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18 Apr 2019 14:59:33
Oh and also keita has the potential to become world class.

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18 Apr 2019 14:58:54
Eds and reds.

How many world class players do we have?

I think we have 7. With the potential to have 3 more in our fbs and dcm.

Salah
Mane
Firmino
Milner
Henderson
Van dijke
Alisson.

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18 Apr 2019 15:17:13
I don’t think hendo and Milner are world class. World class for me means they’d get in any team in the world or at least be in the top 4/ 5 in that position. Milner and hendo are great for us, but not in that Bracket.

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18 Apr 2019 15:36:44
I wouldn't put Hendo or Milner as "world class". But what is world class? Is it good enough to play for your country or is it the best in the world in that position or as good as Messi and Ronaldo? It's all sudjective. We should just be happy that our team is doing extremely well.

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18 Apr 2019 15:40:17
Robbiesline I think it is so hard to define world class as its a comparison against other players as individuals. I think our greatest strength is our team ethos that klopp has instilled into all of our players and staff. I remember everybody questioning whether shaq would be happy being a squad player and you see him sat on the bench game after game but he's jumping for joy when we score. I think if you could put team spirit under the world class bracket then we are leading the way. As individuals I think we have some fantastic players who are lifted further by the players and atmosphere they currently work in. Our collective makes our good players great.

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18 Apr 2019 16:40:24
For me, World class has always been the top 10 players in the World for each position. Sounds like a lot, but if you take it in the context of all the professional players registered in the World and playing, it's a miniscule amount of players. Like the top 100 players in a field of hundreds of thousands.

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18 Apr 2019 16:53:32
‘Choose the best player for every position and you’ll end up not with a strong XI, but 11 strong 1’s’

- Johan Cruyff

It matters not who is ‘world class’ (whatever that means), who linked with the biggest clubs or has the highest Fifa rating, but how they all combine, as a team, to come together and overcome results. The England National team being a perfect example, had a fantastic pool of players but could never get them to play together!

Maybe if Salah moved to Madrid he would find himself in a different role with less freedom to do as he wants, maybe he wouldn’t even get 15 goals a season; would he still be world class?

Maybe Robertson would be exposed in a team that didn’t have van Dijk in it?

Maybe if Henderson or Milner had never made the jump to a bigger club they would be playing in the championship and nobody would ever notice their quality?

Judging who is ‘world class’ and putting players on some kind of ladder of ability is a very difficult and often subjective thing to do. I have no doubt that with the perfect storm of management, player happiness and team mates you can get something special out of just about anybody. It is all about finding the right piece of the jigsaw to slide into your team at that given moment in time. I think it would be very unfair to the lads to simply list off who is world class and who isn’t because if they didn’t have eachother, they might be playing a whole lot worse.

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18 Apr 2019 17:18:12
Missed robertson. how on earth did that happen? also a fit gomez. nd maybe keita. nd trent against oppents who sit back.

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18 Apr 2019 18:20:10
This players are World Class
Alisson
VanDijk
Salah
Mane
Firmino

This players have the potencial to be World Class
Keita
Fabinho
A. Arnold
Robertson
Gomez.

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18 Apr 2019 20:12:09
VakPa. I'd say Fabinho's already there. We just haven't seen it for a sustained period. Who would you have come in to replace Fabinho? N'Golo Kante is the only name I can think of.

The way Fabinho plays reminds me of Zvonmir Boban (is he on the list Ed001? :) ) . The perfect blend of a defensive midfielder and deep lying playmaker into one player.

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18 Apr 2019 22:56:06
Hendo and milly are in the top 15 midfielders for me. That means world class in my opinion.

They have both been played out of position but when they get in the area they create goals or score them.

Alot of people disagree, ronaldo and messi are the peak of world class but they're in a league of their own.

I think milly and hendo are world class leaders, world class proffesionals.

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18 Apr 2019 14:42:29
How do you guys, eds and reds think pipco will be recieved at anfield? Will he be booed or will he be cheered.

