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Liverpool v Manchester City - A Liverpool Perspective

10 Oct 2018 10:58:13
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Manchester City - A Liverpool Perspective

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10 Oct 2018 11:11:08
Nice review Ed, I do wander why Pep insists on playing sterling against us when every single game he has a shocker, clear mental block vs Liverpool, I would of gone with sane and taken him away from the pressure he clearly struggles with at anfield.

But at least it’s a good thing for us!

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10 Oct 2018 11:47:38
Love your match reviews. Thank you for doing them!

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{Ed001's Note - welcome mate, sorry it took so long.}

10 Oct 2018 11:48:22
I think it was a fair game ed. It wasn't very bad like the Napoli one. Ball kept moving and there were enough attacks. Both sets of defenders played particularly well and it was a well balanced game. It felt like a good old top of the table clash with two very good teams respecting each other and not committing to making a statement. Seemed like both teams had decided this will not be the game that decides the bragging rights.
I look forward to when we go to Etihad. Will we park it there for the draw.
Times certainly are changing at lfc, a sense of responsibility and discipline is there for all to see and it has worked wonders for our defence.
We have the attack and it will click once players get used to the new style by matchday 12-15. Till then we will keep grinding.

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10 Oct 2018 12:25:45
Great review Ed. Every time one of the front three gets the ball, 2 and sometimes 3 defenders collapse on them. By now, you would think that they would expect that and have a counter.

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{Ed001's Note - that is why Keita should have been closer to pick up the ball and run at them and draw away defenders.}

10 Oct 2018 13:14:55
As always, very well written and spot on. Thanks Ed, much appreciated mate.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

10 Oct 2018 13:27:44
Great review ed001.

It’s pretty obvious that teams are looking to reduce the space with the front 3 and the marking as you mentioned is quick and tight on them. You can clearly see there are gaps when you have 2/ 3 men say, around Salah and we should be looking to exploit this.

Not sure if you saw, one of the few times Keita drove forward ( through the middle ) it drew 3 men around him to make a tackle. A quick release to someone in space and it completely opens up.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly mate, Keita needs to do more of that.}

10 Oct 2018 14:04:34
Thanks for the review Ed001. Very good points about Keita and Mane. With Mahrez and Walker on that side I think Robertson should've been told to hold back at some point to allow Keita to get forward which would've made more space for Mane. Either that or as I was actually hoping to see Shaqiri replace Mane and be given the freedom to find the space. Not really I bad result I suppose but we were lucky to get the point with the way we played. Nice now that we've an easier run of fixtures than all the rest coming up. A 10 game winning streak in all comps would see us right, including Arsenal, Everton and United. I actually think the break came at the right time, seems we need to refocus a bit.
YNWA.

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10 Oct 2018 15:20:35
Cheers ed. Not sure what angles you saw for Lovren penalty shout, mind. Certainly the ones I saw showed no touch on Aguero, or at least one worthy of a pen. Maybe your super duper 4K box which showed it up properly.

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{Ed001's Note - he certainly kicked through, whether he got him or not is irrelevant, it is given more often than not.}

10 Oct 2018 15:20:51
Great review Ed001 mate. I generally agreed with everything you said but I thought both teams looked too scared to lose and that actually impacted on the players' mentality. Whether this stems from respect or not will become more apparent in consequent games. I think Man City paid us huge respect but in a way I'm not sure that a gung ho attitude would have actually helped them or played into what would have ultimately benefitted us. I do agree that had Naby moved closer to the front three this would have reduced the Man City forward play and our attack could have been more impactful but I now have the magic of hindsight. What is good is that luck was on our side for this result and I may of been heard shouting "God supports Liverpool! " after the penalty, lol ;)

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10 Oct 2018 15:49:32
Thanks Ed! Always a pleasure to read your reviews!

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{Ed001's Note - cheers.}

10 Oct 2018 16:05:26
Cheers Ed, great to have the match reviews back, they were sorely missed after the Chelsea games.

Games like this and against Napoli make me miss the Ox more then I already do. He was inconsistent as he adapted to his new role and there's no guarantee he would have made a difference, but on his day he was a bright spark. That city goal was something else.

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{Ed001's Note - yep, but Keita could have done similar if he had been at his best. VVD needs to stop telling him to drop in to cover Robbo and tell Robbo to hang back instead. Let Keita get on the ball in the opposition half and run at the opposition.}

10 Oct 2018 16:28:22
Thanks for the great review as always, Ed001. I'm with you on the utilisation of Keita. We were all very happy when we realised that he was being signed as a replacment for Can. Because based on what we had seen, Keita would do a better job of bursting forward with the ball and either passing off or taking a shot at goal. Can was too inconsistent in all aspects of his game. And it is turning out that Keita is not doing or being told to do what we thought would happen. It's easy to point fingers, but I would question the tactics and coaching being dictated by the coaching staff. I'm aware that Keita was simply doing what Milner does (cover for Robertson), but as you rightly mentioned, it's a waste of Keita's talents. I still think Keita is at his best when playing in the middle. His talent is being stifled. Perhaps have Wijnaldum shifted to the left below Mane?

