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12 Dec 2017 08:26:54
On a light note. How good has Gomez been? He looks the part at right back, doesn't he? A few million for a player that hopefully could stay for 10 years! Bargain!

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12 Dec 2017 08:47:27
Should be playing at CB though. Lovren and Klavan like to think they're these quality ball playing CBs when in fact our best ball playing CB plays at RB. Also our best tackler. Make him Captain and put him at CB I say :)

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12 Dec 2017 09:20:15
Fenton, he will play there before long, although I reckon it'll happen in preseason. Throw him in to soon and he could lose all confidence, especially the way our defense is under the microscope at the minute.

I am a huge fan of the lad and wouldn’t be surprised if he was a future captain. He’s vocal and he has come through the ringer with his injuries so he will know it can be taken away at any point.

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12 Dec 2017 09:22:09
Fantastic to see him improve so quickly and look so assured in every game. but let's slow down and not put to much pressure on the young man.

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12 Dec 2017 09:37:34
I just hope he stays clear of injuries and keeps working hard and we have a special player for years to come.

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12 Dec 2017 11:19:23
Gomez is the future for LFC at CB, that much is clear. Lovren and Klavan are very solid at playing out of the back esp. Klavan of late. Now to make Gomez capt., that's kind of a stretch, don't you think?

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12 Dec 2017 12:38:31
That part of my reply was a bit tongue in cheek BRover! Although I do see him as a future captain for us. Has all the attributes and the quality to be a consistent starter for the next 10 years, IF he stays injury free!

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13 Dec 2017 08:57:36
Isn't he the England U21 captain at the moment?

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Premier League Match Preview Tuesday 12th December 2017

12 Dec 2017 06:56:17
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Tuesday 12th December 2017

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12 Dec 2017 14:36:12
ed, i know you don't do predictions because of luck/ superstition but why don't you do predictions for the games that don't impact Liverpool?

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{Ed001's Note - because of superstition.}

12 Dec 2017 16:27:50
Hi Ed001 sorry about your friend mate, sometimes life is just messed up. Who is the dickhead who keeps putting a thumbs down on the premier league previews. (I bet you think why bother)

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{Ed001's Note - thank you mate and it's fine I don't even look at thumbs up or down on posts, the page I see doesn't have them.}

11 Dec 2017 23:47:43
My take on the weekend.
Its no good moaning about the line up, we battered them to be fair and on any given day we'd have scored 4, we didn't and you get those games so move on and at least we got a point.
Man utd got zero points as did Chelsea, Arsenal made no ground up either, so it could have been much better but seriously it isn't that bad.
The game, poor finishing did us more damage than the penalty, Mane obviously, plus by his standards he was poor, I personally thought Ox did ok, Solanke looked dropped into the wrong game and will learn from it, plus he had zero service due to so many behind the ball.
Lovren just why, its not so much the penalty as to me it looked dubious but to let the ball drift over your head is just soft again, Gomez looks strong, i really like him and it shows what commitment and hard work can do, it would have been easy to disappear off on loan, all credit to the lad.
Robertson will do ok once he's bedded in, he'll get games while Moreno is out so we'll see what he's about soon enough.
Subs were strange yet again, Salah was dangerous again and Mane was poor so take off Salah? He must have his reasons or is he just juggling personalities and keeping everyone happy? I dunno but it was a strange one, as was Danny Ings for me after so long out and to expect him to open them up when they were pretty solid, maybe the eds can shed light on if he's likely off on loan?
Henderson, he's definitely splitting opinion at the minute, me personally i like us better without but everyone has their own ideas.
Overall can't wait to see Gomez at cb, and id hope we can get back to 3 points with a strong line up against WBA
Merry xmas folks YNWA.

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12 Dec 2017 03:04:08
Agree with most of your points. I personnaly think that even our u23 side could have bettered this everton team so no complains regarding rotation from my part.

It's not klopp's fault that Mane and Lovren did what they did. My only concern is his insistance with Mignolet (even Grabara is already better) and Lovren as the squad has better players in those positions. don't know many highly rated u23 defenders but they can't be worst than Lovren and Im not only judging by his performance against Everton.

The other thing I still don't understand is why Klopp picks Milner for CM, he can only play RB/ LB in our team. Then the back 4 can easily look like this : Milner (my pick would be TAA), Gomez, Klavan, Moreno.

Watching Robertson yesterday it's clear to see why Klopp doesn't pick him : he is too limited (not fast enough, can't dribble, can't cross precisely. ) . We clearly need fast fullbacks with offensive qualities as most of the time our ball possession surpasses 75%. And these days its very rare to see fullbacks with good defensive contributions. that's the reason why top managers just pick fullbacks with good attacking abilities (see what Guardiola did with City) . Moreno is very close to what Klopp wants (sadly he doesn't do enough in attacking positions) . However, he does very well to join the attack and recovers extremeley well.

