Liverpool Banter

30 Apr 2024 11:34:58
It's on some sites that a lip reader has stated that Mo said to Klopp, i will get red carded I've been here 7 years. Wow, if that is true that is bang out of order by Mo.

30 Apr 2024 12:33:49
that's a hilarious accusation I highly doubt it, think everyone is taking this to seriously people argue and have disagreements move on I bet if you look at training photos everyone will be smiling and forgotten about it.

30 Apr 2024 12:34:48
I think Klopp just wanted him to stand together with Nunez and Gomez as subs were made instead of sulking on his own. He has disrespected his manager his fellow team mates and the fans who supported him to get to this level. Get gone you fowl little man remember Liverpool fc will always be bigger and better than any single player. We put you on the map Mo and you act like this I hope to not see him play again.

30 Apr 2024 12:46:20
I wonder if it’s the same lip readers that tried to get Suarez off the hook 🤔.

30 Apr 2024 12:52:57
I agree nicol.

30 Apr 2024 12:56:55
Kloppers, indeed. I do agree that Salah should not have shown up his manager (who he owes his career to, btw) in public. No player should do that to his manager. Apart from that and from desperate media hacks looking for a controversy to nibble on, there's nothing to see here, personally. a.

30 Apr 2024 14:31:55
What do you reckon Oli, salah nets against spurs, runs over to the touch line high fives Klopp and jumps into his arms? All forgotten in best way possible.

30 Apr 2024 14:51:13
Salah doesn't owe his career to Klopp and the club didn't put Salah on the map.
Liverpool and Salah have been great for each other and there's no reason that can't continue for another season at least.
As for Klopp, he's very much a hands on manager. One of the lads with his hugs, handshakes, fist bumps, celebrations and general demeanour.
I can imagine him having the crack and bantering with the players. I can imagine him using some colourful language and letting players know when he is not happy and I can also imagine him taking some back if one of his players did it.
Klopp says it's "done" and I'll take his word for it.

30 Apr 2024 14:57:03
How does he owe his career to Klopp?

30 Apr 2024 08:52:16
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, West Ham United v Liverpool - A Quick Liverpool Perspective

30 Apr 2024 09:46:34
Good read as usual Ed1. I wonder how can you watches these last few Liv matches more than once. It must be hard watching the replay without cursing on everyone on Liv side. Every time I saw we passing the ball sideway and then all the way back to the keeper, or when Trent just casually walk into the middle, it make me infuriated.

{Ed001's Note - it is hard work watching us once, let alone twice, at the moment.}

30 Apr 2024 10:57:43
Ugh, no idea how you do it Ed. It's difficult to watch these flat performances. A slow death.

Agree on the curious recruitment vs the way we try to play.

But then again, the coaching team has remained pretty static for 5 years and Klopp, whether intended or not, has effectively played the role of sporting director over the last 2 years. This is how echo chambers are formed.

{Ed001's Note - very good point. We have needed to refresh things. That was how Fergie stayed at the top so long, he constantly changed his coaching team. He was more of a sporting director/director of football than a coach, he rarely appeared on the training pitches. But the rotation of new coaches underneath allowed him to stay up to date and brought in fresh new ideas.}

30 Apr 2024 12:07:57
This is the point I was trying to make previously. I am as sad as anyone to see Klopp go, however, I am glad that Pep Linders is going and I am looking forward to a new COACH coming in - which is what I believe Arne Slot's "job title" to actually be. As much as I love Klopp it seems like we play "Linders-ball" which is this slow monotonous play which doesn't suit us or the majority of our players. Klopp deserves all the love and thanks for what he has done over the last 8 years but I am excited to see what AS will bring to our playing style next year.

30 Apr 2024 11:26:27
Great read, as always Ed01. IMO, the reason not much is being said about Taylor's reprehensible display of incompetence laced in infinite arrogance, is cos LFC are out of the title race. As I said before, had this incident happened vs Palace (and had Gakpo scored, for ex. ) when we had a real shot at the title or vs Fulham last week and we didn't win, can you imagine the type of firestorm that would have ensued? Webbo and the PG-LOL (saw that on line, lol) would have been scampering for cover cos after all the wretched decisions we've had go against us, it would have been very interesting to see what Webbo and Owen would have come up with.

As for the game, it was a real snooze fest esp. in that first half. WH are terrible, mate. Absolutely dire but we couldn't do much cos we ain't that far away from their level right now.