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{Ed001's Note - agreed, I would have done that with Wijnaldum. He is better defending than Keita.}

10 Oct 2018 16:45:44
The Liverpool fan in me says Lovren on Aguero wasn't a pen but if it happened with Laporte on Firmino I'd have been screaming for one. Don't know how Lovren got away with it, maybe it was because Aguero got right back up to play? Thought the ref was poor anyway, City got away with murder at times although to be fair we got away with a pen call or two ourselves.

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10 Oct 2018 18:01:46
I have said it in the past. Kieta is wasted on the flanks and I was told “ I don’t know about football”. He is a central player. Drops deep, pick the ball and run it forward with precision and accuracy. That is what he did at RBL. He is a creator and not a paddy to Robertson and Mane.
This set up or instructions doesn’t suit him. He has to play through the middle.

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10 Oct 2018 18:22:12
Rating spot on we are improving at the back forwards not so good at the moment.

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10 Oct 2018 18:55:12
Thanks for late review Ed001. With this boring International brk back on. At least now I have something to read and ponder about this weekend. I think you should do late match reviews for the last match before brk. It will be great.

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{Ed001's Note - that's not a bad idea actually. Gives me something to do too.}

10 Oct 2018 18:56:14
Good review Ed thanks v much. Was it a better match second time round? Completely agree Hendo was our best player. He’s going to have to be the engine whilst Milner’s out.

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{Ed001's Note - worse second time as you could see how little either team really risked to go for a win.}

10 Oct 2018 18:57:51
Aguero never claimed a penalty. Lovren was close and serg fell due to upper body contact as much as anything else. Not a pen.

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10 Oct 2018 19:35:21
Great read, ed and I agree. Defenders should defend first and let the attacking players attack so Keita should not be covering Robbo. He be unleashed to drive at the heart of the defence. As for the Lov pen or no pen, I agree with MM. The ref may have thought that Aguero stumbled from the position he saw it from and since he never complained and just got on with it, the ref just kept the play moving.

Somehow like you Ed, I think Klopp should move the front 3 around a bit like play Salah at CF and Mane on the right, the position he played in his first season with us, just to give the oppo something else to worry about. I know Slah is getting closer and closer cos the chances are still coming and he just needs to calm down and take one of them as it seems he is snatching at things too much.

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10 Oct 2018 19:50:58
Harry, let me set things right. Actually you know TOO MUCH about football and the rest of us know nothing. And that, is where the problem is. 😉.

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10 Oct 2018 20:09:45
😄😄 Apparently it’s the other way around. They are just not convinced that I watch a lot of games outside the PL. This kieta lad was once called a similar to Lallana type here 😂😂.

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10 Oct 2018 22:25:47
Harry, I doubt you watch as much football as you think you do outside of the PL. Cos if you did you would either know that Kroos, Pirlo, and Fabregas are/ were NEVER true DM's like you posted recently OR you would know that Atletico play a variation of the high press, something you claimed just yesterday that you had "never, ever" (your exact words) seen them do.

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10 Oct 2018 22:29:01
If only you actually learned something from watching all of that football 😎.

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11 Oct 2018 00:11:53
Thanks for the review Ed001, I agree with everything you said actually, including your MOM choice. Hendo was absolutely brilliant. Ran his socks off and was always looking out for the first time ball forward but avoided playing them unless the odds were right. Gini was pretty good at retaining possession especially under pressure, but for some reason declined to take the opportunities to play the ball more quickly, choosing those precise moments to slow the game down. Occasionally fabulous; often frustrating.

As it was my first time at Anfield it was very disappointing not to see Liverpool score, but thankfully neither did City. Mahrez’s penalty miss was celebrated like a goal though so that was enjoyable. I have to say Mahrez did produce some absolute moments of magic in the game, though they have been overlooked by the media due to his penalty.

Hopefully the next time I am able to visit Anfield it will be a more open match!

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{Ed001's Note - at least you didn't see a loss mate. The first time I went as a kid we lost and I wasn't allowed any food when we got in as my uncles decided I must be a Jonah. That was the one time I was glad some of the family were Evertonians as they were sneaking me food all night!}

11 Oct 2018 10:02:28
BRover

And where did i claim they are a DM? It was a reply to your argument of “ Hendo is the best DM” at the club! No he is not! In fact he is not even close to a DM.
Hendo is a an Eric dier who scream and shout at others and hides away from brining the ball out from the back.
Do you agree there is a difference between Mascherano and. Alonso? Both sat infront of the back 4 apparently.

Atletico plays a deep defensive football under Simeone. You could ask the manager itself. They had the least amount of possession in the league against all opposition from years.

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11 Oct 2018 15:48:14
Thats hilarious Ed! Yes I was very relieved that the penalty was missed. I might not have dared to go back to Anfield in case I jinxed the next result!

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{Ed001's Note - it is not quite as hilarious as Harry's ridiculous assessments of Henderson though.}

10 Oct 2018 09:20:42
What’s everyone’s thoughts on Ronald Koemans comments saying VVD cann seem a bit too laid back.

I know he was a bit last season but I do think it’s harsh of him to say that as he has got much better this season.

