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13 Dec 2017 22:08:55
That was the worst Gini Wijnaldum has ever played for Liverpool. I can remember a single contribution he made in this match. And again felt we missed Moreno on the left . Robertson is just not on the same wavelength as our forward players.

Thought the goal should have stood. But the deflection from the unintentionally handball did send the keeper the wrong way. So even though it's a hard pill to swallow, can understand the decision.

Some of the match officiating decision did make my head scratch. That match had a total of 6 substitutions and West Brom wasted time whenever they could. The reference did warn their players, so officials decision to add just 3 additional minutes is a head scratcher and in additional time the referee did have to book a player who was not even on the ground for time wasting. Still the referee decided to end the match exactly at 3 minutes when Liverpool had possession at the edge of opposition box.

Maybe I am just frustrated watching the match and frankly we were miles off from our normal level today. Sorry for the long post.


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{Ed025's Note - its obvious that you will look for reasons why you never won maverick, forget about the ref were just not good enough..

13 Dec 2017 22:22:13
I agree that we didn't play well tonight. Also the fact that it's 3:50am here and me having to go to office in about 5 hours also doesn't help. : (.

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13 Dec 2017 22:27:35
When teams shut up shop, because of how tight it is, referees really do have too much influence over the final result. I would love football to get better officiating or define the rules a lot better. the refs can bend the rules whenever they want. There shouldn't be a thing as lenient and strict refs and the fact that refs can do as they please just ruins football. In the end football will move on without them and they'll only have themselves to blame for being so inconsistent as each football match seems to have their own set of rules. rant over. I wouldn't wanna be klopp right now.

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13 Dec 2017 22:22:57
Agree Ed25 bit these refs need to get s grip of the time wasting. I was at the match tonight and Foster wasn’t even warned, with only 3 mins extra time at the end.

Takes only a second to score and as pooor as we were tonight, 3 mins extra time was an absolute joke. We’ve seen lots of last min goals scored this season.

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{Ed025's Note - i know what your saying drogie and the standard of refereeing has been very poor this season, but liverpool did not fail to win because the ref made some bad decisions mate, they were poor last night all over the pitch and the tempo was very slow, the lesser teams seem to have worked them out it seems by sitting and letting the reds blow themselves out..

14 Dec 2017 15:02:57
I’m in total agreement re our lack of cutting edge, pace and tempo agoamst teams that sit deep, believe me Ed25 I sit there and got so frustrated.

My point is, games are won deep into injury time, even when not playing well, United did it for years mate. This constant time wasting by Foster warrented 3 mins alone!

You wouldn’t have seen ( on tv ), there was a situation, where the ball went behind for a goal kick ( kop end where I sit, ) and it went between the advertising and the pitch ( into the gap ), Foster decided to just kept kicking the ball along the gap for as long as he could get away with. Where was the linesman then?

I’m not one for blaming results on officials but last night was really bad.

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13 Dec 2017 22:03:44
Inconsistency at it's finest once again. Every season we show glimpses of being a top top team in this league by putting strings of 3-4 winning games together and raise the hopes of us fans to think we could achieve something to then shortly put dull performances in and look like a complete different side all together I really don't understand lol. But owell it's all fun and games and on to the next.

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13 Dec 2017 22:01:56
What are peoples opinions on Wijnaldum. Henderson gets a lot of stick for apparently going sideways (though he drove us forward against Everton quite alot) but Wijnaldum doesn't even do that, just constantly backwards. All he does is lay the ball back to whoever passes it to him. I don't see him as a defensive midfielder so not really sure of what he brings at the moment. Would have brought him of a lot sooner than he did.

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13 Dec 2017 22:05:47
I think we will see a shake up of the midfield in the summer.

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13 Dec 2017 22:08:19
A wrong signing whose place is upgraded by the signing of Kieta! He was never a CM in the first place. Klopp like with Hendo shorn him to the current role! You ll keep asking this question on many players going forward! AOC would be next!

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13 Dec 2017 22:11:00
I agree, I don't rate him one bit, he will always have my support whilst been a Liverpool player but he's just not doing it for us one bit.

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13 Dec 2017 22:48:12
For me, there are two sides of Wijnaldum. One, is the man that strings together passes in our midfield and helps it to operate. And two, is the man that is completely annonymous during matches, afraid to make a mistake or do anything that might make him look bad.

Unfortuantely, the latter is the player we seem to get consistently. He has good to great games, don't get me wrong, but they are few and far between. Most games, Gini might as well not be playing. He seems scared, would rather be distant from the action than get stuck in and make himself known. More technical than aggressive.

