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17 Jan 2018 12:42:53
MK - if you have time can you write something on Lemar? I watched him last night and I wasn't impressed at all. He looks tiny like a small boy playing mens football.

He moved the ball quickly forward but he never ran forward. He didn't cross it he just passed it back to others to cross. He never tried to dribble passed anyone and doesn't look as quick as I expected. When Monaco were going for a goal in the last 15 minutes he just hanged back and left it to others. I was very disappointed. Thanks in advance.

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17 Jan 2018 12:53:15
It's started already.

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17 Jan 2018 13:10:31
And BOOM goes the dynamite, Hijkle.

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17 Jan 2018 13:29:23
did The first goal not come from one of his crosses?

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17 Jan 2018 13:41:42
Generally speaking, small players never become world class 👍

😉.

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17 Jan 2018 13:45:49
Sounds like he has just had a bad game mate. I can do an in depth profile though, sure. He is inconsistent though and he can go missing at times. That's part and parcel of being a young player, really.

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17 Jan 2018 14:15:37
I have also believed him to be incredibly overrated. I would much prefer to see Martins come in personally.

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{Ed002's Note - The play in different positions Steve.}

17 Jan 2018 14:37:30
I know Ed but it seems we would be unlikely to spend the money for both players since both asking for crazy cash, so given the choice I would take Martins all day long.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no asking price for Lemar and right now he is not for sale. If someone were to offer a ridiculous amount of money then Emanalo might reconsider. Gelso Martins is for sale and there is plenty of interest.}

17 Jan 2018 14:41:03
Cheers Mk. I didn't say we shouldn't sign him or consider him. Just that it was the first time I had seen him and was not impressed at all in that game.

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17 Jan 2018 14:43:50
Markp08
Why don't you continue to watch him yourself and make your own opinion? Therefore you will find out if he is the player you think he is!

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17 Jan 2018 15:23:05
I am just busy. Don't have time to watch loads of games. Familty, work etc what about you?

If MK can't do it no probs. I wish I had never fecking asked. There are some idiots on here.

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17 Jan 2018 12:06:07
Ed. just looking at possible feasible links to LFC for the Start of the new season as there are still areas I think we are weak. Any thoughts on targets.

Firmino / ?
Salah / Lallana
Mane / MARTINS

Can / Ox
Keita / Wijnaldum
GOERTZA / Henderson

Robertson / SESSEGNON
Van Djik / Gomez
DE VRIJ / Matip
? / Alexander-Arnold

ALLISON / Karius

£140m would go a long way to cover linked January moves for GK-RW-CM but any summer news. Who you think Klopp will chase to slot in to CB-RB-LB.

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{Ed002's Note - At the asking price Martins would be a replacement for Salah or perhaps Mane - not a reserve. Goretzka will be moving to Bayern Munich. Sessegnon is not joining Liverpool. You can forget De Vrij and Alisson is possible depending what happens at another club.}

17 Jan 2018 13:05:36
I highly doubt Martins or any other winger could even score half of what Salah has been scoring for us! We can’t let this players wanting to carry on. We must keep Salah at any cost as well the other two and add players that will take the pressure of them and give them rest when required!

Goretzka is off to Bayern hence the new development in Can’s contract situation. Let’s be honest a replacement for Can would cost us close to £50 mill and the club would be stupid to splash when they could tie down Can for a new contract.
I don’t think Kieta is a replacement for Can. He is an additon and if anyone, it would be Hendo who will move to bench!

Left back wouldn’t be a priority but I think we might buy a new RB in the summer.
Can is looking excellent atm. He is a £50 mil player tomorrow. We won’t do another Suso here!

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17 Jan 2018 13:12:23
Martins will cost a shed load of money for a back up so that is a non starter, Goreztka is off to Bayern and that is not news either. Sessegnon was a no go from jump too and if something can be done, Can needs to be kept.

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17 Jan 2018 13:45:02
Gelson does look a bit special though. Would be amazing to rotate with the front 3 but i guess no chance.

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17 Jan 2018 14:17:05
Martins should start ahead of Mane in my opinion. At least until Mane recovers his pace and agility from last season.

