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20 Mar 2018 10:01:45
Morning lads hope all is well
Just a quick question
as a potential signing which one out of Frank Kessie and Ndidi suits liverpool better and what we need in our midfield?
as they are two of the most promising young midfielders around
would love to opinions from posters and eds please
Thank you and have a good day.

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{Ed002's Note - Keesie is notapotentjal signing.}

20 Mar 2018 10:59:40
is diawara ed?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

20 Mar 2018 11:32:43
Um Ed002 I did not mean as in linked or liverpool transfer committee have discussed just as possible, forgive me should of worded it better.

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20 Mar 2018 12:09:21
ok thanks, need a dm and a rb for my fm save. i've got haivertz for the false 9 as back up to bobby and horn in goal. finished 2nd in league 1st season and lost in the final of champs league 3-2 to barca. would love that to happen.

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20 Mar 2018 12:53:35
This is not fm.

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20 Mar 2018 13:19:56
Horn is Bundesliga avarage and in no way or form better than Karius. The only Keeper looking at in the bundesliga that is more or less for sale is Bernd Leno but he is off to Napoli if reports are correct.

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20 Mar 2018 16:15:12
Only one game I know, but in the first leg against Arsenal, Kessie was truly awful. Wouldn't even look good in the Championship type awful. He may be ok otherwise but I am glad he's not a target. These are not the standard of players we should be looking at any longer.

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20 Mar 2018 18:51:22
Kessie is an attacking CM, not a defensive one as Biglia or Montolivo play the DM role at Milan so he would not suit us. Horn was Karius' deputy in the Olympic team in 2016. Not much has changed since then as Horn has gotten worse while Karius is getting better.

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20 Mar 2018 08:44:27
Could anybody who's watched Lewis Cook this season fill me in on how he's getting on? I remember seeing him at leeds and thought he was a great wee player, but wondering if he adjusted to the step up? Does he look good enough for a 'top 6' club now or in the future?


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20 Mar 2018 09:22:56
Decision making is particularly poor. Great first touch, good dribbling skills, puts in the dirty work, crisp passer, but a little bit weak in the challenge (especially in the air) . If he learns when and where to pass he has all the tools to be a top 6 player but he isn't ready just yet. Another season playing regularly will stand him in good stead.

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20 Mar 2018 11:00:02
Cheers Adam! Always can trust your judgement. It was his composure impressed me at Leeds, still young and someone for the future maybe.

Fella at Leeds atm called Ronaldo Vieria, he is a class act.

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20 Mar 2018 12:13:25
You are welcome mate. And thank you. His composure is remarkable for such a young player, but because of how comfortable he is on the ball, he tends to hold on just a touch longer than he needs to, and thus is guilty of over thinking his options.

He was amazing for the England youth team last summer. Definitely one for the future.

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20 Mar 2018 16:43:33
Of the Lewis', I'm more interested in Dunk, personally. Haven't been overly sold on Cook when I've seen him.

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20 Mar 2018 18:53:20
Nah, not impressed with Lewis Cook or any of the Bournmouth players cos they are quite lazy out of possession and are only interested in playing when they actually have the ball esp. in defence where they don't even try to defend nor track runners. He has to do more, IMO.

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Review Of The Day 20th March 2018

20 Mar 2018 04:43:11
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 20th March 2018

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20 Mar 2018 13:41:12
Nice touch in not giving Ash young too much credit ed01!

Very interesting though. I like the way Gareth is picking the form players over the reputations. Ego has been the major factor in England's lack lusta performances in tournaments. That and the media putting pressure on the stars and destroying any player who has a poor game. Still comes down to ego. I know we are a small country but we are a rich country with a great league and some truly great players over the years, is there an England banter page? Any plans on setting one up? Just for world cups and European champ.

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{Ed001's Note - I can't give a player credit for something that he doesn't deserve. If he had been one on one with Salah then he would have been torn a new one and Jose knew it, which is why he had everyone blocking up the space.

