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23 Feb 2017 12:08:31
What you think about Gnabry who played for arsenal and is now at Bremen, could he be our left Mane?

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23 Feb 2017 13:04:59
Must be a joke.

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23 Feb 2017 14:01:28
Why so skeptical guys?

21 year old lightning quick left winger with 8 goals and 2 assists in 20 appearances this season in a top European League.

Is it just because he was ditched by Arsenal? Like Ejaria was!

Gnabry is a good player. Swear some people make an opinion on a player and then will never change it. I thought he was useless for the Gunners too, but he is proving now that they gave up on him way too soon. He'd walk into their current team if Walcott and Iwobi can get games!

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23 Feb 2017 16:30:26
Different leagues are rarely comparable to the premier league MK.

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23 Feb 2017 16:58:09
agree with you MK Arsenal gave up on the lad too quickly, he has looked good. Having said that it is only just over half a season in his first seazson of top level football - i wouldn't sign him just yet.

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23 Feb 2017 17:10:25
I've seen nothing from him that suggests the type of tactical awareness I'd like in a winger- seen him a few times and he doesn't track back, doesn't make runs, just relies on pure pace on the ball. Maybe one day he will be but right now, not for me.

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23 Feb 2017 18:22:13
No joke, Welsh. Gnabry is quite a talented player as I watched him at the Olympics and quite a few times at Bremen this season. He may not be the finished article yet and has holes in his game BUT he is one player that I think Klopp can get the best out of due to his work ethic (he wasn't even part of the Olympic squad but for the injury to Schalke's Leon Goretzka and he took his chance well, ending up being the top scorer in Brazil) . Keep an eye on him, I say.

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23 Feb 2017 18:23:13
Agreed Seano, I just didn't see the justification for the tide of disagrees and the negative comment. Gnabry may not be the right player for us, but saying it "must be a joke" as if he is some 32 year old wannabe from the Luxembourg national league? I thought that was a tad harsh!

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23 Feb 2017 19:09:02
I don't think my comments were harsh MK, I didn't call him old or say he was a wannabe. I just think there's better around if its pace we need. Arsenal don't give up on players early for nothing, you only have to look at how they're still persevering with Walcott as an example. I'm not saying Gnabry is poor but we can do better in my opinion.

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23 Feb 2017 20:25:57
Welsh, Walcott has BEEN finished for the past 4 years now. Wenger is know and berated by Arsenal fans for being loyal to his players even tho everyman and his dog knows that some of them, are past it, like Walcott and Ramsey, their opinion BUT one I don't disagree with. So I wouldn't apply the "Wenger doesn't give up on players" theory here as you do know he gave up on a certain Yaya Toure.

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23 Feb 2017 20:28:33
No worries Welsh. Thing with text is you cannot hear the expression or tone it is intended.

For me the words "must be a joke" would follow if somebody had just suggested Jermaine Pennant. Gnanry might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I think he is a decent player at least.

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23 Feb 2017 22:35:03
Cheers mk glad that's cleared up mate.

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23 Feb 2017 22:35:41
Ramsey past it? I don't think so!

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23 Feb 2017 22:38:01
And that's my point Noah. If wenger is so fiercely loyal why not stick with Gnabry?

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24 Feb 2017 02:37:35
Ramsey isn't past it he's been off and on injured since the World Cup! Although I'm not a fan of Walcott or anything when he gets a run of games he always produces goals and assists which is more than some tbf!

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24 Feb 2017 11:04:53
Ejaria hasn't proved anything at Liverpool yet. I fail to see why you use him as an example.

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23 Feb 2017 12:07:13
Eds what do you think of the choice to leave Melwood and to move to the Academy? I can understand Klopp wanting to see more of the Youngsters play but I think the way it is now works better. Its a message to the youngsters, if you work hard and play well you will move to Melwood and have a chance to impress with the first team. Maybe I don't see the bigger picture.

