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27 Mar 2017 12:09:35
Did anyone else read the feature on LFC's academy on Goal. com earlier today? Happy to share a link if I'm allowed but should be easy to find anyway.

Eds, would be good to get your thoughts on the accuracy of the portrayal? It seems like a bit of a puff piece but perhaps there's some truth in it? How does it compare to other clubs run their academies, for instance?

Thanks in advance!

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{Ed001's Note - no idea, I don't read Goal.}

26 Mar 2017 18:14:39
hi ed 001

I would like to know your opinion of coutinho
thanks again.

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{Ed001's Note - he is a top quality player, which is why teams mark him so closely, which creates space for our other attacking players. He links especially well with Firmino. Defo one of our best players and we should be aiming to keep hold of him and add quality players around him.}

26 Mar 2017 18:21:37
thank you very much sir.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

26 Mar 2017 19:49:19
Do you think we can keep him ed?

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{Ed001's Note - for now at least, yes. Barca have a lot of their own problems to sort out. They are massively overspending already, they are breaking their own constitution, even after a rewrite allowed them to spend more. Barca need to sell first, then they can think about buying.}

26 Mar 2017 21:07:18
I have been saying to those fans slating him for his dip in form and want him sold as a result, that you cannot sell your best players and yet think you can attract good players just cos we have money in the bank. We of all clubs, know how bad that idea is having suffered by selling Suarez (replaced by Balotelli and Lambert) , Alonso (relpaced by Aquillani) and Masche (replaced by Poulsen) . You attract good players by keeping your best players cos it shows that you have ambition and will to compete. Selling him will be a huge mistake and we will regret it.

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26 Mar 2017 21:25:26
I only think we'll sell him if he wants to go.

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27 Mar 2017 15:06:58
No ones slated him far from it people me included suggest he is to inconsistent and if a big offer came in we should take it as the money could be used better for other positions. Counts best position and the position he prefers is num ten role behind the striker we don't play that way so he plays left side witch we need a left winger like mane witch would improve the team better then counts being there.

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{Ed001's Note - where did you get it from about his 'best position'? How many times has he even played there in his career for you to decide it is his best position? Has he told you it is his preferred position?}

27 Mar 2017 16:00:59
His first season with us was in that role and if its not wat would counts say his best position is guaranteed he would say number ten central.

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{Ed001's Note - his first season was not in that role. He played a number of positions for us, but mostly off the left. Have you asked Couts? Or are you just making that up by any chance? Because I have never heard him say that, nor have I ever seen a direct quote from him saying that.}

27 Mar 2017 16:03:09
Ill put it this way would you prefer another left sided mane like player or counts there? For me it would be another mane type player.

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{Ed001's Note - we are the top scorers in the league with the system we have, why would you want to change it? It works with the combination we have. We only need another Mane when Mane is not available.}

27 Mar 2017 16:21:07
We play an interchanging front 3 so yes I believe a more forward thinking player to replace counts there would be better u say were top scorers buts someone in his position should be getting more. And of course i've not spoken to him but im sure he hasn't said he's a left sided mid either so wat would you say his best pos is? And im sure he played top of diamond and left side.

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27 Mar 2017 16:34:08
I'm with ed001 on this.

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{Ed001's Note - I have given up Ron. People just want a new forward to get excited about, rather than the top class player we already have who has been a big part of us racking up goals. There is little point even bothering any more in discussions, none of them want the issues we actually have fixed.}

27 Mar 2017 16:45:56
". We only need a Mane when Mane is away. "
Oh yes! Mane cost us £34 mill and is our top scorer. Consistent goal threat and one you could bank up on. So who is the next Mane? Academy?
We need a wide forward on the left who could score 10-15 goals a season.

