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17 Jan 2018 17:38:45
Ed025, with the signing of Walcott to add to Lennon, Rooney, Baines, Williams and Jagielka; is there any chance Allardyce might take James Milner off of our hands to further improve your chances of winning the 2011/ 12 Premier League title?

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{Ed025's Note - no MK hes far too young, we like more experienced players so we are going for yakubu, who according to his passport is only 17..

17 Jan 2018 18:17:14
Hahahaha.

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17 Jan 2018 18:13:02
It’s Emile Heskey you need Ed! He’s a free agent now Bolton have been relegation from Champ.

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{Ed025's Note - emile (bambi on ice) is not the answer statto, we will see how theo and cenk do first before we start panicking mate..

17 Jan 2018 18:38:15
the 2011/ 12 comment made me laugh.

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17 Jan 2018 18:27:14
I thought Theo and Cenk were the panic buys!

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{Ed025's Note - no smeg they are the new keegan and toshack mate, next season be afraid, in fact be very afraid..

17 Jan 2018 19:30:44
But you said that this season Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - Inter previously asked about a loan and were told no. I am not aware of an approach to buy him.}

17 Jan 2018 19:30:44
But you said that this season Ed.

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{Ed025's Note - yeah but i was only kidding then barry.. :)

17 Jan 2018 20:13:22
Bey you’re gutted Ronaldinho has announced his retirement Ed.

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{Ed025's Note - he could be one of our youngsters agger..

17 Jan 2018 20:50:38
To be honest although the OP is a joke there is something to be taken from this, and evertons troubles are something i have seen coming for a while.

That being that moyes managed to get together a solid squad with some decent players, on the back of very lucky transfers and decent management. Everton developed a core of decent players who were in the team for many years - baines, coleman, jags, neville, distin howard etc. The problem they've had is that all these players have grown old at pretty much the same time and have not been replaced suitably. Through injuries or ageing their plights have been ignored season after season, and instead of the squad being supplemented and strengthened, with declining players taken out gradually, it has all been left til the last minute - resulting in the core of what made everton a decent team being ripped out all in one go. This is quite similar to what caused the decline of liverpool in the 90's and united recently, albeit on a smaller scale. At that point, what all those teams have in common is they have tried to solve it with panic buying and lots of money, and it doesn't work, just makes you slide even further. Just wondering what you make of that perspective on it ed025.

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{Ed025's Note - i think your spot on AW, we never had money for a number of years and were shopping at lidl while the top teams were at harrods, when moshiri came along our managers were like kids in a sweet shop buying everything that moved, this disrupted the team beyond repair and is still going on at the minute, i remember liverpool winning the league wit 14 players being used and thats the secret... continuity, we need to get a stable team and stick with it instead of these constant bloody changes so that players get to know each other, its not easy when you are playing catch up though and the microwave fans are looking for instant success, my solution would be for them to appoint me as manager mate.. :)

17 Jan 2018 21:28:04
Your such a joker Ed.

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{Ed025's Note - it stops me from crying barry mate..

17 Jan 2018 21:37:47
The only thing theo has accomplished in the last ten years is to grow a beard.

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{Ed025's Note - its a cracker though twinkletoes..

18 Jan 2018 00:23:07
1995!

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17 Jan 2018 17:10:11
May I ask a question please, excuse my lack of knowledge on this matter.

How do work permits work? I'm thinking about Marko Grujic (Good luck to him at Cardiff by the way) .

He has barely played for us, how does he still have a work permit. Now he's gone to Cardiff I'm guessing this will stop the work permit from getting cancelled? Is this why we have sent him out on loan?

