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17 Jun 2018 07:17:17
A discussion about VAR.

I know a lot of people here are not convinced by it but it is an idea which is growing on me. What really tipped it for me was a moment in Portugal vs Spain- the first Spain goal.

Sergio Busquets played a long ball to Diego Costa who won it from Pepe in an aeriel duel. In the usually horrific circumstances for Pepe there was slight contact between Costa's arm and his face and naturally, he went down as though he'd been hit by a pellet bomb. Now, had there been no VAR, I am sure the referee would have called a foul, but having the ability to bring the play back to review allowed him to let play go on. Costa got the ball and as he was trying to get his shot away, the fatally decapitated Pepe realised that the play was not stopping and he was alive after all, so he got up and ran to stop Costa. In that moment it became clear to the referee that Pepe was playacting. So in this case, the mere presence of VAR was enough to prevent an act of cheating from having scuppered a great goal from Costa.

I know the system isn't ideal but clearly there are some great benefits to be had from it. In addition to above, it's great to know that the result of a crucial game will not be determined by an opponent's cheating or a mistake by the linesman. Those who are still not convinced, what would you do to fix it given that it's the future of the game.

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{Ed001's Note - while I don't like Pepe and he did make far too much of it, that was a foul and it is just as likely to be given under VAR as it would have been without it.}

17 Jun 2018 08:16:12
I am all for using video to improve refereeing but I still wish they used a review system instead of the current method. I just feel it's going to lead to refs using it as a crutch. I was amazed the ref didn't immediately give Peru a pen against Denmark and, instead, waited for the VAR system to alert him to the fact.

My worry is that the onfield ref will just become a mouthpiece for the video refs with little authority themselves.

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17 Jun 2018 08:47:32
I thought it was a foul too. Detest Pepe tho.

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17 Jun 2018 09:03:14
I thought it was a foul myself and thought that incident was indicative of the flaws of the system: humans are still making the decisions - humans are fallible and humans see things differently from one another. It was a similar story in the Australia game where I thought the defender touched the ball onto Griezman but VAR awarded a pen. It might stop absolute howlers (and even that is not a certainty) but contentious issues will still be rife. Also don't like how players are already clamouring for the VAR in games nor the way it slows games down. I'd rather the referees where just respected much more irrespective of mistakes - it would empower them and give them a platform to referee better.

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17 Jun 2018 09:10:42
We talk about refs decisions now we talk about var, what's changed. A good example is I 100% didn't think Griezmans was a pen yesterday but there will be many who thought it was.

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17 Jun 2018 09:30:29
I was in a bar full of people who didn't think that greizmans was a penalty and we were struggling to see how it was a "clear mistake" allowing VAR to overturn it. Argentina should have had a penalty in the later game that the ref didn't give and VAR didn't intervene, it still doesn't give consistency it's just another guys opinion sat behind a screen. Drogba, Neville and the other pundit on BBC had 3 different opinions on that Greizman pen so it must be difficult but I thought that's why it had to be a clear and obvious mistake for them to get involved. I also think that certain players will learn to initiate contact so that it looks bad under slow motion cameras, France were disgusting for all their play acting yesterday.

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17 Jun 2018 09:41:52
What I like about VAR and other similar systems in rugby and ice hockey is the players cannot wander up to it and influence them like they do with refs on the field.

Unless governing bodies are going to get more strict about players approaching the ref they need to use VAR.

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17 Jun 2018 09:43:48
The one for Australia agaisnt France - the clear handball by umtiti - is how it should be used. It was clear and obvious and they didn't need 3/ 4 looks to see if it was a foul. Just a quick glance and it's a clear pen. The France penalty people are still debating now - the refs decision should stand.
The bit I don't like is what the OP said, letting the play GK as they know they can go back. The refs should make the calls as they see them, not let everything go as they have a chance to review it.

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17 Jun 2018 10:04:14
It was a foul but I'm glad it wasn't given because Pepe is a notorious play actor and I hate the way players roll around.

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17 Jun 2018 10:55:55
It was a stone wall foul and I couldn’t believe people saying it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake. He didn’t nearly know him out or anything but it was an arm to the face that clearly knocked him off balance having jumped for the ball.

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17 Jun 2018 13:24:00
It was a foul.

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17 Jun 2018 17:41:56
On another occasion the ref would allow his whistle too early.

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17 Jun 2018 17:42:47
The 'clear and obvious error' moniker was coined by Mike Riley and it stuck. It's not actually on the protocol. He used it as a means to explain its use so that people would understand, and true to form, it's all that people focus on.

