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16 Jun 2018 06:56:59
Can someone please explain to me how De Gea's howler suddenly turned into open season and slating on Karius again? Some of the stuff I have read over the last few pages is nothing short of embarrassing. I fully understand Ed002's low opinion on the type of fans many Liverpool supporters seem to be.

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16 Jun 2018 08:25:45
Agreed Brisbane it's getting daft, again. All I'm going to say is, Karius IN! . If he's going to be our number 1 next season which I fully expect, he needs our support. He gets mine, good luck to the lad.

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16 Jun 2018 08:38:35
Agreed salah! As I keep saying, if he works hard on his concentration and distribution we could have a top keeper in karius.

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16 Jun 2018 08:53:24
As one who had fun with DDG making two mistakes (he was partly to blame for that free kick as his wall placement and positioning that cost Spain the points, what I for me, was saying was that the "experts" on these boards have a knack of making such sweeping, illogical statements like "DDG would never have made the mistakes Karius made vs RM' or "A top class GK does not make those Karius mistakes in a big game". That was royally debunked last night and the "experts" can't deal with this "stunning" realization so what did they do? They deflect. "So are you saying Karius is better than DDG" or "If you think Karius is good enough then you are dreaming", blah, blah, blah as if hat is the point of the debate which it is not and never was. Hence, the Karius bashing. The fact of the matter that they can't come to terms with is that Show me a GK who has never made a mistake and I will show you one who has never played a game in his life. DDG is prone to mistakes just like Karius is, FACT.

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16 Jun 2018 09:04:15
Bang right salah at end of day we are supporters and that's what we need to do support our players instead of critizing and putting them down.
One thing is for sure if he is still our number1 next season and the games I go to I will certainly be singing his name and will give him and klopp 100% backing.

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16 Jun 2018 10:31:32
The thing is De Gea has earnt the right to make a mistake after years of being the best keeper in the prem. Karius has looked ropey throughout his Liverpool career and made 2 huge mistakes not 1.
I didn’t want Karius is goal next season prior to the final, like a lot of fans, the final just verified my thoughts. Pro Karius fans seem to be putting them both at the same level after yesterday which is ludicrous, Have you ever watched a game and thought without Karius we wouldn’t have got a result? I can’t off the top of my head, Utd fans regularally feel this with DDG.
I’m not trying to slag Karius off I’m just reacting to fans who now think Karius is now an adequate keeper because DDG made a mistake.

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16 Jun 2018 11:02:26
Completely agree Cobra666 exactly what I was trying to say last night on here. I will support Karius if Klopp decides to keep him as I am not a fickle fan and would love a success story but would rather Klopp pushed for a solid keeper. This reacting to DDG mistake or mistakes he made last night is slightly embarrassing as DDG has for many years been the best keeper in the league, arguably best keeper in the world and is human and entitled to the odd mistake here and there, that is why I never judge Karius on just the Champions League final but on how he has been since he joined.

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16 Jun 2018 11:14:50
I think some people on this forum like to hold onto any glimmer of hope they have that Karius is "the one" so they try to make something out of another keepers error who has been by far the best PL keeper in years. Cobra666 first comments are correct for me.

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16 Jun 2018 12:31:10
Irish Rover and Gobra666, I am not saying any of that and again, both of you fail to address the salient point being made here so again, you are deflecting. Someone said DDG has earned the right to make the mistakes he made. And how long did it take him to be great? Was it over 50 games like Karius or over 200 plus during which FErgie was so lost that the senior players had to be consulted on what to do with DDG (Source: Rio Ferdinand)? Either way, that is not the point here.

News flash: He STILL made mistakes that cost Spain, end of story. This convo was for those who kept spouting that nonsense that (A GK can never make mistakes". Moral of the story? EVERY GK makes mistakes. DDG's mistakes debunked That is what is being addressed here, and not the non-argument of "So Karius is now better than DDG" or "Some are still hoping for him to be the one. Those are conversations no one is having but you. I for one, am not saying that neither am I bothered as that is for Klopp to decide.

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16 Jun 2018 14:18:51
BRover, what you're not recognising is that some mistakes are more serious and can have career-changing consequences.
Mention Peter Bonetti to any England fan and there will probably be a little sigh before mentioning the World Cup 1970.
It was also his last ever England cap.
He was a very good keeper, and played on for his club sides for years afterwards but never got another international appearance.

If Karius drops a few bloopers, particularly if they cost Liverpool points, he's going to be hard-pressed to recover.
How can you have Salah at one end, and a problem at the other?

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17 Jun 2018 15:30:36
Don't care who played what and when. Karius isn't good enough and there will be a media circus surrounding him next season with everyone waiting for his next mistake, it's unfair on the lad, and he'll totally damage his carrer if he stays with us, how can someone develop under that much scrutiny and pressure. Thank him for trying but for us and himself he needs to rebuild his carrer elsewhere. Oh and hendos brother, were not supporters were customers.

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17 Jun 2018 15:35:27
I don’t think anyone is slating Karius, it’s called an open discussion, the summer is the time to discuss these things. If Karius is our number 1 when the season starts I will support him but until that time I will continue to advocate for a new goalkeeper.

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16 Jun 2018 02:04:19
The Spain game has helped clarify our collective feelings about our keeper.

De gea made a howler against Portugal and reminded us that all keepers are imperfect. The difference is man utd fans won't be calling for him to be ditched, on fact they may be pleased, hoping it puts off Madrid from signing him. People aren't fed up with Karius coz of one game, that was just the straw that broke the camels back. The lad had found some form and made a few decent saves but for every top save is a poor decision.

If it were just one game people would forgive Karius but he continues to make bad choices. I think he will have an okay career, but I don't see it glittering with gold. But I do see liverpool with some silverware in coming seasons.

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16 Jun 2018 05:39:18
Every goalkeeper can make a mistake, everyone knows that, what separates the great goalkeepers from the average ones is the frequency of those mistakes. De Gea has played over 300 games for United and you could probably count his mistakes on two hands, Karius has played almost 50 games for Liverpool and has probably made a similar number of mistakes.