As for the bust-up, I think Klopp kept Elliott (who was having a wretched time of it, IMO) on for that long to send a message to Salah and others that there are no favorites here. Salah got upset (he prolly was already for being benched) and with him ignoring Klopp's hug/ handshake), tempers flared up. Storm in a tea cup, IMO.

{Ed001's Note - I doubt it has anything to do with Elliott. Not a chance.}

30 Apr 2024 11:50:50
Ed001, whatever you're paying yourself, it's not enough to watch these games twice. Maybe call it a day until next season pal! For your own sanity.

{Ed001's Note - it is not enough to watch them once, so I defo agree on it not being enough to sit through a repeat!}

30 Apr 2024 12:27:01
Tactics have been poor but the manager not being ruthless with poor performances from Mo Szob Konate and Nunez has not helped. These 4 players have been truly abysmal and would not get in a League one team based on performance. I would not sweat it if any of these 4 left the club.

30 Apr 2024 12:45:15
After your review of Everton game, first time it gave a feeling that the reivew came out of full frustration.

(esp around Klopp should have gone 2 years before and all)

But you hit the nail on the head here when you said that if we need to play possession style, we don't have the right/ intelligent players to play that sort of game.

Honestly the evolution from heavy metal to the current style was required and the right apporach. Unfortunately we did not have players to execute and hence we have looked so dull in most of these games. (the results were covering us up untill the last few games) .

Every team we have played this season looked like the have come to challenge us and were looking better most of the time whereas we were able to grind out results.

Hence we had so many fans say x, y, z team would roll over against M City, Arsenal but a team at 20 or 19th spot would give us a run for money everytime we played them. (that feeling)

Wished Mo Salah could have handled it better when he was asked while he was leaving. We can fogive whatever happened on the field as there might have been too much tension brewing but he could have kept quiet and put this to rest by just keeping calm instead of fire comments.

30 Apr 2024 13:00:02
Ed01, I can see that. Just thought Salah could have been pee'd off at the fact that he's on the bench (and rightfully so) yet those playing ahead of him (maybe not Elliott specifically) aren't doing the business either and in fact, are fluffing their lines the way he has been.

30 Apr 2024 13:11:15
Ed1, I don't know if you agree or not but it seems to me that we have no pattern or any idea of what to do in our build up phase. All we do seems to be passing the ball sideways and backwards between the midfielders and the defenders. And when Trent goes to midfield, we give him the ball and hoping he can produce pass of the season or we pass the ball to our wingers, mainly Diaz and hoping he can dribble pass all 10 oppositions players. Its hard to believe that we actually work on our build up phase in training sessions.

{Ed001's Note - to a degree I can see what you mean yes, but I am sure they do work on it, but it is just that it conflicts with the keeping possession work, most likely. It leaves the players trying to play it safe too often, as the emphasis is on keep ball.}

30 Apr 2024 14:08:16
Watched the game in a bar on holiday with a Chelsea fan. funny hearing other people's thoughts who don't support us . but we were winning 2-1 n I was sayin don't sit back, go for the 3rd n he says no Liverpool are managing the game now . I laughed n said you abv don't know us well.5 mins later its 2-2.he was shaking his head on how easy it was for them to score.

30 Apr 2024 15:00:06
The words he used in his departure announcement says it all. "Running out of energy". Not "content with what I've done", or "ready in a new chapter". I think the obvious inflection point is C.V.. The collective and personal trauma of the C.V., winning the title with no fans, and the unexpected collapse in the following season are huge stress inducers. We use the word burnout colloquially but sometimes it's important to actually clarify what it is. WHO consider burnout to be an entirely occupational phenomenon, and it genuinely affects how the brain functions.

"Burnout is a syndrome conceptualized as resulting from chronic workplace stress that has not been successfully managed. It is categorised by three dimensions:

- Feelings of energy depletion or exhaustion,
- Increased mental distance from one's job, or feeling of negativism or cynicism related to one's job,
- Reduced professional efficiency

I'm not here to diagnose Klopp. However, the decision he made 2 years ago to take a step back, while still in the job (this distinction is important) is a telltale characteristic of someone managing burnout, and it also speaks to his nature of not wanting to quit or let the club down. Unfortunately, that's a temporary fix at best. The only real cure is to stop completely. But taking extended leave isn't an option in management. You're either in or you're out.

One more quote.

"Initially, signs and symptoms of burnout are subtle, with gradual progression. Although aware of negative changes in their mental (emotional, cognitive) and physical functioning, at first, many affected individuals neither recognize nor understand the connection between these changes and the depletion of their resources of mental and physical energy and well-being".

