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15 Jun 2018 19:43:16
Look I will support Karius if he stays and everyone loves a success story from zero to hero but it will have to be one hell of a turnaround for him to do it, which led me to write the following.

Money talks, this has been proven a number of times throughout history with teams perceived in less positions in comparison to the talent attracted i. e not in Champions League etc and this brings me to my point of people saying figures for these keepers are too high and they would rather stick than splash out.

Yes an argument can be made for that but the side of the fence I currently sit on is the keeper is an important member of the team, especially in our case with the attacking talent we have. If we spend a sizeable transfer fee for a keeper, which manages to bring us trophies, whether that be the League or Champions League, wouldn't that strengthen our position in persuading our top players to stay and in turn bring in more money and attract better players so that sizeable outlay would be justified in the potential, keyword potential success that they would bring?

We all complain when players leave in search of silverware at a new club but when we are on the brink of that with one or two additions in key area, we suddenly turn into accountants. I would say we are all in agreement that we have some special players at our club, really special players most notably Salah, Mane and Firmino, if we don't start winning trophies it won't be long before they leave for pastures new and would we begrudge them.

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15 Jun 2018 19:35:34
When Suarez left and we missed out on Sanchez, Shaqiri was my wish. Now it appears that is about to come true. He has pace and strength, and likes to take on defenders. Might need to work on having belief when things are not going his way, but if Klopp got Mane's character working for the team, why not Shaqiri.

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15 Jun 2018 19:48:32
Seriously?

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15 Jun 2018 20:46:33
X, that may be your opinion but it seems that you are trying to convince yourself more than the rest of us, that somehow Shaquiri is some boss player. IMO, he is NOT and NEVER was. Let's be honest here. If any of the top 6 were in for Shaquiri, would any LFC fan be scared? Mjority of them would be laughing at the top 6 team that got him cos we all know he is poor, lazy, out of shape and his attitude stinks. Now that he is coming here, many esp. on SM, are saying how boss a player he could be. Sorry, none of that is true. If Shaquiri comes, then I will support him BUT I hope it does not happen cos NOTHING in his time at Stoke shows he will good here esp. not his stinking attitude which for me, is paramount cos if your attitude is poor, your talent will never show.

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16 Jun 2018 08:58:39
The attitude of Mané (strike @RB, sulking @So'ton) and VVD prior to joining could be compared with Shaqiris. But if you decide to join a Klopp team that kind of behaviour must surely go. Gaffer won't abide, not for a second.

Shaqiri has got some talent and if he is willing to come to LFC and work his socks off for Klopp I can see the use for him.

Only thing that bothers me is that he will get in the way of Woodburn and Wilson. But then again- if they are going to gametime they will have to compete for it.

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15 Jun 2018 19:19:26
Tomorrow 16th of June our Facebook page will be live at a charity football match the Eds and Benny Baller have organised with the players being our web site posters. It's all in aid of Seva and Macmillan nurses. Kick off is 3pm!

The game will be streamed live on the facebook.com/footballrumours/ page.

The live chat at liverpool-rumours.co.uk/live/ will be open at 2pm

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15 Jun 2018 20:06:36
Thanks ed33, you should pin this to the top (if possible) to stop the 50thousand messages tomorrow asking were it’s being streamed xD.

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15 Jun 2018 21:24:53
Good luck tomorrow fellas. I’m working but I’ll try and catch bits and pieces on my breaks.

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15 Jun 2018 18:21:46
Eds where can I find the link for the stream of the charity match?

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15 Jun 2018 17:22:16
**** spellchecker should read drowned!

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15 Jun 2018 17:21:30
Was at a legends evening last night with Barnes molby and razor hilarious night some good tales especially the one of Rush down Wales meeting a load of journos but one was missing when he's asked about him he was told he had passed away the big c got him Rush responded he frowned then!
On a brighter note molby was talking of transfers said he didn't believe that klopp would be back in for fekir no new goalie as thinks klopp will stiiwith Marius but will make one more signing make of it what you will.

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15 Jun 2018 19:53:56
Ex players don’t know a lot of current events 🤝.

