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14 Jun 2018 17:40:24
Salah v/ s Suarez tmrw.

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14 Jun 2018 19:48:57
Suarez will probably bite him.

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14 Jun 2018 21:49:05
Suarez with an afro and salah with fake teeth.

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14 Jun 2018 17:31:08
I don't believe any of the bull the press are coming out with.
Sit back enjoy the world Cup and let's see who we can get, I'm still hoping for a quality keeper were desperate for 👌👌.

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14 Jun 2018 19:29:37
That Saudi keeper looked decent.

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14 Jun 2018 21:50:18
Lol kraemer, that dive to the left before the Russian even pulled his leg back.

4th goal was lush.

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14 Jun 2018 17:02:47
Now it seems alison is off the radar and karius our number one at present. realistically who do we need to go for? I can't see us signing oblak. stick with karius or go for the other mentioned keepers I. e cillesen, butland, pope or any other keepers worldwide? What we thinking?

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14 Jun 2018 17:20:31
Stick with Karius if the other option is to spend a fortune on someone who might not be an improvement. Support the lad and he may surprise us. I wouldn't be against Ward getting a shot to prove himself either.

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14 Jun 2018 17:39:07
Unless we decide to go for someone top level like Oblak, Alisson or Courtois, then we should stick with Karius and bring someone with huge potential in to try to take that spot. I've decided to stop looking at the transfer rumours and start enjoying the world cup.

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14 Jun 2018 18:22:21
Spot on, boys. Stick with who you have if the true upgrades are not available. You don't buy some other bloke who is prolly NOT better than Karius (Pope, Butland, Fabianski etc) . Allison, Oblak, Leno are off the radar so everyone better get ready for Karius/ Ward in goal for next season. at least.

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14 Jun 2018 19:18:33
Karius will not be the keeper he was last season.
Like a floored boxer, he will never be the same keeper.

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14 Jun 2018 19:31:09
Do they keep the radar in the same place they keep the war chest?

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14 Jun 2018 21:51:22
Ron is right.

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14 Jun 2018 22:09:00
Ron, I'm you are aware that a multitude of "floored boxers" have come back to have great careers even Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray, Holyfield, the list goes on as I am a huge boxing fan. Also, how do you know he will never be the same again? Can you tell the future now or just wishing upon a star?

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15 Jun 2018 00:16:31
Sorry, do you mean floored as in knocked to the floor or flawed as in has flaws? The boxing analogy could go either way with that one.

He was never going to be a top keeper. That match won't have helped and the way the whole world will now be waiting for him to fail again will only make it worse. If he recovers and becomes what we all hope he will, I shall doth my cap. I won't be holding my breath on that one, however.

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15 Jun 2018 06:31:34
Bardzo, I meant floored. First time a boxer gets badly knocked out it’s VERY rare they ever fully recover.
There are a few exceptional champions who did, like Lewis.

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14 Jun 2018 16:41:20
I’m curious to know why people are so set against a Butland type signing.

90% of posters on here were dead set against signing AOC and Robertson, and have since held their hands up and admitted they were wrong.

Is there not a chance the armchair scouts could be wrong again?

The Butland signing wouldn’t excite me but I’m not opposed to it either. The scouting team have done well over the last 3 windows so I’m prepared to trust them.

Bring on the disagrees 😅.

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14 Jun 2018 16:56:19
Because people are smarter than the Liverpool recruitment team.

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14 Jun 2018 18:25:37
87red and Kramer, it's called airing your opinions on a public forum for honest debate. You think Butland is good enough. I and many others disagree with that opinion hence, debate. It has nothing to do with being armchair-whatever the heck that means or knowing more than LFC's recruiting team as that is just a pointless statement as that is not a debate is for. It's a debate so feel free to join in and enjoy the back and forth or well, don't.

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14 Jun 2018 18:42:17
The thing is that we’ve seen Butland makes the same mistakes (and more) that Karius has been pilloried for. So why spunk £30m on him for the same as we already have? My view is that unless we can or are willing to buy an elite level keeper. Then don’t waste the money.

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14 Jun 2018 19:10:06
Frankly, you are correct BUT having watched both a lot this season (as I watch a tonne of PL games apart from those LFC participate in) and frankly, Butland not only made similar mistakes, he made MORE mistakes than Karius did. Trust me if Butland was not English, I can guarantee you that NOBODY would care for him. Butland is poor and does not even qualify as an "upgrade" to Danny Ward.

