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15 Jun 2018 08:06:31
Would people here be happy if we signed Courtois, a year left in his contract and looking very unsettled at Chelsea.

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15 Jun 2018 08:26:07
Without doubt. He’s top class, but he wants to Spain.

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15 Jun 2018 08:28:58
I would be very pleased as I think his quick distribution would be a huge bonus. Can't see it happening though if I'm honest. I think he'll end up at Atletico Madrid if Oblak leaves, else he'll run down his contract at Chelsea.

Definite improvement on Karius though. Not world class, but not far from it either.

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15 Jun 2018 08:37:20
It has been said here over and over and over and over again.
He is unsettled because he wants to return to Spain. Liverpool is not in Spain. He will not be moving to Liverpool. Unless Liverpool moves to Spain first.

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15 Jun 2018 08:37:37
Better than what we have but still very over rated. I would rather hold off for someone world class.

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15 Jun 2018 08:54:13
Bmena we'll be waiting a long time then! I think world class keepers are pretty much limited to De Gea, Oblak, Buffon, Neuer and Handanovic. I doubt we'll be signing any of them! We can dream though 😉.

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15 Jun 2018 09:35:15
MK - Neuer isn't world class anymore. There are a lot of people here in germany that think he is overrated and if it weren't for the bayern defence (which is basically the germany defence) he would look far worse. Even Ullreich looked decent this year and he is on par with Karius.

Courtois wants to back to Madrid because his family still lives there. Its not just spain, its madrid (either clubs) he wants to go to.

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15 Jun 2018 10:30:29
I know Crammie, I was mostly just stressing that there is zero chance of him moving to Liverpool. Maybe he and Oblak will swap places, we'll see.

As for Liverpool, I'm going to start warming myself with the idea of having Karius, Strakosha and Reina as our 3 'keepers next season.

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{Ed002's Note - REina is moving to Milan; Karius will probably take the hint from the death threats and wishes that his children had cancer from some Liverpool fans as an indicator that his career is pretty much done; another side has started trying to negotiate a deal for Thomas Strakosha with Lazio already.}

15 Jun 2018 11:11:58
Hmmm, thanks Ed002, i wasn't sure Reina to Milan was final.

It's exactly that kind of abuse that makes me hope Karius stays and silences some of the scum out there.

I guess we'd be better off just sitting back and watching the goalkeeper tornado swirl around Europe this summer and see what we've got at the end of the window (Butland and Navas) .
Now that Alisson is off the table I for one am going to stop making guesses and asking you questions about 'keepers.
Thanks again, all the best.

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15 Jun 2018 11:51:51
Crammie, I still think Neuer is the best sweeper keeper in the world and for me, being the best at your role makes you world class. I know he is a touch over rated in other aspects of the game but his distribution, sweeping and leadership is still worpd class to me! Easy to forget he came in the top 3 for the Balon D'or a couple of years ago. One season out injured doesn't make him a bad keeper in my opinion. If he's not well liked in Germany anymore, I'll gladly take him at Liverpool!

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15 Jun 2018 12:43:05
Jurgen Meister I feel the same. If we aren’t going to go for an elite level keeper then give Karius the chance to shove those vile comments back down the the throats of those that made them. If anyone here hasn’t ever made a mistake in their lives, then they are lying. Get rid of Mignolet and let it be between Ward and Karius for the job.

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Review Of The Day 15th June 2018

15 Jun 2018 06:42:06
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 15th June 2018

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15 Jun 2018 06:50:46
Thanks Ed.

Did you HAVE to pick that image this morning?!

I’m so hungry right now!

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{Ed001's Note - there is a good reason to use it.}

15 Jun 2018 07:02:19
The Ed's (Ed002 in particular if memory serves) have stated numerous times that english clubs have been put off signing Grizemann because of how often he goes to the press. As someone who tries not to pay much attention to the press I've never really noticed, but my god. The sheer levels of narcissism.

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{Ed001's Note - sickening isn't it?}

15 Jun 2018 07:45:55
Now if Dundee had picked Helmut Soosage-bap, I would've been drooling!

Wilma Lettice as the physio? Not so much.

