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14 Dec 2017 07:24:33
Last night started with klopps press conference before the Derby, he played right into the media's hands when they pushed him about Henderson not playing in the spartak game.

Instead of pouring water on that line of questioning he got prickly about it and told everyone that Henderson would be playing on the Sunday, I feel this influenced his team decision (if I can drop the captain, look I can drop these two as well! ) he was played by the media which subsequently led to the furore of his team selection before and after the game.

Then came the result on Sunday which created all the wrong headlines and unnecessary pressure leading into last night's game, pressure on klopp translates to the players which gives you last night's result and performance. Let's hope klopp has learned from this and is more guarded in the future.

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14 Dec 2017 08:53:58
Or maybe he knows that there is a busy Christmas period coming up and knows he can't play the same 11 in every game and rested a few players accordingly? Seems logical to me!

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14 Dec 2017 08:59:32
He doesn't seem to be handling the pressure very well at the minute all this "you blame me" and "this is my life" stuff. It's like someone's held a gun to his head and forced him to take the job. He does put too much pressure on himself with his comments "if I'm here 4 years we will win at least one title". That's looking a long way off at the minute.

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14 Dec 2017 09:05:22
You are wavering Ron! Have you lost your mojo? Its not like you to be so down beat!

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14 Dec 2017 09:33:54
I agree. Recently the pressure looks like it's getting to Klopp, he seems far more uptight and agitated.

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14 Dec 2017 10:47:16
Can you blame him seriously? He rotated and won 3 4 games nothing said. Yet minute players throw game they should have win away everyone suddenly saying oh it's rotation! They gave him grief for taking Salah off as precaution of his best player coming into busy period and having slight injury. Yet in disbelief am reading today he's getting a hard time for leaving Salah on last night as he looked tired! I honestly am at a loss.

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14 Dec 2017 11:05:33
I agree Coco. It’s absolutely ridiculous. He rested players against Chelsea and Everton and but for a freak goal and a woeful refereeing decision not to mention Mane and Salah missing sitters we would’ve won both games! How can that be down to rotation? Then he plays the Fab 4 last night and we don’t score so he should’ve changed it! If I was him I’d seriously be thinking of Bayern at the end of the season because he just can’t do right for doing wrong with some of our idiot fans.

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14 Dec 2017 11:20:03
Chucking away the HOME derby, like I believe he did, is obe of the worst errors a manager can do in my eyes. Going to take a while for me to get over that.

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14 Dec 2017 11:56:16
Waro, you are making 2 and 2 out to be 5, IMO. He saying Hendo would play vs Everton has nothing to do with the media playing him. The fact that some of our own fans hate the captain. is what should outrage you. It was these fans that started this farce about the captain not playing, means he is crap.

Pep does not play Kompany due to his injuries BUT no one says a thing cos well, it is not relevant as he is managing his fitness and so is Kopp with Hendo. But it's an issue cos well, it's Hendo. It is the pathetic media narrative that the captain. must play when fit that is the issue and you are falling for it. He defended his captain and Hendo played well IMO vs Everton. Coaches defend players and captains all the time so what changed? Cos Klopp did it? Nothing to see there and we move on, IMO.

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14 Dec 2017 11:57:32
Don't know where you have read people criticising him about salah last night ings, I've not seen that!

You're being a little blinkered here, klopp got it wrong v Chelsea as well by the way, there's nothing wrong with squad rotation but not in massive games, he plays the same team as the previous weds on the Sunday and imo were 3 up at half time against Everton because they didn't defend particularly well, take your two players off there at half time when the game is won, ditto the Spartak game.

I love klopp and hope he's hear for many years, but he's been a smart arse a few times this season and his interview after the Derby showed he knew himself he'd got his selections wrong, we've had worse decisions go against us than that since he took the job and was always pragmatic with his interviews, but his reaction suggested he knew he'd messed up and his subsequent apology at the end of the interview showed he knew he'd lost control. Saying he should go to bayern is a similar dummy spitting reaction and shows a lack of class.