Southgate? You mean form players like Livermore who is dross and playing crap? His only strength is as passenger, whether on a team or in a taxi.}

20 Mar 2018 14:27:50
Ed1 I think your the only other person I have heard/ read say that since the united game. All I'm hearing from united fans is how Young had Salah in his pocket, what a load of utter tripe that is. I start to question whether they even watched the game when they say garbage like that.

I'm glad it isn't just me because I thought exactly the same mate and have tried arguing my point yet they say I have sour grapes lol come off it we lost and that's that, it happens but there's no way Young had Salah in his pocket, they was all on him, he couldn't move. One on one Salah would've embarrassed him.

Cheers for the review btw mate.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate. I don't get the obsession with claiming anyone was in anyone's pocket in a game like that. It was blanket defending, no one was left one-on-one to put anyone in their pocket.}

20 Mar 2018 18:59:22
Spot on, Ed. Defend Salah one on one at your team's peril and Jose is no mug. He knew Ash had NO chance vs Salah one on one so he had players double or triple up on him so of course, Salah would be ineffective as he is not Superman. The fans running their mouths about how good Young was, are just either doing some banter or blowing smoke up their own arses.

If you wanna give defenders credit for defending one one one, how about bigging up Robbo who shut down Sterling vs City or Gomez who bar the goal, shut down Sane, both one on one with next to NO help. Or Lovren and Matip holding up for 84 mins vs Aguero and KDB coming at them, in a Klopp system where most of the time, you are defending one on one. Now that should be applauded, IMO.

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19 Mar 2018 11:45:52
Ed, Apart from Salah what do you feel is the most positive thing from our squad this season. For me it's Robertson. He started off with us like he felt he did not belong or good enough to be here. But now he is performing consistantly and his confidence Is growing game by game.

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{Ed0333's Note - The positives I take from this season apart from Leo Salah is the camaraderie the players are exuding. The smiles are genuine, the 3 musketeers are passing to each other at the right time and not being greedy which wasn’t happening earlier on this season. Maybe this is because they know each other’s game now and are bordering on telepathy let’s hope so.

It would be remiss of me to just choose one positive from such a formative and exciting season unraveling before our eyes so I’m adding a few more. I’m really liking the emergence of Joe Gomez I think he’s going to be a beast for us (if he can just get the measure of those long diagonal balls that he misjudges the flight of tho..grrr...) Also praise be to Bobby omg what a player, it seems as if he’s emerged from the shadow of Coutinho and become some extra terrestrial footballer. I would personally polish his dentures for life just to keep him at the football club for another 4 or 5 years he is instrumental to what we are trying to achieve and it’s imperative he stays for a long time.

Finally let’s all hail JURGEN NORBERT KLOPP! This man has made watching my team exciting and pleasurable again. I’m certain we’re on the cusp of something salubrious & magnificent. Klopp will put us back on that friggin perch and we won’t have to keep looking back at those halcyon days, he will have us believing in the now and the honey soaked future. We truly are lucky to have him.

19 Mar 2018 23:30:24
Good read Ed. Particularly agree on the vibe within the squad. I've noticed that players on the bench are celebrating goals with enthusiasm (post Studge), which is a real tell. Agree with Gomez on those diagonal balls also : ( I said a while ago I wouldn't swap Bobby for any other player in the league. Not that there aren't equal or better players, just that he brings something to the way Klopp wants to play that I struggle to see in any other individual. I do have hope for silverware, preferably the league, under Klopp, but just as much I love our style of play. Give me a 3rd place finish and this footy over 2nd and Mou's drab displays any day.

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{Ed0333's Note - Abso-friggin-lately Burkey couldn’t agree more.

19 Mar 2018 23:53:38
Summed it up, Ed 333. Now let's go win the Champions League.

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{Ed0333's Note - Klopp really deserves a Champions League RedLorry.

20 Mar 2018 04:24:18
Two for me:
1 - we lost a very talented and influential player in Coutinho and it hasn't slowed us down.
2 - Oxlade-Chamberlain. Yes, he is still learning and adapting, but he has much more to him than I anticipated.

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20 Mar 2018 08:07:57
I love Klopp and we are truly lucky to have him. We were actually really lucky for when we got him. He could have easily picked any club that had a vacant manager position be it united, psg, chelsea even madrid but he choose us and we were a mess.