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14 Jun 2018 19:20:16
Butland has the potential to be world class, I don’t benieve Karius will ever fully recover from the CL final. It was the most public humiliation in club football.

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14 Jun 2018 19:34:25
Totally agree with Ron. Now he seems to be over his injurys I think he will blossom into a very decent keeper. He might not make world class but will be just under the top keepers.

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14 Jun 2018 19:36:17
There is airing your opinions and then there is repeating the same thing over and over and over again. Those of us who would be happy to give Butland a chance get shouted down by the naysayers who quite frankly have a terrible record when it comes to players, the Ox, VVD and Robertson being three examples.

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14 Jun 2018 19:41:29
Frankly - respect your opinion but you have to take into account that Butland has far much more to do than Karius, what worries me is that Karius could be smoking a cigar for much of games but still makes errors. Top keepers are always alert.

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14 Jun 2018 19:54:27
It’s a tough one right I can’t see Karius recovering either personally
Thing is our keeper may go 6 games without needing to make a proper save so we need someone who maintains concentration and focus Aswell as being good on the ball and a good organiser.

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14 Jun 2018 20:30:06
Butland is a mid to lower table keeper. He’s made some horrific mistakes this year. Absolute howlers under no pressure from nothing situations. There’s no point wasting any money on a keeper who is prone to dropping a bollock every game.

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14 Jun 2018 21:06:56
According to the official premier league statistics Butland made 1 error leading to a goal all season. Maybe you were watching a different goalkeeper.

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14 Jun 2018 22:13:24
Lies, damn lies and statistics. He made a hell of a lot more than just one. He dropped the ball at Everton under no pressure to gift them a goal, he gifted Spurs a goal with poor positioning and lack of concentration so the ball went straight over him, there was the goal against Leicester where he virtually threw the ball into his own net, I could go on. So no, he’s not the answer. Watch the player not useless stats.

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14 Jun 2018 22:21:00
Spot on, Frankly. It is interesting to see those who wanted a top GK to come in now go for the next "big" thing as no top GK will be coming in as it stands. I don't have a prob with that HOWEVER, if that next "big thing" is the poor relegated Butland from relegation fodder Stoke then there is a swamp down in Florida that I would like to sell you.

What is also funny is that some say that a guy who has NEVER played for a big club, who got relegated with Stoke, is suddenly more experienced than one who had the most clean sheets in the CL this season, whose penalty save vs Spurs kept us in the hunt for top 4 at the time, a guy who conceded 1 measly goal vs City in a two legged q-final. Again, if you believe that then I have a swamp in Florida I would like to sell you.

The fact is that if Kaius needs replacing, great get it done BUT sorry, the Butlands of this world are not the answer. Why? He was at Stoke for a reason cos if he was that highly rated as many say, he would not have been there that long. Karius went from Mainz to LFC. Why? Cos Klopp thought at the time that he was that good. Why was Butland still at Stoke till relegation? Cos he was not that good.

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14 Jun 2018 22:41:59
What planet are some of you on. Butland made some errors but the gravity of Karius’ mistakes are unforgivable. In addition, Karius has hardly been prolific. I mean off the top of my head the Spurs game with his dodgy parry to Wanyama is an example of his ineptitude. Has to go he’s not good enough.

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15 Jun 2018 00:15:42
Doncopey1, the point is, if Karius isn’t good enough, then neither is any of Butland, Pope, Navas or Cillessen. As they’re not better and in Navas and Cillessen’s case they’re significantly worse. Now when you say the mistakes are ‘unforgivable’, I’d interested to hear your opinion on Gerrard?

When we won the champions league he threw the toys out the pram and demanded a move to Chelsea, he was involved in that fight in a bar and he was at fault for us losing the title with his slip against Chelsea? So by that measure, Gerrard can’t be a legend because his slip cost us the biggest trophy of all? As far as I’m concerned saying things like that makes a mockery of the words you’ll never walk alone.

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15 Jun 2018 07:28:24
Yeah but you’re not really addressing the question me shankly.

You in particular are one of the worst offenders. You were so against AOC and like whenever you don’t fancy a player you troll every post that their name comes up.

I also don’t buy BRover argument about relegation fodder stoke - like Robertson at Hull right?

And BRover, I’m not in anyway saying people can’t have opinions. I’m just asking how these people who have such strong opinions can’t admit there’s a chance they could be wrong about Butland as they have been so many times in the past with AOC and Robertson etc.

