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09 Jun 2017 13:47:06
The owners are in for a tough time in the next few months, trust me!


1.) 09 Jun 2017 13:56:55
Why? Happy to trust you if you shed some light as to how you know this.

2.) 09 Jun 2017 14:17:03
Why shld we trust you? Or are you personally going to give them a hard time?

3.) 09 Jun 2017 14:21:12
And so they should seein they are ultimately responsible if staff are draggin the clubs name through the mud.

4.) 09 Jun 2017 14:22:13
The thing is they would have to pick between how serious they are in running the football club in buying the best players for serious money or sticking to their pathetic money ball ideology with the risk of we lacking behind in winning trophies for the club.

5.) 09 Jun 2017 14:29:08
Spirit of Shankly are planning again TIA19.

6.) 09 Jun 2017 14:53:36
Oh my god. Lallana the reason no ed commented is because they have probably shot themselves.

Moneyball ideology? Jesus christ. We are one of the biggest spenders is world football. We didn't pull out of vvd for money reasons, but becsuse we approached the deal ass backwards. Same as salah, that's pending an investigation.

There was no worries from the owbers when spending 100 mil for the king, 200 mil for brendan or 80 mil for klopp.

Firmino, lallana, lovren, mane, wij where bought for about 140 mil.

Get a grip and stop watching stupid films and then spending your time basig your ideaology on them.

The money ball system was never about savung money because there cheap bastards but with abit more care and detail you can build a better team thay just spending millions.

Even chelsea are at that juncture.

Wheras city have yet to learn.

Tottenham have learned it.

United havent.

Leicster learned it.

We havent.

You can always spend money but for example its not always the big shiny names but the ones that will fit your team better.

{Ed001's Note - Moneyball is a lie anyway, it never existed and if people took the time to read up they would know it is nonsense.}

7.) 09 Jun 2017 15:45:19
What's the plan waro? You and the other goons planning a protest? Meet in the pub and brain storm how you can infiltrate the club and run it yourself?! God. it's tiresome. Zzzz.

8.) 09 Jun 2017 19:15:58
It will harm the club.

9.) 09 Jun 2017 20:13:08
You know effective scouting can find players that are much cheaper and not found yet, I think we got some Brazilian lad like that. what's his name again?
Or we can go the Labour route and spend spend spend and let the club go bankrupt! Sorry for that Labour voters.
FSG have spent big, they have invested - the sums for players are huge now and getting bigger.

10.) 09 Jun 2017 20:39:12
Waro you can't just up and spend 800m on players, you have to balance the books, unless you want us to go into administration. You and the other members of the SOS have to realise that FSG are doing a good job, they are putting in their own money and you should know that given your access to Ed002's wealth of knowledge. Please get out of La la land and realise that if you charge into FSG's office with swords and take over the club, the glory days won't suddenly return, football has changed and we are on the backfoot commercially. We have a talented squad and success should return under the helm of Judgen Klopp, you SOS lot will do nothing but make that process more difficult. I don't suppose any of you have 100m hidden in the back of your couch? If not, stop causing unnecessary conflict and support your club.

11.) 09 Jun 2017 23:50:53
I have a great deal of time for Waro but believe he will only be happy when the club is owned by fans living in liverpool and nobody outside of that are allowed to have tickets ( he seems to forget that most of them will tout the tickets out, which is evident on match days) it's about time all the groups opposed to FSG just stopped moaning and actually supported the club, their agenda is miss guided in my opinion.

12.) 10 Jun 2017 15:30:31
Excellent post SuperMane. That's an eye opener for all who are miles away from reality. The club should not and would not be held ransom. Salah not in million years is worth what Roma is asking for ( reported €40 mill ) would Chelsea even touch him for that price?
Falling for Waro would make you completely hatter towards FSG.



16 May 2017 20:52:11
I've been told today by someone who normally gives me decent information that Max Meyer is to be seriously persued this summer champions league or not.


1.) 16 May 2017 22:04:08
Thanks for the info waro.

I'm not sure he's good enough though, fairly poor return on goals and assists. Hasn't really kicked on this year as many would have hoped.

2.) 16 May 2017 22:58:24
Thanks for sharing Waro. Meyer is a decent player, but has not kicked on like Brandt or Sane has, but he is versatile, and can play wide or in central midfield in a 3 as an attacking player.

3.) 16 May 2017 23:01:58
Gareth Bale is coming too.

Thanks for the info Waro 👍.

4.) 17 May 2017 11:32:26
Thought I'd pass it on as I don't normally get transfer target info from him, just team news and injuries, I'm not sure about it to be honest as were overloaded with midfielders I thought it'd be a defender he'd be telling me about, but time will tell.

5.) 17 May 2017 13:34:55
Hard to judge him as he is used as a squad player. 2 goals and 5 assists in 1600 odd minutes according to stat sites. Hardly poor for a 21 year old attacking midfielder.

It's his all around game and his potential that you pay for, and that is excellent. For me, it spells the end for someone. Look at all the young attacking midfield players we have; Ojo, Wilson, Brannagan, Ejaria, Woodburn, Grujic, Kent and even Arnold to some extent. Meyer though to be fair is probably better than all of them excluding Grujic, Arnold and Woodburn. So perhaps if we were to sell/ loan Brannagan, Ojo, Wilson, Ejaria and Kent it makes sense. We do need to improve our squad depth and Meyer is a player who doesn't mind being a squad player. He seems level headed enough to understand that is his current level, despite his enormous potential. Could be good business.

6.) 17 May 2017 13:47:34
Good points by MK, the kid burst out into the scene at a very early age, and has much room for development. However, I would be worried about his position, since he was seen as an alternative to Brandt, the much-coveted LW option for our squad. I admit to not watching much of Meyer, but I always had the impression his position was a bit unclear, but seen as more central. That would make him a good back-up for the periods when Couts is out injured or needs a rest, but would not offer the speed and directness that a genuine LW could bring?

7.) 17 May 2017 15:14:40
He's very versatile Drigan. I've seen him play Right midfield, attacking midfield, right wing, second striker and even centre mid. Weirdly enough though, I've never seen him play on the left.

As you say, I don't think his eventual position has been decided yet. His touch and movement is fantastic though. He can link play up no matter where he plays.

8.) 17 May 2017 18:34:57
Not sure he's an improvement on what we have though.

He wouldn't displace Couts, lallana, wiji or Emre.

I also don't think he's much better than Wilson or Grujic our current 2 young midfielders waiting for game time.

9.) 17 May 2017 18:34:02
I've messaged him today about any info on VVD, but had no reply as of yet, if he knows anything I'll post it.

10.) 17 May 2017 18:52:33
If hardly count playing right mid and right wing as versatile mk ;)

11.) 17 May 2017 19:24:30
Of course it is Fencey. Playing on the right of a midfield is much much defensively demanding than playing on the right of a forward line. A lot of forward players (Pedro for instance) have to be played as a dedicated wide forward because they can't or won't track back.

I get what you mean though. In an attacking sense, your role doesn't really change except that right wingers are expected to contribute more goals.

Really not sure people can put Wilson in the same bracket as Meyer by the way. I like Wilson but Meyer is a first team squad player who makes nearly 30 appearances a season for 3 years running. Wilson has had 20 minutes off the bench unless you include a few failed loan moves in sub-par leagues.

Meyer is potentially world class and could be an excellent long term replacement for Coutinho or Lallana; as Coutinho may well leave to go to Barcelona eventually, and Lallana is getting on for 30 years old and also isn't really that great anyway.

It is about long term investment sometimes. Chelsea didn't sign Zouma to instantly play every game. He is a long term project. A player with immense potential who they have brought in to be moulded into exactly what they need when the likes of Terry and Cahill are gone.

12.) 18 May 2017 18:39:00
Brandt is way ahead of him and has been since the Olympics last summer were both along with Sule were very good.

13.) 19 May 2017 14:17:52
Got a text late last night about VVD, don't shoot the messenger, but apparently the club are happy to say nothing about the link to him but have zero interest in the player, there looking at it helping them muddy the waters about other transfer targets, I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist.