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{Ed001's Note - bap? Has to be a barm cake la!}

15 Jun 2018 07:46:40
Cheers for that ed. That Griezmann is the epitome of everything wrong about modern day footballers.

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{Ed001's Note - embarrassing isn't he?}

15 Jun 2018 07:47:52
On a more serious note, would be nice to see one or two of our youngsters going to Leeds on loan next season. Big crowds, pressure of playing for (still) a big club, and a high press! What's not to like!

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{Ed001's Note - and Bielsa <3

15 Jun 2018 07:49:39
Barm cake's a bit too posh for me. Helmut Soosage-Barm-Cake?! Double hyphen, must be an aristocrat.

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{Ed001's Note - you don't know what a barm is???? Bloody hell your education is so lacking.}

15 Jun 2018 07:49:50
Thanks Ed mate.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}

15 Jun 2018 07:53:31
I know what it is! Not much call for it darn sarth, too much of a hurry, so a bap it has to be, much quicker to order ;)

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{Ed001's Note - but baps are too small to matter and don't have the right taste. Barms are so much better. Damn I miss barm cakes and gravy and chips.}

15 Jun 2018 07:59:52
You need to experience the giant baps you get down here, especially around Ascot time!

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{Ed001's Note - they will just be fake barms.}

15 Jun 2018 08:09:39
If some of our youngsters are getting the chance to play under and learn from Bielsa, that is brilliant.

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15 Jun 2018 08:43:42
Barms are nice but Stotties are even better, imho.
And if it's raining, they're so big you can use it as an umbrella and still eat it when you get home.

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15 Jun 2018 08:58:58
Ed i loved those little extras you done on Gaza etc a while ago. Is there any chance you could add more little pieces like that at the end of the reviews? I think it would create a cult following.

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{Ed001's Note - yes mate, I fully intend to add them sometimes. I have a few bits saved up in case, but I was saving them for when there is not really enough news to fill up the review with. I didn't want to use them up and then have to chase up new ones while it is busy enough to not need filler, so to speak.}

15 Jun 2018 09:07:43
bielsa is managing leeds now? interesting that one ed001.

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{Ed001's Note - exciting mate! I am going to have to watch them next season now. There is never a dull moment with Bielsa around.}

15 Jun 2018 09:17:31
Will he be given time though?

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15 Jun 2018 09:25:06
Is Bielsa the coach the eds have been raving about for a few years?

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{Ed001's Note - yes I have.}

15 Jun 2018 09:27:52
How did he manage to create a whole documentary on two words. im staying?

Beggars belief, you would have thought with the world cup starting he would be concentrating on that.

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{Ed001's Note - it is basically a rip off of a documentary done by LeBron James (who owns a tiny part of LFC) called 'I'm Staying'.}

15 Jun 2018 10:46:09
it seems that Leeds and Forest are really pushing hard for promotion. Personally, I'd love to see them both back in the top flight.

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15 Jun 2018 11:30:20
Thanks ed appreciate the daily info.

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15 Jun 2018 12:43:10
Will be interesting to see what he can do then ed. Should be fun.

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15 Jun 2018 01:49:25
Not posted in a while and have had to change username. Anyway, a few comments:
1. Cannot understand why people are slating the Eds. They are the reason we visit the site as their info is the best. Nobody knows exactly what is going on in any club, we all rely on snippets of info and generally the Eds get it right. Without them this site is nothing but a whinge
2. Some really desperate posts re the transfers. The last 2 years has seen a massive up turn in everything. We must trust the manager and his team. what he has achieved since coming in is nothing short of a miracle. Remember we had Balotelli and Benteke!
3. Currently watching a re-run on BT sport of the semi against Man City. Our style completely out-played them. We don't need that much to equal their consistency. A 20 point margin is a lot to close in on this season but I can see us running them close. VVD has massively improved the defence.
4. we need to leave Karius alone and trust in the GK situation. We all make mistakes. He has not even done a full season so give him a break
5. Made up for KK. should have been knighted 20 years ago but I guess better late than never. For anyone who has followed footy since the 70's, he is simply the best.

rant over.

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15 Jun 2018 03:43:22
Well said.

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15 Jun 2018 05:18:32
Good post mate.

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15 Jun 2018 06:23:56
Great post, agree with all points! I'm calling something special to happen for us this season :-)

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15 Jun 2018 06:48:11
Agree with everything there mate.

