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21 Mar 2018 08:10:09
If I were making decisions at Madrid, I'll go for Bobby at the end of this season to replace Benzema. He does what Benzema does for Real/ Ronaldo and more.
Then Salah at the end of next season.
Of course, I sincerely hope neither leaves.
If Alderwereld were to be available for a "reasonable" price and considering a CB isn't exactly a target, who thinks we should go for him?

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21 Mar 2018 08:23:51
I'd love to sign Alderwereld, at any price, he really is top notch.

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21 Mar 2018 08:47:18
I have gone off Alderweireld to be honest. In my opinion he is one of the best in the world when fit, but he is nearly 30 now and constantly injured. He's missed 38 games since the start of last season. That is a shocking statistic.

I'd bet he will cost close to £50m. Is somebody who plays 25 games a season worth that kind of cash? Partnerships are vital and you can't build a relationship if one half of the partnership is never fit. I really rate him, but I think Liverpool missed the boat 4 years ago when he should've been signed. It's not a worthwhile risk anymore for a position which isn't a priority.

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21 Mar 2018 08:59:56
I didn't realise he'd missed THAT many games MK, so fully understand what your saying. I now retract what I said previously on that alone lol.

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21 Mar 2018 09:06:37
Agree with MK - Alderweireld is the best around when he's fit, but I didn't quite realise he was injured consistently to that extent. That is Sturridge-level injury proneness.

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21 Mar 2018 09:37:10
Alderwereld is available and would end up at UTD partnering Bailly.

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21 Mar 2018 11:07:41
It's been bad in recent years. He missed 8 games in the 14/ 15 campaign, 9 games in the 16/ 17 campaign and 29 games this season already.

When fit, He's arguably the best right sided centre back in the World. I fully understand why people would want him. If we weren't in such dire need of more stability at the back, I would say he was worth a gamble. At 29 years old and having suffered two major hamstring injuries and 1 major knee injury in the last 4 seasons, I'm just not sure how much longer his body will cope with the Premier League.

The reported figure is £44m but we all know that there will be agent fees, signing bonuses and other hidden costs that push the real transfer over £50m. Considering we have priorities at right back, goalkeeper, and midfield I just can't justify the risk. I certainly won't be upset if we did sign him! I'd be excited to be honest. It's easy to be flippant with £50m when it isn't coming directly out of your pocket though!

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{Ed001's Note - to be fair, a number of the games this season have not been because of injury but because he has not signed a new contract, so Pochettino is phasing him out ready. If he signs he will be straight back into the team. He has been fit for weeks now.}

21 Mar 2018 11:41:24
29? Young for a CB these days. He could have 5 seasons at the top.

For me the plan should be to integrate Joe G in as centre back. VVD has a few years on Toby so he’s long term. Toby even with his injury issues would be ideal for us. Joe G would rotate with him, extending Toby’s career whilst building up Joe’s experience playing with VVD.

33% cheaper than VVD? I’d sign him up, good player and experienced in premier league.

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21 Mar 2018 11:52:10
I think that 29 games only includes time he wasn't in full training Ed. It stated that he has been fit since March 11th. It could be wrong though, if He's actually been fit for longer than that. I would still be concerned about his mentality if he can't get himself together to play every time he wants a new contract!

Great player who would improve us instantly, but he does have a bit of baggage attached in the form of injuries and attitude. I guess Virgil did too though and we still shelled out a reported £75m for him!

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{Ed001's Note - you are missing the point or not reading what I typed properly. He is being left out, like Danny Rose, not because of his head but because Poch is freezing them out.}

21 Mar 2018 12:24:13
If a top class centre back is available, we have to at least try to get him. However I honestly don't see us signing a centre back this summer as we have other positions that are of higher priority.

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21 Mar 2018 12:11:32
Ahh I misunderstood Ed. I thought you meant he was refusing to play to get a new contract.

Fair play to Poch if that is the case. It doesn't seem very clever on the face of it to cut your nose off to spite your face, but it does send a message out to the squad that he won't tolerate a lack of commitment on or off the pitch.

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{Ed001's Note - does it? I fail to see how. It just seems like he is wasting their best assets by having them sit on the bench while players that are simply not good enough in Davies and Sanchez are playing instead. For me, the reason they are not second again is because they have not had Walker, Rose and Alderweireld for most of the season, for varying reasons and had to make do with inferior players. Markedly inferior.}

21 Mar 2018 13:03:25
I guess it's the old catch 22 with young players ed001 - when do you give them the chance to develop and when do you need your best team out there no matter what (more regarding Sanchez than Davies) . I guess at the point where the title became a pipe dream and 2-4 doesn't make a huge amount of difference Ponch decided that developing for an undisrupted next seasons title chanllenge was the priority (possibly also having heard that he would not be able to reinvest all the money on a new CB so would be dealing with a potentially inferior option there anyway) .

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{Ed001's Note - but Sanchez is not a good player and no amount of development is going to make half the defender Alderweireld is. And you are wrong, it was the moment Alderweireld rejected a contract offer his die was cast.}

21 Mar 2018 14:16:42
If Alderweireld is available then we would be nuts not to at least make an enquiry about him. When fit, is one of the top two CB's in the Premier League, IMO.

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21 Mar 2018 14:50:59
Give potch lallana and we take alderweireld. Win win for everyone.

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21 Mar 2018 15:22:34
MK, I would take Toby tomorrow as he is better than all of our CB's and is a leader on the pitch. He's the reason why Spurs are very solid cos when he plays, there is a diff. look to Spurs defence. His replacement Sanchez is a donkey and tho young, he'd better improve big time.

Also MK, Ed is correct. Toby, Walker and Rose, are a big reason for the Spur resurgence recently. That much is fact. Now, if Poch is freezing them out cos they refuse to sign a new contract in the case of Toby and Rose, while playing donkeys like Aurier, Trippier (in place of Walker), Davies (inferior to Rose) and the perennially awful Sanchez, then that is poor management esp. if Toby has been fit for weeks. Why play inferior players just to prove some stupid point? It's as if Klopp benched a fully fit Can who can play and help us quite a lot this season just cos he's off in May? That would make no sense.

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21 Mar 2018 17:27:55
Alderweireld won't sign unless he gets paid the same as Van Dijk, according to the Echo. You really can't make these things up. oh wait.

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21 Mar 2018 17:42:13
BRover but spurs are ahead of us. Aren’t they? Those donkey players have been good. You are calling evetyine donkey lol! According to you nobody beats Klopp lol!

Well Poch had the balls to drop big babes who did not want to sign an extension and commit to the club!
Don’t we hate Sterling for the very same thing Rose did?

If someone doesn’t want to commit to the club then they can go! It’s your own words!

So if Salah gives an interview to Sky on wanting a huge pay raise, Would you play him?

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21 Mar 2018 08:07:36
My take on things, Salah could be special, obviously he needs to prove it over more than one season but the foundation is definitely there. He reminds me of ronaldinhio to a degree, before everyone gets up in arms with comparison, I say that in the sense everything he does looks effortless and he does it with a smile on his face. He just loves to play football and in this day and age, it's a pleasure to watch. He may go on to smash every club and league record, he may not, but let's just appreciate what he's giving us now. And quick note, he may have been able to do this at Chelsea but he didn't have Bobby and Sadio alongside him, as magic as Mo is, take nothing away from his forward line because without them, he wouldn't be anywhere near the tally he is on. YNWA.