17 Apr 2016 11:18:23
Don't know if it's already been posted but the team as I'm lead to believe is


Just what I've been text this morning, thought some of you may be interested.


1.) 17 Apr 2016 11:35:45
Lots of pace.

2.) 17 Apr 2016 11:57:42
Nice one Waro - wierdly I was also told about this team sheet by a friend and it's exactly the same so let's see eh.

3.) 17 Apr 2016 11:58:45
I hope not! can't expect to make that many changes and win?

4.) 17 Apr 2016 12:03:28
Nice. I like the idea of 2 very experienced centre backs to help out Randall and Smith. A very quick attacking unit!

5.) 17 Apr 2016 12:19:41
No Flannagan?

6.) 17 Apr 2016 12:29:28
Was thinking the same is flanno injured?

7.) 17 Apr 2016 12:42:08
I like the adventurous spirit but looks like 4-2-3-1 with Stewart and Allen at base of midfield which I'm not sure suits Allen. he's going to need to be disciplined as with a very young attack we can expect them to lose possession a few times. Would also have preferred to see Flanno but let's see.

Interesting to see how Ibe, Ojo, Firmino and Sturridge get along, should be lot of fun and wouldn't want to be in their defence right now. Hope the youngsters have a great game and will be interesting to see how Ibe has gotten along out of the spotlight.

8.) 17 Apr 2016 12:47:30
Must admit, I hate to shoot players down and whenever they play I will support them fully but I personally don't see anything about Connor Randall that makes me think he has a future at the club. Seen him on enough occasions now to make a judgement and he is way down the pecking order behind Clyne and Flanno.

{Ed001's Note - he did grow into his appearances though, which suggests there is more to come if he gets a run of games.}

9.) 17 Apr 2016 15:36:28
aha maybe you were right ed, thought he was much improved today, showed a lot more pace than i've seen from him.

10.) 17 Apr 2016 16:49:42
The pace of Ibe and Ojo also meant we still had plenty of in Attack so all round a smart choice, giving Ibe and Ojo the opportunity to run at the defence which the did well.

11.) 17 Apr 2016 22:52:48
I love what Klopp is doing. He is building a squad mentality into this team as in, no matter who or what team plays, He expects that player or team to perform and do the job. That is what we saw today. All the boys played solidly as a unit and I was delighted with that. There are no first teamers in his eyes so people especially the lazy journalists asking dumb questions, need to get used to it.

He will play who he thinks is good enough for that game and most importantly, If you get picked, you go out there and perform or you'll be back on the bench and good luck, end of.

12.) 19 Apr 2016 08:31:31
HX I completely agree. I haven't seen anything of Randall to understand his involvement in the first team. Seems way out of his dept.



29 Nov 2015 12:09:26
This is the team I've just received,

mignolet Clyne Skrtel Lovren Moreno

Milner Allen can Ibe Lallana



1.) 29 Nov 2015 15:08:19
Perfect chance for Lallana and Milner to step up and make their presence felt. Good to see how the team gets on without our Brazilians.

2.) 29 Nov 2015 15:18:33
Sturridge and Hendo on the bench!

3.) 29 Nov 2015 15:20:26
5 british players. wow.

4.) 29 Nov 2015 15:45:27
I don't think you're right on this one mate. Firmino looks like he'll start.

5.) 29 Nov 2015 15:49:37
Firmino playing, Allen is not.



21 Nov 2015 11:29:12
Mignolet Clyne Skrtel Lovren Moreno lucas Can Milner Coutinho Lallana firmino.

That's what I've just received, but again it's not from my usual info so hopefully this lad redeems himself.


1.) 21 Nov 2015 11:51:02
Cheers Waro.

2.) 21 Nov 2015 12:01:37
No benteke?

3.) 21 Nov 2015 12:32:32
Don't moan Firminio means a start for you ;)

4.) 21 Nov 2015 14:36:11
No striker, no chance! 😢.

5.) 21 Nov 2015 16:04:40
Yeah firmino just like at Chelsea 😕.

6.) 21 Nov 2015 16:44:10
Spot on waro, thanks for the info mate.

7.) 21 Nov 2015 19:35:01
Fancy changing your comment firmnio?

8.) 21 Nov 2015 20:09:06
Firmino played well but should of banged two away!

9.) 21 Nov 2015 20:50:53
Thought just the same Marshy, however many may have had the same concerns before the game.

I am a fan of Firmino and he is beginning to truly show his worth now he has a few games under his belt.

Great display and graft from the whole team, thank you.

10.) 22 Nov 2015 13:17:21
for me firmino is getting used to the pace of the prem and with each game he is getting better and looking better, it was his best game yet and i really like him plus i think once he gets a grip on the prem he will start playing like he did for his last club Hoff i can't wait could he be our new luis suarez, i hope so :) )

11.) 23 Nov 2015 17:25:06
He's had two really good games for us, city and Chelsea away, hopefully he can't continue to be Able to Bring it in big games.

12.) 24 Nov 2015 13:47:55
To be fair if you bought a car and it broke down every week at some point you would you consider it a waste of resources and sell it. Sturridge for me is at the last chance saloon, if he can't stay fit until the end of the season (and perform) then he has to go in my opinion.




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04 Feb 2018 01:40:07
Just a quick question for the regular crew, how many of you genuinely believe the owners didn't want to sell couthinho but had every intention of buying a replacement in January? I'd appreciate it if you could answer not from the point of defending these owners but purely as your opinion only. 100% opinions either way would be appreciated.


1.) 04 Feb 2018 02:28:18
I think they wanted the money and had no intention of buying a new replacement especially after we beat City.
In my opinion they only bought VVD because Phil was leaving and then pocketed the rest.

{Ed001's Note - your opinion is nonsense. The two events are unrelated.}

2.) 04 Feb 2018 02:52:20
I think klopp decided to sell klopp after coming to the conclusion that coutinho would be more trouble than helpful if we maade him stay. Then there were players to buy but the prices being asked were not worth dipping into the market again.

3.) 04 Feb 2018 03:06:51
Why did he have to be replaced? How do you replace ~150 million in talent? There are other That need strengthening more anyways. It was January. let’s move on.

4.) 04 Feb 2018 04:17:31
Im sure they were happy to make a few millions profit on an unhappy Coutinho and would have thrown a juicy chunk of it right back at Klopp if there was a suitable player available.
Coutinho was desperate to leave, LFC got way more than he was worth imo. The timing wasnt the best but aside from that a good deal all round.

5.) 04 Feb 2018 04:27:58
I suspect the club brought in Ox partly because they knew Coutinho was likely to leave and so depending the squad made sense. While I believe they would have liked to bring in someone else in Jan, they certainly didn't feel any need to panic buy if their primary targets weren't available, and I fully expect someone to come in over the summer.

I also think you're taking this far too literally, there are lots of other players in the team, it's not always necessary (or possible) to replace like for like. especially someone with Coutinho's quality. They certainly aren't viewing this as pocketing the difference.

6.) 04 Feb 2018 05:05:22
I think if klopp felt that the player he wanted this window Was available then the club would have backed him. Just as Barcelona had to wait another 6 months for couts we may have to do the same . I’d rather do that than have the club held to ransom with massive inflated fees.

7.) 04 Feb 2018 05:30:33
I believe a lot of what we see is PR so supporters believe the club fought hard to keep one of their best players. I think the club reluctantly sold Coutinho because he was determined to go to Barcelona, but the agreement to sell him was made long before the public knew. Same as with Van Dijk.

I also think we would've got Keita and maybe Lemar in if it was possible and at the right price.

8.) 04 Feb 2018 05:43:05
Someone mentioned Ox, that is a great shouy actually. His signig was questioned as being surplus to requirements, but when you think about it he has basically taken coutinhos cm / wing role.

9.) 04 Feb 2018 07:48:16
Attacking options we have minus Coutinho:

Milner, Ox, Firmino, Mane, Salah, Ings, Solanke, Lallana and Gini.