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15 Jun 2018 07:04:31
My issues with keeping Karius as number 1 are as follows:
•Every football fan knows he had a howler in the champions league final and every time he throws a ball out he will be reminded
• Klopp has to win something this year or I fear for his job
• If he risks not replacing Karius and doesn’t win anything everyone will say “well the whole world knew Karius needed replacing and he didn’t do it”.

Now it’s up to Klopp to make the choice, but it is his job on the line this season in my opinion.

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15 Jun 2018 07:34:37
And replace him with who?

Personally I think the owners think they are lucky to have him and he is steering the club in the right direction amongst fierce competition.

From a business model point of view he is doing everything right in the owners eyes

I don’t see his job being on the line at all if he keeps finishing in the top 4 and amongst the champions league revenues.

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15 Jun 2018 07:56:35
GKID4, great post mate.

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15 Jun 2018 08:08:31
If we continue to play great attacking football and mount a serious challenge in the league and get through group stage of Champions League and have a go in the domestic cups then if we fall short in all competitions it should not necessarily mean we have failed and Opp should be under pressure for his job

It’s all about whether we can continue to see progress. One likely yardstick to look at will be whether player recruitment and retention is positive. If we we see top players moving on and not ring replac d with quality then the writing may be on the wall.

Spurs and Arsenal have the same issues.

Think Mourinho has one more season at United and Chelsea are in a bit of a state of flux at the moment.

If Citeh mess up I the Champions League they will not be happy bunnies.

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15 Jun 2018 08:12:28
Klopp's job is at risk? The guy who just got us to our first CL final in 11 years and has turned the team into one of Europe's most feared wrecking machines?
Are you living in an alternate reality Ron?
Give your head an almighty wobble lad.

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15 Jun 2018 08:13:09
Ron, I agree with nearly everything you said, except that I don't believe Klopp's job will be on the line if he doesn't win a trophy. He's the only one who will decide when it's the right time to go.

I do hope we win a trophy this coming season though, for Klopp's sake as well as for the club.

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15 Jun 2018 08:47:04
Spot on Ron! Atm klopp is doing fine but how many times we've seen things quickly change?

When was the last time our manager didn't win anything in 3 yrs and still kept he's job?

Klopp very soon will need to start winning trophies or else a lot of uncertainty will start btw fans and we all know what happens after that.

As for karius it's a tough tough decision for klopp to make. If he does any mistake just imagine the reaction from our fans media pundits etc.

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15 Jun 2018 09:04:19
Klopps job isn't on the line Ron mate. A really good keeper would make a huge difference but.
That post deserves a big COME ON MAN! Without klopp we would have more than likely finished below arsenal and still been struggling.

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15 Jun 2018 09:12:53
Great post gkid. Going to disagree there Ron, on Karius he’ll face abuse everywhere but that’s to be expected. It was mentioned that he has a very arrogant streak to his character so I believe he’ll improve greatly from this. And if he does improve we will have an outstanding keeper. As for klopp, 2 European finals in his tenure so far is sure to keep the owners happy. If we nosedive then there might be questions asked but so far we seem to be improving year on year. Moreover improving more than any other team.

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{Ed002's Note - The owners want to win things - unlike the Liverpool supporters they have no interest at all in celebrating coming second.}

15 Jun 2018 09:48:03
I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest klopp has to start winning things or his position as manager will most definitely come under review soon. He won't be allowed to keep spending money if the trophies aren't forthcoming soon. Questions will be asked at the end of the coming season if there are no trophies again. That would be three and a half years without a trophy and a crap load of money spent.

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15 Jun 2018 09:50:14
Ed2 as far as I know you're not a Liverpool fan but I must say you're more a Liverpool fan then some so called Liverpool fans.

Good post aoe. I'm happy with the direction we're going in. We've progressed dramatically the past couple of years and this is down to the club as a whole. I'm so grateful for us getting to that CL final, it showed how capable we are. Getting to that final is a huge achievement in itself above the likes of City, Barcelona, Psg etc. We should be proud of the club.

We're adding quality additions, additions what was drastically needed, next season we're the team to be watched. We have brought that fear factor back, any team playing us will be weary.

