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09 Jun 2017 13:47:06
The owners are in for a tough time in the next few months, trust me!

Waro

1.) 09 Jun 2017 13:56:55
Why? Happy to trust you if you shed some light as to how you know this.


2.) 09 Jun 2017 14:17:03
Why shld we trust you? Or are you personally going to give them a hard time?


3.) 09 Jun 2017 14:21:12
And so they should seein they are ultimately responsible if staff are draggin the clubs name through the mud.


4.) 09 Jun 2017 14:22:13
The thing is they would have to pick between how serious they are in running the football club in buying the best players for serious money or sticking to their pathetic money ball ideology with the risk of we lacking behind in winning trophies for the club.


5.) 09 Jun 2017 14:29:08
Spirit of Shankly are planning again TIA19.


6.) 09 Jun 2017 14:53:36
Oh my god. Lallana the reason no ed commented is because they have probably shot themselves.

Moneyball ideology? Jesus christ. We are one of the biggest spenders is world football. We didn't pull out of vvd for money reasons, but becsuse we approached the deal ass backwards. Same as salah, that's pending an investigation.

There was no worries from the owbers when spending 100 mil for the king, 200 mil for brendan or 80 mil for klopp.

Firmino, lallana, lovren, mane, wij where bought for about 140 mil.

Get a grip and stop watching stupid films and then spending your time basig your ideaology on them.

The money ball system was never about savung money because there cheap bastards but with abit more care and detail you can build a better team thay just spending millions.

Even chelsea are at that juncture.

Wheras city have yet to learn.

Tottenham have learned it.

United havent.

Leicster learned it.

We havent.

You can always spend money but for example its not always the big shiny names but the ones that will fit your team better.

{Ed001's Note - Moneyball is a lie anyway, it never existed and if people took the time to read up they would know it is nonsense.}


7.) 09 Jun 2017 15:45:19
What's the plan waro? You and the other goons planning a protest? Meet in the pub and brain storm how you can infiltrate the club and run it yourself?! God. it's tiresome. Zzzz.


8.) 09 Jun 2017 19:15:58
It will harm the club.


9.) 09 Jun 2017 20:13:08
You know effective scouting can find players that are much cheaper and not found yet, I think we got some Brazilian lad like that. what's his name again?
Or we can go the Labour route and spend spend spend and let the club go bankrupt! Sorry for that Labour voters.
FSG have spent big, they have invested - the sums for players are huge now and getting bigger.


10.) 09 Jun 2017 20:39:12
Waro you can't just up and spend 800m on players, you have to balance the books, unless you want us to go into administration. You and the other members of the SOS have to realise that FSG are doing a good job, they are putting in their own money and you should know that given your access to Ed002's wealth of knowledge. Please get out of La la land and realise that if you charge into FSG's office with swords and take over the club, the glory days won't suddenly return, football has changed and we are on the backfoot commercially. We have a talented squad and success should return under the helm of Judgen Klopp, you SOS lot will do nothing but make that process more difficult. I don't suppose any of you have 100m hidden in the back of your couch? If not, stop causing unnecessary conflict and support your club.


11.) 09 Jun 2017 23:50:53
I have a great deal of time for Waro but believe he will only be happy when the club is owned by fans living in liverpool and nobody outside of that are allowed to have tickets ( he seems to forget that most of them will tout the tickets out, which is evident on match days) it's about time all the groups opposed to FSG just stopped moaning and actually supported the club, their agenda is miss guided in my opinion.


12.) 10 Jun 2017 15:30:31
Excellent post SuperMane. That's an eye opener for all who are miles away from reality. The club should not and would not be held ransom. Salah not in million years is worth what Roma is asking for ( reported €40 mill ) would Chelsea even touch him for that price?
Falling for Waro would make you completely hatter towards FSG.


 

 

16 May 2017 20:52:11
I've been told today by someone who normally gives me decent information that Max Meyer is to be seriously persued this summer champions league or not.

Waro

1.) 16 May 2017 22:04:08
Thanks for the info waro.

I'm not sure he's good enough though, fairly poor return on goals and assists. Hasn't really kicked on this year as many would have hoped.


2.) 16 May 2017 22:58:24
Thanks for sharing Waro. Meyer is a decent player, but has not kicked on like Brandt or Sane has, but he is versatile, and can play wide or in central midfield in a 3 as an attacking player.


3.) 16 May 2017 23:01:58
Gareth Bale is coming too.

Thanks for the info Waro 👍.


4.) 17 May 2017 11:32:26
Thought I'd pass it on as I don't normally get transfer target info from him, just team news and injuries, I'm not sure about it to be honest as were overloaded with midfielders I thought it'd be a defender he'd be telling me about, but time will tell.


5.) 17 May 2017 13:34:55
Hard to judge him as he is used as a squad player. 2 goals and 5 assists in 1600 odd minutes according to stat sites. Hardly poor for a 21 year old attacking midfielder.

It's his all around game and his potential that you pay for, and that is excellent. For me, it spells the end for someone. Look at all the young attacking midfield players we have; Ojo, Wilson, Brannagan, Ejaria, Woodburn, Grujic, Kent and even Arnold to some extent. Meyer though to be fair is probably better than all of them excluding Grujic, Arnold and Woodburn. So perhaps if we were to sell/ loan Brannagan, Ojo, Wilson, Ejaria and Kent it makes sense. We do need to improve our squad depth and Meyer is a player who doesn't mind being a squad player. He seems level headed enough to understand that is his current level, despite his enormous potential. Could be good business.


6.) 17 May 2017 13:47:34
Good points by MK, the kid burst out into the scene at a very early age, and has much room for development. However, I would be worried about his position, since he was seen as an alternative to Brandt, the much-coveted LW option for our squad. I admit to not watching much of Meyer, but I always had the impression his position was a bit unclear, but seen as more central. That would make him a good back-up for the periods when Couts is out injured or needs a rest, but would not offer the speed and directness that a genuine LW could bring?


7.) 17 May 2017 15:14:40
He's very versatile Drigan. I've seen him play Right midfield, attacking midfield, right wing, second striker and even centre mid. Weirdly enough though, I've never seen him play on the left.

As you say, I don't think his eventual position has been decided yet. His touch and movement is fantastic though. He can link play up no matter where he plays.