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15 Jun 2018 18:45:26
Butland was a promising youngster who has failed to live up to that and makes mistakes on a regular basis. He’s been particularly poor this season which is part of the reason that he not only lost the England number one jersey, but cost Stoke valuable points at against Everton, Spurs, Bournemouth and Leicester to name a few. Yes I was against AOC signing because based on the available evidence it looked like a waste of £35m. However in his case it’s player who was often played out of position and not used correctly by his former employers. In Butland case it’s hardly comparable, since Butland plays a specific position. Butland only looked ok behind a packed defence, when not playing behind a packed defence his weaknesses are horribly exposed. His distribution is poor, his concentration and positioning are poor and for a man of 6’5” he is poor on crosses. If the only basis people are suggesting him is because he’s English, available and they’ve heard of him, that’s a weak basis on which to sign a player.

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14 Jun 2018 16:31:20
Great to hear Salah is fit once again! Egypt to win the WC now ;) .

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14 Jun 2018 18:08:29
Is he fit to start tomorrow? I worry he's going to play through the pain and risk causing serious injury to himself. especially as he's carrying that Egypt side. Id love to see him have a great world cup but my selfish side would much rather him come back safe and sound and fit for preseason!

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14 Jun 2018 18:28:46
Yeah he's fit for tomorrow mate. I completely agree with your concerns, I'm the same mate. I'm chuft for him but worried he may be back too early? hopefully we're wrong, he has a great WC and comes back fully fit.

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14 Jun 2018 18:29:08
I'm just happy that Salah will play in this WC. He has worked so hard thru his career to be where he is and tho, Ramos has done him in the CL, life goes on. Salah is THE hope of a whole country and it would have been tragic if he did not play this WC, one where he was virtually, the main reason they made it to begin with. Whatever happens afterwards, we'll deal with it. For now, super chuffed for him and Egypt. Go get 'em, Mo!

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14 Jun 2018 21:09:37
Well fingers crossed he doesn't do himself any more damage and ideally has a good world cup! Then comes back safe and ready for a massive 2nd season!

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14 Jun 2018 22:11:08
He will be fine. Have faith.

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15 Jun 2018 12:58:07
hes on the bench.

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14 Jun 2018 15:34:25
Well it seems Alisson is close to signing for Real. (Diario AS)
We have to support Karius pretty sure now he will be our number 1 this season.

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14 Jun 2018 15:58:31
Is Alisson the only goalkeeper in world football we could buy?

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14 Jun 2018 16:22:08
If the other options are Navas, Cillesen, Butland or Pope then I’d stick with Karius and Ward as none of them are better or worth the outlay.

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14 Jun 2018 16:36:17
I quite agree. I'm not thrilled Karius will be number one but if we can't get something better I'd rather keep with what we have.

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14 Jun 2018 17:21:24
Reports now saying we’ve agreed a fee with Roma for him. Doubt it’s true but they’re saying £57 million.

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14 Jun 2018 18:03:42
Jonesred, its only the Daily Star that say we have agreed terms. All other outlets are saying that Roma have granted him permission to speak to Real Madrid, unfortunately : (.

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14 Jun 2018 18:42:26
ED02 already said that Allisson was a non-starter cos RM were nailed on for him at the time. Allisson always wanted to go to RM and it has happened. Like Frankly said, spare us the Popes, Butlands, and all that other stuff. For me before the final, Karius was deemed to be better than all of them overall and for me, his two errors should not change that big-picture fact, overall. Karius is not perfect and needed to improve, CL final or not so the question becomes, "Can he come back mentally from this? " Well, that depends on him, Klopp and how the fans react to him when he concedes or makes a mistake. We shall see.

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14 Jun 2018 14:58:56
It's funny how Madrid fans are disappointed at signing alisson while we would kill to get him.
Never liked him and he was never going to be the answer for us. Our keeper needs to be a personality. Allison is just a kid. No way he could have handled the pressure at lfc.
All behind karius.

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14 Jun 2018 15:12:49
No, our keeper needs to save goals.

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14 Jun 2018 15:59:36
I’ve only seen Alisson play twice, he conceded 7 goals in 2 games. I won’t be crying over him joining Real Madrid.

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14 Jun 2018 16:38:13
We have to buy a new keeper, imagine karius when he makes a mistake he will be murdered. by opposition fans and most likely his own will be on his back. He will be massively nervous as well. I wouldn't of minded giving him a chance before the c. l final but I think we have to buy a keeper. I'd rather have butland than not buy at all. Not ideal but definitely better than karius.