I know its unpopular, but id love him to come back. Everyone said we became a better team last season as we didn't just give him the ball. But he played half the season, and was excellent.

He knows the team, the city, the manager and the club and his kids are scoucers.

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{Ed001's Note - was he really excellent? I don't remember that at all.}

18 Apr 2019 15:24:19
In europe ed01, he was class. Check the youtube highlights of his goals and assists. He scored about 7 before he left.

Didnt he score that free kick that went under the utd wall as they jumped?

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{Ed001's Note - we played in domestic competition as well. Though he was often 'injured' then.}

18 Apr 2019 15:24:45
But do you think he will be booed ed01?

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{Ed001's Note - I hope not.}

18 Apr 2019 16:10:44
I certainly wouldn't be cheering him, put it that way.
The season he left, in the run up to January he was a distraction and the "injury" situation is something I'll never forget in him. He was most definitely not excellent.
When you compare the fan's reaction and the attitude of the player in the case of someone like Babel, say, this will be worlds apart.

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18 Apr 2019 16:13:12
Robbie, I think you and some of us remember Cou's time here very differently. Our front three have been CONSISTENTLY excellent. Cou has never been consistent at in his performances.

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18 Apr 2019 16:38:18
Europe? I remember the europa final against Seville and Coutinho never even showed up, completely anonymous in that game and didn’t affect the game one jot.

He’s gone he’s not coming back and we are doing far better without him.

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18 Apr 2019 16:44:52
At that time and place I always thought of him as the "main man". Sometimes he delivered and sometimes he didn't. But the team has definitely moved on and in a much better and qualitatively higher level. Bringing him back in, would mean filling in a creative offensive need. But we would be sacrificing a lot of our defensive ability in midfield. Just repeating what has already been said on here many times. I'd rather bring in someone else.

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18 Apr 2019 16:51:53
Not sure he was excellent, he feigned a back injury but was fine to play for Brazil and looked like he was sulking when he did play his final games for us.
I only recall him cutting in from the left and shooting from 25 yards all the time, and ignoring players in a better position in that final half season.
Based on that he will likely get a mixed reception at best.

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18 Apr 2019 17:01:17
On his day, Coutinho was a little magician for us, he had some of the best passing ability in the league at the time, plus he improved a lot under us. Most noticably his shooting improved an awful lot while he was with us. I remember him scuffing a lot of shots when he first came here, then he was scoring worldies 2 seasons later.

However, I wouldn't exactly want him back at Liverpool, we've moved on in a way which means we wouldn't be able to facilitate his play style.

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18 Apr 2019 17:17:12
If hesthat good then why would Barcelona want rid of him.

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18 Apr 2019 17:19:52
Suarez - respectful
Couts - boos
Messi - make a song for him! Maybe he will decrease his level then? I hope he doesn't turn up like roma. coz if he does. well good luck to us.

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18 Apr 2019 17:35:35
Maybe I'm wrong, but my expectation the crowd will react positively to Suarez. Therefore, I assume Coutinho will receive at least a neutral reaction, if not a positive one. If he'd joined, let's say PSG, (or if he goes on to join another English club) and we were playing them, maybe he'd be booed then, but I cannot imagine that many will be mean spirited enough to boo Coutinho but applaud Suarez in the one match.

That'd all be fine, except we boo Sterling. Isn't really fair in my book to boo him but not the Barcelona boys. Whilst Sterling's agent didn't conduct himself well, neither did Rodgers (iirc, he started mouthing off in the media about how Sterling was getting a great deal and should sign before Ward or Sterling said a thing) and that I know of, Sterling didn't refuse to train or play.

As for how Coutinho would be received if he returned (which he won't), if he were to score goals and play well for us we'd forgive very quickly. Football is fundamentally fickle like that.

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18 Apr 2019 17:36:19
Don't understand why Suarez should be respected and Coutinho get boos.

I am not a fan of either for the way they disrespected the club and the fans, but believe we should show class, give them a polite round of applause and then whistle and jeer the whole Barcelona team for the 90 mins.