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10 Oct 2018 09:36:07
As much as I would like to dismiss koemans comment as he has failed at most clubs he's been manager of, Ed 1 did hint earlier this year that VVD can be a bit laid back and rely on his speed to get him out of trouble at times so he foes have it in his game. In fairness I can see the point being made but his mistakes are few and far between and I believe he is more focused these days and it was refreshing at the weekend to hear a player admit it was a definite penalty and a stupid mistake on his part. You can only learn from your mistakes if you first admit to them.

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10 Oct 2018 09:48:38
He must be watching a different player to me if he's saying stuff like that mate.

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10 Oct 2018 10:26:32
VVD is the best defender in the league and there is no second opinion. Koeman was managing dross at Everton and he is not even a half decent manager to judge VVD in the first place!

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10 Oct 2018 10:28:41
There were certain moments like that last season though as the season went on, he improved. I think he’s become a special player with a good attitude. I also think he might get better.

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10 Oct 2018 10:30:59
It's funny that Koeman is saying that, because if I remember correctly, he was exactly the same as a player. Not necessarily as laid back as VVD, but always appeared to be slow and methodical in movement. I agree VVD's speed (those long strides) does bail him out often, but then it's part of his skill set. Live with it.

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{Ed001's Note - why live with it? The start of this season has shown how much better he is when he is not laid back and against Napoli he showed how poor he is when he is laid back. He needs to be told and to keep him playing like he started the season, rather than like he did against Napoli.}

10 Oct 2018 10:31:58
He can definitely be too laid back and switch off sometimes, but with his physical and technical abilities, he usually manages to get out of any troubles he has caused himself. However, I do feel that he has improved on this aspect this season and has firmly established himself as one of the best defenders in the league, if not the world.

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10 Oct 2018 11:07:13
I think a number of clubs scouted him at Celtic and Arsenal reportedly chose not to sign him because of his "calm" manner.
If I could compare him to a boxer, I would say Roy Jones Jr. The physical abilities are there to cover his mistakes, but what happens when he there is a degradation of those abilities?

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10 Oct 2018 11:33:12
Rio Ferdinand was like that but still an excellent defender.

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10 Oct 2018 12:16:02
You know what they say about people in glass houses young Ronald 🤨.

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10 Oct 2018 14:05:19
I heard people in glass houses sink ships.

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10 Oct 2018 19:42:05
Why is everyone having a go at Koeman, exactly? Ed, myself and many others have been echoing the same thing for a year now about how too laid back VVD is. I don't care if the source of the comments are from Koeman or even Moyes cos it's not about who made them. The issue here is that are the comments credible and as much as people want to play the "What does he know? He managed poor defenders like Keane, Jags, and Ashley Williams"", what he said is correct.

Many of us said even before he signed that he has near NO weaknesses in his game BUT that he is a stroller on the pitch, too laid back and switches off fair few times. Koeman being a por manager does not remove from that truth even tho VVD is improving on these fronts. After all, two things can be correct at the same time.

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10 Oct 2018 20:14:19
BRover
You must be the only one complaining about VVD. Put him in the market you ll see a host of clubs including Barca, City, UTD and everyone in Europe after him for “ Name your price “. He is a leader, A captain and arguably the best ball playing defender in mainland Europe!
When he has a bad game, the entire team has a bad game. Look at the improvement on Gomez!

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10 Oct 2018 20:42:41
BRover - You May agree with Koeman but that does not make him factually correct, I think Kidman is wrong and his comments smack of rank hypocrisy as he was one of the most unfocused defenders of his generation.

He got away with being a poor defender (ask Graham Taylor RIP) by being devastating at free kicks (ask GT)

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10 Oct 2018 22:34:08
Ron, here is where you are wrong. First off, this is not about facts. It's about opinions. Now, Koeman never compared himself to VVD except if I missed that. You and many others did, which has NOTHING to do with the debate. There is nothing hypocritical about what he said. He gave an opinion that many of us here (myself, MK Scouser and Ed01) STILL share and this, WAY before he signed here so cos Koeman said it means NOTHING and does not mean he is wrong.

You can say a player was poor AND still say he gave a good assessment of another player currently playing in the position said player played in. It's called "nuance". This is not about Koeman or his playing career. This is about an inherent flaw in VVD's game that is salient and has been before he even signed here.

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10 Oct 2018 22:39:53
Harry, none of what you say is true. Before VVD signed for us, myself, MK Scouser, Ed01 and many others, raised the very issue) (s) that Koeman raised about VVD's game WAY before we signed him so you are patently false in saying I am the only one who has this opinion. Hence, all the other stuff you posted has NOTHING to do with VVD's inherent flaws, as if spending 75m on a player makes his flaws automatically go away. "When he has a bad game, everyone has a bad game". Again, patently false. VVD was crap vs Leicester this season (Gomez outplayed him and bailed him out a couple of times) and we still won so clearly again, a tonne of hot air in your posts. You prolly want to watch the games with your eyes and mind open and alert before making such blanket and baseless statements.

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11 Oct 2018 06:46:37
I seem to remember certain posters also had scathing opinions of Robertson and Shaquiri before they played for us too. Your opinions are no more valid than mine or Harry’s.

Koeman is a hypocrit, he was very poor at concentrating. I don’t care how good/ poor a manager he is, his comments are hypocritical.