Cheers.

{Ed025's Note - interesting read that mate..

30 Apr 2024 15:04:11
It's even worse when you actually pay to watch the turgid ****.

30 Apr 2024 15:08:07
A Chelsea fan shaking his head at Liverpool?!
I wonder what he makes of things at his club. That penalty the other week was unbelievable.
Credit to Palmer though. He let them argue before scoring it and leaving them to carry on arguing about who should have taken it 😂.

29 Apr 2024 20:00:54
Absolutely ridiculous to keep Salah next season he is all washed up. I hope this is not true he must be sold.

29 Apr 2024 20:28:26
LFC isn't going to say we don't want Salah after what happened on weekend. We need to have grip before salah's contractual situation get out of hand.

29 Apr 2024 20:50:55
Let’s just see what happens. Liverpool have to put themselves in a strong negotiating position so to say ‘we don’t want Salah next season’ would just be stupid.

We have to say he’s an integral part of the team, he’s staying etc. etc. so we can demand the best compensation if someone else wants him.

I’m happy either way, the guy’s a legend. Not had his best season but most of his really poor form has been since he came back from AFCON with an injury. If you remember rightly has was awful after the last AFCON too and people were writing him off then.

If he stays I hope he gets his best form back with a new manager, if he goes I hope we get the most we can for him so we can sign a top replacement.

29 Apr 2024 20:51:55
Nice to see true Liverpool fan turn on our best player after all he's done.

Having a bad patch every player has one.

29 Apr 2024 20:53:27
Calm down, he will be evaluated by the new coaching team.

29 Apr 2024 20:54:08
Washed up is chucked about way too much nowadays you literally have no idea what it means. yes he's been poor last few months but if washed up is scoring 17 goals and 9 assists sign me up. Everyone else
Must be terrible then. And before anyone jumps on stop defending him I do believe he should be sold now for the club the rebuild the front line a bit.

29 Apr 2024 21:01:53
He’s our top scorer ain’t he? 😂 I’m happy either way with Salah. If he goes great if he stays great.

29 Apr 2024 21:14:52
If he's washed up what does that say about Nunez, Diaz, Gakpo and Jota?

29 Apr 2024 21:35:37
I think ideally we’d move him on but we’ve got 4 other forwards we want to keep Salah ahead of.

29 Apr 2024 21:50:06
For me Salah should have been sold seasons ago. Possibly when the last contract was improved.

29 Apr 2024 23:31:21
Reality is that Salah is in decline, he’s lost his pace, he’s struggling to beat even the slowest defenders. At his age he isn’t going to suddenly improve or get his pace back (not unless he starts taking the Lance Armstrong juice) and next season the issues we’re seeing now would continue to get worse.

Given that we work on a hand to mouth basis, the sensible and logical action is to sell now as this is the last opportunity we’ll have to get a good transfer fee. Salah will always be a club legend, that’s irrefutable fact, but times change and we can’t stand still.

30 Apr 2024 01:20:23
We can't keep a player who thinks he's bigger then the club. He showed his true colours the other day, no respect at all. For me he has to go, it's a must. I don't care how many goals you score or how many you assist, you respect your manager and that's as simple as it gets. He's got above himself and we need rid. Slot's time to cash out :) .

30 Apr 2024 07:26:09
Rising age, high wages, declining form, attitude issues, flirting with continental clubs. Plus he still has a decent value so time to trade him in. Great servant and record-breaking player but no point in being sentimental. Thanks for your time with us, Mo, best of luck.

30 Apr 2024 07:42:36
The reality of the situation is that Mo hasn't been the same since the African Cup of Nations, he's about to turn 32, is on 350 k a week and has 1 ywar left on his contract. If the rumours were true, the Saudis were prepared to pay stupid money for him last summer, and it's safe to say they'll still pay crazy money to have one of the most visible truly world class Muslim players in their league.

Mo's legacy is cemented, he'll go down as the best right winger in prem history and one of the best goal scorers. We sell and use the money to improve.

30 Apr 2024 07:47:57
Why have so many of you got a problem with Salah about the minor quarrel between him and Klopp?
Klopp seems happy enough to let it go but some of you are not.
Disrespecting the club? Come on!
And you need to remember that Salah has a contract with the club for another year and he doesn't have to go to the Saudi league just so that you can buy a new player or two.
He might even fancy playing in the CL again and Slot might like the idea of a proven goalscorer in the squad.