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21 Mar 2018 07:04:38
Can update: He had an interview with the Süddeutsche Zeitung which is a newspaper here in germany.

"I know that my abillitys are sufficient enough for me to play for a top team. For me the most important thing is to be an important part of a team and that the team will win titles as it is the best rewards for playing well. Bundesliga? Sure, why not but it has lost quality over the last few years. I enjoy playing in the prem as it suits my playstlye quiet well but i don't want to rule out other leagues as well. The La liga is very appealing. Same goes for the bundesliga, which is very tactical and also the Serie A and Ligue 1 cought up over the last few years. I don't want to rule out anything because i don't know what i will do in the Summer. "

He goes on talking about his life as a footballer and about his parents which is a good read but im not bothered trying to translate it (as my translation above is dodgie enough)

Looks like he is keeping his options open but i get the feeling that he made up his mind about not renewing his contract.

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21 Mar 2018 07:31:08
Really not bothered to be honest. He's so hot and cold, a bit like Gini. The question is, is he the type of midfielder that would help us win the league? That's the question I ask of any potential new signing. Keita? Hopefully. Hendo? debatable but I'm a fan. Ox? time will tell. Can? I doubt it. Consistency is his problem and as stupid as it may sound, I'd gamble on Grujic over him.

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{Ed001's Note - why Grujic? I do not see anything in Grujic to suggest he is any good at all.}

21 Mar 2018 07:57:51
My feelings are he will go to City. I have said it for months now and with his agent saying waiting until summer (when he can sign for premiership teams! ) Will be disappointed but as the Eds say that's football.

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21 Mar 2018 08:08:20
I still believe he will stay in the Premier League. He's undecided but (if the translation is accurate) he's open to La liga more than the Bundesliga or Serie A. I think his first choice is Real Madrid but he will end up in ManC. In the end, the $ always wins out, and ManC pay very well.

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21 Mar 2018 08:13:52
I think it is a blessing in disguise that we would go and we will go for someone else that is more a more complete holding midfielder.

He's good on this day but we really need someone better. And also I do not think Keita is the alternate. He would be one of the advanced midfield players in the 4-3-3, has never been a holding / sitting player and would also be wasted as a holding player.

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21 Mar 2018 08:28:08
If we had to play Man City with Can in their midfield i don't see our players quaking in their footy boots.

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21 Mar 2018 08:28:35
Can, Grujic and Lallana are goners in my opinion. Can wants too many promises, Grujic needs too much game time, and Lallana talks too much and has as many red cards for the u23's in the last 15 months as he has managed goals + assists for the first team.

Milner I think Klopp will want to keep, but I expect James himself to want to move on.

In terms of replacing Can? I'm certain that will be Naby Keita who will step straight into the starting XI in his place.

Replacing Grujic would be pointless as he never plays anyway.

Replacing Lallana is a little bit harder to call as we've shown interest in lots of players. I have faith in Ed002's input though and he implies Ceballos is a genuine option.

If Milner was to leave as well and Klopp can't convince him to stay as back up, then I think we might move for someone like Demirbay. I trust Ed001's judgement though and he doesn't think both Milner and Lallana will leave in one window.

I do still think that Klopp will go back in for Lemar to replace Coutinho though. In my opinion, he'll be what modern fans call the "marquee" signing. I know others would prefer Jorginho but I can't see it. There is a long standing interest in Lemar and as we saw with VVD and Keita, Klopp would rather wait and get his first choice, than just move on.

If our midfield was Keita, Ceballos, Henderson, Gini and Milner with Ox and Lemar able to play in midfield or wide in the front 3, I think we'd have some serious stopping power in midfield!

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21 Mar 2018 09:17:34
MK I think Ed002 has said we can forget Lemar at the moment. I’d take draxler and Keita. It’d be a bonus to get another ball playing midfielder tho too.

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21 Mar 2018 09:28:29
Lemar won't happen. Too expensive and has not lived up to his billing this season. Draxler makes sense as he would be cheaper and can play LW plus LCM as we have seen at PSG this season. We also need another mid along with Keita. Jorginho is the best fit imo as he could play with Hendo and Keita in a midfield 3 or with Keita and OX/ Draxler. My 3rd signing would be a RB to allow Gomez to move to CB. And convince Ward to continue as Karius's competition after Migs leaves.

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21 Mar 2018 09:38:08
Why keep Milner? Coz he is a top model and runs around a lot? Really? That logic would have kept Zabaleta at City. Can we just come off from this “ Sentiments “. the players don’t care a damn about our club, why are we feeling for them?
Milner, Lallana, Solanke, Origi, Can, Grujic all should be out of the door! These players are Joe Allen level! We aren’t any midtable anymore! So why keep midtable players! Free up the space and wages, Get some money back and Buy Top proven players. We need to jump from 3rd to 1st.
Can someone tell me why we signed Solanke? We don’t play with a CF. Why buy one? He can’t play in our system just like Origi and Sturridge ( doesn’t matter how good they are )

What do you see in Cabellos MK? Saw a couple games ( coz he doesn’t even get inot their first eleven ) I saw a player similar to Lallana. All show offs and nothing more! Oh yes he starts from deep. Did he do well against the Levente and the relegation fodder? lol that’s not good enough to play in the PL.

We should be targeting players who are above 25.

Jorginho ( Coz he could pass a thread through the needle with absolute ease ) None in the PL would come even close on what he does! His range of passing is just Wow! 85% of the goals scored by Insigne - Mertens - Callegon have come from his passes!

Allan ( What we expected one day Wijnaldum would become )

Kovacic ( He needs chances and only chances, He is inside top 5 dribblers in the league, excellent close control in tight spaces, work like a donkey on the pitch with brilliant range of passing)

Leon Bailey ( What a season, its turning for him. What a winger, He would bench Sadie Mane at Liverpool )

Werner ( There is your answer to Firmino )

I don’t think we could afford all those! But these are the players that could help us to win the PL title.

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21 Mar 2018 10:38:21
Lol trust you to bring up Kovacic Harry haha! - I agree with most of your post but I believe Cabellos could be a decent addition, just because he doesn't get into the starting 11 doesn't mean he's not good enough. Assensio isn't getting the game time he deserves either and look how incredible the lad is.

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21 Mar 2018 10:56:27
Haha harry and kovacic love continue.
i am pretty sure we won't get any of the players you listed. but its a great wishlist.

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21 Mar 2018 11:37:17
I know Lemar is seemingly off the radar at the moment, but everyone thought VVD was a lost cause too. We wouldn't need to be scouting Lemar because the fans have seen enough to suggest signing him already. I've just got a hunch it will happen.

I still Don't know why you include 19/ 20 year old Solanke in that list Harry. He is a young player who needs supporting and game time. A Premier League loan move might be a good idea? It has helped Abraham to develop. You can't disregard a player who was nominated as one of the top 25 young players in Europe, as "Joe Allen level".

As for Milner, I agree. I would sell him personally. However Klopp likes him a lot. He must be close to the most appearances under Klopp? When he doesn't start he is usually the go to substitute. I think he will want to leave for regular football. Just no guarantee Klopp will want him out the door.