But ultimately and historically you are judged on trophies (it is how it is) and i hope for his sake as much as ours that he wins things with Liverpool including the all important premier league title.

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20 Mar 2018 12:48:57
There are a hell of a lot of positives to this season, the way pundits say we CAN lift the ucl being among them but for me, the biggest positive is the way liverpool have learnt to see games out, especially since Xmas and Vvd. Gone are the days of being 2/ 3 up and still biting our nails wondering if we are going to win. February saw us see a few games out from 2 up

The Ox salah vvd and Robertson all highlight what a good recruitment department we have now and I hope people will be less quick to write new signings off like they did with robbo and the ox (and some even salah)

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20 Mar 2018 12:51:59
Great overview ed, love it. 😃.

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{Ed0333's Note - thankyou I appreciate your kind words.

20 Mar 2018 16:40:43
IMO I am happy that teams respect and fear us enough to park the bus. Only city get the same level of respect and it's a testament to how feared our attack is. I think we are a locksmith away from the league.

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20 Mar 2018 19:12:27
Great read, Ed. Agree with all your points. I have always said it even when we struggle at times, that Klopp is the best thing to happen to us since Suarez left. I was shocked that he agreed to take on the job when we were 11th, could not score goals and could not keep them out. In fact, I remember how were about to play Norwich and Villa under BR and I could not tell you if we were going to get a point. We got a point vs Norwich and barely beat Villa. Yeah, that was the level of frustration and lack of hope before Klopp arrived. I agree, it was a heavy lift that season with injuries and squad evaluation BUT above all, Klopp gave us hopew. I remember him saying that it was the thumping we gave City at the Emptyhad (4-1) that he knew something had clicked and that was when he knew our team had figured out his system.

Fast forward till today, and here we are, on the move again. I can sit back and watch LFC play knowing bar a disaster or anomalie, we wiare capable of winning every game we play. We are now that good that for us to lose or draw, we have to screw up or the refs have to play a blinder for the other team, as we have seen several times this season. Klopp has built a team where they go into whatever game they play, not hoping BUT expecting to win. All that, in just two years.

Klopp gives us the BEST chance to win a title of any kind, end of story and mistakes be damned. We are on the verge of something really great and maybe quicker than we know it so let's all get behind the manager and our boys cos they are the ones who have brought hope back to this club and its supporters and tho sometimes, they may screw up, they have been though it all with us and deserve our respect.

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19 Mar 2018 20:27:19
Hi Eds

Regardless of how the season pans out top 4/ Europe do we expect to be targeting the same players in the summer regardless?
Is there to be a big clear out in the summer or a trimming of the squad if we are being polite


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19 Mar 2018 22:47:00
I don’t see the need for a “clear out”.

In fact I think t would be detrimental. A few will leave (as expected) but dramatic changes aren’t needed. The squad is playing well and looks happy.

Add 1 or 2. Lose 1 or 2. Build on what we have which is already very strong 💪🏼.

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19 Mar 2018 23:04:31
It won’t be the same poor Chelsea and Arsenal next season! So if you want to fight for trophies and titles then you need solid reinforcement! I expect Klopp to buy 5 players in the summer. GK, RB, 2 x CM, Attacker.

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19 Mar 2018 23:43:55
Dhfc, did you mean to post this on the Mancs page? :)

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20 Mar 2018 08:11:19
If Karius continues his form then maybe not a gk and a top class centerback to partner VVD. any injury to VVD and we're back to matip/ lovern/ klavan.

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20 Mar 2018 11:31:12
Depends on what you mean by a “clearout” Dhfc.

Markovic, Mignolet, Bogdan, Flanagan and Sturridge are definite outs if buyers can be found. Grujic, Origi and Clyne are all 3rd choice and will most likely want to leave. Can is already leaving, Milner and Klavan are both coming towards the end of their career and will most likely move this season or next depending on incomings. Lallana apparently wants to leave

And then there are the youth players who have the task of breaking into the first team. Woodburn, Ward, Kent, Ejaria, Ojo, Randall, Wilson, Chirivella, Allan and Awoniyi. Most will go back on Loan but I can't see them all wanting to stay at the club and fight for their place in the first team.