8.) 17 May 2017 18:34:57
Not sure he's an improvement on what we have though.

He wouldn't displace Couts, lallana, wiji or Emre.

I also don't think he's much better than Wilson or Grujic our current 2 young midfielders waiting for game time.


9.) 17 May 2017 18:34:02
I've messaged him today about any info on VVD, but had no reply as of yet, if he knows anything I'll post it.


10.) 17 May 2017 18:52:33
If hardly count playing right mid and right wing as versatile mk ;)


11.) 17 May 2017 19:24:30
Of course it is Fencey. Playing on the right of a midfield is much much defensively demanding than playing on the right of a forward line. A lot of forward players (Pedro for instance) have to be played as a dedicated wide forward because they can't or won't track back.

I get what you mean though. In an attacking sense, your role doesn't really change except that right wingers are expected to contribute more goals.

Really not sure people can put Wilson in the same bracket as Meyer by the way. I like Wilson but Meyer is a first team squad player who makes nearly 30 appearances a season for 3 years running. Wilson has had 20 minutes off the bench unless you include a few failed loan moves in sub-par leagues.

Meyer is potentially world class and could be an excellent long term replacement for Coutinho or Lallana; as Coutinho may well leave to go to Barcelona eventually, and Lallana is getting on for 30 years old and also isn't really that great anyway.

It is about long term investment sometimes. Chelsea didn't sign Zouma to instantly play every game. He is a long term project. A player with immense potential who they have brought in to be moulded into exactly what they need when the likes of Terry and Cahill are gone.


12.) 18 May 2017 18:39:00
Brandt is way ahead of him and has been since the Olympics last summer were both along with Sule were very good.


13.) 19 May 2017 14:17:52
Got a text late last night about VVD, don't shoot the messenger, but apparently the club are happy to say nothing about the link to him but have zero interest in the player, there looking at it helping them muddy the waters about other transfer targets, I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist.


 

 

17 Apr 2016 11:18:23
Don't know if it's already been posted but the team as I'm lead to believe is

Ward
Smith
Randall
Toure
Lucas
Stewart
Allen
Ibe
Ojo
Firmino
Sturridge

Just what I've been text this morning, thought some of you may be interested.

Waro

1.) 17 Apr 2016 11:35:45
Lots of pace.


2.) 17 Apr 2016 11:57:42
Nice one Waro - wierdly I was also told about this team sheet by a friend and it's exactly the same so let's see eh.


3.) 17 Apr 2016 11:58:45
I hope not! can't expect to make that many changes and win?


4.) 17 Apr 2016 12:03:28
Nice. I like the idea of 2 very experienced centre backs to help out Randall and Smith. A very quick attacking unit!


5.) 17 Apr 2016 12:19:41
No Flannagan?


6.) 17 Apr 2016 12:29:28
Was thinking the same is flanno injured?


7.) 17 Apr 2016 12:42:08
I like the adventurous spirit but looks like 4-2-3-1 with Stewart and Allen at base of midfield which I'm not sure suits Allen. he's going to need to be disciplined as with a very young attack we can expect them to lose possession a few times. Would also have preferred to see Flanno but let's see.

Interesting to see how Ibe, Ojo, Firmino and Sturridge get along, should be lot of fun and wouldn't want to be in their defence right now. Hope the youngsters have a great game and will be interesting to see how Ibe has gotten along out of the spotlight.


8.) 17 Apr 2016 12:47:30
Must admit, I hate to shoot players down and whenever they play I will support them fully but I personally don't see anything about Connor Randall that makes me think he has a future at the club. Seen him on enough occasions now to make a judgement and he is way down the pecking order behind Clyne and Flanno.

{Ed001's Note - he did grow into his appearances though, which suggests there is more to come if he gets a run of games.}


9.) 17 Apr 2016 15:36:28
aha maybe you were right ed, thought he was much improved today, showed a lot more pace than i've seen from him.


10.) 17 Apr 2016 16:49:42
The pace of Ibe and Ojo also meant we still had plenty of in Attack so all round a smart choice, giving Ibe and Ojo the opportunity to run at the defence which the did well.


11.) 17 Apr 2016 22:52:48
I love what Klopp is doing. He is building a squad mentality into this team as in, no matter who or what team plays, He expects that player or team to perform and do the job. That is what we saw today. All the boys played solidly as a unit and I was delighted with that. There are no first teamers in his eyes so people especially the lazy journalists asking dumb questions, need to get used to it.

He will play who he thinks is good enough for that game and most importantly, If you get picked, you go out there and perform or you'll be back on the bench and good luck, end of.


12.) 19 Apr 2016 08:31:31
HX I completely agree. I haven't seen anything of Randall to understand his involvement in the first team. Seems way out of his dept.


 

 

29 Nov 2015 12:09:26
This is the team I've just received,

mignolet Clyne Skrtel Lovren Moreno

Milner Allen can Ibe Lallana

Benteke.

Waro

1.) 29 Nov 2015 15:08:19
Perfect chance for Lallana and Milner to step up and make their presence felt. Good to see how the team gets on without our Brazilians.


2.) 29 Nov 2015 15:18:33
Sturridge and Hendo on the bench!


3.) 29 Nov 2015 15:20:26
5 british players. wow.


4.) 29 Nov 2015 15:45:27
I don't think you're right on this one mate. Firmino looks like he'll start.


5.) 29 Nov 2015 15:49:37
Firmino playing, Allen is not.


 

 

21 Nov 2015 11:29:12
Mignolet Clyne Skrtel Lovren Moreno lucas Can Milner Coutinho Lallana firmino.

That's what I've just received, but again it's not from my usual info so hopefully this lad redeems himself.

Waro

1.) 21 Nov 2015 11:51:02
Cheers Waro.


2.) 21 Nov 2015 12:01:37
No benteke?


3.) 21 Nov 2015 12:32:32
Don't moan Firminio means a start for you ;)


4.) 21 Nov 2015 14:36:11
No striker, no chance! 😢.


5.) 21 Nov 2015 16:04:40
Yeah firmino just like at Chelsea 😕.


6.) 21 Nov 2015 16:44:10
Spot on waro, thanks for the info mate.


7.) 21 Nov 2015 19:35:01
Fancy changing your comment firmnio?


8.) 21 Nov 2015 20:09:06
Firmino played well but should of banged two away!