I think Keita is the upgrade we need, he has a lot more in his locker, is brave, aggressive, and can contribute to offensive moves with his dribbling and pace. Gini is a decent back up option, nothing more. To step in when someone needs a rest or when an injury has occured.

He should not be starting, in my opinion. Unfortunately, we have little option as we have a frequent run of games coming up and he is needed. The man will never decide a game for us, he will always be in the background, either helping our passing game flow or he will be non-existant.

I am sure many will disagree but these are just my thoughts.

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14 Dec 2017 10:46:12
LFC-S MANGO you have summed up my feelings perfectly! I have been keeping a beady eye on Wijnaldum this season and some games go by where I'm sure he doesn't make one forward pass over the 90 minutes. Even when seemingly obvious options are available in front of him, he puts his right foot on top of the ball, swivels around, and plays it backwards to the CBs. Although Henderson gets a lot of criticism a least he attempts to play the ball forward from the same position!

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13 Dec 2017 21:55:07
Oh my gosh. I blame Klopp. What was he thinking putting out a full strength side. Should have played the players he did against Everton, at least they scored.

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13 Dec 2017 22:05:57
But it's all about momentum, and if you keep ringing the changes you lose the momentum.

Our squad depth is not strong enough. 3 points from our last 3 home games is a bad return.

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13 Dec 2017 21:54:14
Well there you go klopp plays his stronger team against lesser opposition than Everton an we still only get a draw please explain someone?

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13 Dec 2017 22:01:48
Must be that Moreno, Henderson and Mignolet were all missing? Also, it is now very obvious we don't need defenders, but more forwards.

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13 Dec 2017 22:48:11
Too many changes to the team on a regular basis.
Rotation is fine but you don't drop 6 players from a team that's just won 7-0. Players won't know whether they're coming or going.

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14 Dec 2017 07:22:34
If he had played best team, Everton would be wrapped up half time and he can rest players. The 1st team players are exhausted chasing the Everton game hence not Sharp this WBA game. Klopp's previous mistake has carry on effect.

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13 Dec 2017 21:53:00
We are not top 4 quality, we should be happy with a top 7 finish. One hit wonders.

Klopp take a bow, you are playing rotational suicide.

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13 Dec 2017 22:06:34
Here we go the blame Klopp lot are back after going in hiding! He has put out 2 teams v Everton and Wba who have dominated the games and missed or squandered plenty enough chances to win game. He can't do anything else rather than run on to pitch and score himself! Hate this age of blame manager here ever think it may be the players who have wasted or missed to many chances?

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13 Dec 2017 22:52:27
Klopp cannot be blamed for the result. He put a strong team out, which we were all begging for, but the players simply didn't take the chances that they should have taken. The tactics, Klopp's tactics, created chances, kept us defensively solid for the most part, and put us on the front foot for the majority of the match.

The only thing Klopp can be blamed for us is the late subsitutions, which is a problem that has been apparent since he joined Liverpool. There were many players out there that looked tired and needed to come off (Salah) and others that were playing poorly and should have been removed earlier (Mane) .

That is the only area were I have grievances with Klopp and it is a problem easily rectified. On the whole, Klopp is not at fault for this result. We just didn't take our chances, simple as. A consistent problem, no doubt, but no less true in this scenario.

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13 Dec 2017 23:27:11
Win lose or draw stick behind the team! Tired of reading posts slating individuals or Klopp . I love this club and have done since I was a kid and it makes me sick that whenever we don't rip teams apart there’s an army of over dramatic cry babys venting there frustration on here . does it make you all feel better? (you do know it achieves nothing? ) My dad used to say “if you don’t have anything nice to say then don’t speak at all” . some people need to heed that advice and stop filling the pages with whining!

By all means let us know of your disappointment in a polite and suitable manner but some posts I’ve seen on here over the years almost make me feel shame!

Yes we just didn’t seem to click tonight but you have to give credit to West Brom they were very well drilled and knew how to frustrate us, heck they could have come away with 3 points if it wasn’t for Karius, it can’t be easy for our attackers when the final third is comparable to Black Friday shopping!

We have a great team and a great manager, remember the teams we are chasing bar Tottenham have next to unlimited funding and can cherry pick the best players with the enticement of big dollars . Get behind the team and don’t set your bars too high! I believe that Klopp will deliver but some fans think we should/ must be lifting trophy’s now . this is the first time we’ve had squad depth in years!
Rant over : ) YNWA.

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13 Dec 2017 21:25:56
Watching David silva. When there was a time he and villa could have been Liverpool players.

