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29 May 2017 11:45:31
G'Day eds

Firstly cheers for all the work you do keeping us informed and answering questions.

Mine is, with Bernado Silva going to City, will this effect Monaco's willingness to allow other players such as Mendy and Pereira to go? Can't imagine they'd want to lose the best parts of their squad in one swoop.

My second question is are we looking for a 'proper' CDM on top of Keita (who is not really a CDM) if so, who has been looked at? And what would those two signings mean for the likes of Emre Can?

Thanks again.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, no, not relevant to Can.}

29 May 2017 13:30:17
Periera doesn't play for Monaco.

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28 May 2017 13:12:23
Ed25 bit of banter for ya. U have been on here a bit warning us to be worried about how you lot are going to overtake us etc due to the millions you have and you seem like an optimistic guy with Walsh and kidnap giving you hope but my word I would be worried by some of the rumours. Seems to be interest in Martino as a back up. Not going to move u forward in my view and u have after Trent the next best right back of that age in Kenny. Keeper wise Hart will not improve you . Pickford maybe slightly. Cb Williams and jag too slow funes mori no good. U ain't getting koulibaly or van dijk. Centre mid is where u guys are strong as I like guyue Davies and scnide. Barkley and lukaku look like going and although I don't believe either is world class they are best u have. Rooney will not come to sit on the bench and he's not top six standard any more. Deeney? . My point is it's going to be difficult to attract players to improve you enough without cl and all the teams above will strengthen as well. Plus if you lose lukakus goals you need someone to come in and hit the ground running. thoughts please.

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{Ed025's Note - you make some good points updaduff but i never said it would be easy, what we do have is the building blocks in place to become successful, we have a proven DOF in steve walsh and a top manager in koeman who are backed by a billionaire owner in the form of farhad moshiri who all have the same goal to make everton great again, now i realize that FFP means this wont be achieved in one fell swoop and that the bigger players will be looking for CL football but its up to us to convince them to buy into this project, we have some great young players coming through as well and that bodes well for the future so all i can say is be afraid..be very afraid there is a sleeping giant being awoken in this city mate.. :)

29 May 2017 10:05:17
Personally hope Everton do really well. I'd rather Liverpool and Everton be in the top 4 than plastics from London.

Everton have a lot of good young players. Holgate, Davies, Lookman and Calvert-Lewin are a few good examples. Add that to Gueye and Williams who provide a bit of steel at the heart of the team, Coleman and Baines who are still one of the best sets of full/ wing backs in the league, and I think they have a good platform to challenge to break into the top 6 club this coming season.

Lukaku and Barkley are, in my opinion, vastly over rated. Lukaku is a flat track bully who just inflates his statistics with hoards of goals against weak teams. He will never win you a title because he goes missing in big games. Barkley is just massively over rated. He is always lucky to stay on the pitch when I see him play, thinks he is better than he is, and has very little to his game other than a good set piece/ final pass. He is a poor mans Ozil/ Fabregas. He never tries to turn a game in his teams favour because he expects others to do that for him. The difference is he is nowhere near as gifted as them, and he also loses his head when he gets isolated and starts trying to hurt people.

Everton have better players in their title winning u23's than Barkley, and for the money Lukaku will rake in he won't be hard to replace with a more complete player.

It will be tough to get into the top 6 now, but Everton are the only club with a chance of doing i and I hope they do.

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{Ed025's Note - cheers MK, i reckon your right on ross but the goal tally from rom will make him very hard to replace, saying that over the years liverpool over the years have dealt with losing irreplaceable players like keegan, rush, torres and suarez and still moved on so it can be done mate..

29 May 2017 10:30:53
Well i have to say i hope they falter. Reality is that its hard enough to get into top 4 spots and the plastics from London or the teams from Manchester are not going to fade any time soon. So it might be a nice wee fantasy to have Liverpool and Everton ruling the roost like way back in the 80's but fact is it will make it more difficult for LFC if Everton ever do get their act together.

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29 May 2017 10:34:12
Exactly Ed, strikers are generally one of the easiest positions to change. There are exceptions where it can take a few years to recover, but in general I'd rather lose my striker than my midfield general or my centre back rock.

Everyone lost their heads when we lost Owen, Torres and then Suarez. Yet last time I checked we were one of the top scoring teams last year because we have shuffled the pack and put in players who link up well and share the load. We had a dip the immediate seasons after Torres and Suarez but with all due respect to Lukaku, he is not in their league.