That is already 9 players without Coutinho which Klopp can make use of from our first team squad for our attack at this point.

Keita will arrive this coming summer who most probably is Coutinho's replacement.

So does that mean that Klopp had to go spend a ridiculous amount on another player to cover for Coutinho until the end of the season? Can is leaving end of the season so expect Klopp to sign another CM in the summer.

We already have a massive squad and LFC cannot afford anymore panic buys. Klopp was looking to add another CM in January which the Ed's were making known. Klopp also made it very clear that if it does not make financial sense to buy in January then he will wait for the summer. Seems perfectly logic to me and the last thing we want surely is another manager like Brendan who could not give a crap about how much of LFC's money was being wasted on filling the squad up to the brim with players he hardly ever used.

And once again, just because Coutinho was sold for one massive amount does not mean LFC are sitting with that massive amount in their account as Coutinho will be repaid in installments like majority of transfer deals are done and Coutinho is going to be repaid over many years.

The VVD deal is also costing the club and arm and leg. You can bet Southampton requested one hell of an upfriont payment for VVD. I doubt Coutinho's upfront payment from Barcelona was nowhere near what Southamton held us ransom to for VVD.

I really do hope that the VVD deal as well as the Keita deal will be the final lesson for LFC to start acting with compentence in the transfer market.

10.) 04 Feb 2018 08:01:53
Hi Waro,

I believe they intended to replace him if the option was there and I genuinely believe that. I think if they were just interested in pocketing the money they could have sold him last summer instead and I also believe if they sold him without the intention of replacing, klopp would be absolutely livid. They were happy to buy Van Dijk in the summer had klopp not messed that up with his tapping up and had already committed to pay a huge fee for keita in the summer too.

11.) 04 Feb 2018 08:51:47
I don't believe they intended on really replacing him this January as the prices for the calibre of players we want is still really high, it's even more difficult to negotiate and gets deals over the line in January, and I think the club has some ideas about who they will move for in the summer. I think Coutinho was sold as the situation was becoming too toxic as to be tenable - I don't think there is much more to it than that.

12.) 04 Feb 2018 09:05:15
Some people talk as though Barcelona gave us cash in a suitcase, and FSG split it into two. A section to cover the costs of Virgil, and the rest got put on a plane to Boston 😂

Finances are too complicated in football and besides, Virgil signed before Coutinho. Our owners are highly successful businessmen. Do you really think they'd she'll out a world record fee for Virgil before the Coutinho deal had gone through, if they were in this for profit? If Coutinho had suffered a huge injury or had a change of heart, and their intentions were to make a profit, they'd have been screwed.

Forget about reinvesting money and replacements. FSG invest a bloody fortune, regardless of who we sell, and that should be that. Only Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona and PSG have a more expensive record signing than Liverpool. Just let that sink in.

13.) 04 Feb 2018 09:27:04
I don’t think it really is an issue for “the owners”.
I don’t think FSG make strategic decisions about transfers without discussing it with Klopp. I genuinely believe if Klopp has said “don’t sell for any price” they would have backed him.
In reality, as Ed001 has mentioned, players control transfers these days usually via their agents. If a player decides he wants to go there is little the club can do to stop them. They can drop the player and fine him 2 weeks wages. Big deal! In the past players needed their wage to survive, these days if you play for a season you’re made for life (at Coutinho’s level) . I think Klopp would have known there is an optimum time to sell and keeping him beyond this window was counter-productive.

As for a replacement, again I think FSG leave it largely up to Klopp to strategise. By January we were realistically out of the title race, we went out of the domestic cups so only had top 4 and the CL to play for. Most players at Coutinho’s level would be cup tied for the CL. So that leaves top 4. So Klopp has asked the question - “do we need to pay January prices for a replacement to get top 4”? I think the answer is balanced firmly towards the negative.

14.) 04 Feb 2018 09:21:26
Cheers for the replies, can't say I agree with most of them especially zimbo and max, but it's about opinions at the end of the day. Fingers and toes crossed for a win today.

15.) 04 Feb 2018 09:48:09
I believe the club took the offer as keeping couts could of been counterproductive and disruptive to the squad. They (Klopp and the owners) wanted a replacement but weren't going to be held to ransom for one.

16.) 04 Feb 2018 10:08:24
Salah was signed and then the ox. Both play in similar position couts did. With kieta coming too I think its already covered. Id be concentrating on a deeper position likw a alonso type of player. Hard ti find but eved hopeful.

17.) 04 Feb 2018 10:11:02
Woro you must really hate fsg!
But anyways, imo fsg are trying to do the best they can for the club. The edds have stated the situation with the player for over a year and it was only a matter of time before he left.
Although it's still fresh im over couts leaving. Im ok with not buying a replacement aswell. When couts played with the other 3 attacker's it was all a little bit go for broke type of football imo. We obviously couldn't feasibly bring in lamar or whoever else so we should all just be patient and see what the summer brings.
We will be ok. No conspiracies here.

18.) 04 Feb 2018 10:08:46
Disagree MK, I think that's why he went in the January window because the owners spent the van dijk money straight away and put in place the keita deal because a deal with Barcelona was in principle agreed, klopp said we couldn't sell couthinho in the summer because there wasn't enough time to find a replacement (which contradicts a poster above saying the ox was his replacement) yet he's sold in the January with even less chance to find a replacement, this makes no sense if the owners didn't want to sell, this to me all points to a sell to buy policy with Barcelona giving a now or never ultimatum to the club.

I no longer put us in the massive club bracket, were in the spurs and dare I say Everton bracket now, with the real top clubs cherry picking our best players. Salah is already gone for me, and I think you can see it in his body language and who can blame him because he like couthinho can see were we are as a football club, happy with a top 4 challenge ala arsenal every season, read torres' book, that's why he wanted out and I believe him.

19.) 04 Feb 2018 10:21:29
Without getting into the whys and wherefores of the entire business, I’m just wondering on the point that people say he would have been a distraction to keep him. With the World Cup at the end of the year would that not have kept his performance level up, at least enough to warrant a place in our 1st team even if people felt he wasn’t at his very best? Or do we dwell too much on it being a world cup year so he’d have to play.

20.) 04 Feb 2018 10:27:14
That book any good waro?

21.) 04 Feb 2018 10:32:52
Haven’t our top players always been potentially cherry picked Waro?
Keegan, Souness, Rush, McManaman, Owen, Torres, Suarez.

I even remember Barnes being strongly touted for Juve and Gerrard was tempted by Chelsea.

There have always been richer clubs than LFC who have been able to tempt our top players. It’s not an FSG phenomenon by any means.

22.) 04 Feb 2018 10:48:57
I was reading something where Liverpool have made the most money in Europe from selling players over the past few years. It's great business. But we're not going to challenge for the Prem that way. I think under these owners we are a selling club.
We buy talented players that will turn world class, then when they reach potential, we cash in.

23.) 04 Feb 2018 10:51:28
We seemed to be chasing Griezmann and Lamar in the jan window so looks like there was money to be spent.

24.) 04 Feb 2018 11:08:57
I don't agree that we are a selling club. We are an unsuccessful club, no trophies and very little Champions League. Change that and we have more revenue and players will possibly hang around longer.

25.) 04 Feb 2018 11:49:49
Actually agree with Rover, our complete lack of success has to be a big reason for both players leaving and other players not wanting to join.
1985Mikey, but we’re we actually looking to sign those players or was that just a PR episode to placate fans for a month.

26.) 04 Feb 2018 12:19:44
If Greizman was a PR stunt then it would have been dealt with in the public eye but the press never once reported of us actually bidding for him or really being in talks.

27.) 04 Feb 2018 13:18:35
Hamburg a top club Ron? Sampdoria a top club? Keegan and Souness went for the money, Rush was part of the peace process and trying to build bridges with juventus as the player at the time didn't really want to go and had to be talked into the move, macmanaman went because he wasn't happy about being pushed toward Barcelona Ron and I know that for a fact because I know a few of his family as he grew up on county road, he was a furious and basically said up yours I'll let my contract run down and go were I want. Owen went for money Barnes and Gerrard may have been tempted but didn't leave, and torres has stated his reasons in his autobiography as I've stated, so totally disagree with you Ron, this for me is solely about the current owners business model. Which our trophy hall and champions league apperances since they bought the club back up what I'm saying imo.