9.) 21 Nov 2015 20:50:53
Thought just the same Marshy, however many may have had the same concerns before the game.

I am a fan of Firmino and he is beginning to truly show his worth now he has a few games under his belt.

Great display and graft from the whole team, thank you.


10.) 22 Nov 2015 13:17:21
for me firmino is getting used to the pace of the prem and with each game he is getting better and looking better, it was his best game yet and i really like him plus i think once he gets a grip on the prem he will start playing like he did for his last club Hoff i can't wait could he be our new luis suarez, i hope so :) )


11.) 23 Nov 2015 17:25:06
He's had two really good games for us, city and Chelsea away, hopefully he can't continue to be Able to Bring it in big games.


12.) 24 Nov 2015 13:47:55
To be fair if you bought a car and it broke down every week at some point you would you consider it a waste of resources and sell it. Sturridge for me is at the last chance saloon, if he can't stay fit until the end of the season (and perform) then he has to go in my opinion.


 

 

 

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14 Dec 2017 07:24:33
Last night started with klopps press conference before the Derby, he played right into the media's hands when they pushed him about Henderson not playing in the spartak game.

Instead of pouring water on that line of questioning he got prickly about it and told everyone that Henderson would be playing on the Sunday, I feel this influenced his team decision (if I can drop the captain, look I can drop these two as well! ) he was played by the media which subsequently led to the furore of his team selection before and after the game.

Then came the result on Sunday which created all the wrong headlines and unnecessary pressure leading into last night's game, pressure on klopp translates to the players which gives you last night's result and performance. Let's hope klopp has learned from this and is more guarded in the future.

Waro

1.) 14 Dec 2017 08:53:58
Or maybe he knows that there is a busy Christmas period coming up and knows he can't play the same 11 in every game and rested a few players accordingly? Seems logical to me!


2.) 14 Dec 2017 08:59:32
He doesn't seem to be handling the pressure very well at the minute all this "you blame me" and "this is my life" stuff. It's like someone's held a gun to his head and forced him to take the job. He does put too much pressure on himself with his comments "if I'm here 4 years we will win at least one title". That's looking a long way off at the minute.


3.) 14 Dec 2017 09:05:22
You are wavering Ron! Have you lost your mojo? Its not like you to be so down beat!


4.) 14 Dec 2017 09:33:54
I agree. Recently the pressure looks like it's getting to Klopp, he seems far more uptight and agitated.


5.) 14 Dec 2017 10:47:16
Can you blame him seriously? He rotated and won 3 4 games nothing said. Yet minute players throw game they should have win away everyone suddenly saying oh it's rotation! They gave him grief for taking Salah off as precaution of his best player coming into busy period and having slight injury. Yet in disbelief am reading today he's getting a hard time for leaving Salah on last night as he looked tired! I honestly am at a loss.


6.) 14 Dec 2017 11:05:33
I agree Coco. It’s absolutely ridiculous. He rested players against Chelsea and Everton and but for a freak goal and a woeful refereeing decision not to mention Mane and Salah missing sitters we would’ve won both games! How can that be down to rotation? Then he plays the Fab 4 last night and we don’t score so he should’ve changed it! If I was him I’d seriously be thinking of Bayern at the end of the season because he just can’t do right for doing wrong with some of our idiot fans.


7.) 14 Dec 2017 11:20:03
Chucking away the HOME derby, like I believe he did, is obe of the worst errors a manager can do in my eyes. Going to take a while for me to get over that.


8.) 14 Dec 2017 11:56:16
Waro, you are making 2 and 2 out to be 5, IMO. He saying Hendo would play vs Everton has nothing to do with the media playing him. The fact that some of our own fans hate the captain. is what should outrage you. It was these fans that started this farce about the captain not playing, means he is crap.

Pep does not play Kompany due to his injuries BUT no one says a thing cos well, it is not relevant as he is managing his fitness and so is Kopp with Hendo. But it's an issue cos well, it's Hendo. It is the pathetic media narrative that the captain. must play when fit that is the issue and you are falling for it. He defended his captain and Hendo played well IMO vs Everton. Coaches defend players and captains all the time so what changed? Cos Klopp did it? Nothing to see there and we move on, IMO.


9.) 14 Dec 2017 11:57:32
Don't know where you have read people criticising him about salah last night ings, I've not seen that!

You're being a little blinkered here, klopp got it wrong v Chelsea as well by the way, there's nothing wrong with squad rotation but not in massive games, he plays the same team as the previous weds on the Sunday and imo were 3 up at half time against Everton because they didn't defend particularly well, take your two players off there at half time when the game is won, ditto the Spartak game.

I love klopp and hope he's hear for many years, but he's been a smart arse a few times this season and his interview after the Derby showed he knew himself he'd got his selections wrong, we've had worse decisions go against us than that since he took the job and was always pragmatic with his interviews, but his reaction suggested he knew he'd messed up and his subsequent apology at the end of the interview showed he knew he'd lost control. Saying he should go to bayern is a similar dummy spitting reaction and shows a lack of class.


10.) 14 Dec 2017 12:07:23
Ron, if we as fans are frustrated as heck over the past two games (where we did not lose, btw) why would you think the manager won't be? All managers are like that as it was the fine margins that did not get us two wins i both games and we all are livid. Klopp is emotional and lives games w/ his players and the fans which is why majority of us love him. He sees the players everyday and how much they try so he is not only frustrated for them. He is for he rest of us as well. Pressure is secondary as it is part of the job.

Wenger and Mou for ex., do not hide their frustration very well at times esp. Wenger who just starts insulting the journalists and calls them all types of names. Pressure is everywhere in the PL and there is nothing wrong with Klopp getting frustrated cos well, all managers are COS of the pressure. You're losing your mojo mate. I feed off your optimism here.


11.) 14 Dec 2017 12:57:19
I thought Klopp understood the fans but the derby error shows I was mistaken. If you don't pick your strongest team in the Merseyside Derby then you'd better hope you win otherwise you've upset the fans for the season.

That's my take on it, happy to accept if I'm on my own with it though.


12.) 14 Dec 2017 13:53:59
First off, the Chelsea game; Klopp got it bang on, which is why we were beating the reigning champions with 5 minutes to go before Mignolet made the worst goal keeping error I've seen this season. Klopp's only mistake is continuing to pick Mignolet which he only does because fans bullied Karius out of the team. The rotation worked perfectly and our freshness saw us outplay Chelsea comfortably.