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{Ed002's Note - No, there are no secret messages and this was answered yesterday or the day before.}

23 Feb 2017 12:44:32
The difference is the accecability for the young players to the pros. You're 13 and one day you're walking into training and Phil coutinho passes you and walks with you chatting say or maybe offers you a lift and gets to know you abit? It breaks down barriers for the young players so they feel more like they belong like they're making a normal progression rather than making a huge jump from Kirkby to melwood where they don't know anyone or where to go . It's that familiarity that's the main plus. Second to that it the point you made of easier access for the management who can now finish their paperwork and nip outside to watch the u10s 15s 18s 23s etc. Third is the point that virtually every other club does it the way we're moving toward. It'll also be a massive selling point to young talents "look at this new state of the art fercility we've just built for you"

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23 Feb 2017 14:15:42
Good Points Jezza.

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23 Feb 2017 19:16:17
Coutinho an uber driver on the side? I knew he was talented that lad lol.

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23 Feb 2017 12:01:11
Any interest in ...........

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{Ed002's Note - You are on the wrong page - this is the Liverpool page.}

23 Feb 2017 11:11:39
Not Liverpool related, football related.


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{Ed002's Note - Sorry Ron, we are not going to go there.}

23 Feb 2017 11:36:39
Ok ed002, something which I feel strongly about but understand the decision 🤝.

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{Ed002's Note - I appreciate that.}

23 Feb 2017 08:08:16
Eds not sure where to post this - what are your opinions on ...........

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{Ed002's Note - Almost anywhere but here - this is the Liverpool page.}

23 Feb 2017 08:45:55
What is it with Obiang that most seem to have a major problem being linked to? What I've seen of him he's played well considering the so called support he has around him at West ham! Of cause I would prefer to be linked with someone like
Carvalho but Klopp knows the type of player he wants and who he thinks will be able to play his system and also at the price must come into it for Klopp.
Let's be serious Klopp has some rebuilding to do come the summer so I expect quite a few players coming and going in the summer but in the end I still believe Klopp is the man to get us there 100%.
So please everyone Have faith in Jurgen and here's to European football again next season.

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23 Feb 2017 09:37:28
I'm saying nothing after I criticised Klopp for buying wijinaldum last summer. Lol.

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23 Feb 2017 09:49:36
For me it's ignoring the most important issue.

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23 Feb 2017 11:05:17
For me he's not good enough and yes I've watched him play on a good few occasions.

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23 Feb 2017 12:05:25
Fact is the rumour is probably nonsense anyway so not worth worrying about until he's holding the shirt. If that happens we'll support him like we do all of our players. I agree Bolder if anyone can get us there it's Klopp. He's not perfect but he certainly has the ship pointing in the right direction.

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23 Feb 2017 13:18:23
Mikey, you're still not wrong, Wiji has been fine but he'll be the first of the front 6 to be replaced. He's a decent player doing a decent job but we should be looking at a level or two higher.

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23 Feb 2017 15:56:58
I don't see how he's the first of the front 6 to go. He's the newest player there. And he's still one of the youngest and it is kind of a new position. Think he's a vital
Part of the clubs future if you ask me.

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23 Feb 2017 18:24:45
Putney, I was skeptical of his signing as well but I have to admit, he has been very good this season overall so I disagree. Wiji is going nowhere, end of.

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23 Feb 2017 20:23:54
Guys, I just think this is one of those opinions that people are on the band wagon about. I don't see him doing anything that 30 other guys in the league couldn't do just as well. We're not the finished article yet and that means we need better players, it follows that means someone's getting dropped. Wiji's had the least impact of any of our midfielders or forwards and he's the first one to be dropped whenever Klopp tries to find a spot for Can. He'll be here next season but it will be as a squad player not first 11.

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23 Feb 2017 06:50:03
Is ward ever going to get a chance at first team football or will we loan him for a couple of years and sell him? I rate him highly and feel he can be our number one keeper given a chance.

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23 Feb 2017 08:13:46
Having watched him regularly for Huddersfield Town this season, I hope he makes our first team squad at least next season, as back up to Karius if you ask me.