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27 Mar 2017 19:14:05
Edo1 your problem is u can't except that counts is inconsistent cause he us your fav and ron u just follow I have said repeatedly that if we got a decent offer I would except as I feel the money could be used to improve the areas needed if you two can't except that don't reply simple counts is not even in our top 3 players he's been the same for the last 3 seasons brilliant for ten games mediocre the other 30 one of the youngsters could play the same amount as him and I would back them to get the same amount of goals and assists as counts. So ed its nothing to do with wanting new forwards all the time far from it I said the same last year we had the same arguement the money would be best spent else were that's my opinion were all aloud oneand until he starts performing week in week out that won't change.

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{Ed001's Note - you have no idea what I can or cannot accept. I would stop making up crap in your head if I was you. You are simply wrong and have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to this. As for you pathetic attempt to bully Ron for having a different viewpoint, grow up. I am done talking to you.}

27 Mar 2017 19:31:26
What about a swap deal? Would that be more beneficial for Barca. One recent article suggested that a deal using Rakitic could be on the cards. I know these are usually bull and rumours made up to to get readers but could a deal like this work?

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27 Mar 2017 19:55:39
Listen Folks, We keep Coutinho and buy an actual winger and play Couts in the middle. Coutinho is not a winger, Never was and Never will be. Klopp playing him wide is mainly due the fact he doesn't have one and the club is scouting a few.
Coutinho has performed beyond expectations on the flank. How many goals has Lallana when played as a winger?

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27 Mar 2017 21:00:12
ed001 often has a different view to me, but on this one I've been consistently saying the same thing.
In fact I said it last year about Mane but I was wrong. Last year I was all for giving Ojo more playing time but it didn't work out. Like I say, that time I was very wrong and ed001 rightly disagreed with me, but I'm fairly consistent in saying "don't block the path of our best youngsters".

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27 Mar 2017 21:55:47
Coutinho is very effective on left wing, he's just not like Mane but instead drops slightly deeper to create, play people in, run at defences and score the occasional goal. I suspect he'd also be a lot more effective with a left footed FB to play in without them needing to cut onto the right for a cross (and back into Coutinhos space) . No disrespect to Milner who's been excellent overall, but Coutinho would create a lot more opportunities with a more natural attacking LB.

Also look at the start of the year and when he was on form, he was making brilliant late runs into the box to score, creating goals for others and scoring from distance too. That goal vs Utd was out of this world. Not a Mane, but a very very effective wide player nonetheless.

I would say however I though he was also brilliant at left midfield in 13/ 14 season and wouldn't mind him playing there again, with another pacy winger being an option from the bench for certain games (particularly where we need more width) .

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27 Mar 2017 21:57:38
"Coutinho is not a winger, Never was and Never will be"

I think you'll find he played there in his last match. you really should pay more attention ;)

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28 Mar 2017 03:33:41
Really? Coutinho not a winger, that maybe true, but the player himself has said he is very comfortable playing in the left forward position. So perhaps I will believe the player more than you, Harry.

Also, Liverpool don't play with wingers as such, in Klopp's system, you surely will have noticed by now that it is the central midfielders who help out the full backs more than the wide players in certain types of matches. Against the big boys, the wide forwards come back and help out more too.

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{Ed001's Note - zimbo is, imo, spot on about the need for a left back with a left foot to play there. That is far more useful to us than replacing Couts.}

28 Mar 2017 10:45:35
Insigne, you are patently wrong. Couts has played on the left wing or left side of midfield since he arrived at Inter (under your god Rafa), at Espanyol with Poch and now at Pool with BR and Klopp. With Brazil, he plays on the right with Neymar on the left but with license to roam. He may not be an out and out winger BUT has always played wide left or right and still does till this day. Now is he better in the middle? Absolutely BUT his best games have been from the wing and roaming into midfield to find space for a shot or killer pass.

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26 Mar 2017 15:18:02
Went to the charity game yesterday class by all players both sides and raised loads of money.
Agger:class would love to meet him
Carragher:class he played as tho it was for 3 points 😂😂😂.

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26 Mar 2017 18:30:44
I may be nave but I think Stevie G. Could still do a job as an impact player for the first team.

He's a player that could cover multi positions.

He is still a class act.

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26 Mar 2017 19:06:59
Yep. naive 😂😂😂.