So there will be quite a bit of movement out of the club in my opinion.

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20 Mar 2018 12:54:24
The best bit of business we can do this summer is to convince salah to stay for another season.

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20 Mar 2018 16:45:52
Lallana wants to leave? That can only be to spurs surely?

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20 Mar 2018 19:19:01
Harry, Arsenal is finished and will remain finished as long as that dinosaur is still in charge. As for Chelsea, if they get Enrique who is decent BUT not in Conte's class, their shameless board will do the same things they have done to Conte and many before him. to Enrique. And Hazard may not even be there next season as well. City will not stop, neither will Spurs (if they keep Kane) and clearly, we will too. I would not hold my breathe about a GK if Karius keeps going cos remember, Karius is his guy and has always wanted him to be no. 1
and by the way, Ed02 has said Allison (many's preferred choice) is a non starter. Let's go!

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19 Mar 2018 19:40:19
What would red fans prefer liverpool to win next year? Ucl or Pl? .

Call me a little englander but I've waited so long for another league title I'd have to pick the Premier league. Is that crazy?

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{Ed025's Note - its not crazy SS, just a bit premature mate..

19 Mar 2018 19:55:24
A title challenge will be good progress.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree mark, and its not beyond the realms of possibility mate..

19 Mar 2018 20:17:01
A really good solid title challenge would be brilliant. Ed025 all ok mate?

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{Ed025's Note - yeah good thanks barry, everton are safe now so thats a big worry off my mind mate..

19 Mar 2018 21:01:56
Premier league, without a doubt. We've waited long enough.
Ed25 you must allow us to think prematurely, let's not forget who said Everton had closed the gap on Liverpool before the season started 😉.

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{Ed025's Note - i cant remember that far back TIA.. :)

19 Mar 2018 21:15:50
I will pick the League next year as we will have won the CL this year and wining it back to back will be just greedy.

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{Ed025's Note - hmmmm..

19 Mar 2018 21:16:28
We all want the title, it's needed but! give me the CL any day over it.

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19 Mar 2018 21:24:53
Some tube called Keys.

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19 Mar 2018 21:29:14
Ed025 do you think Liverpool have a chance of finishing in the top 4 consistently?

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{Ed025's Note - absolutely barry, it would obviously hinge on keeping your best players and of course the main man mr klopp mate

19 Mar 2018 22:00:53
I think the inclusion of Kieta this Summer will be a huge difference to us.
Genuinely think he’s going to take us on to bigger and better things.

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{Ed0333's Note - I agree Gaza. He’s gonna be a phenom. I don’t think some people realize how good this kid is.

19 Mar 2018 21:59:43
ED25 mate you need to eat 3 almonds early in the morning before taking your breakfast, really good for long and short term memory lost.

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{Ed025's Note - i will forget that by the morning KDK...but thanks anyway mate..

20 Mar 2018 07:12:46
The premier league.

To win the UCL you need an element of luck and the winner is not necessarily the best team.

To win the premier league you have to be the best team.

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20 Mar 2018 08:12:56
Premier league any day. and if we win it and you ask me again I would say premier league.

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20 Mar 2018 09:39:47
The Champions League for me. Even though the quality of the Premier League has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years, the Champions League is simply for the best of the best. Real Madrid and Barcelona have built their global reputation on Champions League and not on what they've been doing in La Liga. But I understand the need to get back up on that perch again in the EPL, for LFC.

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20 Mar 2018 13:09:03
I'm glad Everton are safe ed025, Liverpool deserves at least two premier league teams.

I also said I'd eat my hat if it happened so I'm glad my dog ear hat is safe (I love that hat, my bird bought it me in Prague, on my birthday)

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20 Mar 2018 18:09:04
PL for sure. You could be lucky with the draw in the ECL and win it without having to play Real, Barcelona or PSG. EPL is a different kettle of fish.