I have been sceptical of VAR in it's current form in the UK, but seeing how they let the game flow in the World Cup, even when a decision is imminent, has really impressed me. Players will get used to just getting on with it and playing to the whistle. Obviously not all decisions will be 100% correct, but more will be and any improvement is an improvement nonetheless. Also, there is less harassing of the referees, minimum delays (or delays at suitable times) and a consistency can be more easily maintained. So far, the World Cup usage has changed my mind.

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Review Of The Day 17th June 2018

17 Jun 2018 07:13:16
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 17th June 2018

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17 Jun 2018 07:26:22
Looking forward to the review of the charity match.

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{Ed001's Note - I just hope it lives up to your expectations.}

17 Jun 2018 07:53:29
Cheers Ed! hows the paint? lol have a good day mate!

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{Ed001's Note - it's finally dry! Just got to put everything back away now before I write the match review for yesterday.}

17 Jun 2018 08:09:30
Was it just like watching Brazil ed? Sounds like you were robbed big time!

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{Ed001's Note - it was defo daylight robbery, they barely squeaked through even with the clearly biased decisions by the referee.}

17 Jun 2018 08:44:47
Haha about time eh, looking forward to the review mate!

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{Ed001's Note - if it wasn't dry I would have just used it anyway, bored of waiting. I am going to be totally impartial in my match review don't worry....}

17 Jun 2018 09:45:47
Much appreciated for the review ed. Thank god the paint is dry. Me and my missus were up all night worrying about it.

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{Ed001's Note - I am sure your missus would have just been glad for anything keeping you up all night at your age.}

17 Jun 2018 10:10:18
I told you that in confidence ed.

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{Ed001's Note - and I am very confident we can find you the help you need. Even Pele suffered from it mate, it is nothing to be ashamed of. Ed0333 is currently in Mexico having treatment to cure his 'problems'.}

17 Jun 2018 10:43:06
I tried finding the Facebook page but keep up coming up with other Liverpool Rumours pages. Can someone add a link, please?

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{Ed002's Note -

17 Jun 2018 13:25:01
Is the game recorded and up on YouTube?

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17 Jun 2018 03:34:39
Lads, a bit Liverpool off topic - more World Cup driven.

I live in Sydney but from London, my mum is from Peru. In true World Cup spirit I bought a shirt but had it sent to my Uk address as I flew in yesterday. Shirt no.1 . It was my birthday last week and some friends bought me a footy shirt - Peru lol ( after I had ordered ) Shirt no.2

Walked into my house yesterday after 30 hours of travelling to be presented with shirt number 3! ( from my Mum who flewin from Lima last week)

Any way, anyone that saw the game was hopefully entertained and for me to watch and be so proud of our players whos were dreadfully unlucky to lose it. If we need a full back Carrillo was unbelievable!

Anyway! Hopefully you can support the Peruvian lads in the next games against France and the aussies ( sorry oz lfc fans! )

Ps well done all the charity game lads. Hamstring stopped my from playing ying this Year.

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17 Jun 2018 04:33:42
Peru are my second team at the World Cup, I hope they give France and Australia a good game.

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17 Jun 2018 07:26:16
Nicest shirt in the tournament.
And I have fond memories of Cubillas' superb free kick with his outstep that flew past Alan Rough at Argentina 1978.
I'd forgotten that Rough had a perm though.
All the best for the rest of the competition.

I wonder if Karius has a Scottish great great grandfather or something, lol?

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17 Jun 2018 08:01:41
Ok, Peru it is 👍 pretty outraged that there is no Peruvian flag on my emoji list 😡.

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17 Jun 2018 09:07:26
I thought Peru were entertaining in yesterdays game and very unlucky - ill certainly be rooting for them in future group games.

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17 Jun 2018 09:47:12
Peru were great. But of luck and they’d have won the game, let alone draw it.

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17 Jun 2018 17:43:39
They were great, fans were great, loads of fun and shame they didn't get the win. Someone needs to tell them to calm down at crucial moments. They played with so much emotion that they kept losing their head at vital times. Very entertaining though, the sort of team that makes the World Cup so special.

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17 Jun 2018 17:44:09
Nice story but i am an Aussie so the best i can offer is that i hope you enjoy the experience.

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16 Jun 2018 20:50:21
Ed2 just on a side note from the transfers.

What is the most interesting thing for you about football?

As in is it the actual game, the business, the fans, the tactics, the people you meet?

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{Ed002's Note - Over the years it has generally been the people more than anything else Niall. And, obviously the sex.}

16 Jun 2018 23:42:37
you could have met MK today, for the latter.

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17 Jun 2018 00:13:17
Ed002, but not the kind of sex that the Newcastle United team used to engaged in I’d hope!