I Don't really understand your issues with Ceballos. He was caught in a tug of war match between Barcelona and Real Madrid. Unfortunately Zidane doesn't seem to rate him, and he has seemingly burned his bridges with Barcelona by turning them down initially. He is still only 22 I think, and has a lot of class and composure. He is also a hard working player which is a minimum requirement in Klopp's system. He does need to add more end product to his game, but that is where Klopp and his coaches come in.

Jorginho is a pipe dream mate. Just because we have watched him doesn't mean he is a likely signing. He has said he wants to stay at Napoli and even if he didn't Napoli are unreasonable at times. Allan is of no interest and also plays for Napoli.

Kovacic is another player who is of no interest. You suggesting him also proves the hypocrisy in your argument. You say we shouldn't sign Ceballos because he cannot get in Real Madrids starting XI, and then put forward an alternative option in Kovacic who has failed to cement a place in the side over a fair longer period of time.

Bailey would certainly not bench Mane. Mane is a far superior player currently, and they are very different. Bailey is far more like Salah, than he is like Mane. Mane presses better, and is far more creative. He'd be good competition though.

Werner is a solid striker and another who would be good competition. I'm not sure what answer you think he is to Firmino? I wasn't aware of any question marks regarding Firmino. Some still regard him as our best player.

All your suggestions are good players mate, and the only things I really disagree on is Bailey being better than Mane, Ceballos being a bad player, and Solanke being a bad player. I just think you are getting a touch hung up on your personal favourites coming to Liverpool, and it is causing you to dismiss alternative options out of hand.

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21 Mar 2018 11:47:56
This is how I see it. So we will have Ox, Hendo and Naby as starters next season.
Wihnaldum will rotate. Maybe Ejaria or Grujic could come back. Ejaria seems closer to be honest.
If Milner and Lallana go then I think they need replacing.

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21 Mar 2018 12:13:06
The scouts have already seen enough*

No idea why I wrote fans 😂.

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21 Mar 2018 12:21:48

Madrid could afford, we simply couldn’t and shouldn’t. Stop buying players who doesn’t get into our starting eleven even when someone is injured. We have done that mistakes enough in the past why we always end up discussing about Lallana’s and Milner’s.
Madrid might buy Neymar and bench him! Let’s not compare that logic.
Target players who will push our current first eleven. Simple math to improve the squad!

Cabellos is simply a myth that is fooling people just like Grujic! Not good enough! It’s as simple as that! He need regular game why he is insisting for a move, Sorry we aren’t training ground for those! He wouldn’t lace the boots of Jorginho!

After two consecutive CL appearnences we should be talking about top 3 players!

If you have no choices then give youngsters a chance!

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21 Mar 2018 13:09:07
Bailey would bench Mane? Come on this absolute love of every single player who isn't ours is getting embarrassing now, at what point do we just call trolling trolling and be done with it?

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21 Mar 2018 15:59:45
Ron I thought we are trying to challenge for the title? The midfield you mention won't even get top 4 next season. We need to aim a lot higher.

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Review Of The Day 21st March 2018

21 Mar 2018 06:12:35
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 21st March 2018

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21 Mar 2018 07:14:58
What a player THE Ronaldo was Ed1. Looking forward to that player profile in particular!

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{Ed001's Note - I loved him, he truly was a phenomenon.}

21 Mar 2018 12:08:34
Cristiano has achieved more in football all together and is a better player though. Surely everyone can see that.

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21 Mar 2018 12:23:58
Imagine being able to write off £200m. Just giving it away. There you are, I thought I saw Neymar lying around here somewhere but I can't for the life of me. Ah well, never mind. I'm sure he'll turn up. Crazy.

As for Kelly and McTominay - Would they actually be good enough for England? The shirt weighs heavy on a lot of players that are actually groomed for the England national team from a young age, let alone a couple of randomers. Personally, I've never seen Kelly play so have no idea if he would ever be good enough, but I'd have thought he'd have to be in the prem by now to be in the running anytime soon. Maybe he'll get a couple of pointless journeyman type caps in his 30's or maybe he'll be snapped up by Burnley and become an instant hit. With McTominay will he actually be any good long term? It's all very well being alright in a midfield where you've got team mates 5 yards in every direction but what happens when you have to take some actual responsibility? That formation can make Ashley Young look like a good defender so that says it all. Also, he's only been around 5 minutes. When Jay Spearing looked like Makelele against Real Madrid we all thought we had a gem but looked how time and exposure shows your true standard.

Good on Kelly for ambition, but maybe O'Neil doesn't think he's good enough for England? And as for McTominay, perhaps Southgate didn't want to convince a player he wasn't convinced would have an England future either.

Cheers Ed, must take loads of rummaging trying to find all these snippets out. Where, for example, would you find out about Michael Essien's Indonesian career? It's certainly not from the Express or any of that malarkey.

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21 Mar 2018 05:24:12
Hi Ed's,

Apologies if this has been covered but keen to know what the status is with a new contract for Bobby? Heard some noise about one being proposed but doesn't seem to be anything confirmed as of yet?

Surely this is a priority for the club given his current deal is due to expire soon and taking into account how important he has become in Klopp's system.

Thanks for the good work as always!

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{Ed001's Note - he is happy at the club, don't stress.}

21 Mar 2018 06:44:06
Expect new deals after the World Cup for our front 3.

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21 Mar 2018 12:25:18
Have you been talking with Nostradamus, IB? Or, is that a guess?

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21 Mar 2018 00:33:48
I've only been coming here for a year or two and this is the happiest, most content that I've seen you guys. Me too, our team is class, people knock our midfield but I don't think it's too bad at all. They're not like the old 442 cm's who keep hold of the ball and dominate the opposition, Jamie redknapp springs to mind. Our Cm's protect the defence and turn the ball over as quickly as possible. To harry the opposition, two, three at a time, win the ball and send the front three on their way. For that type of play Hendo, gini and aoc are perfect, lallana too. Can not so much, he is more of the old type cm and will do very well in Italy. I still think he will one day be regarded as one of the best midfielders in the world. Keita is also spot on for for our type of midfield. Henderson, Oxlade Chamberlain and Keita. What a midfield that looks now! I can't wait.

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21 Mar 2018 04:24:15
Agreed. If we manage to somehow get Jorginho as well, that would be brilliant. I just hope the Ox keeps progressing and becomes more consistent. That will set us up well for next season.

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21 Mar 2018 07:18:36
Agreed pesco. I think it was a mistake to play him at utd but he was on form and I think that's why he was picked. I get a feeling he will find the consistency we fans want from him. What an asset, can pass, can play nice through balls, can shoot and can drive at defences, I love him, he looks so much fitter here at melwood, leaner. Faster.

The Ox said that city are determined to play out from the back and that that plays right into our hands, I think if we beat City we will win it. Did anyone watch us turn bayern Munich over in Munich, Pre season. 3 0. I'm not scared of any of them except City and Madrid.

Even if we go out go city, it has been a respectable showing in the champions league after our long absence from the competition. I'm proud of the boys, they have been unreal. 7 1 at hoffenhiem was it? 5 0 at porto. Even being talked about as potential winners is an honour, we are lucky fans.