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{Ed002's Note - Grujic does not qualify for a WP but one was issued to him under the "exemptions" clause that allows a club to make a special case for a player of "exceltional talent" who will be used on a regular basis - and this is what the panel told. It was of course not true but there we are.}

17 Jan 2018 17:57:13
Thank you very much Editor #2. Very interesting to know we lied to obtain a WP, might this make it harder for us in the future to obtain a WP for another player?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, otherwise Allan could have had one last summer.}

17 Jan 2018 18:36:16
Thanks again Editor, very much appreciated.

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17 Jan 2018 18:39:26
We never learn to just do business properly :c Good luck to Grujic though!

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17 Jan 2018 18:51:02
alistairLPFC, I know, it's quite concerning, it does nothing for our reputation apart from a negative impact.

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17 Jan 2018 18:52:33
Allan! Totally forgot about him.

Does anyone have any idea how he's getting on?

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17 Jan 2018 20:13:29
"Quit your jibber jabber" Mr. T and check his Wikipedia page. :)

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17 Jan 2018 20:11:37
Such a shame that the underuse and misguided purchase of what we were lead to believe is an extremely talented player (and the little we have seen seems to support this) has resulted in the unavailability of another very talented player. Had high hopes for both players. Such a waste, not just for the club but also the players. We need to stop doing this.

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17 Jan 2018 16:34:06
Has anyone noticed that the players who are not club captain or vice captain but captain us in match gets sold usually?! Suarez, couts, Torres, etc. and looks like even Mignolet is leaving!

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17 Jan 2018 17:01:48
Better keep that armband away from Salah! :)

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17 Jan 2018 17:06:03
Lovren.

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17 Jan 2018 17:28:05
No armband for Salah! No armband for Salah!

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17 Jan 2018 15:55:46
Something else i forgot to add to my earlier post, klopp is starting to add leaders to the team, ox and vvd are good examples and firmino is in the argument to be our captain too, hendo is still here and both lovren and couts raised there game with the armband.

Is this klopps ability to get players to stand up and be counted? instead of relying on 1 player to lead, of course lovrens game is flawed but he doesn't really go hiding he is there to take the critisism he gets.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont see ox as a leader myself SH but i know what you mean..

17 Jan 2018 16:51:31
Not yet Ed25 but he seems sound and think he might get there in time, he certainly doesn’t hesitate to stick up for his team mates in interviews which is a good start! Seems a smart young lad, with a grounded attitude and self aware rather than up his own backside. far from the ‘headless chicken’ or ‘lacking intelligence’ some were accusing him of.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree with that SG, i have been pleasantly surprised by how well he has done as i was one of those doubters mate, i only hope theo is as good for us mate..

17 Jan 2018 16:58:26
Lovren raised his game with the captains armband? 😕. Bet mignolet would love a death threat, seems to blur people's vision.

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17 Jan 2018 18:38:45
Was pleased to see Andy Robertson shouting orders at a few defenders on Sunday as well. Watching from the tele I can't tell if what he was shouting made any sense but am still a good sign IMO.

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17 Jan 2018 18:45:12
Saying the death threat has anything to do with Lovren's performance is totally out of order! Except of course if we say the support he got from the fans in response is what has spurred him on.

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17 Jan 2018 19:48:26
He’s saying the death threat has eased criticism from the fans and tongue in cheek saying Mignolet would want the same to happen to him.

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17 Jan 2018 20:29:09
Another classless and disgraceful post from the perennial whiner.

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17 Jan 2018 15:53:16
Danny Ings loan or cup game's?

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17 Jan 2018 16:16:33
Just sell. He is 4th choice. 5th if Origi comes back. Let him rescue his career in my opinion.

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17 Jan 2018 16:17:47
Tough call mate, we might be a bit light if he's left go - depends on other movement. Hope he gets games either way, he's such a fine young player but so unlucky with those injuries! Man, he could have been our new Kuyt if he avoided them or maybe even better.

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17 Jan 2018 16:44:25
Have to disagree MK, think studge is likely to go (either this window or the next) so him and solanke as back up to Bobby. Doubt Origi will come back either so keep him for next season. Ings coming on for bobby with 15/ 20 mins to go will give defenders nightmares.