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17 Jun 2018 09:13:48
I brought protection just in case as well.

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17 Jun 2018 09:14:51
Ha ha quality Ed002. I thought that was your agenda all along. Hands off son.

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16 Jun 2018 22:52:33
A little message from benny:

Well where do i start, been a long slog over the last 8 months, but today went of without any hitches.

Everyone turned up, which was my biggest fear, so thank you all for playing. Seeing 24 strangers instantly know each other, was the weirdest thing i've ever experienced.

I want to thank each player individually, and i hope i did that today. For here i want to thank our two captains, Pete and Ken. Brilliant role models for the rest of us today, and set the tone for a strong competitive ( but fair ) game.

£730 has been raised so far, which is brilliant, and will be split between seva and macmillan, however i want to hit my target of £1000, so if there are any last minute donations, please send them to my paypal (go fund me took £20 of the £300 raised there, not too happy)
xbox360account165@hotmail. co .uk

Thank you both for your support, I hope i did you both proud, and i hope i did Matt proud.

I'll eventually get either the whole game or highlights uploaded to youtube.

Highlights include
the 4 goals

Kens awful dive

kens "for fek sake, he's feking 12 years old"

Mk scousers one run

My second goal disallowed through a shocking call from the linesman ( make your own minds up)

BXL red nut megging someone who then subbed himself

Two wonderful speeches at the end

And many many more.

But for now. Ed002s, Walham green east wapping, carpet cleaning rodent and boggit exterminating association, ( thank god i don't have to type that for 12 more months) HOLD THE MATT HAWKER CUP ! :D

Once again, thank you to all involved and all donations.
Here's to June 15th 2019.

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16 Jun 2018 22:59:39
I plan on making 3 runs next year 😂.

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16 Jun 2018 23:22:58
I'd love to be involved next year. Well done all.

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16 Jun 2018 23:22:13
Excellent. I wish I could have watched it. I'll make it a goal of mine to attend and maybe participate next year. I'd love to meet all of you.

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16 Jun 2018 23:22:27
Heard you was Man of the match MK
best player by a country mile the crowd were saying lol.

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16 Jun 2018 23:39:25
I will get it up on youtube as soon as i can stone.

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16 Jun 2018 23:43:49
This is not a joke - ed can we get a match review?

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{Ed001's Note - I am intending to do one today, time allowing.}

17 Jun 2018 01:02:42
Thanks for all your hard work Benny, glad I was a part of it. (oh and it was definitely on side lol)

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{Ed001's Note - you have a weird way of spelling off.}

17 Jun 2018 01:50:32
Well done lads, I'd love to get involved next year.

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17 Jun 2018 05:19:15
VAR next year it seems! Well done lads and hope can make it next year perhaps!

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17 Jun 2018 09:14:21
It was a pleasure to be there yesterday with my boy and to score. Glad we raised the target for the 2 charities. Charity is close to my heart, I do a fair bit each year.

I did tell a few lads at the game my story. Back in 2012 my youngest boy was only 3 but was born with cerebral palsy (brain damage), we found a surgery in the USA that would help him have a better life, however it would cost about 80k. I posted on this site with the donation page and loads of the LFC fans helped to get to the mammoth 80k. A lot of words above but just wanted to reiterate that the ‘YNWA’ really does mean something and the ‘brotherhood’ feeling on this site.

Cheers Baz.

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16 Jun 2018 22:38:47
Skyitalia have come out and said Thomas strakosha is our next keeper target ( as I said earlier ) again close to the fee I previously mentioned. .

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16 Jun 2018 23:24:50
that seems to be the hot rumour these days. i won't be convinced until one of the eds confirms. i'm not doubting you firmino and I hope you're right, but there are a lot of rumours out there.

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16 Jun 2018 23:18:23
Anyone. Anyone who doesn't roll the ball to the opposition striker in champions league final would be an upgrade.

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{Ed0333's Note - Mark my words that kid will be one of the best keepers in the world one day. That humiliating experience in Kyiv should give him the philip and be the catalyst to go on and achieve greatness. At least he’ll never roll out a football to a defender without seeing I’f the coast is clear again and he’ll probably try and get two hands behind those long swirling shots he has an issue with, so that’s two mistakes he’s cut out for starters.

16 Jun 2018 23:49:59
Love it Ed!

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17 Jun 2018 07:06:09
That humiliating experience in Kyiv still won’t get him me ed333 ;)

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{Ed0333's Note - From the idle gossip doing the rounds I hear Karius dropped a ball on your leg too Phil.