28.) 04 Feb 2018 14:22:02
Fact is Waro, they were all our top players and they all went, they were all cherry picked.



09 Jan 2018 00:21:12
So according to barcas vice president, they can't reveal the figures but Liverpool gave us a significant discount, now why would Liverpool do that? Maybe they just liked the player so much they wanted to knock money off for him to get his move. Well that was very nice of them wasn't it. Come on then FSG sympathisers explain that one! 🤔.


1.) 09 Jan 2018 00:55:57
Are you being serious?

Are you honestly taking the Barcelona Presidents empty words as truth?

Of course he is going to tell his fans, and in extenstion other members of the club, that he managed to negotiate a deal at a lower cost then what is being reported. It makes him look better. This is about his own image, the world knows that he was forced to pay £142 million pounds because Liverpool played hardball, but he wants to deny that. Pretend that he was the man in control of the situation, dictating terms etc, when, in actuality, Liverpool named a price and Barcelona accepted without reservation.

End of the day all parties got what they wanted, or at least deemed acceptable. Barcelona got Coutinho, a player with fantastic quality, and Liverpool got a big transfer fee in exchange. Now, it is up to us to spend it correctly and to strengthen areas where we have been lacking. I. e. Goalkeeper being a huge must.

2.) 09 Jan 2018 01:18:28
Behave. They're saying that to hype couts up. When in fact if anything they've over paid imo.

{Ed0333's Note - you seriously think they’ve overpaid mate? He’s one of the few players on the planet that has real magic in his boots and none of that Lukaku magic I mean proper magic. If anything I think they’ve got a good deal we could and should have got more.

3.) 09 Jan 2018 01:34:19
It is simple. In the summer the price quoted was 200 million Euros but the Liverpool board said they would deal at a piffling, measley, insignificant 160 million Euros this time around. LFC were never going to get 200 million Euros and they knew it, but they did get 160 million this time around. In Barca's eyes that was the discount. Or in general speak, being reasonable.

4.) 09 Jan 2018 01:48:23
Yeah because the Barcelona Vice President has nothing that gain by bending the truth a little, he has club members he has to justify his spending too, it’s much easier to justify spending £145 million if you claim you got the player for less than you could have done. I can’t believe you are gullible enough to believe that story.

5.) 09 Jan 2018 02:07:23
Maybe we knocked of 20mil, who knows and who cares. that's just another 20mil for the likes of u to conplain about.

6.) 09 Jan 2018 02:13:00
Seriously? . 2nd most highest transfer of all time and they got a discount? You believe that crap? It's called saving face since for the critics.

7.) 09 Jan 2018 03:02:22
Ed. Someone's just paid 143m for a footballer. Of course they've over paid.

{Ed001's Note - fair point. Unless it was me of course.}

8.) 09 Jan 2018 04:36:11
Ed001 you’re only second to the king himself.

That is, king balotelli. 😋.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair the Lord above, obviously I refer to Bendtner there, is close on my heels.}

9.) 09 Jan 2018 04:54:45
Wasn't the fee for Suarez considerably less than reported at the time he was sold?

10.) 09 Jan 2018 03:56:05
You're priceless mate.

{Ed001's Note - can't argue with that.}

11.) 09 Jan 2018 08:04:46
Completely overpaid in my opinion the football world has gone mad caused by 3 clubs.

12.) 09 Jan 2018 08:13:00
We've definitely let him go on the cheap. Should've been closer to £200m.

13.) 09 Jan 2018 08:32:53
Don't worry LiverpoolFC8, FSG will get that for Salah, problem solved.

14.) 09 Jan 2018 08:35:33
Would have been interesting if he has an outstanding World Cup, I think that value would have rocketed. On a side note, 2 years ago he’d have gone for what, £50mil? Back then you question the economic value to the club as finishing top 4 etc etc was financially comparable etc, but like when saints sell VVD you think good money but not if you go down. These fees now like Coutinho, they’re worth (financially) way more than their performance on the pitch I am presuming. I know that’s not what the game is about but it’s an interesting turn of events.

15.) 09 Jan 2018 09:29:25
Man Utd set this in motion when they paid £90m for an only good player, in Pogba. That has to go down as the worst deal in history when you look at how shocking they are creatively and at dominating possession in midfield. Real Madrid have always been Real Madrid (and to be fair, James Rodriguez aside, their big money buys have usually been world class players at the time of signing), but they now have United, Barcelona, PSG, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Juventus all throwing around £70m+ figures like it's nothing. It's absolutely bonkers. We should just be happy that our owners have recognised the major shift in the market and are prepared to back us big time so we can continue to compete. We have the world record defender at our club now!

{Ed002's Note - You all need to stop quoting figures that are in just about every case wrong for the transfer fees and the overall cost of the transfers.}

16.) 09 Jan 2018 12:50:02
This some sort of conspiracy Waro? It’s all because FSG secretly want the club to fall apart (oh wait they saved us from going under)

I’m not sure what you’re looking for Waro but this FSG blind bashing is pathetic. Get a grip. Of course Barce are going to say they got a good deal. They’re not going to say “liverpool just ripped us off but we paid that much from the bottom of our hearts. ”

Then again I’m not surprised coming from you. Maybe we should’ve held coutinho ransom? 300 billion or he will never play football again!

And one last thing. “Comon fsg sympathizers explain that”. What is your explanation? You think they’re just horrid negotiators, even though they’re not responsible for the negotiations?

You really should see a therapist. You only pop on here to have a go at something. Calm down.

17.) 09 Jan 2018 12:51:15
Are you for real Waro? It seems you've never heard of politics. Maybe, and bear with me a second here, just maybe it's Barcelona who could be full of the bull. Appeasing fans, securing votes mean anything to you? I may have missed some sort of joke here but support your club, you seem like a waste of a ticket to me.

18.) 09 Jan 2018 12:52:57
Waro give it a rest mate i think your a decent bloke but this has to stop mate, come on they will say anything when they paid well over the odds for coutinho in first place.
We will end up a better team now he is gone I understand your upset about the whole thing but personally he is just another player.
I wrote something the other day he didn't do for us that gerrard did or
Lamps did for Chelsea or
Kanye did for Leicester and Chelsea or
Scholes for united or
Viera for the gunners let it go when we challenge for the title next yr it will be Phillip who mate.

19.) 09 Jan 2018 12:53:30
Barca's vice president said the same about Suarez when they bought him. It seems it's his way of trying to get the fans to like him.
Perhaps it's not true.

Waro, you are usually saying that FSG are only in it to make money, so probably best you explain why they would they sell a prize asset on the cheap?

20.) 09 Jan 2018 12:54:38
They can't reveal the figures because it was a lie waro. Madrid hid away the true figure for bale, Barcelona did the same with neymar. It will likely place them under investigation of financial fair play spending this much in such a short space of time. I tell you what isn't a lie, the £75 million we have payed for van dijk, the £50 million we have payed for keita, the £90 million we are likely to offer for lemar at some point. Barcelona are just trying to keep their fans and suits happy, and you're lapping up a message that was not intended for you.

21.) 09 Jan 2018 12:55:11
Waro I heard the same thing, apparently the price was 180mn if money was paid in euros and 142mn if paid in coupons redeemable at Southampton FC.

22.) 09 Jan 2018 12:56:06
No, we've got better end of deal. Coutinho go missing against big teams and when pressured. Missing vs Seville 3-3 So much he had be sub out to stem the tide. He is good player but not at class of Suarez. Price we had gotten kinda add in the losses we made in Suarez sale.

23.) 09 Jan 2018 12:58:10
Please re-read his comments without your anti-FSG specs on Waro.

