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16 Jan 2017 18:18:08
Question for Ed's 002 if he/ she is about.
Lfc related in regards the race for the Prem title, is the Costa to China rumour just a storm in a tabloid teacup or is there any truth in it?

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{Ed002's Note - This is the Liverpool page - try the Chelsea page.}

16 Jan 2017 19:11:03
Sorry Ed's me bad.
Been over there, lots of chat but no input from yourself, I don't believe any rumour till you or 001 say it's so

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17 Jan 2017 08:51:28
Don't you listen to the sharkopods? I think we can rule out ed 02 being a woman

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17 Jan 2017 15:42:44
Or an American woman!

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18 Jan 2017 17:00:16
A cup of Costa .

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16 Jan 2017 18:12:09
Hello Ed02,
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{Ed002's Note - I have answered all of the questions that need answering already - I am not going to start answering questions from people who have no understanding of what is a very simple matter.}

16 Jan 2017 19:12:38
Sorry Ed02. I have another question mate. Could I ask?

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation.}

16 Jan 2017 20:04:54
Ok Thanks Ed02, I shall search it myself mate.

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16 Jan 2017 16:13:50
Hopefully an open minded post.
This year much like Leicester last year without Europe was a good chance to go pretty close in the league, we started really really well and whether its due to a dip in form or loss of players, or maybe even a stop in momentum at the international breaks we have dropped markedly in our position and advantage points wise and in our form.
Now I do know lots are trying to be positive and so they should BUT, when you watch Chelsea recently do they look like losing? I'm saying not so let's for a start forget any fantasy breakdown we think they might have, they have quality players everywhere and a very good manager too, Arsenal are doing what Arsenal do, flitting about the top four and not looking like winning it, but they do seem in general to be whooping the lower down sides, something that we seem to have forgotten how to do.
Man utd are hitting form at the right time and you wouldn't rule out top 4 now and City are the other team like us to have a dramatic dip at the wrong time.
Spurs I personally think now look very confident and are playing well enough to finish top 2.
So what gives? Whose been missed and whose gone missing?
I think Mignolet has stepped up 100% as in my eyes has Karius in the cup game, Milner I think had a lapse for a few games but is playing back into form a bit, Klavan will always be suited by some games more than others as will Lovren, I don't think with a few games Trent Alexander will prove at his tender years to be any less capable than Clyne and I personally think for leadership Matip has been a loss.
Couthino was a massive loss, a loss for the team and a loss personally for Firminho who looks blank without him, Henderson also no matter what anybodies opinion is always a big big loss now, Can I personally don't see ever being that great but that's my own personal view and Wiji I think has grown into the club and his role in the team and if he could score more would be worth a fortune,
Lucas is clearly off at some point, and for me none of the midfield kids look ready yet, not quite anyway.
Lallana is quality in my eyes and needs to be back in midfield and away from the wing where he is a massive waste.
Up front we clearly miss Mane, his pace and acceleration, Firminho is certainly no winger AND has gone off a touch, Sturridge the enigma just doesn't seem wanted by the gaffer and just isn't doing enough, Origi is marmite, I think there's a player in there but he's a young lad whose very hit and miss and the kids like the midfield don't seem quute ready and that includes Woodburn and Ojo.
Id personally like to see Wilson have a bash in the cups.
Its all personal opinion so im not stirring a shouting match here im just sharing opinions, For me we've gone off the boil, we've forgotten how to score and sometimes we seem to shoehorn players into positions instead of finding solutions to players needed.
I seriously think we need a real good striker or two and I really think we need a quality partner for Henderson, a winger would also not go amiss.
I firmly believe the back four with either Matip back in and/ or a top drawer centre half to partner him would see us ok at the back and the least of our worries in my book is a goalkeeper at this moment in time at least until the season is over anyway.
We seriously need to hit top gear again as the other sides are not just going to go away, they are playing well with the exception of City and to make sure we keep on course we need some swagger back.
Hopefully Klopp has a plan whether it be transfers or not but let's not just wear the rose tinted and assume all is well as no win in 4 games says it isn't at all and we are now in a massive dog fight for top four and whoever scraps best will also end up champions in my book.
We can still do it but we need to do it now as any more ground lost will just put us under immense pressure and im not sure we're up to that pressure just yet.
Keep cheering folks, YNWA

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{Ed025's Note - good read that richie mate..

