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20 Sep 2017 11:48:58
Good morning Ed's!

Still recovering a bit from last night, and trying to stay optimistic for the rest of the season! (hard though! )

With sackings becoming more prevalent in football, with people like De Boer going so quickly after joining Palace, as well as fellow supporters already muttering #Kloppout. What would have to happen at Liverpool that would make you really feel Klopp deserved to go? E. g run of results, poor transfers, media/ tapping up?

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{Ed001's Note - personally it would be if he lost the dressing room.}

20 Sep 2017 12:29:13
One thing is certain if he doesn't sort the defence he's a goner.

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20 Sep 2017 12:31:19
When everyone is fit Dean, we could potentially line up with Ward, Arnold, Gomez, Matip, Robertson, Henderson, Lallana, Coutinho, Mane, Firmino and Salah. We'd still have Karius, Lovren, Moreno, Gini, Can, Chamberlain and Sturridge on the bench as well.

Even with a slightly weak defence, that team has the firepower to beat anyone in the world. So keep the faith buddy!

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20 Sep 2017 12:38:21
well said MK.

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20 Sep 2017 13:04:44
its not only about firepower Mk its about the balance, we all hope that Kloop will turn this around but just naming players and waiting for their return does not assures anything. and its lallana we are taking about not Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi.

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20 Sep 2017 13:14:33
Lightweight in midfield and weak in central defence. You can't just go out hoping to outscore the opponents. No team has won the league without having an organised defence and strong midfield and we have neither.

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20 Sep 2017 14:09:22
Correct Crazy Horse.

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20 Sep 2017 14:17:01
It's not about it being Lallana. It is about it being a different kind of player to Henderson, Can and Gini. He will make us a more balanced team. The midfield is flat without Lallana or Coutinho. It will improve us more defensively than offensively in a round about way because Henderson will become the dedicated defensive midfielder.

Don't be deliberately obtuse.

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20 Sep 2017 15:03:45
Hendeson is ever a dedicated defensive midfielder not he would ever become one! I suggest you to withdraw the money on him MK. I have seen many players like you and I can assure you he would never become one! Trust me on this mate. Let him become anything else! No worries S.

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20 Sep 2017 16:03:48
"Even with a slightly weak defence, that team has the firepower to beat anyone in the world"

For the majority of the season, yes it does. But when they have off games like at home to burnley or palace this season for example, or when they have 'on' games like at home to sevilla and away to watford, in which we still didn't win, just having the firepower isn't enough to win the top competitions.

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20 Sep 2017 16:01:07
You don't know that for sure Harry. Nobody thought Scholes could adapt as he got older. He was absolutely useless at tackling. Didn't stop him becoming the best holding midfielder in Premier League history. He learned to position himself well, started to dictate the game, his range of passing increased ten fold etc. He never quite got the hang of a slide tackle but he got good enough to rarely need to go to ground.

Klopp has clearly seen potential in Henderson to play there and I'll support the decision at least until January when we can actually do something about it if it's still not working.

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20 Sep 2017 16:41:36
If you want Klopp out, buy the club and sack him yourself. Till then, calm down and support the team and to those muttering the #Kloppout crap. Be careful what you wish for. Barca, Arsenal, Bayern and even Everton will take Klopp. What very good manager would take us after he leaves? Woy or Big Sam perhaps? Get a grip!

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20 Sep 2017 11:45:09
Ward is a no brainer to play at the weekend.
Classy at his feet, kicked long when he had too. Players seemed to trust passing back to him.
Came and caught 2/ 3 corners, which is massive seeing as we can't defend them. Then 1 catch, on the 18 yard box?! He had about as much right to catch that as I do to slap my mum. It was outrageous.
He's About our only gk with confidence and aerial ability.
Do it klopp, do it.

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20 Sep 2017 12:23:01
Hopefully klopp isn't completely dumb.