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17 Jan 2018 17:07:52
I also think Sturridge will leave, but he is third choice so i am not worried.

Firmino is clearly first choice, Solanke is the cover. People seem to disregard Solanke just because he hasn't started lashing goals in from the off. He has a big impact on games when he gets enough time to do so. Even if it is simply by winning the ball back in the final third, creating a goal for someone else, or holding up the ball so offers can get forward. He's a great young forward and if we continue to give him games, we will reap the rewards.

I'd rather the third choice central option was someone like Brewster or Millar. They'll rarely play anyway. Maybe 200 minutes a season? So why not just get one of the young lads involved, instead of paying a squad player £50-150k to sit in the stands most weeks?

Just my opinion though lads. We've done well to get Solanke. It will be criminal of we drop him to third or fourth choice where he will never get the chance to develop. Lest we forget that Harry Kane was once the understudy to Adebayor, and wasn't even highly rated. He got a chance in cup games though and at 21 he just started scoring for fun. Solanke has the potential to be a very good striker, but he needs games. Top scorer and player of the tournament at the U20's world cup, nominated for the European Golden boy award etc. Everyone on here is quick to bang on about "patience" with a young defender or a young goalkeeper etc. So surely the same applies to a young striker?

Ings and Sturridge should be sold for everyone's benefit. Saves us £10m a year in wages, grants Solanke more game time, and they get to reboot their faltering careers. Win, win, win.

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17 Jan 2018 17:15:59
It pretty much looks like Ings does not have a future at Anfield. Injuries go the better of him. Look at Sturridge, made of glass. Sturridge never be the same again.

Best to move them on. Sad but true.

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{Ed025's Note - i have to agree max..

17 Jan 2018 17:33:16
There's absolutely nothing to suggest that Ings Liverpool career is over Max so I have to also diagrree with you there. He as a awful lot to offer when he get's back to full fitness.

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17 Jan 2018 17:51:56
If he works as hard as he has done in the past, his career is far from over with us.
Solanke is promising for sure, I just wish he used his physicality more at times, worked a bit harder like Suarez/ Ings/ Firmino do, the goals will come when they're ready.

He sometimes looks like he has switched off when we don't have the ball, needs to learn to always be on his bike as such, find space, track back, just not stand still unless he just sprinted the length of the pitch a few moments earlier.

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17 Jan 2018 18:20:11
Ings is too good to sell.

I just hope those injuries haven't affected him too much.

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17 Jan 2018 18:31:05
Exactly Davey!
He deserves to be given some time, he's only 25 if I'm not mistaken, so can still make a solid career with us.

If he had scored when he came on late against Everton the other week in the draw, he'd have been featured in more games since, I'm sure about that - football is all about luck sometimes, both individually and as a team, right place, right time etc.

I'm also sure that genuine LFC fans will be keeping their fingers crossed for him and genuine football fans generally after what he has been through.

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17 Jan 2018 19:08:27
Have to disagree with you mk also. Behind firmino Ings is our next best striker. Sturridge doesn’t seem to suit our style and has lost something, hopefully he can get his career back on track somewhere else as I like the lad and want to see him play regularly. Origi I don’t think suits us either. Solanke is unproven and needs easing in, I think to much pressure will ruin him. And then we have Ings who was breaking into the England team before his injury, he’s proven in the premiership at Burnley. His work ethic is equal to firmino although his skill level isn’t however I’d say he’s more of a natural finisher.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont get this love for ings all of a sudden hes not getting near the first team anytime soon, hes a stopgap, a player who will get on the bench if you have a massive injury problem and nothing more, harsh i know but true..

17 Jan 2018 19:34:57
It's just he's had a really crap time of it and most of us would like to see him given a chance.

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17 Jan 2018 19:50:39
I would rather see Studge go before Ings but that purely because I haven’t seen enough of Ings to judge him, Sturridge on the other hand is past it, it’s so hard to watch him as he was brilliant a few years ago, his body just isn’t up to it.