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14 Dec 2017 12:07:23
Ron, if we as fans are frustrated as heck over the past two games (where we did not lose, btw) why would you think the manager won't be? All managers are like that as it was the fine margins that did not get us two wins i both games and we all are livid. Klopp is emotional and lives games w/ his players and the fans which is why majority of us love him. He sees the players everyday and how much they try so he is not only frustrated for them. He is for he rest of us as well. Pressure is secondary as it is part of the job.

Wenger and Mou for ex., do not hide their frustration very well at times esp. Wenger who just starts insulting the journalists and calls them all types of names. Pressure is everywhere in the PL and there is nothing wrong with Klopp getting frustrated cos well, all managers are COS of the pressure. You're losing your mojo mate. I feed off your optimism here.

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14 Dec 2017 12:57:19
I thought Klopp understood the fans but the derby error shows I was mistaken. If you don't pick your strongest team in the Merseyside Derby then you'd better hope you win otherwise you've upset the fans for the season.

That's my take on it, happy to accept if I'm on my own with it though.

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14 Dec 2017 13:53:59
First off, the Chelsea game; Klopp got it bang on, which is why we were beating the reigning champions with 5 minutes to go before Mignolet made the worst goal keeping error I've seen this season. Klopp's only mistake is continuing to pick Mignolet which he only does because fans bullied Karius out of the team. The rotation worked perfectly and our freshness saw us outplay Chelsea comfortably.

Onto the Everton game, Klopp picked the best team he had available. Klavan played because Matip was injured, Robertson played because Moreno was injured, Chamberlain played because Coutinho was ill, and Solanke played because Firmino was suffering from fatigue. No surprise considering he has been involved in every game except the League Cup this season, and had to be subbed vs Spartak because he looked shattered. Henderson is captain and first choice, like it or lump it. Klopp made that clear in his interviews. Can, despite his support on here, is nowhere near as good as Henderson. He is positionally inept, over plays it, and at times you can tell he wants to leave. Milner played but I'd assume that was because Gini has been terrible this season and Lallana is still injured. Some may prefer Can, but Milner had just come off the back of 3 assists against Spartak, and he presses the ball better than Can does. I expect Lallana would've been in the team instead if fit. Klopp picked the best team he had available for the derby and but for some bad decisions by both our forwards and the referee, we'd have won.

Klopp's only error in all of this is not signing a centre back in the summer, and refusing to drop Mignolet. People are literally making up reasons to moan though, instead of focusing on the actual problems at hand. If the rotation is so bad, why are we unbeaten in 11 games since we started doing it? That is the longest unbeaten run of any other English side right now, as Man City lost in the Champions League a week ago.

Why is the glass half empty for so many on here? We're joint 4th and we're playing in the last 16 in Europe for the first time since 08/ 09. Some people will never be happy. Ron, what has happened to you? 😭 you're usually so upbeat. A draw is still a point gained and it keeps the tally ticking over even when we're in bad form. Keep calm and carry on.

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14 Dec 2017 14:43:18
To me Can os a overall better cm than Hendo is, i have nothing against Henderson, and i love his mentality/ workrate but Can has better pace on the ball, better shooter, much more physical and i also believe he is going to get better, while Hendo is clearly not getting any better.

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14 Dec 2017 15:28:39
Not sure why your bringing another player and another team into it Brover? People have there opinion on players and I've learned to accept that over the years whether I agree with them or not. I believe klopp handled the pre derby press conference poorly, it has nothing to do with what game Henderson played in or not, there is a time for rotation and Chelsea and Sunday were not the correct times to do it, Sunday in particular because the furore it caused had a knock on effect to last night imo, and that's all it is, my opinion and I'm not trying to pass it off as fact and I'm not calling people idiots the way another poster just has, the only positive is that there are plenty of opportunities to put this right and hopefully we do. You need to learn from your mistakes, again hopefully we do.