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19 Mar 2018 14:52:18
Hi Reds,
With Martial apparently up for sale in the summer I would definitely consider buying the young lad.
He's quick, good finisher, wonderful technique and can definitely fit in any of our front three places.

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19 Mar 2018 15:11:57
we don't do business with man utd so that's that, another player who Maureen has no patience with, could you imagine how rashford, martial and shaw would have got on under klopp?

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19 Mar 2018 15:14:32
Not for me. Average player with pace and a hard shot.

Also doesn't work anywhere near hard enough. He hung Luke Shaw out to dry the other night. Laziest forward I've seen in the prem since Balotelli.

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19 Mar 2018 15:24:36
I understand the rivalry between us and United but at the end of the day I would put my emotions out of it and bag a huge talent like Martial who's basically being wasted and I would imagine he's already desperate to leave the club.
In my opinion the guy could easily do 15 league goals in a club which play to his strengths.

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19 Mar 2018 15:25:27
I'm with you on that MK, he's not good enough for us and never will be, certainly not a player who has ever even come close to impressing me.

We have youngsters capable of more then him, youngsters more hungry to succeed, more passionate about the club then he would ever be, one to definitely leave alone.

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19 Mar 2018 15:42:29
Not really about emotions. United simply won’t deal with us and there’s simply no chance of it happening. Martial is only 22 and I agree he has potential to be a very good player. But we should forget any chance of him realising that potential at Liverpool. Thankfully, he won’t realise that potential under Mourinho either.

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19 Mar 2018 16:49:36
Man instead of buying Martial better play Woodburn, Wilson, Solanke, Brewster, etc. Too much talent.

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19 Mar 2018 16:59:37
Martyial a good finisher? When did that ever happen cos I missed it, clearly. He's been at Utd for the 4th season now and has NOT improved one iota. Martial would not make our bench currently and he is NOTHING like Salah or Mane or even Ox out wide. He is lazy, poor on the ball, a one trick pony and frankly, not good enough. And again, why would we want a player Mou wants shot of? Sorry, we will not be buying Utd's dross anytime soon. Shoot, we don't even want their supposedly "good" players.

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{Ed001's Note - do you not think he is a good finisher then? I think that is his big asset, he is very composed and a goalscorer. It is his touch and technique I think is the problem.}

19 Mar 2018 17:09:57
Are you planning to bench Mane for him then? Doubt he'll join us to be Mane's back up. Can't play across the forward positions either as he's ineffective on the right and isn't intelligent enough to play the Firmino role as back up. We have a far better player for the role already at the club in Mane and I'd rather give Woodburn and Wilson their chances before paying big bucks for Martial.

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19 Mar 2018 17:12:09
why is this even being discussed? No Mancs allowed!

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19 Mar 2018 17:55:18
We'd have to buy him from his next club as we don't trade players with his current club directly 😉.

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19 Mar 2018 17:56:00
I will take Rashford though!

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19 Mar 2018 17:57:02
I think he is a very good and talented footballer under the wrong manager but there is zip chance of him arriving at LFC.

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19 Mar 2018 17:57:09
They should be begging us for our players, not us, them.

He ain't a bad player, of course not and he would no doubt improve under klopp but like Kenny said, we don't do business with them so it's all academic.

He could leave utd then join us from his next club but I doubt it very highly, by the time he has fulfilled another contract he will be what? 26. A little north of the usual age of our recruitment.

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19 Mar 2018 18:00:56
BRover, Mourinho also didn't want Salah and De Bruyne, remind me again how that worked out? I think Martial is a terrific player who would thrive under Klopp, however he wouldn't get in our first 11 right now and would also impeded the progress of the likes of Woodburn, Brewster and Wilson.

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19 Mar 2018 18:10:08
Takes me back to when rafa wanted Gabriel heinze. If I'm not mistaken old whisky nose went to a tribunal to block us from buying him. he was ***** anyway!

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19 Mar 2018 20:26:12
I don’t think we’ll sign him but I’d say he’d be interested.

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19 Mar 2018 21:02:22
Ed, I just don't think he is any better than the guys we have now who actually score more goals, have better touch and technique and are more versatile than Martial is. I just don't think he is any better than our boys, that's all.

