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25 May 2016 09:00:19
Ed1,
You keep mentioning how everyone is up for sale, could you enlighten us on who is attracting interest and might leave the club, then? I. e. If Sturridge is available I'd be surprised if there isn't serious interest, despite his injury record.
Also, could you put my mind at ease and tell me Emre Can and Divock AREN'T available as those two, I feel, are two potential parts of a great spine in te team for years to come.

toddythered

{Ed001's Note - look everyone will attract some interest, but we aren't just throwing people out of the door on a free. They will only be for sale if the right amount is offered. Yes I do include Origi and Can, though I don't expect anyone to come near the asking price and both are players that Klopp would not want to lose. The most likely to leave right now, other than Canos, is Coutinho. Though I am not sure he is going to have the offers he is hoping for and so it might not be as straightforward as he thinks.}


1.) 25 May 2016 09:20:47
Thanks Ed1
I know you don't like talking money, but would we be wanting more, less or roughly the same as we got for Sterling for him?

{Ed001's Note - more.}


2.) 25 May 2016 09:27:11
Do you think Spurs could take a interest in Coutinho Ed? Pocchettinho having him on loan in Spain and didn't he want him at Southampton?

{Ed001's Note - I am quite sure Poch would like him, but not so sure they would want to spend that kind of money when they need a striker more than anything.}


3.) 25 May 2016 09:43:24
I'd assume the move he craves is to Madrid or Barcelona and as much as I like him I don't think he's consistent enough for them to consider paying that kind of money which in my eyes means he'll either stay or the 2 mentioned above will begin their usual media assault in an attempt to get him to force the issue and possibly bring the price down.
We've lost a top name every summer for a while now chaps, get used to it!
Although I had hoped Klopp might stem the tide in that respect?!


4.) 25 May 2016 09:58:23
Ed1 I know that percentages haven't been given more a while on this site for a while but would you mind guessing the likelihood that Coutinho will leave? Is 50/ 50 about right?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - it would be a pure guess to put percentages right now. As things stand I would guess at that, he wants to go for Champions League football, so the only real opposition is the asking price.}


5.) 25 May 2016 10:11:37
My concern is if we lose Coutinho, Firmino is not far behind.


6.) 25 May 2016 10:52:42
Not great news ed. Just come on here for a look and youve explained situation with him. Hope he stays. Big void to fill if he moves on.


7.) 25 May 2016 11:26:29
I think a bigger worry than the 2 Spanish Giants would be psg, they have all the money in the world and tend to get whoever they want.


8.) 25 May 2016 11:50:36
Coutinho is a great player. But the thought of him leaving doesn't leave me awake at night.


9.) 25 May 2016 12:52:29
I understand ever player has ther price and that we could lose some of our top players which is fine if we are willing to replace them. In your opinion are fsg willing to shell out the money to keep us up with the top 4 or are we just dreaming.

{Ed002's Note - FSG have been trying to buy the Premier League title since they arrived.}


10.) 25 May 2016 14:57:20
I think coutinho is a good player, and i like watching him play, but seriously he is not imo world class. He could be for sure but for me a world class player doesn't just have some good games in between some really average ones.
He had great talent but over plays far too much. Often opting the wrong choice to pass when he should shoot and far too often shooting when he should pass.

like i said i like him and glad he's with us but for the right price i do not think it would be the end of the world.


11.) 25 May 2016 15:44:55
I'd have to disagree, it is a big issue if he goes, one of those very few players in our squad who can produce the kind of goal out of nowhere that changes a match. Only hope is if Klopp can show him plans for who to bring in, serious challenge for title, etc and Coutinho is young enough to get years.


12.) 25 May 2016 17:48:05
While coutinho may not be that consistent, no matter how much money we get for him, there is no chance we are in the position to replace him. He is getting better and who could we sign that is as good, still young enough and would come to us with no Europe.


 

 

29 Jan 2016 11:15:58
Go on ed2,
Please could you enlighten us mortals with a much-appreciated summary?

toddythered

{Ed002's Note - Of course, you should have mentioned it:

I don’t have the time to do a full update but here is some food for thought regarding players that Liverpool has been looking at but have probably not been mentioned too much before:

Left Back: Koybasi - Out of contract in the summer, Besiktas' Ismail Koybasi is attracting the attention of Valencia and has been watched by Empoli, Shakhtar Donetsk and Dinamo Kiev. There is an unconfirmed suggestion by the player's representative that Manchester United and Liverpool are also interested in him. Guerreiro remains the more likely option for Liverpool to at some point concentrate their efforts on.