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14 Dec 2017 15:47:12
MK your really think klopp took karius out of the team because of fan pressure, your insinuating that the fans pick the team? Wow, that's a bigger insult to klopp than anything I've read on here. Karius was taken out of the limelight for his own sake as he was rivaling mignolet for incompetence, which looks to be a decent decision as he seems to have improved being eased back into the team. I'd say that with a full strength team we would have won that day, but that's just conjecture.

Were are you getting this information from about the team picked for the Derby? Because everything you have just said about firmino fatigued couthiho illness? I saw none of this mentioned before the game and seems a convenient excuse after it, just like the salah niggle hence the substitution when he had Martina on toast all game yet still played against West brom, coutinho didn't look to Ill in the tunnel after the game were he was kicking a door in frustration at the result, and your view on Can and Henderson is bordering on pontificating, you seem to be passing your opinion off as fact.

By the way MK, you can remain unbeaten all season and be relegated so unbeaten in eleven means very little, klopp has many positives and is the right man for the job and will get it right, but he like everyone else in life makes mistakes, it's how you react to mistakes that make you a top manager and I'm sure he will react in the correct manner.

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14 Dec 2017 16:10:24
MK

Karius was taken out an year ago and you still think he is not ready to face the light? Lol! How about Can ( he has been on the receiving end of abuses form a long time and still keeps his place ) . Karius was taken our coz he was crap in the beginning! If the manager picks a team baased on couple of Facebook post then dear o dear!

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{Ed001's Note - he was not crap unlike your support of our team.}

14 Dec 2017 16:40:16
Why is the glass currently half empty?
We've just drawn the Anfield derby against a team in absolute turmoil whilst we came off a 7-0 win.
If that wasn't disappointing enough we threw it away by playing a weakened team. Seriously? A weakened team in the derby? Never would have happened in the past.
So people come out and say well he's done that to keep the players fresh. Then we watch one of the most stale abject performances at home against a team which hasn't won for 16 matches and fail to score against them.
We're out of the league cup. We're miles behind in the league. So we're looking at FA cup or champions league win. FA cup we play Everton (hmmm not quite as confident now) and champions league needs a huge slice of luck to win.

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14 Dec 2017 16:51:25
Can't believe people are comparing Klopp with Pep.
Pep's team are 18 points ahead of us after 17 games and thrashed us in the league.
Pep's team has just set a new record of 15 wins in a row.
They are top scorers in the league and have a monster goal difference. They are accelerating away from us.
They are in 4 tournaments still.

If Pep wants to drop Kompany, he has a lot of credit in the bank before anyone can criticise him.

He has also just won a derby, away from home 🤔.

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14 Dec 2017 18:35:49
Ron Keague welcome to th real world. Hopefully some of the others will join it soon.

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14 Dec 2017 19:48:50
Sorry fellas but for me Klopp’s error came at 3 and 4 nil v Spartak when instead of resting 2 out of Coutinho, Bobby or Mane ready for the Derby he took off Lovren? Fat lot of good that did as resting him made not a jot of difference to his concentration.
Then he got suckered into the “only play home grown in the Derby” BS and it cost us. You are not telling me that Bobby and Coutinho can’t take care of themselves in a Merseyside Derby against a pitiful Everton side that didn’t lay a glove on us in the first half.
It should have been the team that started last night get 3-0 up and then rest players for Tuesday. Last night would have suited UK players better as it was a physical game, Solanke and Ox contributions showed that. Can and Gini were awful and the pace of our play was dreadful.
We now need a winning Christmas period or we will be way off 2nd and 3rd by mid Jan.
Will be intrigued to see who starts in the FA Cup now.

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14 Dec 2017 21:39:17
Spot on, MK. Sono, Firmino is suffering from fatigue as he an Salah play all the games. Cou had a knock after the Spartak game and had not trained since that Wed before the derby while Moreno was injured. With this in mind, how on earth could Klopp had played his first team vs Everton?