The reason he said they got a 'discount' was because Coutinho paid a chunk of the transfer fee himself - c£12m or thereabouts?

Now what other bit of made up garbage can you find to beat the owners with?

When you stick to football, I like and agree with your posts.

When it comes to the owners you come across as the most bitter, small person I have ever known!

24.) 09 Jan 2018 12:59:54
He's there saying it, if he's lying why have Liverpool not come out and said so, ballagaume (spelling) said Barcelona are willing to go upto 180 million euros for him, I suppose he's lying as well. All these people telling lies yet we say nothing, were taking the moral high ground I assume.

25.) 10 Jan 2018 00:00:53
Waro, using Balague as backup to your argument is like using a tissue as a teacup. He sounds confident but knows not a lot. You're just believing what you want to believe.

Think logically for one minute, if you can. If Barcelona were willing to pay 180 million euros, for example, what earthly reason would Liverpool have to voluntarily tell them not to worry about paying that much? It's not change form a pizza is it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can remember Liverpool didn't even set a price in the summer. How can they offer a discount on a price that didn't exist?

Do you sit there listening to CB radios wearing hats made of foil?

Seriously, if you shift your focus to more sensible things you might actually be able to enjoy your football again.



07 Jan 2018 20:58:24
I'll enlighten you no problem MK. We tell him he's going nowhere until it suits the club tell him and Barcelona the deal will be done when a suitable replacement is identified and found agree all the details tell him sometimes you can't always get what you want you get what you need and he can leave in the summer. No this deal was sorted months ago by these owners, all the bluster of not for sale was nonsense and I always knew it.

The reason he's gone now is because Barcelona new we wanted to sell so told our small owners "if it doesn't happen now it won't happen at all". They turned green sh#t a brick and caved, why? because of van dijk and keita, because that's not money there prepared to pay unless there is more than that coming in. So what I've said we should of done at the top of the page couldn't be done because we were more desperate for the transfer to happen than Barcelona.

From the FSG handbook.

Step 1. We have to raise ticket prices to be able to compete.

Step 2. We are freezing ticket prices for the 3RD YEAR RUNNING.

Step 3. We tried to convince the player to stay but have to respect his wishes/ dream to play for Barcelona and reluctantly agree to his sale.

"If you throw the seals enough fish they will continue to jump through hoops for you".


1.) 07 Jan 2018 21:03:38
What on earth are you talking about?

2.) 07 Jan 2018 21:46:50
So to summarize, this is just another in a LONG line of mindless anti-FSG rant that have no basis in reality, right? Got it.

3.) 07 Jan 2018 22:26:01
So embarrassing Waro. You have a warped view on most things.

4.) 07 Jan 2018 22:33:12
Is there a tin foil shortage at the local shop Waro?

5.) 07 Jan 2018 22:41:24
What do you think I'm on about firmane? Why don't you RTP and you might understand.

6.) 07 Jan 2018 22:50:12
Firmane, he tried to tell us all the other day that Liverpool's owners are only interested in money because they let Coutinho go, and i asked him to tell what he would've done to keep a player who was faking injuries.

Waro, it seems I'm swimming against the tide. Since buying the club they've broken our pre-FSG transfer record on a ridiculous amount of occasions. Suarez, Carroll, Lallana, Benteke, Firmino, Wijnaldum, Mane, Salah, Chamberlain, Keita and Van Dijk all cost more than our previous record deal for Fernando Torres.

It's an absolute joke that you continue to question their commitment to the club. Just that list above is nearly £400m of players on 11 players alone. How can you question them after that kind of spending? It's absolutely beyond me.

Ticket price increases? I really think fans are blowing this out of proportion. Welcome to inflation. Everything increases in price as time goes on. Wages go up, population goes up, demand goes up, prices go up. That's life.

7.) 07 Jan 2018 22:56:07
BRover, what you need to ask yourself is, why is there a long line of anti FSG posts? I quite like Americans so what else could it be? Hmm. 😏.

8.) 07 Jan 2018 23:58:37
Oh look waro is back now there’s something he can spin some hate around. Complete fraud and clearly not a genuine Liverpool fan.

9.) 07 Jan 2018 22:59:45
Usual waro bull.

10.) 07 Jan 2018 23:00:38
I know that Waro is a long time poster here at the site and the Eds respect him. He like all posters is entitled to his opinion. I know the owners have a lot of catching up to do with the fan engagement like ticket pricing and transparency but till now they haven't been that bad. They have made mistakes, they have learned from a few and haven't learned from a few.

But you cannot expect the owners to be altruistic, of course they would like to make profit at some point in time and would also want the club to be more self reliant but expecting them to pump in their own money is expecting a lot. I for one don't know about the expenses of running a club and the internal challenges faced by the owners so wouldn't comment on it but what I can see and understand they have done a decent job. They can and dare I say they will improve in the future but for now we have to wait and watch for what happens without being to judgemental.

11.) 07 Jan 2018 23:01:03
Keep taking the tablets and come back next week.
Or lay off the booze.

12.) 07 Jan 2018 23:20:02
He's usually on the Southampton Rumours website, calling
FSG fit to burn!

13.) 07 Jan 2018 23:57:34
Yes your right, I'm a loon who hates organisations for no reason whatsoever. I'd love to say what's on my mind but you'd never see it so I'd be wasting my time . Continue saying what you want about me when I can't defend myself. Southampton page? That's just a lie but what can ye do, some folk can continually post and some can't.

14.) 08 Jan 2018 00:00:34
MK, you speak about inflation re ticket prices, could inflation have anything to do with us breaking our transfer record over the past 7 years?
Anyone know our net spend since FSG arrived?

15.) 08 Jan 2018 01:12:57
Im not the biggest FSG fan myself but compared to what has come before they are angels, and money is probably the only area they cannot be criticised on. Are you not aware the club just broke the world record fee for a defender? Where the hell do you think the money came from? We sold coutinho because he wanted to leave, we have sold players before and have immediately reinvested the money. I feel sorry for you that you have this painfully warped perception of things.

16.) 08 Jan 2018 05:46:28
18and5 - I think FSG have now been the owners for about 7 years or so (correct me if I'm wrong) . They signed Carrol for our then record fee of 35M - our transfer record fee is now 75m. that's more than double. Way way way more than the rate of inflation over 7 years.

17.) 08 Jan 2018 06:37:10
I don’t know why people argue about this.
Does anyone really think FSG are interested in football? I think they openly admitted they were new to the sport when they took over. It’s a bit of a stretch to think they’re in it for the fans. To FSG we are customers.
Now FSG are businessmen and you don’t succeed by upsetting your customers. They also understand in sports ownership you make a lot more money if you have a successful team.
1) they want to make money out of us
2) they want the team to succeed
3) they’re not really football fans.

They’re owners, what do people expect? I can live with the 3 statements I’ve made because I realise there isn’t much alternative.
Cutting ticket prices would be nice, but people must realise the reality of FFP. If you drop income you drop your budget to spend on players. Similarly, if you don’t pay the big fees and wages you don’t attract your favourite players and you become less competitive. Less competitive = less marketable = less money coming in = a downward spiral.

What I’m saying is it is not simple to drop ticket prices. We don’t have to like the owners. They’re here to do make money. That’s ok, they need a successful team to really cash in. 🤝.

18.) 08 Jan 2018 14:30:46
so speaks the spirit of shankly eh waro.



19 Dec 2017 12:01:35
Brover and smeghead, I'm sure lovren is a lovely lad and is not playing badly on purpose, but stop it with this "sympathy for a human being" and "family problems" etc. This is purely about ability on a football pitch, it's his job. If he worked in a factory and kept making error after error, do you think his boss would say "its OK dejan you keep messing up you were a refugee", and I'm sure the man himself wouldn't want you making excuses for him like the ones you've said here, support him all you want but give footballing reasons why you support him not excuses.


1.) 21 Dec 2017 14:12:22
If he worked in a factory they'd sign him off work. I know they would because they did for me when i was struggling with mental health.

