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19 Feb 2017 07:22:30
I'm a big follower of Roma over in Italy for the last 4 or 5 years. One of my absolute favourites in their side is Alessandro Florenzi. Always wanted him to join Liverpool as I believe he is (when fit and on form) the best right back in the game at this moment.

Absolutely gutting to hear therefore that he has just ruptured his ACL again! Just like Ings he had only just got back.

Obviously there are worse things go on in the world, but that doesn't make it any less crushing for these young men when their career dreams are left in tatters by matters completely down to pot luck!

Come back stronger Florenzi and Ings. Football needs more passionate players like these guys!

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19 Feb 2017 11:31:13
Florenzi is indeed a fantastic player, such a shame for him, he will bounce back as will young Ings.

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19 Feb 2017 22:31:19
good post that MK, what a cruel blow it is for any player to suffer such a horrific injury, I only hope he and ings have the mental strength required to come back from such a setback.

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19 Feb 2017 04:30:47
Just Wondering Eds if it was up to you who would you rather Brandt or Pulisic? I'd have Pulisic he seems to have more pace than Brandt from what I've watched of them.

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{Ed001's Note - no opinion on either to be honest, not seen much of them.}

19 Feb 2017 07:32:44
Seen very little in the way of full games, but I've watched plenty of highlights and read a few scout reports.

I think Brandt is far closer to what we need. He is ready to start week in week out on our left and provide a direct threat similar to what Mane offers on the right. Brandt is not all about raw pace though. He reminds me more like Giggs or McManaman. He just has sublime close control, excellent balance on the ball, and a killer instinct in the final third. He can glide past people and just shrug off the challenge.

Pulisic is still more of an impact sub or cup game cover right now. Probably got slightly more potential than Brandt but he is more about pace. To be the finished article he needs to work on a few things. His first touch needs work, his end product is erratic and he is heavily reliant on pace due to a lack of close control. He tends to just hit it past his man and then back his speed to catch it before the defender does.

I like both players from what I have seen but Brandt is exactly what we need, and hasn't been hyped up to a stratospheric value. Pulisic would probably cost us double what Brandt would and he is not even ready for regular first team games. Definitely Brandt for me. Just my opinion though mate.

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19 Feb 2017 09:51:03
Both would be expensive gambles when we have Wilson and Ojo knocking on the door.

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19 Feb 2017 10:31:03
They are both way above Ojo and Wilson in terms of quality. That's the truth, if it wasn't then Klopp would have Shey and Harry starting, or on the bench every week. Or are you saying our manager doesn't trust them for another reason.

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19 Feb 2017 10:50:15
Just an expensive gamble in an area we are not exactly struggling - scoring goals.
We have a problem conceding too many which is where I think we should concentrate on improving.

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19 Feb 2017 11:03:02
We NEED more pace in wide areas. That was glaringly obvious when Mane was out and will be again next season with all the extra matches (assuming we qualify for Europe as expected and don't miserably crash out of all the cups again) .

Brandt has way more games under his belt than Pulisic. He is a key part of the BL team. Pulisic is an impact sub for BD.

Apples and organges really.

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19 Feb 2017 11:15:47
Depends on what Klopp actually prefers. If it's a winger with pace as central attribute then Pulisic. If someone more versatile like Coutinho then Brandt. They are both extremely talented and skilful players. But Julian Brandt is a special player. A truly special player. Brandt is young and you could mound him to be any player.

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19 Feb 2017 11:52:29
I would go with the Apple .

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{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't, Apple always overcharge.}

19 Feb 2017 11:53:13
Correct me if im wrong but mk but doesn't your discription of Brandt sound very similar to anothet player we own in coutinho. Do we all want him replaced now?

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19 Feb 2017 13:21:45
Has to be Orange really though orange is now ee so who knows what the hell is going on, honestly why isn't there a firm called watermelon.

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19 Feb 2017 13:56:41
I'd like Coutinho in midfield with Hendo and Gini.

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19 Feb 2017 14:00:40
I agree with Ron here, this isn't a major problem our defense is a problem, as he says we are scoring, yet conceding far too many, young Ojo I look forward to hopefully seeing more of next year.

I'd go for a new attacking signing if we lost Firmino and or Coutinho but as it stands we don't need to add anyone imo the defense must be top priority, it's really not rocket science is it? The defense is the biggest weakness in our team, it needs dealing with in the summer or it'll be the same old next season.

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19 Feb 2017 14:38:13
Think we need both of them with champions league next season we can't call on youngsters too much especially talented ones such as ojo and Woodburn. the team needs more depth if we are going to challenge in the champions league every year.

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19 Feb 2017 15:19:08
Like we did the last time cy? What was it 7 signings? Howd that work out.

To many additions and you risk upsetti g the balance in the team, chemistry in the dressing room and potentially pissing players off who have worked there ass off to get to the champions league if you start just replacing them all.

1 or 2 additions at most.

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19 Feb 2017 15:38:43
We didn't struggle in January with Mane's absence alone. Conceding some of the goals the way we did had nothing to do with missing Mane. We did miss him but that's not the sole reason for our miserable run! Ojo wasn't ready to replace Mane while absent but I'm sure by the start of next season he will be ready to play some part in things, ease him in and I'm sure he will be great for us. Pointless spending £30m upwards on someone when given time Ojo could become just as good. I'd rather spend on strengthening where is needed. If Sakho's time is up (which I hope klopp has a change of heart and gives him another's shot) we need a quality centre half. If Stewart is deemed good enough he needs to be given the chance alongside Hendo, if not we need to sign a replacement and let the boy go and continue his career elsewhere. We need a goal scorer if Sturridge is off, someone who fits our style of play and personally I'd replace clyne and Moreno.

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19 Feb 2017 18:09:12
Hmm WelshRed.

So you think a striker is more needed than a winger? Okay.

We do have 4 senior strikers though and only one senior winger. Origi and Sturridge already aren't getting games and that's with Ings injured.

Surely a winger is far more of a priority? When Mane doesn't play, we have no width or pace.

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19 Feb 2017 18:45:19
Ron and LFC16, comparing Ojo with Brandt is just illogical as senseless as it does justice to neither player's capabilities. Brandt is more developed already at 20 than Ojo is, plain and simple. Brandt is capped 4 times already by Germany, played in the U20 WC (watched him there for the first time), played at the Olympics, played over 70 games for Bayer and has CL experience, all this and I haven't even mentioned his immense talent. Ojo is simply not yet in his class, end of.