I agree, I rate him also but I'm not sure he's ready to step up to quite the level we need just yet. He needs a bit more experience at top flight level first and some good coaching to improve things like his kicking and his ability in one-on-one situations, things that are important in Klopp's system.

I'd love to see him given a chance to push Karius though next campaign. We'll have to see if, like Ed001 has said, he's ready to prove himself to earn a place in the squad.

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23 Feb 2017 11:59:55
We don't fancy loans. He will be sold in the summer.

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23 Feb 2017 12:06:50
I have a feeling Ward might want to leave at the end of the season. I can't see him wanting to sit on the bench after playing all season, being first choice at a good level of football. I think, for him personally he would be better finding himself a Championship club where he will play every week.

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23 Feb 2017 12:46:55
I've watched him quite a lot this year as I live in Huddersfield and attend a few games over a season.

From what I've seen of him he has the potential to be a good player but is clearly lacking experience for the Premier League level.

He has good reflexes and is a good shot stopper for sure, he's long in terms of his wingspan and quick off the mark meaning he's able to cover long distances pretty quickly. He's pulled off some massive saves for Town this year and doesn't shy away from the big moments in the big games.

The problems I've seen with him is his concentration level when its maybe not a massive game. He's made a few mistakes this year which have led to around 5 dropped points. His distribution needs work however he does have the ability to use either foot. The biggest issue he has is the lack of command he has within the ranks. Rarely do you see him confidently and comfortably come for set pieces and crosses. If he can work on that side of his game then he has potential to be a decent Premier League 'keeper.

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23 Feb 2017 16:00:02
"Rarely do you see him confidently and comfortably come for set pieces and crosses. "

Sounds like the stereotypical Achterberger trained keeper.

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23 Feb 2017 16:29:13
If we have any ambitions of winning the league, then we need a world class keeper. Which unfortunately Karius, Mignolet or Ward is not. None of them is going to save us 12 points a season, which is what is required to win the league.

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23 Feb 2017 16:58:37
Agreed more no 🤝.

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23 Feb 2017 18:05:00
Have to say Ron, I'm really surprised by how vocal you are about not supporting karius. You're mr positive usually and he's only played a handful of games.

He could still be our guy and think he deserves next season to prove it.

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23 Feb 2017 18:28:19
I am as miffed as you are, 87red regarding Ron, the eternal optimist. Karius will be no. 1 next season as Ed02 has said so I suggest people get onboard and support him cos he will need it if he's to become the GK we all want. Besides, the top GK's won't be coming so might as well create our own and Karius has the talent necessary to be that. he just needs support and personal improvement which he has shown as without him, we wouldn't have had a chance in the EFL tie vs Saints so he IS talented.

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23 Feb 2017 18:57:40
Lads nothing will dull my optimism for LFC but Karius has a fundamental weakness in his game - exactly like Mignolet. That is he is hopeless with any ball above a height of 8ft.
In other leagues it is not as important. They protect their keepers more so it's not as much of a physical challenge and the style of football is not the same.
In the premier league as a keeper you have to be able to command your area. Karius can't even command the 6 yard area.
Evidence of our goalkeeper coach suggests that he can't change this in less than 3 years (Migs) which is why I KNOW Karius is going to have this problem in August 2017. You can bet every opposition scout and manager knows it too.

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23 Feb 2017 19:37:07
Steady on Ron.

De gea's biggest issue was being bullied in the air and on crosses.

Not suggesting karius can reach his level but shows it isn't an issue you can't overcome.

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23 Feb 2017 20:41:50
Or maybe it is the GK coach that is the problem, Ron. Are you biased towards this Karius lad or what? He's finished after ten games? Is that the new standard now for judging players cos if so, half our team should have been gone by now with that logic? He and Migs have the same issue as in catching a ball. Really? Who are you and what have you done with our Ron Kreague?

First of all, none of that is true as he hasn't played enough games to be judged adequately to see if he can command his area as he needs a settled back 4 in front him as well as needing to grow into the role, something that takes time, something you seem to have no intention of giving him.