Onto the Everton game, Klopp picked the best team he had available. Klavan played because Matip was injured, Robertson played because Moreno was injured, Chamberlain played because Coutinho was ill, and Solanke played because Firmino was suffering from fatigue. No surprise considering he has been involved in every game except the League Cup this season, and had to be subbed vs Spartak because he looked shattered. Henderson is captain and first choice, like it or lump it. Klopp made that clear in his interviews. Can, despite his support on here, is nowhere near as good as Henderson. He is positionally inept, over plays it, and at times you can tell he wants to leave. Milner played but I'd assume that was because Gini has been terrible this season and Lallana is still injured. Some may prefer Can, but Milner had just come off the back of 3 assists against Spartak, and he presses the ball better than Can does. I expect Lallana would've been in the team instead if fit. Klopp picked the best team he had available for the derby and but for some bad decisions by both our forwards and the referee, we'd have won.

Klopp's only error in all of this is not signing a centre back in the summer, and refusing to drop Mignolet. People are literally making up reasons to moan though, instead of focusing on the actual problems at hand. If the rotation is so bad, why are we unbeaten in 11 games since we started doing it? That is the longest unbeaten run of any other English side right now, as Man City lost in the Champions League a week ago.

Why is the glass half empty for so many on here? We're joint 4th and we're playing in the last 16 in Europe for the first time since 08/ 09. Some people will never be happy. Ron, what has happened to you? 😭 you're usually so upbeat. A draw is still a point gained and it keeps the tally ticking over even when we're in bad form. Keep calm and carry on.


13.) 14 Dec 2017 14:43:18
To me Can os a overall better cm than Hendo is, i have nothing against Henderson, and i love his mentality/ workrate but Can has better pace on the ball, better shooter, much more physical and i also believe he is going to get better, while Hendo is clearly not getting any better.


14.) 14 Dec 2017 15:28:39
Not sure why your bringing another player and another team into it Brover? People have there opinion on players and I've learned to accept that over the years whether I agree with them or not. I believe klopp handled the pre derby press conference poorly, it has nothing to do with what game Henderson played in or not, there is a time for rotation and Chelsea and Sunday were not the correct times to do it, Sunday in particular because the furore it caused had a knock on effect to last night imo, and that's all it is, my opinion and I'm not trying to pass it off as fact and I'm not calling people idiots the way another poster just has, the only positive is that there are plenty of opportunities to put this right and hopefully we do. You need to learn from your mistakes, again hopefully we do.


15.) 14 Dec 2017 15:47:12
MK your really think klopp took karius out of the team because of fan pressure, your insinuating that the fans pick the team? Wow, that's a bigger insult to klopp than anything I've read on here. Karius was taken out of the limelight for his own sake as he was rivaling mignolet for incompetence, which looks to be a decent decision as he seems to have improved being eased back into the team. I'd say that with a full strength team we would have won that day, but that's just conjecture.

Were are you getting this information from about the team picked for the Derby? Because everything you have just said about firmino fatigued couthiho illness? I saw none of this mentioned before the game and seems a convenient excuse after it, just like the salah niggle hence the substitution when he had Martina on toast all game yet still played against West brom, coutinho didn't look to Ill in the tunnel after the game were he was kicking a door in frustration at the result, and your view on Can and Henderson is bordering on pontificating, you seem to be passing your opinion off as fact.

By the way MK, you can remain unbeaten all season and be relegated so unbeaten in eleven means very little, klopp has many positives and is the right man for the job and will get it right, but he like everyone else in life makes mistakes, it's how you react to mistakes that make you a top manager and I'm sure he will react in the correct manner.


16.) 14 Dec 2017 16:10:24
MK

Karius was taken out an year ago and you still think he is not ready to face the light? Lol! How about Can ( he has been on the receiving end of abuses form a long time and still keeps his place ) . Karius was taken our coz he was crap in the beginning! If the manager picks a team baased on couple of Facebook post then dear o dear!

{Ed001's Note - he was not crap unlike your support of our team.}


17.) 14 Dec 2017 16:40:16
Why is the glass currently half empty?
We've just drawn the Anfield derby against a team in absolute turmoil whilst we came off a 7-0 win.
If that wasn't disappointing enough we threw it away by playing a weakened team. Seriously? A weakened team in the derby? Never would have happened in the past.
So people come out and say well he's done that to keep the players fresh. Then we watch one of the most stale abject performances at home against a team which hasn't won for 16 matches and fail to score against them.
We're out of the league cup. We're miles behind in the league. So we're looking at FA cup or champions league win. FA cup we play Everton (hmmm not quite as confident now) and champions league needs a huge slice of luck to win.


18.) 14 Dec 2017 16:51:25
Can't believe people are comparing Klopp with Pep.
Pep's team are 18 points ahead of us after 17 games and thrashed us in the league.
Pep's team has just set a new record of 15 wins in a row.
They are top scorers in the league and have a monster goal difference. They are accelerating away from us.
They are in 4 tournaments still.

If Pep wants to drop Kompany, he has a lot of credit in the bank before anyone can criticise him.

He has also just won a derby, away from home 🤔.


19.) 14 Dec 2017 18:35:49
Ron Keague welcome to th real world. Hopefully some of the others will join it soon.


20.) 14 Dec 2017 19:48:50
Sorry fellas but for me Klopp’s error came at 3 and 4 nil v Spartak when instead of resting 2 out of Coutinho, Bobby or Mane ready for the Derby he took off Lovren? Fat lot of good that did as resting him made not a jot of difference to his concentration.
Then he got suckered into the “only play home grown in the Derby” BS and it cost us. You are not telling me that Bobby and Coutinho can’t take care of themselves in a Merseyside Derby against a pitiful Everton side that didn’t lay a glove on us in the first half.
It should have been the team that started last night get 3-0 up and then rest players for Tuesday. Last night would have suited UK players better as it was a physical game, Solanke and Ox contributions showed that. Can and Gini were awful and the pace of our play was dreadful.
We now need a winning Christmas period or we will be way off 2nd and 3rd by mid Jan.
Will be intrigued to see who starts in the FA Cup now.