We will be there again next year, I suppose we want spurs and Chelsea to draw but a spurs win would also do us well, mean we may finish 4th but what's the difference between 3rd and 4th really? And I'm not convinced spurs can keep it up without the hurrikane. If we're not going to win the league then as long as we're top 4 I'm happy.

I say this every year but it feels different this time. You know when you keep breaking up with a gf and you always end up back together but then something happens and you break up but it feels different, you know it's over. Well I feel our title drought is coming to an end. These boys are going to lift the trophy soon, I know it. Another 20+ season from Firmino and salah and 30+ for mane. 8m drooling, I can't wait, I think I'll lose it when we next win the league.

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21 Mar 2018 07:22:20
Thoughts, reactions, comments and everything else on here are completely like a pendulum. And consistently so over the years. Win a game and everyone is smiling and praising our players and wanting lifelong contracts given to them. Lose a game and the knives are out (even for Klopp) and the slicing and dicing is rampant. But I admit there are a few middle-of-the-roaders who are not swayed either way. We're in good form, in the top 4, so everything is strawberries and cream. For now. That's how I see it.

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21 Mar 2018 07:33:48
Super - if all our midfield players are so good why are we 20 points of winning the title? Keita won't be able to solve that on his own. It is going to take at least 2 other top quality signings to make us even challenge.

Keita, Ox, Hendo if they are first choice we won't challenge city next year IMO.

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21 Mar 2018 09:36:07
If the gunners win the Europa cup then 4th place is gone so I really wouldn’t want to risk it. Stranger things have happened so No less then 3rd for me.

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21 Mar 2018 10:04:08
Longthing76 that is incorrect. 5 teams are eligible to play in the champions league per league. (it happened last year and the year before with England and Spain respectively)
The only circumstance where 4th place would have lost the champions league spot was if the English team that won the champions league and the English team that won the Europa league finished outside the top 4, that is now highly unlikely unless we finish 5th and win the champions league. in which case, it wouldn't matter 😉.

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{Ed001's Note - I thought they stopped the 5 per league thing now?}

21 Mar 2018 10:56:35
Ed001, as far as I know what they changed was that the top4 from the big leagues automatically qualify for the group stages, rather than one of them having to go to a playoff, but the winner of the Europa league also gets a spot. I've just reread Uefas rules update regarding the champions league and I can't see anything implying only 4 teams per country would be allowed to participate, I could be wrong though but it isn't stated clearly if that is the case.
The only maximum I can see is that only 7 teams per country can enter into European competition.

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21 Mar 2018 11:49:51
I’m not worried that Arsenal are going to win the Europa league 🤝.

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21 Mar 2018 13:11:03
Arsenal's ability to win the EL largely depends on how much attention Athletico Madrid put into it.

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20 Mar 2018 17:35:41
I’m going to be honest here, I expected Salah’s goals to dry up a while ago, I thought he'd run out of steam of the opposition would figure out how to stop him. What he's achieving is hard to fathom, here’s a player who hadn’t made a success of his first crack at the Premier League, who was supposedly a second or even third choice purchase, who isn’t a dedicated striker, in his debut season with a good but still in development side who is on course to have the greatest season, in terms of goal scoring at least, of any player in Premier League history, it’s just crazy!

How crazy? Salah is only the tenth player to score 28 goals in a 38-game PL season, he’s hit that mark with seven games to go. He’s only three goals behind the record for a single season shared between Shearer, Ronaldo and Suarez, barring injury it’s almost a formality that he’ll break it. To hammer home the point he’s currently scoring at a rate of one goal every 85 minutes, only two other players (who scored at least 20 goals) have broken the 90 minute barrier (Ronaldo, 89 minutes in the 07/ 08 season and Kane who holds the record at a goal every 87 minutes last season) .

The surprising thing is that he’s not even a classic world star, he doesn’t bamboozle defenders with fancy tricks or have an unnatural ability to manipulate the ball, he’s just brutally efficient. Klopp’s team is at it’s best either on the counter attack or when it steals the ball in the opposition half, in these situations Salah can receive the ball behind the opposition midfield and find himself in a one on one with defenders who simply cannot cope with his pace and strength. It’s then a ‘simple’ case of creating a half a yard of space and slotting beyond a despairing keeper.

For some reason though, I still doubt the greatness I'm witnessing. The great Liverpool goal scorers of my time have been Torres, Suarez and Sturridge (sadly Fowler peaked just before I started following Liverpool seriously and Owen was never great), I’ve seen each of those players do things that boggle the mind and made me purr but Salah has yet to elicit that reaction in me despite scoring enough goals to put them all to shame. Is it because he plays the game more simply and his style is less aesthetic? Maybe I want to be astonished and he’s made goal scoring look so easy. Whatever my emotional reaction to him objectively he's been sensational, the only question is 'are we witnessing a one-season wonder or the emergence of the next great star'? I can't wait to find out.

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20 Mar 2018 18:11:30
Due to his mentality i seriously doubt Salah is a one season wonder, and i can't wait until he proves it.

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20 Mar 2018 18:42:42
Good read, PR. I always knew Salah would help us as his time at Roma was brilliant. If he had even scored 19 in all comps. like he did at Roma last season, I would have been chuffed cos that is not a total to sneeze at. But man, I did not know he would be this good. Not even good, great. All the credit should go to Klopp for improving him, putting the whole team in a position to harness Salah's qualities and playing Salah more closer to goal, something he was not doing at Roma.

The good thing as Nostradamus said, is that Salah has a fantastic attitude not just to football, but to his life. Everything he does is guided by his faith which shapes his being, recognizing the qualities of hard work, humility, kindness and love for your fellow man. I don't think he will be a one season wonder as well. Why? We will bring in players next season to play alongside him and make him better, just like Klopp did with well, Salah coming in to play alongside Bobbie, Sadio and Cou. And if he even scores 25 goals next season, I'll still be happy.

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{Ed002's Note - Why give all of this creditr to Klopp - he needed persuading by the scouts to even consider buying him?}

20 Mar 2018 18:54:26
That is what a scout is about, seeing what a manager maybe doesn't because he has watched the player more often then the manager might have done
Im sure back in the days of the greatest scout ever Geoff Twentyman he would have had to do the same with the managers he scouted for
The manager get the player and moulds them into his team and give the the right tactics to carry out to make them a success personally and team wise imo so Klopp and the scouts or Michael Edward or whoever all deserve credit.

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{Ed002's Note - Everyone is giving all of the credit to Klopp - it is nonsense.}

20 Mar 2018 19:14:52
Klopp deserves the credit for giving him the freedom to play in the role he is playing. why didn't salah score 28 goals in an inferior lge in italy.

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20 Mar 2018 19:22:18
I have stated that I thought salahs goals would dry up about a month ago I was of the opinion he might be a 1 season wonder.
The feller is beating all expectations. I hope he can continue for at least another season. Really hope he picks up player of the year award.

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20 Mar 2018 19:26:42
Spot on, Fruitba. Ed02, I gave Klopp all the credit for putting the team in a position to harness Salah's talent. After all, he is the one that is paid to get the best out of the players he himself agreed in some way to allow to come here cos he could have stood his ground and said no and Salah would not be here. He gets credit for actually listening and deferring to his scouts instead of making it about himself cos there is a manager not too far from LFC, who makes everything all about himself.