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17 Jan 2018 19:59:09
His work rate is unbelievable and that for me puts him in a higher category of player, it also suits Klopp's tactics. Kuyt was hardly world class but when for, he played in our side.
He was part of arguably our strongest side for years between 2006 and 2009, we should have won the Champions League final in '07, fantastic squad we had then. Ah the memories lol.

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17 Jan 2018 22:32:49
I think we should keep him and let him build his fitness with a view to next season. He’s had horrible luck. If, come August he’s not back to himself then sadly time to sell him.

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18 Jan 2018 04:10:58
Don't agree with you on Solanke Adam - he has been given a fair number of starts and sub appearances and thus far has flattered to deceive. He has scored no goals, has not looked that effective linking up with team mates, has not really stood out for either his pace or skill or strength or anything - sure give the lad a chance, give him time to develop, but if Firmino gets injured is he the player we are relying on to pick up the slack? Sorry but not sure he is good enough right now and it remains to be seen if he will become good enough, I'm not that convinced by him.

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17 Jan 2018 15:57:09
Never rated Can, and suspect the resurgence in his game is due to a need to either sign a new contract or get a good suitor, he lacks consistency. But with competition for playing time, i see him (and the whole team) improving. Moreno has improved with the coming of Robertson, Klaven is a better defender with the signing of VVD, however, we just have to pray Milner, Hendo and Lallana up their game with the coming of Ox (and Keita)

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17 Jan 2018 16:10:13
Never rated Can? Have you not watched many games live?
He's been excellent in about 80% of matches since he came. Very underrated player, maybe you'd have to go to live matches to see this, but he works his socks off and is going to be a big loss if allowed to go.

Unless Klopp has a masterstroke up his sleeve to replace him, I'd give him a new contract in the morning.
Keita is not his replacement.

VVD and Klavan haven't even played together yet, so easy with the jumping the gun on that one - don't get me wrong, I defended Klavan on here last summer when everybody ripped him a new one for two errors in pre-season matches ("Mr. Dennis" being one of his harshest critics if I'm not mistaken, my apologies if wrong on that), but VVD needs time to settle too and is not responsible for Klavan or his individual performances mate.

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17 Jan 2018 16:17:37
Can splits opinion for sure. On his day he can be great but he still ball watches and gets caught out too often. I can see why Klopp doesn't completely fancy him. Get rid move on is probably about right.

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17 Jan 2018 16:32:05
When he went off against City our midfield fell apart.,

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17 Jan 2018 17:57:04
I don't know where the talk of this Can resurgence has emerged from, he had one decent game against City, whereas for the last few games beforehand he's been lazy and lacking any enthusiasm on the pitch. Good player, but still has a long way to go.

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17 Jan 2018 18:05:04
he has a great game 1 in 8 games. that's not good enough for Liverpool.

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17 Jan 2018 18:16:36
If he's that bad, why is he picked in practically every match he is fit and even started when ill?
Why are the top team in Italy and one of the best in Europe trying to sign him?
Does he not get in the squad of the world champion International team regularly?
He must have "a long way to go" alright El Maestro, pull the other one man!
Luckily, you don't make decisions at the club.

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17 Jan 2018 18:45:59
He's not that bad Kev. He's just not that good - or consistently good, anyway.

A) our options in midfield are limited at the moment
B) it's a slower game in Italy and teams are more compact than ours
C) the German team has changed since the World Cup and he doesn't have too much competition in that position.

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17 Jan 2018 18:47:02
I rate Can pretty high tbf, has a complete game i think. He bags some goals, can pass, tackle. Still let's lapses in judgement get the better of him, but he's still quite young.

My favourite thing about him, maybe barring Gigi sometimes is no other of our cms really pick the ball up and drive. in terms of getting the ball forward he's the best we have in the centre. Hendo is very sideways and backwards and doesn't have the same legs as emre.