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20 Sep 2017 13:15:32
Ward did everything he was called upon to do competently and effectively. I just feel sorry for him having to be behind a defence containing Klavan.

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20 Sep 2017 14:09:55
He should play. but he won't.

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20 Sep 2017 14:25:14
Last keeper to come that far and collect the ball ( most of the time ) was brucie. showing my age now.

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20 Sep 2017 16:04:07
Mignolet will play.

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20 Sep 2017 16:42:55
Ward is still inexperienced at this level so people need to chill out. Even Karius is still unproven. However, Migs should be benched as he is clearly inferior to the other two.

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20 Sep 2017 17:23:03
Ward looks good, Mignolet isn't exactly setting the world on fire, keep him in. As many have mentioned the constant rotation in defence has not helped them - pick a back 5 and stick with it. Preferably one with a competent keeper.

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20 Sep 2017 18:33:02
I agree, Seano and Klopp has messed this up, big time. He does not rate Migs BUT keeps playing him The rotation thingy is a shambles. Migs is crap so he should be benched and never recalled regardless of the mistakes Ward or Karius makes as they have more margin to improve as they are both better than Migs, clearly while Migs is who and what he is, a failure.

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20 Sep 2017 11:40:41
Klopp ; "conceding goals like that make me sick " Has the penny finally dropped and are we going to see more protection for the back four? I for one won't be holding my breath.

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20 Sep 2017 13:05:26
who needs a Dm.

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20 Sep 2017 18:36:47
The penny dropped a long time ago, were you not aware of that? The players he is playing with are no longer those he wants, per Ed01. He brought in Matip as a stop gap (Ed01's info) until he found the right CB he wanted. He found it in VVD and unfortunately, that got messed up. He still wants VVD but it's not going to happen right now and buying another stop gap is pointless so we have to move on.

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20 Sep 2017 11:35:58
Partly to change the subject and partly because of an interesting post on Huddersfield Academy yesterday I wanted to talk about youth development. I think youth development is fundamentally flawed at the big clubs, putting aside the damage done to smaller academies by hoovering up all their talent (see Huddersfield) it is more efficient for a rich club to pay for a player than for them to develop one. Academies take years to train a player and their output has a poor record. If you look at the big 6 clubs there are only 11 home trained players (this includes Solanke who was trained at Chelsea) in their first team squads. Of those 11 only 2 are established first 11 player (Kane and Rashford), 4 are hoping to establish themselves (Iwobi, Winks, TAA and Solanke), 3 are hanging on by their fingernails (Wilshire, Lingard and Flanagan) and the last two are just pups starting out (Walker-Peters and Woodburn) .

If you look at our players nationally we have a terrible reputation, in terms of our talent pool we should be on a par with Italy, France and Spain (Germany’s is an order bigger) but these countries are outperforming us, why? I believe it’s because the clubs in those countries can’t afford to fix all their problems with money and are therefore forced to utilise their youth players. Furthermore countries like Holland and Portugal are outperforming us, despite having much smaller talent pools, probably because they are ‘selling’ leagues; they have fully established youth development programmes and their best talent is continually stripped meaning there are plenty of opportunities for their youths to prove themselves. It’s similar in South America, with a one way flow of talent across the atlantic there are always opportunities for talented and determined young players.

In England there are two problems, the youth players don’t have the same route to the first team at the big clubs and, those who are so talented that they force their way through, often struggle from ‘too much, too soon’ syndrome and lack the work ethic that marks out the truly great players. If you compare Kane or Rashford to Wilshire the former two both got their opportunities by good fortune (failure of Solgado and an injury crisis respectively) as opposed to Wilshire who was told he was destined for the top from age 16.