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26 Mar 2017 20:49:44
Sorry about the spelling error,
I meant naive.
But I still think He could do a good job as an impact player for the last 20 minutes.
He's fitter than Sturridge.

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27 Mar 2017 02:17:57
He never wanted to be a sub for us and that was one of the reasons he left to go to the MLS! Don't forget he was playing against players that were past their prime, so let's see what he can do as a coach and remember the good times.

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27 Mar 2017 13:24:25
My Gran is generally fitter than Sturridge and she's just had an insole fitted in her shoe for a collapsed arch.

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26 Mar 2017 13:10:52
Hey ed002 are we ..

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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page.}

26 Mar 2017 11:55:08
As skillful and technically gifted as James Rodriguez is, I am not convinced he is the right player to replace Coutinho should he leave.

Don't get me wrong, he has incredible vision, a wicked set piece delivery, and can ghost past people. However I am just worried by his failure to translate his international form to club level. It is like he lacks that fire in his belly when he isn't representing his country.

Very good player who can play on either wing, but he is predominantly an attacking midfielder. We really need to start targeting players for their natural positions and I don't see what Rodriguez brings to the table that we can't already get from Lallana, Firmino etc.

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26 Mar 2017 12:32:14
If you think he can't at least match what couts has done you'd wanna give your head a wobble.

I don't think he'd play of the wing anyway he'd be in the middle.

We will be buying winger to play on the left.

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26 Mar 2017 12:51:36
I have more chance in marrying margot Robbie than Liverpool do in signing james rodriguez, we couldn't afford his wages for a start.

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26 Mar 2017 13:12:06
Rafa Silva will be his replacement.

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26 Mar 2017 13:41:50
We'll probably end up with Oxlade-Chamberlain knowing our rotten luck and poor recruiting.

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26 Mar 2017 13:52:21

Hands off Margot, she is mine


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{Ed001's Note - I am just worried that anyone would think, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Rodriguez would be good enough to replace Coutinho. He is rank rotten, slow, terrible atttitude with nothing to recommend him. One of those that only looks good on two second clips on youareacompletetube. Anyone that actually watches him regularly will know he has been a complete disaster at Madrid and they are desperate to get rid of him. If we buy him, we are accepting mediocrity.}

26 Mar 2017 16:08:31
Not great at Madrid ed well that's an overstatement lol

But clearly unbelievable hidden talent he was unplayable at the World Cup.

Has he got attitude problems? Strange how he got a big club move and it failed?

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{Ed001's Note - he was not unplayable, nor does he have unbelievable talent. He is ridiculously overrated and nothing special at all talent wise. You clearly have never watched him play on a regular basis and are basing your views on a few matches in a crap tournament. He had a couple of flashes of brilliance, which is all he has ever done in his entire career. 3 weeks of dross followed by one MOTD moment and people with no idea only see that one moment so worship at his feet.

Nothing strange about it. He was bought because he is a good looking lad and has a huge commercial value for Madrid, who are all about making money first, playing football second. He would never have got that same chance at a real football club.}

26 Mar 2017 16:31:00
We don't even have any interest in him though right? Wages too high also.

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26 Mar 2017 16:49:07
Some players are not even capable of flashes of brilliance so he's got more than most 😂.

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26 Mar 2017 17:47:04
Thing is though, if Coutinho does go, which is likely, we will need to replace him and I'd be disappointed if we ended up with an also ran like Oxlade or a one season wonder like Mahrez because neither of them are fit to lace little Phil's boots.

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26 Mar 2017 18:33:38
Hm, definitely not as bad as Ed001 is making out. Although, equally not as good as most would have you believe.

A good player who has been out of form and had little impact at Madrid. Sure he can be a very handy player for achampions league level side still who would offer him more of a roaming role and play around/ for him.

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26 Mar 2017 19:26:44
I think their are two sides to this argument and the truth is somewhere in between.

He is a good player, but he is not world class. With the amount of money he would cost though, he should be world class which is why he would not represent good business!