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18 Apr 2019 17:41:09
With you there, Livebird31.

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18 Apr 2019 17:42:54
Suarez and Coutinho should get good receptions at Anfield like all ex-players, in my opinion.

I don’t like the way either left but we must rise above it.
They should both get applause but that’s all.
We must show respect for those who have served the club but we must also show the lads who play for us at the moment that they get a massive reception by comparison.

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{Ed001's Note - I agree with you Ron, and think the same about Sterling as well. No ex-player should get anything other than applause before a game and then we should all concentrate on getting behind our team during the match.}

18 Apr 2019 18:54:16
Sterling is the one who gets dogs abuse yet was one of the only big names to leave who i thought left correctly and had good reason to as well.

I agree Ron we should show respect for our ex players and managers but not embarrass ourselves by singing songs for them during the game. Sod nostalgia, our own boys are the ones making history now and i bet a small part of both of them wishes they were a part of it right now.

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{Ed002's Note - Sterling forced his way out at the behest of his agent and went as far as refusing to get on the aircraft for a pre-season tour.}

18 Apr 2019 19:44:19
I have never had hard feelings towards Suarez or Coutinho (or Sterling or Torres for that matter) and I for one will be applauding them before and after the game and hoping they fail ignominiously during the game. I expect the rest of the Liverpool supporters inside Anfield will do the same. For the vast majority of our supporters, it won’t be about a couple of ex-players, it will be about beating Barcelona and getting to another European Cup/ Champions League final - hopefully against Ajax.

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18 Apr 2019 21:02:35
Its funny to read these posts as a fair few would go nuts when I'd point out he wasn't world class and was pretty much a one trick pony.

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18 Apr 2019 21:03:27
Players come and go so not too bothered really. Now I think Cou and Suarez should get good receptions from the crowd for what they contributed on the pitch for LFC even tho, their conduct was reprehensible at times. Just got to let thing s go and think of the good times they provided to us fans. By the way, it makes us a much classier fan base.

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18 Apr 2019 22:14:37
Every player who used to play for us deserves respect ✊

Well except Diouf, he doesn’t!

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18 Apr 2019 23:00:11
If you think pipco is not good enough to play in our team you are deluded.

If he had never played for us and we were going to sign him we would all be buzzing.

He is world class, and he loves liverpool. I don't think he likes the egos of the Barcelona team, he is more suited to a tight knitted team. Like us.

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19 Apr 2019 07:37:40
And he probably kicks a foot ball better than anyone on the planet. Id take him back. If he joins utd, i may assasinate him.

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18 Apr 2019 12:51:29
Question for one of the Eds.

Am I correct in assuming that the team who plays away in the second leg will get an extra 30 minutes to score an away goal? Or are away goals disregarded after 90 minutes?

Just looking for actual clarification on this!

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{Ed002's Note - No, you are not correct.}

18 Apr 2019 14:40:12
Thanks Ed. Thought it would be ridiculous.

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18 Apr 2019 17:19:07
Good question, got me thinking.

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18 Apr 2019 18:52:04
When did they change that rule? Didn't we get done by Atletico a few years ago with the away goal in extra time?

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{Ed002's Note - They don't play extra time but away goals count during the 90 minutes and again during the extra time. So if it is 2-0/0-2 making it equal after 90 minutes, if both teams were to score an additional goal then the rule still counts.}

19 Apr 2019 08:07:23
So he was correct then ed, if the scores are level after 90 mins, the away team get an extra 30 mins to score an away goal.

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{Ed002's Note - There is extra time and that is it - there is no additional time for the away team to score again. That was tried as the "golden goal" approach and quickly discounted.}

19 Apr 2019 12:51:49
Hey Ed, I think possibly I miss-worded my question.

So the away team in the 2nd leg would get the 30 minutes from extra time to score another away goal?

An example is the following.

Camp Nou-- Barcelona 0-0 Liverpool 90 Minutes

Anfield-- Liverpool 0-0 Barcelona 90 Minutes--
Extra Time Liverpool 1-1 Barcelona 30 Minutes. Bareclona win on away goals.