Whilst it is always great to see a home-grown player break into the first team it has become such a rare occurrence and the current system is so damaging, that I think it should end. Essentially I wouldn’t want young talent playing at a big club until around 21. What advantage would this have? All the young talent in the country would move to smaller clubs where there is a route to the first team. As they couldn’t move till they were older they’d serve full apprenticeships rather than sit on a bench somewhere else. Furthermore they wouldn’t receive ridiculous wages early on robbing them of their desire to improve. The Championship is a very competitive league and it’s standards are probably similar or higher to a lot of the minor leagues around Europe, it should be utilised as a breeding ground for talent.

I think a rule along the lines of ‘Players must be 21 or older on the date of the first PL game of the season to be eligible to play in the PL. Players who were registered at clubs who have been promoted from the Championship in the last three seasons are exempt’. Such a system would hold back the u-21s who are of a sufficient quality and desire but those players would still make it, just a couple of years later. What do people think, ridiculous or could it work?

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20 Sep 2017 12:11:50
Whilst i more or less agree with your post Putney, having an age cap i feel would also restrict a players ability to learn. Do you not thnk a young 18-19 year old training with the likes of Ronalso, Ibra, Coutinho etc would help develop their game? I would mi=uch rather learn as much as i can from these types of players.

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20 Sep 2017 12:39:05
That's an interest point stuie and one I hadn't considered. My gut feeling is that's a nice to have but not as important as good coaching. How many of those players you mentioned were training with greats themselves when they were teenagers?

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{Ed001's Note - the best players were not coached to be great, the Bests etc. Coaching hones what is there. I would say we need to find a way to bring back more impromptu fun games of football for children. When I was growing up, you could have anything from 3 kids up to 50 or 60 on any scrap of ground we could find. Now there are cars everywhere, kids are too afraid to kick a ball around in the streets.}

20 Sep 2017 12:56:26
The countries whose youths seem more progressive and ahead in most parts in my mind are germany, holland and spain (leave south american teams out of this convo) all have one thing i can think of in common obviously extreme players like asencio in spain go straight towards their first team but all these leagues are set up so their second teams which are mainly u23 players all play in lower division leagues against senior sides (in spain they are called b and c sides, germanys 2nd (II) and in holland they are called jong. just so you can see what i mean) . What this does in my opinion is gets them used to playing against adults for the want of a better word helps get used to the physicality of the game.

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{Ed001's Note - more to the point, at least in Spain from what I saw anyway, there is lots of space for kids to kick a ball about and they usually are out playing, not stuck indoors.}

20 Sep 2017 12:59:01
I agree that things have changed ed, but I doubt they'll go back to how they were. I think there's still loads of talent in England, I just don't think it's being managed correctly. In a better system Wilshire, Barkley and Sterling would be world class. Instead they're wasted talents.

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20 Sep 2017 14:36:27
I think its bigger than just a football issue in UK, though that side of it could be far improved upon.

To me part of it is society and government related, for example I live across from a park that I grew up playing football in junior and youth leagues as well as just kicking a ball about with my mates, for years now the council have stopped maintaining the park and it doesn't even have goalposts any more - I see this replicated all around.

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20 Sep 2017 11:11:37
Ed001 very sorry if I'm asking a very stupid question but going by what you are saying is we desperately need a holding mid?

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{Ed001's Note - if the players can't figure out between themselves how to defend, then you have to get players in who can. A defensive mid at least would clear up a lot of the confusion in midfield, as they would not all be in the same inch of space on the pitch.}

20 Sep 2017 11:23:42
Listening to klopps interviews he talks like he knows what's wrong but himself seemed bemused as to why they can't do what he says.

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20 Sep 2017 11:33:46
Thanks a million Ed. A very big pity Lucas is gone mate.

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{Ed001's Note - very big loss he is.}

20 Sep 2017 11:41:46
Ive been posting that we need a proper defensive midfielder for a very long time. Hope Klopp can see this and get in someone with quality. Shame Matic would have been perfect. But would love some one like Ndidi or N'Zonzi. isn't Pedro Chrivella a defensive midfielder ed? Been impressed when I have seen him play.