Midfield: Bazoer - Chelsea, Napoli, Liverpool, Arsenal and Juventus have all shown an interest in teenage Ajax midfield player Riechedly Bazoer. Napoli has made an offer but taking advice from a third party who provides consultancy for one of the interested sides, the player is keen to stay at Ajax and bide his time. I suspect the interest from all sides will continue but he is not one for now.

Attacking Midfield: Vazquez - Milan have enquired about the availability of Palermo's Franco Vazquez and were told that he would be allowed to leave in the summer if an offer of more than €30M were made. That would be enough to scare off Inter and Sevilla who have looked at him since the beginning of the season. Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs have scouted the player this season with Liverpool and Manchester United showing increased interest very recently.

Attacking Midfield/Winger: Praet - Interest in Anderlecht's Dennis Praet has run hold and cold for a while and the likes of Ajax, Everton, Southampton, Hoffenheim and Dynamo Moscow have moved on in the past year. Both Sevilla and Valencia had offers rejected in the summer whilst Aston Villa were also being kept informed by Anderlecht of any approaches for the player, but there is no way the player will want to move there and they won't have that sort of money to spend on one player. Juventus were represented at a couple of games but were, I understand, unconvinced by the player - but I suspect interest will continue knowing that his value might well tumble as his contract is running down. Fiorentina has had several meetings with representatives of the player and Anderlecht - and were seemingly getting to the point where an agreement over a January transfer could be reached but interest in another player has given them an unexpected twist to deal with and they are now out of the picture. Arsenal has again looked at him in recent weeks, once they knew that there would be a January bid from elsewhere, but I am not aware of them taking it any further just yet. I understand that Liverpool are again interested in the Praet, and it is a player Klipperty would like. Praet may well provide more versatility than others as he has the ability to play as a winger as well.

Winger: NKoudou - Georges-Kevin N'Koudou of Marseille - perhaps a youngster for the summer for one of the many clubs who have looked at him - including Crystal Palace, Valerncia, West Ham, Liverpool and Manchester United. Marseille would certainly be open to a very high and over the odds offer at pretty much anytime.

Forward: Mbappé - Real Madrid prepare for a potential transfer ban they have spoken with Monaco regarding Kylian Mbappé (who cannot sign a professional contract until December 2016) about an agreement to possibly recruit him in 2017. A number of clubs have been watching him including Barcelona, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Manchester City, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Rennes, Marseille and PSG, but next January might be a better time for a move. Arsenal are talking to Monaco about options and how they might be able to secure his services.

Striker: Slimani - Sporting Lisbon are open to selling Islam Slimani at the right price and the prior interest of West Ham and Crystal Palace has been revived. Previous interest from Fiorentina, Napoli, Fenerbahce, Leicester, Aston Villa, Spurs, Norwich and Bordeaux appears to have gone. Liverpool, Udinese, Everton and Borussia Dortmund have scouted the player recently. If an offer close to the asking price is made it is possible a deal can be done this January for the striker.

Striker: Nolito - Barcelona has approached Celta Vigo about taking Nolito in January - but Nolito says he will not move anywhere just as cover for others and wants a commitment of game time. Both Spurs and Arsenal have had Nolito watched by scouts recently and Arsenal had a tentative approach knocked back but they may still be an option for January. A Spanish club could force move (if the player agrees) by paying a release clause that he has, but even though he has been playing well recently, Barcelona are the only Spanish club to have shown an interest at this time and are likely to have explained to him that he will have a number of opportunities and changes are coming in the summer. Right now a deal with Barcelona seems to be off the table. It is likely something can still happen with one club or other in January but I rather suspect money will be an issue. I am not aware of a Liverpool bid at this time but I am aware that they are considering such a move.}


1.) 29 Jan 2016 11:28:23
So do i summarise your summerise correct by saying that the player we are closest to try to make a bid for is Nolito this January?

Not a sure bid but under consideration?

YNWA.