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13 Dec 2017 21:53:40
On city. When we were hammered by them with 10 men I said they were my favourites for the title. 18 points ahead of us and December still not finished. World's apart yet only a few tweaks and players would change that . Hopefully we get a quality central defender in January and have a real go at the champions league.

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13 Dec 2017 22:00:32
Big Am, although i agree we need at least one CB im not sure what they would have done today to fix that poor result.

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13 Dec 2017 22:02:20
Big Al, the coach is the key for city. We were short changed with the Klopp deal.

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13 Dec 2017 22:34:23
City’s midfield is streets ahead of ours whilst ours are decent players in their own right we don’t have any that consistently provide killer balls or even look like scoring.

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13 Dec 2017 19:52:14
Eds if u please, what's.......

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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page - why ask about random players here?}

13 Dec 2017 20:17:47
Purely asking your opinion eds, not if we have interest. am interested in your opinions on players.

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{Ed002's Note - Well ask on the appropriate page and not on the Liverpool page please.}

13 Dec 2017 20:51:52
No problem.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

13 Dec 2017 19:38:18
Hello Redmen,

Sorry the loan update is a little late this week. In my area of work at this time of year I barely have time to sit down! (No I am not one of the elves)

Frustrating draw at the weekend, but despite the results there are plenty of positives.
We absolutely battered a full strength Everton and should of comfortably won despite rotating key players for this busy period.

We are unbeaten in 10, only 2 defeats in the league all season, the only team with a better record is City who are absolutely flying!
Yes we need to improve defensively, but think of where we were when Klopp joined compared to where we are now.

A note to all fans, we now have that expectation that we should win every game, which in football never happens. This is part of the reason why we love the game.
Klopp has installed this belief in us fans, so let's not turn on him the second things don't go to plan. A season is a marathon not a sprint so let's see how things end up.
This is the first time we have reached the knockout stages of the champs league in a decade.

Also sustaining a top four place is more difficult this year as we are now juggling champs league football at the same time. So far Klopp is doing well with the challenge. Finish top 4 and build a little more etc etc etc

Anyway, enough of my ramblings, heres the loan update

Ryank Kent was an unused sub as Freiburg beat B M'Gladbach 1-0

Jordan Williams returned from injury and played 45 minutes as Rochdale lost 4-3 to Bradford in an end to end thriller.

Toni Gomez played the full 90 + extra time as Forest Green lost 2-1 to 10 man Exeter in the FA Cup.

Allan came off the bench in the 25th minute as Apollon won 1-0 lifting them to 3rd in the league.

Wolfsburg V RBL, Origi V Keita.
Honours were shared in this match which finished 1-1.
Keita played the full 90 for RBL whilst Origi came off the bench in the 66th minute.

Chiverrella again played the full 90 as Willem II drew 1-1 with relegation rivals NAC.
Willem IIsit 2 points above the drop zone.

Connor Randall finally returned to the Hearts starting line up after his Red card a couple months ago has saw him sit on the bench ever since.
Randall played the full game at RB and Hearts beat Dundee 2-0.

Ojo played the full 90 and scored the only goal of the game ad Fulham beat Birmingham 1-0 . Fulham have so far had a disappointing campaign but since the return of Ojo their form has improved.

And that's your lot RedMen.
We have 5 games between now and the turn of the year and I am predicting 11 points from those starting with 3 points tonight.

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14 Dec 2017 05:17:25
Seems like Ojo is doing well at Fulham - getting games under his belt and putting in decent performances, good signs. Curious as to how you think Chiverrella is doing as well Carra - could you see him playing a part in Liverpool's first team next season?

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13 Dec 2017 19:37:53
Reply to brover from three days ago, didn't realise my post was shown hence I did not reply to you. I'm right behind klopp and have been from day one and continue to be so, but he got it badly badly wrong on Sunday and it was a stonewall penalty. Two questions for you, question 1.) Is klopp above any kind of criticism no matter what decisions he has made or will make in the future? 2.) If that penalty happened kop end to Salah and we didn't get it, what would you have said on this very site?

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13 Dec 2017 20:30:46
Can't agree with any of your post waro. If that were the case there would be at least 5 pens every match if you watch corners. And Klopp isn't above criticism but fact is we completely dominated Everton but didn't take our chances.

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13 Dec 2017 20:55:21
163 fouls a game if that's a stonewall pen.

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13 Dec 2017 22:22:41
A full strength Everton? Who are you trying to convince Carragold?

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14 Dec 2017 07:23:37
I agree with Waro.

It was a foul in the box plain and simple.
Saying there are hundreds of challenges like that unpunished per game is not an argument. How many shirt pulls get penalised in a game? Still doesn't stop a shirt pull in the box being a foul.

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