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{Ed001's Note - Chirivella has mainly played there yes. Be nice if he made it, always looks a good player when I have seen him.}

20 Sep 2017 11:46:02
Henderson is the major issue. He vacates that position exposes our defense which ain't strong enough. Can't pass forward unless its preseason. When ever somebody runs at him or act like running at him he either passes back or to the side. he can't beat a player. Play him somewhere else but Not at DM!

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20 Sep 2017 11:48:46
Problem is Ed, it needs to be a realistic option who would actually improve us. Which is why i was so annoyed we didn't even compete for Matic.

Romeu from Southampton is a good player (i know, them again) . Diego Demme from Red Bull Leipzig is also a good player? Maybe even Milivojevic from Crystal Palace? For anybody with a great memory, Mikel San Jose is also a great defensive midfielder nowadays. He'd probably jump at the chance to come prove us all wrong!

In my opinion, Henderson can learn the role if his injury clears up but I'm starting to get concerned he is still carrying it with how inconsistent he has been this season.

Long term, i think Wijnaldum will end up playing there for us as he has all the attributes needed, no fitness issues, and Klopp has used him there a few times now.

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{Ed001's Note - Mikel is a nice lad but a bit slow for English footie mate. I have not noticed Demme, when I have watched RBL I have been solely focused on Keita. The Palace guy (I can't even be bothered to try and spell his name) is not really quite good enough. Could do a job but I wouldn't put him as someone worth splashing cash on. I like Romeu, but again, not sure he would be worth anything like the money he would cost. By the way, pretty sure Mili from Palace is getting on, but I could be getting mixed up.}

20 Sep 2017 12:14:41
Milivojevic was 25 when Palace signed him in January so at most he is 26. You may have him confused with Mili Jedinak who is ancient (34 i think) . He seems decent but needs more time to fully settle in England i think.

San Jose probably is a bit slow but so was Alonso 😉

Diego Demme is a quality player though. Keep on eye on him next time you watch them. Proper little terrier of a player, great passing range, and a great club captain too. He'd probably be a bit unrealistic if I'm honest.

On Romeu i have no idea what he'd cost but in todays market he'd be a bargain at anything under £30m. Not massively gifted but protects the defence so well.

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20 Sep 2017 12:27:53
I like Romeu MK. He is a no nonsense midfielder and does his job effectively. I have been impressed by Lemina in the last game. He looks some player! Rabbit from PSG would be another option, Paredes at Roma. Can from Juventus maybe be 😄😄.

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20 Sep 2017 12:43:37
Paredes isn't really a holding midfielder mate. I watch Roma a lot and he plays ahead of De Rossi.

Also Rabiot isn't a greatholding midfielder either. He is better ahead of Motta.

Motta and De Rossi would be great signings. Short term fixes though as they're both about 30.

Never watched Lemina except on MOTD though. Glad we agree on Romeu 😂 take note.

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20 Sep 2017 13:18:56
I think Romeu would be a great signing, reads the game brilliantly, has very good technique and isn't afraid of the dirty work as well as being a very physical presence in the middle of the pitch.

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20 Sep 2017 14:12:58
How about Emre avan from Juventus MK? 😄😄😄.

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20 Sep 2017 18:39:28
I would go for N'Zonzi.

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20 Sep 2017 11:05:59
So funny reading all the comments like 'when are our fringe players going to get any playing time now', they got playing time last night and they lost or did everybody miss that? Or should we have played a full strength team first round and then the fringe players after that?

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20 Sep 2017 11:24:58
My issue wasn't the team picked, the first half they played well and did themselves proud it was the premature substitute of countho that annoyed me, granted woodburn was the best player the second half but Coutinho is somebody regardless of how absent he may be can score a goal form noWhere, they made a positive change and ours was reactive in the end.

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20 Sep 2017 11:30:23
Exactly mate. Klopp can't win.