To be fair to Rodriguez, he definitely has ability and when he can be bothered he can hurt teams. However he is really not much better (if at all) than Lallana, and definitely not as good as Coutinho.

I think the argument about his ability is pretty redundant anyway. He is just so clearly not what we need. We have Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino, Wijnaldum, Grujic and Ejaria who are all best in attacking midfield roles or behind a striker. 4 of those guys are currently in our starting eleven which hurts the teams balance very visibly at times. Based on our current formation and where they are playing; If we were to sell Coutinho we should sign a proper left winger, if we sold Firmino we would need a striker, and if we sold Lallana we would need a more traditional midfielder. It was a Rodgers habit to flood the squad with attacking midfielders so let's not continue that tradition!

If Couts left I think Rafa Silva would be a great replacement personally. We should go for the right players in the right positions instead of those who, as Ed001 basically put it, look desirable!

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26 Mar 2017 20:20:54
Your last post is dead spot on MK. Positions over Names or players. Left winger and not an ACM please!

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26 Mar 2017 23:06:05
I hope Klopp give Ojo or Wilson a go on the left wing.
No point in having these youngsters if we don't trust them.
Sterling was raw when he got his chance and he took it. We need to give Ojo or Wilson the chance to stake a claim.

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27 Mar 2017 02:57:38
Very silly to say Mahrez is dross.

He has got wonderful control, excellent ball playing skills.

The way he controls a long ball is pure poetry in motion.

Plz stop saying he isn't fit to .

shows your ignorance.


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{Ed001's Note - Puzzled, James is not out of form at all, that is nonsense. He is playing at the level he was when he was bought. He had a couple of good games for his country and suddenly ignorant people, who know nothing about him, think he is a superstar. He has never been outstanding at club level, ever. He might be great on FIFA or FM, I have no idea, but in real life he has done nothing on the pitch to deserve the reputation he has.}

28 Mar 2017 10:55:20
I have seen James play and he's a good player and that is about it. He is everything Ed says he is as I've seen him a lot cos I watch RM a lot as I have been a supporter of theirs since the days of Butragueno and Hugo Sanchez. Yeah, a very long time. James is not fit to lace Coouts' boots, period. Couts is younger, more skillful, works harder, has a great attitude and mentality, all the things James is NOT and does NOT possess. James is good BUT definitely NOT world class and his attitude stinks hence why Zidane wants nothing to do with him. He can't even get on the pitch ahead of Lucas Vasquez, an average player BUT one who works his socks off. James will be a waste of time and money and frankly, his attitude will make Klopp lose his mind. Rather get Brandt or someone else in and KEEP Couts.

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26 Mar 2017 09:07:49
Hello eds, hope you are well and are enjoying a nice day with your mums and family.

Sorry if it is a random question but with the dog of Barcelona in for couts, is there anyone scouting mane? Personally I think he is the best RW in the premiership and genuinely has everything you want for that roll; pace, power, finishing, assists, dribbling, and a great work rate.

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26 Mar 2017 09:20:01
No, there is no interest in him. }.

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26 Mar 2017 09:42:48
Cheers ed!

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26 Mar 2017 12:24:04
Strikes me that Couts in current form is not that great a buy for Barca, he doesn't seem to have recaptured the form he showed earlier in the season. Whether this is injury recovery, other players being out, missing Hendo, whatever but he's not got back to the top of his game yet. Certainly be good for us if he finds his best form for the last 9 games.

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28 Mar 2017 10:57:25
ND, Ed02 has said that Barcelona want Couts and he has signaled to them that he would like to go there and this since last season so his dip in form will not deter them. Now whether they can afford him is something else because ED01 said that they have some money issues and need to sell to buy.

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26 Mar 2017 08:27:41
Eds do you think klopp will be happy with karius taa matip gomez? As a back four just a new left back perirea?

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{Ed001's Note - not if Gomez doesn't improve over the second half of the season. The lad has just come back from a serious injury, it will take him a long time to be back to his best, probably will be another season of recovering for him to be honest.}

26 Mar 2017 09:02:25
I doubt that will be our line up next season. Periera will replace Clyne as first choice RB, Matip and LOvren will be the CBs and Milner will continue at LB till one of the young LBs we are looking at settle in and are ready for first team action. TAA is still learning his trade and will be rotated at RB. Gomez is probably another season away from being first choice CB.