30 Apr 2024 08:39:35
As much as I didn’t like Fergie, he would always move players on at the right time, giving him funds to reinvest and space in the squad.

For me, one criticism is that we hold onto player for too long….

30 Apr 2024 08:49:58
I agree with that, Drogie.

30 Apr 2024 10:09:37
Would be good to get some money for him, but if not then we keep our top scorer.
Plus we don't know what happened or whether mo thinks he bigger then the club. No need to jump to conclusions, quite honestly i expect every player is fuming at the performances, so i have no issue with a bit of passion being shown. Especially as klopps coaching looks to be dying off.

30 Apr 2024 10:23:49
Drogie, recent history has proven you right. But, I am not referring to Salah and his recent situation. I wouldn't be against keeping him for another year. But then he walks off on a free. So it's a juggling and balancing act that the club management will have to do in terms of what the priorities are.

30 Apr 2024 11:35:05
Like Beckers said, let's see what happens before the name-calling and slandering of Salah gets into full gear cos I listened to a podcast and a journalist who knows Slot very well said he is absolutely in love with wingers and as @Ron said, Slot deserves a chance to evaluate the situation with Salah and if Slot wants to do that then, where's the beef?

Tone down the name-calling and slandering cos it is futile and frankly, petty.

30 Apr 2024 12:33:23
Rigsby
Only yesterday you were pushing the “Klopp talking to Salah disrespectfully ‘
What changed 🤷‍♂️.

30 Apr 2024 13:43:36
Irish, the 'disrespectfully' thing was about my hypothetical boss after Ron said that I would be looking for a new one had I said what I might say.
I said Klopp had a go at Salah. I still believe that. If it turns out to be untrue then I will no longer think that.
As it is, there's nothing in it. Two blokes, a few choice words and a bit of pointing. Nothing!
I disagreed with Ron about Salah and how he shouldn't behave how he did to the boss. Again, there's not enough in it. I think you should be able to have a go at the boss if you think he's in the wrong. They are both adults. If Klopp can't handle a mouthful back from players that he is often seen screaming at he could always sit in the stands.
It seems like Klopp can though.

29 Apr 2024 14:19:00
Liverpool were seemingly very good at keeping things away from the media last time Edwards was here.

This Salah contract situation feels like a very meticulous leak, maybe forcing the Saudi clubs to move and move quick?

29 Apr 2024 15:12:56
Salah will have a say in where he goes, if he goes. I don't think he'll want to go to the Saudi league. He'll want to play at the highest level and it won't be all about the money for him.
We can't just sell him to whoever we want.

29 Apr 2024 16:11:43
I think he will 100% go to the Saudi League and the money will be a huge contributing factor.

29 Apr 2024 16:19:30
I don’t think he has the legs to play at the highest level anymore or for much longer anyway, you can tell he’s already slowed down. Certainly wouldn’t get a new long contract in a league like the prem. one of the farmers leagues or Middle East I’d bet.

29 Apr 2024 16:28:23
Salah's off, guys. That much w has been clear over the past few weeks with the way he has been performing and with that touchline bust up, who knows what's been going on behind the scenes?

29 Apr 2024 16:37:23
I certainly think it is a brief from the club. How can anybody know whether Salah is staying or going? He has a new sporting director, a new head coach and the resolve of prospective buyers to contend with.

29 Apr 2024 16:40:32
He won't stay here for much longer anyway. He might be offered another year on top of the year he has left; maybe on less money.
His legs might be going but he seems to look after himself and he's scored over twenty goals again this season.

29 Apr 2024 16:49:12
Ornstein reporting today that he’s staying 🤷🏻‍♂️.

29 Apr 2024 17:26:59
Well, if the fans want to sell the top scorer and he doesn't want to go, what are you going to do?

29 Apr 2024 17:43:40
Difficulty, is that it is evident that his legs are gone and doesn’t really have the pace, it’s also awkward as he thinks he’s undroppable, given the weekends outburst, Slot would have the same problem of a player who isn’t really up to the pace of the league but who thinks he should play every week, which could be disruptive to the squad and be an unnecessary distraction. Maybe I’m being harsh, but I’d rather a players legs went on someone else’s pitch instead of ours. Now seems the right time to sell.

29 Apr 2024 18:26:06
If he stays, then we lose him for free next year if he chooses to not sign an extension

The general feeling right now is that this is a tactic for players to get a huge salary at their next club.