Brandt can play anywhere in the attack, is two footed tho mainly right sided, can shoot with either foot and can score from free kicks. The kid is special and you can see why Klopp wants him badly. If Ojo was as good, why wasn't he already playing in Jan? That would be because he isn't as good as Brandt, that's why. Will he be? I hope so.

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20 Feb 2017 09:33:08
If your strategy is based as much on attack as ours then losing the ball is always a risk meaning our defence is often gojng to be put under pressure. Unless Klopp utilises a CDM which he has shown no inclination of doing then I think any CB pairing is going to struggle. If we cut out the soft goals from GK errors I think this would have a bigger impact on us. I'm not sure the GK are wholly at fault here as I don't think our current GK coach is up to the job. In fact every GK has sttuggled under Achterburg despite their good form from their previous club. Even Pepe deteriorated under him.

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20 Feb 2017 15:27:58
Puzzled. if you read my post properly I said we don't need to splash 30 million on a wide player when we have Ojo. Surely that's not hard to take in?
I said we need a striker IF Sturridge is moving on NOT at the expense of a wide player. We create so many chances but lately Our finishing has been way off, Sturridge used to provide them goals but sadly he's not quite up to his former standards. In an ideal world Origi will step up to the plate and provide them goals, Ings will come back strong and chip in and Firmino will continue like he was at th start of the season, allowing us to ease young Woodburn in with no pressure on the young lads shoulders!
You misread it and it's left you puzzled.

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20 Feb 2017 20:13:05
Natural Poolie, I agree with you regarding the GK issue. Klopp does not use a CDM in his system and that has been the case since he was at BVB. When he was at BVB when they won their first title, Nuri Sahin was the CDM (more a pivot that Hendo plays now) and they were great and had the best defence in the league that season. That is what he is trying to do here with Hendo and he has been a revelation there.

If you look at the way we killed off both Spurs and City after we scored, it is the whole midfield that does the defending. You could see Hendo, Wiji and Lallana, all helping out with defensive duties which collectively, snuffed out both teams. Aguero and Kane didn't get a kick and we were never in danger in both games bar one shot at goal in both games. That is what Klopp's defensive system looks like.

It may not work all the time and a CDM could be bought to hel Hendo out BUT to say that that is what is needed, is incorrect at least as far as Klopp is concerned.

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19 Feb 2017 03:42:49
Not asking if we are interested but looks like with Sturridge going and ings future being unclear we might look at a striker next summer. anyone think Vardy might be a good shout? Probably about 15 million at his age. I know Leicester haven't been great this season but he did show great talent last season. His Pace along with mane would be a defenders nightmare.

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19 Feb 2017 07:31:53
Its hard because you can't argue with goals. But I think over a longer period of tine we have seen Vardy regress to the mean so to speak. I'm never big on bringing in players based on their prime 2 seasons ago so I would advicate that Vardy is strictly hands off.

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19 Feb 2017 07:45:05
I hate using this phrase, but Vardy was clearly a 1 season wonder.

Of all of Leicesters players I would only take 3. Kasper, Chilwell and Okazaki. Possibly Mahrez but I am unconvinced he is worth the transfer fee and wages we'd pay. Plus he plays on the right, isn't as good as Mane, and seems like he'd sulk at being a sub.

Kasper is a cracking keeper, shame about his dad, but we don't get to pick our families ;) main features to his game that would benefit us are a) his vocal leadership at the back and b) his devastatingly accurate throws to initiate quick counter attacks.

Chilwell is a top talent with vast potential, who could solve our decade long wait for a decent left back!

And Okazaki is absolutely everything Klopp wants in a forward player. Technically gifted, direct, unselfish, and all importantly he is an absolute work horse. Could you imagine the nightmares teams would have with Firmino and/ or Okazaki hunting them down inside their own 18 yard box! He is also one of the good guys in football who doesn't moan or drop his performance level if he is a sub or has to fight for his place. Vardy and Mahrez may have got all the plaudits last season but Okazaki was up there with Kante in terms of his desire to win. He never slacked off. Dropping him for Slimani has been an absolutely torrid decision by Claudio.

Vardy though is just an absolute no from me. He is acting like he has made it, which for me is a major sign that he lacks the hunger to stay at the top level.

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19 Feb 2017 07:46:07
Vardy! Why why why? Nooooooo! Had 1 good season in the prem and now looks shot to pieces. Let's go all
Out and get Huth to partner Matip too? No didn't think so either. we are better than Vardy, we have bought enough mediocre players over the years. We don't need to take another teams rubbish on!

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19 Feb 2017 09:18:38
Yes MK I missed that bit. Vardy looks like he's changed from someone who appreciates where he is to someone full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is!

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19 Feb 2017 11:12:59
I'd take Gray looks like he'll have a fantastic future.

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{Ed001's Note - do you think so? Plenty of skill but no footballing brain at all for me. He makes the wrong passes, runs, tries the wrong things constantly. Shame as he has plentiful ability, but just watch him, everything breaks down at him. For me he is a big part of the problem there, as he has played more, results have worsened for them as he just squanders possession repeatedly.}

19 Feb 2017 11:16:47
We should avoid splashing money on 'Stop Gaps'. A more younger and fitter player.

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19 Feb 2017 11:26:34
I think Vardy as our striker fits us to a T. Great call. He does good pressing for Leicester, and I reckon he still has 2 good years of top football left.

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19 Feb 2017 11:31:22
Schmeichel is a bang average keeper who has had one good season in his career. He's not better than either Mignolet or Karius, I'd rather we took a punt on Begovic as he's a top keeper and wouldn't cost the earth, plus Chelsea aren't going to refuse to sell to us.

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19 Feb 2017 13:21:38
Ive actually played against demari gray.

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19 Feb 2017 13:51:50
Ed01 I'm not going to lie I've only watched 4-5 Leicester games this season and he has looked decent I watched him more in the championship and he looked great that might of been because he was head and shoulders better than anyone around him, I do agree he loses possession far to much do you think that could be coached with time? He does have age on his side so hopefully he would learn when not to do certain things and when to do them I would say ronaldo was the same when he first join united.

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19 Feb 2017 15:41:34
Leek. 2 more good seasons at the top? How's that, he has only ever had 1 good season at the top. And you'd want to spend 15 million or so on him and give him 80-100 grand a week or whatever stupid contract Leicester rewarded him with! No thanks.

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19 Feb 2017 18:48:32
No LC players will be of any help to us judging by the season they are having individually and collectively so no point talking about any of them, IMO.

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18 Feb 2017 21:47:06
Ed002.don't mean to be critical but I read your reply regarding Liverpool interest in Julian Brandt and your claim that he would be a good fit as a left sided winger. Isn't Julian Brandt a right footed player or are you being somewhat sarcastic? No offence intended. I have a lot of admiration for your insight on football and I regard your assessment about Klopp as first class.