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26 Mar 2017 09:45:10
Ed01 thanks if gomez isn't ready do you think lovren will remain klopps preference or? No mention of cbs on ed02 sharkopod.

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{Ed001's Note - Lovren is the first choice right now, when fit.}

26 Mar 2017 13:30:03
Perrerra could play on both the flanks which is a bonus and there has been no indications on offloading Clyne!

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26 Mar 2017 12:13:04
Ed01 thanks for your time who would be your choice for cb, lb? .

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{Ed001's Note - I would prefer to wait on centre back and give Gomez another season to get back to his best. Left back I would go for Tierney.}

26 Mar 2017 13:17:06
Is there a reason why juanma has not developing, everybody seems to rave about him but he is not even close to the under 23 squad much less the first team?

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{Ed001's Note - what? Since when has he not been close to the U23s? That is simply crap. When fit he has been in the team as either left back or centre back.}

26 Mar 2017 18:50:35
Cheers ed01 appreciated.

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{Ed001's Note - though I would have to say the Espanyol left back would be tempting if we could get him ahead of one of the big 3 in Spain. Espanyol have a lot of talent coming through their academy right now.}

28 Mar 2017 11:00:53
Is that the kid Hernandez, the young LB on loan at Espanyol from Athletico? If true, I see that he is highly rated as well.

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26 Mar 2017 07:46:18
Just wanted Ed001's opinion on Nastasic's time at Schalke so far. You suggested that he is a player we have had scouted as a potential CB partner for Matip. After his torrid time at MCFC (where he moved a bit too soon), how has he gotten on?

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{Ed001's Note - I have only seen them a couple of times, not really enough to judge him, but I am told he has rebuilt his reputation and has been very good for them. Apparently he learnt a lot at City and has matured because of it.}

26 Mar 2017 07:52:23
Good to know that Ed001. Really hope we go in for him (from what a bunch of my friends in Frankfurt told me about him) . Apparently, he has regained his confidence and seems more mature as a player and his decision making has improved considerably. Definitely an upgrade on Lovren and Klavan.

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{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't get too excited, we are keeping tabs on him but someone will need to leave before he would arrive. Not sure we will be able to unload any of them this summer.}

26 Mar 2017 08:59:56
That is kinda worrying imo. Neither LOvren or Klavan have the consistency to start for a title challenging team and GOmez is still a kid recovering from a serious injury. Matip needs a quality partner, especially when Karius is still settling in. Can see our leaky defense persisting next season as well.

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26 Mar 2017 00:53:43
Hi Eds, just wondering what your opinion was on Simon Kjaer? I remember us being linked him a few years back, and I think I heard he was a Liverpool fan, plus apparently he's doing well now in Turkey.
Thanks guys, great site.

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{Ed001's Note - not even close to good enough. Never has been very good and I would not touch him with a bargepole no matter who he supports.}

26 Mar 2017 11:46:11
I know we aren't looking at any CB's. What are the real chances on Gibson. Think he is criminally under rated and one of the best in the league. Boro to go down and with Woodgate a scout at Anfield, We should be seriously considering him imo.

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25 Mar 2017 15:42:27
All the best to Seamus Coleman from the LFC page! Great professional and person by all accounts.

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25 Mar 2017 16:41:29
Indeed, wishing him a speedy recovery.

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25 Mar 2017 17:04:28
Awful injury. Shocking challenge too.

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25 Mar 2017 18:46:53
Wish him a speedy recovery. Didn't see the tackle BUT I heard it was horrendous.

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25 Mar 2017 21:24:13
I was at the match, but I was the opposite side and didn't see the tackle. But you could tell from the reaction of the Irish supporters that it was a bad and nasty one.

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26 Mar 2017 00:07:58
Quality post that Forza, wish the lad well.

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