16 Jan 2017 16:44:34
End of the day we can never blame anyone if we loose the title to Chelsea. Or we could credit ourself for finishing inside top 4. Whichever way you think is a success. Personally I believe we should be challenging quite easily with 3 of the top 4 sides changing managers and usual TRANSITION we should be right up there and theoretically we are third atm. But point wise we are 7 below Chelsea and 1 above City.
We need to start playing the way we started off the season and focus on each and every game from here on. We cannot drop anymore points.

Good one Richie.

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16 Jan 2017 17:07:01
The cup games have distorted things a bit, we've taken 14 points from our last 6 league games scoring 12 goals and conceding 4. A point away to Utd can't really be considered a bad result which leaves Sunderland as the only bad day at the office. We're also getting key players back now.

Things aren't as bad as they seem.

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16 Jan 2017 17:15:36
Everyone has had ups and downs, Chelsea's, MU's and cities the most dramatic, ourselves, spurs and arsenal have plodded along quite steadily.
Our u23 squad drew a cup game, we lost 1st leg in a cup game away, and drew 2 away league matches featuring 2 pens and a goal that shouldn't have stood to the form team in the Prem at the moment.
If this is a crisis god help us.
I'd have bitten your arm off to be ahead of MU, ARSE and MCFC tied for 2nd at this stage Of The season.

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16 Jan 2017 17:55:49
That is a very good read Richie mate. We do need to step it up your right as I think the ones around us will. However Chelsea have Looked like loosing recently. ask Spurs. It just points out that they're not unbeatable. We haven't won in 4 (fair enough) yesterday was a good point in my eyes, Plymouth was our youngsters, Southampton is only half time. and yeah ok Sunderland was a bad day. so except go Southampton (which we can put right) we haven't lost either. let's be positive!

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16 Jan 2017 18:02:00
Think it's down to our starting XI go missing we suffer which is more noticeable in our front 3 (coutinho, firmino, and mane) as don't really have a replacement. Mane is our wide pacey option that doesn't have an adequate replacement, nor do we have a replacement for firminos press and movement or coutinhos quality or creativity.

Added to that lallana is entirely different than any midfielder we have as with Henderson. Finally Matip seems to be the only one to organise and calm our defence.

May seem like I'm mentioning too many things but simply if we lose one of our 'best XI' we do struggle to find someone to replace them.

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16 Jan 2017 18:03:39
" dramatic dip " in form i agree with everything you say Riche but that is an over exaggeration.

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16 Jan 2017 17:50:48
Thanks ED025 and Harry, We all have differing opinions that's football but I sometimes think we need to be realistic too, Its easy to get blinded by your own team amongst supporters bias but we ARE in a good spot compared to last year and clearly Klopp has brought on some players and some have not got with the programme so to speak, He doesn't appear to be blind Mr Klopp so I figure he has a plan one way or another,
These home games coming up will give us a measure of where we stand for later in the season

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{Ed025's Note - im a massive klopp fan richie and if anyone can bring back the glory days its him, how some can have a moan about him is beyond me mate..

16 Jan 2017 17:55:49
That is a very good read Richie mate. We do need to step it up your right as I think the ones around us will. However Chelsea have Looked like loosing recently. ask Spurs. It just points out that they're not unbeatable. We haven't won in 4 (fair enough) yesterday was a good point in my eyes, Plymouth was our youngsters, Southampton is only half time. and yeah ok Sunderland was a bad day. so except go Southampton (which we can put right) we haven't lost either. let's be positive!

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16 Jan 2017 18:02:00
Think it's down to our starting XI go missing we suffer which is more noticeable in our front 3 (coutinho, firmino, and mane) as don't really have a replacement. Mane is our wide pacey option that doesn't have an adequate replacement, nor do we have a replacement for firminos press and movement or coutinhos quality or creativity.

Added to that lallana is entirely different than any midfielder we have as with Henderson. Finally Matip seems to be the only one to organise and calm our defence.

May seem like I'm mentioning too many things but simply if we lose one of our 'best XI' we do struggle to find someone to replace them.

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16 Jan 2017 18:03:39
" dramatic dip " in form i agree with everything you say Riche but that is an over exaggeration.

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16 Jan 2017 18:25:38
Great post richie. Agree with what you said. Be interested to know who youd like the boss to sign?