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14 Jun 2018 17:52:59
Therefore Kramer, you can't judge him, not on two performances. The lad is the real deal, if you watched him more you'd see this. Alisson joining RM is hardly a surprise but they're getting a top keeper in him.

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14 Jun 2018 18:52:07
Kramer, you sound bitter. If you have seen a player play twice then sorry, whatever judgment you make of him, lacks any substance cos you have next to NO sample size to make a very comprehensive judgment. Allisson is a very good GK and that is a fact, 7 goals conceded or not. Oh and btw, it's like saying that cos you ONLY saw Ederson 4 times and he conceded 7 goals in 4 games vs us suddenly makes him a poor GK where as he is not.

RM fans wanted DDG and have been for years now BUT have been deluding themselves into thinking that he will come t them whereas we all knew the mancs would never sell to them. If they are disappointed, then that is their shame.

Akshit, Allisson is 25 and not a kid so your post just sounds childish and bitter. He chose RM over us just like other players rejected other clubs to join us. It happens all the time so stop with the bitter comments as you are better than that.

Also Lfcdiamond, Klopp does NOT need to do a damn thing to please me, you or anyone else. He needs to do what is best for the club and he is pretty good at that. Hence, he will NOT be signing "any GK" to placate the fans. That is not his schtick so if you wanna get pissed if we don't get a new GK, then I suggest you start now cos Karius will be no. 1 as things stand.

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14 Jun 2018 19:21:56
Brover. get off ya high horse. and stop telling people what will happen. u don't know anything, so calm yourself down and we will see what happens. One thing is for sure, your opinion is no better than anyone else's. Bye bye.

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14 Jun 2018 19:22:44
First of all it's not bitter I have always mantained alisson wasn't the answer.
Second of all 25 for a goalkeeper with 3 years top flight exp is a kid.
Thirdly u cannot buy a goalkeeper for lfc every single mistake is going to be scrutinized. We need to groom one just our luck.
Fourth 80 million on a keeper! That's baloney.
Fifth everybody's opinion is accepted on this site. I will take your point when you present an argument to why alisson would surely solve our gk problems and not just slag on about how everyone's a bitter and childish.

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14 Jun 2018 19:23:08
I agree with lfcdiamond1.
I don’t hate Karius, I just can’t see him ever getting over it. The first 30 yard shot he’ll be jittery, the first time he throws the ball out he’ll get dogs abuse. He’ll never live it down.

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14 Jun 2018 19:40:22
I’m not bitter, I was just stating a fact, there is no need to get your knickers in a twist. If you think Alisson is a great goalkeeper then good for you, I haven’t seen him enough to judge so I won’t be getting upset about it .

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14 Jun 2018 21:10:26
Brover lost a lot of my respect with that post. Cheers Ron. No one is hating karius. . Far from it, just an opinion of what will happen. Lad is on a hiding to nothing.

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14 Jun 2018 13:34:35
Hi Eds.

First off thanks for the continued great work you put in to keep us all informed!

Just wondering if there was any kind of news ..................

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{Ed002's Note - I am sorry but this is the LIVERPOOL page - I don't get why you are asking here.}

14 Jun 2018 18:05:06
"just wondering if there was any kind of news-paper that is more absorbent than the others if you are caught short without toilet roll? "

I would suggest that a nice thick broadsheet would be best in a pinch :)

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14 Jun 2018 13:08:57
Big thumbs up to Benny and anyone else involved in organising the charity match on Saturday. Gutted that I can't make it to support everyone but hope you all have a fab day.
Benny - I know you are streaming it on Facebook, but have you thought of taking some photos and uploading to the rouges gallery (sightings page)?
You never know, Macca might turn up and we can dispel the myth as to his aka.
It would be interesting to finally put some faces to names and I bet a lot of us would be surprised (pleasantly or not) about what our fellow posters actually look like. Just an idea.
Good luck guys.

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14 Jun 2018 13:48:44
Agreed mate! Wish everyone best of luck. It's fantastic what you're do It and I hope everything goes to plan for you all.

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14 Jun 2018 16:22:55
Well done to all concerned.

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14 Jun 2018 13:01:20
Ed001 Am I right in thinking it will be impossible to sign anyone involved in the World cup, meaninh business can only be done after it?

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

14 Jun 2018 17:25:47
The players club and agents are the ones who do everything whilst the player can focus on whatever they are doing.

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14 Jun 2018 17:35:25
I was thinking more of the player doing a medical etc and agreeing which club he is going to, whilst he is away with his National team.

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