I just wish Klopp doesn't complicate too much as that's the reason behind some wrong selections. But we also have to understand that the coaching staff spend hours of work to be able to select the team for every matches as it depends on many factors. It's very easy for us to name the starting eleven for which we don't even spend 5 minutes of our time.

Finally, I would like everyone to be cool abt the Coutinho situation. I strongly believe he will be still there atleast until end of this season. Even from an economic pov, his value can only increase during the WC so the club is in no hurry to sell. And please ignore the Salah to RM rumours. He will be here atleast for 3 to 4 seasons. We never sold any worldclass players this quick. May be Madrid will come with 300 milion in 3 years time and we still can have the same situation as Coutinho.

Anyway good to see that we can be 4th and still moan as it couldn't have been the case someyears ago.

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12 Dec 2017 03:30:52
You are spot on with many points BXL Red especially Robertson and Milner. No complaints why Robertson would never play again! Milner should be at left back
If Moreno is out!
Keeping the left back in context, Do we maintain interest in Sessengon? He would fit in like a glue!

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{Ed001's Note - why would you never play Robertson again? He can learn to improve his game and his problems defensively are fixable with intensive drilling. His weakness crossing can be fixed by coaching. I would stick with him as back up personally and try and work with him to make him better. He is very new to top flight football so he is going to be raw. At the start of the season Gomez and TAA were very shakey on the right, but both of them have improved. Moreno has come on in leaps and bounds. So long as Robertson maintains the right attitude I would say we should stick with him as Milner is no better and very similar in terms of weakness and strengths but slower and older.}

12 Dec 2017 03:49:46
Totally agree with ed001 on that, milner has played LB for us whereas Robertson has barely had chances.

Unless milner has improved that much in training which i doubt, Robertson has more of a chance to be better and we should stick to him if Moreno is out.

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12 Dec 2017 03:59:49
I don’t know how, but my gut feeling, Klopp would look into buy a left back in the summer! If Everton and their bus taught us anything it’s full backs offering no width and no outlet for attack!

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{Ed001's Note - Klopp is a coach, he can coach them to do that.}

12 Dec 2017 07:36:05
can a player be "not any worse" whilst also not being any better than another player? lol, can we just put a cat in a liverpool jersey to bring the change you all so crave and desire!?

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12 Dec 2017 07:55:10
Spot on, Ed. OP, I agree with most of your points as well. I just wanted to add that Lovren did absolutely nothing wrong on the pen. I'll explain. Earlier in the game, there was a long ball that went towards Lewin and Lovren. It bounced and then Lewin tried to bump Lovren and win the ball off him. Lovren smartly got in front of him and Lewin shoved him in the back and a foul was called.

On the pen, I agree that he got caught underneath the ball and that can happen. The most important thing was he got back in position and was goal side of Lewin. What Lewin actually did was he tried the very same thing as he did earlier, jumped into Lovren to draw the contact with Lovren's arm up hence contacting his arms and then flew to the ground. That is why it is not a pen and Lovs did nothing wrong. Those giving him a hard time cos he is a usual suspect, should watch the play again cos I felt for him afterwards. The ref got conned, simply.

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{Ed025's Note - you have to give it up you know guys, the whingeing on here by the kloppettes is getting cringesome, now im a klopp fan but his antics after the game were that of a 10 yr old girl who had her dolly taken away, you can live in a fantasy world as much as you want but that was a pen all day, 10 players out of the team are not allowed to use their hands and lovren did stupidly so he paid the price, did everton deserve anything from the game...no, but you shot yourselves in the foot and so now the whole world is against you, please show some class and stop acting like petulant children, the world does not revolve around liverpool FC and there is no conspiracy against you so its time to move on..

12 Dec 2017 08:34:45
As I said to my mate at work, I didn't think it was a penalty, but the rest of the world disagrees, so im probably wrong.

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12 Dec 2017 12:56:22
When you see it from the refs angle it's nailed on. Move on.

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12 Dec 2017 12:45:33
Everton played for the penalty. Ròoney said he had been practicing pens all week. Even when they went down 1.0 they still played the same way. Fat Sam knew that forcing mistakes from our defence is pretty easy and one long ball into the box and have your forward against lovren who always dives in to a challenge when no need clueless. It was a pen, soft yes, played for deffo. Good luck watching the bitters playing alehouse football every week, Ed25.The game was awful and liverpool should have won but to be fair to the Everton fans they have had nothing to cheer this season. I just don't want to see teams rewarded in playing that way. It's killing the game to be honest.
Happy Xmas Ed25 all the best mate.