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17 Jan 2018 16:32:47
Is the club that are in for Allison PSG Ed? By you saying dependent on another club I'm assuming their position/ spending power would make them the players preferred destination? I know you haven't sat down and had a coffee with him to ask like. or maybe you have. Flat White kind of man, Latte or?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, PSG do have an interest and poentially Real Madid may do if things don't go their way in the summer.}

17 Jan 2018 09:55:55
Do you guys remember back in 13/ 14 when LFC hired Dr Steve Peters as a mental coach? I got the impression he helped a lot of players sort their minds out and handle the pressure a lot better. After he quit the job i get the impression that for every year that goes by this problem is getting more and more vital again. I think for sure our goalkeepers and most of the backline could use a mental coach. But i don't have inside information, so i can't say for sure how this matter is dealt with in the staff. Can any of you Eds share some light on this?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't actually know if there is anyone specific dealing with this area sorry.}

17 Jan 2018 12:08:12
Coming from Grobelaar it’s a great question.

Personally while I think it’s a key aspect of the game, Klopp has done a great deal for the belief of the players simply by showing faith in them and acknowledging that mistakes are made and the answer is development and training, not always transfers. Also with a clearly defined style of play, it’s increasingly obvious they now trust the system and each other to execute.

The one remaining issue is defensively Aa.

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17 Jan 2018 12:12:38
Sorry sent before finishing.

I think the defence is still the exception, especially when we’re at risk of giving away a lead as we’ve capitulated so many times before and that leaves scars, but with VVD in now, and Karius (and perhaps a top keeper in the summer) to improve communication and organisation, I feel we will get better there too. The sides certainly plays with a better balance between defence and attack which helps and slowly you can feel the defence panicking less and less often when under pressure IMO.

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17 Jan 2018 12:47:40
The way Klopp jumps around the sideline sometimes I think they have a mental coach! But in a good way 😁.

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17 Jan 2018 12:55:14
I actually was thinking this a little while back, it seemed like a pioneering move that really worked for us and I'm surprised we didn't seem to continue it and other clubs haven't really picked it up - especially with the slightly increased concerns about mental welfare in sports.

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17 Jan 2018 11:31:20
Ed002. If player X is on £100,000 a week at club Y with say 2 years left on his deal. Say they want him sold to club Z because he doesn't play and is costing them too much. But club Z only offer player X say £70,000 a week, does club Y pay the player the £30,000 downfall for the next two years?

I'm sort of thinking Mkhitryan being forced to take a wage cut if he does indeed move to arsenal for the swap.

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{Ed002's Note - No, that would rarely happen. Henrikh Mkhitaryan would not need to take a drop in wages if he were to join Arsenal. If were to go to another interested side then perhaps, but MU would not be paying the difference.}

17 Jan 2018 12:11:16
I’ve often thought this aswell Benny but in a slightly different way or wording.
If a club want to sell player X cos a team is offering an amount that they’re happy with and he isn’t playing much, but the player doesn’t ask for a transfer or hand in a request, I know they get 5% of the transfer fee but does the remaining wage on their contract have to be paid by the club to them and is this something that the selling club would just add into his transfer fee to the buying club? Can Ed02 shed any light on that? Is it the same answer as to Benny question?

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{Ed002's Note - No, the remaining wage does not get paid to them.}

17 Jan 2018 12:16:42
Thanks Ed, and thank god for that otherwise someone like Robbie Keane would have racked up some amount of money purely by being transferred every second season 😂.

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17 Jan 2018 12:19:45
Ah that would explain why it's so hard to move on surplus players on big wages.
May I ask your opinion on what seems to be liverpools new stance on contracts, in that firmino is on a relatively "low" basic salary, with the reported ( maybe false ) 30/ 40k goal bonus. Do you personally like this strategy performance related benefits? Or am I miles away from the truth.
Thanks a lot.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not a new stance it was simply an agreement reached with Firmino's agent when he joined. It is not a strategy Liverpool are following.}

17 Jan 2018 12:33:55
I don’t like th sound of that strategy myself, feel like surely it could make a player more Greedy and not set up simple goals for others as they will take the chance on themselves if it’s going to get them 30/ 40k! Thankfully firmino is one player who doesn’t suffer from this problem but I could see it causing problems with some other type of characters.

I know players get paid a lot but the amount isn’t relative when you put it like this, if they show up to work each day for training, meetings, gym work, bonding, matches, etc. they should get their wage, goals for a striker should just be a given like defending for a centre back should be a given.

Just my opinion anyway.

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17 Jan 2018 16:32:46
Aquilani had a portion of his contract paid out when we moved him on.

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17 Jan 2018 00:06:44
Hello all this none stop of people saying Masch is coming back and the mascara hint off wonder dog people think is him can anyone settle it that surly we can't be after a 33 year old to play for us who already left us thankyou for any help.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anyone suggesting he is going back to Liverpool.}

17 Jan 2018 12:04:13
Thankyou and thank God.

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17 Jan 2018 13:13:57
Neither am I, Ed BUT good to know he is not coming back and frankly, he is old news hence, there is a deal in place for him to go to China, I think.