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{Ed002's Note - Brandt can play on either wing.}

18 Feb 2017 22:16:45
Thanks for your reply Ed002.

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18 Feb 2017 23:02:53
Isnt neymar right footed. Ronaldo? Sterling? Sanchez? Martial? Albrighton? Coutinho? Eriksen? Payet? Hazard? Boufal? Carrasco? Bolasie? Draxler? Montero?

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18 Feb 2017 23:15:25
Mane left foot. Klopp likes he wings to cut in . Look back at BVB reus is right foot.

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18 Feb 2017 23:22:21
Except Mane is right footed ;)

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19 Feb 2017 10:14:37
Matip is boss has surely lost 99% of the 5% credibility he had now.

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19 Feb 2017 11:17:41
Brandt could also drop into the middle if needed. He is not an out and out winger.

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19 Feb 2017 13:08:32
Are we not still interested in promes as I recall maybe incorrectly he can play across the front line. Offering cover for just about anyone.

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19 Feb 2017 13:08:32
Are we not still interested in promes as I recall maybe incorrectly he can play across the front line. Offering cover for just about anyone.

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

19 Feb 2017 18:55:41
Promes was never going to happen. For someone who has actually watched Brandt play, he can play on ether side BUT is not a winger just like Mane is not. He like Mane, are wide forwards, two "no. 8's" as Klopp calls it, that attack the inside right and inside left of a defence (the gap btw the FB abd the CB) .

Check the goal Mane scored vs Spurs and you will see exactly what I'm saying. Back to Brandt, he can shoot with either foot, can assist due to having great vision and can score from dead ball situations. A brilliant player and per reports, Klopp wants him whatever the cost. The kid is lethal. I hope we succeed in getting him.

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18 Feb 2017 16:44:28
I see the Gotze rumors are surfacing again wouldn't you think sport's journalists would have enough to write about without recycling BS.

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18 Feb 2017 16:59:24
I am going to give this a shot.

Klopp is willing to spend his entire transfer budget on Gotze. got to believe me mate :-)

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19 Feb 2017 10:15:36
They better be just rumours.

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18 Feb 2017 13:58:48
Hi Eds,

I have read .....



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{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages, this is the Liverpool page.}

19 Feb 2017 11:24:02
Sorry Ed002, I didn't ask that very well!




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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Liverpool - Liverpool has made no approach for the player now or in the past. Why are you so obsessed with him? Try the European pages.}

18 Feb 2017 13:47:22
Got a feeling it might be a big summer ahead for Mr Klopp. I read on sly sports that talks have already begun with potential summer moves through certain clubs and players agents which I love, think purchasing players nice and early in summer helps them settle dramatically and enables them to go on pre-season tours and bond with manager and fellow team mates barring any international duties they may have. iam not particularly sure if we have a bigger youth team or whatever they get called these days compared to other prem clubs but Klopp has mentioned that IF we qualify for champion league then the squad is going to need enhancing as it currently isn't big enough. I jus hope we are open and honest with the younger players and other players we have out on loan and let them know if a future at lfc is possible. if not then sell em on instead of loaning them out all the time. this can't be good for club or player if I'm being honest our loan system policy is rubbish! I can see a lot of outgoings in summer and expect a fair few of the youngsters to be moved on permanently aswel. with a few first team additions added. quality of tbe additions depending on champion league or not. either way I think it could be an eventful summer at lfc.

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18 Feb 2017 13:50:57
Quantity doesn't need enhancing.
Quality does need enhancing.

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18 Feb 2017 14:18:49
quality over quantity all day long, I jus hope Klopp and scouting system see it the same way.

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18 Feb 2017 14:20:28
We need to get rid of the crap and replace it with the good. This doesn't mean we have to add a ton load of players to the squad, includong potential youngsters we have too much as it is. It really can be quite simple. Well said as always Ron.

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18 Feb 2017 14:22:36
I think Klopp saw quality over quantity last summer. So far so good.

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18 Feb 2017 14:28:16
Agree with Ron (again), quality over quantity.

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18 Feb 2017 14:46:33
Can't see klopp signing a load of rubbish so I'd assume it will be a few quality players to add to the first team this improving the squad.

That's how a squad is built, what we use to do was buy squad players thus making no difference to the first team.

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18 Feb 2017 15:11:57
If Klopp pulls a Brendan, kid in a candy shop style then next season is well and truly buggered.

Luckily Klopp has not pulled a kid in a candy shop move since he arrived and cannot see him venturing into such madness.

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18 Feb 2017 19:09:07
I'm sure potential signings will be based on whether we achieve CL Footy.

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18 Feb 2017 18:36:47
Adding new players means selling some of the current players like Can which is again not welcomed on this page what an irony.

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18 Feb 2017 18:44:55
Klopp doesn't buy players that won't improve the team immediately. That was BR's way for the disaster we now know of. We need about 18 players of equal quality in the first team and then pad the squad with the youth players we know can step up. I trust Klopp to do he job as he got us Matip, Mane and Wiji that have massively improved the first 11. We need about 5 more quality players for depth and to plug the wholes still lacking in the team.

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18 Feb 2017 20:04:59
It doesn't matter what he buys what matter is always the quality. New signings should go directly into the first team or atleast on par with our first 11. I expect at least 5 new players.

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18 Feb 2017 23:36:16
The young lads have to win the battle to break into the first team.
Being a skillful footballer is one thing but you also need strength, aggression and the stamina to show them thrir skills in a far tougher environment than what they're used to.

Maybe Klopp made too many changes for the cup games this season but it showed the younger lads chosen gor them matches a hard taste of what is required to make it

And if 1 or 2 of them make it through then the harder work starts trying to maintain it. The work ethic and attitude is as important as the skill set.

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18 Feb 2017 07:57:49
Hi eds,

Could you add any truth to the talk about liverpool and chelseas interest in Mahmoud Dahoud please?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

18 Feb 2017 11:46:14
Back in November 2016

{Ed002's Note - I am only aware of one side having approached Borussia Mönchengladbach recently and it is not Liverpool. }.

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{Ed002's Note - Right.}

18 Feb 2017 11:57:45
Yet some think it is going to be as easy as buttering bread when it comes to signing Dahoud along with mentioning random names Liverpool should sign.

Ed002 has made it clear on quite a few occasions that when it comes to transfers it is not about just paying the fee, the player, agent and selling club accepts and the player is yours. There are many, many other variables when it comes to signing players and clearly majority of fans do not understand this. Ransom names makes fans look even more (no harm intended) daft.