You guys seem to forget that lack of rotation cost us in Dec. -Feb of last season and Klopp is trying to change that and avoid this happening BUT all goes to crap suddenly cos we did not win a derby vs Everton where we were should have won handily with the team he fielded considering the injuries on the table. Yet all the points we had picked up prior (!4 out of 18) came from the same rotation policy.
As for WBA, we played our best team YET we were not good enough as we were disjointed in attack so again, cos you play your full team does not mean you will win. Let the manager do his job cos footie is not an exact science.

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14 Dec 2017 21:45:57
Ron, everyone is miles behind City so not too bothered about that. Our boys were not good enough vs WBA and no one is defending that either. If you wanna compare us to City, good luck with that as you will be disapointed everyday as they are on another Solar System compared to EVERYONE else in the PL and not just us.

Our only issue is that people should stop blaming the rotation cos Klopp told us before hand that he would do that and by and large, it has worked (18 points from 24) and tho it is frustrating to not win games you should, that does not mean the rotation does not work. You cannot say that a system is great when it is working and then turn on it cos you did not win a game or two. IMO, that makes no sense.

If it was not and we had no success then I would agree. I don't as the nos, show it is working and not winning a derby or fluffing our line vs WBA, does not change any of these facts. God bless, my friend.

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14 Dec 2017 23:17:14
Welcome to the real world Ron, A place where you are certain to receive stick from posters lol! I can’t belive people are crediting Pep now!

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15 Dec 2017 00:03:18
For me there is "rotation" which Rafa used to do - changed his line-up 99 matches in a row- and then there is 6 changes for a derby match from a team which won 7-0.
One was expected - Karius, one was enforced - Moreno, but that still leave 4 changes out of 9 positions. That's excessive, unnecessary and ultimately counter-productive.

We fell apart last season because we lost our best player - Mane - who was the player with pace to unlock defences.

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15 Dec 2017 09:04:26
Waro, no one called you names or anything like that, mate and nowhere in mky post did I project your opinion as fact. You gave your opinion, I disagreed with it and that is all. You are free to give your opinion as I am free to critique it. You say Klopp should have picked this or that player for this or that game. Neither you nor I can say that in any way possible w/ o having the info Klopp has about the players' fitness levels during the busy period.

Klopp said he is rotating and has been rotating for weeks now and we have been globally successful at it as one fluke goal and one dodgy penalty does not change the fact that we have taken more points since the Spurs debacle than any other PL team bar City. If you thought he would not rotate then that is you did that on your own as he told us all he would during this period.

You say he should play his best lineup in the derby and we should have won. Well, we were close to winning the derby w/ o our best 11 than we were vs WBA with our first 11. See how that is? Footie is not an exact science. Before the the derby, Cou had a knock (had not trained since the Spartak game) Moreno was injured and Bobbie is suffering form fatigue so with that in mind, there was NO WAY on earth Klopp would play his best team. The team he put out where one dodgy pen/ a second goal away from winning the derby so I don't see this innuendo you keep referring to as all I have posted are facts.

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15 Dec 2017 10:21:48
I have a question BRover:

If Firmino is "suffering from fatigue" why did he play 72 minutes against Spartak Moscow when we were 5-0 up after 50 minutes in a game we needed to draw?
In addition, if he's too fatigued to start against Everton, why bring him on when Everton score when he's likely to over commit, and why start him against West Brom at home - a team that hasn't won for 16 matches in a row.

There's no logic to these decisions.

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15 Dec 2017 22:53:16
Ron, those are the questions that you address to the manager as he is with the players and the preparation team and he has all the info on their fitness levels and how long they can play for if they are having fitness issues. You don't have that info and neither do I so asking such questions is pointless as I am not the manager. I do understand that you cannot draw conclusions based on information you do NOT have. All you can do is speculate which in the end, is not fact. Now that, is logical.