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20 Mar 2018 19:29:41
Im giving equal credit. klopp and salah work well together. Can you imagine salah in mourinho's team. He'd prob still be playing left back replacing luke shaw.

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20 Mar 2018 19:43:49
the team have done a great job. Do we really need to give all the credit in one direction? Klopp has openly said himself what happened, he's been frank about it and it worked out. isn't that a good thing from Klopp? and scouts obviously did their job. so full credit to the team!

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20 Mar 2018 19:36:49
Sorry ed002, but Klopp may not have wanted him as much as Brandt and may have needed pursuading but he is not only in charge of recruitment he's also in charge of coaching players, and I think it would be very naive to think his coaching and man management hasn't improved Salah. Firstly he's put him further up the field and requested he goes for goals more than create them. Whereas in previous teams he's been coached to play more wide and think to create first and score second. Of course the majority of credit goes to the player as it is upto him to make good of his chance and to showcase his talents. But as an example if we had Brendon Rodgers in charge he could have easily played him as a wing back and completely restricted him, so I'd happily argue Klopp deserves credit and it's not nonsense at all.

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{Ed002's Note - He is not in charge of recruitment.}

20 Mar 2018 20:23:19
Makes a change for Salah to get credit he deserves on this forum. I hope he will become a Liverpool great. He is an improving player each year so no reason he can't continue this level.

He is playing with a poor midfield so as the midfield will hopefully improve next season he will look even better.

No Salah take a bow son.

Ed002 I take your point a bit of good luck has come our way.

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{Ed002's Note - No, it is not good luck he is playing the best he ever has. It is the Klopp “blowsiest” who really don’t just get it.}

20 Mar 2018 20:45:19
I meant good luck we have Salah and not Brandt etc. We somehow ended up with the best option so all is good for me.

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20 Mar 2018 20:48:17
I personally think when you get to the levels Salah has this season it is pretty much down to the player and his skill and focus to want to succeed.

I do think out formation and how we set up lends us to his style but hats off to the guy. I really hope he wins something with us.

As for Klopp he's on the right track, we are playing some of the best football in a while. Next transfer window is a big one for us in my opinion. Keep our front three and strengthen our midfield and we should see ourselves with a title challenge which is all you can really ask for as a fan. Just hope for non of the antics from a few windows back with the tapping up etc. But with Ed002 saying he's not looking after recruitment that will hopefully be a thing of a past for the players involved sake at least.

But for now let's just enjoy some of the football we are getting to see due to Salah playing at the levels he is. Hopefully he can continue to end of the season the guy genuinely seems like a great guy it's great seeing the lads playing with a smile on there faces when results like watford come in.

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20 Mar 2018 20:51:23
Ed002 you've just corrected one mistake in my post and ignored my actual point. I expect that from narrow minded posters but not from you. I only mentioned Klopp being in charge of recruitment because you said he needed persuading to recruit him. I always appreciate your insight it's second to none when it comes to general football knowledge but if you can't see that Klopp deserves some credit for Salahs form, especially after ignoring the valid points I've made, I sense this is a pointless debate with you as you don't understand the role of a coach and the positive effects man management can have.

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{Ed002's Note - Salah’s form is down largely to the player - sadly some folks dismiss that and say it is all down to Klopp.}

20 Mar 2018 20:54:30
The Grinch, hope you get another movie soon Eds2.

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20 Mar 2018 20:56:27
That's funny Ed02 - you seemed to be all over Klopp with the signing of Karius (when he was playing badly) - now you're changing your tune over a player that's been excellent, saying Salah wasn't a Klopp signing.

Funny that? Would never have guessed you would have a dig at Klopp?

Your disdain for Klopp is remarkable - I can't quite work it out. Such a bitter man on times.

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{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt that I was ever all over a player and I have nothing but good stuff to say about Salah. But clearly you are no more than an ignorant fuckwit that knows nothing about the game, The players nor Klopp and want to somehow blame me.}

20 Mar 2018 21:14:49
Salah does have a bag of tricks to bamboozle defenders, he out the Watford centre back on his bum and what about the goal against spurs?

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20 Mar 2018 23:01:52
All credit to klopp on Salah! I don’t known who get the credit for Mignolet, Lovren and Markovic 😆.

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20 Mar 2018 21:38:22
The reasons are simple in my opinion, he has extreme motivation to become the best player in the world. He has improved literally every single season since his move to europe. He trains extra hours, he does what he has to do to attract the interest of Real Madrid to win the biggest trophies and to become the world's best player. Sadly we are nothing but a feeder club to Madrid and Barca. It breaks my heart to say that.

I don't think we will ever reach the heights of f. eks Manchester City because we are simply not prepared to pay even close to what players of Salah's caliber earn elsewhere. I know this post will get mad hate but its the sad truth about our current situation. If he stays another season it will be a small miracle, because well yeah, i can't see the club rejecting world record fee bids for a record breaking super star! PSG are sniffing around as well by the way.

I hope we finally take a stand of some sort and show we really want to win trophies and compete with the best regularly and prove all my words nothing but mad ramblings. If he stays one more sesason i still think he will eventually move in the summr of 2019. I just think its enivitable due to our current and never ending ''transition''

The only way we will keep him as long as we want is winning the Champions League this or next season or the Premier league next season and doubling his current wages. He is that hungry for success, his childhood ambition is to become the best African player of all time and to earn so much that he can give a lot of it away to help those in need in Egypt. let's hope and pray that success is around the corner for Liverpool because i am tired of all the best players leaving the PL in general and Liverpool specifically.

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20 Mar 2018 22:02:17
I don't know who to thank for Salah been as good as he's been (I don't find it important) all I know is, I'm grateful for having such a great player, more then anybody I thank him for performing at the highest quality almost every single game.

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20 Mar 2018 22:22:59
Jordz I agree with you mate.

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20 Mar 2018 23:34:06
Salah has been an absolute phenomenon this season - what an incredible player and a huge amount has to be credited to his mix of dedication, hard work, self belief, faith and humility. As the saying goes, it takes years to become an overnight success, and how he’s behaved through it all is a massive credit to him.

What can’t be ignored however is that he’s playing among the most dangerous looking front 3 I’ve seen in a long time and in a team that’s creating a huge amount of chances per game. That takes nothing away from Salah at all, someone else wouldn't have done what he’s done with the opportunity, but Klopps part in setting the conditions to allow the team to play this way can’t be ignored either. Play him alongside a more selfish striker, or in a weaker front three that doesn’t utilize the turnover ball so effectively, and he’d still be incredible, but the conditions have to be almost perfect to do what he’s doing now.

Oh, and that doesn’t explain the goals where he puts 4 defenders on their backside. those are all him.

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20 Mar 2018 22:59:12
I agree Ed, I liken Salah to Suarez under Rodgers or Torres in his pomp. It really doesn’t matter who coaches players with god given talent like theirs, Messi and Ronaldo could play for any team and any manager, even Allardyce and Mourinho couldn’t ruin them 😋
I’m old school the managers primary role is spot talent that suits the club and style of play, Bob Paisley was a genius at it, rarely made a poor signing. Ferguson was good but he made some howlers too (admittedly it is judging him over a very long period of time, similar Wenger now) .
Sign great players with a winning mentality and tell them to go and enjoy themselves, never mind 180 page dossier, that’s my philosophy in a sentence, might put my application in for the next vacancy that crops up 😂.