I was all in favour of Karius getting a chance and at first he quite impressed me but around the Roma home game I thought he started to look shaky, culminating in the disaster against Madrid. For me he has had his chance and he didn’t take it, a new goalkeeper is a must, at least to challenge for the No. 1 jersey. I don’t care if he costs £10 million or £40 million but I don’t think we can rely on Karius next season.

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16 Jun 2018 05:47:21
The difference is, De Gea can literally keep Man Utd in games at times. He has been the difference for then between wins and draws or losses. I agree with Kramer. Karius got his chance and has unfortunately failed to take it. If he remains our No.1 into the new season then so be it. I will be fully behind him and hope he has an excellent season.

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16 Jun 2018 06:29:50
IF Karius is to continue at Liverpool and I for one would not condemn the man, then the old adage what doesn't kill you makes you stronger will need to apply, as regardless of what liverpool fans think, they will hopefully support him, but the away fans are going to go to town on him

If he can get through that then fair play. To the fella. However, is that too much of a risk for the club? Every mistake will be magnified by people on here, the media etc etc. Whereas a clean opportunity may give him the breathing space he needs

He's a good sort I think and deserves a chance to redeem, but if that is the to be case and the club also think that way, then at the very least the supporters need to acknowledge and factor that in.

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16 Jun 2018 06:35:30
How old are you Kramer? Ddg made a lot of mistakes in the beginning of his career. He had the same problem with the untied fans they wanted him gone he was letting a lot of long range efforts past him. Am sure fergie even dropped him at the time altho a cannit quite remember who there number 2 was at the time, he didn't turn out much better and ddg regained his place and he is where he is now.

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16 Jun 2018 06:56:39
Hendos brother1,think he was dropped for anders lindergaard (bad spelling)

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16 Jun 2018 06:59:29
It's not a like-for-like comparison with De Gea though, his main issue was a lack of physique. He was getting knocked about all over the place when he first came to the Premier League, which in turn was affecting his confidence.
Man Utd and the lad himself got it sorted and he was a different man after that.

If Karius stays in the First XI at Liverpool, he's probably got until about Xmas to show that he can hack it.
If there are major problems before then, the replacement could well step in.

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16 Jun 2018 07:55:29
Prince hendo, you’ve said you’d be happy with Navas in goal and he’s worse than Karius by a country mile.

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16 Jun 2018 08:00:55
Just out of curiosity how is this related to Karius. De Gea let's the ball spill and straight away let's everybody slate OUR goalkeeper. What's going on I thought our motto is YNWA it should be you'll never be in our team again. The lad made a few mistakes he human after all let's get off his case and back him for the season if he's our No.1 keeper. Hoping he have a great day for the charity match ed 2 wishing ye all the best of luck.

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{Ed025's Note - he is only human after all.."dont put the blame on me".. :)

16 Jun 2018 08:35:52
The juicer you are wrong lad! it was something to do with his eyesight from long range efforts he had to have minor surgery.

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16 Jun 2018 08:41:00
Deisered why are you talking about fella? ' A don't think everybody is blaming karius for ddg mistakes what alof of people are saying is that reguardless of high profile even the beat make mistakes. In fact most people are sticking up for karius thru this.

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16 Jun 2018 08:58:12
De Gea main problem was that he spent a season and a half constantly getting beaten from outside the box with fairly tame shots. United worked with him quite a bit and he did lots of extra training to sort it out but he was not the keeper he is now until 1.5 seasons into his United career.

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16 Jun 2018 08:59:17
Hendo you obviously haven't read all the comments from last night where Karius has been run through the mill again. That's what I'm on about and I haven't a clue what your on about blaming Karius for De Gea spilling the ball he's not even at the world cup.

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16 Jun 2018 09:04:33
Spot on Hendo's Bro. Kramer, stop rewriting history cos mind you, we don't all have short memories. If you wanna compare both DDG and Karius which is illogical in itself, then compare them over their first 50 games as that is only fair. Based on "true history", DDG was actually worse than Karius. Don't believe me? Go watch a youtube mash-up of his errors when he first arrived. His errors make Karius look like Gordon Banks.

Also, DDG was so bad that Fergie was at a loss for what to do at one point. I did not say that, the greatest LFC fan Rio Ferdinand said so. He said on one of the CL nights this season that Fergie was so lost that he came to he and the senior players to ask them literally, who he should pick as goalie btw DDG and the might Tomasz Krusczak. Yeah, that happened.

The real issue here IMO, is that many of us are saying that any GK can make a mistake in a high profile game and DDG is not immunned to that. Suddenly, Karius' detractors come out with none-arguments like "So you think Karius is better? " or some other nonsense that has NOTHING to do with the debate. DDG is better than Karius. In other news, water is wet. All GK's make mistakes regardless of their talent and standing. In other news, water is STIlL wet.

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16 Jun 2018 11:34:47
Deisered if you go back and read them agen bonny lad you will see that I was one of the ones that started this debate lad! So you would think that I would of read the posts. what are you on about blaming Karius for ddg mistakes? It was me that said even the best of keepers make mistakes kidda, I back karius 100% sonna.
If your going to makes things up and say a mustn't of seen the comments when in fact I was one of the ops then please read them yourself and who wrote what, cheers fella.
Brover mate yeah a new somebody would no the name of fergies number 2 cheers for that mate, it's true what u say at the time he was a big money signing and fergie didn't know what to do at the time.
And what your saying is bang on we are saying any keeper can make mistakes even the world class experienced ones, and certainly the young boy karius deserves atleast next season to prove himself as our number1.

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16 Jun 2018 13:23:30
I don't think Karius will get 50 games to compare, which will be a relief in all honesty. The fact Klopp is looking for a new keeper tells me that he has a fair idea Karius is not going to be anywhere near as good as De Gea, 50 or 100 games in. So whether its Navas, Butland, Allison or some other keeper, Klopp wants to replace Karius and rightly so and he is the only "Expert" i will happily listen to.

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16 Jun 2018 01:18:55
Who is everyone's favourite world cup pundit?
I like Ian weight but prefer BBC. I have no idea how rio ferdinand is still working as a pundit. He's a good guy, had a rough time but is an awful pundit. Was knocking Ronaldo body language at the end of the match tonight. I remember 2014, talking about klose, saying he "doesn't do anything that excites you (except that dull premise of scoring a goal rio) but he excites me". d'you know the noun that suits him perfectly. A plonker! He is, he such a plank.