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14 Dec 2017 03:09:15
Sounds like I made the right decision to go see the new Star Wars film instead of watching us fail to break down WBA. That's Pardew and Fat Scam who's had points off us at home this season. Worrying trend. But there's a long way to go.

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14 Dec 2017 04:15:14
We won’t break Burnley either!

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14 Dec 2017 11:06:17
Harry 🙄.

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13 Dec 2017 23:14:04
I personally don't get all this rotation especially when it comes to keepers. Karius would be my no 1 for q full season.
It was just one of those games. Poor.

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{Ed0333's Note - invariably you’re gonna getgames when everyone’s off. Unfortunately this was one of those times.

13 Dec 2017 23:02:16
Okay, seeing a lot of stick being directed towards Klopp on this site and on social media as well. Don't fully understand it myself but I thought I would add my own thoughts, as little as they are.

In my opinion, Klopp cannot, and should not, be blamed for the result. He put out a strong team, one that we were all begging for, but the players simply didn't take the chances that they should have taken. The tactics, Klopp's tactics, created chances, kept us defensively solid for the most part, and put us on the front foot for the majority of the match. We were the only team that looked like scoring, besides the odd scare that comes with our shaky defence.

The only thing Klopp can be blamed for us is the late subsitutions, which is a problem that has been apparent since he joined Liverpool. There were many players out there that looked tired and needed to come off (Salah) and others that were playing poorly and should have been removed earlier (Mane) .

That is the only area were I have grievances with Klopp and it is a problem easily rectified. On the whole, Klopp is not at fault for this result. We just didn't take our chances, simple as. A consistent problem, no doubt, but that doesn't make it no less true in this scenario.

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13 Dec 2017 23:16:22
Atleast oxy has been a revelation for us. What a waste of 40 million.

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13 Dec 2017 23:19:16
Players bollocked Klopp for taking salah off when winning 1-0. So now you want him to do it at 0-0?
The hypocrisy is astounding.
Klopp had his best starting 11, maybe Gomez in for lovren. But hands down his best 11 we know off. Didn't score. Had the Fab Four. Didn't score. Looked lethargic and carrying pebbles in pockets, but that's what 99% of you all wanted.
To me two things have been proven, 1. It's nice to have a keeper that can come and catch a ball and 2. Rotation is key. Rafa was the worst for it, his stint wasn't too bad eh.

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13 Dec 2017 23:26:05
Posters not players. It's late 🤦🏼‍♂️.

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13 Dec 2017 23:57:45
I don't think Rafa dropped half the team after a 7-0 win. That's madness.

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14 Dec 2017 00:01:50
I don't understand when people say the manager can't be blamed for the result.
That is the one thing the manager is most responsible for.
Win lose or draw, it's the manager's responsibility and his remit. That is what they are judged on.
If we don't get top 4 or a trophy the owners will not be blaming the players.

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14 Dec 2017 01:20:19
I unfortunately didn’t get to see the game. But I’ll never understand why we ever put Ox in midfield. The only times he’s impressed has been on the wing in a forward position.
Granted idk where he played today but I’ve seen him take some stick.

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14 Dec 2017 04:20:43
If it is not for managers fault, Brendan would be still at the club. Pulis at West Brom, Bilic at West Ham, De-Boer at Palace. Liverpool fans has other ideas!

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14 Dec 2017 07:23:07
On a positive note. In the past we would have lost last nights game and same to Newcastle, Everton and Burnley. We've turned defeats into draws. On that not its step forward. Small steps but still forward.

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14 Dec 2017 07:37:15
Salah missed a header against everton managers fault? mane slipped at a crucial moment against everton, managers fault? Again yesterday against wba we created chances where the ball should be in the net but hey klopp should be on the pitch converting those chances its all his fault.

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14 Dec 2017 08:23:50
It was a good side Klopp put on the pitch and again we created chances. Against Everton and West Brom playing these sorts of tactics, putting one away early is critical because the way they play you won’t get too many clearcut shots on goal, and by the 60th they have gained confidence and become even harder to break down.