Trophies or not, the club is moving in the right direction. I can understand what you're saying Ron mate but personally I feel the club will stick with Klopp as long as he is moving us in the right direction, which so far he is doing.

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15 Jun 2018 10:29:17
I imagine they do ed, and it’s good to know they won’t settle for second, but I also imagine they are content with the progression the club have made this season (at least on the pitch) . I know they’ve (miss) spent an absolute fortune in their tenure so here’s hoping we do win something very soon. Genuinely enough, I am celebrating coming second this season because I think we gloriously overperformed in Europe but more than that, it was amazing to be back in there fighting for such a trophy. I’d almost forgotten what it was like to be nervous before a final. Don’t get me wrong, I want it all, I want the league and European cup but after the last decade or so, we have shown time and time again just how far off the elite of Europe we have been in almost everything we do, on and off the pitch- but for the first time in quite a while, I feel like we can take the next step and push on.

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{Ed002's Note - They are not content at all - hence their trying to buy success.}

15 Jun 2018 10:40:21
Klopp will go if we don't get top4 or a trophy. I think he will be saved with a 3rd place finish behind City and Arsenal.
As edd 2 mentioned the owners want to win things and if klopp don't deliver this year or next its bye bye Mr klopp.

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14 Jun 2018 23:23:15
It’s always great when a player really comes on and surprises you in a season - like a most improved player. Who’s your tips for next year to go to a new level and surprise us all from the existing squad?!?

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15 Jun 2018 00:31:41
I’d like Karius to be given that chance if we aren’t buying a top class keeper. Maybe Ward too.

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15 Jun 2018 00:35:58
Grujic, lallana, Joe gomez Andy robertson.

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15 Jun 2018 00:38:22
Karius hopefully. Saves us 50 odd million on a new Gk that may not even be an improvement on him in the first place.

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15 Jun 2018 00:35:04
TAA - think he is going to kick on and really develop into an excellent player.

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15 Jun 2018 01:05:04
I really like the love-in with Karius because it shows we support our team, but despite 2 seasons he's yet to show he's got it. I think we should continue to support him but going into the new season with him as number 1 when we desperately need to win a trophy, with his tendency of being erratic and parrying the ball back into play is. optimistic at best.

I think he should definitely be given a chance to prove himself again, but all players should be held to high professional standards. I'm lucky that I don't work in an environment where millions of people are watching me week in week out, but if my team had worked hard for 9 months towards a project only for me to bottle it at the end, I would be mortified by my own lack of professionalism. I will perhaps expect a bit of sympathy but not a lot of hand holding. I'd definitely feel obliged to win their respect all over again.

GK is our weakest position and we should spend all the money that it takes to strengthen it.

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15 Jun 2018 01:06:04
I rather suspect Grujic will be leaving along with perhaps Lallana and a few more. I hope Harry Wilson kicks on this coming season and perhaps as an outside bet that Origi does a great job in the coming season if he remains. On top of this I think some of our youngsters might do well away on loan.

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15 Jun 2018 01:51:27
Karius, TAA and Gomez.

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15 Jun 2018 03:44:27
Solanke - think he might surprise if we play a 4-2-3-1 against some of the more defensive sides.

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15 Jun 2018 04:23:48
Karius will surprise many and make all the slater's look stupid.

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15 Jun 2018 05:22:05
He is being slated for having a howler in the final. I really hope he has a great season, but that won’t make anyone be look stupid in my opinion mate.

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15 Jun 2018 05:29:32
i think lovren will be outstanding defender of the title winning season for us. Plus i bet on him scoring a bicycle kick goal as our goal of the season.

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15 Jun 2018 06:22:53
Who is slating Karius?
The worst I’ve seen is people saying he’s not shown that he’s good enough, hardly slating.

In answer to the question : Woodburn.

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15 Jun 2018 06:46:34
Lovren.

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15 Jun 2018 09:20:55
Salah will surprise us all next season and bring his game up another notch.

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15 Jun 2018 12:21:13
Interesting views. I hope Van Dyke just becomes a monster of a defender and goes to another level next year.

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15 Jun 2018 14:42:02
Harry Wilson, he’ll get a chance pre season as the majority of the squad who are at the World Cup probably won’t be back until the North American tour, it’s up to him to take his chance.
I also expect Gomez to establish himself as the third choice central defender and perhaps push Lovren for a starting place.