I quite like bilic, he's honest and his accent is cool, talks rubbish but at least he does it with some grace.

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16 Jun 2018 07:11:29
Bit rough on Wrighty mate. Most pros put a few pounds on when they finish playing.

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16 Jun 2018 09:05:05
I actually like Rio as a pundit.

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16 Jun 2018 12:04:21
I don’t think any of them are any good. They don’t tell us anything that we can’t see for our own eyes and they all lack personality. It might as well be a robot churning out cliches.
The standard of pundits has mirrored the standard of referees. Getting worse and worse by the year.

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16 Jun 2018 21:00:48
Forgot about Roy Keane 😄

He’s my favourite because he speaks his mind and calls out lazy or poor players.

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16 Jun 2018 00:53:31
Had to re-register as forgot my password, hence GKID5 now!
Anyway, been meaning to post this for a while;
At the start of 2016 we lost bowie and Cruyff. Never really listened to bowie music until then but then realised just how good he was.
it was the same with Cruyff - always knew about him but at that time we didn't see him on TV much. So I read his autobiography just after he passed, and have to say it is the best football book I've ever read. This man could play, coach, manage and run a football club and was years ahead of his time. The last chapter is very special - outlines total football in a few sentences. All recent great Dutch players (80's and 90's) played and learned with him in some way. Strongly recommend this book to anyone.
Anyway, this is my point; do the Eds know if he was ever close to managing an English side? I know he gave up due to health problems after Barca, but he gave up around the time Houllier was appointed, does anyone know if he was approached by LFC.
I genuinely believe had he come to England, our football would have been changed for good, we missed out big time there.

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{Ed001's Note - Johan Cruyff

As I wrote in there, he was approached by Liverpool to be Director of Football when FSG first took over.}

16 Jun 2018 06:19:41
Wow, great read that Ed001.he was without a doubt a true legend. loved the bit about the kick ups with the cigarette packet. reminds me of a story my mate Andrew Johnson told me. think it was when AJ was at Birmingham and Steve Bruce was manager. brucey told him about the time United were playing against the Brazilian ronaldo (pretty sure it was Barcelona but not 100%) in the champions league. all the players were walking down the tunnel and ronaldo had a ball on his shoulder the whole way down just doing keepy ups. brucey said up until then United were full of confidence and that this young kid just shattered their confidence.

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{Ed001's Note - that would probably be the night he scored a hat-trick against them then. I hadn't heard that story before, thanks mate. He was a special player Ronaldo.}

16 Jun 2018 06:58:12
That’s the one Ed001.absolutely terrorised them. and yes probaly my favourite player of all time.

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{Ed001's Note - oh and thank you for the compliment. Sorry I forgot to say thanks initially.}

16 Jun 2018 08:21:34
Your welcome ed001,and thank you for all your input.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate and thanks for yours. If you have any more little anecdotes, maybe some good ones from the times your mate ended up on the end of the losing side against us, feel free to share them. Always love those little anecdotes.}

16 Jun 2018 09:07:44
It was while at RM where he scored a hatrick vs Utd to put them out of the CL in 2003. He got a standing ovation when he got substituted. I have always said it, Big Ron is simply the best player I have EVER seen in my 35 years of watching football as a game. Messi or Ronaldo do not come even close to him, IMO.

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16 Jun 2018 10:17:46
Ed001,did my bill shankly letter get posted in the sightings? i couldn’t find it.

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{Ed001's Note - Ed033 deals with them mate, so I don't know. He checks as we sometimes get people attempting to send viruses and stuff through disguised as pic files.}

16 Jun 2018 10:33:03
Cheers mate, ed033 can you help please?

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{Ed033's Note - no image has come through if you uploaded one. The limit on the upload is now 10mb

16 Jun 2018 10:52:28
Thanks mate it really is a valuable piece so I’ll try again.

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{Ed033's Note - ok, it came through thanks and is now on the liverpool sightings page.

16 Jun 2018 11:28:08
Thanks again anything to do with the great man is worthy of a mention.

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{Ed001's Note - just had a look, great that mate.}

16 Jun 2018 12:27:23
Your welcome mate. my pal is well proud of it.

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{Ed001's Note - I am surprised he even let you take a pic, I would have been afraid to let anyone see it!}

16 Jun 2018 12:37:51
He’s been telling me about it for ages. so I said rather than tell me about it every time u have had a pint, why not bring it to the golf club and show me. so he did. had some great pics of his dad playing for Norwich if I recall.

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{Ed001's Note - personally I would have just sent you a pic of it myself rather than take it out the house!}

16 Jun 2018 20:08:49
That was Romario at Barcelona juggling the ball through the tunnel at Camp Nou Bigsqueeze. Bruce looked at Pallister and they both knew it was going to be a long match. 4-0 Barcelona if I remember right.

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15 Jun 2018 22:46:16
One of the many brilliant aspects of this site is that it gives everyone a platform to share their views and opinions. We all At times share different opinions however we should remember that we should respect everyone's thoughts and opinions be it agreeing or disagreeing with our own. Let us not forget that we all read and post on this site as we share the same love for our wonderful club . Really look forward to seeing who else will be joining to hopefully see us make further progress next season and whoever they may be and whatever position they Are playing, they will have our full support . Thanks to the eds for the wealth of info they provide .

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15 Jun 2018 19:43:16
Look I will support Karius if he stays and everyone loves a success story from zero to hero but it will have to be one hell of a turnaround for him to do it, which led me to write the following.

Money talks, this has been proven a number of times throughout history with teams perceived in less positions in comparison to the talent attracted i. e not in Champions League etc and this brings me to my point of people saying figures for these keepers are too high and they would rather stick than splash out.

Yes an argument can be made for that but the side of the fence I currently sit on is the keeper is an important member of the team, especially in our case with the attacking talent we have. If we spend a sizeable transfer fee for a keeper, which manages to bring us trophies, whether that be the League or Champions League, wouldn't that strengthen our position in persuading our top players to stay and in turn bring in more money and attract better players so that sizeable outlay would be justified in the potential, keyword potential success that they would bring?