21.) 14 Dec 2017 21:39:17
Spot on, MK. Sono, Firmino is suffering from fatigue as he an Salah play all the games. Cou had a knock after the Spartak game and had not trained since that Wed before the derby while Moreno was injured. With this in mind, how on earth could Klopp had played his first team vs Everton?

You guys seem to forget that lack of rotation cost us in Dec. -Feb of last season and Klopp is trying to change that and avoid this happening BUT all goes to crap suddenly cos we did not win a derby vs Everton where we were should have won handily with the team he fielded considering the injuries on the table. Yet all the points we had picked up prior (!4 out of 18) came from the same rotation policy.
As for WBA, we played our best team YET we were not good enough as we were disjointed in attack so again, cos you play your full team does not mean you will win. Let the manager do his job cos footie is not an exact science.


22.) 14 Dec 2017 21:45:57
Ron, everyone is miles behind City so not too bothered about that. Our boys were not good enough vs WBA and no one is defending that either. If you wanna compare us to City, good luck with that as you will be disapointed everyday as they are on another Solar System compared to EVERYONE else in the PL and not just us.

Our only issue is that people should stop blaming the rotation cos Klopp told us before hand that he would do that and by and large, it has worked (18 points from 24) and tho it is frustrating to not win games you should, that does not mean the rotation does not work. You cannot say that a system is great when it is working and then turn on it cos you did not win a game or two. IMO, that makes no sense.

If it was not and we had no success then I would agree. I don't as the nos, show it is working and not winning a derby or fluffing our line vs WBA, does not change any of these facts. God bless, my friend.


23.) 14 Dec 2017 23:17:14
Welcome to the real world Ron, A place where you are certain to receive stick from posters lol! I can’t belive people are crediting Pep now!


24.) 15 Dec 2017 00:03:18
For me there is "rotation" which Rafa used to do - changed his line-up 99 matches in a row- and then there is 6 changes for a derby match from a team which won 7-0.
One was expected - Karius, one was enforced - Moreno, but that still leave 4 changes out of 9 positions. That's excessive, unnecessary and ultimately counter-productive.

We fell apart last season because we lost our best player - Mane - who was the player with pace to unlock defences.


25.) 15 Dec 2017 09:04:26
Waro, no one called you names or anything like that, mate and nowhere in mky post did I project your opinion as fact. You gave your opinion, I disagreed with it and that is all. You are free to give your opinion as I am free to critique it. You say Klopp should have picked this or that player for this or that game. Neither you nor I can say that in any way possible w/ o having the info Klopp has about the players' fitness levels during the busy period.

Klopp said he is rotating and has been rotating for weeks now and we have been globally successful at it as one fluke goal and one dodgy penalty does not change the fact that we have taken more points since the Spurs debacle than any other PL team bar City. If you thought he would not rotate then that is you did that on your own as he told us all he would during this period.

You say he should play his best lineup in the derby and we should have won. Well, we were close to winning the derby w/ o our best 11 than we were vs WBA with our first 11. See how that is? Footie is not an exact science. Before the the derby, Cou had a knock (had not trained since the Spartak game) Moreno was injured and Bobbie is suffering form fatigue so with that in mind, there was NO WAY on earth Klopp would play his best team. The team he put out where one dodgy pen/ a second goal away from winning the derby so I don't see this innuendo you keep referring to as all I have posted are facts.


26.) 15 Dec 2017 10:21:48
I have a question BRover:

If Firmino is "suffering from fatigue" why did he play 72 minutes against Spartak Moscow when we were 5-0 up after 50 minutes in a game we needed to draw?
In addition, if he's too fatigued to start against Everton, why bring him on when Everton score when he's likely to over commit, and why start him against West Brom at home - a team that hasn't won for 16 matches in a row.

There's no logic to these decisions.


27.) 15 Dec 2017 22:53:16
Ron, those are the questions that you address to the manager as he is with the players and the preparation team and he has all the info on their fitness levels and how long they can play for if they are having fitness issues. You don't have that info and neither do I so asking such questions is pointless as I am not the manager. I do understand that you cannot draw conclusions based on information you do NOT have. All you can do is speculate which in the end, is not fact. Now that, is logical.


 

 

13 Dec 2017 19:37:53
Reply to brover from three days ago, didn't realise my post was shown hence I did not reply to you. I'm right behind klopp and have been from day one and continue to be so, but he got it badly badly wrong on Sunday and it was a stonewall penalty. Two questions for you, question 1.) Is klopp above any kind of criticism no matter what decisions he has made or will make in the future? 2.) If that penalty happened kop end to Salah and we didn't get it, what would you have said on this very site?

Waro

1.) 13 Dec 2017 20:30:46
Can't agree with any of your post waro. If that were the case there would be at least 5 pens every match if you watch corners. And Klopp isn't above criticism but fact is we completely dominated Everton but didn't take our chances.


2.) 13 Dec 2017 20:55:21
163 fouls a game if that's a stonewall pen.


3.) 13 Dec 2017 22:22:41
A full strength Everton? Who are you trying to convince Carragold?


4.) 14 Dec 2017 07:23:37
I agree with Waro.

It was a foul in the box plain and simple.
Saying there are hundreds of challenges like that unpunished per game is not an argument. How many shirt pulls get penalised in a game? Still doesn't stop a shirt pull in the box being a foul.


 

 

05 Feb 2017 12:13:22
Can I ask the moaners something! How did you all feel about klopp and the players after the man city game on new years eve? I ask because I didn't hear any of you moaning around that time you see, so bad results apart why have you all done a 360 and now want a new manager and another 10 players? Why did none of you voice these concerns/ opinions/ whines 36 days ago? Verruca salt generation " don't care how I want it now! "

None of you will admit this, but had a clearly offside goal at the mancs not been allowed and we'd won, or the 2 stone wall pens against Southampton been given and we were at Wembley or mignolet doing something I've never seen before at any level of football and we'd have nicked a win against Chelsea, would you be still of the same opinion that klopp should go and we are awful etc etc or would you be up the crack of klopps arse as one poster accused me of being last night?

These by the way are not excuses for our poor form at the moment but a mere point of view that the margins in football are so fine that these knee jerk reactions are totally uncalled for not at all helpful. Maybe some of you need a wee bit of perspective before posting and stop making yourselves look like media whore whiners with zero loyalty to the club they profess to love.