{Ed002's Note - No, I didn't say that and can't answer things about "closest".}


2.) 29 Jan 2016 11:29:58
Very much appreciated, mate.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


3.) 29 Jan 2016 11:53:14
Cheers ed great update on players. All points to us waiting until the summer imo when things will be a little easier and will no what players we might have moved on.

Praet stands out for me as a good option.

Time will tell i guess.


4.) 29 Jan 2016 11:54:21
Awesome summary, thanks a million Ed2, you made my lunch break. :)

Sorry for the money question, but roughly what do you think would be considered the right price for Sporting for Slimani?
Considering his form and their league position, I'd have thought they'd be desperate to keep him for their title bid. So, would it be very high? Ballpark like.

{Ed002's Note - They were asking close to €30M and have rejected a €17M offer from an English side out of hand. So perhaps €25M would work.}


5.) 29 Jan 2016 12:03:19
Thanks Ed that's an excellent read.

{Ed002's Note - Thank you.}


6.) 29 Jan 2016 12:43:36
Appreciate the answer Ed.
Uff, 25 million yoyos. You think he's worth it?

{Ed002's Note - He is worth what a club wishes to pay.}


7.) 29 Jan 2016 12:48:06
Great insight, thanks ed!
I'm pretty relaxed about having a quiet Jan. There's already too many uncertainties in our squad without bringing even more bodies at the moment. I'd be happier to wait till the summer, let klopp trim the squad as he sees fit (assuming other clubs will buy our STR players) and then bring in the players he needs at a more reasonable price - before the euros!
thanks again for the info.


8.) 29 Jan 2016 12:50:33
Excellent read Ed, thank you. Any idea when you'll be posting the full summary?
Also if you don't mind me asking do you think Vazquez is a good player? I only ask because 3 goals so far this season seems a low return for an attacking player valued at e30 million!

{Ed002's Note - He is certainly well thought of EMS - as for goals I don't know what he has been up to with out checking.}


9.) 29 Jan 2016 12:53:06
Nice one Ed002.

If we're going to wait till the summer, it's a positive from the point of view that LFC won't buy just for the sake of buying. I'm sure some of the youngsters and those on the fringe can step up!


10.) 29 Jan 2016 13:03:08
Cheers ed, always doing a great job!


11.) 29 Jan 2016 13:06:42
I have seen him play a fair few games Ed002 and he reminds me of the Tottenham player Moussa Dembele. His best attributes are his power, tenacity, work rate, vision and composure. I think he could be excellent in midfield for us but if he was signed as a striker I'd have my doubts. When you say increased interest in him how do you mean? Additional scouting, enquiry, bid, approached his agent etc?

{Ed002's Note - There has been representation at (at least) the recent Tondelo game where he scored and the Pacos de Ferreira wghere he scored twice.}


12.) 29 Jan 2016 13:11:09
Great read ed. thanks for taking time to do it.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Lee.}


13.) 29 Jan 2016 13:15:20
Cheers Ed002.

What time scale should we expect for these deals?

😉.


14.) 29 Jan 2016 14:00:31
OK thanks ed for your time!


15.) 29 Jan 2016 14:16:57
Huh? Time scale?
Eds I think you'll have to look into getting a clickable 'likelihood scale' and 'time scale' on the website. Perhaps with whack-a-mole graphics. Or whack-a-Migs, even better! :)

{Ed002's Note - The "Whack-a-mole" would be a good idea to keep the Liverpool fans occupied between transfer windows.}


16.) 29 Jan 2016 14:26:03
😂😂

Ed002 knows I'm kidding, got one bite though 😉.


17.) 29 Jan 2016 15:24:19
Cheers ed for all your info.

P. s I love whack a mole, its an absolute classic and certainly passes the time.


18.) 29 Jan 2016 15:53:28
Not Wack-a-mole. We fans need a Flash Gordon game to play to pass the time. That way we could get to fight the bad guy, not Ming the Merciless but Migs the Hopeless!


19.) 29 Jan 2016 16:27:23
ah thank dog. i thought you might have been Ron, since you're a regular. But you just never know on here sometimes. The Eds have to keep their crystal balls highly polished to field some of the questions. ;)


20.) 29 Jan 2016 17:23:59
Eds 002,you've made several references to Barcelona's big changes afoot, over the last month or so, would you care to elaborate, take our minds off January madness and maybe give you a break from Teixeria theories!