We all complain when players leave in search of silverware at a new club but when we are on the brink of that with one or two additions in key area, we suddenly turn into accountants. I would say we are all in agreement that we have some special players at our club, really special players most notably Salah, Mane and Firmino, if we don't start winning trophies it won't be long before they leave for pastures new and would we begrudge them.

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15 Jun 2018 20:28:07
Alonso, forget Karius for a moment. This has nothing to do with money talking or not. Money may talk BUT what do you do if the guy you want does NOT want you in spite of your money talking? Allisson wants RM. Roma does not wanna sell to us except we cough up the cash and even if we did, Allisson is not interested and has said so himself so again, what are you proposing that we do?

I think your frustration is misplaced. Look at VVD. Saints wanted to get the best deal for their player and tho City offered big money (don't know how much) for him, VVD told not just them, but WHOSOEVER that came for him, to kick rocks. For him it was LFC or basta. Allisson and Roma are doing the exact same thing. This is not about acting like accountants or whatever as that has nothing to do with it, IMO.

ED02 said ages ago that Allisson like Oblak, was a non starter regardless of how much we wanted him. People did not listen and kept hoping against hope. Now, reality is setting in and people are complaining. The reality of football is talking and people had better realize that you may have all the money BUT if a player does LOT wanna come to you, you might as well be broke.

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15 Jun 2018 20:43:48
BRover the OP didn’t once mention Alisson, you appear to be obsessed with the guy!

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15 Jun 2018 21:01:13
Brover, to answer your point in short, there is nothing you can do. Its like saying you can flash as much money at certain women but they might simply not want you and money alone might not be enough so think we are safe to say we are in agreement there and can put that point you raised to bed.

Allison and Oblak contrary to popular believe are not the only talented keepers out there and with todays market and the known need for keepers among a number of teams throughout Europe, selling clubs will be well aware of the demand for top keeps among the elite clubs and in addition will hike up their prices, which means transfer fees for a number of keepers will be at a premium.

I think you slightly or shall we say overly missed the point I was trying to make, the same point I was making is not solely focused on a keepers but for any of the key positions we need addressing. Brover, try reading it again or maybe you read it correctly and in that case I respect your opinion but I am content in agreeing to disagree.

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15 Jun 2018 21:01:15
Kramer, he was talking about paying big money for a GK. How do we know that? He mentioned Karius in the post, saying he will support him regardless. What other player do you think he could be talking about signing if it was not Allisson or Oblak? Butland? Connect the dots, my friend.

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15 Jun 2018 21:17:46
Kramer just butting in brover the point u are making is right reguardless of names if the player doesn't want to sign and wants else where then he simply isn't coming no matter how many times fans get a hard on over this name or that name. Plus the games I have watched Allison in he hasn't faired much better than karius.
The boy is a kid in terms of goalkeepers and nobody can say u don't win tropheys with keepers like that coz we won a cpl with dudek and he loved a clanger.
I would prefer we work with Karius on the things he does wrong and let him learn his trade for another season or so, the money they are talking 60million ad rather we spent on a player we really do need that improves our squad as last season we had a good 11 and a poor bench if this yr we have a great 11 and a very good bench then we will be challenging on all fronts and that is with karius in goal.

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15 Jun 2018 21:28:22
Hendos, next season will be Klopp’s 4th (3rd full) .

How much longer do you think the owners are going to settle for “we’ll work on Karius”?

If Klopp doesn’t lift any trophies next year he’ll be asked some pretty tough questions.

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15 Jun 2018 21:28:22
Hendos, next season will be Klopp’s 4th (3rd full) .

How much longer do you think the owners are going to settle for “we’ll work on Karius”?

If Klopp doesn’t lift any trophies next year he’ll be asked some pretty tough questions.

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15 Jun 2018 22:06:58
Ron, and I'm sure Klopp is old enough and smart enough to answer those questions when he gets asked by the owners. Oh and by the way, Poch who many believe is better than Klopp. What am I saying? If the owners wanna keep Klopp after next season then that is their choice cos to them, maybe they think he gives us the best chance to win trophies cos right now, we are competing for them and if we keep doing that, I am confident he will get us there. The owners may think the same way, I don't know. Oh and by the way, Had Germany sacked Joachim Loew cos he kept getting close BUT no cigar before 2014, you think they would have won the WC with him? There's an example for you to chew on.

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15 Jun 2018 22:13:10
Alonso, I did read your post and you mentioned Karius from jump, which led me to believe you were talking about the GK issue. I agree with your post that both Allisson and Oblak are not the only GK's in Europe. However, the second best ones, are not that easy to get either cos their clubs may not wanna sell to us as well or we may not be interested in them either. See how that works? We really don't know. So all I'm saying is that, I see your point overall BUT the reality is what it is and Klopp may wanna either go BIG on the GK or quality outfield players if he can, OR go home and coach up the ones he has and he is BANG brilliant at that. Cheers, mate.

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15 Jun 2018 22:29:03
Ron do you care to explain can u tell me how many trophys we won with dudek? And westerveld? Both are of the same level as Karius in my opinion and how many we won with day Reina? Who by many was one of the best keepers in previous yrs, so ad say if our defence is solid and our holding kids do there job then it's is possible to win at the very highest level with a good Keeper rather than a world class expensive one would you not?
If you think it will be karius that costs klopp his job that's your opinion mate but personally I think that is very silly and the whisky has your thoughts dissolutional matey.

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15 Jun 2018 22:32:05
I get what you mean Brover and there are a lot of variables to both our points and agree with Klopp being bang brilliant as you put it at getting the less fancied players at raising their game. It is a gamble and massive gamble in sticking with Karius and I would like nothing better than a success story but the repercussions if it goes belly up could be catastrophic.

Could you imagine if he starts the season with mistakes, the media will eat it up and questions will be asked of Klopp when many would say it was an area that glaringly needed addressing. The media spotlight would not only be pointed at Klopp but Karius himself, first off no one knows if he will mentally recover from the final but if he does he would have to have the mind of a monk to ignore the media after a sticky start to the season.

All I am saying is that if i'm gambling man, which i'm not I would go for a new keeper or at least do whatever that takes, over paying etc if the keeper is solid and a huge improvement on what we have that's all.