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16 Jan 2017 18:20:46
I think you're panicking too much.
"we have dropped markedly in our position"
Last time I looked we were joint second behind Chelsea. Chelsea might not look like losing, but it only takes one game then a dip in confidence and they could drop 5 points in a few weeks.
We're just over half way through the season, if we're 7points behind with 4 games left then I'll be panicking. There's 51 points to play for and Chelsea have to come to Anfield where we are unbeaten for over a year.

Don't lose your nerve, keep believing 😎

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16 Jan 2017 18:45:11
We've 17 games left and only seven of those are away - a tough game at City aside, we should keep applying the pressure to the top sides, turn Anfield into a fortress and see where we end up. keep the faith lads.

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16 Jan 2017 18:20:46
I think you're panicking too much.
"we have dropped markedly in our position"
Last time I looked we were joint second behind Chelsea. Chelsea might not look like losing, but it only takes one game then a dip in confidence and they could drop 5 points in a few weeks.
We're just over half way through the season, if we're 7points behind with 4 games left then I'll be panicking. There's 51 points to play for and Chelsea have to come to Anfield where we are unbeaten for over a year.

Don't lose your nerve, keep believing 😎

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16 Jan 2017 19:37:29
Great posts on this thread. I agree with you as a whole, Ritchie BUT the 4 games we haven`t won must each be put into context. Vs Utd, we gave a solid away performance and Klopp out-coached Mou for the upteenth time with his tactics and our overall team performance. Utd only equalized with an offside goal so that`s hard to take. The Plymouth game shouldn`t even count as we played mostly the U23 team. The Saints defeat was a poor one and even Klopp admitted to. The Sunderland game was unfortunate but it was a negative result.

We have been in a sticky patch yet with all that and the missing players we have, we are still joint 2nd and three points ahead of City with the easier run in as well as 10 of the 17 games coming at Anfield. We are still in a good position in the PL, still in the Cups and most importantly, we play Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs at home, a chance to affect their points tally directly. We`ve taken their best shot on their patches and they still couldn`t beat us. We`ll see what happens then. All the teams will drop points BUT we have to make sure to drop less than everybody else, period.

We just need to stick together and fight like we did vs Utd where we were promised a hiding from all and sundry YET here we are, still alive and still standing. We`ll be fine and I have all confidence in Klopp.

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16 Jan 2017 21:20:30
If this is our bad patch for the season i will take it. Get Matip back in, Hendo and Coutinho stay fit and we will be fine and dandy. Its all good😊

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16 Jan 2017 21:45:35
Nice to see some rational posts on this thread and some genuine footy talk, someone asked who id like us to sign and that to be honest is the million dollar question.
In honesty I just don't know, I have this thing about Costa type serious goal scorers and i think we lack one, although to be fair id have loved Vardy in last years form up front for us, I think hed have been cracking with his pace.
Other than that just some real real quality on the ball for me in particular a proper midfield box to box man.
Thanks for the responses they're appreciated!

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16 Jan 2017 21:49:37
If all of our sticky patches resulted in being joint second with 17 games to go (10 at home) we would've won the league a few times in the last few seasons.

Good review Richie 🙂

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16 Jan 2017 22:09:33
You say we've had a dip? Before the dip we were 6 behind Chelsea and in 2nd spot. After the dip we are 7 behind Chelsea in joint 2nd.
We are 7 behind, we need to win our next 2-3 games and close the gap on Chelsea. then it's anyone's title for the taking.
Should we slip up in the next 3 games, then we will have to settle for top 4 which isn't bad at all.

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17 Jan 2017 16:25:26
Spot on, Mag. And 2 of the next 3 are at home. Win your home games and you`ll be in great position for the title and if not, definitely top 4.

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16 Jan 2017 16:06:53
Hi Ed2, not sure if this is something you'd like to comment on but do you think it's likely that Liverpool will sort out this Matip issue or will he have to wait until the end of AFCON?