You need that first to draw them out. sometimes you get it, sometimes you don’t. Move on. nothing wrong with Klopps tactics apart from maybe subbing a little earlier hopefully.

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14 Dec 2017 08:36:21
klopp is there to make decisions. the rest of the world is there to criticize them.

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14 Dec 2017 12:23:41
Spot on, Grob and KloppDaKop. Blame Klopp for the players missing open chances. Blame Klopp for putting out the team many wanted when it does not work out. Same old, same old stuff. Salah and Mane looked tired BUT had Klopp subbed them off and we drew or lost, people will still be mad.

They forget that these games happen where your strikers are not on form and in some quarters, the refs don't help and only compound the frustrations. We just have to keep working hard and improving cos in the end, that is all you can control as a manager. When the players are on the pitch missing chances, you are powerless.

As for Brendan, he was a failure for the last 18 months of his reign and created a whole mess that Klopp is trying to fix till this day. He deserved the boot and Klopp has improved us steadily since then. Those are the facts.

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14 Dec 2017 12:24:53
Klopp his a top manager who plays attacking football. Play to win, best form of defense is to attack. I will let the haters hate.
I love our style and remember 5mths of woy. We have lost 2 games so far this season City and spurs away.
I said top 4 and a good run into
champions league would be gòod season for me. We are still in the mix so I will keep the faith. Football should be about entertaining the fans. Our manager tries to do that.
Come on you reds.

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13 Dec 2017 22:50:13
disappointing result, decent effort from the lads and came close a couple times.

Still don't think coutinho playing in the central midfield is any help to us. he is fantastic and can pick a pass, but too many time he plays a pass to the full backs around midfield and then he is out of the game. we need him higher up the pitch affecting the play in the attacking third. still think his best position right now is on the left wing (4-3-3) or left sided attacking midfielder (4-4-2) where he can play up near his mates.

2 away games up next. think that is for the best to be fair.

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13 Dec 2017 22:40:09
If it changes direction off an arm and goes in its a foul mate.
Was Trent injured? I kind of hope so as why bring him off as the final sub?!
Coutinho couldn't beat a man or pick a pass today, too much intricate stuff and too many 'killer' pass attempts.
Thought Trent and Robertson did as well as they could considering the lack of movement up top.
Karius had a few flappy moments, a strange free kick, but he dealt with them all and made so decent saves.
Gini was quiet again, and can was laboured I thought.
Salah was off today, seemed to have a good few touches then wasted it - course everyone can have an off day!
I was pretty much sat worrying the whole game Salah would get injured!
Very annoying game, lack of creation again, but at least we kept a clean sheet. Need to win these at home though.

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{Ed0333's Note - that was utter dross. Tiredness, lack of creativity, not making earlier substitutions however you wanna dress it up it was abysmal. They weren’t playing as a collective but a bunch of individuals. You thought Robertson did well? I must have been seeing a different match. His play lacks intelligence and cohesiveness and I think he’s a weak link. Can you imagine what a Ronaldo, or a De Bruyne would do to him?

13 Dec 2017 23:00:45
I thought Robertson was really poor tonight. Him and Wijnaldum offered nothing and whilst they weren't the only players to have bad games they were the worst offenders.

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13 Dec 2017 23:01:33
We knew what we were getting with Robertson. To be fair he wasn't klopps prime target.

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13 Dec 2017 22:58:28
I wouldn't write off Robertson just yet. The lad has ability but has been sat in the stands for a long time. He needs a rhythmn of games to understand his role, a chance to make mistakes and learn from them. All manner of training can happen throughout the weeks but matches are where most players really begin to understand the role and the demands placed on them.

I personally agree with you, ED. I didn't think Robertson had a good game, at all. However, with time and patience, I think he could push himself into the first 11. It will be difficult, as Moreno has really refound a good vein of form, but he has a period of time where he can play regularly and learn. New team, new way of playing, new expectations. This will take time but I think he, and we, will be better for it.

