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21 Mar 2018 17:31:27
Not sure if we have an international teams page? I looked through but couldn't see, I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on the World Cup.

Been reading a post on the BBC about Southgates problem of who he picks, highlighting one part 'Davies has deplaced Rose'. As we know ed001 i believe stated poch is freezing him out because of contract talks not actual footballing ability.

So after reading this, i thought I'd rather see what everyone's thoughts are here than carry on with that article.

I think we could field a decent team, but it's a case of will they perform and I like some players like Pope but he hasn't really played internationally before, not saying he can't do the job, maybe it will take a few games to adjust though :/

So yeah, it would be great to hear people's thought and opinions, who you'd like out there on the pitch.

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{Ed033's Note -

Our international football page for the World Cup.

21 Mar 2018 18:13:00
Cheers Ed033 lad!

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21 Mar 2018 18:23:35
I think this England team is one of the weakest in a long time. We have a few really good players and the rest are ok. For me Southgate players the most boring football ever ( or we are just spoiled watching Liverpool 🤔) .
I do support England but it’s definitely lost is appeal over the last 8-12 years.

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21 Mar 2018 19:13:06
Listen, are fans happier now, in 3rd place (having played an extra game) and in 1/ 4 finals of ucl or when rafa was winning us the champions league by beating teams 1 0 and defending for our lives? I can tell you, I have never been so happy as a fan as I was when we last won the champions league. People are slagging utd style but it's not totally dis similar to how we played in 2005. Trophies are what makes fans happy.

Now, in the world cup, if we got to the semi finals by playing defensive football no one would mind, but if we went out in the group stage or the first knock out round, playing attacking, flowing football (like we did with Hodgson) people would be angry and probably call Southgate irresponsible.

I think England have some real quality in our team. We have one of the world's best strikers in Harry kane, we have some exciting attacking mids in Ali, aoc and lallana. We have some very decent full backs in rose and walker. And we have Jordan Henderson in cm.

I think there is less ego in the dressing room than we had with rio, Terry, lampard and Gerrard etc and I think that's a good thing. One thing you can say about Southgate is, he knows how to take young teams to the very end of international tournaments and win them. I've been bored when watching England lately, especially after watching Liverpool. Its like watching coronation Street straight after watching pulp fiction but his record is pretty good so far, I am pleasantly optimistic about our chances.

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21 Mar 2018 19:36:41
This doeant mean to sound rude, but does anyone really care about england? Reality is Southgate doesn't have a clue and is a yes man to the powers above him. I would be surprised if we make it through the group. For me personally I haven't watched them since we got beat by Iceland and haven't had a keen interest since 2006.

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21 Mar 2018 19:59:34
Of course I care about England. Firstly, its the only team I am obliged to support as a football fan. Secondly, you can't pick and choose when to be an England fan because we're not good at a particular time. Thirdly, any tournament with us in it just adds another level of excitement. Regardless of how bad we are, there is always the thought of 'maybe we could. ' before we begin.

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21 Mar 2018 20:56:39
People would “care” more if we were a better team.
I think “care” is the wrong word. I care about lots of thinks but international and even domestic football teams can look after themselves.

I’d be delighted if England were challenging but when they play such dire uninspiring football I lose all interest.

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21 Mar 2018 21:02:22
Max, why the hell would there be a thread here if no one cared? And since when has being a fan of a team been dependent on that team's success? England's my team, it doesn't matter if they win or if they fail to qualify. I cannot wait till the world cup begins.

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{Ed025's Note - my main problem with england is....when the squad gets together for matches or even worse friendlies the domestic football programme flies out the window, i love my bets on a saturday and its the highlight of the week for me watching stelling and the boys giving me hope that i get the better of william hill, it might be a bit selfish of me but other than putting my dosh down a grid whats a guy supposed to do.. :)

21 Mar 2018 21:24:44
Ed25, I bet once a year on the Grand National, with my personality anything more would be dangerous. I'd win once, convince myself I'm a genius and lose everything else.

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{Ed025's Note - that sounds like me putney everything to excess, i smoke too much, drink too much and gamble far too much, if i was better looking i would probably be doinking everything in sight as well mate..and im a vicar.. :)

21 Mar 2018 21:41:10
I'm with Ed025 on this one, international football bores me rigid.

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21 Mar 2018 22:50:03
Thats fair enough that a lot of you don't care too much for international football. England aren't usually too great and it's a joke having the world cup in Russia and Quatar, It just got me thinking about it today after reading the BBC so thought i would at least ask.