Waro

1.) 05 Feb 2017 12:40:42
Well said waro. the fickleness of some 'fans' drives me insane. Never happy unless their berating the players or the manager.


2.) 05 Feb 2017 13:04:48
Finally some common sense.
Makes a nice change.


3.) 05 Feb 2017 13:10:12
A lot of "what might have beens" in that statement and if they won matches we would never be beaten. I don't want ten new player's i just want the bloody ones we have to turn up. I know what they can do because i seen them doing it before Christmas. It's the point they are not stopping the rot that has fans angry.


4.) 05 Feb 2017 13:11:43
Good to see you Waro mate. Good post.


5.) 05 Feb 2017 13:13:34
I'm not going to have a go at the manager or individuals because the whole team is playing below average.
Results aside, we haven't been playing well.
We need to start games with more urgency and we need to sort our set pieces out at both ends.
That's what I'd like Kloppo to work on.


6.) 05 Feb 2017 13:40:12
Waro did you not call for Rodgers to be sacked 4 months into a new season after taking Liverpool to 2nd in the previous season? I don't see much difference really. You either support to club, the players and the manager no matter what, especially mid way in a season. I don't think you get the right to pick and choose.

{Ed001's Note - depends on if the manager is taking the club forward or not. Rodgers was a buffoon who was embarrassing and should never have been appointed. Klopp is a proven winner and the right choice, now it is just the fans embarrassing the club.}


7.) 05 Feb 2017 17:27:50
Jurgen Klop is a good coach, i believe something behind the scene is going on to make the team loose in order to criticise Klop.
We need to suport Klop and his philosophy to win something.


8.) 05 Feb 2017 18:20:11
Waro the bad form started in november bar few good results in december has continued I for one don't want him to go far from it but he has to learn witch of corse he will he's only been here 15/ 16 months the players need to sort this mentality they have against the so called lower teams and tge fans need to back there team on the pitch look how the crowd drove us on against dortmand its not called the 12 man for no reason. Now I do understand some critism but a lot is silly childish stuff. At the end of the day owners manager players fans all have improve as one cheers.


9.) 05 Feb 2017 18:40:58
Well said Waro.

I'm a sucker disappointed, frustrated and angry as the next fan, but I'm still happy we have Klopp.

Unfortunately in the last few games, those fine margins seem to be going consistently against us. I am fearful of the confidence imapct on the players, and I do believe we need a few more key first team signings in the summer.

We are not far away from consistently challenging but we need some luck to stay in the CL places or we will struggle for the players again. We don't want to get stuck in a vicious circle/ spiral as we have been for most of the last 8 years.

I honestly believe if we can get into the CL, the spiral will be upwards not downwards.


10.) 05 Feb 2017 19:08:50
Yes Irish, but that was his third season so were your getting the comparison to what's going on here I don't know, ed001 has pretty much answered your post for me, I didn't want Rodgers but gave him a chance and supported him, I said all this at the time, I said I'd give him the same support for the same length of time these owners gave Kenny and I actually tried to get behind him for longer than that.

Don't use me as a platform for you to Slag klopp off, man up and say what you feel.


11.) 05 Feb 2017 19:26:10
Im not slagging anyone off. I will stick by my opinion at the start of the season. Anything less than top 4 will be a failure in my eyes. I will stick with that thanks.


12.) 05 Feb 2017 20:11:46
So refreshing to hear a sensible realistic voice of reason Waro, I rarely post but you've summed up my thoughts 100%, back in December I was still saying that 4th would be a superb season for us, we were (now are) never going to win the league this season, even in our peak there was always Chelsea above us picking up points even when they played badly, now we're playing badly and not picking up points.

The trouble with a few (hopefully minority) Liverpool fans that post on here is that when we're winning they think we'll win the league and when we're losing (after the Southampton 2nd leg) they call radio stations and call for Klopp's head and demand he is replaced by Simeone! It makes us genuine loyal Liverpool fans look completely stupid.

Yes Klopps got flaws and yes he may be partly to blame for some things which are going wrong but this is his first full season in charge, let's give him a chance to learn from his mistakes and see how we're doing this time next year. You don't become a bad manager or a bad team overnight, it will come together again so let's not give Klopp any reason to walk away as he's the best thing to happen to the club for a long long time.


13.) 05 Feb 2017 23:02:58
Brilliant post, Waro. The fine margins of football indeed BUT the "moaners" on here have short memories and delude themselves into thinking that we are in the same league with Chelsea, a team two years removed form a PL win with the very same squad intact.

The same people scapegoated Karius for making a couple of mistakes (clearly no GK has ever done this before) in favor of a known failure in Migs. How's that working out right now? And comparing BR to Klopp need not be dignified with a response as it is that daft a comparison.


 

 

05 Oct 2016 19:12:05
Sorry about this ed001, has my post from an hour or so gone aswell now?

Waro

{Ed001's Note - still no idea sorry.}


1.) 05 Oct 2016 19:42:36
They have mate, people disrespecting Hillsborough, that's enough for me. Good luck with the site ed001. Cheers.


2.) 05 Oct 2016 20:27:37
Waro you certainly have a taste for the dramatic. let the trolls be trolls
Mate. It helps them cope with their own sad lives.


3.) 05 Oct 2016 21:04:05
The sitecis open to anyone- I think some poor quality kids pretending to be man U fans must be reading the site and just disagreeing with every sensitive post.
The disagree/ agree buttons definitely need to go, at least on the banter page.
Can we have a voting thread?
Dont let's have an anonymous button based poll- if you a view on it, write it here and let the Eds know how many of the readers are for and against the buttons.

{Ed001's Note - it is not club based as it happens on every site.}


4.) 05 Oct 2016 21:39:22
Yes but why can't we just get rid of them? Completely pointless unless u can explain eds? Do not serve any purpose whatsoever do they? Not sure what's happened but in general they cause nothing but problems and they don't achieve anything. Eds?

{Ed001's Note - then ignore them.}


5.) 05 Oct 2016 22:24:25
I'm with you on this one Waro, bit out of order that post been removed.

to the other posts, this isn't about the disagree button. i agree it's a pointless feature though but what can we do, as ed1 says. ignore it.