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18 Feb 2017 14:27:33
Exactly max. I have learnt more about how transfer and the non football side of things work on this site, than the bs sly sports throw about every window. All thanks to ed02.

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18 Feb 2017 20:06:34
Liverpool looked at him last summer and decide Can against signing him and went on to buy Wijnaldum.

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18 Feb 2017 22:52:21
So why would Klopp go for Dahoud now if he doesn't think he was good enough last summer? It's not as if Wiji has been a flop cos clearly, he hasn't been.

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19 Feb 2017 11:30:00
Nothing to do with Quality Hamilton. Borussia wouldn't want to sell both of their midfield players last summer hence we moved on to other targets. Dahoud is a quality player with brilliant range of passing. He by no means a reject.

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20 Feb 2017 20:24:10
Your post is actually correct, Harry. However, I'm still unsure about Dahoud especially with Wiji already performing in that role UNLESS both will fight it out for that position ahead of Hendo.

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17 Feb 2017 19:04:29
Let me get this started. Opinions on what we need to improve our squad squad for next season?

In my humble opinion we have more than enough midfielders and our defence remains our biggest stumbling block. Attack we need some more pace.

Mine would be, another forward with loads of pace and Mane style instinct, one adept CB partner for Matip and two adept fullbacks who are able to provide proper width and contribute to our attack.

We do not need to overhaul the squad, we just need to add first team quality players and 4 new additions will be more than enough to take the competitiveness in our squad to the next level.

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17 Feb 2017 19:09:09
You're already writing off TAA? He's going to be a great player for us.

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17 Feb 2017 19:14:31
I wouldn't mind a new cm tbh, if that means replacing Can then so be it, Lucas will most likely be leaving and we're yet to see whether Stewart will step up. A solid engine midfielder similar to Kante/ Gueye would be perfect for Klopp's system, Franck Kessie maybe? Otherwise you're spot on.

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17 Feb 2017 19:20:27
I think a reliable centre back to partner Matip is priority. Lovren can be excellent at times but he's a bit too inconsistent which let's him down unfortunately. Howedes maybe?
I agree that a pacey attacker (especially if couts leaves) is needed as without Mane we look a shadow of our usual selves. Julian Brandt here?
I think only one full back is needed and it is this lad on loan at Nice who can cover both full backs, Pereira. For the first season he can play right back and Milner can continue at left back (as that for me is his best position) and then the following season or the end of next season Trent AA should be ready to start in the first team.
I think a lot depends on formation really as if we play a 433 then that should be adequate but if we play a 4231 then another forward is needed so if sturridge as well as couts leaves goes then a striker is needed so perhaps this is Mariano.
I haven't really thought about this before so it's all off the top of my head so don't hammer my suggestions too much!

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17 Feb 2017 19:27:02
No EpicPotato, I have not written off TAA. I am merely making a point that we need an upgrade on the likes of Clyne as well as move him on. TAA seems to be a youngster Klopp is willing to work with. The lad is only 18, still has plenty to learn and definitely will not be learning much from Clyne.

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17 Feb 2017 19:28:23
We either start to trust Ojo or Ejaria a bit more or we get a LW. We're desperately short of a 20+ goal a season striker too. I still think Lovren and Matip could be our CB pairing. Karius is still good enough to be our no.1 GK. We have a lot of quality youth coming through. Stewart is good enough if we need a CDM. Ojo could be our LW. LB and striker are my main areas I feel we need to strengthen. Milner has done a fantastic job covering but when we break quickly it has to go down the right because Milner is too slow to partner Couts out there. There is Grujic too who is a deep play maker I believe who I almost forgot about. Hopefully he can have another good preseason.

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17 Feb 2017 19:35:50
Why do you believe a player like Kante will be perfect for Klopp's system when he has hardly used a defensive midfielder since becoming Liverpool manager and has not shown any signs in the transfer market that he has been after a DM. Not saying Kante is a natural defensive midfielder but that is his current position at Chelsea.

Arsenal have conceded 2 goals less than us in the EPL this season with two holding midfielders. City conceded one less than us. Our midfield destroyed Spurs and they could not do the same to us. Have we been humiliated as badly as Arsenal this season who play with two holding mids when Klopp has had no intention of deploying a dedicated defensive midfielder?

In fact, were any of our defeats this season down to not having a dedicated defensive midfielder on the pitch?

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17 Feb 2017 19:46:11
I 100% agree with the OP.

Mariano (St), Brandt (Lw), Pereira (Rb), Nacho (Cb) and Tymon (Lb) will do me!

No complete overhaul, just address key issues; pace up top, decent full backs, and a solid centre back.

I don't particularly want us to go and blow everyone out the water with a massive signing as I believe it would affect the harmony and togetherness we have got in the squad.

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17 Feb 2017 19:58:35
Agree MK, however, if Mariano rejected a loan move to us in January then I doubt he will want to come permanently. We also do not know whether Madrid are actually willing to sell him. Also do not believe we need two forwards as that will just set back someone like Woodburn.

One new forward will be enough. Klopp has also pretty much shown that he does not need a striker to see plenty of goals. We are joint top scorers in the League this season without a regular striker as well us leading scorers in the League since Klopp arrived.

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17 Feb 2017 20:18:46
Henderson has been our midfield anchorman this season and doubt that is going to change next season either, even if klopp decides to revert back to a midfield 2.

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17 Feb 2017 20:26:25
An experienced keeper to push and work alongside Karius.
A centre back who is comfortable on the ball to play alongside Matip
A right back to replace Clyne and again push and work alongside TAA.
A young left back ( perhaps Juanma) to again be pushed and work alongside Milner.
An experienced physically strong CDM player ro work apongside Stewart and move Hendo forward.
A left sided forward player with pace and power to add balance.
I believe Firmino is our number 9 and will stay as our number 9. If Sturridge does move on then he may need to be replaced.
Overall we need to add a bit of experience, calm headed football players who can allow our flair players to do what they do best.

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17 Feb 2017 20:53:06
I'm not saying Hendo should be replaced by any means but i don't think Can is good enough as things stand if we want to aim for winning the league, we then have: Wijnaldum, Hendo, Lallana, Stewart and Grujic (who most likely won't be ready next year either considering his lack of game time) .

One injury and suddenly our midfield looks very thin again, we should also have some form of European football next year and that is not enough strength in depth for a 3 man central midfield imo. Someone like Kessie would do much of the running required from our midfield and give us a variety of options, allowing the front 3 to play with more freedom (just like Chelsea)

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17 Feb 2017 21:22:14
Kante is not a defensive midfielder. He covers so much ground and yes he would be perfect for our style. He wins the ball back so much all over the pitch allowing attacks to start higher up the pitch. Klopp's style!