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{Ed025's Note - the thing that gets me yso is that mourinho played the same way against you but the pundits seen it as a defensive master class, of course i dont want to see us playing that way but in our position its a case of needs must, the way i see it liverpool blew it by not playing their strongest side (a tad disrespectful) and by not taking their chances, anyway good luck for the rest of the season and all the best to you and your family for the holiday mate..

12 Dec 2017 12:50:12
Ed25, you may be a bluenose but your head's screwed on right.

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{Ed025's Note - as with every supporter there is a tinge of tinted spectacles where im concerned putney but i do try to see both sides, liverpool are miles ahead of everton in terms of ability and yes we did park the bus to get a result but at times needs must, we would have been mullered if we had tried to play expansive football against you so maybe its a compliment to you that we had to resort to hoofball and backs to the wall defending, you never know by the time we play in the cup we might have our formation sorted and players back from injury so there is a possibility we could have 22% of posession mate..

12 Dec 2017 13:20:07
I thought Klopps comments were pretty tame compared to some managers I’ve heard, with some even storming out of an interview after a match. Heat of the moment after the game, it happens. At least he shows a bit of passion. And why should these sky interviewers get an easy ride? Yes it was a penalty, a soft one at that. Seen them given and not.

You talk about whinging and whining Ed25, you should have tuned into Talk Sport yesterday, pathetic media sortsc, crying over Klppps comments rather than focus on the match discussion.

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{Ed025's Note - thats fair comment drogie, these so called pundits love a story without it pertaining to the actual match, dont let the actual truth get in the way of a good story is their motto mate..

12 Dec 2017 16:42:24
Alrite Ed025 I thought Everton got what they came for on Sunday and no one can argue with that. Everton got a couple of breaks but that is football and what every team needs when not playing well. Liverpool had nearly 20 minutes to win the game and didn't create any half decent chances in the last 20 minutes. It was hardly last ditch defending.

When Liverpool are only one goal up after 60 minutes more often that not the match will finish a draw. Our biggest problem is game management.

All the best and Happy Christmas.

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{Ed025's Note - it was certainly 2 points dropped as far as liverpool are concerned mark, the position everton are in it was always going to be a war of attrition on our part as expected, to be honest though as you say considering all the possession you had you never created that many chances and i cant remember pickford making any saves, but as they say mate...its a funny old game..

12 Dec 2017 17:42:07
Totally agree with Ed025 on this.

Definite penalty
Should have played strongest team for the derby.
Klopp needs to reign it in once the final whistle blows. The result will not change.

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12 Dec 2017 18:05:30
Ed25, I could not be bothered who we dropped points to as the points dropped are the same amount regardless of who you play so I'm not hung up on whether it was Everton or not. Your lot was not that special. Also, Big Scam said a soft penalty does not exist. Good. I will keep that quote in mind when the same happens to him. Cheers, mate.

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{Ed025's Note - it does make a difference when you live in the city brover bragging rights and all that but i know what you mean, sam was saying a penalty is a penalty and thats very true we all get some for and some against us but thats football, time to move on i think mate until the next installment..

11 Dec 2017 20:10:38
Might sound like a daft question but if a player does sign a pre contractual agreement with another club does that player become tied? I. e if we had drawn Juventus and Can had signs in jan for a summer move would he still be able to play for us?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, he would still be a Liverpool registered player.}

11 Dec 2017 20:16:15
Thanks eds.

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{Ed002's Note - The same with Coutinho and Salah.}

11 Dec 2017 20:34:20
Might be the case with Can and Coutinho but no way the club let's Salah go anytime soon.

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11 Dec 2017 20:34:53
I hope ed002 didn't drop an easter egg before christmas.

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11 Dec 2017 20:51:44
Can Couts and Salah ed? Hesus I didn't think there was any chance of him leaving in Jan .

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{Ed002's Note - Read it again.}

11 Dec 2017 20:58:21
Get ready for the meltdown in 5.4.3.2.

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11 Dec 2017 21:13:54
Right I see, I misread it tbh mate. Would be gutted if he left in the summer.

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11 Dec 2017 23:33:31
Sorry eds but from a layman perspective Cann is in a different contractual position to both PC and Salah.

PC is going, totally get that, the sooner the better for me by the way, but Salah he's only been here a couple months, is he unhappy ( don't look it) , were we always a stepping stone or does he believe his stock will never get higher than right now and it's time to cash in?