17 Jun 2018 08:36:38
Hi ed0333, u r so smart because you know errors from GK could come from 101 sources. Oh can already name a few drop corner ball, take eyes off ball when clearing, let ball slip between legs Taibi style, handle outside area, pick up back pass etc.

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{Ed0333's Note - you could have stopped at your so smart.....

16 Jun 2018
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Carry us!

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16 Jun 2018
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, The paint is still wet, hopefully it will last until England play to give me something else to watch....

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16 Jun 2018 21:56:09
I like that Ed, well smart mate.

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{Ed001's Note - not bad for free. Though it is bloody useless until the paint dries!}

16 Jun 2018 22:06:11
Not sure which is the lesser of two evils Ed001.

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{Ed001's Note - at least when the paint dries I have something useful. When England play it gives you nothing to look forward to at the end.}

16 Jun 2018 22:08:26
Room for your picture of harry in the heart shaped picture frame as well ed 😉.

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{Ed001's Note - that has been turned into a painting for the bedroom ceiling mate.}

16 Jun 2018 22:15:22
I’m with you on both accounts there Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - never know they might prove me wrong. Though I think it is more likely that the paint never dries than England achieving anything worthwhile.}

16 Jun 2018 22:28:10
Stranger things have happened, we live I hope.

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16 Jun 2018 23:27:38
I'm an American and a lifelong England fan. I guess in a previous life I was a loyalist. I proudly wear my England colours every chance I get.

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17 Jun 2018 09:52:24
Ed001 my friend always claimed he had a laminated poster of fernando Torres on his bedroom ceiling. i really couldn’t see the need for the lamination but I admire his optimism 😂.

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{Ed001's Note - maybe he has a bunk bed as well?}

16 Jun 2018 21:15:09
I don’t really want to go into figures but realistically who is going to snap up some of our “fringe” players?
Sturridge brilliant on his day but injuries have taken their toll
Lallana another one likely to move on as he has always planned on moving back down south but again hardly played due to injuries.
Markovic need to cut their losses and let him move for the good of both parties but again hasn’t really put himself in the shop window. Clyne injury prone and hardly played
I know it’s probably been done to death by the Ed’s so not looking to inside info per say Just interested on who people think will move and their likely destination just out of curiosity more than anything else. Cheers.

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16 Jun 2018 21:45:34
I think you covered it well. Personally I want Lallana to stay at least 1 more season.

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16 Jun 2018 22:09:06
Maybe we can sell them all back to Southampton?

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16 Jun 2018 22:34:06
If I were lallana I would not want my liverpool career to end as it stands now. 2016 he was probably the best player in the league. Top 5 defo, after Xmas his and Liverpool form dropped but I often think people forget how good he was before that big injury last summer.

I think he h a d 3 good years left in him and I'd like him to spend at least one of those at anfield.

Clyne won't go, he will believe he can displace taa, I'm not sure about that but he is the type of decent squad player we talk about.

Markovic I'd gone isn't he? We signed so many players under Rodgers who never broke through, ridiculous. I'm glad klopp seems more careful about his signings.

I could see either matip or Klavan leaving if we sign tarkowski or lacselles.

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16 Jun 2018 22:54:15
I was reading a club we’re in for Markovic but can’t remember who it was. I’m hoping a club like Fulham with their wealthy owner might be interested in Sturridge or Clyne. Finally Lallana I think he will move and I do think it will be this summer I can’t see how he will get games given our new signings and the possibility of another two arriving.

In addition I’d say Ward, Mignolet, Grujic and Ings will leave.

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16 Jun 2018 23:25:12
Of our current established players that are not in the first team every week, I would most like to see Lallana and Origi staying as cover and rotation. I think they both have the ability to contribute over a season, so long as Lallana plays centrally and not as cover for out wide. Everyone knows he’s not effective out there.

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16 Jun 2018 23:28:18
That made me laught 1985, very funny.

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17 Jun 2018 01:53:28
I agree ww666, lallana is much better playing between the lines. Plays that tikky takky football well and gets stuck in surprisingly well for a little bloke.

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17 Jun 2018 06:53:31
Prior to his injuries lallana was a perfect fit for the system and would love to see him get the opportunity to to (literally) get back on his feet and be an option next season.

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17 Jun 2018 06:57:17
I would love to see Sturridge light up the SPL with Celtic but suspect he might be a wee bit too fragile for an away fixture at Dens Park. He would be immense up here tho.

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16 Jun 2018 21:03:24
Seems to be some interest from us in Strakosha. Good sized lad. Little young and would appear to be pricey but I'd welcome him. There's no value in going after Allison if he's dreaming of Madrid. Oblak is v pricey. Grujic plus £ might suit all sides.

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16 Jun 2018 21:36:05
How concrete is our interest though.

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