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17 Feb 2017 21:35:24
From what I have seen of Kante, he is very much like Wijnaldum. A box to box ball winner who can run with the ball when required.

If you look at his partners (Drinkwater and now Matic) they are always less mobile players with the better passing range. A similar set up to what we have with Gini and Hendo.

I honestly cannot believe how under rated Gini is on here. Were it not for Mane, I think he would've got serious recognition for his Spurs performance. I really rate him. He just buzzes around doing the ugly stuff very well and occasionally produces a cracking goal or a world class through ball. Excellent foil for Hendo.

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17 Feb 2017 21:42:29
True Max, but I think Mariano is more of the luxury signing anyway. He would simply be to add to the strike force. I think Firmino will still start all the big games as the main striker because Klopp values his pressing so highly.

It could be any pacey striker really, just to replace Sturridge who is looking like leaving. Maybe todays Solanke rumours have legs? Who knows. Either way I I mainly hope we get a proper left winger and a proper left back. Drop Couts into the middle and get Milner back on the bench as a utility player! Our left side is by far our main weakness. Tymon and Brandt would give us great balance. Be nice to add Pereira for right back but to be honest, why not let Arnold play? Start him in there young. He is already good enough in my opinion.

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17 Feb 2017 22:11:59
Loads of midfielders doesn't make a good balanced midfield. There is no genuine cover for Henderson or a holding mid. I would offload Can and buy one player in that position. We need one brilliant passing midfielder and that is not Stewart accrding to me.

A left back is a must and I would sacrifice Moreno for it.

I am not sure how could we bring in a new CB without offloading Lovren or Klavan ( I am convinced we aren't bringing anyone )

A left winger and a striker to replace Sturridge.

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17 Feb 2017 22:01:22
All of this comes down to the amount wehave to spend.

I agree with most about positions needed bit we are not going to get them all in the summer.

It's got to be real quality added if we can't get the main target in a certain position then we leave it and try for a main target in another position.

For me a top CB, matip is injured fairly often and lovren needs leading.

Then a pacey winger to go with mane. When teams park the bus which we will see more often now atleast we have extra movement to break them.

Lastly a quality LB then the rest can wait until another window.

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17 Feb 2017 22:09:22
Priority 1: A half decent goalkeeper who knows how to catch a ball.

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17 Feb 2017 22:26:13
I would think a top class GK is kinda of a must if we can offload mignolet - Jordan Pickford anyone? Ben Gibson at boro looks like he could be a top class cb but I also think Gomez showed he might be able to cut it at the very highest level so would be just as happy to leave the cbs as is and maybe look at the very highest of calibre lb (who is there tho? Hardly lots of them about) .
We can't keep buying players for the academy or older talents like Gomez, Markovic, Grujic and Origi and not giving them time. Same could be said about Ward and Karius too to be fair although I think a mistake by a gk always leads to a goal so it's a difficult place to blood a youngster.

I would be happy to replace Mignolet, Moreno and Sturridge (only cos he just doesn't fit and would be the most saleable asset we have outside of first 11). Think wiji is getting better as season goes on so no need to replace and Mane should get competition from ojo, Wilson and Woodburn next year.

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17 Feb 2017 22:26:03
Exactly WelshRed! We need a physical midfielder to help the energy of our midfield because to expect Wijnaldum, Hendo and Lallana to run a short marathon twice a week all season is ludicrous.

No one is underrating Wijnaldum, I think he's a serious asset to the team but we need some strength in depth which i don't believe Can, Grujic and Stewart are at this moment in time.

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17 Feb 2017 23:21:24
Dont need another nunber 10 unless one leaves so no for brandt.

Lovren, matip, klavan and gomez are sound for cbs.

Cm and lb for me.

Id go for a better quality back up for hendo and gini and there are two starter.

I like the look of tysom.

Maybe more paxe somewhere in the frint. Mariano looks a good player, if we wanr him though we might have to acceot a buy back clause. But if they would give us 2 years or something before activating then might not be that bad.

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17 Feb 2017 23:37:08
Lots of outs for me. with only a few ins. Mignolet, Bogdan, Moreno, Lovren, Sakho, Lucas, Emre, Brannagan, Markovic, Sturridge. i would bring in a CB, LB, CM and winger. something like Brandt, Dahoud, Tymon and i have no idea about a CB but ed002 seems to rate Süle pretty highly so maybe someone like him. then there's a decision to be made on Ward being seen as good enough to compete with Karius or if we need to let him go to develop and bring in an experienced keeper. Begovic or Schmeichel or someone like that.

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18 Feb 2017 03:08:37
Karius will likely be number 1 next season, and I think it a priority to bring in a solid 2nd choice who can do a job when called upon, so I would let Mignolet go.

Klavan is an okay player, but we need an improvement there IMO and I would let Klavan go and bring in a CB to partner Matip with Lovren and Gomez as back-ups.

Moreno has really shown no improvements and I think it foolhardy to wait for him to reach a level he may never reach, so I would let him go and bring in a first choice LB. TAA will be the competition for Clyne and I see no reason to replace Clyne.

In midfield, we need to have better quality, and more competent squad players who can really push the starters. Emre Can, Lucas and Stewart I would let go, thus leaving Henderson, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Grujic and Ejaria. I think we need to bring in a defensive midfielder who can slot in when needed and push Henderson forward if required.

Sturridge will leave in the summer IMO, and Ings is coming back from multiple serious injuries. A striker is needed and again pace maybe something we can look in a potential new striker.

We have seen what pace can do to compliment our pressing style up top with Mane, so this is where the focus should be IMO. Brandt is a wide player, but not particularly quick, but he is a good dribbler and a clever player; I would bring him in as the wide player in addition to Coutinho, Mane, Woodburn and Ojo.

One thing I want to say is that there are one too many idealistic posts here calling for the likes of Mariano, Tymon as well as calling for the likes of Ojo and Ejaria to step and fill int he gaps left by senior players. It might be that they can fill those gaps, but recent history has shown as that waiting on young players to come good is a patient process for which we cannot afford. Give the young players the time to develop through cameos and in cups and with training with the first team, but if we bring in a GK, LB, CB, CM, LW and a ST, it needs to be players ready to step in and perform straight away or we will be here in 2 years time, saying the same thing again, as we have been for a very long time.