Puzzled.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about - read the original question.}

12 Dec 2017 00:01:42
Ok eds re-read cheers sorry, I just worried that Salah was mentioned again but thanks for your input as ever.

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Liverpool v Everton - A Liverpool Perspective

11 Dec 2017 20:06:33{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Everton - A Liverpool Perspective

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11 Dec 2017 20:28:01
Perfect review ed!

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11 Dec 2017 20:43:26
It’s so nice to see someone saying exactly what I was thinking about the pen! Lovren has 2 arms, one on each side. Where is he supposed to put them when someone jumps into him like that? If he gets them out of the way the 2 bodies clash and he could risk serious injury! I would also add though Ed the speed in which the ref pointed to the spot was ridiculous. He was pointing to the spot almost before Tom Daley had hit the ground! He couldn’t wait to give it. I also agree about the amount of times that happens in a game. The Salah one you mentioned and also Solanke in the build up to the Mane chance. When bodies come together you naturally put your arm up to protect yourself. It’s a world away from a straight arm push in the back. Calvert-Lewin was shameful though but he got away with it so you could say well done. I hope his team mates aren’t giving him too many pats on the back though he’ll be flying around all over the place!

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11 Dec 2017 20:57:42
Feel klopp needs to be better with his subs timing and players on/ off one area he lacks in yesterday clear we need a goal so should of seen counts and bobby come on for dom/ milner on at least 60mins get the goal then take Salah off but he sub Salah and ox off arguably are best attackers of the day. Subs are vital part of the game he needs to be better.

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11 Dec 2017 21:10:08
So true about gomez, he's starting to look so classy. Everything just seems easy for him, very rarely is he gotten the better of by an attacker, his passing out is accurate, his attacking is visibly improving every game. Best of all for me is that he is still seriously fast but he so rarely has to use his pace because of his good positioning.

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11 Dec 2017 21:10:55
Great review eds,

Having had time to think about the match, I have a feeling Klopp expected a war in midfield and put out a combative squad to deal with it, Can in for Ox would be our dogs of war midfield, maybe Can was under the weather but Ox is a unit anyway.

On a other note is Klaven the best buy of the season, does exactly what it says on the tin, 4 mill and for me our best CB (Gomez not in the mix yet)

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11 Dec 2017 21:36:29
Totally agree with your view on the penalty, what annoyed me more than the result was having to listen to Danny Murphy and Alan Shearer talking nonsense about the decision and Klopp's team selection.

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11 Dec 2017 23:10:59
Spot on Ed01.

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11 Dec 2017 20:41:12
Spot on ed01. We should've won the match easily but form goes out the window in a derby for me, so it could've been a lot worse if that dodgy penalty was a winner.

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11 Dec 2017 20:58:45
Another cracking read Ed. I'm a massive fan of Klopp but I think the selection was the key factor in us not winning. We dominated possession and were by far the better team. We know with our keeper and defence we have to score more than 1 goal to win a game. In our squad we have probably the most in form and firing front 4 in world football. Unfortunately 50% of that attacking force was left on the bench. A draw isn't the worst result but with the way Everton set up if the 4 had started Then I honestly believe we would have blown them out of the water by half time. That's my 2 pence worth anyway 👍.

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{Ed001's Note - Firmino is struggling with tiredness, as we have seen a couple of times this season, and Coutinho is not putting the work in off the ball. I fail to see the issue with resting Firmino and leaving Coutinho out in a game that usually requires fight and graft over skill.}

11 Dec 2017 21:23:53
Good review again Ed1. Who is Tris Burke?

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{Ed001's Note - great question.....}

12 Dec 2017 01:06:56
Hi Ed1.

Agree mostly except one or two points.

You have rightly pointed out Mane's mistake but it was the turning point as it had a huge bearing on the match. Thought you will mention his drama when fouled and also had his leg very high at one point but there was no contact. Looks he has not learnt from earlier incident.


Robertson is doing just fine. Once Coutinho came he tried to do all whenever he had ball in this game and in previous game. He does not trust Rob even when he is in good position and it was very visible.

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't believe Mane's miss was a turning point. The turning point was them getting to an hour still into the game and that was when Allardyce started to get them to push on a bit more.

Robertson I don't trust either. He offers nothing but wasted crossing opportunities. Every ball goes nowhere near a forward. It doesn't matter how much time he has to cross he never once picks out a forward. That has to change.}

12 Dec 2017 01:47:23
Good review Ed.

Also noticed Hendo ran the show so effectively in first half, they switch Rooney to cut out all his supply. I think that made the our play a lot less decisive in possession and we were not moving it as smoothly through the gears which made us easier to defend against.