Smeg, I disagree. I know Mou is poison to young players BUT that does not remove from the fact that Martial is not good enough to start for us as that is what he would be coming here to do where he to come, something you have agreed to in your post. We are making almost the same point.

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19 Mar 2018 22:56:18
I never really liked martial that much, he has talent but I just never thought he was that good. If we are buying that sort of player I'd rather us target Zaha, that said i have the chat with my brother today. Wouldn't buy anyone for the front 3, they are too good together!

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20 Mar 2018 07:14:45
He’ll succeed at ManU or leave the premier league IMO.

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20 Mar 2018 13:03:56
Is he better than lemar then? I would have thought lemar or draxler is higher up the priority list than martial who united would never sell to us anyway. Pointless discussion.

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19 Mar 2018 14:19:34
{Ed's Note - Jwylde90 has posted a new article entitled, Does Buying World Class Players Actually Work for Manchester United?

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19 Mar 2018 15:21:30
the answer is no, also it don't matter how many "world class" players you buy if your tatics are all wrong, look at sanchez for example at this rate he will make falcoa look like a bargain.

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19 Mar 2018 16:21:01
The difference is that Fergie made those young players great, Jose cannot do that. He buys success and let's be honest it works for him.

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19 Mar 2018 17:04:23
If you can't coach your way put of a paper bag, it won't matter what players you have. People talk about City having world class players BUT forget to mention the good work Pep is doing with them on the training ground. Look at KDB, Sterling, Silva and esp. Sane? Those players were very good when Klopp got them. Look at what they are doing now. Even at that level, Pep is improving them cos what they are doing now, was not what they are doing now. Same with Poch and our Klopp with the players they are improving right before our eyes like Mane, Salah, Bobbie, Karius, Can, VVD, Lallana and the list goes on.

Mou is and will never be interested in improving players anymore since his first Chelsea days where he did good work with Lampard, DD, Cole, the other Cole (Joe) and Terry. He is now a FIULL checkbook manager who blames everyone else for his own failures.

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19 Mar 2018 18:04:14
How is Can improving? What is he doing now that he wasn't doing 2 years ago?

Only one player has improved from when Klopp arrived - Firmino. All the other improvers in the squad have been bought in. From last season's first 11 and the most used subs who has improved or had a better season? Only Firmino. All our other best performing players this season have been bought in Robertson, Salah.

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19 Mar 2018 18:30:14
Mark i'd also argue that lallana improved upon klopps arrival. A lot of us fans were ready for him to move on before last season but then under Klopp he was much closer to the player we thought he could be and finally learnt how to not dilly dally on the ball. But it feels like the first 11 has moved on from him this season.

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19 Mar 2018 18:52:42
This season's first 11 is of course better but who is having a better season.

Lallana was clearly better last season
none of them are having a better season

I think by the start of next season 10 of the starting 11 will be players bought in by Klopp.

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19 Mar 2018 19:16:49
Lallana has improved,
Henderson has improved massively during klopp reign.
The Ox, salah and Robertson have all improved since joining the club. It didn't happen overnight and it didn't happen last year but all three are being highly praised lately and being called "among the best in their positions in the league"
Karius has improved,
Klavan has improved massively.
Firmino has improved massively.
Taa and gomez have improved dramatically.

Basically klopp has shown he is a top notch coach. To say he doesn't improve team is crazy.

As a squad we have improved, last season fighting for 4th, this season 3rd even 2nd although I don't see it. 3rd I think. Wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea nicked 4th from spurs, especially with the hurrikane out.

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19 Mar 2018 19:27:16
Henderson's best season was under Rodgers.

Gomez and Trent didn't play last year.

Klavan I agree but he doesn't play.

Ox, Salah, Robertson are buys.

Who from last years first 11 has kicked on, or had a better season this year? Only Firmino.

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19 Mar 2018 19:31:33
I never said Klopp doesn't improve a team. But The team is better because he has bought good players and used them well. Also Klopp has improved players he has bought in like Robertson.

But try to answer the question - who is having a better season from last seasons first 11?