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21 Mar 2018 00:24:28
Ed is right, there are a lot of people behind the scenes at Liverpool who work hard to find the next star player, they travel all over the world looking for talent.
Of course klopp deserves credit, for taking us from 6th place hopefulls to 2nd place contenders and possible European success, but so does the whole club, for the wonderful club they are.

I don't understand why anyone would want to leave Liverpool. I just wish Southampton had sold us van dyke in the summer instead playing games. I honestly think we would be right on city's tail and clear second or even 1st. Oh well, next season! I'm 37 and I've been saying that for 25+ years.

This is one of the best liverpool sides I've seen for a long time too.

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21 Mar 2018 05:44:41
I think ed is trying to point out he is playing for his move to real which he has openly enquired about. Just saying!

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{Ed001's Note - I think people should stop letting Ed002 wind them up because Salah himself has credited Klopp with improving him. So yes, he has to have some of the credit for the improvement, which is nothing to do with Madrid, at all. Silly comment by you, he is not playing for a move, that is a by product of his good form not the reason. You are just saying nonsense made up by you.}

21 Mar 2018 07:20:23
Yeah I thought it was a fluke for a couple of months but no. He is pure class. That goal against city and the one against spurs. Unreal.

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21 Mar 2018 08:02:32
Two points I'd like to make.

Of course Klopp deserves credit for where we are, simply because we consciously compare it to where we were last year or in previous years. But the credit should go simply to his "management" of the team, his strategies, his tactics, his philosophy and the execution of it by himself and the staff he manages. That includes the players too. But to say he is responsible for Salah's goals is way over the top. Klopp derves the credit for managing an environment that allows Salah to score those goals. And that's it. There's a reason the player's name is on the scoreboard after a goal, and not the manager's. The player gets maximum credit for the goal and rightly so. Has Salah improved? Definitely so. But it's still him sticking the ball inside the nets. Do Messi and Ronaldo share their Ballon d'Ors and Golden Boots (and whatever else) with their managers? They've both been managed by some of the best managers on the planet, but nobody really gives a damn about them, as long as these two are sticking those goals in.

I don't get why people are after Ed002, all the time? What's the problem? By being on this page (reading and posting), we are all fans or supporters of LFC. And consequently, we have certain inbuilt biases that will always show up in some way or another. Ed002 on the other hand is a moderator and a person who provides valuable transfer rumours and information (that we all hunger for voraciously) . He does NOT need to share our pro LFC attitude and biases. And he has said a few times that he supports Chelsea (and maybe some other teams - I don't remember) . What's wrong with that? For me, he is mostly even and unbiased with his short pithy replies. People interpret them as anti-LFC or anti anything because they don't match our expectations. Sure, he plays mind games, because he knows how to do it and probably loves doing it with LFC supporters. You let yourself be had, when you fall for them. Ed001 is clearly pro LFC (and as co-founder of these sites he can be anything he wants) . Ed025 is pro Everton but has a pleasing style of communication (Ed025 has clearly said we are not winning the UCL. People said nothing. But if Ed002 says anything similar, the knives come out) . Ed0333 is clearly pro LFC, too.

People need to chill a bit. And sort out their perspectives. Before jumping into flashmobs. Just saying.

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{Ed001's Note - well said ra. Like I said, I wish people would stop letting what Ed002 says wind them up. They read too much into it and just can't handle a view that isn't biased. Disagree with him by all means, but there is no need for the ridiculous abuse he gets just because he is not saying what we all want to hear.}

21 Mar 2018 08:13:46
Thanks Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome mate. Nice to read a reasonable and thought out view.}

21 Mar 2018 08:27:05
Very well said ra1969.

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21 Mar 2018 09:34:39
I do remember Fowler at his pomp, and what Salah's been able to do is combine Fowler's brain with Owen's (early) pace.

What his did to Watford twice, once when Bitros ended up on his backside, and once when he took out 4-5 defenders with a change of direction and pace was utterly bamboozling!

Combine that with the goal (I don't remember who against) where he took about 5 touches (including a little header) in front of the keeper and defender to guide the ball into a (then) empty net is just incredible.

And then look at the power shots from the edge of the area.

A complete forward this seasons, and hopefully for many more to come.

P.s. I don't care who gives or takes credit, I'm just glad he's here and playing like he is!

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21 Mar 2018 10:24:46
Well said ra, never understood the abuse editors get or posters for that matter. I do though, think everyone should be prone to both praise and criticism, regardless of position or power as that's what helps us all learn and improve our understanding of the game.

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21 Mar 2018 10:19:48
I absolutely agree with you ed002, my original post clearly states Salahs form is mostly down to himself, but ignoring the impact a manager makes would also be incredibly naive, even Salah himself admitted that Klopp told him to go further up the pitch and to try and score more.
Maybe a better way of wording it is Klopp has given Salah the platform to perform to his greatest potential. And for that, he does deserve credit. I remember the days Rodgers would play Firmino out wide and Sterling at wing back and it was incredibly frustrating to watch their potentials hindered.

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20 Mar 2018 14:25:57
The club need to make Malak a club scout in Egypt 😉. He claimed in 2014 Salah would become one of the top 5 players in the world.
MK scouser, APOLOGY needed for Malak. joke.

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20 Mar 2018 15:16:49
I vaguely remembered the discussion enough to be able to find it on the search function. Wow, what an embarrassing and nasty tool I was in 2014. I can only ask Malak and anyone else I spoke to like that to forgive me. I was a different person back then in an abusive relationship struggling hugely with depression. Doesn't excuse the way I spoke to some posters though. I'm genuinely disgusted with myself. I can't even remember writing those things. In fact I can't remember much at all about those years of my life and now I've read that, thank god! I'm so sorry though.

I've not seen Malak post for a long time but if you are still reading buddy, you showed me! I never dreamt Salah would become this good back then. I also apologise in general for the way I behaved as a teenager. Really was not necessary. I'm sorry for the Eds as well who had to audit my vitriol. I can't believe that I wrote that. I'm deeply ashamed and I hope people can see I'm not that person anymore.

You are 100% right Jimmy, I really do need to apologise for that. Not for being wrong per se, but for the complete and utter lack of class I displayed.

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20 Mar 2018 15:51:51
Looks like you have turned out a decent chap mk. We all make mistakes and it's very good that you can and have improved yourself as a person.
Big high 5 from me.

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20 Mar 2018 15:45:52
Sorry to hear of your past mate. Onwards and upwards my friend. I was jesting though.

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20 Mar 2018 16:02:23
it is called growing up MK and you definitely have so kudos to you.

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20 Mar 2018 16:21:17
Thanks for accepting the general apology lads. I know you were joking Jimmy, but I couldn't read that back and not apologise. Couple of things I said clearly crossed the line and ultimately, Malak was right about Salah and I wasn't! Having said that, nobody else was on Malak's side either so fair play to him for standing up to the masses. He literally said that by 24/ 25 years old, Salah would be in the top 5 players in the world. Psychic 👊.