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17 Jan 2018 11:01:30
Mohamed Salah in 2017/ 2018 PL season so far

22 games played (76.5 minutes pr. game)
18 goals (1st) (a goal every 93 minutes)
7 assists (2nd) (Directly involved in 25 goals in 1683 minutes)
6 2nd assists (3rd) (The pass before the assist)
44 shots on target (1st) out of 71 shots (61.97 %)
35 chances created (1st) (11 big chances created)
55 dribbles completed (1st) (67.33 % sucssess rate)
81 duels won (41.26 %)
14 big chances missed (Ranked 3rd After Morata and Aguero)

Has he had the best start to any new signing i recent memory?

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17 Jan 2018 11:10:50
Would you swap him for any player in the world? I wouldn't.

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17 Jan 2018 11:16:36
Torres scored 24 league goals in his 1st season. If I'm not wrong, it still is the record for a foreign player in his debut season.

Barring any dips in form or long-term injury lay-offs, Salah is on course to breaking that record.

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17 Jan 2018 11:25:18
MK, I'll go one better. I would not swap him for Lionel Messi. Why? The 25 year old Messi no longer exists (he's 31). The 25 year old Salah (who is not even in his prime yet) exists and plays for us. SALAH ALL DAY!

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17 Jan 2018 11:26:01
No chance MK Scouser no chance, a very a very unique player.

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17 Jan 2018 11:27:02
Neither would I MK. Not anybody.

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17 Jan 2018 11:33:42
Big shout BRover, but i think any open minded person who took a step back and looked at the debate with perspective, would struggle to argue against you. Messi has been in decline for a couple of years now. I mean, when your starting point is 90 goals a calendar year, it takes a good 5 years of decline at least before you are no longer world class! However, Salah is on the rise. Could he potentially be one of the next great footballers of his generation? Be nice if the game shifted away from Spanish football being the be all and end all. Once upon a time, Liverpool were the super power. "Dare to Dream" 😂.

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{Ed025's Note - they were a super power MK but that was many many moons ago, you need to walk before you can run and although liverpool are on the rise they are still nowhere near the big boys, it can happen of course but at the moment you are miles away mate..

17 Jan 2018 12:02:13
Look I love Salah as much as anyone, and I certainly wouldn’t swap him for anyone, but it’s also entirely possible everything is falling into place for him and he’s in a massive sweet spot of form which may dip at some point (a bit like Vardy’s has) .

If he can play at just 80-90% of what he’s doing now for the next couple of years, then we can start comparing him to Messi.

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{Ed025's Note - your dead right SG..

17 Jan 2018 11:50:43
I meant just English football in general Ed025. I'd love it if Liverpool and Man City were the next Real/ Barca of Europe though. Just to see Mourinho's face if nothing else 😂

Like i say, it's just a dream right now. You're right in saying we're a long way off at this moment in time. Maybe not as far as some think though. We just sold Coutinho for £140m and then beat "the best team in football history" the same week, before we've even replaced our "best player", and with Keita and Van Dijk to cone into that team. If you are a Liverpool fan, i think you have every right to be excited for the future.

Just got to give Salah, Firmino and Mane a key to the City, their own personal entourage, and lots of beautiful women. Maybe import the entourage and the women from over seas though. The only reason Jesus wasn't born in England was because god couldn't find three wise men or virgin.

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{Ed025's Note - love it MK, liverpool are certainly going in the right direction but they need to win something soon, losing players like couts and all the speculation about salah,s future means they are still seen as a stepping stone for some players at the moment, top players want titles and its imperative that liverpool get some silverware if thats to be reversed mate..

17 Jan 2018 12:28:09
Likewise agree 100% Ed. We need to win something either this season or at the latest next to crystallise the forward momentum and prove to players they can win top trophy’s with us.

Tottenham likewise are in an even more precarious position, they need to win something quick before all the hard work they put into building their squad is lost as they get picked off by the mega-money clubs.

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{Ed025's Note - thats very true SG..

17 Jan 2018 12:37:37
Ed it seems to me to be all about the summer transfer window. We must get that right. I don't think we are very very close or miles away from being a top side. The 4 or so players we target in the summer must be of the required standard.

If we get it right and players who come in are of the standard of VVD, Salah, Keita of course we will be one of the very best sides in Europe. But winning trophies is what it is all about as Ed says. Salah won't want to stay to finish second.