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11 Oct 2018 10:03:51
If he is a poor player then we should sell him.

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11 Oct 2018 11:02:56
I think Koeman needs to chill out. But I also think that peno should wake Virgil up a bit going forward.

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11 Oct 2018 19:45:54
Ron, you seem to be deflecting for no reason. You seem to want to attack Koeman personally and football-wise instead of listening to what he actually said, which many of us said he has even before he signed for us. In terms of a career, VVD will do well to have the type of career Koeman had with the trophies to boot (poor player or not) so there's that. Also, I see that you conveniently bypassed that point and failed to address it. No prob, I would deflect too if I could not address the main point of a debate.

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11 Oct 2018 19:46:42
Harry, do you even read? Who said VVD is poor and should be sold? Nobody said so. So us pointing out his flaws means he is a poor player and needs to be sold? Again, do you even read what people post? VVD has his flaws and needs to improve in certain areas or do you think he is perfect?

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10 Oct 2018 07:47:59
Morning Ed001 good read as always mate. Here I just saw that you have a dodgy back, thought I told you ages ago to get rid of that Karma Sutra book😁.

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{Ed001's Note - chance would be a fine thing mate!}

10 Oct 2018 09:28:33
Classic from Barry
🤣🤣🤣🤣.

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10 Oct 2018 09:59:15
Lol Barry, love it mate.

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10 Oct 2018 10:23:45
Get rid of it? I heard 001 was writing the second edition. Forward written by 025 of course.

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10 Oct 2018 10:29:26
You know Barry, some of those positions are quite good for loosening the old joints (I’ve heard)

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10 Oct 2018 10:32:47
Some regular yoga and stretching exercises will solve the problem. Keyboard warriors (like most of us) will always have this problem.

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{Ed001's Note - I have had it since I was 11 mate, hurt it playing rugby at school and have had a recurring problem ever since. I do stretch regularly and usually a stretch will sort it out when it happens. The problem is that it came on late at night after the Man City game and I was just going to bed and so didn't stretch it out. Woke up in the morning and it was too late to stretch it away and it was too tight to move to stretch. It is starting to loosen up now and I can actually sit down for short periods now, so it is getting there. Just have to gently stretch it away. This is what comes of putting the smallest kid (me) up against a kid who had a growth hormone disorder and was well over 6ft and about 18st of pure brute force.}

10 Oct 2018 12:16:03
I can see it now Ed:Jamie Doran stars as Ed001 in"Fifty Shades of Red"😁.

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{Ed001's Note - I am sure that will mean something to others but I am lost.}

10 Oct 2018 13:08:34
Im lost too! don't worry Barry mate me and Ed are older than grass, I guess your comment is something modern! I try to keep up with times but they move too damn quick! Lol hope you're well mate.

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10 Oct 2018 13:12:41
Instead of the book/ film"Fifty Shades of Grey"about this man with deep passion for S&M Ed001.

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{Ed001's Note - personally I prefer M&Ms.}

10 Oct 2018 15:36:26
6ft and 18st at 11? Was he born on krypton?

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{Ed001's Note - he was a monster.}

10 Oct 2018 16:21:04
Not to worry lad's, respect to all 👍.

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10 Oct 2018 16:43:48
That's bad, Ed001. I know all about it. Back problems are the most painful of all body pains. It's sheer agony at times. My Father has two dislodged vertebrae in the lower back that were fused together (car he was in fell off a bridge in an accident), and I have two perpetually slipped discs opposite each other (courtesy those damned vibrating machines you see in the gym; instead of stimulating muscles, bone parts got dislodged) . I was prescribed yoga and stretching, and also to make sure the stomach in front never got bigger than a certain point because the extra weight would make things worse. Things are fine, but when it rains, or when it's humid (I travel a lot in tropical Asian countries) then it's hell. I'm told the hot weather (like Dubai) is better for back problems than the cold variety.

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{Ed001's Note - it is mate, it helps a great deal. You might want to consider it yourself.}

10 Oct 2018 18:02:22
This thread has become deliciously salacious 🤣🤣🤣.

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10 Oct 2018 19:56:27
Some of you guys need 50 Shades of Mind Cleansing. 😉.

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{Ed001's Note - I obviously don't as my first thought when I read S&M was to misread it as Marks&Sparks. I was very disappointed in myself, I must be getting old!}

10 Oct 2018 20:46:19
True Ed ;) . lol :) hope you've had a good day mate, mine isn't going well at all! one of them and I'm now realising why I have no hair but we move on!

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{Ed001's Note - I tore mine out years ago when Harry first started posting...}

Review Of The Day 10th October 2018

10 Oct 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 10th October 2018

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10 Oct 2018 07:51:14
Morning Ed, cheers mate, hope the back is better than yesterday mate!

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{Ed001's Note - much better now mate thanks.}

10 Oct 2018 08:04:31
Morning Ed, old bean,
Or should that be has- been, hows the back?
Can we find a nice cul-de-sac in Liverpool, and name it after Sadio Mane? 😁.

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{Ed001's Note - hahaha, or never-has-been? It is much better today thanks mate.