No offence Waro, but you seem to be under educated on mental health and how severe it is. The brain is the most important organ in the body and yet it is the only one which we refuse to acknowledge can have problems. It isn't your fault if you don't understand it, it just wasn't understood or even well documented until very recently. When i had depression and i had a violent outburst at my dad, he just kicked me out the house. That same week i came within 50 yards of a deliberate head on collision with an artic lorry. I needed support, not deriding. I climbed out of my hole, but many people don't.

Football and society has a major problem in this area. Aaron Lennon is one of the only players i can think of to go public and he got the help and time away he needed to come back when he was ready. The fact you would even dare to call it an "excuse" is bordering on abhorrent. That will offend a lot more people than just myself. Every feeling and emotion is a chemical reaction in the brain, and depression is caused by chemical imbalances.

You wouldn't be saying this if Lovren had cancer, yet mental health is just as damaging to a persons well being if not diagnosed, managed and treated. Two people i know have committed suicide in the last two years of my life. One a middle aged man, and another a young girl. It strikes anyone at any time. I don't know if Lovren is in that place (and i really hope not), but we as supporters should feel morally obliged to support him through his troubles.

"But he earns £100k a week" is irrelevant. Robin Williams was a millionaire Hollywood actor and his cash didn't help him either. When you are ill, you are ill. You don't get to just force yourself to feel better when you have a visible illness, and the invisible illnesses in the brain are no different.

I get your point that we are not a charity and we shouldn't just accept his form. However right now, we are so lacking in options that we can't afford to sign him off for 6 months to recover. He is doing us a favour playing through his problems and we should respect that if nothing else. He has nothing to gain from it. We'd have to pay him regardless because he is under contract. Sympathy is very different to acceptance. I accept his performances aren't good enough, but i also have enough respect for a fellow human being not to actively try and compound the mental difficulties he is having.

I hope i haven't offended you because this is a subject i am vehemently passionate about, and i am only seeking to educate others on the difficulties that surround the brain, it's health, and the impact it can have on us and others. Lovren has been through a lot as a child, and being burgled at gun point will have had a huge impact on the regression of his mental state. You have every right as a paying supporter to want him taken out of the team whilst he recovers, but until we sign another centre back, we should all just respect that Lovren is putting in 100% on the pitch whilst battling demons none of us will ever fully understand. Maybe he wouldn't get support in every industry. However, football is one industry which has the financial resources to fully support this major health problem, and it is also in a relative position of power due to it's position as a major role model in society. It could make a difference.

Again, i really hope nobody is offended by this. I know it isn't strictly Liverpool related Eds, but i think this is a really important subject that is being brushed under the carpet by people not taking it seriously, particularly in sport. I hope it's acceptable for these pages, but I'll understand if not.

2.) 21 Dec 2017 15:57:05
Touching waro.
If he worked in a factory and had personal issues that effected his performance he would be given a long period of absence to sort it out, as he’s a footballer he’s forced to work in front to 50k people each week who are judging every moment then slag him off and send him death threats on social media immediately after. Little wonder he’s struggling really.

3.) 21 Dec 2017 17:12:26
Waro you are the one who brought money into the conversation, please tell me how money is a factor on the pitch? You want footballing reasons? How about in the last 2 1/ 2 seasons Lovren has had 3 errors that have led to goals, by comparison John Stones has had 6 over the same period. Lovren always gives 100% in a Liverpool shirt, he may mistakes but he’s not as bad as people make out and he certainly isn’t uncoachable.

4.) 21 Dec 2017 18:22:01
Can’t believe the number of thumbs down to that post. Maybe because Waro was a bit blunt about it perhaps but he is bang on. He may be having a rough time of it in his personal life, but it has very little to do with some of the howlers he has committed.

He has been carrying an injury however, which could be partially to blame, but most of his errors are down to bad decision making, simple as.

5.) 21 Dec 2017 18:29:16
Everyone is different though Waro some can switch off and focus on football as a release but if some of the stories are true about fearing the kidnapp of his kids and multi million pound ransoms by a known gangster then you can’t really blame him for his head being in the right place at times.
Agree that his performances haven’t been consistently good enough and you can’t ignore it completely just because of personal issues but if we had done what we should have in the summer and got another CB in then we could have taken him out the firing line at times.

6.) 21 Dec 2017 19:14:52
the thing is waro, when we love a football team we love the players too. if Lallana were in a car crash and in hospital I would be worried for him and his family, I wouldn't just be upset that he couldn't play. dejan has been playing better recently and klavan looks a different player. I really feel we are going to buy vvd in January. I don't think we can win this league with the cbs we have.



14 Dec 2017 07:24:33
Last night started with klopps press conference before the Derby, he played right into the media's hands when they pushed him about Henderson not playing in the spartak game.

Instead of pouring water on that line of questioning he got prickly about it and told everyone that Henderson would be playing on the Sunday, I feel this influenced his team decision (if I can drop the captain, look I can drop these two as well! ) he was played by the media which subsequently led to the furore of his team selection before and after the game.

Then came the result on Sunday which created all the wrong headlines and unnecessary pressure leading into last night's game, pressure on klopp translates to the players which gives you last night's result and performance. Let's hope klopp has learned from this and is more guarded in the future.


1.) 14 Dec 2017 08:53:58
Or maybe he knows that there is a busy Christmas period coming up and knows he can't play the same 11 in every game and rested a few players accordingly? Seems logical to me!

2.) 14 Dec 2017 08:59:32
He doesn't seem to be handling the pressure very well at the minute all this "you blame me" and "this is my life" stuff. It's like someone's held a gun to his head and forced him to take the job. He does put too much pressure on himself with his comments "if I'm here 4 years we will win at least one title". That's looking a long way off at the minute.

3.) 14 Dec 2017 09:05:22
You are wavering Ron! Have you lost your mojo? Its not like you to be so down beat!

4.) 14 Dec 2017 09:33:54
I agree. Recently the pressure looks like it's getting to Klopp, he seems far more uptight and agitated.

5.) 14 Dec 2017 10:47:16
Can you blame him seriously? He rotated and won 3 4 games nothing said. Yet minute players throw game they should have win away everyone suddenly saying oh it's rotation! They gave him grief for taking Salah off as precaution of his best player coming into busy period and having slight injury. Yet in disbelief am reading today he's getting a hard time for leaving Salah on last night as he looked tired! I honestly am at a loss.

6.) 14 Dec 2017 11:05:33
I agree Coco. It’s absolutely ridiculous. He rested players against Chelsea and Everton and but for a freak goal and a woeful refereeing decision not to mention Mane and Salah missing sitters we would’ve won both games! How can that be down to rotation? Then he plays the Fab 4 last night and we don’t score so he should’ve changed it! If I was him I’d seriously be thinking of Bayern at the end of the season because he just can’t do right for doing wrong with some of our idiot fans.

7.) 14 Dec 2017 11:20:03
Chucking away the HOME derby, like I believe he did, is obe of the worst errors a manager can do in my eyes. Going to take a while for me to get over that.

8.) 14 Dec 2017 11:56:16
Waro, you are making 2 and 2 out to be 5, IMO. He saying Hendo would play vs Everton has nothing to do with the media playing him. The fact that some of our own fans hate the captain. is what should outrage you. It was these fans that started this farce about the captain not playing, means he is crap.

Pep does not play Kompany due to his injuries BUT no one says a thing cos well, it is not relevant as he is managing his fitness and so is Kopp with Hendo. But it's an issue cos well, it's Hendo. It is the pathetic media narrative that the captain. must play when fit that is the issue and you are falling for it. He defended his captain and Hendo played well IMO vs Everton. Coaches defend players and captains all the time so what changed? Cos Klopp did it? Nothing to see there and we move on, IMO.

9.) 14 Dec 2017 11:57:32
Don't know where you have read people criticising him about salah last night ings, I've not seen that!

You're being a little blinkered here, klopp got it wrong v Chelsea as well by the way, there's nothing wrong with squad rotation but not in massive games, he plays the same team as the previous weds on the Sunday and imo were 3 up at half time against Everton because they didn't defend particularly well, take your two players off there at half time when the game is won, ditto the Spartak game.