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17 Jan 2018 13:39:06
I agree with all the points raised here (even your, Mark lol) . Ed25 is correct. LFC is definitely on the rise, no question. Ed24 once told me that LFC was the 2nd best team and had n even better attack than City in the PL even tho the table does not show that. After the City game, he was and is dead on. We are on the cusp of being great right now with some luck with the right signings BUT we must walk before we can run. Now, we are currently walking briskly with a run well within range.

Now that must not stop us from doing our very best in trying to win a trophy this or the next season so as to validate that brisk walk cos in the end, this team NEEDS to be able to achieve a goal, a trophy together to stand them in good stead mentally, to go for more. Why? Cos at that point, they will know that they can defy the odds and win and that is vital to a team's mentality. Hopefully, the FA Cup is where it begins this season. However, let us remember that Salah and our other good players will not hang around either if we win an FA Cup and miss out on CL. We must be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

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17 Jan 2018 15:08:49
A better question is: Will Salah still be at the club by the time he reaches his prime? I would say no, unless the club starts challenging very soon! As we have seen over the years, it's hard to keep your best players when consistent success isn't determined.

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17 Jan 2018 10:43:24
Lots of reports that we want James Maddison, Norwich.

He is a very, very good player to be fair, but he is still young and it would be a bad move for all parties unless Klopp has the bottle to give him a chance in the first team, straight from the get go.

He's a centre midfielder with a wand of a right foot for anyone who doesn't know him. His set pieces, long range shots, and range of passing are all remarkable for a 21 year old. He lacks defensive awareness and pace though.

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17 Jan 2018 11:26:14
James Maddison? The former U. S President plays for Norwich? That can't be right? He was born 2-3 centuries ago.

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17 Jan 2018 11:28:04
Never seen him, but seeing Spurs going for him makes me worry a little bit about another Dele Alli situation!

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17 Jan 2018 11:39:03
Haha, maybe we could partner him in midfield with Benjamin Franklin, BRover?

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17 Jan 2018 12:14:11
Very good, when he comes in we send Woodburn on loan.

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17 Jan 2018 12:15:51
Plus our owners are from Boston. Nice revolutionary spirit in the club ;)

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17 Jan 2018 13:01:06
He's nothing like Woodburn Leek.

Maddison specialises in arcing long range shots, dangerous corners, direct and indirect free kicks, composure, whipped crosses and passing range.

Woodburn is direct, has good acceleration, likes to take people on, he's a good finisher, and also creates goal scoring chances with his constant probing.

You might as well compare Beckham and Giggs! A technically gifted English man, and a direct Welsh man!

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17 Jan 2018 13:42:21
I don't think Becks was technically gifted, MK. I will have to disagree there. IMO, Becks was a pretty average player in terms of skill and technical ability. However, he made up for it by being a workaholic who focused mostly on his strengths so as to mitigate against his weaknesses in these areas which in the end, is all you need to be successful. It also helps to be a tabloid darling, a spice boy and all that BUT in the end, he worked on his game, and on dead ball situations relentlessly and for that alone, I admire him.

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17 Jan 2018 14:18:18
Depends what you define as technical ability. I've always had it down as your touch control, your striking technique, and how well you can manipulate the ball with curve/ dip/ spin etc.

Beckham had the best striking technique I've seen from anyone except Xabi Alonso, and Beckham's touch wasn't bad either. If Beckham had pace and a bit more aggression, he would've been as good as Gerrard, maybe better in my opinion. Sadly he never had that short burst of acceleration to regularly work the space for a shot, so he didn't score enough goals from open play.

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17 Jan 2018 10:41:21
Another day and same old rumours. Can’t wait for the window to shut. Let’s face it we are not signing anyone. Klopp and FSG are happy with what we have especially after the Man City game.

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17 Jan 2018 11:08:19
would it be such a bad thing not to sign anyone?

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17 Jan 2018 11:26:52
Nope, JJ. It would suit me fine if that happened.

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17 Jan 2018 11:33:59
We did sign soomeome, perhaps they should of signed VVD last day of window not first day so it would be remembered.

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17 Jan 2018 12:13:00
They were happy before the city game, it was keita in early or nobody. Then leak a few rumours of interest in players to keep people looking the other way. Job done.

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17 Jan 2018 12:55:35
We broke our transfer record and set a world record for a defender 2 weeks ago and some people have already forgotten it seems.

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17 Jan 2018 10:04:59
Morning all think the wife is really going to kill me if I don't stop if I don't stop watching repeats of the City game😁. Anyway a question if I may did Liverpool try to sign Charlie Nicholas before he went to Arsenal?