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14 Jun 2018 22:13:33
Evening eds

I heard a little while back when everyones name was being thrown into the hat of players we was signing about the young lads from burnley pope and tarkovski (if that's how its spelt) . but i've heard it again this time from a burnley source that a double swoop is very much on the cards from us for them both?

Is there any real concrete interest from us in either of them? Im a big fan of both i know its only one season for pope but the way he's matured over the season he's got a very bright future and tarkovski is still a bit raw but he will be immense next to someone like VVD

Apologies if this has been repeatedly asked.

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15 Jun 2018 00:04:56
Pope has had one half decent season in a very average career and Tarkowski is a lumpen man united supporting donkey. Not the sort of players who will turn us from also rans to champions.

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15 Jun 2018 00:42:40
Tarkowski, no. What when we have 3 better players in his position in lovren matip and gomez.

Pope though, 5 months ago I'd have said no way but his good form doesn't look like dipping.

The line between success and failure is often very thin. If Heaton had not got injured then most of us would laugh at the idea of signing pope as no1, as it happens he has kept Heaton out and for me was one of the biggest shocks last season, rivalled only by salah I'd say. The lad was great. I don't think we'll sign him, it is only 1 season but I reckon he will continue to improve and be good in Europe. Fair play to him.

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15 Jun 2018 07:55:03
Seem to remember mignolet been exactly the same at Sunderland.

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14 Jun 2018 19:49:44
Maybe it's just me but in recent weeks I've noticed a little bit more respect shown ed2's direction. Not only that but just the smallest amount of appreciation for all he does as well. As in, people actually thanking him for the little bits of info coming in. (I'm sure there have been a few trolls that haven't had their posts brought to light but there will probably always be them) I really thought the fekir issue would be the end of the site but we got through it. Anyway, enough of the brown nosing, what's happening with Allison and fekir? Twitter said it's definitely happening 😜.

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14 Jun 2018 21:08:46
Ed002 deserves respect. The bloke knows his stuff and is genuinely funny.

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14 Jun 2018 21:09:11
If Twitter says they're both definitely happening then they will. Twitter is always 100% nailed on.
Right?

would that be the goalkeeper Allison who is meant to be signing for Real Madrid?

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14 Jun 2018 21:26:36
It's good to see Ed2 getting the appreciation he deserves isn't it aoe mate.

Lol twitter is absolutely ridiculous, suddenly everybody is in the know and then you get people reading their pages, coming here and pretending to be in the know and calling pages like 'the firm' their source, as we saw from multiple people when the Fekir deal was done ;) and Lemar. Did you hear Fekir is done again and he'll be signing for us after the WC? lol how many Fekirs are we signing?

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14 Jun 2018 21:34:03
Well he knows his stuff for sure wouldn’t say he’s Comedy Central 😬 surely that accolade goes to ed025.

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14 Jun 2018 21:44:12
Oh no mate. That’s just a smokescreen. Have you not been reading the fat kid from Bolton? Nailed on.

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14 Jun 2018 23:15:26
It’s the bread. Another off-field partnership.

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15 Jun 2018 00:17:33
Haha that's it salah mate. Fekir taking the chopper to Anfield for 4th medical tomorrow morning. You heard it here first- cos I heard it on a tweet. Also, best of luck against Uruguay- get the draw tomorrow and you are half way there.

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15 Jun 2018 00:37:57
Anyone who has been on this site for any length of time knows the value, and rarity, of ED002's knowledge - when the knuckle-draggers threaten to ruin it for all the users who know which side their bread is buttered try to smooth things over. It's not the first time it happens and, unfortunately, probably won't be the last.

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14 Jun 2018 19:25:43
Just read that Fekir is set to be left out of the the France side for their opening game against Australia on Saturday.

Hopefully strengthens our case to get him for less when we go back in for renegotiations with Lyon. If so, will be nice to see Aulas get his comeuppance since he was so sure that by deferring the deal until after the WC they'd end up making more off Fekir's performances!