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15 Jun 2018 22:34:54
Ron you were spouting this nonsense this morning. Why don’t you start a hate campaign and spray paint “Klopp out” all over the new stand and pay for a plane to fly over the ground on August 11th with a banner saying “Henry sack the boss”

Embarrassing at best lad.

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15 Jun 2018 22:37:31
There are tonnes of keepers better than Karius. That's a fact, not just 3/ 4 out there. I would like to see someone new given a chance and see liverpool move away from migs and Karius. Ucl wasn't Karius first poor game, I once saw him put the ball out for z corner from a goal kick! Ridiculous. I think we have had other priorities, cb, winger, but now is the summer to fill the gk role. Karius was worth a punt, it hasn't really worked, try again.

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15 Jun 2018 23:20:38
Kem a understand your frustration like us mate but that's abit harsh on Ron buddy he genuinely is one of the decent guys here and a very good poster he just has a difference of an opinion to us on karius matey.

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16 Jun 2018 00:04:54
Kemlynroad65, You talk about embarrassment lol your post is an embarrassment. Ron has his opinions whether you agree with them or not, it's his opinion! and he has a right to voice it, I have often thought the opposite of him recently especially regarding Klopp and Karius but who cares? he's a fantastic poster and we sometimes have different opinions, learn to accept that.

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16 Jun 2018 00:09:15
The universally accepted best keeper in the whole wide world tonight let in a far worse howler than Karius's fail vrs Bale in the final.

He's still the best keeper in the world, just made a mistake in a huge game, and believe me Portugal, Spain is a biggy.

If we can't land a true world class keeper Karius/ Ward for me.

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16 Jun 2018 00:18:25
IMO:

1) I hope Karius gets 1 more season to show steel and keep the lads career alight. Whatever the decision, it’s between Klopp and the owners to settle and over talking Allison, Oblak, Butland on this site is going to offer no benefit to anyone. I love this site and how we can openly discuss LFC but the Ed’s have responded to countless goalkeeper comments already. Can we just be patient, see what happens and start other relevant feeds now? No, not a Shaquiri feed 😉
2) Not sure I agree Ron. The “top four” clubs are more like top 6 these days and there is a huge divide between the top 4-6 places and the middle of the table. Consistently challenging top 4 let alone the league title itself is hard work for any manager. Unless Klopp were to have a very apparent clanger season and lose the trust of the fans, I really can’t see Klopp getting a grilling, or more. Klopp made it clear that he wanted to win trophies when he signed and I believe from what he has done so far with the team that a major trophy is in reach. But we can’t assume we know what the owners will do if next season isn’t a trophy winning season.
Anyway, a new jazz clubs just opened where I live, so I wish you all a very good Friday night/ weekend!

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16 Jun 2018 03:37:46
You’re being ridiculous there Kem, I’m one of Klopp’s most ardent supporters which is why I don’t want him to make this huge mistake.

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16 Jun 2018 05:14:31
Poor post kem, taken straight from a previous eds response to a knuckle dragger. Get your own words and don't use others. especially when you are talking to a good guy like Ron. Odd post and totally incorrect.

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16 Jun 2018 07:58:19
Ron has a very valid point. We need a trophy next season.

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16 Jun 2018 09:07:00
I'm right behind Klopp but ultimately he has to deliver trophies. He has come really close, three times now. Maybe this season we will end up with something.

Overall he has done a decent job. I think he has been slow at times to resolve fundamental issues with the team, such as the defence and obviously the Goalkeeper which has slightly delayed any progress and obviously helped cost us a few trophies. Thinking Moreno here, not just Karius.

I feel that we are getting there now and not far away from at least a title push if not challenge, and the fa cup should be a big priority next season to at least get a trophy on the board.

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16 Jun 2018 09:13:02
Kem, Ron and I have our disagreements BUT your post is in really poor taste. Drogie, I know we need to win something soon BUT you have to earn the right to win and have luck on your side to win, the latter has eluded Klopp since he came to us and that is frustrating. But let us just keep doing what we are doing, keep improving and the trophies will come. Saying "we need a trophy next season" is to me, preaching to the choir.

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16 Jun 2018 12:07:10
Not going to bother with this debate about keepers anymore because it just degenerates into “you don’t support as much as I do” nonsense.

I’ve made myself clear. If we don’t upgrade on our keeper and if Klopp finishes next season without a trophy but with his p45 I won’t be criticising the owners.

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16 Jun 2018 12:42:39
Whatever, Ron. If you think Karius will cost Klopp his job then sorry, football is more complicated than that. No one player can cost or save a manager's job and you of all people should know that but I guess the rules change when Karius is concerned cos you have given that boy absolutely NOTHIN since he arrived. Even when he plays well, you have nothing good to say about him. Your bias is showing. Oh n by the way, Migs did not cost BR his job. Poor results did and poor results is up to the whole team, not just one player.

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15 Jun 2018 19:49:53
A wonder if de gea will get as much stick as Karius that was just as bad it really does go to show even the best and experienced keepers make howlers, never mind a young inexperienced keeper. I feel the haters will still get the planes and banners to get Karius out tho.
Just goes to show people need to lay of the kid and give him a bloody change .

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15 Jun 2018 20:14:12
Behave yourself Hendos.
No one thinks that karius isn't good enough because of camps league final. It was the last of many unforced errors. The kid isn't currently good enough. I can't see some of our high profile players sticking around if he continues in goal.

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15 Jun 2018 20:29:24
Completely agree Hendo.
An to top it off, De Gea also had a very slow start to his career in England and made the occasional howler. And apparently still does. Hell, I don't think I can mention a single "world class" keeper who hasn't made a howler. Neuer, Lehman, Courtois, Schmeichel (Peter of course), Oblak, De Gea, Cech, Kahn. The list goes on. People need to chill the hell out.
I would be more than happy to stick with Karius and let him develope more and more. It's not easy being the goalkeeper at Liverpool at the moment since it's the position we as supporters analyze/ criticize the most, but I think Karius has done really well to cement his place and he deserves to be shown some faith.

On a side note. I recall a game last season (don't recall against who) where everyone's beloved Allison pulled a complete brainfart and let a very simple backpass in. Make of that what you will.