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16 Jun 2018 09:06:02
Good to hear our legends in fine form. Was listening to a podcast referring to the Merson-Gascoigne drinking game. Heap of cash on the table, some sleeping pills first and then booze. Last man awake takes the money. Some real darkness there.

Haven't heard such stuff about our golden oldies, hope and believe the club were/ are looking out for them.

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15 Jun 2018 13:59:14
Ed002. Tell us some good news. Still in England?

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{Ed002's Note - I won't be able to make it along this year Benny - but we can pencil in next year.}

15 Jun 2018 17:23:07
Ed002 I'm disappointed you can't make it, but I couldn't have gone either. I'm 39, broke my left knee twice and live in the far flung North East. However I was looking forward for the photos of you to confirm is Ed002 the he or she and if sparky wonder dog needed a lead or he walked you. I guess this will be another year of unanswered questions.

Baz.

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15 Jun 2018 17:28:47
Oh dear. Save travels edd2.

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15 Jun 2018 17:52:44
Not a problem mate. Still, thank you for the kit, it’s been a massive help.

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15 Jun 2018 15:11:38
What do we all think of cavani? Would anyone like to see him at Liverpool or does price and age take him out of the equation.

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15 Jun 2018 15:36:59
I've always thought we need a plan b, someone big we can lib the ball at in the tail end of games. I thought we might sign lorente last summer. People tell me solanke is that plan b but although he is quite tall I don't really class him as a "big man"

Whoever signs cavan however will do so so he can spearhead their attack, not as a ten minute plan b.

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15 Jun 2018 16:17:23
He is a good striker. No and Yes.

I don't think we need a plan b what we need is to make stronger our plan a with a better gk, if possible a new cb better than matip and lovren, a playmaker like coutinho and a player who can cover salah mane or firmino.

GK, CB, MF, FW.

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15 Jun 2018 17:03:37
No but a player I've rated for a while would be the goal scorer in the final minutes. Top class defenders the athletico pair.

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15 Jun 2018 14:43:14
Egypts goalie is having a great game hahah.

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15 Jun 2018 16:20:55
Motm imo.

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15 Jun 2018 20:00:36
Is that a little hint at you wanting him bobby? ;)

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17 Jun 2018 10:45:13
No don’t buy people on the back of the World Cup end up with diouf and diao.

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15 Jun 2018 13:50:21
So Alisson is unlikely, as is Oblak. Butland is supposedly not good enough and neither is Navas. Karius, Mignolet and Ward are gone if you believe all and sundry.

So, my fickle fellows, has anybody got any suggestions for who they would like to see arriving to play in goal, names above notwithstanding? Bonus points for originality.

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15 Jun 2018 13:54:47
Werder Bremen goal keeper Jiri Pavlenka. Young tall and solid.

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15 Jun 2018 13:56:03
The clear answer here is the winning teams Goalkeeper from the charity match.

Im pretty sure Klopp will be watching the stream.

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15 Jun 2018 14:01:41
Plenty of goalkeepers out there to be looked at but Klopps style seems to be to wait for what he deems is the right one.

Donnaruma still for me personally but can't see it.

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15 Jun 2018 14:13:14
De Gea.

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15 Jun 2018 14:13:27
I think we could very well end up signing Butland and Navas. The fans will just have to get over it.

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15 Jun 2018 14:13:44
I’ll give it a punt. I’ll even do it for only £10k a week, so we can spend wages elsewhere! 😂.

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15 Jun 2018 14:19:20
Why fickle?

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15 Jun 2018 14:38:54
Rui Patricio anyone, free transfer now, international goalkeeper.

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15 Jun 2018 14:44:18
I think Butland will arrive, and I believe Klopp will bring the best in him. But why not test the water with Courtois from Chelsea? What s the worst that can happen? Chelsea or the player turns us down. Worth looking into I think.

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15 Jun 2018 15:00:01
Would never happen but Handanovic has been consistently excellent.

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15 Jun 2018 15:05:29
I’d love Buffon for a year personally and keep Karius as no2. I know it won’t happen but it’s be a good option where maybe next year we could afford a blow out on an Oblak.

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15 Jun 2018 15:05:52
Some football fans are philosophical at all times, some fans are death threat mongers. People en mass are stupid and illogical of thought. Just like society in general, football fans are negative and fickle.