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not in a position of strength, not in any discussions right now}

14 Jun 2018 19:45:11
If we want him we pay up and agree with Lyon or move on it’s that simple.

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14 Jun 2018 19:52:45
So what you're saying Ed002, is that we are not hopeful in any of our negotiations at the moment? Have we let Fekir go, or am I reading to much into this.

Thanks for the brilliant work you guys put into this site. Im addicted.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained the issue with Fekir.}

14 Jun 2018 20:18:11
Maybe he’s injured.

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14 Jun 2018 20:19:47
Personally do you think the deal will be resurrected Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - See numerous previous answers.}

14 Jun 2018 21:35:08
If we want fekir we have to pay if we want alisson we have to wait and see what happens with the interest of madrid because he wants to go there. We are not in position of strength as Ed said.

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14 Jun 2018 22:47:37
He is a Lyon player under contract. They want a fee for him. If we think it's too high then we move on. it football.
For the right player we will pay over the top. (firmino for example, at the time it seemed we had paid to much)
But at the end of the day Lyon hold the cards not us, and history shows that they will only pay to suit them. imo I wish we negotiated half as well as they do.

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14 Jun 2018 16:59:37
Does Ed002 know his travel plans yet?

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{Ed002's Note - I am at home right now but not sure what the plan is.}

14 Jun 2018 19:28:00
Hi Ed002. I take it you are back in the West Country. Hope you don’t mind me asking - north or south coast? I originate from the Lizard peninsula and would love to move back home to the family. Hope you enjoy residing in what is probably the best county in England (Cornwall) but I am obviously biased
Gary.

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{Ed002's Note - the Tamar Valley Gary.}

14 Jun 2018 19:58:08
I have friends that used to live in luckett and friends that live in Torpoint. Used to get lovely steaks in the Wilcove.

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14 Jun 2018 20:54:18
So as it stands you’re attending the game?
Will get the red carpet sorted.

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14 Jun 2018 22:12:49
Will be streaming it on you tube as well Benny? Or just Facebook live?

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15 Jun 2018 02:29:08
Shame it's not the Tamar Valley in Tasmania Ed, heading back there shortly on a lovely Tourism junket sampling some of the best wines on the planet, you could have been my plus one :)

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14 Jun 2018 18:28:11
Just to weigh in on the goalkeeper situation, I’m seeing people unhappy that we missed out on Alisson, he wanted Madrid so we move on.
But I understand Alisson is a good keeper, very good in fact. But if we got him who’s to say it was guaranteed to work out? Whoever we get as our goalie next season, whether that’s karius or another will be under the spotlight from the first second. For all we know Alisson might have crumbled under the pressure.
My point is nothing in football is guaranteed even if you spend north of 60m on a player so we need to back whoever the club purchase.
Who we get is anyone’s guess but there must be more choice than Alisson and Oblak, I could be wrong but I don’t remember Ederson being a huge name before joining city last year.
Personally as long as the keeper can keep the ball out of the net and organise a defence the other attributes like distribution will be a bonus. Our keepers biggest deficiency last season was unforced errors, that’s the bit we need to cut out before we can think of a sweeper keeper and one that can hit a 60 yard pass.

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14 Jun 2018 18:33:18
I just read that the president of Roma should have said that he just said that Alisson was goung to Real in a fun and sarcasmic way.

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14 Jun 2018 21:46:49
I agree with you globally, WYRed. Klopp will stick w/ Karius if he cannot get his man or an upgrade which to me, is the right decision cos signing some GK as a bandaid is a non starter, IMO. If Karius is no. 1, we will see if he can come back mentally from what happened to him in the final BUT that will also depend on how he is received by the fans as that will be the key to all of this.

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14 Jun 2018 17:45:13
Ref the goalie situation. I'd be happy if Real go all out for De Gea after the WC leaving Navas available for a reasonable fee. That would seriously weaken one our direct rivals and at the same time I think Navas would improve us. I know he can be erratic at times but check out his 2nd half performance against Bayern in the CL semi. He was brave as you like and pulled off a good variety of stops. Definitely would give me more confidence (and I suspect our back 4) than Karius.

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14 Jun 2018 17:56:30
So you're saying Navas is better than Karius? lol please. I don't have the time to get into debate but come on man?

Karius as number 1 for me!