Should have done that with McManaman as he was always running into them on the pitch....}

10 Oct 2018 08:06:13
Cheers Ed001, nice morning read.

I'd forgotten Stephen Ireland even existed, I hope his grandparents are in good health.

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{Ed001's Note - I assumed he had retired to take care of them....}

10 Oct 2018 08:14:18
Thanks Ed01. I'm sure this is the first time I read that a club gave negative statement about a coach they just sacked. They even described him as a terrible coach. Wow!

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{Ed001's Note - the guy who appointed him described him as that. Doesn't say a lot for him if he is choosing a terrible coach!}

10 Oct 2018 08:25:39
Thanks Ed. Funny how Malaga named a roundabout after Pellegrini, I thought they had progressed under him, not go round in circles. lol. Do you rate him as a manager Ed? He seems a very likable guy and starting to get results for West Ham after a slow start.

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{Ed001's Note - he is a very good coach, at the West Ham type of level, where he will get decent results from a team but is not expected to dominate and win things. At Man City he was never the right choice.}

10 Oct 2018 08:30:17
You’ve got to love the Italian passion! We never get such bluntness in England. Appreciated as always ed.

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10 Oct 2018 08:43:06
He really went to town on Ballardini didn’t he?! No need in my opinion. Sack him if you want but don’t ruin the guy’s career at the same time. Good luck to him getting another job after that glowing reference.

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10 Oct 2018 08:46:44
Thanks Ed! Hope your back is on the mend mate.

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{Ed001's Note - thank you mate much better.}

10 Oct 2018 09:20:48
Glad to hear that Ed mate, looking forward to the new articles :) .

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{Ed001's Note - I am just hoping to get the match review finished now!}

10 Oct 2018 09:36:03
Get well soon ED01
At least you will have 2 weeks worth of rest hopefully since it the international drivels are on.
Take care.

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{Ed001's Note - that is the plan mate, cheers.}

10 Oct 2018 10:12:05
Thanks Ed nice one. Can't believe Stephen Ireland is only 32. Seems to have been around for decades. If you'd said 42 I'd believed you. Again I think the international break has come at a good time for us. But it's a complete draaaaag.

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{Ed001's Note - I was surprised and had to triple check that was correct. He looks almost as old as Ed025.}

10 Oct 2018 10:31:33
Cheers for that ed, much appreciated. That is insane about the Italian statement. I wonder can he sue him for defamation of character for future employment? Going to be that little bit more difficult to get a job after that tirade.

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10 Oct 2018 10:47:00
glad to hear that you are on the mend Ed. Have a great day.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate. I will try.}

10 Oct 2018 01:22:20
Are we missing Emre Can a little bit this season? Not sure if we are, but just thought I'd ask the question. he did have some good moments last season?

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10 Oct 2018 06:10:14
It's a good point red Jim. Maybe we are a bit. He was a creative player as well as a defensive player. Probably the guy who got most goals from midfield bar coutinio.

I think fab is the equal and Keita better but they aren't settled the way Can was with us last season. Got to admit, I'd totally forgotten about him. Hope he is playing in turin.

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10 Oct 2018 07:58:53
Good question actually RJ.
My opinion is that we’re not - at present.
Keita’s an upgrade definitely, even though he’s not totally settled in as yet, and the other midfielders have played well, on the whole, so far.

But Fabinho will be the one to compare Can with.
What very little we’ve seen of him, you’d have to conclude that he doesn’t seem an appreciable improvement on Can at all?
It’s very early days though, but this will be an interesting subject to ponder on as the season progresses.

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10 Oct 2018 09:01:11
I must have missed the part where we won 6 and drew 2 of our opening 8 games with Can. Those draws were away to Chelsea and against the defending champs, nothing to see here right now.

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10 Oct 2018 10:22:04
Him along with AOC had the most number of goals from midfield last season. 3 each.

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10 Oct 2018 22:20:15
87red, I must have missed that part as well cos all some people want to dwell on is the games we did not win despite us having the WORST schedule of late, of every team in the division. Before the season started, all we all wanted to do is to be on City's coat tails in the table BUT you would not know it with the way people are moaning on here.

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10 Oct 2018 23:57:51
Not everything is a moan, sometimes a question is just that, a question. What's the point in having a thought at all, just keep my thoughts to myself I suppose. FYI, I'm delighted with how the season is going.

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11 Oct 2018 19:48:48
RedJim, I was not referring to your question. I was referring to 87red's post. I'm sure you can tell the difference.

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09 Oct 2018 23:21:35
I don’t know whether this has been touched on before but has anyone else noticed how many chances we’ve conceded after Salah has lost possession?
I can think of 3 big chances off the top of my head, PSG 2nd goal, Hazard going clean through (Alisson saves) and City’s penalty on Sunday.
Any thoughts on why this is or is it purely coincidence? We give up so little chances these days that it just seems to stand out as a bit of a pattern emerging.
I’m not bashing Salah by the way I actually think he’s largely played well.

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10 Oct 2018 02:12:55
Rubbish, the chance against Chelsea was Salah conceding a free kick in the Chelsea half, it’s not his fault that the rest of the team switched off. For the City penalty Salah was tacked in the opposition half, that happens, it’s called football. The only error he has made is for the second PSG goal.