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15 Jun 2018 20:33:55
HB, I saw the error and I laughed so hard. Not at DDG but at those "experts" on here who keep spouting that a top class GK would not make the same mistake (s) Karius made in a high profile game esp. those who keep making statements like "DDG would never have made this or that mistake" as if they know anything about football being an exact science which is isn't.

Well, many of us knew that footie is NOT an exact science and here is the proof. Here is another in a log list of high profile errors in the biggest stage by for me, the top GK in world football, period. Lesson to the ITK's: This can happen to ANYONE in ANY game.

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15 Jun 2018 20:39:18
DDG has a long history of excellence, Karius does not, it is not the same situation.

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15 Jun 2018 20:45:23
Well said red mate.
Langland u need to behave and get that silly childish streak out of you lad but am sure u would of done better?
Ur just another person that wants to attack every player that makes a mistake, why would players want to leave because of a goalkeeper playing this isn't school football lad, there is plenty of players don't get on but they don't leave the club because of it, what a foolish thing to say.

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15 Jun 2018 20:53:47
Well said brover mate u will still get them winging but hey a suppose and hope a lot of people end up eating some lovely humble pie mate.
You know what get me tho when supporters like Langland come out with our high profile players will leave if he Carey's on in goal, a mean come on this is perfessional football not high school. Am not playing for the club because he is ner ner ner ner. A think some of our supporters need to grow the hell up man.
Personally a hope he does stay and prove them all wrong rather than waste money, one thing I do know is I will still be going to anfield and supporting karius if he keeps his place in klopp We trust matey.

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15 Jun 2018 21:17:15
Hendo, completely agree. It is the typical low-hanging fruit argument (or lack thereof) that we have come to love and enjoy from people who cannot make logical arguments to support their point. "Our best players will leave cos Karius is in goal". Now, that one takes the biscuit. If that was the case, then what da heck are the likes of Bobby, Cou (till he left), Mane and the rest still doing here cos Migs poor showing overall was enough for them to leave.

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15 Jun 2018 21:19:54
Putneyred, YES it is, IMO This is not a comparison btw both Karius and DDG as that is a false argument. The point here which I'm sure you know, is that ANY GK can make a mistake in high profile games and this point was directed at the ITK's who spent the whole post-CL final, saying "had we had a DDG, we would not have conceded the goals Karius did". DDG's error for the upteenth time, disproves that. That is the point being made here.

Oh and by the way, DDG did not make one mistake. He made TWO. Check his positioning on the free kick and the HUGE gap he left in his goal. I saw that and knew that if CR7 could get the ball over the wall, he would NEVER get there. And BOOM went the goal. WHO KNEW, right? DDG cost his team the points tonight. I guess he's human anyway. Had Karius done that on a free kick, we would be all over him and rightfully so. Again, not the point. GK's make mistakes regardless of their standing, end of story.

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15 Jun 2018 21:22:32
No way on earth was that error as bad as either of Karius’.

Ronaldo was about on the edge of the box with defenders in front of him obstructing his view. Bale was 30 yards away and Karius had a good view and plenty of time to get behind it.

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15 Jun 2018 21:29:02
Well said .

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15 Jun 2018 21:29:02
Well said .

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15 Jun 2018 21:48:41
Brover, I'm fairly certain not one person has said that.

The point is 'is Karius good enough? '. What has he done in two years to demonstrate that he is? He's been competent for sure but that's not what we want. The idea that he's going to become a great goalkeeper if we just wait long enough is the sort of backward thinking that results in Migs being our No 1 for 5 years. We need a great goalkeeper, we don't have one at the moment.

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15 Jun 2018 21:51:02
Brover I will not even say "not everyone is saying that" I will say I am saying, to the point of everyone will leave because of Karuis you raised which is in reference to the post I made.

Again I will simply refer you back to my post and again simply ask you to read over it again, either you are typing in emotions, not reading it properly in turn missing the point I was making or like I said you did indeed read it correctly and in that case again we will have to agree to disagree.

I said and please others can jump in and correct me if I am wrong, that we have a great attack with some special players most noticeably but not exclusively Salah, Mane and Firmino. its our keeper which is the weak link not helped with the midfield we had and the lack of partnership for VVD.

I did not mention the midfield in my post as we seem to have addressed that with our transfers thus far with Keita and Fabinho. This leaves the keeper as the main weak link, which is a key area along with the attacking midfield and a solid partner for VVD.

If these positions are not addressed then we will struggle to challenge for trophies, which is not a far fetched statement to make. Simple logic dictates that a lack of silverware if we are following the trend in football leads to your top players in particular the special ones whether its reluctantly or not looking to leave.

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15 Jun 2018 21:52:59
Well said HB.

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15 Jun 2018 21:52:59
Well said HB.

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15 Jun 2018 22:07:30
Brover is right that is exactly the point of this post and considering I was the op I should no Putney.

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15 Jun 2018 22:09:30
Alonso mate it wasn't you that said that your getting mixed up pal it was Langland that said it fella.

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15 Jun 2018 22:20:17
De gea is a million times better than Karius.

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15 Jun 2018 22:21:04
Agen alonso mate what did we win with dudek in goal and he is no better than karius my friend everyone deserves a second chance the point being we haven't seen enough of Katius to judge him get like brover has said previously I can remember the red side of Manchester in the first season or 2 when ddg signed they wanted him gone and how has that turned out may I ask? It's a matter of opinions and in mine I believe Karius is good enough and with some good old coaching can be a very very good goal keeper, some of us reds just don't want to give him the chance which I believe is wrong.
Look how aspas has turned out different position yes, but didn't enjoy himself with us yet now he is in the spainish national team,
But this whole post is what brover is saying that everybody was saying if we had ddg he wouldn't of made those mistakes yet he makes two howlers tonight!
Not much a disagree with you ron mate but I believe u are been to hasty this time and jumping on the young lads back does it matter which was worse the point is they both cost there team in big games mate.

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15 Jun 2018 22:25:19
Ron, a mistake is still a mistake and Karius is less experienced than DDG and as DDG is the far better GK, he should be held to a higher standard, IMO. Again, a mistake is a mistake and DDG made two mistakes in the game, end of story. Why? the first one needs no introduction. The second one was stupid.