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20 Mar 2018 18:09:07
Kudos to malak and to MK scouser, reading through some of his posts, that guys recommended we look at Jorginho when he was playing Serie B football as well!

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20 Mar 2018 18:31:25
I was trying to remember who the chap was who recommended salah and a few other Egyptian lads. I thought his posts were really good at the time.

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20 Mar 2018 18:41:39
Good for you MK, I’ve battled mental health issues since the recent deaths of both my parents and I too at times lash out on these pages (think I’m still barred from the live match chat forum) .
At the risk of starting a new #metoo movement I’d also like to apologise to Ed’s, Reds and Mancunians that I may well have offended in recent months, to be fair I think the Ed’s have either moderated or deleted the inappropriate posts I’ve submitted.
Thanks MK for being brave enough to apologise, it’s inspirational to see you are through the other side now bud, I do enjoy your posts.
Love the site, a real escape from the daily grind.
Best Wishes All,

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20 Mar 2018 18:44:15
Nos, BR did want Jorginho when he was at Verona but it did not come off and it seems like our scouting team have has never kept their eye off him. Will he sign tho? We will have to see.

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20 Mar 2018 19:40:43
We need to create a page for Malak - 'Malaks future stars'
Massive fair play to you MK, it takes a real man to admit his past mistakes and to own them. Too many people these days refuse to be corrected or challenged and it's refreshing to see people capable of learning and growing.

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{Ed025's Note - i echo all of that TIA mate..

20 Mar 2018 20:34:28
I don't really know what to say but MK fair play mate, life can be bloody difficult at times. Malak you seem to know your stuff, looking forward to who you recommend next.

Ed025 cheers mate your a top editor.

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20 Mar 2018 20:35:48
Thanks everyone. I really care about how I'm perceived by others; perhaps too much at times. So I'm thankful people could forgive what I said. I had no idea I was like that.

Kopite68, it is a very long and hard journey mate. I'd say it is only really the last 6-12 months I've felt truly better after about 7 years of suffering. I'm really sorry to hear about your loss by the way. My advice to anyone suffering with mental health issues? Go to see a counsellor. They really are amazing people. No amount of medication can replicate the help they provide. Well done for overcoming your own pride to apologise too mate.

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20 Mar 2018 20:59:58
MK, you seem like a true gent and fantastic at analysing football. Thank you for your contributions to this site.

Now reading our fans apprehension against Salah of 2014 is just hilarious. Ahh well that's why managers get paid millions and fans don't!

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20 Mar 2018 21:02:50
MK past is the past, we all go through different journeys in life mate and for you to overcome them, is respectable. No matter who you were a few years ago, credit has to go to you for who you are today because you seem like a top fella mate! Glad to hear your no longer going through the troubles you once went through.

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20 Mar 2018 23:02:52
If we sign Jorginho then I ll call you Mr. BRover! 😎😎🙄.

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20 Mar 2018 22:50:28
MK thank you sir, I wholeheartedly agree about the counselling. I’ve had 2 lots of 6 sessions after each loss and I only wish I’d reached out for support about 7 years ago, I got myself into financial problems and ended up paying back debts of £33K over 5 long years. I’m debt free now and appreciate all I have, my wife and son, my wife’s family, my brother and sister and I see each other more than we ever did.

Life has a way of delivering perspective, I envy those who have it without having to experience loss before realising what really matters, good health and close family.
I love my football, it has pretty much been the only constant in my life, quite ironic that, just like life, I only realise now we have experienced the barren years just how magical my first 15 years as a Liverpool supporter really were.

I took that for granted, as a kid all I knew was us winning everything. I don’t mind admitting in 2005 when we won it for the 5th time, I shed a reminiscent tear. It was so emotional to experience that feeling again after 21 years!
MK you are a gentleman and a scholar mate, good health to you and yours.

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21 Mar 2018 05:47:52
Big hugs bro. 👍.

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21 Mar 2018 07:42:07
MK has always been sound when I've been on. He is one of the posters whose opinion I value and I always read his posts.

Women and love can mess you up big time, fall in love, throw all your eggs in some rickety basket and end up with no omelette. Your not the first and you won't be the last, you always seem proper grounded to me mk, so you came out good in the end bruv. Y. N. W. A x.

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21 Mar 2018 08:13:34
I'm really glad to read that kopite68. Family was actually my main coping method. I became a dad 15 months ago and I know it is cliché, but it changed me almost overnight. Massive respect to you though. It is a terrible illness because it is invisible to the naked eye.

Thanks again lads.

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21 Mar 2018 09:35:00
Just to add to this post a little.

I know exactly how bad it can get when your mentally unwell. 6 Years ago I lost a parent and saw some pretty brutal things doing so which resulted in me losing it, I didn't think there was a way out at all, I had flashbacks daily, insomnia, I drank a hell of a lot, nightmares, zero confidence, anxious, health anxiety the lot. I'd never seen anything quite as brutal as I had done back then so it hit me like a ton of bricks.

It came to a point where I was waking up needing a beer I thought it was helping take the edge off but it stopped working so I'd have more, quickly, still not working which resulted in panic attacks and tons of hospital visits, I thought it was the end for me.

I reached out to family and they couldn't understand why I was the way I was (they didn't see what I saw) and they constantly told me to just 'snap out of it' like it was that easy? It's not as easy as that at all infact at the time it seemed near to impossible.

Point is to my post is I'm alright now, I got off the drink, I had people telling me not to stop drinking immediately because my body was so used to it but I had a bad panic attack and said that day 'I'm done drinking' and I kept to it, went to doctors got some medication (anti depressants) which in all honesty I think was a placebo but they did the job at the time.

Before I went through all of this I'd of never understood anybody going through it, it's so easy to brush off when people say they are depressed etc if you've never been through it before. Now I know and I wouldn't wish it on anybody, I admire people who can get their life straightened out after going through such an illness. So credit to you MK and Koppite, it's not easy yet you got out of it which really is admirable.

Take care to all! Anybody going through depression, please remember, there's always a way out!

Sorry for the long post.

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21 Mar 2018 11:42:43
Cheers Salah. Thank you for sharing by the way. I hope you are feeling much better now, and about the future! Nobody can see the emotional scars it leaves on you, but we carry them for life. Learning to live with it is the hardest part. I wish you all the best on your continued road to recovery. Whatever you do though, Don't just stop taking the anti-depressants. Consult your doctor and they'll wean you off them. I just dropped them and the withdrawal was really aggressive.

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21 Mar 2018 13:40:35
Cheers ED25.

Just whilst we are on mental health -
There is an incredible guy named Johann Hari who I strongly recommend people either listen to or read his books depending on your learning style. It completely opened my mind to the truths behind mental health and I believe every single person on the planet should have access to his findings, not only to help people with mental health, but also for the rest of the world to learn about why it happens and how to deal with it in a progressive, humane way.

Don't worry if you don't want to post the link eds but here is a link to his phenomenal insight just incase. I know we always discuss the effects of mental health in our beloved game and think this is more relevant than ever before. I know there is a chance people won't even see this as it's so far down in replies so I'd be happy to repost it if you find it worthy, totally understand if not.