Second of all, the boy is in a new league and like it or not, he will need time to adjust and with that, comes growing pains. Whether he will be great still remains to be seen so you nor I KNOW absolutely nothing about what will happen come this summer so stop acting like you do.

I and many others are fine with him being given a fair crack at being the no. 1 choice and so does Klopp and it will be up to him to show his mettle so I suggest you get over it and more importantly, yourself.

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23 Feb 2017 23:22:26
Noah, I've said repeatedly "he is not ready".
I have never said he is finished.
It's not 10 games, I said it before he signed, I said it when posters on here were linking him. I said he has a lot to learn and has a lot of improving to do.
Nothing has changed and it is not going to change before August.
That's why "he's not ready". Same as everyone says Ojo is not ready but they want to sign Brandt. Has Ojo had much more than 10 games? Is he finished now? Of course not. I'm allowed an opinion of a player aren't I?

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24 Feb 2017 00:06:48
87 - I think Karius differs from De Gea because De Gea did get bullied on crosses, but De Gea was at least going for crosses. Karius stands off, too hesitant.

And for Noah. Seeing as you know so much about what Klopp thinks, perhaps you can explain why the highly rated and obviously ready Karius is not playing ahead of the error prone Mignolet?
I would be grateful.

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24 Feb 2017 02:10:15
You are allowed an opinion of course BUT I am free to disagree. Bottom line is that regardless of what you thought of him, no one really knows if he will be ready until he gets a fair crack at the position. That is just a fact regardless of opinion as no one knows what will happen except of course, if you can tell the future. Since you can't, let's wait and see what happens.

I thought Wiji was a mistake coming to us and right now, I'm happy to be proved wrong as he has been a good signing for us even tho I thought his arrival was a mistake. I was ready to give him time and that is all I ask from you instead of saying "nothing will change", something that no basis in fact, just opinions, which are not facts, FYI. Give the kid time to prove you wrong or right is all I ask.

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24 Feb 2017 07:18:56
So Hamilton, how do people know Ojo isn't ready after a similar number of games yet it's ok for them to ask for signings like Brandt or Pulisic? Why the bias?
Klopp's not picking either of them, so evidence suggests they are both not ready.

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24 Feb 2017 07:21:04
Hamilton I said "nothing HAS changed" not "nothing WILL change".
Nothing has changed since I gave my opinion before he signed. He is not ready he has a lot to learn and much improvement to make before he is good enough.
That has not changed and it looks like Klopp agrees with me.

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22 Feb 2017 19:55:22
Ed1 just for fun.
When we sign a player you'll express your opinion on wether it will work and be good for the club. For example the likes of benteke been lazy and not a good fit. All the while I'm sure you get behind him and hope to be proved wrong. So I was just wondering have you ever been proved wrong?

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{Ed001's Note - many many times. Benayoun is one that stands out in my mind as a player I misjudged. He was much better than I realised. It is a lot easier to see more of the players now though, whereas back then I was judging players purely on having seen them at Anfield and MOTD. Nowadays I make sure to watch a number of full matches of a player before I make a judgement.}

23 Feb 2017 01:29:04
Most pro's are good it's all circumstantial. YB was great but.

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23 Feb 2017 01:30:53
Oops sorry late night drunk apologies.

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23 Feb 2017 11:23:35
A lot of people are slating Can, I think he'll turn good.

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23 Feb 2017 12:07:19
Drunk on a Wednesday? Lucky you. My Mrs Would cut them off?

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23 Feb 2017 13:24:58
Ed001, Matip can be another case? I think I remember you saying when he was signed that he was one for the squad but not a fixed starter.

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{Ed001's Note - I said I never saw him play. He was one I didn't know anything about so gave no real judgement, just guessed mate. So no, can't count him as I never knew anything about him and said that. }

22 Feb 2017 14:25:58
Question for Ed01.
Which players in the U-23s or academy are considered the strongest prospects we should look out for next season and beyond?


