look promising really.

10 Oct 2017 10:29:36
Let's not be so negative, we're at Anfield, we know we need a result from this game, Utd are playing decent but it goes on the day. I'm going to say 2-2. Utd will be confident as hell, it depends what their tactics are, personally I don't think they'll park the bus, I think they'll attack us knowing how our defence is. This could be to our advantage if we counter attack them, let's see, looking forward to the game.

10 Oct 2017 11:58:06
Don't think they'll park the bus, but won't go all out either. Wouldn't surprise me if things click early for us and we're up a couple within 30. Would love lallana for a game like this.

10 Oct 2017 12:03:19
I hope your right Burkey mate.

10 Oct 2017 12:13:33
Last year I predicted that they’d batter us and I believe that if they go for it this year the same will happen. They could beat us 5-0 from set plays alone although I’m glad they won’t have the Fellini option. They could however come to bore us into losing 1-0 too.

10 Oct 2017 12:26:14
These types of rivalry games are always very hard to prdict. Also remember last season at OT, we played a blinder in spite of all our injuries and absences (Mane, Clyne and Cou coming back from injury) and were it not for useless decision from the AR who failed to see Valencia who was a yard offside, we would have bagged all 3 points as Klopp schooled Mou into playing hoofball as his team could not handle Klopp's variating pressing system for that game. We were underdogs then and we are more so now. We're at home, the crowd on our side and under Klopp, our record vs big teams is the best in the PL, period. Anything can happen.

10 Oct 2017 13:26:14
Your posts fill me with as much optimism and enthusiasm as your namesake's TV show JK. 3-1 Liverpool is my guess.

10 Oct 2017 13:27:30
I believe we will get the win to be fair. We always play well against the big boys. To be fair to utd they are on form. Lukaku could have allot to say, but this is their first test of the season. We already have played arsenal and city, i am confident, but it isn't going to be easy. We badly need the win.

10 Oct 2017 13:27:39
Nice optimism bingo, I think this game is perfect for us. I think Jose will set up very defencively. A lot of people have written lfc off this year, but as much as I dislike Jose, he knows what a threat liverpool are and he will set up accordingly. The
Longer it goes with no goals the more that plays into utd hands. We need to score early imo. I think Hendo and Can can boss their midfield, especially without pogba and fellini. This is the sort of game we could do with lallana.

Ed, any idea when adam lallana is due back?

10 Oct 2017 13:34:13
True bingo.

10 Oct 2017 13:51:07
4-1 to us, migs to score a hat trick.

10 Oct 2017 18:24:10
Don't know whether these post constitute blind faith or deluded hope but they sure are funny 😂.