His book: lost connections - uncovering the real causes of depression

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21 Mar 2018 13:56:50
Thanks for the advice re the Meds MK as I’m starting to feel like I want to start to reduce them now. Salah reading your post struck a chord with me and I do hope you are coping ok now.
We are all different so whilst I agree about the benefits of counselling and medication I try to steer clear of giving direct advice as we can only really experience our own personal circumstances and reactions.
Please don’t feel I am belittling serious issues as I have been in those dark paranoid places where you fear for your job, your relationship and your own mortality, however as I start to feel more stable and secure I have to use humour to get me through, examples; I’ve been married twice and have a grown up offspring that I’ve not seen for 17 years, not through my choice. I’ve already outlined the recent challenges to my mental wellbeing, in this time I also had our dog pass away, devastating my son who was only 9 at the time. I have to joke with people that I’ve a full country and western album as my life story just waiting to be recorded! I think one of the tracks would be the 49 year old orphan!
You have to see the funny side of yourself and how melancholy life is, very hard to do when you are in the depths of despair however.
Thanks for the therapy lads, hope you don’t charge by the word for it though Ed’s 😜.

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20 Mar 2018 12:28:43
Question for Ed001
Do you expect Milner and Lallana to be sold in the summer? Thanks in advance.

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{Ed001's Note - both? No. One is very likely to go.}

20 Mar 2018 12:35:25
I'd guess that's milner ed01? Would I guess right or has it not been determined which yet?

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{Ed001's Note - could be either. Both are not really looking to stay, Milner because he wants to play regularly and realises he might have to step down to get regular football. Lallana has never wanted a long term stay and has constantly said about not retiring with us etc and Klopp wants committed players.}

20 Mar 2018 13:18:27
That's sad to hear about lallana. I have admired him for years and was really pleased when we signed him. I have been defending him here for the last few weeks too.

Thanks for your reply ed01 mate, I, as a fan, don't want any players here who don't want to be. I can understand milner, he has records to break regarding Pl appearances etc but lallana has a great opportunity of making our first team, does he prefer playing in midfield or in a more attacking role I wonder. Coz if its an attacking role he is going to find it hard to break into our front 3. That said, he is the perfect player to cover the wide men.

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20 Mar 2018 13:49:21
I would say Lallana's days have been numbered since we signed Naby Keita. Lallana, like Henderson, has spent way too much time in his LFC career in the treatment room. Great technician but not robust or direct enough for Klopp's team.

The time was always going to come for Milner to move on to get first team football in his final throes. Model professional and did brilliantly at left back when called upon last season. I suppose the signing of Ox will backfill for him in the squad.

The position I worry about the most is Hendo's. His injury seems to be a real issue and we would be foolish going into next season with only an Emre replacement in that position.

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20 Mar 2018 16:48:09
All should go imo. We need to get off from this emotional backlog! Milner and Lallana are bang average and should go. They are to be replaced by better players. c'mon people we are not a mid table club anymore! So bye bye midtable players!

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20 Mar 2018 18:45:04
If I had to keep one, I'd take Milner over Lallana any day. Milner's a harder worker, he can cover more positions, and despite not being able to do Cruyff turns as beautifully as Lallana does, he's got a mean cross in him and creates more chances.

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20 Mar 2018 18:46:22
I don't think Milner will be here next season cos with Naby and Ndidi or Jorginho maybe coming in, it will only reduce his chances that were already slim coming into this season. Lallana may leave as well if he refuses to be part of the midfield rotation which is fine with me.

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21 Mar 2018 07:56:04
Lallana is bang average. Is that a joke? Km iI keep saying it but it doesn't seem to go in. Remember when he was last fit? He was one of our best players. Him, coutinio and mane were the stand out players last season. That was only 10 months ago. You are judging him on recent performances when klopp is just easing him back on, He is no where near match sharp. He plays well in the big games too and Is a brilliant tackler for a guy his size. I think your being a bit unfair about milner too. He has been one of the stand out players in our champions league campaign, he us a top player with Pl medals, he's been at the top of the game for 15 years. That's pretty incredible. The guy deserves respect. Call him a model professional then slate him, nah, he has sacrificed his game to play lb and tucked away some big penalties. I will always respect him for the way he has conducted himself at Liverpool. If he goes then thanks for your experience, it was key to our champions league campaign. Good luck.

I'd like to keep lallana. If you want to win trophies you need more than 11 good Players, you need a good squad, we should be keeping players with quality. Lallana no doubt has quality, if you can't see that then I really can't help you, go back and look at some of his clips and remember the magic he bought to Liverpool. Class Player, if he leaves I hope its outside the Premier league.

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21 Mar 2018 11:51:25
I don't really get why Milner would want to drop down a level to get regular first team football. He is playing regularly enough for us. Sure he might play a proportionally higher number of available games at a smaller team but in terms of the actual number of games per season, it could be more or less the same. We have European games to offer as well as a greater chance of having a longer domestic cup run (albeit not this season lol) .

Added to that there is the prospect of winning things and taking part in truly memorable matches. Milner started the Porto game - why would he want to swap a night like that for a potential relegation battle? He has also retired at international level so it is not like he needs to start every game in order to get into the England squad.

I notice a lot of players at bigger clubs do this and often it seems like it's as broad as it's long due to the extended fixture lists they have.

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20 Mar 2018 12:08:59
Ed001 you mentioned we had watched the RBL right back but that you had forgotten his name. I assume you are on about Klosterman?

I really like him as a player. He is similar to Gomez in that he can also play centre back, so we'd still be able to switch up the defence to a back 3 if the opposition were getting at us. I thought he was late 20's but he's actually only 21. That surprised me big time.

If we signed Navas, Klosterman, Keita and Ceballos we'd look good going into next season. I still reckon we have a chance at Lemar as well. I can't wait for next season. I think we'll mount a more serious title challenge!

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{Ed001's Note - I don't recall his name sorry.}

20 Mar 2018 12:28:56
very defensive though mk and that's klopp's problem with clyne. imo I think we'd be after heinrichs or sociedads rb. maybe weiser too, ex Bayern youngster.

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20 Mar 2018 13:17:18
RBL won't sell if they don't want to because they clearly won't need the money. So chances of getting their starting RB is close to none. I don't rate Weiser at all. He is decent going forward but goes missing and ouplayed most of his games.

Heinrichs is a good shout but leverkusen won't sell for cheap as they have a big company backing them as well (Bayer is a big pharmacist here in germany) .

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20 Mar 2018 13:20:22
Kieran trippier would be a good rb for us. Not the greatest defender but his distribution is first class, it would be like playing 2 3 5 at times!

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{Ed001's Note - oh god no, he plays one good game in 20 and is awful defensively. He puts in one good delivery and it is highlighted for months to show he is great going forward when he quite simply isn't. Says a lot that Kyle Walker was a far, far better player than he was.}

20 Mar 2018 16:50:22
I don't get this 'we won't get him cheaply' business. So what? A first choice player in our squad isn't likely to come cheaply because if they are better than we already have, they are pretty damn good. As long as they aren't asking us to fund a Bayer Leverkusen Space Program, I can't see FSG or Klopp pulling shut the purse strings for a player that they actually think will have a positive impact on our first team and get us better results - especially if we can show that we're competitive for the CL title this season by getting past City and getting into it for next year.

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