6.) 05 Oct 2016 22:50:39
I didn't see the offending posts but it doesn't matter which club you support, disrespecting the memories and the families of those who suffered at Hillsbrough is totally unacceptable.
That said, our fanbase needs to get its own house in order with respect to tragedies like Munich.


7.) 05 Oct 2016 23:01:28
Very true indeed Ron.


8.) 05 Oct 2016 23:23:43
Any fellow United fan disrespecting the hillsborough tragedy is scum and no fan of United, not as far as I'm concerned. Same goes to any fans disrespecting the Munich victims. Life is more important that a game of football.


9.) 06 Oct 2016 01:50:18
Was the post anything to do with the book that's getting released. End of the day it's not good to mock any tragedy or loss of life, be that sport or otherwise.


10.) 06 Oct 2016 00:07:54
Stand-United - I couldn't agree more. it's just football. this we're talking about are PEOPLES lives. some just take it a step too far.


11.) 06 Oct 2016 10:42:10
Waro and fellow Reds and Eds,

Waro mate I feel your pain : (

Hillsborough is a very emotive subject, and there are cretins everywhere who use this, purely because it is so emotive and they know they will illicit an angry response. The same for Munich, and any other tragedy regardless of whether it is at a sports venue or any sort of accident. The loss of loved ones should never be used as a means of getting at a another human being, but it is such a sad indictment of today's society that innocent deceased can be mocked so easily, without a second thought to the feelings of those who are affected the most. The dead cannot respond to such mockery, but the living will always do so against anyone tarnishing their memories to the departed. Although it is difficult to ignore, don't let these people deter you from posting, if you do, you let them win. These people have the IQ of a dead slug, they are grade A moronic keyboard warriors; to quote Mark Twain " 'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. '

Rise above this mate, Ignore the morons, you are better than this :)

Peace out to all
YNWA.


 

 

01 Oct 2016 17:50:08
I'm sure there were plenty of you moaning, come on own up. As Delia would say " let's be havin you ", if you don't own up to being a cryin b####rd then I'm asking people to name and shame. If none of you moaned then I stand corrected and apologise.

Great result, as I post yesterday, I new it would be very very difficult and so it proved, I asked for a scruffy 1-0 but I'll take 2-1 all day.

Waro

1.) 01 Oct 2016 18:12:16
I had a moan to myself at half time about playing at 60%, bet klopp had a moan too!


2.) 01 Oct 2016 18:24:04
Swansea play a brand of football perfectly suited to counter the way we play.

That's why I didn't make a prediction this week. Because In this game I saw a potential slip up, but I will never back Liverpool to lose.

This is the best result of the season so far in my opinion. We did not play particularly well, but we came back from a losing position away from home to take all 3 points. It is the games like these which win you titles. Any team can win when they are in form and everything is going right. It is when you hit a rocky patch and need to grind out results that separates the the winners from the also rans.

I wasn't moaning at half time because ever since that Dortmund game earlier this year in Europe, I always think we have a chance of coming back into any game, against any opposition.

16 points from the first 7 games would normally put you top of the table. Unfortunately though, City have had a relatively easy start with only really United and Swansea providing any kind of resistance. Hopefully they fight out a draw with Spurs so we stay 2nd but the gap to the top is closed to 3 points just before the international break.


3.) 01 Oct 2016 18:24:26
if you didn't moan at that shocking first half then something's wrong.


4.) 01 Oct 2016 19:01:16
I feared defeat and moaned about it first half!
I also moaned second half for poor defending and finishing we got away with three points Swansea missed clear clear chances!

{Ed025's Note - a win is a win mate..


5.) 01 Oct 2016 19:11:01
I moaned because in the first half we were Terrible. In the second very good but not brilliant.3 pts so let's move to the next one.


6.) 01 Oct 2016 19:12:22
No Matta you along with others on here are "moaners". You have to back the team to turn around the deficit!

Until 90 minutes have been played anything can happen. You lot seem to think the game ends at halftime with the tripe being posted on the live chat.


7.) 01 Oct 2016 19:22:18
Matt, no completely disagree, I didn't moan because apart from conceding a silly goal again I felt we were controlling the game and on the odd occasion we were getting behind them and there was some last ditch defending from them, I just wanted the ball moved quicker and I new we'd get chances it was just whether we would take them, but the point of my original post was not to moan if things didn't go our way but to wait and see how it panned out, this knee jerk reaction really angers me, we win and people like yourself revel in the result lose and you can't wait to get on here and slag them off, look up the definition of the word support and try it, you can moan as much as you like when this team and manager have had a reasonable out of time to get the results we want and if we don't then moan away.


8.) 01 Oct 2016 19:53:13
Too many doubters in the chat room today I had to leave at half time.
"Wijnaldum is ****". and offers nothing to the team.
"Karius is useless" (already)
"All the lads were on the lash last night and are still asleep"
"I believe . Swansea will win 3-0"
"No chance of getting a draw"

I was accused of being an embarrassment to LFC fans as I was too "arrogant".

Well the team won when they weren't playing well and that to me is a sign of champions.

{Ed025's Note - its the modern microwave supporters ron, instant success or nothing mate..


9.) 01 Oct 2016 19:54:35
i was obviously backing us to turn it around but I moaned to the lads about how poor we were. Like most. I don't get the point your trying to make?

Never moan at a shot display of football? Because every game I've ever been to and that's a lot most fans behave like me. So maybe you and puzzled are an exception.

I do actually read what you write waro but most on here can go wistle because they don't know their arse from their elbow.


10.) 01 Oct 2016 20:07:16
So 1-0 down at half time, playing not great and you never moaned. Never heard as much bull in my life. Only a blind person would not see we were crap in the first half. Just to add Waro your opinion is not the be all and end all thankfully.


11.) 01 Oct 2016 20:11:17
3-0 down at half time in Istanbul and I never sang YNWA so loudly in my life.
Not going to moan at 1-0 down at half time, ever.


12.) 01 Oct 2016 20:12:48
Seems different this season. Backed us to win at half time so got decent odds. Never would've had the faith to make that bet last season.


13.) 01 Oct 2016 20:22:19
Danray, your an embarrassment lad. Plastic fan, notice I didn't call you a supporter.


14.) 01 Oct 2016 20:26:32
Wow if that's true Ron (and I'm sure it is) then I hope you took a mental note of there names and pull them in the future when they try and blag that they were behind klopp and the team from day one because trust me they will.