{Ed001's Note - they are about to hit La Liga's salary cap, but have a 16.6m euro pay rise due to Messi for next season and about 7m euros pay rise to Neymar, so they have to clear house a bit.}


21.) 29 Jan 2016 18:08:18
Cheers eds, that puts a few transfers into a whole different perspective! Thankyou.

{Ed001's Note - they are in major trouble with salaries. The president will lose his position if the finances aren't fixed as they are outside of the club's statutes allowances.}


22.) 29 Jan 2016 18:21:38
So Suarez will be freed up, probably for around the £50-55m mark and Liverpool will re-sign him as the messiah returns, obviously displacing Illori. For 5 years with wage demands of £200,000 a week, the glory days will return within a season, and all fans on this site will have nothing left to complain about? Am I right Eds?

{Ed001's Note - damn you have put us all out of work!}


23.) 29 Jan 2016 18:40:28
I'd rather Suarez stayed in Spain, he was an incredible player for us but brought too much baggage with him.
In Spain he can't do any damage to us.


24.) 29 Jan 2016 17:25:39
Excellent summary Ed002! Thanks for that.


25.) 29 Jan 2016 18:13:39
Cheers ed, thanks for that.


26.) 30 Jan 2016 09:10:51
So how can Barcelona sort that ed? Is it simply that they'll have to get rid of one of their highest profile players to free up their wage bill, or could they balance the books by by selling some less vital players and redirect that money to wages, or does it not work that way? If they do need to sell, do you think Neymar is likely to head off to city / United/ .?
And Ron is this another kidding post or would you not actually want Suarez back? Just checking before I bite?,

{Ed001's Note - they have a salary cap in La Liga coming in next season, they are just about on it without the wage increases, and Neymar's talk of a new contract with a wage rise is worrying for them. It makes it almost certain they will have to break up the 'MSN'. Interestingly, Messi has a clause in his contract which means Barca have to pay him a compensation payment equal to his forthcoming pay rise for next season of 16.6m. It is most likely he would be the one to make way, if any, as his salary will be such a huge chunk of their budget, they will not be able to shift enough back up players to reduce the salary bill sufficiently.}


27.) 31 Jan 2016 00:13:15
Boss read that Ed nice one.


 

 

18 Oct 2015 22:16:19
Lfc January transfer targets:
GK: Bernd Leno/ Loris Karius
CB: Nevan Subotic/ Benedikt Howedes
CM: Ruben Neves, Ilkay Gundogan

Would not surprise me if Allen, Enrique and Mignolet left. Martin Skrtel in the summer.
Markovic may well be called back from his loan if Klopp feels we need wide men.

Fairly confident on all this.

toddythered

 

 

04 Oct 2015 23:17:36
He's not even been confirmed as manager but already Jurgen Klopp seems to have reinstalled the fear factor of playing at Anfield.
Supporters of other teams seem very concerned and let's not forget, we're not out of a title race.
If we reach Christmas still within 9/10 points of the lead, we'll have a brilliant manager taking us through the second half of the season with all big games to come at home.
We'll have the passion on the pitch and in the crowd that we've been missing.
And, let's not forget, no one else in this league looks very good!

Now, I don't want to tempt fate as nothing's official yet, but, quietly, I'm more than excited.

toddythered

 

 

26 Jul 2015 11:24:35
My dad met a Brazilian taxi driver the other day (you got to believe me here) who claimed, and gave photographic evidence to show that he was mates with a load of the Brazilians who play in and amongst the capital.
Obviously this meant most of the guys he knew were Chelsea players, although he freely admitted to my Dad they are well aware that United and Liverpool are the biggest teams in the country, and he had been best mates with David Luiz when he was here.
He gave my dad two pieces of 'gossip' though, one was that Oscar won't be leaving Chelsea as he's settled in London and has kids in schools and everything.
The other was that Inter had been in talks with Sandro, of QPR, who's desperate to move there, provided it's on a permanent basis, not a loan, which has been looked at. Sandro, though, is apparently aware he's Inter's second choice, and they're still desperate to sign Lucas Leiva. The guy didn't mention if Lucas wants to leave or not, and probably has never met him even, but all I'm saying is Inter may have signed Kondogbia but still seem to be pushing for Lucas.