I love klopp and hope he's hear for many years, but he's been a smart arse a few times this season and his interview after the Derby showed he knew himself he'd got his selections wrong, we've had worse decisions go against us than that since he took the job and was always pragmatic with his interviews, but his reaction suggested he knew he'd messed up and his subsequent apology at the end of the interview showed he knew he'd lost control. Saying he should go to bayern is a similar dummy spitting reaction and shows a lack of class.

10.) 14 Dec 2017 12:07:23
Ron, if we as fans are frustrated as heck over the past two games (where we did not lose, btw) why would you think the manager won't be? All managers are like that as it was the fine margins that did not get us two wins i both games and we all are livid. Klopp is emotional and lives games w/ his players and the fans which is why majority of us love him. He sees the players everyday and how much they try so he is not only frustrated for them. He is for he rest of us as well. Pressure is secondary as it is part of the job.

Wenger and Mou for ex., do not hide their frustration very well at times esp. Wenger who just starts insulting the journalists and calls them all types of names. Pressure is everywhere in the PL and there is nothing wrong with Klopp getting frustrated cos well, all managers are COS of the pressure. You're losing your mojo mate. I feed off your optimism here.

11.) 14 Dec 2017 12:57:19
I thought Klopp understood the fans but the derby error shows I was mistaken. If you don't pick your strongest team in the Merseyside Derby then you'd better hope you win otherwise you've upset the fans for the season.

That's my take on it, happy to accept if I'm on my own with it though.

12.) 14 Dec 2017 13:53:59
First off, the Chelsea game; Klopp got it bang on, which is why we were beating the reigning champions with 5 minutes to go before Mignolet made the worst goal keeping error I've seen this season. Klopp's only mistake is continuing to pick Mignolet which he only does because fans bullied Karius out of the team. The rotation worked perfectly and our freshness saw us outplay Chelsea comfortably.

Onto the Everton game, Klopp picked the best team he had available. Klavan played because Matip was injured, Robertson played because Moreno was injured, Chamberlain played because Coutinho was ill, and Solanke played because Firmino was suffering from fatigue. No surprise considering he has been involved in every game except the League Cup this season, and had to be subbed vs Spartak because he looked shattered. Henderson is captain and first choice, like it or lump it. Klopp made that clear in his interviews. Can, despite his support on here, is nowhere near as good as Henderson. He is positionally inept, over plays it, and at times you can tell he wants to leave. Milner played but I'd assume that was because Gini has been terrible this season and Lallana is still injured. Some may prefer Can, but Milner had just come off the back of 3 assists against Spartak, and he presses the ball better than Can does. I expect Lallana would've been in the team instead if fit. Klopp picked the best team he had available for the derby and but for some bad decisions by both our forwards and the referee, we'd have won.

Klopp's only error in all of this is not signing a centre back in the summer, and refusing to drop Mignolet. People are literally making up reasons to moan though, instead of focusing on the actual problems at hand. If the rotation is so bad, why are we unbeaten in 11 games since we started doing it? That is the longest unbeaten run of any other English side right now, as Man City lost in the Champions League a week ago.

Why is the glass half empty for so many on here? We're joint 4th and we're playing in the last 16 in Europe for the first time since 08/ 09. Some people will never be happy. Ron, what has happened to you? 😭 you're usually so upbeat. A draw is still a point gained and it keeps the tally ticking over even when we're in bad form. Keep calm and carry on.

13.) 14 Dec 2017 14:43:18
To me Can os a overall better cm than Hendo is, i have nothing against Henderson, and i love his mentality/ workrate but Can has better pace on the ball, better shooter, much more physical and i also believe he is going to get better, while Hendo is clearly not getting any better.

14.) 14 Dec 2017 15:28:39
Not sure why your bringing another player and another team into it Brover? People have there opinion on players and I've learned to accept that over the years whether I agree with them or not. I believe klopp handled the pre derby press conference poorly, it has nothing to do with what game Henderson played in or not, there is a time for rotation and Chelsea and Sunday were not the correct times to do it, Sunday in particular because the furore it caused had a knock on effect to last night imo, and that's all it is, my opinion and I'm not trying to pass it off as fact and I'm not calling people idiots the way another poster just has, the only positive is that there are plenty of opportunities to put this right and hopefully we do. You need to learn from your mistakes, again hopefully we do.

15.) 14 Dec 2017 15:47:12
MK your really think klopp took karius out of the team because of fan pressure, your insinuating that the fans pick the team? Wow, that's a bigger insult to klopp than anything I've read on here. Karius was taken out of the limelight for his own sake as he was rivaling mignolet for incompetence, which looks to be a decent decision as he seems to have improved being eased back into the team. I'd say that with a full strength team we would have won that day, but that's just conjecture.

Were are you getting this information from about the team picked for the Derby? Because everything you have just said about firmino fatigued couthiho illness? I saw none of this mentioned before the game and seems a convenient excuse after it, just like the salah niggle hence the substitution when he had Martina on toast all game yet still played against West brom, coutinho didn't look to Ill in the tunnel after the game were he was kicking a door in frustration at the result, and your view on Can and Henderson is bordering on pontificating, you seem to be passing your opinion off as fact.

By the way MK, you can remain unbeaten all season and be relegated so unbeaten in eleven means very little, klopp has many positives and is the right man for the job and will get it right, but he like everyone else in life makes mistakes, it's how you react to mistakes that make you a top manager and I'm sure he will react in the correct manner.

16.) 14 Dec 2017 16:10:24

Karius was taken out an year ago and you still think he is not ready to face the light? Lol! How about Can ( he has been on the receiving end of abuses form a long time and still keeps his place ) . Karius was taken our coz he was crap in the beginning! If the manager picks a team baased on couple of Facebook post then dear o dear!

{Ed001's Note - he was not crap unlike your support of our team.}

17.) 14 Dec 2017 16:40:16
Why is the glass currently half empty?
We've just drawn the Anfield derby against a team in absolute turmoil whilst we came off a 7-0 win.
If that wasn't disappointing enough we threw it away by playing a weakened team. Seriously? A weakened team in the derby? Never would have happened in the past.
So people come out and say well he's done that to keep the players fresh. Then we watch one of the most stale abject performances at home against a team which hasn't won for 16 matches and fail to score against them.
We're out of the league cup. We're miles behind in the league. So we're looking at FA cup or champions league win. FA cup we play Everton (hmmm not quite as confident now) and champions league needs a huge slice of luck to win.

18.) 14 Dec 2017 16:51:25
Can't believe people are comparing Klopp with Pep.
Pep's team are 18 points ahead of us after 17 games and thrashed us in the league.
Pep's team has just set a new record of 15 wins in a row.
They are top scorers in the league and have a monster goal difference. They are accelerating away from us.
They are in 4 tournaments still.

If Pep wants to drop Kompany, he has a lot of credit in the bank before anyone can criticise him.

He has also just won a derby, away from home 🤔.

19.) 14 Dec 2017 18:35:49
Ron Keague welcome to th real world. Hopefully some of the others will join it soon.

20.) 14 Dec 2017 19:48:50
Sorry fellas but for me Klopp’s error came at 3 and 4 nil v Spartak when instead of resting 2 out of Coutinho, Bobby or Mane ready for the Derby he took off Lovren? Fat lot of good that did as resting him made not a jot of difference to his concentration.
Then he got suckered into the “only play home grown in the Derby” BS and it cost us. You are not telling me that Bobby and Coutinho can’t take care of themselves in a Merseyside Derby against a pitiful Everton side that didn’t lay a glove on us in the first half.
It should have been the team that started last night get 3-0 up and then rest players for Tuesday. Last night would have suited UK players better as it was a physical game, Solanke and Ox contributions showed that. Can and Gini were awful and the pace of our play was dreadful.
We now need a winning Christmas period or we will be way off 2nd and 3rd by mid Jan.
Will be intrigued to see who starts in the FA Cup now.