I genuinely could not tell you who Evertons first choice wide players were last season though. Koeman clearly didn't trust the senior players in his squad. However I think Lookman is ready now, and if you use the Lukaku money to get in a more complete striker and a decent wide forward to replace Mirallas, you will be a better overall team, even if their is nobody to score 25 goals on their own.

I'm with you mate. Exciting times ahead for Everton. Hopefully you can improve enough to go from being the second best team in Liverpool, to being the second best team in England ;)

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{Ed025's Note - it would be great to get back to the heady days of the 80,s MK when this city ruled the domestic football scene mate..

29 May 2017 11:17:59
See what you're saying Rover, but if we focus on our own game we are good enough regardless.

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29 May 2017 12:11:19
I think it's ironic that the FFP rules actually make it harder for teams to compete with the top clubs. Before they were introduced a club could get themselves a rich owner and dream of actually challenging for major honours - Chelsea the perfect example - and the required signings for such a challenge. Now, because of FFP, the clubs at the top making the most money are protected from this phenomenon which means only those clubs making a ton of money (clubs who are successful, in the CL - in the UK clubs who have already been benefiting from Sky money and CL money for many, many years) can offer the wages top players demand. I think it's sad that FFP is actually widening the gap rather than closing it - I understand why FFP was introduced but I honestly don't think it is actually help close the gap between the rich and the rest.

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{Ed001's Note - why is it ironic? They were brought in to protect the top club's from exactly that sort of thing happening.}

29 May 2017 15:53:27
Haha so ffp protects top clubs from being challenged, but somehow they themselves find ways to circumnavigate the rules. Life is so fair. 😊.

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29 May 2017 15:34:26
Ed025 personally I think everyone could do worse than look at iheanacho if you did get Rooney potentially I could see that as a decent partnership quite frankly do you have a preference out of possibilities to replace Barkley/ lukaku.

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{Ed025's Note - i like iheanacho shane but im not sure he could do the job of a lone CF mate, my personal preference is for arnautovic of stoke who i feel with better service would do very well, i am indifferent about ross and dont mind one way or the other if he stays or goes as i think he is overrated, i would like sigurdsson myself and i know we are interested in him..

29 May 2017 09:35:12
So the Liverpool propaganda machine is in full swing again . Press release after press release . And alit of fans fall for it . The "we tried " to sign this guy and that guy . I've never known any other club to peddle stuff to the media like Liverpool . We won't be getting Keita or vvd . And I'll hold my breath on the war chest that's available. Same soup reheated like every year . I don't mind who we sign as such as they will be good players . As we saw wit mane, but the endless drivel leaked onto media outlets and twitter pipe blowers is rediculous.

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29 May 2017 10:20:35
As far as I can see city are the only club to have signed anyone and havnt seen any media saying we tried to sign him, or their impending goalkeeper, so what ya on about? Chill what will be will be😁.

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29 May 2017 12:44:11
I don't think he's referring to that fact that we haven't signed anyone, he's referring to the fact that twitter and media outlets are banging the drum on just about every single player for Liverpool.

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29 May 2017 12:46:57
To be fair I think it's more a case of journo's making up loads of rumours to sell their paper/ get clicks rather than Liverpool leaking info to the press. Over the past few years Liverpool have gotten better at keeping quiet about this stuff, there was a time a few years back where every player we bid for you'd know about it like a week in advance and it was ruining deals.

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{Ed002's Note - You will find that "journos" (it is a simple plural, you don't need the apostophe) will not be making up stories but will use often questionable blogs and the like (e.g. Italian and Spanish web sites are prime) as the basis of what they write. The trouble is that football fans are like lemmings when the see "Liverpool on Red Alert for ..." and then within 20 minutes it becomes "... has agreed to join Liverpool this summer".}

29 May 2017 14:13:28
Couldn't careless, it's a team game, there are plenty of decent players out there. Names mean nothing to me.

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29 May 2017 08:49:30
Hi chaps
I need to get this off my chest but I need to know am I the only person that fumes when I read articles in the papers where Owen is referred to as a Liverpool legend? Did I miss something but in my humble opinion Liverpool should have no affiliation with him . He is a manc in my eyes just jumps on the LFC bandwagon when it suits him . Be interesting to hear the opinion of the rest of you guys.