I think he's our best CM, though OX put in a shift last game, not a massive fan still but he was a beast so that said if can does go and Ox finds a similar consistency it might not be too bad letting him go. I just prefer CMs who try and drive a little, Hendo and Milner aren't quite as forward thinking. Not bashing them But with our front 3, you'd want the ball up there!

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17 Jan 2018 19:20:33
Can's problem is he hasn't improved a whole lot since joining. He's still an inconsistent rough diamond who you think will become a proper player with a bit more experience and game intelligence. But we've been thinking that for three and a half years and over 150 appearances. He struggles to put in good performances on a consistent basis, he still doesn't seem quite suited to being the "pivot" or "no.6" or whatever you want to call it, and even when picked alongside Henderson and given more freedom to play his attacking qualities manifest infrequently.

I get he's only 24, but he still seems to be largely the same player that he was when he was 20. Makes me think he's liable to still be the same player at 28.

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17 Jan 2018 19:23:10
He has no consistency, that’s why he splits opinion.
You can’t have such inconsistency in a title winning team, if he goes then good luck to him, if he stays he might not get as many games because of his inconsistency.
Personally, I think he’ll go. 🤝.

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17 Jan 2018 19:23:12
Easy to forget can is only 23/ 24 will only get better and being a little inconsistent at that age am sure can be forgiven.

Other hand if he wants guarantees and is a little inconsistent I can understand lfc not giving into demands.

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17 Jan 2018 19:52:09
Yeah of course he'll go because Liverpool fans don't appreciate him.
He's a top talent being linked to many top clubs but somehow he's not good enough in some eyes here.
Mystifying that!

Okay so let's say he's not good enough, who do we realistically replace him with? Don't say Keita or Goretzka as they're hardly proven and are even younger or more raw and inconsistent.
Fire away!

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17 Jan 2018 19:57:16
I’m not sold on Can and I think people’s judgement are being blurred slightly after a great performance on Sunday.
In my eyes he has everything in his locker to be a top player, physically he is a beast, great engine, good in the air. I just feel he isn’t disciplined enough to be a holding midfielder and daudles on the ball too much when going forward.
I do hope we keep him as he is still only young and should improve but I won’t be crying myself to sleep if he goes, it will just be a little frustrating that he will go for nothing (although the money isn’t going in my pocket) .

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17 Jan 2018 20:09:05
Not just the City game, I didn't even notice much difference in that match to what I usually see from him in fact.
Robertson was the man I noticed in that game - phenomenal!
Can wouldn't be in the team line up each week if only good against City.
He does a lot of unnoticed donkey work, he's a physical specimen and we badly need that physicality in our midfield.
He has a lot of required attributes in fact.
We'll regret it if he leaves and isn't replaced like for like.

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17 Jan 2018 20:11:05
It's not easy to fully appreciate someone who only shows what he can do every so often. We all want him to be as good as we know he can be but he flatters to deceive and frustrates a lot of the time. As has been said, he has all the ingredients but forgets to turn the oven on a lot of the time.

As for a replacement. It depends on the shop you want to buy from and how expensive it is. I can't say I've seen enough of any players to go 'him', except Veratti maybe. That may be a pipe dream, however. Our scouting department should be able to find someone though. If, in all the world, Can is our best option for our budget, then something is wrong.

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17 Jan 2018 20:22:51
You've made fair points Wellred but we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
Veratti is a fine player sure and even if he wanted the move, it'd frighten me - can you imagine him at 5 foot 5 defending set pieces, we'd get crucified all over again at them just after we kinda addressed it with Van Dijk?!
We'd have only 2 centre backs and a Keeper over 6 foot at that rate unless you play Gomez at right back.
For me, Can is a perfect type of midfield player for us right now.
Henderson would be moved on if up to me.

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17 Jan 2018 20:31:09
Fair do's mate. It's all about opinions after all! You are right though. Some extra height would be good.