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20 Sep 2017 11:32:44
Considering you had the likes of Coutinho, Gomez (most want first choice) , Robertson, Ward (your best keeper) , Henderson, Gini, The OX (£40m signing) , and Leicester also played fringe players, I think your fellow fans were hoping for better to be honest.

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20 Sep 2017 11:49:09
Cant believe myself agreeing with a united supporter.

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20 Sep 2017 11:56:37
Thank you stand, Leicester former champions also played with Iborra (15m) and gray (20m bid turned down this summer) (many would argue should be first choice) Chilwell, dragovic ( their best cb) Albrighton, Ndidi (15m) and slimani (25-30m) and I'm sure the Leicester fans would also have been disappointed to be beaten with this team had they lost to us. Or am I missing this? Next point please.

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20 Sep 2017 11:58:16
Johnbarnes you're unhappy with the substitution but feel his replacement was the best player, you can see coutinhos still not ready can't you?

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20 Sep 2017 18:47:24
Indeed, Klopp can't win. People always like to be geniuses after the fact. Cou was prolly already earmarked to play 45 mins as he clearly can't play 90 right now BUT clearly, that is too difficult to understand to the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" people on here. Always got something to moan about. It's getting boring now. Give over.

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20 Sep 2017 11:05:53
Is your match review not ready yet ed001?

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{Ed001's Note - haven't had a chance yet mate, I am doing it now though.}

20 Sep 2017 11:25:49
Please mention ox in it.35 mil . lol. klopp was wurely in weed to buy him.

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20 Sep 2017 11:04:32
Id like to have a say abouut the goalkeeper situation, Im not going to bash anyone just give my humble opinion based on what i've read over the past few weeks, seen and my own experiences. From what i've read and seems to be the general consensus, Mignolet is being fazed out and its a two horse race so surely the sooner it happens the better for the club and the players, from the limited playing time i've seen I feel both are better than Mignolet. Now here is where my experiences and preferences come into my thinking, Back in the early 80's when i was 14 i started playing mens football as a centerback the position was actually called a sweeper back then. i recall the goalkeeper at the time whok i known from the local GAA side taking me aside and telling me if he calls for the ball in the air to get out of the way as he would wipe me out aswell as any forward to get the ball, low and behold i had a brain fart went for a header after he called and the next thing i knew he was picking me off the ground telling me to listen better. Now from that day forward i learned the lessen and always preferred a keeper that commands his area and for that reason from what limited game time i've seen i prefer Ward for the goalkeeper spot but Klopp needs to get it sorted as in the #1 position sooner rather than later.
sorry for the story but gets across the point i think.

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20 Sep 2017 11:16:50
Just that one move when he came out to the edge of the box to claim the cross was enough for me. At least he had the bottle to do it.

He couldn't do anything about the goals but I think he's a better option than minger or Klopps love child.

Give him a run .

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20 Sep 2017 11:23:08
Sweeper was usually in behind the two CBs if not mistaken but none the less I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of part of a goalkeeper's role.
He simply has to command his area and be on his toes when an attack is developing or be caught flat footed for a snap shot or whatever comes his way. There's literally inches in the difference from becoming a world class goalkeeper and just a normal one.
You are more likely to react quicker if on your toes to be able to command your area, quicker on your feet.
It's one of my biggest critisms of Mignolet. He's flat footed a lot of the time. Ward came to the edge of his area last night to claim a ball lofted in and it was a delight to behold - a Liverpool keeper dominate his box.
Mignolet can't/ won't do it. He did once to be fair against Burnley but my heart was in my mouth when he did as he doesn't show confidence. When Ward came to claim last night, I had no fears. Says it all sadly.

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20 Sep 2017 11:39:06
I think there's an assumption that migs is being phased out. Rightly or wrongly the evidence is that he is first choice at the club.

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{Ed001's Note - he is being phased out. It is not an assumption. If things had gone according to plan, he would have been phased out last season.}

20 Sep 2017 12:45:58
I know that was the plan ed, do you think it still is? Klopp had been pretty adament that Migs is number one and the others will play in the cups. Of course Migs is always in danger of being dropped but that's different to being phased out.