I think we have some talented players but not very experienced at the international level.

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21 Mar 2018 16:07:21
Eds with the arrival of Keita and a creative midfielder in the form of Lemar, Draxler etc where does that leave Ox? Does Klop see him as a midfielder or is he going to move him to the wings as a backup to Salah and Mane to get game time?

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{Ed001's Note - you've lost me, why does that make any difference when we are also losing players?}

21 Mar 2018 16:57:42
Out / In
Coutinho / Lemar
Can / Keita
Lallana / Ceballos.

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21 Mar 2018 16:58:22
Just examples I should add! Not saying that will happen.

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21 Mar 2018 17:29:01
Gonna be interesting to see what happens with Lallana, Ings, Grujic and Mignolet in the summer. Lallana I hope will stay. He needs football and is always a good option in attacking midfield when you need to retain the ball.

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21 Mar 2018 17:44:10
AOC becomes a utility player.

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22 Mar 2018 01:11:21
we always do this. we pigeon hole players and then layer expectations on them. we have players who do excel at one positoin but are also flexible enough to play elsewhere. over the course of a season everyone is going to get game time unless they are not performing. Ox will get game time and if he is performing well enough, then there is no reason why he wouldn't start ahead of anyother player we might consider as "better"

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22 Mar 2018 06:48:20
Mk, Ed002 has told us to forget Lemar for now mate, I no you were just giving examples. I would much prefer Draxler.

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21 Mar 2018 14:52:57
Does anyone know if these midfielders we are being linked to (Jorghino, Ndidi etc) are a direct replacement for Can? After todays comments it seems certain he's off so is there a plan in place?

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21 Mar 2018 15:06:05
Of course, OP. Can was already gone since last summer when he refused to sign a new deal and Keita could be considered his replacement. I presume the links to other mid's is to get someone in to take the pressure of Hendo and play WITH Keita in a CM double pivot esp. since Milner may be gone as well.

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21 Mar 2018 17:33:14
Kieta can’t be a replacement of Emre Can. They are different players. Can likes to play deep while Kieta plays alongside a deep midfielder. So we could see someone coming in who has played deep or likes to operate from the deep like Jorginho or Ndidi.

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21 Mar 2018 22:17:14
He was being touted as a replacement in the summer to play with Hendo, Harry. Jorginho and Ndidi were never mentioned on this forum as targets until now. That is the difference regardless of whether they are different oer not cos Hendo was going to play the deeper role anyway along side Keita had he come in the summer.

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21 Mar 2018 14:30:13
Could be worse lads, could be a United fan.

First they employ a sound engineer to try and boost the atmosphere at OT, then they create a singing section.

Now they're looking at song sheets and cheer leaders 😂😂.

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21 Mar 2018 15:06:31
Sounds like a club on the up and up.

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21 Mar 2018 15:44:46
I wonder when they will start playing entertaining football. That might help 😄.

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21 Mar 2018 17:26:43
Love it Ron!

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21 Mar 2018 18:04:29
Clearly Ron, they are trying to fix EVERYTHING else apart from the the problem itself.

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21 Mar 2018 18:36:00
I wouldn't sing either watching that. They play the Most boring route one football in the Prem.

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21 Mar 2018 20:07:43
So should we now expect Utd fans to stand up in unison, holding their hymn books and singing the player to victory now?

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21 Mar 2018 21:00:07
I have sympathy for the fans, the vast majority of ManU fans are part of the football DNA and we should just count ourselves lucky we have an entertaining team at the moment.
Let’s be fair, some of our home matches have been quiet this season too. 🤝.

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21 Mar 2018 22:14:18
That's true, Ron. I just feel that the methods they are using are hilarious. Why? Cos they had the nerve to put it in the media. Who does that? If LFC had done that (even tho it can be quiet at Anfield at times), it would have been just as hilarious.

Fans get excited based on what they see on the pitch which in turn, creates the atmosphere. There is NO other way around that. If you are providing habitual dross every game, you definitely need hymn books and sound amplifiers for sure.

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21 Mar 2018 14:18:26
I know i might be proven wrong very soon, but part of me suspects that Emre Can is pulling one over us, and will sign a new contract with LFC.

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21 Mar 2018 14:25:14
I hope you are right but something tells me we will both be very, very dissapointed.

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21 Mar 2018 14:33:46
fairly certain ed002 may say otherwise ;)

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21 Mar 2018 14:54:22
He is not good enough. Many players can do what he does, we want and need someone who is much better.