Football has no place for sentiment.
Take the money and run or risk losing him for free.

I know what I'd choose.

29 Apr 2024 18:56:08
Why is Salah disruptive and why was the disagreement at the weekend about him not playing? Was is it about him not starting because from what I saw, Klopp had a go at Salah when West Ham scored.
Even if Salah should have gone last summer because he has lost some pace and is still our top scorer, what if he doesn't want to go to the Saudi league? He still has a contract and he is still our top scorer.
I'd be seeing if Diaz and Gakpo would get any offers and interested in leaving before Salah.

29 Apr 2024 19:23:53
If your boss has a go at you in public, the professional thing to do is to address it behind closed doors when the dust settles.
Don’t react and fan the flames, take it like a pro and deal with it later.
Whether the boss is right or wrong, you take it.

29 Apr 2024 19:33:31
I’d keep him one more year then allow him to go on a free. I’d be bedding in a long term replacement next season, I’d be selling Nunez.

29 Apr 2024 19:44:54
Ron, if my boss had a go at me and spoke to me disrespectfully, I might tell him to shut his mouth and suggest we deal with his problem privately and professionally.
Klopp had a go at Salah, rightly or wrongly, but as a boss you treat your employees with respect.

29 Apr 2024 20:34:16
Rigsby. Do you know what Klopp said 🤷‍♂️.

29 Apr 2024 20:55:55
Ok Rigsby, you might be looking for a new job whilst trying to have a meeting with your ex-boss.

29 Apr 2024 21:37:32
IR, no I don't. Why do you ask?

Ron, I'm probably out of touch but no one would be getting rid of me for standing up for myself. Imo, Klopp instigated the disagreement and Salah gave him some back.
Storm in a teacup.

29 Apr 2024 22:18:27
You stand up for yourself in private.
You don’t undermine your boss .

You don’t know what Klopp said to him but Salah (or any player) should keep a lid on it.

Nunez had it right, respect to him for intervening with Salah.

29 Apr 2024 22:46:44
Ron, and you don't know what Salah said to Klopp. If we don't know what was said how was Klopp undermined?
Imo, Klopp was annoyed when West Ham equalised, had a go at Salah and Salah gave him some back. There was no handshake after the game either.
I'm not blaming one or the other and they could and should both put it behind them. As it stands, it was nothing. If there were more arguments then might concede fewer goals!
I like to see some spirit like Mane with Salah for not passing and Milner bollocking van Dijk for letting an opponent shoot in our penalty area.
It shows they care.

29 Apr 2024 23:54:20
I don’t believe in coincidences and this report of Salah staying is all to convenient, Edwards is no fool and reality is either Salah signs a new contract or Salah is sold in the summer, whether he goes to Saudi is anyone’s guess but the club will for sure use the Saudi interest to inflate any other bids and I’m fine with that. Personally I think he goes to Saudi, his agent has been hawking him about for years to get better terms and all this talk of he wouldn’t want to play in x league and wants to be challenging for top honours is great in theory but let’s be honest Salah is out for Salah and if he can get 4 times the salary, rediculous endorsements and be the poster boy for the middle league above the likes of Ronaldo then I think he takes that all day long!

30 Apr 2024 01:31:23
why are we so adamant that Klopp had a go at Mo?

Maybe all he said was "ok we really need you now" and then Mo got irked by that?

30 Apr 2024 08:16:20
Dow-ney, another option is Salah sees out the last year of his contract at Liverpool.

Faith, I'm not adamant but having seen it a few times and noticed their body language and reactions, that is my conclusion.
West Ham score and Klopp approaches Salah in a less than friendly way. Salah looks surprised and defensive at first. His arms are wide and palms open suggesting 'what have I done'. Klopp carries on talking and backing away and Mo gets more animated and points his finger at Klopp and says things back.

Nothing more than a tiff after the opponents score a goal. I want the players and coaches to be annoyed when we give a goal away.

30 Apr 2024 10:59:14
Rigsby
I ask because you say Klopp spoke to Salah disrespectfully 🤷‍♂️.

30 Apr 2024 11:36:30
Nobody knows what was said to whoever, period.

30 Apr 2024 13:23:16
I didn't say that, Irish.
I said Klopp had a go at Salah. Klopp's body language and Salah's reaction leads me to think that. I might be wrong and Klopp may be in the right to have a go at Salah but we don't know. Therefore we don't whether Salah redacted badly or not.

I've not got a problem with either of them.