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10 Oct 2018 04:21:48
For the City pen - in my book Fernandinho fouled him anyways so can’t put the blame at Salah’s feet.

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10 Oct 2018 08:30:12
I knew this would happen. People are so precious.
I’m not blaming anyone I’m asking if he’s doing anything different. The Chelsea and City ones are because he’s got his back to goal when receiving the ball and the defender has managed to Nick the ball before him. This is happening a lot this season and I don’t remember it happening at all last season.
Just asking if people think he’s playing differently or is he being played differently?
Last season I’d have loved defenders to get tight as he’d just humiliate them. This season they are nicking the ball.

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10 Oct 2018 10:27:00
Can’t believe even Bobby is getting sick for asking a question lol 😂 😂😂😂.

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10 Oct 2018 12:11:52
The only things I can think of that he is doing different are:

1) not putting the ball in the back of the net
2) missing simple passes.

I don’t know the reason for it but he’s lucky to keep getting selected.

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10 Oct 2018 19:49:42
OP, seems like you are looking for a scapegoat. Salah lost the ball vs PSG and the goal happened and that is it. Clearly, he is the only one that has ever done that before. How many back passes did Gerrard make that led to goals? Exactly. Please, let's not start singling him out for the reasons we concede (which are baseless) while also being the reason we don't score. That is just plain senselessness. We all want Salah to do well BUT sticking the boot in when he's down with baseless innuendo is appalling, IMO.

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10 Oct 2018 19:51:38
Ron, There is nothing surprising about Salah being continuously selected. Salah keeps getting picked cos a) he has earned the right to play and for the manager and us to persevere with him in his difficult times. b) He is still getting into good positions, getting chances and still doing his defensive work hence, there is reason to persevere with him and c) We may not be winning a PL title w/ o Salah BUT we definitely will not be winning one W/ O him. He has the trust of the coaching staff and his team mates so expect him to keep getting selected PROVIDED he keeps doing the things I mentioned above. Again, Nothing surprising about that, bro.

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10 Oct 2018 20:35:46
BRover you’ve completely misinterpreted what I said. I was not blaming him for anything just pointing out something I’ve noticed and asking for people’s thoughts.
No one is looking for a scapegoat, why would we need one? We are top of the bloody league!
Salah is a brilliant player I love the guy but he has been losing the ball particularly with a defender tight to his backside. Perhaps he’s worried about using that arm to hold them off?
Anyway it was certainly not an innuendo or criticism so get off your high horse mate.

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10 Oct 2018 20:45:18
I said he is “lucky” to keep getting selected. He is living off last season’s remarkable form. I’m surprised Klopp doesn’t rest him, he’s not right and a title winning side has no place for passengers.

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09 Oct 2018 19:15:46
Hats off to Sebastian Coates. Top man.

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09 Oct 2018 22:06:51
Wow heroic stuff from Coates. Just looked up the footage after seeing your post. Not all heroes wear capes.

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09 Oct 2018 14:14:56
Someone quoted beefy yesterday, saying form is temporary, class is permanent. The player, for me, that that rings true for, is Danny sturridge.

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09 Oct 2018 15:43:43
Naby Kieta! Hands down permanent skill set!

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09 Oct 2018 18:25:55
D-Studge for me, MM. No doubt. He is naturally gifted and the most natural finisher in England right now. Check his goals vs Seville in the EL final or vs Chelsea in both games esp. in the PL game and judge for yourself. Harry Kane is not a patch on him, talent wise. He is the type of finisher Harry Kane wishes he was cos Kane seems to try a bit too hard to score and tends to force things (like shamelessly claiming a goal he definitely did not score) while Studge makes it look easy.

Harry, I humbly disagree. Naby has not proven his worth the same way Studge has BUT he has all the tools necessary to do that.

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09 Oct 2018 21:02:04
I'm not that worried about Keita. I belive we have seen a touch of his class and I think it's pretty clear that he has the ability to be immense in this league. He will find his feet and in 5 years we will be saying this about naby.

Danny has suffered with injury, so much that his career had almost started to fade to obscurity but he has shown his class over this tough gun. His goal at Chelsea means we are joint top. Most players, barring van diike and alisson have been out of form and danny has really helped us through this tough run. That goal at Chelsea could be massive for us, it was worth 2 points in a sense as Chelsea are a rival and we nicked them from them.

He is back in the England squad, I think he will play a big part this season.

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09 Oct 2018 22:42:19
Naby proved every penny in Germany before his move. I have tracked him from 2 good years even before people started noticing him. Not seen another creator like him in a long time. And this me saying highly about one of our player lol.
I love Sturridge. My own Robbie Fowler. His short backlift gives keeper less chance to cover is his trademark. But kieta is one of the best signing for any club! He is bloody awesome! He is the younger version of Mousa dembele plus goals! And that’s extraordinary.

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09 Oct 2018 23:09:37
He is not in Germany now Harry. He is in England and he needs to show what he can do, which I'm sure he will but he hasn't yet.

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10 Oct 2018 00:20:00
Who's hacked Harry's account?

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10 Oct 2018 12:12:58
For DS it should read “fitness is temporary”.