My subs would have been Can or Gini for Milner and Firmino on for Solanke. If he wanted Coutinho on then Mane off. Easy in hindsight but we needed to add a cutting edge to score the second and put the game to bed, not take off Salah and Ox.

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12 Dec 2017 06:06:41
" Who is Tris Burke? "

He's like Kaizer Sozé 😉.

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12 Dec 2017 08:08:11
Spot on, Ed with your analysis as we had enough to win the game. I agree that the the lineup is a red herring and the media hacks focused on that cos well, you can't really focus on anything else cos we were in full control of the game and Klopp has been rotating to good effect in the last 10 games (7 wins and 3 draws) so what else can you bash him for?

However, I would like to talk about the Lovs pen issue. I agree that he should never get caught underneath the ball b4 it got to Lewin BUT you will agree that that type of thing can happen at times in games as it did with Gomez when Lanzini scored for WH. The thing is that tho that happened, Lovren made up for that and got goal side of Lewin and shut down any lanes for him to turn into.

The thing is that Lewin jumped into Lovren, drew the contact and flew to the ground and the ref got conned. I know people say that he should never have been in that position. I don't buy that as things like this happen all the time and the fact that he should not have been in that position does not negate the fact that Lewin dived and conned the ref. Your take?

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12 Dec 2017 08:12:59
As I said I wouldn't have given it as a penalty but that is irrelevant as Calvert-Lewin should never have been in a position to throw himself onto the floor.

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12 Dec 2017 08:40:50
Only thing I'd disagree with here is the comment that Solanke and Ox are not first team regulars. Solanke sure, but Ox has started 4 out of the last 6 including both of the biggest fixtures there (Chelsea and Everton) . He started slow but I think he now needs considering as an a regular, first choice, unsurprising pick in any game.

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12 Dec 2017 08:43:47
Also the Hendo comments were perfect. He gets stick for no other reason than he is not Steven Gerrard.

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12 Dec 2017 18:09:23
Hijkle, there lies the main problem that Hendo is suffering from. IMO, it has nothing to do with his ability or "leadership". It is cos he is not SG, as dishonest at that might be.

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11 Dec 2017 19:56:37
I haven’t seen Porto play for a number of years. What’s your view of them EDs? Do Liverpool start as slight favourites?

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{Ed002's Note - They are a decent side but Liverpool should beat them with ease.}

11 Dec 2017 21:04:50
Thanks for the info. Looks like we’ve had a decent draw again.

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12 Dec 2017 08:08:48
I don't know about the with ease part of your response, Ed cos they are pretty good.

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11 Dec 2017 19:08:42
I have to post this because it's really annoying me. Klopp will buy no one in January and I wish supporter's would stop saying we will sort it out in January. If Klopp buys a decent not even a world class CB in January I will donate € 100.00 to Ed01's favourite charity.

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11 Dec 2017 19:31:08
any chance you can use this crystal ball you have to tell us how are season will go. FA Cup, CL, Prem?

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11 Dec 2017 19:31:08
I haven’t heard anyone saying we will sort it in Jan and it’s not Klopp that buys players it’s the club. I’m sure he will have a list of targets in Jan, whether the club can and will buy them is anyone’s guess.

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11 Dec 2017 19:53:17
Gotta remember the big thing will be not the club wanting to buy a player but that the player's club will want to sell mid season.

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11 Dec 2017 20:33:52
Great. Make it out to Macmillan nurses. It will be a good start to the charity cup fund :)
(Vvd is coming )

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12 Dec 2017 08:10:02
OP, is it possible that you wait till the TW in Jan is over before drawing that conclusion?

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11 Dec 2017 18:20:36
Congrats to Mo 👍✌.

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11 Dec 2017 18:46:29
The guy will have to buy an extra cabinet to keep all these awards.

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11 Dec 2017 18:18:42
Well done Salah. African player of the year. BBC.

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11 Dec 2017 18:48:40
Great achievement for him and Klopp and his team mates should get credit for that as well. Now, this may explain why Mane has been so selfish as of late. He was in contention with Salah for this award and prolly tried to outdo him vs Spartak and Everton. If this is the case, I hope this ends here and both can move on cos our strength up top is our unselfishness. Once that is eroded, we are screwed and Klopp will not tolerate any of that nonsense.

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11 Dec 2017 20:55:25
This was the first thing I thought when he didn't pass in front of goal v Everton. I turned to my mate and said do you think Mane is jealous of the accolades that Salah is getting, because he definitely should have passed to him. My mate said maybe he is.

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11 Dec 2017 18:16:56
Congratulations Mo Salah. African player of the year.

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