Is this correct ed? Sorry if you feel like you've answered this but I am slightly confused.

Thanks for your time as always. I can apologise for my slow mind haha.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes. It came across as a "golden goal" question to me - sorry I didn't realise.}

19 Apr 2019 14:17:16
No that's my bad Ed. Worded poorly in my original post. We got there eventually!

Well then, that is a bit ridiculous if you ask me. It technically gives the team playing away in the 2nd leg an extra 30 minutes to get an away goal.

Doesn't seem very fair to me!

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{Ed002's Note - There is a plan to remove the "away goals" completely.}

19 Apr 2019 15:02:57
Hmmm. I am not sure if I agree with that either.

I do like the away goal rule. It gives us drama like the Man City- Tottenham game. They just need to scrap it after the full 180 minutes are up.

What do you think about it ed?

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{Ed002's Note - It was introduced with the idea of trying to keep games exciting and attacking which works OK untill applied - then clubs feel hard done by - if for no other reason it is seen as a distinct advantage for the away side in the second leg who have a clear idea of what they need to do. It was discussed in Rome and again in Geneva in January (with a number of clubs present in Geneva) - albeit briefly as there was a more pressing issue. Even though it has been around for 50 years I expect it to go.}

19 Apr 2019 15:42:11
It'll be intresting to see if it will have a negative or a postive effect on the games. I enjoy and embrace the rule. Then again Liverpool have rarely been on the bad side of it.

Any ideas when it could possibly come into place Ed? Or is it too early to tell?

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{Ed002's Note - There is no plan to replace it with anything - it would just go to penalties. I think a Rock-Paper-Scissors tournament involving all of the players would be great.}

19 Apr 2019 16:16:09
I didn't mean replace Ed. I said "into place" haha.

Season after next or is it impossible to tell at this moment in time? Of course, there's a possibility it may not happen at all!

Perhaps rock-paper-scissors would be best. Would make for great TV.

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{Ed002's Note - A structured tournament, best of five, would only take a couple of hours. Although I remain a fan of Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock. I found this to explain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Q6-wMx-K8 }

18 Apr 2019 14:02:57
What I love about klopp.

One of the things that have made me miss the enjoyment in football is nervousness and apprehension.

Last years final run-up i just did not enjoy. I did not enjoy the build up to the final. The nervousness of knowing if we beat Porto we had the easiest fixture of the other teams. I hated the fact that I looked into superstitions and numbers.

A few things klopp has said has made me enjoy this year without the anxiety of the last few decades.

A perfect example of that was when he said we have THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY BARCA.

I sat back and thought about those words.

Think about those words.

Its a chance to prove yourself.

A chance to show the world who you are.

A chance to go up against the best and prevail.

A chance to show what experience has tought you.

A chance to get to where this team belongs.

An opportunity.

You have to work for opportunities.

Now let's go and work for the next opportunity.

Nothing but positives.

Those words have made me look forward to this game unlike last year.

Then after the game one of the players said we will try and win our games in the league. Aftrr that Whatever will be will be.

Last year I would have assumed that was defeatist.

Now I see it as a sign of assurdness. A belief in ourselves. If you going to take the title, you going to have to earn it.

This team and it's mentality is growing to be champions.

It's coming.

It's just when.

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18 Apr 2019 14:28:55
Too right ravi. We are so balanced but with flair also, i think we are the perfect team to beat them.

And its a privilage to play barca. Amfield is going to go crazy. You'll hear YNWA in preston.

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18 Apr 2019 14:37:33
What he should have said was Barcelona have the opportunity to play Liverpool and good luck they will need it.

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18 Apr 2019 14:41:13
Wait, that seemed positive there Walter?

Are you okay?

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18 Apr 2019 15:00:32
Lol c Matthews.

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18 Apr 2019 16:14:20
NO WAY! Neg Walter made a POSITIVE comment? Hallelujah!

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18 Apr 2019 16:21:21
Nice one Walter, you're almost a believer!