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19 Mar 2018 19:46:13
Ox salah and Robertson have all improved since joining though and so what if taa and gomez didn't play last year? They have improved enough to play regularly now. I disagree about Hendo and Rodgers I think he is a better player now than he was then.

Maybe I missed the point of the original post but it seems to me it doesn't matter where someone was last season, if they're improved now it must have something to do with klopp.

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19 Mar 2018 19:57:39
It doesn't really matter as long as the team improves, but it is the reason we are not challenging for the title. Also it will be very worrying if the same happens again next year.

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19 Mar 2018 20:05:20
Henderson was better before his injury problems and was good the year we came second. Not a player I rate in his current position. He's better further forward.

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19 Mar 2018 20:38:40
Agreed Hessle a shame about the injuries. Henderson still better than Gini, Can, Miller.

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19 Mar 2018 21:12:42
Mark, what are you on about? Can was everyone's scapegoat including BR's, until Klopp came. He was nowhere near the German setup and now under Klopp, he is on his way to Russia and will get minutes at the WC. Did I also mention that he won the Confed Cup last summer?

Players like Lallana, Lovren, Milner, Hendo (in a diff. position b4 his injuries), Bobbie, Origi (before his nasty injury) and even Moreno. That is a shed load of players I just mentioned right there. And even the good players like Mane, Wiji, Robbo, Salah, Ox, Karius have ALL improved under him.

Now, will some be kept and others let go? Of course. But to say Klopp has not improved players is patently false. And for good measure, Klopp will NOT be doing any huge clear outs in the summer either cos you can't revamp half a squad in one window. Whether that means we will challenge for the title or not, we will see so just chill out and allow the process to play out.

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{Ed025's Note - i stopped reading when you came out with "good players like wiji" brover, hes bloody awful mate and im all for sticking up for your own players but lets keep it real..

19 Mar 2018 21:31:47
Brover you think all our players are great, fair play to you. Germany's second team won the cup and Can was on the bench. IMO he won't play any meaningful games in the World cup.

Going will be

Can because he has been told he will be a squad player
Miller and or Lallana see above
Courtinho already gone
That is the minimum that will leave

thats half a team BRover.

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19 Mar 2018 21:40:27
I don't know how you got past Milner and Lovren have improved.

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{Ed025's Note - i had stopped reading by then mark.. :)

19 Mar 2018 23:00:26
But why didn't Mignolet improve under Klopp! You are way over the top BRover! Yes Klopp has improved players like most other managers! What about Lazar Markovic then? Clyne? Lovren is crap! End of! He has cost us more points than Mignolet!

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{Ed033's Note - You can't be trained into being a top Premier League footballer unless you already have the potential in the first place to be a top Premier League footballer. Mignolet never had the potential to improve anymore.

20 Mar 2018 07:17:18
You can’t just pick out individual players.
I don’t give a stuff about whether individual players are having a good season. Klopp coaches the team, they play as a team and the team is much better than last season.

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20 Mar 2018 13:07:46
Nail on proverbial head Ron!

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19 Mar 2018 12:16:06
Hi Ed001, what's the plan with Pedro Chirivella? Is he seen as good enough? I remember a few years ago, you said he was highly rated in the academy. He seems to be getting regular gametime this season and is putting in some strong performances for his team.

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{Ed001's Note - he is to be assessed in the summer and a decision made.}

19 Mar 2018 14:51:59
Thanks ed, I don't suppose you've seen any of him for a while?

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19 Mar 2018 19:04:39
you need to check out Carra's loan watch. He updates all loan players every week.

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19 Mar 2018 20:20:56
I see his loan updates but i wanted ed's opinion on the lad.

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Is Jose Mourinho doing a good job at Manchester United

19 Mar 2018 12:41:23
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Is Jose Mourinho doing a good job at Manchester United

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19 Mar 2018 15:01:19
I hate Moaninho and I hope he never manages my beloved LFC.

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19 Mar 2018 15:26:27
with the players at his disposal no, however he could still win the fa cup which would be another trophy to add to his personal collection as I get the feeling he couldn't care less about man utd and would be out of there like a shot if psg came calling.