21.) 14 Dec 2017 21:39:17
Spot on, MK. Sono, Firmino is suffering from fatigue as he an Salah play all the games. Cou had a knock after the Spartak game and had not trained since that Wed before the derby while Moreno was injured. With this in mind, how on earth could Klopp had played his first team vs Everton?

You guys seem to forget that lack of rotation cost us in Dec. -Feb of last season and Klopp is trying to change that and avoid this happening BUT all goes to crap suddenly cos we did not win a derby vs Everton where we were should have won handily with the team he fielded considering the injuries on the table. Yet all the points we had picked up prior (!4 out of 18) came from the same rotation policy.
As for WBA, we played our best team YET we were not good enough as we were disjointed in attack so again, cos you play your full team does not mean you will win. Let the manager do his job cos footie is not an exact science.

22.) 14 Dec 2017 21:45:57
Ron, everyone is miles behind City so not too bothered about that. Our boys were not good enough vs WBA and no one is defending that either. If you wanna compare us to City, good luck with that as you will be disapointed everyday as they are on another Solar System compared to EVERYONE else in the PL and not just us.

Our only issue is that people should stop blaming the rotation cos Klopp told us before hand that he would do that and by and large, it has worked (18 points from 24) and tho it is frustrating to not win games you should, that does not mean the rotation does not work. You cannot say that a system is great when it is working and then turn on it cos you did not win a game or two. IMO, that makes no sense.

If it was not and we had no success then I would agree. I don't as the nos, show it is working and not winning a derby or fluffing our line vs WBA, does not change any of these facts. God bless, my friend.

23.) 14 Dec 2017 23:17:14
Welcome to the real world Ron, A place where you are certain to receive stick from posters lol! I can’t belive people are crediting Pep now!

24.) 15 Dec 2017 00:03:18
For me there is "rotation" which Rafa used to do - changed his line-up 99 matches in a row- and then there is 6 changes for a derby match from a team which won 7-0.
One was expected - Karius, one was enforced - Moreno, but that still leave 4 changes out of 9 positions. That's excessive, unnecessary and ultimately counter-productive.

We fell apart last season because we lost our best player - Mane - who was the player with pace to unlock defences.

25.) 15 Dec 2017 09:04:26
Waro, no one called you names or anything like that, mate and nowhere in mky post did I project your opinion as fact. You gave your opinion, I disagreed with it and that is all. You are free to give your opinion as I am free to critique it. You say Klopp should have picked this or that player for this or that game. Neither you nor I can say that in any way possible w/ o having the info Klopp has about the players' fitness levels during the busy period.

Klopp said he is rotating and has been rotating for weeks now and we have been globally successful at it as one fluke goal and one dodgy penalty does not change the fact that we have taken more points since the Spurs debacle than any other PL team bar City. If you thought he would not rotate then that is you did that on your own as he told us all he would during this period.

You say he should play his best lineup in the derby and we should have won. Well, we were close to winning the derby w/ o our best 11 than we were vs WBA with our first 11. See how that is? Footie is not an exact science. Before the the derby, Cou had a knock (had not trained since the Spartak game) Moreno was injured and Bobbie is suffering form fatigue so with that in mind, there was NO WAY on earth Klopp would play his best team. The team he put out where one dodgy pen/ a second goal away from winning the derby so I don't see this innuendo you keep referring to as all I have posted are facts.

26.) 15 Dec 2017 10:21:48
I have a question BRover:

If Firmino is "suffering from fatigue" why did he play 72 minutes against Spartak Moscow when we were 5-0 up after 50 minutes in a game we needed to draw?
In addition, if he's too fatigued to start against Everton, why bring him on when Everton score when he's likely to over commit, and why start him against West Brom at home - a team that hasn't won for 16 matches in a row.

There's no logic to these decisions.

27.) 15 Dec 2017 22:53:16
Ron, those are the questions that you address to the manager as he is with the players and the preparation team and he has all the info on their fitness levels and how long they can play for if they are having fitness issues. You don't have that info and neither do I so asking such questions is pointless as I am not the manager. I do understand that you cannot draw conclusions based on information you do NOT have. All you can do is speculate which in the end, is not fact. Now that, is logical.




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19 May 2017 14:17:52
Got a text late last night about VVD, don't shoot the messenger, but apparently the club are happy to say nothing about the link to him but have zero interest in the player, there looking at it helping them muddy the waters about other transfer targets, I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist.




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17 May 2017 18:34:02
I've messaged him today about any info on VVD, but had no reply as of yet, if he knows anything I'll post it.




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17 May 2017 11:32:26
Thought I'd pass it on as I don't normally get transfer target info from him, just team news and injuries, I'm not sure about it to be honest as were overloaded with midfielders I thought it'd be a defender he'd be telling me about, but time will tell.




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01 Aug 2016 16:21:36
Cheers ed023 and MK. Just can't be bothered having to defend myself when I'm simply passing on what I've heard.

No you don't have to expect criticism at all wayne, there's nothing in my post controversial or criticising anyone or anything so you can just hit disagree and move on, it's people who can't wait to shout down what your saying but when your proved correct never come back and say "fair play, that bit of info was correct"! They'll just wait for the next time you post anything to hit you with the same replys, I could have just ignored it but it just comes across as jealousy for some strange reason ( that they don't like the fact that you no people at the club) I was a steward on the paddock annie Rd and the tunnel for several years in the nineties so this may help you understand were I get some info from, obviously unless I'm lying about that also.

Don't worry annie I won't be putting the teams up, I pretty much (with the odd exception) packed that in midway through last season and I'll be sticking to that this season.




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01 Aug 2016 14:23:16
Wavy, I was reluctant as I've explained but having seen the amount of posts asking the eds about left backs I thought I'd tell people what I heard even though it was last week because I thought it would have been reported by now that we're going with milner at left back, but it hasn't been reported via the media as sid has said, I don't go on social media so if it's been on there then fair enough you will consider it old news but I'm not on twitter or Facebook so I wouldn't have seen it, but by the amount of posts on hear asking about amavi and hector etc suggested to me it hasn't, but I stand corrected if it has, I was just trying to put people in the picture because they keep asking the question.

Anything I get told from now on I'll keep away from this site because I can't be arsed responding to people who don't believe anything that doesn't come from the eds. So feel free to respond anyway you like, some of the older posters will tell you that some of the info I've posted the past has been relatively accurate.

I posted last season that sturridge was injured in training before spurs away, it wasn't on any media site and I received similar responses and worse as these replys today and I swore I wouldn't bother again, I should have stuck to what I said then and I definitely will from now on.


{Ed023's Note - Waro, you will always have keyboard warriors who will spout negativity towards anyone supplying info. It is hard but just ignore them, your knowledge is very valuable to this page so keep posting}




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05 Mar 2018 18:39:36
Nuckledragger, I've been a season ticket holder since 1983 and going the game since 1981, not sure why this is relevant to my post but there you go. My point is, we now have a certain band of supporters who are delighted to be a regular champions league team and I think this is a small team mentality. Look what's happening at arsenal at the minute, being satisfied with a top four finish and having hundreds of million in the bank are great for only one set of people FSG.




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04 Mar 2018 22:21:37
Barry you've just displayed a certain type of Liverpool supporters mindset and it's alarming, but not unexpected.




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03 Mar 2018 11:11:38
Predictive text unfortunately stone age and I didn't read through my post before hitting the send button, but if that's your only retort to my post it shows you have nothing to counter my points.

You're all getting excited about maybe getting to where Arsenal have been for the last 15 years regularly top four win the odd F.A. Cup and have lots of money in the bank. They have got away with that business model for maybe 6 or 7 longer than they should of and its finally caught up with them, and you all aspire to that? I've probably been spoilt by the success I've witnessed but for me it's about being the very best and that will never happen under these owners.




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03 Mar 2018 08:36:22
Planet reality? There's none so blind as those who can't see. You've bought into propaganda mate and are far too patriotic to give a realistic opinion.




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02 Mar 2018 16:36:26
Harry Kewell.