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09 Oct 2018 09:27:41
Sad times Jimmy’s injured!

I feel like this is the moment we bring in Fabinho next too games, hopefully shouldn’t be too difficult and get him valuable minutes.

Same goes for Keita, clearly not quite clicking for him he needs to have a game or two with a bit more space then usual to get his rhythm.

I hope Shaqiri is given a chance as an ACM role as it has shown we need someone in that role exploiting the space between defence and midfield.

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09 Oct 2018 11:38:05
Milly is a fit lad. but a month (at least, according to reports) on sidelines from a hammie might help Fab and Nobby to gain valuable first team experience as you say.

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09 Oct 2018 13:25:57
Or the mentor steps down and the pupil (trent) steps up. Shaq is not defence minded enough to play in a midfield three.

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09 Oct 2018 13:38:04
Mane man, I had no assumption he is a defensive player I think for lower level teams having a fluid 3 which works on a 2 man base and one pushing forward helps to break teams down.

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09 Oct 2018 14:02:21
Fair enough SR. I like shaq, since he has joined he has played well when called upon. And scored a winning over head kick against. Wait for it. Utd! I was shocked when klopp subbed him in the shampton game, but I understand why he did it. Shaq had helped us into a dominating position and klopp wanted to make sure it stayed that way.

I think shaq has more chance breaking into that front 3 atm.

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09 Oct 2018 14:02:21
Fair enough SR. I like shaq, since he has joined he has played well when called upon. And scored a winning over head kick against. Wait for it. Utd! I was shocked when klopp subbed him in the shampton game, but I understand why he did it. Shaq had helped us into a dominating position and klopp wanted to make sure it stayed that way.

I think shaq has more chance breaking into that front 3 atm.

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09 Oct 2018 15:04:48
I'm expecting fabhino to become massive. I really think he is going to take this league by storm. I don't know why. I notice something in him, a strength of character that I think will come through to his play. After the next window he won't be considered the new lad anymore and I think him and Keita will kick on from that.

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09 Oct 2018 15:38:01
That is a good wish, I expect Kieta - hendo and Wiji to play the midfield. Shaq still on the bench.

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09 Oct 2018 15:44:09
What if we had signed Fekir instead? He too is a playmaker and the argument “ He doesn’t work hard to play in the midfield “ would still stand?
At home you don’t need 3 Workman midfield! Nobody is coming to us that we need a 3 men walk in the middle.

We need more goals!
City decided to sit back and contain us and what did the 3 men hard working midfielders did in return? Nothing really!

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09 Oct 2018 16:35:12
I would argue their midfield 3 did nothing also though Harry. The 2 Silvas were largely anonymous and Fernandinho should’ve had about 4 yellow cards.

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09 Oct 2018 16:35:12
I would argue their midfield 3 did nothing also though Harry. The 2 Silvas were largely anonymous and Fernandinho should’ve had about 4 yellow cards.

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09 Oct 2018 17:04:38
If salah had passed wjinaldum would have scored.

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09 Oct 2018 17:44:51
Also Harry if we’d signed Fekir we’d now have a very expensive injured player.

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09 Oct 2018 18:28:37
20 points 8 games we are flying especially after that run of games.

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09 Oct 2018 18:32:37
Fekir is a very hardworking player out of possession so I don't think he would have had a problem with that. He also has dodgy knees BUT feel free to moan cos Klopp did not do what you wanted. Shaq has a tendency for being lazy out of possession (that was his main issue at Stoke) and the system we play requires ALL midfielders to do the job, with or w/ o the ball. Shaq is not ready to play the 10 the way Cou and Ox played it as in, with skill, guile, and superb work ethic esp. out of possession.

Until Shaq can do that and earn Klopp's trust in that way, he will continue to start on the bench. The Saint s game is your example if you are actually being honest. So if people have issues with Shaq not starting, they should direct their grief to Shaq, and not Klopp. It is up to him to earn Klopp's trust, the same way Ox did.

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09 Oct 2018 21:28:34
The way i see it we have clamoured for a bigger squad with greater depth and quality, so while i’m gutted for Milner, i’m not phased about it one bit and i’m actually looking forward to seeing what the 3 midfielders we spent about £100 million on in the summer can do.

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09 Oct 2018 22:22:24
Spot on, AW. next man up and based on the squad we have and competition for places, Fab, Lallana and Naby should be chumping at the bit to get in the starting eleven now.

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09 Oct 2018 22:40:04
If and but Bobby? City came for a point and they got it. They are still top of the league and they knew a point is better than no point and 3 points to Liverpool. Now we might need all 3 points at Ethihad by the time we play them there.
No problem if you are ok with that 3 men workhorse midfield. A few have concerns including me! Let it be like that. It’s called perception and opinions!
Klopp chased Fekir all summer and was only inches away from signing him ( Money ) . So I guess he too is aware of the issues in midfield.
If not today we will buy one and then we can see the difference.

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09 Oct 2018 22:43:13
So Shaqiri doesn’t work hard to get into the midfield but does just enough to get into the front three? Wow! Now that’s what you call “Pure rubbish”.

The front three works more than anyone in our system. The press starts from the front which is why Sturridge never gets a nod!
So you are ok having a lazy player playing upfront and not in midfield.