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18 Apr 2019 19:12:54
I think Walter hit unit early. I'm sure the rest of that post was something like. "because FSG have been here for years and we should have been a multiple title winning squad 3 years ago if they spent money, not sold our best players and actually wanted to win things instead of making money. "

:D.

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18 Apr 2019 20:43:52
You've got to beat the best to be the best.

We are really getting there as a team.

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19 Apr 2019 15:30:35
Fully agree robbiesline.

I have watched them a lot this season and they love to be given time and respect.

Man utd showed that they are seriously vulnerable if you believe on yourselves.

I can't think of any time when we have played them and we have at least a 50% chance.

Anfield will rock them.

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18 Apr 2019 13:11:54
Hi Ed001 Hope your well mate
after last night im still smiling but was just wondering now Liverpool are in the semi of champions league and going for the title with Man City.
How much of of an influence will that be having on Agents, and will they now be possibly advising their players to go to liverpool instead of say a chelsea or man u.
I have read somewhere that we might be after Felix of Benfica and a young player like this would an agent say look Liverpool are on the up and are going places forget Barcelona real man city go here.

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{Ed001's Note - they would look more at their chances of playing regularly and the money they will earn before a potential one-off success is considered. If we win this year and win something next year too, then it makes more of a difference. Though it really depends on the player, as they are individuals and have different ideas of what they want.}

18 Apr 2019 13:25:11
Thank you for the reply
I think Liverpool this summer will bring in some real top class young talent who might be more willing to wait their turn to become a regular in the team.

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18 Apr 2019 13:57:07
I would really love him to sign although we have little chance. I had been watching him earlier on in the season on free ports which regularly has Portuguese liga games on and instantly knew that kid had talent.

Then to see him okay like he did against Frankfurt, a long ranger, excellent passing, pressing the lot. Surely a contender for next years golden boy and the most exciting attacking prospect since mbappe.

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18 Apr 2019 14:29:51
Agreed johncrow.

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18 Apr 2019 15:02:28
About bringing in top, young players john crow. I think you're bang on mate.

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18 Apr 2019 12:33:12
Hey lads have you seen the new home kit for next season? 😍 the goalkeeper kit looks beautiful too. As much as I don't like the quality new balance don't half make beautiful kits. Weren't we meant to be getting a new kit manufacturer?

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{Ed001's Note - lovely mate but the deal was always to include next season.}

18 Apr 2019 13:08:07
Love the gk Jersey but I don't like the outfield one's, looks too 'retro' for me. Maybe I'm being a miserable so and so but it really isn't doing it for me.

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18 Apr 2019 13:12:04
Ahh fair enough Ed cheers, hope you have a great Easter weekend.

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{Ed001's Note - I never knew it was Easter. That explains the eggs in the shops. I just never thought when I saw them, other than to be disappointed not to see any Buttons eggs, which are clearly the best eggs ever.}

18 Apr 2019 13:23:04
In my opinion the New Balance kits have been fantastic. Some people may not care what the boys look like on the pitch but for me kits are very important in defining the clubs identity and seperating them from the rest, something the New Balance kits definitely give us. You can tell they do actually try to come up with something different from the rest. If we were to go to Nike for money we would look like every other team out on the pitch and for me that isn’t good enough because liverpool are special!

Kits are an important part of the clubs history. As the years roll by the allow us to look back, point at moments in time and remember fondly the memories associated with a particular season. Would anybody deny that reminiscing about Beardlsey, Barnes and Aldridge would be slightly dented if their Candy kits were swapped out for that yellow and red monstrosity from 2014/ 15? They just don’t make them like they used to and its sad. Not to mention that seemingly every time our kit designers have a stinker our season seems to suffer, whereas a nice looking kit always seems to be associated with positive memories (contrast 2014/ 15 and 2017/ 18 and you’ll see what i’m talking about) .