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{Ed001's Note - he still plans to get rid of Migs. What Klopp says publicly, like all managers, is irrelevant and best ignored.}

20 Sep 2017 13:00:37
Got it, think we're just arguing semantics.

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{Ed001's Note - probably.}

20 Sep 2017 18:53:55
Ed, Inknew that he was getting the chop gradually as soon as he gut punished and dropped for the Arsenal game. Now when Klopp said that he is using Karius for the CL to get him game time, I was then sure that Migs is a goner and it is only a matter of time before Karius takes the gloves. He and Ward are clearly better GK's than him and Klopp knows that so he is doing things bay steps. Now for thos saying Ward is better than Karius (as Migs ia a non factor), let's see what happens cos regardless of what one thinks, they are both inexperienced at the PL level. Time will tell BUT remember that Klopp signed Karius, not Ward and he will give Karius every oppo to win the job. Managers often do that in these situations.

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20 Sep 2017 10:40:09
Just for one second, imagine City without Silva, De Bruyne and Aguero at the same time. Or Man United without Pogba, Mkhitaryan and Lukaku at the same time.

Now sit there and tell us all that having 3 of our best players out injured (Coutinho and Lallana) returning from injury (Mane and Coutinho), sulking (Coutinho) or suspended (Mane) has had no impact on the start to our season. If you can do that then you are just a down right liar, looking for a scapegoat to take out your anger on.

We have suffered as a result of a few individual mistakes, i admit. I refuse to join in with the boo boys so early though. You're not supporters. You are spoilt brats who want us to go and do what City, Chelsea and United have done and attempt to buy the title.

Anyway this post is not intended to be about our season, more the general issues with modern fans.

We are trying to build sustainable success. Not a team that needs gutting every 3-5 years. Our transfer record is £48m on Keita depending on which report you read. I mean Jesus Christ, Everton paid £50m for Sigurdson, City have paid £50m for about 6 different players, United have paid £200m on Lukaku and Pogba alone, Chesea have been spending £30m+ on 4 players a year since 2004. Even Arsenal have paid £40m for Sanchez, £50m for Ozil and £60m for Lacazette.

We cannot compete financially with anyone else in the top 7 except maybe Spurs. Yes, even Everton have more money than us now.

So what? They'll all keep having to sign a shed load of players every window and through crafting our own team and keeping consistency, we will be able to compete eventually without having to blow a kings ransom every year. Klopp wants to do things the right way.

He at least deserves 3 or 4 years. I thought 3 years but after hearing his comments where he said he'd win the league in 4 years, I'm prepared to give him that. If you don't have the patience, give somebody else your oar and get off the boat. Go swim over to Man Utd's boat with the £200m petrol motor on the back.

I'm so sick of this. The fans of football are becoming worse than the players. Your lack of patience and sense of entitlement is akin to a 7 year old little girl whose daddy bought her the wrong colour pony for Easter. It's actually pathetic.

Constructive criticism is fine. The absolute melt down and temper tantrums though? Not okay. "but i pay for my ticket". Oh get out of here. You're lucky if you have a ticket. I've seen 4 games in my life. Maybe you'd be willing to pay more so you can sign more expensive players? Oh no wait, you all walked out of the game when that was even suggested. That's fine, and you all stood up for what is right. But then don't moan when we aren't dining with the big boys in the transfer window because we now have to run other aspects of the club in a morally right fashion. You want your cake, but you want to eat it too. Typical bloody 21st century children. No, not children. People. Even adults nowadays want everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Jesus Christ, rant over. Good luck Ed's, you are in for one hell of a week if we don't slaughter Leicester this weekend. I need a holiday.

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20 Sep 2017 10:57:38
We could easily compete against the likes Arsenal and Spurs and we have outspend both teams from quite some time.