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17 Jan 2018 20:38:05
Can is in the team every week because there isn't anyone better at the moment and I’m not sure top clubs would be interested if he wasn’t available for free.
I do think he could one day click and be a top player but for me he isn’t at the moment.

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17 Jan 2018 21:50:39
Fair play Wellred, absolutely right mate - all about opinions, we're probably both wrong at the end of it all :)

Cobra, he simply wouldn't be available if his contract had time left on it - that should tell you everything you need to know. Klopp plays him and has done so for nearly 2 and a half years, so must rate him, otherwise he'd pick Milner over him wouldn't he and I'd prefer to go on Klopp's judgement?!
(He even moved him back into midfield from Center Back remember - Good old Brenda nearly killed his career with that move. )

Milner has only just turned 32, not like he a write off - Can is a better midfielder, he gets in the Germany squad, sometimes even into the team, not a single other central midfielder at LFC right now could do that and they're defending world champions mate.

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17 Jan 2018 14:57:02
Dear all, haven't posted in a while. Absolutely buzzing after beating Man City. I'm actually in the Andaman Islands and they only have 2g and all Internet is practically non existent so I've not watched the highlights yet. Absolutely dying to see them. This website is one of the only websites I seem to be able to load onto my phone as it's pretty much just text it's low size. You lot are my only connection to the outside world of football!

Question for all or Eds. I read that Emre Can was seemed as not good enough for Klopp or Klopp didn't really fancy him as the main reasons behind him not renewing his contract. Do we know of Klopp has had a change of heart and sees him as a much more integral part of the team? I know we've got Keita coming in but can't help but feel we need to keep him as he strengthens our centre midfield by a long way at the moment.

Thanks guys and keep all your banter and conversation on as other than reading game of thrones I've got nothing on this island (other than hammocks and snorkeling)

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware as that being the reasoning of him not signing his contract - he was asking for assurances over playing time and some financial matters.}

17 Jan 2018 15:18:44
Okay thanks Eds number 2 I believe it was Macca who originally said Klopp didn't fancy him last summer.

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17 Jan 2018 15:24:40
I believe he is referring to when Macca mentioned Klopps views on Can as a future player in his team.

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17 Jan 2018 15:27:53
Hi Jah, i think it was macca (the resident ITK) who said Klopp doesn't fancy Can and that is why he was opting to leave the club. He still seems a bit slow and sloppy to me and the odd good game isn't good enough so if he does stay i hope he steps up a notch. You'll enjoy the city highlights i'm sure, maybe if you stand on a hill and hold your phone above your head at a certain angle you can get some youtube clips haha
ynwa.

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{Ed002's Note - One wonders why he keeps playing him then?}

17 Jan 2018 19:05:18
I'm sure macca is wrong sometimes what he says shouldn't be taken as gospel. As Ed002 says. Why would Klopp play him 90% of the games since the dispute if he doesn't fancy him.

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17 Jan 2018 19:28:47
Hi Jah, good on you for posting mate 👍

I’m not that comfortable calling Macca the resident ITK. I doubt Macca would want that label to be honest.
There are a lot of great posters who know more than the average well read fan and we’re grateful for all their posts. We should not forget dear Ed002 who posts his football knowledge freely and it is not the stuff most fans are exposed to or have access to.
I’ve learnt a heluva lot from Ed002 and indeed Ed001 for which I’m very grateful 🤝.

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17 Jan 2018 19:36:48
I still envy you Jah even though you only have 2g internet
Andamand . wpw.

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17 Jan 2018 14:19:46
What now for ............

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{Ed002's Note - I would like to avoid this subject Barry.}

17 Jan 2018 14:33:39
Sorry Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - No need to be sorry but there has been a bundle of ill-informed posts.}

17 Jan 2018 14:38:38
Ok gotcha buddy.

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17 Jan 2018 13:03:47
Anyone think Firmino could be our captain or vice captain within the next 6 to 18 months?