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14 Jun 2018 18:20:03
OP before th final, the Navas debate came up and frankly, it was a dead issue. Why? It was general consensus that Navas is poorer than Karius and frankly, Karius was judged to be better and Klopp only wanted him as his competition, NOT his replacement mind you.

He is a flapper, poor with his feet, and severely error-prone. I mean, you need to go watch his games which I have this season and he was dreadful at times. There was a game vs Betis where he was directly responsible for 2 of the 3 goals RM conceded and trust me, there is a whole lot more where that came from. So if Karius was better than Navas even by Klopp's standards before the final, what changed? The two errors he committed? So just cos of that he is now inferior to Navas? Ain't buying it.

2 errors in albeit a CL final, does/ should NOT remove from the fact that over the season, Karius was the better GK and Navas made WAY more mistakes that led to goals than Karius. In fact, Karius only made about 4 mistakes in all comps. that led to goals. Navas made 2 in one game vs Betis alone.

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14 Jun 2018 18:39:24
BRover did you see Navas against England? He was at fault for the goals again. Absolutely awful keeper and one to avoid.

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14 Jun 2018 19:04:23
Thanks Frankly for making that point and I did not even watch the England game. But don't worry, those who want just another GK (regardless of how poor he is) to come in cos they have made up their minds that Karius should be gone and are prolly not willing to give the kid a chance, will be back to tout another poor GK as a viable replacement.

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14 Jun 2018 19:17:18
Karius will never recover from that game IMO.

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14 Jun 2018 19:35:35
Karius impressed initially when handed the No.1 jersey but even ignoring the final, we need better. Albeit a decent shot stopper I never feel entirely at ease with him. I want a keeper to have a presence and organise. Stats may say he makes less mistakes than some other keepers but will he save us 10/ 15 points a season like De Gea and others? It’s just my opinion that I think Butland would be a good option. I think he is a better keeper than Karius, has experience in the prem and would cost nowhere near as much as others touted. No way a dig at Karius but if we are serious about winning the league we need better.

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14 Jun 2018 19:40:21
Karius was and never will be the answer for Liverpool. He has done nothing to suggest he can cope with the demands of playing for a club with the aspirations of winning a premier league title. A lot of posters in the second half of the season made our keeper out to be some sort of god with "world class" saves which simply wasn't the case. For me he is no where near the standard of keeper we require, plain and simple.

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14 Jun 2018 19:40:37
Ron, people said Beckham would never recover from that sending off against Argentina. As Alan Partridge said, people bounce back.

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14 Jun 2018 19:51:26
I don't see Navas as a huge improvement. He's a marginally better keeper but he isn't as suited to our style of play and he is about 9 years older.

To be blunt, I hope we go for Reina now. He's the best realistically attainable option there is and he would instantly have the support from the stands which hasn't been given to any goalkeepers at Anfield since he left.

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14 Jun 2018 19:51:47
They said Ronaldo would never recover from the World Cup final. Come on folks, you’ll never walk alone. (Unless you mess up)

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14 Jun 2018 19:54:14
And just like that I realise Reina is now pretty much set for AC Milan! Oh dear 😂.

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14 Jun 2018 20:42:38
I think pompey is right. Navas is a better keeper than karius. Much better. He has ucl winners medals, untold amount of domestic medals. What has Karius ever won? Nothing, in fact he almost single handedly lost a ucl final. I think only liverpool or mainz fans would claim Karius is the better keeper.

I never truly thought we would sign Alison. I don't mind who we sign but I really think we have to sign someone, that or give ward the gloves coz our defence needs to have confidence in their keeper and I don't see how we can have confidence in Karius. He ain't a terrible keeper but he has never really been good enough for a team with intentions of winning the league. We were only pleased migs was out.

We have a decent little defence, what we need is a shot stopper and navas is that.

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14 Jun 2018 21:42:08
Djimi Traore has a champions league medal and so does Phil Neville so that’s a non argument and a logical fallacy at best. Navas is truly a terrible keeper who would be brutally exposed for his flaws in the premier league. As England did when we played Costa Rica. He looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights whenever the ball came into the box. You could stick a log in goal for Madrid and it would likely end up getting a winners medal.

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14 Jun 2018 21:47:59
MK, another fine shout mate. I would welcome reina back and wonder why we let him go, like a magic mushroom realisation.