Quick question eds, if Lucas were to leave, would you be surprised if we were to try for Thiago Motta, who's just said he wants to leave PSG?

toddythered

{Ed001's Note - yes, I would be very surprised.}


 

 

 

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20 Jun 2016 12:08:23
I'm not deluded and understand without UCL we won't be able to compete for te best players around. However, why can United and Chelsea, when they, too, don't have Champions League football?
This is the one problem I have with FSG. Tey have thrown money at the club, saved us from bankruptcy and so on, but we just aren't an attractive option to the best players, when we should be based on our size and manager.

toddythered

1.) 20 Jun 2016 12:18:19
Toddy, I think the issue with us compared to Man U and Chelsea is that we have been pretty much absent from the CL for the past 7-8 seasons. Whereas Man U and Chelsea have had very, very rare aberrations in the last season or two. 5-6 years ago we would've been in the same boat as we were then, very recently, regularly in the CL.

Unfortunately, right now we are not.


2.) 20 Jun 2016 12:23:35
Because FSG won't pay the big wages, big fees yes big wages no, pay the money and they will come. Unfortunately money rules all in today's football.


3.) 20 Jun 2016 12:25:49
Because United are still in the Europa league, still winning trophies, and have only failed to qualify for 2 of the last 3 seasons. Prior to that they were mainstays in the CL for 2 decades.

Chelsea have recently won the title, the CL, the EL and have only failed to qualify once in about a decade.

In contrast we have only qualified once in the last 6 years and that one time we did, we pitifully failed to get past FC Basel and Ludogorets.

What is there that you don't understand? Our reputation is tainted by the last 6 years under Hodgson, Dalglish and Rodgers. We were a joke. Dalglish was the only one of the 3 to take us to a couple of finals, winning one. But his league record and transfer history were abysmal (let's not even mention the whole Suarez thing as I think Dalglish was a scapegoat there) . Rodgers and Hodgson did nothing but bring embarrassment to the club though.

Then you have the issue that clubs don't want to deal with us due to our shocking behaviour. Low balling, tapping up, refusing to delay a payment to save an ex players season etc.

Our club has behaved despicably in the last half a decade, and won just a League Cup in the process. Suarez alone brought a raft of shame on us with his biting, racism and poor behaviour off the field (running his mouth to the media etc) .

If you take off the red tinted glasses, it's actually very easy to see why Man U and Chelsea have a bigger pulling factor than we do. Klopp and the new guy who eventually replaces Ayre have a massive job to do not just on the field, but in restructuring our international image and reputation.


4.) 20 Jun 2016 12:48:26
"fsg won't pay the big wages "
Yet we have milner on 175k a week.


5.) 20 Jun 2016 12:52:19
If Kenny was given the same length of time Rodgers was things would have been a whole lot different.
That team in the league was very unlucky hitting posts, crossbars etc.
Klopp achieved less in his first year and is still a great manager.
Kennys team would have Iimproved greatly the following year.
For me he is still Number 1.


6.) 20 Jun 2016 13:18:28
Spot on Zeddicus.


7.) 20 Jun 2016 13:30:50
Its a combination not having Europe and the Liverpool Chelsea have London man u as it pains me to say it have a better recent history and pay stupid money and wages we cannot afford.


8.) 20 Jun 2016 13:37:03
That's some privileged information you have big Al, or are you a wages clerk at Anfield? Let's just say you have inside knowledge of players actual factual wage payments ( which you haven't IMHO) £175k a week encompasses I would imagine his signing on fee and the fact we didn't pay a fee to man city.

Big fees big wages get you big time players, it's that simple. Me myself I prefer to not speculate on players or worry who we buy because I'm so confident in klopp that it doesn't matter what players I like or I'd prefer it's what players he likes or prefers I'm more interested in.


9.) 20 Jun 2016 13:40:26
We have the 5th highest bill of EPL teams (very consistently 5th over the last 5 years) :
Chelsea £215.6m
Manchester United £203 m
Manchester City £193.8m
Arsenal £192m
Liverpool £152m

For the last 5 years we work out to also be 4th (I think) for transfer spending over the last 5 years.

We are under achieving in terms of players coming in and actual achievements. The conclusion has to be that either we are no longer a draw for the very big names in football (quite possible given a lack of trophies and UCL over the last decade) or our transfer committee in combination with the manager is not doing a good job. Our recent dubious hardball tactics in the market makes me think the latter plays a bigger role than the former BUT given that Spurs' wage bill is £42m less than ours and our wage bill being more than two times larger than West Ham AND more than 3 times larger than LCFC the players should also take a look at themselves and their achievement over the period.