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{Ed002's Note - I depends where the issue rests - if the Secretary did what was necessary then the onus is on the country who should have been chased if they did not provide acknowledgement. It is very simple.}

16 Jan 2017 16:25:55
Thanks Ed2, apologies for repeating a common question.

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{Ed002's Note - No problem.}

16 Jan 2017 16:28:23
It seems pretty clear this process was not followed. Klopp is quoted as saying "Our understanding is that Joel is retired. " - He has either officially retired, or he hasn't. There should be no grey area here. My guess/ assumption is that he hasn't officially retired, more asked not to be selected. In which case, Cameroon are entitled to dig their heels in. It's a real shame and disappointing this has been managed so poorly

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure how you can conclude that given what is known and what The AP were told by FIFA; it seems to be no more than speculation. If Klipperty pops along to see the Secretary then he could find out exactly the situation.}

16 Jan 2017 17:22:17
My point exactly old bean. Merely a guess/ assumption on my part. If, as you say, the Secretary had informed Cameroon, the situation is clear and we could play Matip without fear of reprisals. If not, then he will not be available until the end of the tournament (+5 days)

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16 Jan 2017 17:33:13
Ed, does it matter that he was not named in the final squad? Or the fact that he initially refused the call up mean it remains an issue?

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{Ed002's Note - TRy not to complicate something which I have already explained clearly. No conjecture, nothing.}

16 Jan 2017 15:59:25
Fifas response to Rob Harris at AP

"We can confirm Liverpool contacted FIFA about the matter to which you refer. Our services answered by directing the club to the applicable provisions.
Restrictions on playing;
A player who has been called up by his association for one of its representative teams is, unless otherwise agreed by the relevant association, not entitled to play for the club with which he is registered during the period for which he has been released or should have been released pursuant to the provisions of this annexe, plus and additional period of 5 days. "

Any breaks of this rule would go to a Fifa disciplinary panel
Sounds to me 002, it's not Fifa or Liverpool being incompetent, but Cameroon? They're not saying he can play?

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{Ed002's Note - You cannot derive this from what The AP was told Benny. The Secretary has to have informed the country and FIFA of the player's retirement from International football or injury to make him ineligible for selection. There is nothing here to say that has been done. These are simply the rules - no more. If they failed to do this then the player is ineligible for the amount of time that his country are in the tournament plus five days. If however they did do this and had not had an acknowledgement from his country, the Secretary should have chased the country's FA and informed FIFA that was happening - then the onus would be on the country. There is nothing in what The AP were told to draw any conclusions from.}

16 Jan 2017 16:16:41
I get that mate, and I'm sure you're tired of the questions on it. I just feel surely, we have had all season to make Cameroon aware, if we did leave it till it was too late and now we potentially have to wait till 10th of feb, someone at our club should lose their job. Such a massive cock up (if that is the case)
Thinking as i type, I don't think we have done it the right way. Else they'd have had no problems playing him against united if it was just Cameroon at fault.

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16 Jan 2017 18:02:24
It's an absolute shambles, whatever has gone on to result in us having to pull a player from the match day squad is so so amateurish. You could not make this one up. It does increasingly sound like liverpools cock up, it would be nice if Cameroon would just accept that matip doesn't want to play for them and let him play for us though, regardless of whether they are obliged to or not. Much like liverpools behaviour over spearing at Bolton, just grow up and let him play

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16 Jan 2017 19:43:32
If what the Ed said is true, then we have no one else to blame but ourselves. Cameroon are doing what is within their right rightly or wrongly so we should have done our homework to mitigate against them pulling a fast one which they did and now we and the player may be left to suffer for this shambles. Get it sorted, LFC!

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16 Jan 2017 22:23:43
I think it's safe to say Matip will not pull a Cameroon jersey on again 😄

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17 Jan 2017 00:11:46
Very very true Ron

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16 Jan 2017 15:30:21
Some people here have such low standards. Harping about being joint second and highest scoring team in the PL. The same historians will talk about Istanbul.

Why not look at the fact that we are winless in 4, We have not scored from open play since the Sunderland game and we are now 7 points off Chelsea with major home games against our rivals for top spot.

The level and standard of this team has gone down. there is concern from a few, but are the rest of the fan base just expecting us to wave a magic wand and somehow catch Chelsea who are supposedly due to go through a rough patch and drop points as some on here think is bang on to happen? We have to be close enough on points to the leaders to have a chance. Based on our current form that doesn't seem to be where we are headed.

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16 Jan 2017 15:44:08
Chelsea will drop points at Anfield 😎 We have been unbeaten against our rivals so those home games would seem like a positive to me. I guess some of us remember where we have been in the league in recent seasons and would have been happy to be in a cup semi final and 2nd in the table at this stage.