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21 Mar 2018 15:08:33
Can has BEEN gone since last summer so he's not pulling anything on anyone. Players don't have time for such things. He's gone and good luck to him for what he did for us, playing thru injury and sickness to give his all to the club. Btw, we don't get CL footie last season without Can either and that is a fact.

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21 Mar 2018 16:26:45
I wish him luck too, i do however find it a bit strange that he is talking about playing for a big club next season, can't make up my mind if its a lack of respect or whether he was asked a specific question he has simply answered.

Will we miss him, yes we will miss the can that is on form and up for it. Will we miss the inconsistent sloppy can, no. Im still not convinced by him and feel he gets the amount of game time he does because of the lack of quality we have in his position and hendo being fragile and not being able to play every game.

I think if keita hits the ground running can will not be missed, but i feel we need to replace his sheer physicality which keita certainly is not, energy yes but he is a slip of a man compared to can.

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21 Mar 2018 17:32:36
Keita in behind the front three, same place Coutinho played.

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21 Mar 2018 18:06:41
What wrong with saying that, It's a coming? Is Juve not a big club or are we going to act like they are not? LFC and Juve are institutions both domestically and internationally. All Can did was state a fact. I would not read too much into that, my friend.

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21 Mar 2018 22:06:52
Emre Can is a solid PL player but very far from irreplaceable or integral to our team. He always did his best though and that’s good enough for me. Let him go with our thanks and best wishes.

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22 Mar 2018 08:54:56
Not disputing that brover, however his inference is that we are small club hence why we don't win trophies. You should read the article in full. Like i said, i wish him well but lfc are definately on the up with klopp and we will win a trophy next season. don't know which one but its inevitable.

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21 Mar 2018 13:54:38
Liverpool 5 v Watford 0 - Tunnel Camera
Best part in my opinion at 03.40! Haha.

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21 Mar 2018 15:48:06
These videos are always well put together :)

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21 Mar 2018 13:43:29
Ed 001, do you think there is a chance Ejaria is a genuine part of the 1st team next year?

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{Ed001's Note - I would rate it extremely unlikely to be honest. I am not sure he will ever make it at Liverpool though, I just don't see it.}

21 Mar 2018 13:56:51
He has struggled to grab hold of a game at senior level, even at the bottom end of the Championship. He'll probably be a Premier League player one day but as Ed001 says, It's unlikely He'll be good enough to make it at Liverpool sadly.

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21 Mar 2018 14:08:05
Ejaria is a talented player. Unfortunately, I think there may just be too many players occupying the central midfield position. Not to mention Keita, and possibly one more, incoming. We are fully stocked in that position. And, many that already play centre mid are considered not good enough. If Ejaria couldn't get even one chance, in what many consider an underwhelming midfield, what are his chances when we finally strengthen that position.

It's a shame, because I really like the guy and feel he has qualities, but I think a permanent move to the Championship might be what is best for him. At this moment I think that is his standard but, in a few years, he may develop and get a shot with a Premier League club.

Unfortunately I do not see that Premier League club being Liverpool.

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21 Mar 2018 14:52:10
I tend to think that Ejaria will make it in the premiership, maybe not with Liverpool, but he will make it,
I see Liverpol slowly cecoming an elite club, and only the better players will fit in .

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21 Mar 2018 17:16:01
I don’t see any youngsters making it to the first team except TAA and Gomez as for now!

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21 Mar 2018 18:36:41
He isn't good enough.

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21 Mar 2018 13:24:54
Ed001 if you have a moment please mate

Sorry if this has already been asked but I couldn’t find it on the search.

What do you think of Butland as a keeper? Do you think he’d be good enough for us or to be England’s no 1?


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{Ed001's Note - no, he had the potential to be excellent but constant injuries have ruined him. He is in and out of the team all the time and it is really affecting him as a player.}

21 Mar 2018 14:46:02
Personally think as things stand now that Pope should be given the chance as England's number 1, already a superior keeper to Hart and Pickford and as Ed said injuries have really hampered Butland.

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21 Mar 2018 15:11:03
Butland is not good enough for LFC as Ed has said esp. with his injuries and constant errors (caused by the fact that he's always injured hence, can't get a good run going) . He is overrated and has not improved one bit, IMO.

As for England, it is a shambles that a team "hoping" to win the WC may well end up playing a rookie as their no. 1 in Pope cos well, Hart is pants and Pickford is well, Pickford.