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17 Jan 2018 13:10:01
Not me, Olirish. He is a forward and needs to focus on what's in front of him and not bother about anything else going on behind him. CM's and CB's should be capt. IMO. Hendo is capt. now and by all accounts, that won't change and I'm cool with it. We have bigger fish to fry.

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17 Jan 2018 13:13:07
I really think it depends on what the future holds for Henderson. But at det moment we have a couple of potential caps I think. We have seen VVD got potential and Can if he stays. Ox is proper captain material, but I don't know how vocal he is and the same goes for Firmino. If we should be so lucky to land Alisson i the summer, he would be an option too.

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17 Jan 2018 13:13:55
A captain needs to be able to control the situation on the field and if needed, calm things down. Firmino has the most bookings in Europe for excessive goal celebrations over the past couple of years. Great player but let him get on with what he does best.

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17 Jan 2018 13:33:31
None of our front 3 should be captain or vice captain. Let them be free to do what they do best without additional responsibility or pressure being heaped on to them. Hendo is unlikely to be a first tema player next season if Can extends his contract with us so the likely options would be VVD, OX or Can.

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17 Jan 2018 13:43:00
Firmino is also the closest we have in the team to being a born winner. I don't think it matters what position the captain plays. As long as they lead by example, talk to their team mates etc.

I actually disagree partially with the whole notion about a Keeper or centre back being captain. Whilst they are in the best position to see the game, i would be really concerned if a player in a position which requires the most concentration was trying to analyse the whole team.

I was captain as a striker and i could see everything, because i was high up the pitch near to the half way line, and it didn't matter if i was watching my team mates and not the ball.

Ultimately, i don't think it matters. The best teams have leaders all over the pitch, and fir me the captain should be the player who everyone respects, and who sets the right example on and off the pitch. If you need a player to shout at you and tell you where to stand, the captain isn't the problem, the positionally inept player who needs baby sitting is!

Just an alternate viewpoint though. There is no right or wrong here.

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17 Jan 2018 13:44:33
If Can stays I reckon the next captain might be him. I know it’s a long shot but I haven’t given up hope that he might stay still.

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17 Jan 2018 13:53:25
there should be 11 captains on the pitch. Its shouldn't matter who the captain is, any players on the pitch can and should have the same impactresponsibilities.

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17 Jan 2018 14:20:35
There needs to be a distinction between field general and leader. If it's someone you want to notice trends in the game, kind of like a middle line backer where he stands in a good position to view the whole field, gives tactical instructions and orders. But if it someone you want who when the chips are down and you want to hear someone support, you wanna hear a red voice then does that person need to be analysing the game to say come on lads let's get stuck in. Vocal support can come from anyone, the right back, the physio, the fans. But field generals and tactics only come from special/ certain players, so what do we want?

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17 Jan 2018 14:29:20
The captain is hugely important, both on and off the pitch. You only have to look at the most successful teams to have graced the premier league and you'll see each of them have real leaders at the helm (Keane, Adams, Viera, Terry, Gerrard) .

It's even more vitally important I feel in the modern game with the influx of foreign players and the turnover of players. It's not just on the pitch, but a big part of it is off the pitch, ensuring the players understand the ethos of the club and what it means to represent the club and it's city (in our case) .

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17 Jan 2018 14:58:57
All them Premier League titles we won with the great Steven Gerrard. All hail!

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17 Jan 2018 15:13:47
I’d say you need leaders al across the pitch and we’re slowly getting that, henderson, VVD, chambo, Firmino, even Lovren at times, acting like they do for the team, on the pitch, off the pitch.

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17 Jan 2018 15:16:36
If we are serious about winning the league or any of the other competitions we participate in each and every player who crosses that white line to represent Liverpool football club should be a General.

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17 Jan 2018 15:20:15
It’s obvious isn’t it? Karius for captain. I’m surprised any of his disciples on here haven’t thought of it first.