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18 Feb 2017 07:54:33
I think we are in a position now where we have a good competitive squad with a great crop of young players busting to get into the team, problem now is, do we manage to keep coutinho firmino? There isn't many that I would change in our line up, think it's time to start buying one or 2 players with all we have available and get the best possible for the position that's willing and fits the mound. Starting with a left back! I have a feeling the club feel Gomes is good enough to become a long term feature at cb with matip 2 fast cb's with pretty much a perfect combo of skill sets. Big question I guess if studge goes do we sign a striker for our system and go 4-2-3-1 again but with new striker with cou-firm-mane and possible hendo wij behind where does that already leave lallana.

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18 Feb 2017 10:17:40
I largely agree with the real AG

As per last summer I expect Klopp to keep the core of the squad together, sell mostly players we aren't using and then buy a few to improve depth. The squad has largely shown it can compete when everyones fit, and it's only when a few key players are injured we have been off the pace (most notably Mane, Hendo and Matip) and in two other notable positions that we've really struggled when everyone is fit (CB and GK) .

By core of the current squad I mean the following

Coutinho, Firmino, Mane
Gini, Hendo, Llalana
Milner, [Lovren], Matip, Clyne

In order of priority I would therefore focus on
1) Bring in a senior GK to compete with and eventually handover to Karius - Migs has had long enough to prove he's the long term solution and not convinced. Suggestion Handanovic
2) Bring in a top CB to compete with Lovren - with recent injury history I'd be tempted to keep both Lovren and Klavan but perhaps Klavan would have to go. Suggestion would be to bring in someone like Tah
3) We really need quality cover for Hendo, it's a crucial role in the team and we don't have anyone who can defend at the level required while still being able to dictate play from the back. Suggestion would be someone like Carvalho or Dahoud, and the space could be created through Lucas's departure (and perhaps Stewart sent on loan)
4) I think we definitely need a goal-scoring wide player to compete with and/ or cover Coutinho and Mane if they get injured. Suggestion seems to be Brandt and space could be created through the sale of Sturridge who is not proving a great fit for Klopp
5) Moreno hasn't worked, I think we should move for Pereira to cover LB and compete with Milner

Do we need another striker? I would argue not with Firmino, Origi, and Ings still to return. I can see the argument if a top player became available though, but would have to be someone at the highest level to justify.

That would leave our first team squad fairly unchanged which is good for consistency

Coutinho, Firmino, Mane
Gini, Hendo, Llalana
Milner, Tah, Matip, Clyne

And subs team as

Forwards : Brandt, Origi, Ings, Ojo, Wilson
Midfield : Dahoud, Can, Grujic, Woodburn, Ejaria
Defenders : Pereira, Lovren, Gomez, TAA, Juanma, [Klavan]
GK's : Karius

That gives a good balance of a strong first team + some real challengers for a starting spot (Ings, Brandt, Dahoud, Lovren, Pereira, Karius) and developing talent (Origi, Ojo, Woodburn, Can, Grujic, Gomez, TAA etc. )

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18 Feb 2017 12:04:23
Ultimately our transfer plans depend on how klopp see's the team developing, what formation he wants to play and what players at the club he likes. Something which i am starting to lose faith in him with given players like klavan, lovren, karius and mignolet have let us down so badly.

If i was Klopp, i'd be looking at it like this:

Goalkeeper - Mignolet has to go otherwise i will never expect liverpool to win anything. We need a mature, first team goalkeeper to play most of the games while karius develops and plays in cup games and the such like, a similar arrangement Barcelona had with bravo and ter stegen. I think handanovic in terms of ability would be a great choice but ideally an english speaking player would be best, as i'm sick of seeing a lack of communication at the back, so i'd probably go for Begovic.

Left Back - Again this is dependent on how klopp see's milner and juanma. Moreno, again, has to go, the guy isn't good enough. If klopp see's milner as the long term choice, we should buy a young left back, like chilwell, who is good enough, or give juanma a chance. I don't know whether signings will happen in this area but the current set up with moreno as backup has to change.

Centr back - Need i say more? Lovren, klavan, sakho, all should be sold. Like mignolet and moreno, they constantly look like rabbits in headlights while playing, except for sakho who i do believe had the right mentality for this club, but then pissed it away with his behaviour. 2 quality centre backs WHO FIT IN are needed. there's no point buying one if they have a lack of a winners personality and can't communicate with their peers. Ihave no answers for this one at all, i would personally have signed fonte. Klopp will have to pull one out of the hat for this one in the summer, i think the personality of the players is key here.

Midfield - Honestly, i like stewart. He should get more games. What we have to decide is whether their are two many workers in our midfield, which i think there are. None of them are players i would want to sell but if klopp wants to buy a more creative player in the modric mould, then maybe one should leave. Personally i would just move coutinho back here to play alongside henderson and lallana, allow stewart to cover for henderson. Wijnaldum, grujic, can and stewart can play of as and when they're needed. Also i have faith in brannagan to be good enough.

Left Wing - Assuming we move coutinho back into midfield, we need another winger. I know nothing about julian brandt but in all honesty, please, no more young ones unless they are fully developed, we might as well be using ojo and wilson here anyway. However seeing as though klopps system relies heavily on wingers and we currently have one first team winger in mane, i genuinly think we need top quality here. A player who isn't a complete melt and won't bottle it when the chips are down, who has confidence in their ability and has won stuff. Aubameyang? We can dream but i think we need someone of mane's quality on the other side of the pitch.

Striker- the biggest conundrum we face. All the strikers we have have thinks going both for and against them. A fit sturridge is the ideal liverpool centre forward for me, but will he be the same player again? Nobody knows, can we afford to wait? Firmino is not a player i rate as highly as everyone else, for me he just isn't clinical, creative or skillful enough despite having a good touch and good movement, he does not apply his ability well enough. Origi has been tragic at times this season but we've seen what he can do, he has serious potential. And danny ings is a player who should fit in perfectly but honestly, we don't even know if he will play again, but we can't just ditch him? Honestly i feel like something has to drastically change but this one is more up to klopp than us. He has more faith and time for firmino than i do. But something has to change in our striker mix for us to be successful.

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18 Feb 2017 10:58:02
Pickford is NOT a top class GK. That is just fantasy. N BTW, all the top GK's are all taken so where are we going to get one, exactly? And NO, Joe Hart is not top class.

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18 Feb 2017 11:11:49
See many going on about Kessie, who I have never seen kick a ball, is only 20 and will most likely need time to adjust coming from the much less physical Serie A and deal with the pace of the EPL so anyone who believes he will just come in and hit the ground running need to have a reality check.