How do you allow CR7 85% of the goal to aim at on a free kick. You are literally daring him to get it over the wall and his positioning made sure that he would have NO chance in hell of getting anywhere near it should the ball get over the wall. There was only one place Ronaldo could aim at and DDG still gave himself no chance to get to it. That is just stupidity and at its worst for a player that good and that experienced.

Had Karius done that, you would be all over him cos well to you, be can do nothing right so why has the rules changed with DDG? If Karius was in goal today, he would be responsible for both goals just as DDG is now and frankly, he knows it. Just look at his expression after the free kick went in.

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15 Jun 2018 22:31:20
Putney, At what point did I say Karius would be a great GK or would come good, in my post? Typical. I see you did not address the real point that started this thread NOR did you read the post I sent to you specifically so carry on w/ an argument or conversation that I'm not having if that floats your boat.

Again, the convo is not whether DDG is better than Karius or whether Karius deserves to be no. 1. We are talking about the false, nonsensical thinking that a top GK cannot make mistakes in big games, which is what the ITK's told us after the CL final. DDG debunked that nonsensical talking point, royally today and that is a fact that I will continue to laugh at till further notice. Cheers, my friend.

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15 Jun 2018 22:38:47
Karius is not in the same league as de gea.

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15 Jun 2018 22:42:03
I think it’s possibly the biggest decision of Klopps reign so far and the one area of the team he has shown indecisiveness
He has to decide if Karius can come back mentally from this and also do his teammates think he can because if they don’t have trust in him then there will be more problems ahead.
He is going to get pelters next season and even home games say he drops a cross you can see the crowd getting on edge
I would love him to come good but personally think he has some basic technical flaws in his game like he always seems to parry shots back into the danger zone and not out wide
Anyway big decision to be made and as you can see from this site opinion is split.

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15 Jun 2018 22:45:01
Yes brover that is how it is my friend you have got it spot on lad a howler is a howler reguardless of which is worse.
Well said mate it's a shame our fans can justify spending 80million on a goalkeeper what's the world coming to.

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15 Jun 2018 22:45:17
Hendos Brother, I never judged Karius on the final performance alone as I know everyone makes mistakes and have never posted anything to contradict that. Karius was better towards the end of last season but overall has been shaky to say the least, whereas De Gea puts out how many 10/ 10 performances over how many years so can be forgiven for having a few howlers.

I did say earlier in my post that everyone loves a success story and would love to see him turn from zero to hero but the risks are huge and if its a choice between seeing Karius have his success story or putting my team first then I put my team first.

If Klopp decides to stick with Karius then I will support him like I do with any of our player just saying I would rather do what it takes to get in a solid keeper this window that's all.

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15 Jun 2018 23:32:06
Brover, who is it that's ever said that top goalkeepers can't make mistakes?

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15 Jun 2018 23:51:01
Alonso what was ddg first two seasons at old trafford like? No better than karius first two seasons lad. Ddg is now a seasoned pro at old Trafford, but he didn't have the best of times in the beginning a don't really know how to put it any simpler as u are missing the point and comparing them now .
Squizza everything you mention is bad coaching mate a decent coach would be teach and telling him what he is doing wrong maybe that is the problem at Liverpool the keeper coaching as it seems weird how every goaly goes downhill with us even riena.
Liverpool and prince did you even read my op if pritty obvious that you haven't nobody is saying that Karius is better than ddg

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16 Jun 2018 00:10:06
Putney?,? What is up with everybody going way of cause with the op if it was golf most of you would be out of bounds man. That should be the end of this post it is crazy absolute crazy how people cannit understand what this thread started out but dicide to just blabber on about something totally irelavent brover and a few others I have enjoyed chatting about what this was about am going to leave it now as my head is that battered with posters rabbiting and spewing crap about something totally different to what it started out as, not to worry it is what it is a suppose.

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16 Jun 2018 03:41:47
Someone said that mistake was as bad as Karius’s.

I’m calling that as bull. You have to be wearing some pretty strange lenses to think that was anywhere near as bad as throwing the ball at a striker to go in the goal or letting a 30 yard shot going straight at you through your hands.

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16 Jun 2018 06:46:33
Rob mate this post started because people where saying ha do we had ddg in that final he wouldn't of made mistakes like karius, now it doesn't really matter what way you look at it ronaldos second goal was a bad mistake only18 yards out and went thu ddg. Point been all keepers make mistakes it's pritty silly to say that howler was worse than that one at end of day they cost there team thru a mistake it's simple really.

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16 Jun 2018 08:32:47
Hendo, you used what DDG did as a reason to defend Karius, I simply pointed out the two issues were completly unrelated. Everything since then has been responding to what other people have said to me.

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16 Jun 2018 09:24:37
Ron, are we comparing howlers now? Well if that is what we are doing then safe to say that DDG's error was just as bad as Karius and since, I'm not doing that, a howler is a howler is a howler etc. Both GK's made two mistakes in big games, Fact. No GK is immunned to making mistakes, FACT. Cheers, man.

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16 Jun 2018 09:25:51
Putney, Hendo's Bro has explained what the whole thread was about as he was the OP YET you keep having a conversation that no one else is having and has nothing to do with the point that started the thread. I call that deflection. Cheers, man.

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16 Jun 2018 09:26:58
Hendo's Bro, the prob is that these people seem to be "triggered" that we dared use Karius and DDG in the same sentence. That is what their prob is which is why they can't seem to grasp the point of the thread. Typical, really.

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16 Jun 2018 09:46:32
Ok, I'm going to post one last time, Brover, my first response directly related to the OP, everything since then has been a direct response to what you have said to me, if I'm off topic it's because you took me there.

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15 Jun 2018 19:48:41
Right that's it! No more attacks on Karius. Full stop all of you. De Gea - 'best goalie in world' just let in a clanger every bit as bad.

Even the best make mistakes. Five Karius the 24 year old a break. Paying £80m does not guarantee no errors. Get over it.

Karius will watch that and feel a foot taller I bet.

#stopkariusbashing.

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15 Jun 2018 20:00:16
Exactly right!
I have been saying this from the day after the final, if he works on his concentration and distribution we could have a top keeper in Karius.
True supporters get behind whoever wears the famous shirt.