Obviously it is all about the health and growth of the club going forward and that none of this really matters in contributing towards success on the pitch. But in this ever more corporate and sanitised world of football we have to cling onto what little culture and individuality we have left, and i honestly feel the special treatment we get from New Balance in their kit design goes a long way to preserving our identity. If we were to go towards Nike then it would feel more like us shifting towards a faceless corporate entity like City. If we do decide to leave New Balance, i hope we choose Adidas as our partner, a brand with legitimate history behind Liverpool football club, the city and if we are honest, the North of England as a whole.

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{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't mind if the deal with Nike was for the Jordan brand, rather than Nike itself. The stuff they did for PSG was beautiful kit, only ruined by the PSG badge on it.}

18 Apr 2019 13:58:21
What ruined the PSG kit was the image of the overrated Brazilian p**** Neymar wearing it.

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{Ed001's Note - fair point.}

18 Apr 2019 13:59:16
you can go to an interview wearing that GK suit! It's that good.

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18 Apr 2019 14:15:27
The kit was ruined more when the overrated guy fell to the ground. jesus does he even know how much a Jordan costs?

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18 Apr 2019 15:03:20
Shame, i like the current kit. I like the collar, its cool.

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18 Apr 2019 15:16:20
Ed, even more gutting that the buttons are no longer inside the egg but just in standard packets in the box. The magic of smashing into the egg has been lost!

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - no way! Life is not fair.}

18 Apr 2019 15:18:32
You seen the paisley signature in the collar? 🙏.

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18 Apr 2019 17:42:43
If the leaked NB kit I saw online is what it looks like it is then, I am getting one esp. if we win the PL. It is super awesome.

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18 Apr 2019 19:16:11
Ed1 - given how early shops start promoting holidays you'd be forgiven for thinking Easter is months away! Shops will have Christmas decorations up next week!

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{Ed001's Note - not here they don't mate. Well they might do actually I just don't notice.}

18 Apr 2019 11:52:53
Ed01 can you please preview Liverpool vs Barcelona first leg and second leg separately? Thanks a lot for spending your precious time for all of us. you too ed02.

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{Ed001's Note - if I get the chance I will mate. I just find previews difficult to do as I am so superstitious.}

18 Apr 2019 12:18:57
a breakdown of both semi finals without predictions would be fabulous. Just like you did for the quarters.

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{Ed001's Note - I will try and make time for it.}

18 Apr 2019 14:12:30
If you haven't done it before don't you dare start now!

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{Ed001's Note - I did a preview for the quarters mate.}

18 Apr 2019 15:31:19
I’m with you on the finding previews hard Ed001! I hate doing Liverpool matches as I fear I’ll jinx us!

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{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. It is so hard trying to find something to say without risking a jinx!}

18 Apr 2019 09:14:33
Hi Ed01! Just a simple question. Who will be in the final? Liverpool or Barça?
I'm a bit nervous as Messi is in top form.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't do predictions, they are bad luck and just you asking could have cursed us!}

18 Apr 2019 09:43:35
I'm not drake Ed 😂.

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18 Apr 2019 10:13:45
I think the club should invest in a good PR strategy and sponsor a drake trip to barcelona with a detour in manchester. if he has enough time we should also let him visit, Cardiff, Huddersfield, Newcastle and Wolverhampton. You know, just in case.

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18 Apr 2019 10:16:49
RedEka - your name is very close to a anagram for Drake.

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18 Apr 2019 10:22:26
You have drake in your name, that's enough of a reason!

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18 Apr 2019 10:35:31
Omg I realized it just now! I need to change the username.

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18 Apr 2019 11:58:53
Now we know how Griezmann lost all those finals. It was that hotline bling celebration! He won the world cup, Europa League and Spanish Cup when he eventually stopped. Seems the Drake curse extends to his songs as well.

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18 Apr 2019 13:46:49
You're the Yorkshire/ Electric Drake, mate.

E-Drake

:)

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18 Apr 2019 14:15:58
We are Liverpool. this means more.

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18 Apr 2019 14:31:19
I could see us signing greizman.

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18 Apr 2019 15:27:55
We will be in the final. Salah will out shine messi and win the balon dor.

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18 Apr 2019
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Man City's new sponsors for next season

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