Again, who is to say that this is the kind of player Klopp is interested in? We have Lucas and Stewart who are both defensive minded midfielders but have featured very little in midfield this season. We are better off developing Stewart instead of blowing half of the transfer budget on some player who will get as much playing time as Stewart has this season.

I reckon many are going to be disappointed when the summer window has come and gone and the defensive midfielder majority of fans crave will not arrive. It is quite clear so far since Klopp arrived at Liverpool that he has very little interest in integrating a specialist defensive midfielder into his setup.

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18 Feb 2017 11:46:12
For me a solid busy CM/ DM. our defence gets no protection and therefore are too exposed. this then adds pressure to the GK.

we also need a recognised striker Firminio is not a striker! sturridge is too lazy and very hot and cold.

we just need tweaking.

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18 Feb 2017 11:56:15
We just need a hardworking centre forward who can finish like Aumbamenyang or Lewandowski. Simple. I really think Danny Ings fit the mould but I would buy a back up in Shane Long or even Insignia.

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18 Feb 2017 12:28:43
Woolback, actually, Klopp's system does not rely heavily on wingers. Our wide forwards cut in anyway.

Klopp's system requires his fullbacks to provide the width. Something Clyne has proven not to be very good at. Milner on the other hand has done pretty well getting forward but problem is that he is on his wrong foot.

Begovic will be a pretty decent signing but this ship has sailed. We could have gone for him when he was still at Stoke. There us absolutely no chance Chelsea will be selling Begovic to Liverpool unless we offer double to triple what other clubs are willing to pay so signing him now will make absolutely no sense.

Regarding strikers, I will make the point again. We are not struggling to score goals without a proper striker. Firmino's movement alone, always finding himself in the right place, starting attacks from deep, his game intelligence and his incredible work rate are the reasons why Firmino will always be the first name on the team sheet.

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18 Feb 2017 13:37:56
Look at it this way. Do you want any of gini, hendo, lallana, mane, coutinho or firmino dropped or sold?

No for me. So we can't be spending 30 mil on a back up gor them. Have to use the youth.

Defence. Lovren and matip where sound at the start of the season and for the majority until injuries and afcon.

Need a lb and another cm for cover as can, lucas and grujic are not adaquate enough.

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18 Feb 2017 13:42:43
Anyone rate Butland as a keeper?

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18 Feb 2017 13:56:01
Ron, how much are you willing to pay for Butland and remember one thing, the most important thing about our GK situation. Many of the teams below us will laugh at Mignolet's wages and the teams ahead of us will not be even have a sniff.

I doubt there are many clubs interested in Mignolet so if there is not going to be much interest in Mignolet then he will be at Liverpool next season. If Liverpool want to get rid of Mignolet then he will hold all the cards and the club which signs him will take us to the cleaners.

I honestly believe there will be no GK's arriving in the summer unless Mignolet takes it upon himself to find a new club. Good luck to Liverpool.

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18 Feb 2017 14:54:02
We need a left back to replace Moreno.

We need another fast wide player to compliment Mane and not jeaporadose us when he can't play and we have European football next year and more games. (Think how many wingers Arsenal and Chelsea have! )

We need a holding midfielder to play with Henderson to replace Lucas and Can.

That'll do me for now. Too many changes is just a backward step.

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18 Feb 2017 15:09:35
Need a holding midfielder to play with Henderson. Ha ha, getting more and more ridiculous when it is not a secret how Klopp wants his team to play :-O.

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18 Feb 2017 15:58:38
Max, I think GK is the one position that we can dramatically improve on and it will impact on results immediately.
I'd be willing to pay £20-30m for the right keeper, not sure if that's Butland or not.

It is my belief we have the worst GK situation in the top 6.
Ed002 has implied that Migs will not be happy playing second fiddle so may look for another club. I'm aware we'd take a financial hit but then they shouldn't have been so stupid as to give Migs a 5yr contract.

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18 Feb 2017 16:21:48
Makes no difference Ron irrespective of who made the decision to give Mignolet a fancy new contract. Liverpool are not in the best situation trying to get rid of Mignolet. If Mignolet does not go then a new GK will not arrive. It is as simple as that whether you want to believe it or not so there is virtually no point in arguing whether we need a new GK if Mignolet does not go.

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18 Feb 2017 16:45:33
Ron, that keeper is Karius.

Klopps choice. Got to accept it mate.

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18 Feb 2017 17:25:03
He's not ready Puzzled.

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18 Feb 2017 17:34:45
Well Ron, the only way Karius will become ready is to give him a chance. Karius is not going to do any wore than Mignolet.

Suck it up.

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18 Feb 2017 18:56:13
Ron, and you know he's not ready how? After ten games? If that was the standard then Migs should have been dumped 3 years ago or DeGea would be at Getafe right now as he was that bad after ten games. Come on, man. You're better than that. BTW, with all the 30m GK's taken and us not having a chance at any of them, who should we get? I suggest you get with the programme. Karius will be no 1 next season as was this season before he broke his hand. That's Klopp's choice and that's that.

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18 Feb 2017 19:57:05
We are not buying a first choice keeper nor a £30 mill CB. People need to take those from their bucket list. Klopp prefers Karius as number 1. Let it go that way while he also is in love with Lovren.
I however expect a LB and then attacking players.

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18 Feb 2017 21:19:16
The OP - "opinions on what we need"

My opinion is we need a half decent GK who can catch a ball.
Karius can't/ won't catch, he prefers to flap at a ball.
Until he changes he will never be a decent premier league GK.
It's not the most outrageous suggestion so I don't understand the outrage and scitty comments about "being better than that".
Anyone who has watched us defend crosses can see the fear and bewilderment in our GK's eyes - Migs or Karius.
Klopp gave Migs a 5yr contract and said he's the most intelligent keeper he's worked with. I don't trust Klopp's judgement with keepers.

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18 Feb 2017 22:34:33
Are you doubting Klopp Mr. Believer 😎. Oh My!

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19 Feb 2017 08:49:27
Being a believer is about believing in the team, that's clear from everything Klopp says.
Based on evidence his judgement of goalkeepers is flawed
Last season:
- 5yr contract for Migs
- Migs is the most intelligent keeper I've worked with
- we have lots of quality goalkeepers
This season:
- picking Karius when he wasn't ready then dropping him after the media criticised him.
- chopping and changing between Migs and Karius for the rest of the season.

Anyway that's the end of this thread for me, I feel very strongly about this topic but I don't like monopolising a thread as I know it irritates the eds too. So I'm bowing out of this one.

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17 Feb 2017 11:31:16
Just watch this the next time you lose sight about klopp and this team.