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20 Sep 2017 11:06:10
Relax mate, you'll always have moaners who moan for the sake of moaning on an anonymous forum.

The ones who moan, then don't give their reasons or their antidotes to find solutions are most likely supporters of other clubs here on a wind up/ immature kids/ mentally special or genuine basket cases.

If you get sucked into their waffle, you'll end up like them consumed by the utter misery in their lives.

I'm all for constructive debate and a moan when it's merited so long as you give good reason and your own ideas on how to repair the damage but a blind moaner will never see the sun shine MK.

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20 Sep 2017 11:20:05
Its about expectations MK. a fair lot of us ( me included ) expected us to fight for the league this season. But most feel now we aren't even in contention so the constant grimace.
As usual I give any team till 19 games before making any judgement. But I feel Klopp has missed a trick this transfer window and and in early season it is a bit evident that the defense is still a mess and has left Klopp flabbergasted.
What particularly annoys me is we were going all good at the start and then suddenly the attack is having a bad phase where the ball won't just go in. Couple it would non sense defending and we are left with little positives to take out of the games.
We have crashed out of contention for one cup, it is small trophy that we won't be winning and its just early season - So we are panicking.
Klopp will get it right by the 8th-9th game of the season but till its tough to watch 30 shots on goal without scoring and conceding 2 in 2.

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20 Sep 2017 11:20:45
The problem is nothing to do with those players being available or not, we are absolutely shocking in centre defence and we are flaccid and weak in midfield. Those problems haven't been addressed and we are a soft touch. Relying on the likes of Klavan leaves us vulnerable as he has no discernible qualities, he is poor in the air and poor at dealing with quick mobile forwards. Then wasting £35m on Oxlade Chamberlain in the knowledge that we are so poor in central defence and midfield just compounds that as it doesn't address the actual lack of quality that we have.

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20 Sep 2017 11:24:32
Harry we can't get near Arsenal financially. Wenger not spending the money doesn't mean it's not there when he wants to.

I know Kev I'm just getting very upset this week. It is hard enough dealing with the media and other fans exagerrating the situation. You'd think as a fan base we could stand together and protect our players; maybe even support them? 😮 We're just helping everyone else push the knife in though!

I've seen anything on here from Klopp out, to taking the armband off Henderson, and some people have even gone as far as saying Woodburn, Gomez, Arnold and Solanke should be playing with the u23's. It's nonsense. Send them back to youth football now and that will be their careers here done. It'll destroy their confidence and by the time they get another chance they'll be too old. 17-19 is the age you step up in this country. Once a player goes past that age in English football, their top flight careers are usually done because nobody will accept mistakes from 21-24 year olds. They barely accept mistakes from teenagers!

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20 Sep 2017 11:29:27
There's being a spoilt brat and there is being unhappy with the current situation. I think we are entitled to be unhappy quite frankly the past three games have been subpar, however I agree with you in the sense that people are calling for klopps head (a minority) and those who for some reason believe we should be winning every game regardless because 'we are Liverpool init'. If it looks like the lads are trying I wouldn't fault them, which was the case until we conceded, after that we just look like rabbits in the headlights. Somebody else mentioned but I've noticed myself, there was a belief of 'ah well we've conceded but we'll our score you', now it's 'oh f*ck' and we just lose it.

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20 Sep 2017 11:37:23
Accusing Liverpool fans with a lack of patience? 25 plus years and waiting! I think you do need a break.

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20 Sep 2017 12:02:28
No issue with being upset or the like. SGred put up a brilliantly constructive post about how he thinks we should deal with this bad form. There was no panic, no over reaction. Just a calculated opinion on where we're going wrong. That's fine.

I'm not in some kind of bubble thinking everything is rosey. We are 4 games without a win. All I'm calling for is perspective and patience. The knives are out for Chamberlain after one start. That is just ridiculous. He had a bad game excluding one cross which should've been buried. But that doesn't give us the right to start berating him and moaning at Klopp for signing him. It's not like Klopp had Ox and VVD to choose from and chose Ox. He wanted both. Ox shouldn't be carrying the can for the club failing to sign all it's targets.