15.) 01 Oct 2016 20:31:37
People need to get a grip, its football and an internet chat room / group, sometimes you have to take things with a pinch of salt . Stop catching feelings . People are so soft these days . You can't say boo To a goose without people crying like a little girl anymore. Criticising and pointing out the bad things in a game is part and parcel of it affraid . Can't be sweeping dirt under the carpet and papering over the cracks . Unless you name us .,


16.) 01 Oct 2016 20:35:53
No Waro mate, I didn't take note, it's not about naming and shaming for me.
Klopp wants believers, it's all he's asked from the fans from day 1. I say we give it our best shot because our manager and his team deserve at least that.
I felt really disappointed today with all the comments.


17.) 01 Oct 2016 20:52:02
1 down at half time against the swans, playing bad footy. didn't moan, not on a public forum, but I was wondering where my football team from the previous few weeks went. Normally I would moan about an international break, but this one seems to come at a good time for us, the lads looked drained in the first half and a break might do them good.


18.) 01 Oct 2016 20:57:37
Your a bigger man than me Ron, I'd be giving them hell but then again I'm an argumentative sod but I think you already new that mate didn't you haha.


19.) 01 Oct 2016 21:04:15
Ron. I really like you mate! But I love your optimism YNWA MATE.


20.) 01 Oct 2016 21:10:38
I don't think anyone could doubt the strength of your character Waro, don't worry about that mate. I'm not the bigger man but appreciate the sentiment. 😎

Glad for the international break, just hope we don't pick up any injuries. Can't wait to give it to the Mancs, we owe them after last season's smash and grab!
I think the Manc game could be the making of Karius and Wijnaldum 🏆.


21.) 01 Oct 2016 21:13:10
Think you said we would finish 8th this season Connectlogic? 😉.


22.) 01 Oct 2016 22:55:21
That was me who said 8th -13th and could still happen 😭.


23.) 02 Oct 2016 03:55:02
It's just toxic from both sides tbh.


24.) 02 Oct 2016 08:49:35
Over course of the season I'm sure there will be more games like yesterday, we won't be at our swashbuckling best all of the time, so I think some folk need to be prepared for that.

Yes we were poor first half, yes people are entitled to their opinions and have a moan, were we all not happy after grinding our the result!

Really goood win IMO.


 

 

 

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19 May 2017 14:17:52
Got a text late last night about VVD, don't shoot the messenger, but apparently the club are happy to say nothing about the link to him but have zero interest in the player, there looking at it helping them muddy the waters about other transfer targets, I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist.

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17 May 2017 18:34:02
I've messaged him today about any info on VVD, but had no reply as of yet, if he knows anything I'll post it.

Waro

 

 

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17 May 2017 11:32:26
Thought I'd pass it on as I don't normally get transfer target info from him, just team news and injuries, I'm not sure about it to be honest as were overloaded with midfielders I thought it'd be a defender he'd be telling me about, but time will tell.

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01 Aug 2016 16:21:36
Cheers ed023 and MK. Just can't be bothered having to defend myself when I'm simply passing on what I've heard.

No you don't have to expect criticism at all wayne, there's nothing in my post controversial or criticising anyone or anything so you can just hit disagree and move on, it's people who can't wait to shout down what your saying but when your proved correct never come back and say "fair play, that bit of info was correct"! They'll just wait for the next time you post anything to hit you with the same replys, I could have just ignored it but it just comes across as jealousy for some strange reason ( that they don't like the fact that you no people at the club) I was a steward on the paddock annie Rd and the tunnel for several years in the nineties so this may help you understand were I get some info from, obviously unless I'm lying about that also.

Don't worry annie I won't be putting the teams up, I pretty much (with the odd exception) packed that in midway through last season and I'll be sticking to that this season.

Waro

 

 

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01 Aug 2016 14:23:16
Wavy, I was reluctant as I've explained but having seen the amount of posts asking the eds about left backs I thought I'd tell people what I heard even though it was last week because I thought it would have been reported by now that we're going with milner at left back, but it hasn't been reported via the media as sid has said, I don't go on social media so if it's been on there then fair enough you will consider it old news but I'm not on twitter or Facebook so I wouldn't have seen it, but by the amount of posts on hear asking about amavi and hector etc suggested to me it hasn't, but I stand corrected if it has, I was just trying to put people in the picture because they keep asking the question.

Anything I get told from now on I'll keep away from this site because I can't be arsed responding to people who don't believe anything that doesn't come from the eds. So feel free to respond anyway you like, some of the older posters will tell you that some of the info I've posted the past has been relatively accurate.

I posted last season that sturridge was injured in training before spurs away, it wasn't on any media site and I received similar responses and worse as these replys today and I swore I wouldn't bother again, I should have stuck to what I said then and I definitely will from now on.

Waro

{Ed023's Note - Waro, you will always have keyboard warriors who will spout negativity towards anyone supplying info. It is hard but just ignore them, your knowledge is very valuable to this page so keep posting}


 

 

 

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18 Dec 2017 12:59:15
It's a little hard to have sympathy with a fella on a hundred grand a week who is totally incompetent at his job! If he was going through a down turn in form then you stick with him and try and encourage to get him back to his level, sadly his level since we signed him has been rock bottom, i think he's uncoachable as he can't even do the basics right, stuff your taught as a school boy. Not his fault, if your poor your poor, but 100k a week is great for him awful for the rest of us.

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18 Dec 2017 12:58:52
As a footnote, definitely not VVD. Most overrated CH in the league.

Waro

 

 

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18 Dec 2017 12:57:58
Regardless of yesterday, our centre half's are just not good enough, and it urgently needs addressing over the next two transfer windows. Fair enough, there's no need to keep highlighting there faults, but they eventually are all going to have to go.

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15 Dec 2017 09:03:31
It was a while ago MK but don't you remember a debate you and I had about him, and stated that he was world class and (I'm paraphrasing) you said he was a very good keeper but no way was he world class. Your on here quite a lot MK so probably don't remember it, so I'll let you off 😂😂. I agree by the way that mignolet should be replaced by karius, but long term I don't think he's the answer, hope I'm proved wrong though.

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14 Dec 2017 15:51:33
The same De Gea you said wasn't world class MK? Not sure goalkeeping critiques are your strong suit kid.

Waro