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29 May 2017 09:22:21
Could have been an LFC legend should be the phrase used.

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29 May 2017 09:24:44
Personally hate him for shoving fowler out the door, then he joined united.

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29 May 2017 09:25:04
People need to learn to view things objectively.

Owen played for us for half a decade and scored over 100 goals. He is the only English player to win the Balon D'or and he won that in a Liverpool shirt, won us cup finals single handedly and helped lead us to a treble.

Yes, he walked out on us and has been a complete tool ever since. That surely doesn't just delete his history in our shirt though? As a man he was a nasty, manipulative, self absorbed con artist who ripped off our youth players. I get that, but he is also one of the best players we've had in the Premier League era.

Roy Keane was a nasty piece of work as well who openly admitted to trying to and successfully ending someone's career, and ever since retiring has just tried to drag Man United down with vitriol and vengeful comments. Don't tell me he isn't a United legend though.

Unfortunately, some legends go off the rails and have some dirty secrets we don't always hear about. That does not erase their achievements for their clubs.

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{Ed001's Note - he never won anything singlehandedly and helped to destroy a lot of careers. I couldn't care less what other clubs think of their vermin former players, Owen is vermin and should be nowhere near the club.}

29 May 2017 09:01:14
Totally agree with you. If we need someone to represent LFC there are thousand other ex players who love and respect LFC better than Owen. He will never be a legend in my eyes.

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29 May 2017 09:34:15
Agree with the Ed and OP here!

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29 May 2017 09:49:22
I don't disagree with that Ed. I think he is a terrible ambassador, but you also cannot really blame the media for calling him a legend when he was at the club for the best years of his career, which also coincide with our most success (in terms of silverware) in the last 20 years.

They are judging the player, not the man. Gerrard and Carragher weren't exactly Saints with their little bully squad or scouse mafia if that's what they prefer to call it. People wouldn't hesitate to call them legends though. They bullied a lot of players which is basically what Owen was doing, but to a lesser extent. Obviously Owen was more vindictive in his actions and turned traitor, but I think if you step back and detach emotion from the discussion (like non-LFC pundits will be doing) then it's hard to argue he isn't a legend. He was definitely the player who won us the final against Arsenal. That was just as single handedly as Gerrard in 2006 which nobody begrudges him.

I really do agree about Owens antics though and I want him nowhere near the club in any role. Especially an ambassador. That is almost laughable. But what Owen did for us on the pitch was incredible and the people who don't know or care about his antics behind the scenes, cannot really be blamed for having him down as a Liverpool legend. That's all I'm trying to explain mate.

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29 May 2017 10:24:38
Owen left under a massive cloud. We got £8 million for him and then he plays for United? He isn't even close to being a legend. I wouldn't cross the street to shake his hand.

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29 May 2017 10:46:39
If keane had come to us instead of celtic. He would be nowhere bear united.

He joined united and is now our global amabassador. What about agger? Rejected barcalona in thier pomp for us has YNWA tatooed on him. Never wanted to leave. that's an ambassador.

Just let that sink in for a second.

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29 May 2017 14:15:20
Kenny is an ambassador, all the others are pretenders.

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29 May 2017 14:30:12
Poor comparison between Owen and Keanue.

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29 May 2017 07:21:58
remembering the 39 fans who lost their lives at Heysel.

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{Ed001's Note - well said. R.I.P.}

28 May 2017 20:31:44
Why do all of our players have to make daft comments all the time?

Lallana is the pro at it, but now Mignolet is shooting his mouth off about turning points in his Liverpool career.

For the love of Fowler, you have had 6 good months mate. Let your game do the talking and stop spouting off!

I was so pleased at how he had quietly gone about his business and so rapidly upped his game. Now it just looks like it has gone straight to his head and he has lost focus again. Really disappointed.

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28 May 2017 21:55:12
I think if they adhere to an interview, and get asked a question, most peopl are going to respond to it.

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28 May 2017 22:35:50
Because they're not very bright.

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28 May 2017 23:24:02
I'm sure I've read somewhere that Mignolet is actually very intelligent Ron.

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28 May 2017 23:25:04
As long as it doesn't make the club look bad and/ or negatively affect perfomances, I couldn't care less what they say in unimportant interviews.

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29 May 2017 07:29:18
I thought it was a frank and honest interview. I don't see the problem at all. Fair play to mignolet, he derserves credit for his performances.