Klopp should to be fair, but it's also not fair to say he has no clue about the defence. He has signed Karius, Klavan, Matip, Robertson and promoted Ward, Gomez and Arnold. He knows there is an issue and he is trying to fix it. But the talent out their is limited so we have stop gaps for now. What can we do about it? Nothing. So just support the players at the club.

Call them out on bad performances. Criticise constructively. But unless it is a Mignolet like saga where we've had 5 years of mediocrity, then there really isn't justification for some of the posts i see on here.

I just want perspective and patience from people. That is all.

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20 Sep 2017 12:08:40
Don't need Klopp out we need him to work in training on tactical positioning, these guys should be staying extra hours doing the work if they really wanted to, training a few hours a day isn't enough for wht is being paid, you work everyday in football you should have a clue as to where to be on the pitch, Ward needs to be no.1, he did well last year, Gomez should be given time in the centre, we need a real CDM, our midfield is the weakest by a mile in the top 6, Eds do we have a Wenger situation where Klopp likes to think he knows better than everyone else and won't improve cdm and cb? Klop out is crazy shouting though imo.

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20 Sep 2017 12:19:45
Yes MK, it's utter BS.
There will always be these types though.
Best learn to skim these people's posts.

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20 Sep 2017 12:22:23
Klopp has been her 2 years. Not 25. If you want to cling onto a status we had nearly 3 decades ago, and end up like Villa, Leeds or Forrest, then sure. Keep calling for us to rip up the blueprints every 3 years to try and get instant success.

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20 Sep 2017 13:20:52
MK, can you explain why United will need the gut the side in 3 years? Since Fergie left we appointed the wrong manager twice. Moyes and LVG both wasted money on poor signings. Jose has been here 12 months, already winning two trophies I might add, and although he's downing money, unlike the other two useless managers he's spent well. De gea 26, Bailly 23, jones 25, Shaw 22, Pogba 24, Lukaku 24, Martial 21, Rashford 19, Hererra and Miki 28. Hardly over the hill is it? Average age of the side is good with a couple approaching 30 giving good balance.

Jose has put the foundations in for a very good squad for the long term. And he'll add to that. If teams want to compete at the top of the PL consistently and in Europe they need to invest. Players also want to see the club invest in top players. Will Coutinho and Mane stay long term without the club investing in top players? I highly doubt it. Footballs changed and it's near on impossible to do what Fergie did all them years ago.

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20 Sep 2017 14:01:05
stand i have been saying this all along its not fair comaparing United or city or chelsea to us. all these teams are way ahead of us on the pitch and off the pitch. we are more close to spurs or Arsenal.

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20 Sep 2017 19:05:16
Spot on, MK and Olirish. People want to moan and that's all they want to do. They moan about stuff that are obvious BUT have no viable solutions about how we can get better as a team and club. They just do it cos well, they have a right to moan. I just don't pay attention as it is not worth the headache cos all they care about is posting as much BS, OTT comments, they can muster.

Stand, comparing us with these teams who can drop 300m every window on players, is a false comparison that should not even warrant a debate. We are in the Spurs category now of spending when we need to, becoming more creative in our scouting for players who fit the way we play and bring our youth through. That is our standard now cos if we try to compete with such teams (arsenal have more money than we do BUT AW won't spend it) we will definitely go bust like we almost did hen Rafa tried it in the past. That is the reality.

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20 Sep 2017 09:25:02
Being scottish i find it truly disappointing klavan isn't eligible to play for england.

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20 Sep 2017 09:40:52
Who would he replace? Lol!

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20 Sep 2017 11:10:04
He's good enough to captain Scotland though :)

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20 Sep 2017 11:18:24
he'd walk into the Scottish team tho!

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