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{Ed0333's Note - Not writing him off mate just saying he has a bad game. I concur with regards to Robertson being coached into a better player Christ Kloppo done it with Moreno and I thought he was a lost cause. I will however maintain Robertson isn’t up to the required standard momentarily. If we were to play PSG, Madrid, Barcelona or Juve in the Champions League would you be confident with Robertson at left wing back?

14 Dec 2017 00:21:48
Still young and only had a handful of games, not sure he should be written off already.

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14 Dec 2017 08:38:01
robbo is alright, but that's about it right? like he ain't any worse than moreno, but I don't think he is significantly better than him. anyways, good for him to get a run of games, hopefully he can push on.

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14 Dec 2017 12:27:33
Robbo is light years behind Moreno and yesterday showed that. Had Moreno been on the attacking side last night, he would have ripped Nyom a new on and got behind him many more times. As a group perf., Ed03333 is right. Too disjointed, lacked guile and pace and too many poor perfs. on the offensive side. We looked jaded. The interesting thing was that Utd and Arsenal looked jaded as well and had it not been for DDG, B'mouth should have gotten a point. We just have to do better next time, that's all as nothing is lost yet and had we won both games, nothing would have been won either.

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14 Dec 2017 08:45:38
Ed0333, and you would be confident of Moreno up against Ronaldo, De Bruyne, PSG etc, coz I wouldn’t be mate. We still don’t have a LB who can defend first and foremost and that will show when we meet the big boys.
Wonder how much Robertson would improve after a couple of years with the club like Moreno’s had. You’re being very harsh on a guy who hasn’t even made the bench for most of this season.

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{Ed0333's Note - personally I wouldn’t afford Robertson 2 years but my point is I don’t feel he has the ability to be shaped or transformed into a player. I will gladly eat humble pie if Klopp turns him into Javier Zanetti.

14 Dec 2017 09:45:51
What's your point Ed0333? Nobody will feel confident with Robertson v any of those teams, but let's go through the entire backline and midfield,
You comfortable with Lovren/ Klavan or Marko against Aubamayang, or Ronaldo? How about Trent v Messi or Neymar?

You can't use Robertson won't do well against the top teams as an argument. Go from Mignolet to Wini and all those top teams murder us man for man. We've got a fab front 4 enough to compete with the best attacking line ups, from there back, lucky to be top 20.

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{Ed0333's Note - my point is young man that we should be signing quality left wing backs that are capable of playing football and ready for the first team.

14 Dec 2017 12:54:40
Ed0333, are you confident with any of our defence/ midfield against those teams?

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{Ed0333's Note - yes if we play like we did at Anfield against Arsenal in August.

13 Dec 2017 22:32:30
We'll all moan about that performance but I want to say a huge shout out to Karius, if it wasn't for him we'd of lost tonight, well played kid.

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13 Dec 2017 22:24:24
That didn't go to plan. A lot of huffing and puffing but no end product. Mane has really gone of the boil lately which is worrying. The only positive is the defence didn't do anything stupid for a change.

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13 Dec 2017 22:29:02
Been thinking the same about mane, seems to be trying hard just not coming off.

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13 Dec 2017 22:20:10
7th draw in PL now.
Tonights was due to an inability to break down a stubborn defence rather than a stupid mistake.
Hopefully we can get 2 away wins to compensate for dropping points at home.

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13 Dec 2017 22:45:56
Sadly Klopp has failed to overcome teams managed by Fat Scam and Alan Pardew. A worrying trend!

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13 Dec 2017 23:35:37
These draws have cost us top 4 this season and possibly klopp his job. I personally think 6th position this season.

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14 Dec 2017 09:47:24
You should just type 'insert negativity here' instead of actually posting.

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13 Dec 2017 22:09:56
Hate to say it but west brom deserved a point tonight Liverpool huffed and puffed but didn't blow the house down good saves from our keeper kept us in it.

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13 Dec 2017 22:23:47
Fully deserved.

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