10.) 20 Jun 2016 13:45:26
Although Milner came in on a free. He did get a huge signing on fee from us.


11.) 20 Jun 2016 13:53:33
As much as i like the guy i'm going to reserve judgement on Klopp until after this transfer window. Hopefully, Grujic and Matip and Karius will prove to be shrewd signings of the calibre he bought while at Dortmund. At the moment the only proverbial proof in the pudding has been Steven Caulker.


12.) 20 Jun 2016 14:11:29
Reynard, I agree with what you are saying, we have really underachieved in the last couple of seasons and this is mainly down to the players and/ or coach, definitely not the owners as Waro asserts.

However, I would be intrigued to find out what the relative squad sizes are against the wage bills above. I know we have had a massive squad, and that could itself have bloated our total wage bill compared to other clubs.

The fact that Chelsea had the largest wage bill yet finished below us does in itself speak volumes.


13.) 20 Jun 2016 14:16:11
Tbf we are probably 5th or 6th choice in terms of attracting players in England, so will have to try look elsewhere and this is why I was over the moon with us letting Klopp because that's what he did at Dortmund.

As for getting players in, fair enough there are players we all probably know well that if we could afford and attract I'd love us to sign (higuain for example) . However, as far as the signings we've made (besides matip) I haven't seen much of them play and would be amazed if many people on this site have, but have to put faith in Klopp to get it right.

Mahrez, modric, bale and Kante were unknowns, same with lewandowski or gundogan. Sturridge and coutinho couldn't get games at their clubs, give Klopp faith before writing off players I'm sure 90% have barely seen play.


14.) 20 Jun 2016 15:18:04
LFC won`t pay big money, Waro? Have you been under a rock when we bought Carroll, Downing, Benteke, Lallana, Firmino and the lot? Did they not invest then? Stupid comment really. they may have not spent wisely and there`s a lot of blame to go around but to say they don`t wanna pay big money is a flat out lie. Today`s PL no longer requires that you have big money signings as LC and WH have shown. You have to have the right team with the right player and mentality to succeed. I suggest you get on board with this new notion Waro, or you`ll be left behind whining about things we all know won`t happen.


15.) 20 Jun 2016 15:58:47
redohio i believe waro said fsg are willing to pay big money for transfers bt not wages. 2 different areas. just clearing that up.


16.) 20 Jun 2016 16:18:41
Thank you kaizer, finally someone who can read! Let's Celebrate 🎉 yaaaayyy! Seems like your cornering the market in stupid comments redohio old chap. Toodle pip.


17.) 20 Jun 2016 16:26:46
You are right Zeddicus in that our under 21s Contract and Scholars Players List is bloated (it was about 59 players in 2014/ 15) so as Eds 001 and 002 have regularly pointed out we need to prune the squad and utilize a more sensible development strategy. The model employed by FSG has been a little haphazard and seems to have had more to do with young players as investment opportunities rather than player and squad development. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with that if you have a 'joined-up' development policy but we seem to be very disjointed. Klopp clearly has an eye on this and will impact heavily on how we move forward over the next two seasons. We can only sit back and watch as we always do. Let's hope we get it more right than wrong in the coming season.


18.) 20 Jun 2016 16:30:03
Oh yes redohio, read (if you can that is, you failed miserably on my first post) the last paragraph in my reply to big Al. That may ease your furrowed brow.


19.) 20 Jun 2016 16:59:13
Waro and Ohio sitting in a tree etc.


20.) 20 Jun 2016 12:16:35
Chelsea has been out only once in last decade and they fight for the title every year. UTD have a new manager who has a habit of winning trophies wherever he has been. UTD has immense wealth under their pocket and would never have a problem with FFP. City has the best manager in the world plus CL.
Liverpool past record would put off 70% of players, Moreover we sell one of our star players every summer. That's a fact, just accept it and let's move on.


 

 

16 Jun 2016 22:17:57
Could you see Origi and Sturridge working as a front 2? Or do they not compliment one another well enough?

toddythered

1.) 16 Jun 2016 22:22:26
They can compliment each other, but Klopp has a system of play in which there is 1 striker, but he changes things later if things are not going well. I say let the manager stick to what he wants to do.