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16 Jan 2017 16:23:09
We have to beat them first mate . Playing at home does not mean you get the 3 points all the time

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16 Jan 2017 16:15:02
We are not catching Chelsea anymore.

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16 Jan 2017 17:47:38
Why do we have to be so negative? Its one of the best seasons we've had in a while barring 13/ 14 perhaps, we still have Klopp as our coach, we hopefully have three of our best players coming back soon in Couts, Hendo and Matip (and Mane if Feb) and no, the title race isn't over yet!

Yes we haven't played our best in a few games but that's bound to happen every so often in a tough league and it's hardly been the end of us.

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16 Jan 2017 17:53:29
Oh and by the way. I think the words you're looking for are 'walk on' rather than 'feel depressed' when you go through a rough patch 😆

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16 Jan 2017 17:53:14
All I'm saying is we beat Chelsea and Arsenal away so why can't we beat them at home? There's two ways of looking at the situation and I'm trying to be a glass half full guy.

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16 Jan 2017 18:07:03
I'm sure some fans think they will actually drop dead if we don't win the title this year.

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16 Jan 2017 17:53:14
All I'm saying is we beat Chelsea and Arsenal away so why can't we beat them at home? There's two ways of looking at the situation and I'm trying to be a glass half full guy.

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16 Jan 2017 18:17:05
Zimbo - actually we are in a better position at this point than we were in 13-14 - more points, players coming back rather than going missing (by and large), more of our top 6 opponants away than we will have this time and a much better run-in than we had last time (no top 6 opponants in our last 8 games vs 2 in our final 4 in 13-14).

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16 Jan 2017 18:26:13
Ok Sweet Chin, you are coming across as a bit "multiple personalities". Last week we were going to win the league, 1 game later we're not catching Chelsea.
Try not to be so reactive. 1 game, a 2 point swing and you've given up hope- it's bonkers 😜

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16 Jan 2017 18:50:43
I won't give it until it's mathematically impossible. It's more than possible for Chelsea to drop points. Seen the majority of there games this season and the defeat to spurs was on the cards. And I honestly think they'll drop points, they still have united, city, arsenal and obviously us to play yet.
Not saying we'll win it but think it'll be pretty damn close.
Gladly we seem to be getting players fit at the right time. time to push on.

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16 Jan 2017 20:09:03
"We will never catch Chelsea anymore". Do you have the winning lottery nos. as well, Harry? Vintage Harry, really as Ron described, always talking with all four sides of his mouth that it has become extremely difficult to keep up with what he (or they) actually believe. We are still in a good position and still have the 3 of the top six coming to Anfield including Chelsea so we will see what happens. As long as we continue fighting hard, that`s all I care about and of course, we must make the CL this season. All teams will drop points all we have to do is drop less than anybody else. Things are so tight right now and if we don`t keep calm stop over-reacting to each result (good or bad), we may end up losing everything as in, the title and CL footie.

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16 Jan 2017 21:18:42
Wow, that's some whinging right there isn't it.

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18 Jan 2017 17:14:34
We played Chelsea of the pitch at Stamford Bridge. It actually forced them to change the way they've played since.
They are not looking forward to playing us at Anfield.

They are ahead now on merit and are the team the rest are aiming for.
That brings it's own pressures.

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16 Jan 2017 14:55:10
Hi eds

This situation with Matip, are we expecting a quick solution with him available to play for us in the next few days or is it likely to take weeks?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea where the problem rests.}

16 Jan 2017 14:13:50
Ed will you have time to do a match report today?

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{Ed002's Note - Ed001 is not around much for a few days.}

16 Jan 2017 13:49:18
Anyone know if the u23 game is on TV tonight?

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16 Jan 2017 13:56:37
Lfc tv

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16 Jan 2017 14:09:32
It'll be on LFC TV.

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16 Jan 2017 15:10:37
Cheers.

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16 Jan 2017 12:44:59
what a superb gesture from everton yesterday giving brave Bradley lowry a day he will never forget, that little chap is a inspiration to us all, I hope Liverpool and other clubs give him the same experience as he received from the people's club, puts everything in perspective really as to what truly matters in life.

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16 Jan 2017 17:45:02
What bell hit the thumbs down button I pray it was a mistake.

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{Ed025's Note - i would hope so as well barry, some things transcend football rivalry and this is one of them mate..

 


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