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{Ed001's Note - not sure it is a shambles, Pope has shown himself to be fully deserving of his place.}

21 Mar 2018 16:46:31
Pope has been the best english keeper this season by a very significant dstance.

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21 Mar 2018 17:48:31
Ed001, would you see Pope as an upgrade on Karius?

I suspect not, and in which case, which keepers (based on what you have seen/ heard) would you say are a genuine upgrade?

My feeling is that, given his recent form following (surprise surprise! ) a run of games and having a calm defender in front of him, there aren't too many keepers I would pick above him, and certainly not very many at all who may be available in the summer.

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{Ed001's Note - not Pope no, though he is a phenomenal shotstopper, he is not suited to the way we play. Unless we can get Alisson, Oblak or De Gea then we are not defo improving. Donnarumma has been too patchy of late and shown signs of a loss of focus, probably due to the fact that there has been a lot of friction between himself and Milan and also with the fans. The fans are unhappy because they feel his brother was only given a contract to appease him and he still wants to leave.}

21 Mar 2018 18:10:53
Ed01, you are making my point for me in a way. If a rookie like Pope regardless of his talent, is all England can offer as the best in the country then, that tells a dreadful story of the state of GK's in England. That's kind of the point I was making esp. for a country like England who pride themselves in "challenging" for the WC.

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{Ed025's Note - england have not challenged in a world cup since 1970 brover..

21 Mar 2018 19:21:08
England aren’t good enough BRover! Their league is dominated by Silva’s and Salah’s!
Pope is a decent keeper and I am not sure how he would perform in our “ everybody attack “ style of play lol.

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21 Mar 2018 20:09:18
Ed, hence the reason why I put certain words in quotation marks, lol.

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21 Mar 2018 12:44:39
Interesting article on the lfc website about loans for our players and the way they're picked also saying they only made the role in 2015 showing how ED2 was right we never used to have anyone bridging the gap between where the players were on loan and lfc staff etc. It shows the club has made progress in recent times on that issue and hopefully that progress continues until it becomes well established and successful.

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21 Mar 2018 13:38:30
That roll was long over due Jezza let's hope it work's out.

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21 Mar 2018 10:52:15
Ed do you no if Draxler is looking to move on in the summer, you have explained our interest but do you think he is interested in joinng us, or far to early to tell?

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{Ed001's Note - no idea if he wants to join us but he is likely to move, PSG need to sell him.}

21 Mar 2018 12:23:01
Ok mate cheers. what's your thoughts on him as a player, do you think he would fit in with our style?

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{Ed001's Note - not seen enough of him to be honest. Every time I have seen PSG he has not been in the side.}

21 Mar 2018 12:31:45
Very good player I think he lacks the mental side to be a real top top player and it seems he did chose PSG for the money aspect of things which would worry me going forward
Why could we not be linked and seriously want Rabiot lol.

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21 Mar 2018 12:32:33
I have a feeling that Klopp will convert Draxler into a KDB type of midfielder, someone who can drive the ball out of midfield and pick defence splitting passes. Draxler has been playing a similar role at PSG this season and has done pretty well so far. Expect Keita and Hendo/ Jorginho/ another DLP to complete next season's midfield.

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21 Mar 2018 13:39:48
Is Draxler worth chasing Ed001?

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{Ed001's Note - as I just said, not seen enough of him.}

21 Mar 2018 14:20:34
Sorry Ed I didn't have my glasses on.

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{Ed001's Note - no worries, I know you are old enough to have gone to school at the same time as Ed025, half 8, quarter to nine....}

21 Mar 2018 14:22:55
I'd say yes. He's nowhere near as consistent as you'd life for a player of his reputation and probably price, and he's definitely not had the impact at PSG he'd have wanted having been in and out of the team and struggling for game time, but he's the sort of player who can take a dour game and force things to happen. If Klopp thinks he can get that out of him more often than Emery has, then he's worth having in a big way.

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21 Mar 2018 14:22:59
Question for Ed001
Do you feel like its between Draxler and Cebellos as to who we sign in the summer? Thanks again in advance.

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{Ed001's Note - too early to say.}

21 Mar 2018 15:12:56
Draxler is super talented and has been since his teens. The prob. is that he is TOO inconsistent and for me, such players should be left exactly where they are. Also, who would know more about Draxler than our very own Klopp? So if Klopp does not touch Draxler or any other German player that I may think we need then, I will defer to him all day.

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