2.) 16 Jun 2016 22:27:39
Sturridge has worked as a number 2 with saurez and again tonight with vardy, don't see why not. Sturridge seems to like to drop deep at times to get the ball whilst origi is a lot stronger and is someone you can hit A long ball two who is willing to hold it up or run the channels, also origi presses well. Don't see why it couldn't.

But will change as season goes on and with ings firmino plus any new signings wanting first team football who knows!


3.) 16 Jun 2016 22:34:41
Ya I think they can work why because the both could out wide if Klopp what's to but they proven against saints that they can't work as a 2.


4.) 16 Jun 2016 22:47:50
Of course they can. They have already played together and I would guess they would have more if they had of been fit at the same time. Surprisingly with Origi the one being injured.


5.) 16 Jun 2016 22:48:39
Yes they can. Studge drops deep and pulls wide like Firmino while Origi can do everything so no prob there. With the right training and understanding, playing both won't be an issue.


6.) 16 Jun 2016 23:09:40
It'd certainly be interesting should they both be 100% fit.

To me Origi will be our number 1 striker, let's not forget Ings, easily forgotten due to his bad injury but he will be great for us I have no doubt. I love sturridge but problem with him is his injurys, it was getting beyond a joke, if that bad spell has ended then brilliant, we're laughing. because he will tear up defences along with origi and or Ings. I am excited about our forwards, we have a lot of quality, next season will be better.


7.) 17 Jun 2016 02:50:53
He plays with two strikers. Daniel and firmino.


8.) 17 Jun 2016 04:11:15
They'd be perfectly complementary IMO.

Sturridge suits 2 upfront as he likes to roam and have a partner to complement his movement and/ or remain in the box (as we saw with Sturridges assist to Vardys first goal, and Sturridges pass into Vardy to create the second) . He's also not great at hold up play (which Origi is, and this is extremely useful) but he's a clinical finisher (which Origi isn't just yet) .

By contrast Origi can do it all, and arguably the better suited in style to being a lone striker, but he's just not as lethal in front of goal yet IMO.

Question is what system do you play with 2 upfront as we don't have the obvious wide midfielders and 4-4-2 doesn't suit Firmino. My preference would be the diamond and a midfield of Can, Hendo, Coutinho (similar to 13/ 14 but just Can instead of Gerard) and then put Firmino in at no.10 to feed the strikers. I think this would be a lethal setup. We'd need Can to be very disciplined and to have a solid back 4 though as it's quite a narrow and attacking midfield setup.


9.) 17 Jun 2016 08:57:58
Didn't they start together away to Southampton when we won 6-1?
Origi hatrick and studge hit the equaliser?


10.) 17 Jun 2016 09:36:13
Completely agree, a diamond with those two up top, can holding, hendo and coutinho either side and firmino at the tip would be a deadly combination imo.


11.) 17 Jun 2016 00:43:28
Personally don't see sturridge and firmino in the same team. Stidge looks like he has sacrificed speed for fitness with his training. Definitely not as sharp and therefore operates better as a twb behind an origin type but so does firmino. Same as this gotze interest there all the same bleeding player.


 

 

12 Jun 2016 10:53:00
Eds you said a while ago we had scouted in Bazoer- are we interested? Thanks.

toddythered

{Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

08 Jun 2016 23:44:22
I don't not rate Mané as a player, but when you don't start every week for Southampton, you should not be worth £30million.
People try to claim we should never have bought Lallana who was roughly the same age, coming off a better season than Mané is and obviously there's the English premium to factor in!
I was personally delighted with the Lallana signing and think he's done better for us than many make out- even in his first season he struggled with consistency due to injuries, but was one of our better players, I felt.

Mané brings pace. Fine. We need it. But that doesn't make someone a £30million player. Especially not when there are concerns about their attitude!
For everyone levelling stats about how much of a goal threat he is, they aren't that dissimilar to Benteke's from last season.

Sané for instance would supposedly not be interested, and we may have had a bid rejected, but are you telling him he wouldn't be worth £10million more than Mané?
The S&M really changed things up there.