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15 Jun 2018 20:01:13
I’m with you1jj top post
Up the pool.

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15 Jun 2018 20:07:36
De Gea has made one error, Karius has made a fair few. It's hardly comparable.

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15 Jun 2018 20:16:47
Didn't de gea make a mistake in a friendly recently to.

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15 Jun 2018 20:19:13
Karius isn't currently good enough he made errors before cHamps league final and but for poor refereeing we may not have got past man city or roma due to karius errors.

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15 Jun 2018 20:20:41
Boofs and Redan well said.

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15 Jun 2018 20:23:41
Am do you not remember degea when he first joined. He was absolutely awful in every department and all fans were calling him for to burn.

As said above real fans will get behind whoever pull on a shirt.

As long as he learns from his mistakes, and let's face it he had to a degree when given back the No1 spot, he will turn out to be a top class keeper.

Plus, Klopp doesn't get too much wrong with his recruitment.

Have faith my friend all will be good.

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15 Jun 2018 20:32:32
I will support whoever puts on the Liverpool shirt but if we have the opportunity to buy someone better, I am all for it.

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15 Jun 2018 20:40:05
Amrit, that is not the point and you either missed it completely or you conveniently avoided it. The point is NOT about DDG making one error (which is false cos he made at least 5 that I counted last season) . It is about people who think or act like footie is an exact science and that a top GK will NEVER make mistakes. They were the same experts telling us that had we had a top GK in the CL final, the errors don't EVER happen. Well, that has always been disproven and it just happened a gain. DDG, the best GK in world football, pulled a Rob Green or even worse. DDG's mistake should be a lesson for them to stop talking trash about Karius and give it a rest cos clearly, he is human, just like DDG.

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15 Jun 2018 21:07:43
If you guys think that Karius is good enough and are comfortable with him between the sticks next season, that's great. I think he, just like Mignolet is an error waiting to happen. For me, the most important purchase this season would be a top quality keeper, but if that doesn't happen then of course I will support Karius.

If you are telling me that Karius is even close to De Gea in terms of ability then I am not sure what to say. These players are human and of course they will make mistakes. The difference is, the best of the best, are far more reliable.

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15 Jun 2018 21:14:39
Agree 100% BRover.

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15 Jun 2018 21:23:21
Every bit as bad?

Have a word with yourselves 🙄.

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15 Jun 2018 21:45:52
Karius hasn’t been excellent for multiple seasons and De Gea made 1 mistake not 2.

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15 Jun 2018 22:35:09
Multiple seasons cobra he got a few games at the beginning of last season and the second of of this season don't be silly lad it's clouded judgements like this that a really silly let the lad have a full season before judging him.

Multiple seasons when did he sign ha ha ha ha you really have got me in stitches lad.

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15 Jun 2018 22:35:43
Amrit, again you are arguing with yourself on the "Karius is or could be a WC GK" cos I'm not arguing that with you neither did I mention it in my posts. We are simply having a laugh at those that say a top class GK would not have made the mistakes Karius made in a big game. Well, DDG just debunked that nonsense, royally today by making two blinding errors, to cost Spain the points. That is it. This does not mean DDG is worse than Karius or that Karius will become a top GK cos DDG made mistakes like he did. Separate but NO equal, my friend.

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15 Jun 2018 23:56:58
The likes / dislikes on the OP read 18-5.

No one touch them.

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16 Jun 2018 11:00:38
Im pretty sure that anyone who is lobbying for a top class goalkeeper isn't doing it with the statement i want a better goalkeeper because they don't make mistakes.

Karius may very well become a decent keeper but its going to take 2 to 3 more seasons for him to get there. He will never be world class though. No where near it.

Liverpool don't have the luxury of having a project between the sticks. The blood is in the water and what liverpool do over the next 2 to 3 seasons could at the very least establish them as the nailed on number 2 club in england going foward.

Ive read quite a few posts on here the last week saying how karius is a good sweeper keeper and he should get another chance because there aren't to many out there.

Karius is not a sweeper keeper. He is just a keeper that rushes off his line. There is a massive difference. Despite what some people are saying he isn't that great with his feet either. A good sweeper keeper has excellent timing and poise and can ping balls about comfortably.

Liverpool don't need a sweeper keeper they need a keeper who takes charge and commands his area by taking no prisoners. Someone who barks orders and pushes you out if your sitting too deep. Liverpool like to draw in and strike. A sweeper keeper is not needed for that playstyle.

Liverpool need a keeper that when you watch him play he looks like he was born to do it.

One thing i did notice about karius last season is that he started to come and get something on crosses and corners. It was an improvement on what he was doing before. So he clearly is trying to learn. If he would practise on pusing shots he can't catch to the side too then it would be a big improvement.

If he started next season as number 1 i will be all behind him but if a top class keeper becomes availiable and the budget allows it be it this season or next it would only be logical to pursue it.

Btw anyone who is blaming karius for losing the champions league final are dead wrong. The first mistake was cancelled out and the second one didn't matter cause was madrid went 2-1 up there was only one winner. The quality of depth in liveroools squad cost them more. Salah off and lallana on in a right foward position eridicated any fear madrid had early on and that was all she wrote.

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16 Jun 2018 12:49:26
I stopped reading after I saw "Karius is not a sweeper keeper".

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15 Jun 2018 19:47:54
OMG! De Gea just had a ray clemence vs Scotland moment!

Bet Karius is feeling a little better tonight!

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15 Jun 2018 20:41:18
DDG pulled a Rob Green vs USA in 2010, if not worse. Sorry, ITK's BUT the mutant is human, after all.

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15 Jun 2018 19:45:22
Proof that it happens to anyone, De Gea has dropped a howler.

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15 Jun 2018 20:42:09
That was not a howler. That was even worse than Rob Green vs USA.

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15 Jun 2018 21:04:17
Exactly the same as Ray Clemence vs Scotland 1976, a keeper we we generally view as liverpools best ever keeper

And guess who scored it? King kenny! Check it out on you tube you youngsters and see if I'm not right!

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15 Jun 2018 22:37:10
Marshy, don't say that, man. You will have the ITK's out in force, saying that you think Karius is just as good as Ray Clemence cos they both made mistakes in big games or whatever the heck that means.

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