Do you think there's a chance?

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14 Jun 2018 21:56:42
Ron, please stop with the sweeping/ blanket statements about the future cos we all know that you nor I, know nothing about what will happen in the future or how people can bounce back.

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14 Jun 2018 22:04:58
AJGREDS, if we wanna win the PL we need better than BOTH Karius and Butland, period. Having said that, the whole "Butland is experienced in the PL or that he knows the PL" is complete hogwash, IMO. What does he actually know about the PL while playing for relegation fodder like Stoke? How is that an advantage over Karius who made less mistakes than him, had more clean sheets (Yes, that is a fact) than him in both the PL and CL (the most in the CL btw)? Sorry, that argument makes no sense.

The only thing Butland is good or experienced at is being poor, overrated, injury and error prone while playing for Stoke (he was there for a reason) while Karius came to us from Germany where he led lowly Mainz to EL footie for the first time in their history. Those are facts I put out, not opinions. Now, I am more than open for another GK, a TRUE upgrade on Karius, to come in BUT if that is not possible as it seems right now, then sorry, No Navas, a guy made more mistakes in three games (5 in total Betis, Juve and Bayern last season than) than Karius did in all the games he played in) or Butland who were he not English, no one would care for him, IMO.

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14 Jun 2018 22:51:12
Prince hendo if karious played for RM he'd have medals lol. navas is a flapper. we may as well go back to migs.

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15 Jun 2018 00:06:10
Don’t get me wrong Pepe is the best GK I have seen between the sticks since I started watching us in 94 but he was not perfect let’s be honest. FA cup final 2006, Andy Johnson Merseyside derby, last minute against Arsenal 2010. They all make mistakes but he still had a presence, respect and commanded the defence.

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15 Jun 2018 00:16:31
BRover, get your points and facts but is it fair to say that there was a slightly better defence in front of Karius? Not a witch hunt against Karius at all really wanted him to succeed and still do if he remains in goal for next season, but fear it will all end in tears.

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15 Jun 2018 00:49:12
Redhill, I can promise you that loris Karius will never play for real Madrid.

They can attract the very best players in the world. We blew everyone away in ucl but couldn't get close to Madrid. And they signed navas and continue to trust him as he's steered them to multiple thophies. He may not be the best in the world but he plays for the world's best team, he obviously has some talent.

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15 Jun 2018 06:28:46
BRover - IMO = In my opinion.

You have your opinion, you express it as much as you like. Please don’t try and prevent me from expressing mine. Debate the point not the person 🤝.

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15 Jun 2018 06:53:56
Well said Ron, 100% agree.

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15 Jun 2018 08:33:17
Prince hendo have you actually seen Navas play? Do you understand the reasoning behind why Madrid signed him? If you’d have watched Navas at any time during the last few years you’d have seen a keeper that makes epic blunders for Madrid and Costa Rica. The only reason Madrid signed him was because of how he played in the World Cup. They have been desperate to get shot of him ever since as they know what a liability he actually is.

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15 Jun 2018 10:16:02
Thanks for all the opinions. To be fair, Navas did impress me in that 2nd leg CL semi but apart from that I've seen very little - so he's probably not the solution for us. I'll defer to all your better informed views.

The other part of the post though was hoping RM go for De Gea after the WC to seriously weaken one of our direct rivals. Man U would be a lot more beatable without him. I'd love to see how they'd cope with half a season of an error prone keeper like Migs.

I'm not a Karius hater and I agree everyone deserves a 2nd chance but I can't shift these lingering doubts. There's also a case that the 2nd chance already came and went last season when Klopp put his full trust in him. Added to the stick he is bound to get around the country next year, I do wonder, as Ron does, whether himself and Klopp may feel a fresh start somewhere else would be best for all concerned. Sometimes the wisest move is to walk away and start again.

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15 Jun 2018 12:51:38
Honestly pompeyred, google ‘Navas epic fails’ it makes Mignolet look like Gigi Buffon!

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15 Jun 2018 20:56:58
Ron, no one is preventing you from voicing your opinions. You have one, I disagree with it that's fine. Lighten up, bro. It's a debate and nothing more. I get challenged all the time on my views and you will never see me play that card. Why? It's pretty weak.

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