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29 May 2017 07:52:49
seriously, its an end of season interview where he was asked how his performances went. He simply explains what improved and when. You need to lighten up!

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29 May 2017 09:31:48
If he was asked how his season went all he needs to say was that he was still trying to improve every day.

Not this nonsense about turning points, bringing up Casillas and Neuer, slagging off the managers decision to drop him "for no reason" earlier in the season and how that made him "angry".

If you can't keep a level head, here is a bright idea, don't do interviews! You know you'll get loaded questions when you walk into it. Doesn't mean you have to lose your head!

This is exactly the problem our players have, they go way overboard in praising themselves and each other and therefore don't focus on their actual job which they are paid handsomely for. Maybe some people are happy with players publically calling out their bosses decisions in a self absorbed "I told you so" interview, but I am not.

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28 May 2017 20:07:31
Eds, do u realistically think Kieta will join, or will Leipzig not be willing to sell!
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - They would need to be persuaded - they told another club who asked that they did not wish to sell.}

28 May 2017 19:28:31
Given that we are going to be awarded around 148.1 Mil from the FA, and that at least another 50 Mil will come in from sales (Sakho, Markovic, Wisdom and other loanees), it brings incoming funds to around 200 Mil. My point is that the figure of a budget limit of 100 Mil being bandied about here is way off and people should not be surprised if we end up spending around 200 Mil. Klopp will definitely be more ambitious with his targets than he has been in the past. And not only because of the money being available but because the pressure is on to show tangible, durable results (Titles and trophies) . People are right when they say we are going to see a very crazy summer with huge numbers being spent. Guardiola will wipe the slate almost clean, and start over. Moanrinho will spend like crazy because that's the only thing he's good at. And Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal will not simply sit and watch.

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28 May 2017 21:00:14
The club doesn't run for free, it's has to pay the plAyers, staff, the debt owed etc etc. What fans pay for tickets and shirts will not cover all of this. We also have to work within finances so not all that money is made available for transfers.

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28 May 2017 21:29:54
Correct. That's why I didn't include income from tickets sold at games and the commercial deals and endorsements in place. These two alone provide 160 Mil per year (at least) . So you think that's not enough to service the debt and pay employee salaries and all other expenses? You know more than me.

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28 May 2017 21:56:31
Do you think football clubs are ran on the basis to invest all revenue into the transfer market? No wonder eds don't like talking about finances.

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28 May 2017 23:31:27
Last season player wages for Liverpool where £152m and it's probably more now the way footballers wages are going, so there's your £148m prize money gone right there. Fans need to stop worrying about the cost of footballers imo, it's absurd. You wouldn't brag about paying two or three times what it's worth for a house yet football fans aren't happy unless the club they support are paying £30+ for a player regardless or if he's worth it or not. We spent very sensibly last summer imo and all the signings worked out pretty much (klavan's ok as cover) so I'd be happy with another similar summer this year. We seem to have a good squad harmony atm and signing 5-6 big ego mercenaries just to keep fans happy could ruin that.

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28 May 2017 18:38:14
Hi eds n reds

Seeing reports we have agreed a fee in the region of £45m for Kieta. have you heard anything.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of RBL accepting any offer.}

28 May 2017 18:56:15
Cheers ed002 for the quick reply.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome - certainly as of Friday they had been speaking with two representatives but had not approached RBL.}

28 May 2017 20:21:02
Seems as though efforts are being made at least. cheers ed002.

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28 May 2017 16:22:05
Looking into this transfer window if we don't sign a quaility right back to replace Clyne we'll have missed a big opportunity to further improve the back line and our play. We can buy a striker, another midfielder etc but I definitely don't think it will make as big a difference as replacing clyne. We need a quaility right back that is a solid defender and can exploit the space down the wing.
Right back I hope is a priority. Likewise a left back to compete or add cover for Milner.

I personally don't want a striker. I don't see the need nor likelihood of buying a striker that's an improvement on what we have. Origi is still only 21 I believe? And is excellent. His decision making needs to improve but he's young and quaility. A fit and firing Sturridge as I said a few years ago is the best natural central striker in the world imo. I'm still not sure whether he's lost pace however he's still top class as proven with the last few games he was involved In. Also him and origi together were excellent.
Firminho. Nothing really to say. Brilliant player. Only frustration is for all his ability you'd expect him to score far more goals. Here's hoping that changes next season. We also still have Ings to return.