On the subject of Liverpool's goalkeeping situation there is no consistency. Various people would back Karius, but really want to sign a perceived world class 'keeper. Some people want to see the back of Karius and would take Navas and Butland in a beat if it meant he was shown the door. Others don't want to touch them with a barge pole, just like they wouldn't have with Oxlade Chamberlain, Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum etc (the list goes on), so would rather stick with Karius even though they don't really want him. That's why fickle, Adam.

Also, I'm not interested who we will sign. I asked if people had suggestions of any alternatives, mainly as a way to hear some other names of 'keepers to look out for. For example, I really like the look of Dubravka and I think Newcastle may have got a bit of a diamond there, even if he is nearly 30. Of all the teams in the world, are there really only 5 or 6 goalkeepers that would suit us out of the ones we could actually sign?

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15 Jun 2018 15:13:36
Would absolutely love courtois at lfc, but simple fact is he has his own family still living in Spain and understandably wants to go there to be with them. Never happening ever, but man in a dream scenario with him in goal, we'd win the lge.
On a side note, I'm youtubing john barnes lfc goals. what a player. My favourite of that era and priceless if he was playing today. Better than salah, cr7 imho.

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15 Jun 2018 15:39:48
Make a health by bid for loris from spurs. Spurs like to sell if the price is right and I think loris is underapreciated.

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15 Jun 2018 16:22:10
Navas is no better than what we already have. Navas in particular is not worth considering as his positioning, judgment and ability to deal with crosses is shocking, the man has been thieving a living at Madrid and at 31 he is not going to be getting better. Even Madrid see him as a weak link, they were that desperate to get shot of him they offered him to the mancs after his first season. Whoever buys him is buying a dud. I’d rather we stood by Karius and supported him than waste money on any of Navas, Cillessen, Pope or Butland.

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15 Jun 2018 16:23:06
If we can't get a goalkeeper the quality of an Oblak, which i cannot see happening, or Allison which the eds have said isn't happening then id be happy to stick with Karius and bring in Butland and have them fight for the no.1 jersey. I must say that i really liked Karius and let's be fair, he hasn't really put a foot wrong (CL final aside, which was more down to a concussion than his gk ability, personally i also feel the medical staff and refs should shoulder the blame for not spotting he had indeed a concussion) since been given the goalkeeping position permanently, our defence improved dramatically, having VVD in front really helped with that, but i think we had the 2nd best defence in the league stats wise from January if i remember correctly.

I would love to see him prove all the doubters and some of our "fans" wrong, i use the quotation marks in response to the fans who have sent him death threats which is not the liverpool way, we used to get behind our players even if they did wrong. I always felt that Karius has the ability to be world class but he needs support.

Id like to sign Butland if we don't get a top class keeper, i feel he would add quality and knowledge of the Premier League and i hope he has a good WC even as an irishman who may not want England to win the tournament i hope he can have a good tournament and join us then.

But end of the day, we need to trust in Klopp, he has a good track record for the signings he has made. I would say 90% of the signings he has made have been successful. Just because we don't sign a player that has a rating of 99 on Fifa doesn't mean he won't be a good signing.

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15 Jun 2018 16:20:11
Loris is well out of form the last few seasons. I am a big fan of his but he isn't the answer for us.

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15 Jun 2018 16:24:47
I’d be happy with Karius as a punt for one more season. Let him prove his metal. Still a strong believer that Reina would be a great coaching/ no2.

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15 Jun 2018 17:26:53
I know it's very rare Walter mate lol but I agree!

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15 Jun 2018 17:41:56
David harewood.

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15 Jun 2018 19:48:19
Klopp can’t afford a punt on Karius this season.

Fail to win anything will not be forgiven by the owners.

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15 Jun 2018 20:33:28
If we start winning stuff it is more likely that our Stella players will stick around. The fact that we don't win stuff is one of the reasons that two of our best players went to barca.

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17 Jun 2018 15:11:11
Barzdo I seen what you’re saying but what you’ve just described is not fickle, that’s people having different opinions. Fickle is the same fans constantly changing their opinions to the beat of the drum. You’re describing different fans having different opinions?

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