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17 Jan 2018 10:35:31
Is it true you are a Meath supporter really.

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17 Jan 2018 11:03:06
Ok you choose pistols or swords?

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17 Jan 2018 11:28:13
We did try to sign Nicholas but he bottled it. He didn't fancy fighting for a place against Dalglish and Rush.

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17 Jan 2018 11:32:03
Thought that's what I heard but wasn't to sure thank's for that.

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17 Jan 2018 12:13:44
Yes, he chose arsenal over us because of the bright lights of London, hence his nickname "champagne charlie".

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17 Jan 2018 10:02:59
one thing that impresses me about klopp that doesn't get mentioned is his ruthlessness, Sakho being a case in point he was a fan favourite and there was calls for him to be kept and played but klopp stuck to his guns and offloaded him, Emre can a fan fave but klopp is happy to let him leave.

he may not get everything right or be perfect but he has his own opinions and he sticks with them. there will never be another paisley but i think klopp is as good as anyone can get.

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17 Jan 2018 10:34:26
Good point. He has his flaws as does anyone. But not 1 person or media now questions him selling sakho as unfortunately for him seems he's barely played since leaving for good money due to injury which is a shame. Klopp needs players who are committed and want to work hard for team or else system falls apart.

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17 Jan 2018 11:04:24
Very good call about Sakho mate.

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17 Jan 2018 11:34:35
Spot on, OP and the rest of the boys. Last season and this one, there were MANY fans on here (and other sites) who shamelessly turned on Klopp for getting shot of Sahko, ignoring his repeated disgusting conduct and saying Klopp was wrong to treat him that way. I was livid at the time and so were many.

I like Klopp, want players who are ready to fight for the cause and the shirt and if you think you are bigger than the club or the DR then, you are in for it. Also, players think that well if all else fails, it is the manager that will get the chop, not them. Again, grave mistake. News Flash: Klopp has been given ALL the power to make player personnel decisions so if any player thinks that way, you will be gone LONG before Klopp does.

Klopp did the same for Cou who after he did all he could to keep him, Cou kept intimating that he would sit out the rest of the season hence, creating rancor in the DR. Klopp acted and got shot of him (and rolling Barcelona for a sweet 142m of cash, in the process) . Oh and after all that, we thumped City. Klopp, Da Great!

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17 Jan 2018 12:08:02
Sakho was awful. Played a handful of good games and somehow became a cult hero. Plus he is injury prone. Give me Klavan any day.

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17 Jan 2018 13:08:42
Cant agree with this. Sometimes it's good to stick to your guns but he binned Sakho for his clowning around when our defense was an utter mess and at the time the decision badly hurt us, even if long term it's looked okay. However, he's kept Firmino as our star forward despite him being caught drink driving, Flannagan is in court pleading guilty to assulting his girlfriend is still training with the squad pending a club disciplinary - he clearly isn't even handed in his approach and to me, has allowed much worse than anything Sakho did go unpunished whilst sakho basically lost a year of his career whilst we played Lucas in defense. I don't mind someone being ruthless about behaviour of their players if they actually are, but frankly the inconsistence in how Klopp deals with his players is something that needs addressing not applauding.

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17 Jan 2018 13:30:10
I think the difference there hjikle is while the behaviour of firmino and Flanagan on those occasions are completely undefendable they are issues which do concern the club but are personal to those players. sakho was clowning about with klopp and clowning about when he was already in trouble with klopp. He undermined him and klopp didn't stand for it. And damn right. if he let that sort of stupid behaviour go then maybe other players start fooling about too.

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17 Jan 2018 14:32:27
Firmino had to beg for his court case date to be changed so he didn't miss a major fixture vs Chelsea. Even if we ignore the fact that these people are representatives of the club at all times, and make a huge amount of money out of their image rights which greatly reflect their personal life, his poor behavior almost making him miss one of the biggest matches of the season sounds like something to do with the club to me.

I'm not saying that dumping Sakho was wrong (although turning down offers for him to go that season was) . I'm saying that he's not ruthless in dealing with these situations - he picks and chooses who gets punished and who doesnt.

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17 Jan 2018 14:52:20
Yes but sakho taking fat burners without telling the club and nearly getting banned and missing important games because if it is one thing and klopp probably was angry but he didn't push him out after that he then came late to meetings and then starting clowning around when klopp was in a filmed interview which is not only stupid and disrespectful at a time when he should have been keeping his head down but also undermining klopp a authority on a v public level.

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