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19 Mar 2018 15:35:09
That was a good read Shappy. If I was a Utd fan I'd want him out immediately, he's poison, sure he can get results but he's not the only man who can do that.

He's an absolute spanner and like you say a bully, I have no respect for people like that and even if I was a united fan i wouldn't care if he won the lot, I wouldn't want him as manager. He has you playing boring football week in week out, he's not as good as some people think.

For you right now, I don't think it's time to sack him but he should definitely be gone come the end of the season, I just don't see that happening, I think you'll be stuck with him for another season or so.

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19 Mar 2018 17:46:41
KK, I would not want that poison of a manager at LFC no matter what second rate trophy (his words, not mine) he wins. He is simply a cancer wherever he goes now and tho he'll win a trophy here and there, I would gladly not have him anywhere near LFC cos the Trump-like baggage he brings is poison and causes destruction wherever he goes and after all types of turbulence at this club for the past decade, I would just like a period where we all go out, cheer our team with no drama post game.

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19 Mar 2018 19:29:12
I remember when he first came to the premiership he was like a breath of fresh air, he was funny and aragont but his style of football was good and exciting. But he has gone to big clubs with extensive buying power, Chelsea spent over £300m in his first term then Real, spent £200m in his first year got run out of Real then Inter, £150m in his first year left for Chelsea again spent £200m got run out again now utd. £350m since he joined them played some of the most boring football I have seen in years. He has a squad that should be challenging for every honour in the game but stiffles the players, won't let them play to their strengths and then when thing don't go his way he bullies players and then has a major rant. Blame everybody else except him self. Thank God we went for rafa in 2005 instead of mourino, would want him any where near our club, by the way good read shappy.

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19 Mar 2018 21:16:35
Deisered, spot on. Rafa's time had run it's course and Rick Parry has committed a lot of sins during his time at LFC BUT I will be forever grateful for not letting that classless, poisonous bully at the Toilet, anywhere near our club at the time.

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19 Mar 2018 21:34:25
Nice read shappy but feel like I need to pick up a couple of points.

You seem to think lesser clubs like us and and spurs are happy to play nice football and not win, crap we want to win every year if you win with style even better but winning is what it's all about i would take any type of league win no matter the style.

It's only when your not winning that style becomes important hence utds fansobsession with Liverpool style under klopp and utds lack of style under jose, remember there was a time when we looked at Utd with that slightly patronising look so don't bother go ing down that road.

Second i could go through your whole team but i won't just a couple all I hear is what klopp or pep would do the your players lukaku being the main one how much he could score.

Lukaku wouldn't get within a mile of a klopp or pep team he has not the movement technical ability or tactical awareness to play for either manager i laugh when i think of the damage he would do to either front three.

He has a manager that plays quick long ball to the front at Utd that's his strength flick one hold up play for the runners. he's with a manager who should be able to get the best out of him already, and in no way would he thrive under either manager. look how klopp handled benteke.

Will just touch on pobga your greatest manager let him go without a second thought, maybe the best manager of all time could see he hasn't the right attitude or mentality to play at the top. this cannot be coached its why Fergie let him go would he do any better under klopp or pep maybe he wouldn't sulk as much under them, as they would use him better but would doubt if his work rate would get him a game with either manager. both managers are not big fans of players with less than a top work ethic.

I won't go as most of the players that jose has bought are not really the type either manager would target because of totally contrasting styles if football.

And just for fun the one player that pep did want showed for all his talk of wanting to win medals he went for the money, take a bow mr sanchez that was a surprise but i betcha peps's not losing much sleep over that now.

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19 Mar 2018 23:13:26
Mourinho isn't the same guy he was 12 years ago, he's become much more cynical. But what everyone is overlooking is that Utd are having, by a margin, their best season since Ferguson left. Utd fans want their cake and to eat it, he's improved the team, he's improved results but everyone's upset because he's done it the 'wrong' way. I think Utd would be crazy to ask Mourinho at the moment.

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20 Mar 2018 07:20:25
I hope he’s runner up in league and FA cup as that will convince the board to keep him on for his proper melt-down season - 3 😄.

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