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17 Jan 2018 15:20:55
More inclined to believe this post is about him captaining the club a few times before we sell him rather than a genuine question - hard to discern what's a joke by text.

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17 Jan 2018 15:26:13
The way Klopp has been rotating captains and winning recently would imply its less about the captain so long as the team has a clear style of play and everyone is committed and plays for each other. While I’m happy with Hendo remaining captain though, in the long term if he continues to struggle with his injuries we may need to rethink things. Personally I think in time Ox may develop into a leader in time, but not yet. I would reckon perhaps VVD after he’s been here a while if he can prove himself.

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17 Jan 2018 15:30:32
Got two good laughs there, Gerrards inclusion and the MKS wonderful retort.

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17 Jan 2018 15:37:57
Interesting view points from all.
Who is Barcelona captain these days?
Messi.
Ronaldo for Portugal.
Maradonna in the past for Argentina.
Gullitt for The Netherlands when playing in a more forward position.
The list goes on and they were all quite successful.
Surely it only matters if the captain has the respect of the players in the dressing room, regardless of playing position.
I agree about Van Dijk being a strong candidate potentially.
Of course Henderson might not go anywhere but if he does, then I genuinely think Firmino would be in with a shout.
He covers every blade of grass and has done that from day one here which other players would respect 100%, maybe he's not the most vocal sure but anyway I thought it might be an interesting debate, thanks!

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17 Jan 2018 15:59:26
From the way he conducts himself both on the pitch and in interviews, don't rule out Chamberlin for the role in the future.

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17 Jan 2018 16:15:27
Yeah, you may have a point hjikle.
He has proven the "experts" on here wrong, so happy to see them quiet for a while, who will they pick on next before he even kicks a ball in anger for us?!
Fickle Liverpool "fans" at their finest.

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17 Jan 2018 16:26:51
Easy McGoveb, Liverpool were one of the most successful Premier League teams with Gerrard as captain. 0 league title, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup and 1 League Cup in about 12 years.

Just to add that at times in our past, our captains have included Liddell, Dalglish, Rush, Barnes etc. I personally think too much emphasis is placed on the armband now. If it wasn't a requirement, I'd do away with it and say to the team "you are all supposed to be leaders".

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17 Jan 2018 16:50:15
I think Carra would've done a better job at captain then Gerrard personally.

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17 Jan 2018 16:58:59
Agreed Spooked, if there wasn't the risk of him being even more pumped up and getting sent off far more often, then yeah I think you could well be correct.
I think they played good cop, bad cop pretty well regardless though.

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17 Jan 2018 16:36:09
I wouldn't want to add captaincy to Bobby's list of responsibilities, I want him to continue to become the all action hero he is well on the way to being.

For those of you of a certain age, remember what captaincy did to Ian Terrence Botham 36 years ago?

My picks, if Hendo sadly has to move on/ play less because of his injury, would be VVD or the Ox. Both have a certain something about them that screams command and demands respect.

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17 Jan 2018 17:09:31
I don't think Carragher cared. He was a leader regardless of whether he had an elastic band on his arm.

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17 Jan 2018 18:00:28
Ian Botham?!
Ah stop now, really?!

Just because one person failed at something, doesn't mean it'll happen to another.

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17 Jan 2018 18:20:20
Carra did not need an arm band to tell everyone why he thought!

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17 Jan 2018 18:52:55
Don't care. Didn't even realise Lovren was captain 'til half time on Sunday. Too much is made of it nowadays. They all should be responsible for eachother. The captain's job is now to flip the coin and liase with the ref, if necessary.

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17 Jan 2018 12:56:19
I watched the film Kenny today. The man is true gent and deserves the term King. A really good watch if you get the chance.
Cheers.

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17 Jan 2018 13:43:42
I hope he gives his blessing to Elizabeth soon. She deserves a knighthood.

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