Julian Brandt, Max Meyer so on, £30million is big money for Liverpool Football Club to be spending, and those players are fast too, but younger, have greater potential and no supposed attitude problems that I am aware of!

toddythered

1.) 09 Jun 2016 00:27:31
Agreed. I think lallana gets a raw deal on here, he doesn't get the credit for the passes that he does which set up the assist. I've seen coutinho get his praises sung for setting up an assist, but when it's lallana people seem blind and desperate to slag him off no matter what.


2.) 09 Jun 2016 00:50:25
We know what mane does in this leauge and we don't what the other you say can do . This is more a risk in my eyes.


3.) 09 Jun 2016 07:55:58
Some players will never be praised here tbh they could score 3 goals a match and still sell sell sell. He has brought more assists and goal is the trigger for pressing and creates space for others when he got confidence he didn't slow the ball as much.


 

 

08 Jun 2016 15:45:32
Reports we have rejected a €25million bid for Coutinho from PSG.
I thought we were the team who aggravate others by bidding offensively low! Absolute joke, I would honestly tell them to triple that if they want him.

toddythered

1.) 08 Jun 2016 16:56:43
this is what happens when you get a reputation for messing clubs around, now we know how other clubs feel, if you dish it out, you should be able to take it yourself.


2.) 08 Jun 2016 17:15:40
There has not been any bid for him yet. Right ed?

{Ed002's Note - I don't knoiw if a formal offer has been made or not at this time. PSG are up to their necks in trying to negotiate something else at this time and that is their focus. As I said, there is interest and that may well lead to an offer.}


3.) 08 Jun 2016 20:07:10
They sorting out Ibra leaving ed you mean?

{Ed002's Note - No, that doesn't take any effort at all.}


4.) 09 Jun 2016 00:47:36
Ronaldo in would be my guess.


 

 

 

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06 Jun 2017 13:44:50
Ed1, oils you remind me which deal previously Klopp had gotten into trouble for tapping up with. I remember that Gerrard approached Kroos obviously the Dempsey fiasco had us in trouble but what has Klopp done wrongly?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't remember mate, Ed002 would be the one to ask.}


 

 

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21 Aug 2016 12:12:15
Ed1,
You're picking our team for spurs away, Origi or Sturridge? Or neither?

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{Ed001's Note - Origi. 100%. Love Studger but he is not ready.}


 

 

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30 Jul 2016 13:31:23
Agreed we don't want Milner as our left back, Ed1, but when Arsenal away comes around I'd rather him than Moreno start there.

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09 Jun 2016 13:24:56
Macca, I await your response eagerly:
How far is the selling of the club along?

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09 Jun 2016 12:09:52
So ed2, how at through this process could Liverpool be without the public being aware? Macca said it's further down the line than we think.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure what it has to do with "the public". Some clubs have changed hands with little or no publicity. Right now if you look at Milan, Marseille and Inter they are not getting vast amounts of publicity. Others have seen a lot of publicity and erroneous information - not helped by easily led fans who have no grasp of what is involved and are happy to celebrate pettifogger that was Kenny Huang. I explained from day one that he was a shyster etc. but through the forums and message board he became the New Messiah and many, including a number of regulars from here, took to singing his praises, worshipping him, and taking him small tokens as gifts. Fortunately we called in a favour and had his offices checked only to find a bill-skipping charlatan and he was soon consigned to history. You need to ask Macca how far down the line any sale of Liverpool is.}


 

 

 

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28 Dec 2016 14:56:41
Some of the atmosphere was great but a huge number of people left early which was disgraceful in my opinion.

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17 Nov 2016 07:30:49
Costa right up there in that he could stamp on any of our players at any time because he's an absolutely reclusive man.
Controversial one, but I was quite fond of Gary Neville, in a way- one club man, became captain, very good defensively- with Neville I would say you are blinded by the fact he played for united if you hate him.

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07 Nov 2016 23:03:27
That being Idrissa Gueye ed1? Didn't know you rated him o highly!

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{Ed001's Note - yes and he has been their best player as he was for Villa last season.}


 

 

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01 Nov 2016 19:56:55
Couldn't see anything Liverpool related I don't think, taken down?

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26 Oct 2016 12:34:22
Out of interest Ed2, who would be your 4 strikers? Dybala I assume is a certainty, but other than that?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to that Toddy but if you want to have a separate thread that will be just fine on the teams page.}