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17 Feb 2017 13:10:43
Thanks supermane. . I was there. What a game. ynwa.

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17 Feb 2017 13:17:04
And lost to Emery, Banega and Krychowaik in the final quite easily.

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17 Feb 2017 13:51:47
Still sends shivers up the spine. Up there with Istanbul.

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17 Feb 2017 16:07:51
Harry to be fair, Sevilla are a very good team and their squad had far more experience in European competition and major finals than we did.

Losing those finals last year was gutting for the fans, so imagine how the players felt. It is part of the learning curve to becoming a top player. Initial failure makes you more hungry to succeed. If it doesn't then you lack character. That applies not only to football, but to all walks of life.

My last employers made me redundant. In hindsight, they probably could've found me a new role within their ranks but I gave them no reason to. I was consistently late for work, took way too many breaks, constantly used my phone, and yet I was always the first person out the door come the end of the day.

So since taking my new role I have consciously changed. I am the first in the door, take minimal breaks, rarely touch my phone except for emergencies and do enough overtime to consider it a second job!

I failed and it made me want to succeed. Footballers should be no different. Tasting defeat will only make them hungry for victory. It is a necessary part of becoming great. And if it doesn't? Well then they never will be great will they and they can retire with runners up medals and be forgotten about.

Every player who walks through the door at Anfield has the platform to become a legend; a cult hero. If they lack the substance for that alone to inspire them to be the best they can be, Klopp will make sure the door hits them on the way out. That you can count on.

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17 Feb 2017 17:06:46
Playing a team who had won the tournament twice in a row, compared to our team who didn't even have a european finalist in its ranks. or even semi finalists? Maybe sturrige in the chelsea squad.

As the next poster said we will learn from that and hopefully during a champions league campaign next year will be better prepared :)

But captain negative you will always find a problem.

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17 Feb 2017 17:18:50
Still gives me goose bumps every time I watch it.

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17 Feb 2017 17:55:05
MK, unlike you the players didn't exactly take their opportunities in the two cups this year mate so not everyone can or will change.

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17 Feb 2017 18:07:17
Same old, we let in soft goals in both Finals, against top teams, you cannot give them a goal start and expect to win .

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17 Feb 2017 18:10:26
"And lost to Emery, Banega and Krychowaik in the final quite easily. "

Deary me, at least we reached our first European final in who knows how long under Klopp along with that lost the match to the a team who had won the Europa League twice in a row and then went onto win it in 2015/ 16 too making it three times in a row.

2 + 1 equals how much Mathematics?

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17 Feb 2017 18:19:37
Anyone who watched that game should have known that we would have a hard time winning it. Why? Whe we went one up, Sevilla never panicked nor got disjointed. They just kept playing their game. That was experience talking as the team who played the final the year before, played last year's final bar Bacca and one other I can't remember. As soon as Moreno (shocking) gave them a chance to equalize, they just took over the game and we couldn't respond. I agree that Klopp could and should have done more to help the players and he admitted that BUT they were just too strong for us on the day. As for the BVB game, LEGEND!

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17 Feb 2017 18:53:27
that video brought back some amazing emotions, what a game! Supporting our club is never a smooth ride and that game epitomises everything we are about. I believe in klopp even if Harry's already written him off, I'm sure he'll be on here next week with a random name we should employ instead of klopp.

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17 Feb 2017 19:13:10
Thanks for posting Ed. I thought the first part was ok, I edited and toned down what I really wanted to say to Harry. obviously was still deemed offensive. Thanks again anyway, you do great jobs.

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17 Feb 2017 19:17:20
How many times has this Harry guy changed his profile name?

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17 Feb 2017 19:19:32
Don't understand why you felt the need to post that, Harry? What has losing the final got to do with the Dortmund game?
Yeah, we lost, but doesn't take away from the amazing emotions felt in those 90 mins, which I guess was what the OP was alluding to.
I have wanted to ask you for ages why you post, because it's pretty much always negative (unless you're talking about other teams and how sensational their players are) .
You have always talked a lot of borderline nonsense, but I remember when it used to be quite positive and supportive. Nowadays, you just seem to be following the trend of slagging the team and almost like when we fail as it vindicates your thoughts and opinions.
I'm pretty sure you'll disagree and argue here, but the fact of the matter is that you are one of these modern fans who moans and enjoys when we mess up. You'd rather us fail and you be correct as opposed to supporting us.
I'm not for one minute saying we should blindly support and not question things at all, but constructive criticism is more beneficial in my opinion.
Like I said before, been meaning to question you're thinking on this type of thing for a good while, as it's getting boring reading how poor we are and how we should follow other teams' blueprints in order to succeed.
Sorry if this comes off offensive, it's actually more a general query with regards to why you post these things and your train of thought when 'supporting' your team?

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17 Feb 2017 21:25:03
Perfectly put forward maneonfire! I thought I was the only one thinking it and was being a bit harsh on Harry. Seems it's not just me!

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17 Feb 2017 21:54:29
It didn't stop Liverpool winning the Champions League in 05 Supermane/ Adam.

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17 Feb 2017 21:46:19
Everyone has a reason when you loose. Some genuine . Some rubbish and some completely out of the blue. Aa far as I remember from this same page we went into the finals as favorites after beating Villarreal quite comfortably.

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17 Feb 2017 23:57:11
We were never "favourites" with their pedigree in the competition! That's rubbish.

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18 Feb 2017 11:04:00
That is false, Harry and you know it. No way were we favs for that game vs the two time defending champs of the EL. Stop posting falsehoods in a bid to slate Klopp. If you want to criticize him for the loss, there re things to pick out BUT don't make things up and use them as facts. You're better than that, mate.

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18 Feb 2017 11:11:26
Welshred84, to be fair, we were indeed favourite after we defeat Dortmund, Villarreal. Even more do when we went a goal up. But we expended so much energy gegenpressing in 1st half we lost it totally 2nd half. I think Emery saw that chink in armour and ask His players to sit deep and play quick passes to bypass pressing . 2nd half, the sevilla players came out charging and we were not prepared for it.

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18 Feb 2017 14:05:54
Leek. Did they come out charging or did they sit deep? Two totally different things. You charge forward or you sit deep which is sitting back. Can't do them both the same time. Your analysis is way off. And we were never favourites, the way we got to the final was epic, emotional etc etc but Sevilla weren't the defending champions for nothing mate. They knew how to win the competition and we lacked experience in them situations. Fact.

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18 Feb 2017 20:00:50

We lost the battle in midfield in the second half against Sevilla while he refused to bring Henderson who was warming on the bench. We lost coz Klopp couldn't deal it.

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