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{Ed001's Note - Jordan Williams, Juanma, Bobby Adekanye, Paulo Alves, Madger Gomes, Toni Gomes, Brooks Lennon and Yan Dhanda on a quick glimpse at the squad. Though it changes very quickly at that age and most of the standouts have already had chances this season. I have omitted those from the list, as I am assuming you already know about Wilson, Woodburn et al.}

22 Feb 2017 15:45:24
Ed is Williams seen as a midfield prospect or a centre back?

Always preferred him in a holding midfield role myself. His ability on the ball is wasted in defence.

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{Ed001's Note - I was told he is seen as a midfielder. Personally I agree with you, I would not be surprised if he threatened Stewart's place in the first team squad by the end of this season. So long as he stays fit.}

22 Feb 2017 16:17:31
What about Wilson ed001? I always liked him although i have not been able to watch much of the academy recently.

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{Ed001's Note - did you not read what I put mate? Wilson has got a look in with the first team so no point mentioning him.}

22 Feb 2017 18:23:04
Cheers Ed, wow had no idea he was progressing that well! I saw he was playing well but if he can start knocking on the door for the first team then great.

Reason why i like him in a holding role is he can play it like Hendo does. He is good in the tackle and reads the game well, but he has a sublime passing range. Stewart is more of an all out destroyer when he plays the holding role, (he is probably slightly better running on the ball than Hendo or Williams though) as his lack of passing range makes us slower to switch play. That is the key difference for me; Stewart will put in a crunching tackle then carry it forward, whilst Williams and Hendo will slow the attackers down and show them into less dangerous areas, then use their passing range to spring a counter attack when we win it back as a team. Stewarts style looks awesome but it is risky as missing the tackle can either take you out the game, or get you booked.

Both good players in their own right, but Williams could offer genuine like for like cover/ conpetition for Henderson.

I really would love Stewart to get a chance at left back if Williams does take his place. Stewart primarily came through the system playing on the flanks; either full back or wide midfielder. He could potentially solve our left back issue if he has no future here as a centre mid! If not, i would rather have Stewart as our utility player than James Milner.

I honestly thought Williams was out of sight out of mind after his loans in recent years. Great to hear this Ed, thanks!

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{Ed001's Note - he was always very highly rated, it was injuries that held him back. Beale certainly liked him a lot when he was at the club.}

22 Feb 2017 19:47:10
In a similar way, Ed001, do you see any of our 12 loanees being brought back in with a view of being given a shot at the first team for next year? Or do you expect most to be moved on? (sorry if it's been asked already) . Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - most will leave mate. Though the likes of Ward should stay, it is up to them to prove themselves ready for a step up.}

22 Feb 2017 20:13:12
Thanks Ed001.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}

22 Feb 2017 20:38:28
Academy products are like throwing skittles on a table. A few might stay up but the rest will scatter around.

But just because there not at liverpool doesn't mean they qont forge greay careers.

Just don't follow them in my opinion because you will just send yourself crazy. Sit back and wait to see who comes through.

You could literally watch the youth all over and each and every week there will be a stand out perfromance and you will want them to be giving a shot.

Its just lunacy to think we could produce 7/ 8 players from all the age groups consitently year on year for the first team.

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22 Feb 2017 21:58:13
Conor masterson got a name check off klopp last week is he any good eds.

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{Ed001's Note - I have not seen much of him to be honest. I was just mentioning the names I had heard spoken about by opposing coaches and our coaches. It does tend to end up forward-heavy, as they are the players that get noticed, and Masterson is a defensive player.}

23 Feb 2017 03:18:17
Yan Dhanda has really impressed me this year - invariably stands out in the academy matches and if he keeps working hard (and stays injury free), I reckon he will make a career out of footy.

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23 Feb 2017 11:28:54
More then half of em won't make it.

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23 Feb 2017 11:45:21
What do you reckon of Jack Dunns chances?

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22 Feb 2017 10:43:24

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{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages.}


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