Midfield wise. I would let two midfielders go and bring in a top class one that is a real improvement in the first team. Keita imo would be ideal and a fantastic signing if it's likely to happen at all.
I think lucas may be on his way and Cans future is still uncertain. Wijnaldum I'm still not a big fan of but there's no doubt he has a fantastic engine and attitude. Henderson is our captain. He's going nowhere. Grujic hopefully gets more game time next season.

In defence I would like us to sign three players but it's highly unlikely. A centre back. Right back and left back. Lovren is hot or cold. Completely unreliable but it looks like he is going nowhere. Hopefully he improves in his decision making next season and is significantly less rash and reckless

Lastly our goalkeeping situation. I hope Karius is going to be our no1 goalkeeper and pre season will be a warm up for him. He looked excellent when he was first put in then made a few mistakes and was taken out. His distribution was excellent. In comparison to Mignolwts which is non existent. He's young and will make the odd mistake as had de gea but in Karius I truly believe we have a top class keeper.

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28 May 2017 17:05:38
Some fair points Big Al. However I would say two things:

1. Gini was our player with the most assists last season. On top of that, he scored some big and importantly decisive goals last year (City and Middlesbrough come to mind, I know there's a few more too) . Would you not agree he had a good season?

2. Mignolet after Xmas was very good in net. He's had a tough time over the last few seasons but the 2nd half of this season he was brilliant. After working with the coaching team on being stronger when collecting crosses we saw a notable increase in performance here. Does he not deserve to hold his place?

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28 May 2017 17:53:11
Puzzled he made some solid saves but that's what I expect from a premier league keeper. It's been made more of because of the standard we're used to from Mignolwt. I think he was solid but Karius is and has to be our future IMO mate. Especially our play. Mignolwts distribution has never improved and is truly awful.

On wijnaldum. I watch the game and players performances. Stats especially assists mean very little to me. A player can a terrible game and can make a six yard pass for an "assist".
I've been very honest concerning wijnaldum mate. He performed better than I expected since he signed but him and Lallana are by no means starters next season if everyone's fit and we buy another midfielder especially keita or close to that quaility and Henderson returns. Wijnaldum has plenty of ability. He just doesn't impose himself enough on games imo hence why I call him a ghost at times. However I think he's a great player to have in the squad. Likewise Lallana.
Many will disagree. Everyone has been differing opinions.

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28 May 2017 18:01:50
Some of the best midfielders come up with big moments witch gini does also at times u don't notice him because he is doing al the unselfish stuff keeping everything ticking over. He has been are best midfielder by far this year.

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28 May 2017 20:59:49
Lallana is one of the first names on the team sheet when he's fit.

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28 May 2017 21:09:35
Mignolet's distribution has improved mate, along with everything else in his game. I suppose you have conveniently forgotten Karius kicking a goalkick straight out for a corner. Probably hard to remember that with all his other mistakes.

Mignolet will start next season as No 1. I have a £10 charity bet with one of the EDS to that effect.

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28 May 2017 21:22:14
Strong points, Big Al but as Puzzled said, Wiji (which you are no fan of regardless) has been great for us and was there to be counted when we were at our lowest with goals vs Chelsea, Arsenal and Burnley (a game where we were in dire straits) . The GK situation is less of an issue and I agree that Karius should never have been pulled cos Migs had been a disaster for three years so Klopp was right to replace him, period.

I will agree that he has improved but this summer they will both go in with equal opp. to fight for the job so may the best man win. I do agree with you that Clyne needs to go, end of. He is awful in all facets of the RB position and it is good to know that Klopp is looking at Ricardo Perreira from Porto, who is light years ahead of any of our FB's as he can play both LB and RB seamlessly. Hopefully, we get him.

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29 May 2017 03:37:25
not sure i agree about Karius though? I think he could maybe be a top keeper but i thought he looked really out of place in most his games.
Not surprising though to be fair, with new team and country to boot.

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29 May 2017 07:20:39
He's not new to the country Gareth, but he still needs time to acclimatise to the club and the physicality of the premier league.
I thought he looked fine in every area apart from crosses. That dented his confidence.
By all accounts he's been working hard on his game. Good on him, what happened last season is history, he starts with a clean slate 👍.

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