Which trust are people talking here? He played brilliant against Southamton and suddenly the trust vanished!
Man some people make this site even more interesting!

And boy AOC never played a number 10. He is a direct player similar to kieta but less in terms of vision and close control. Purest form of number 10 is Mezut ozil!

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10 Oct 2018 06:15:06
The whole team works hard Harry, but none more than the midfield, or the "engine" of the team.

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10 Oct 2018 10:21:44
Some players have more defensive discipline than others, the front 3 do not have to have the same defensive discipline as the midfield 3, I don’t understand how this is a difficult to understand.

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10 Oct 2018 10:50:04
Kramer
It is difficult to understand coz we bought a player paying money to do a job and knew his capabilities, strength and weakness in well adavance.

There is no defensive discipline. We are counter pressing team and attack the opposition players when we lose the ball to turnover the possession resulting in our own attack with full pace either in our own half or high up.

Shaqiri could press and that is all you need from a CAM. He is no Makalele. He is a skilled player like your Fekir, Salah or Mane.

The team plays with 2 or more holding players resulting in very less chance created and goals scored. You could afford to drop one defensive minded midfielder for Shaqiri keeping both Wijnaldum / Henderson in the team.

I am pretty sure you will lose this argument if klopp pays him in the midfield against Huddersfield!

Shaqiri was never signed to start in the front three, if he doesn’t fit anywhere else then it’s a poor signing imo!

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10 Oct 2018 15:28:39
Playing in midfield against Huddersfield is different to playing in midfield against Manchester City.

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09 Oct 2018 08:46:17
Thank you very much for the review ed001

Good news about Lyle Foster. South Africa definetly need more players playing at a higher level.

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{Ed001's Note - it feels like a while since there were any top talents coming from there. What happened to stop the likes of Pienaar appearing?}

09 Oct 2018 09:15:53
I always wished Liverpool bought Tshabalala!

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09 Oct 2018 09:22:26
The country and its politics, the corruption in our Country has an impact on the state of our football. Our coaching is 10 years behind, when we try to create good playing environments it's destroyed by certain members of the public. South Africa doesn't care enough about sports to invest into football. There is no money in low level grass root football so good coaches cannot survive on the salaries. Like any industry its a lot about who you know and not what you know. There are many many factors here, if you not in an academy by 16 17 it's unlikely you'll make it.

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{Ed001's Note - I am surprised at that, normally corrupt regimes like to pump money into sports to distract the populace.}

09 Oct 2018 09:24:24
Pienaar's injuries took it's toll on him and as such he was unable to cope with club football and international football so he retired early from international football. I suspect there are other reasons, however.

There were high hopes for Rivaldo Coetzee but due to injuries it seems the end for him now.

Dolly it seems the hype has gone quiet on.

Ajax Cape Town's relegation also hasn't been ideal. They had a nice partnership with Ajax Amsterdam which was good for development.

Unfortunately things aren't looking up at all.

Strange as we have got it right with cricket and Rugby but have been on the decline with football.

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09 Oct 2018 09:41:26
True edd, our South African Government hasn't quite mastered the art of subtle sustainable corruption. We are more of a "bleed the country dry untill there is nothing left" type regime at the moment. I do find it amazing that countries in a similar economic state still churn out talent though.

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{Ed001's Note - usually that helps as youngsters have little to aim for bar sports.}

09 Oct 2018 10:01:09
Very true, I feel like we've lost our way a bit. My father used to tell me the English players used to play a bit of football in South Africa, Geoff Hurst, Bobby Moore to name a few. Apparently they played here in their off seasons and it would fill the stadiums.

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{Ed001's Note - they used to pay a lot of money to get them.}

09 Oct 2018 10:01:18
There are 2 South African premier league players however.

Percy Tau at Brighton but he is on loan in Belgium due to work permi issues

Andrew Surman at Bournemouth but he is not currently interested in playing international football.

Agree with Zepp regarding the politics. The interference is too strong.

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{Ed001's Note - does Surman count?}

09 Oct 2018 12:43:44
Great insight lads, I had no idea about this and made good reading.

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09 Oct 2018 13:28:52
V interesting. I'm surprised I've never noticed a lack of South African presence in international football. Had a world Cup 8 years ago of course. I'd always though you were a rugby nation.

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09 Oct 2018 15:42:13
We are very much a Rugby Cricket nation, but even that has taken a drop due to politics, government bodies dictating how many players of colour should be in the National teams etc, that causes a divide in the support. A lot of our country supports opposition countries since the Apartheid days, we are trying to right the wrongs of the past and the most notable way is to show the world how diverse our sports teams are. This comes at the cost of quality instead of fixing the racial issues at grass root levels. Sorry if this became political, you don't gave to post it edd.

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09 Oct 2018 18:36:29
Spot on, Zeppelin. I had high hopes for Theko Modise as well BUT he just fizzled out as well. I hope SA can come back strong football-wise and get the same type of players like they did in the past w/ MacCarthy, Fortune, Bartlett, Fish, Zuma or even legends like the great Theophilus "Doctor" Khumalo and John "Shoes" Moshoeu (I know, I'm showing my age here) .

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